Living Lucky® Podcast with Jason and Jana Banana

Mind Over Mess

• Jana and Jason Shelfer • Season 6 • Episode 26

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Feeling overwhelmed by clutter?  Ditch the chaos and unlock your potential!
Join us, Jana and Jason, on our latest Living Lucky® Podcast episode as we delve into the life-changing power of decluttering, both physically and digitally.

In this candid and captivating conversation, we peel back the layers of clutter, exposing its sneaky ways of infiltrating our mental peace and sabotaging our productivity. From Jana's quest for Zen-like simplicity to Jason's battle with paper hoarding, we lay bare the push-pull dynamics of our unique partnership and how we've transformed our spaces into oases of productivity.

But it doesn't stop there. We dive headfirst into the digital realm, unveiling the hidden power of digital decluttering. Discover how a well-organized digital landscape can pave the way for mindful exploration and unparalleled progress.

This episode isn't just about tidying up—it's about reclaiming control of your life. Learn actionable strategies to declutter both your physical and digital spaces, and unlock the profound impact of a clear mind on your journey toward clarity, focus, and purpose.

Uncover:

  • The surprising connection between a clean space and a clear mind
  • Practical tips to conquer your clutter challenges, from organizing your desk to taming your overflowing bookmark bar ️
  • Honest insights into our own struggles with clutter and how we're working together to create a more organized and peaceful environment (it's not always smooth sailing!)
  • **The deeper meaning behind clutter and how it can reflect our inner thoughts and emotions
  • Actionable strategies to transform your space and empower yourself to reach your full potential

Whether you're a self-proclaimed "paper hoarder" or a digital "bookmark bandit," this episode is packed with valuable insights and practical advice to help you clear the clutter and create a life you love!

Listen now and:

  • Declutter your way to a calmer mind and a more productive you!
  • Discover the joy of a clean and organized space! ✨
  • Learn how to break free from the hold clutter has on your life!

Ready to join us on the path to living lucky? Tune in today!

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*Previously Recorded

Jana Shelfer:

Are you ready to create a life you crave? Let's spin that doom loop of negativity into an upward success cycle and start living lucky Good morning I'm. Jana.

Jana Shelfer:

And this is my husband, Jason, and we are living lucky. I know you are too, because you are here with us and we are talking about organizing our mind today.

Jason Shelfer:

Oh man, I have a lot of trouble with this sometimes.

Jana Shelfer:

Here's the thing, as I literally cannot function in life if my mind is cluttered, and it also goes the other way if my environment is cluttered. My mind is a reflection of that.

Jason Shelfer:

Oh, that's big. That reminds me back when we were Feng Shui'ing everything.

Jana Shelfer:

And this is where I feel like Jason and I work against each other, because I find myself constantly picking up and cleaning up after you. Now I know that my spaces need just as much cleaning. However, I find myself constantly picking up your you know, putting the peanuts away or picking up socks.

Jason Shelfer:

Socks and shoes.

Jana Shelfer:

Socks and shoes I pick up at least once a day if not twice a day.

Jason Shelfer:

I love paper, moving papers, paper and books. I love paper and books. Jason Perrin sell everything.

Jana Shelfer:

He hasn't. He hasn't quite made the leap to looking at things on the computer.

Jason Shelfer:

That whole digital thing just makes me crazy. When am I gonna run out of space on my computer?

Jana Shelfer:

When you're gonna run out of space on your desk.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah.

Jana Shelfer:

Because many times we share a desk, we're constantly moving to different work spaces and it feels to me like I spend the first hour cleaning up the space. You know what's funny is so that I can think straight.

Jason Shelfer:

I know that it's it. There's something in me that's a lack mentality about information and about books and paper. You hoard it, I do, and and the thing is.

Jana Shelfer:

I'll never go back to it.

Jason Shelfer:

I don't go back to it. I print it out and I read it. I might read it twice, but then I keep it close, in case I need it. And then six months later it's like okay, pass, put it in the shredder.

Jana Shelfer:

Why is that?

Jason Shelfer:

I don't, I don't know.

Jana Shelfer:

Do you not trust yourself to retain it?

Jason Shelfer:

Maybe that's it. It's. There's a, but there's something in me that I'm I'm constantly battling with about having it, having it available, having it close, and that it's. It's a sickness, like it's. It's something that I see all the time and I know where things are if I want to go back to them is.

Jana Shelfer:

Is we will. I mean, I feel like sometimes a harping wife because I'll say, jason, we have to clean the space. I can't think, and I know you can't either, and you think you can. That's the thing is. You think you can, you think you thrive like that.

Jason Shelfer:

I don't know that I thrive like that, but I do know that I feel like I can stay focused because I it's not about staying focused, it's about becoming optimal. I know Wow, hitting hard.

Jana Shelfer:

Not that I'm harping, I know you're not harping it's it's.

Jason Shelfer:

it's hitting truth, it's hitting those truth buttons in me about and also it's hitting those things that I know that I want to improve but I don't put the work into improve.

Jana Shelfer:

Here's where Jason and I we almost work against each other Be, but we're trying to help each other. It is the gift of the magi. It goes back to the gift of the magi because Jason will hop up and cook and and he makes our meals a lot of times and If it wasn't for Jason, I wouldn't eat you would overeat now here's. The thing is that Jason many times will cook it, but he leaves all sorts of Crumbs cooking chaos, pepper and things out on the counter and dishes.

Jana Shelfer:

I do dishes at least twice a day, at least twice a day. So it's almost like I'm cleaning constantly and he feels like he's cooking constantly. However, if I didn't have Jason, I wouldn't eat, and if he didn't have me, I wouldn't have dishes he wouldn't, you Wouldn't. I know you would be living it. You wouldn't know where, anything ever.

Jason Shelfer:

See, that's your perception, that I wouldn't know where it is. I would know where it is, it's because it's out and I see it.

Jana Shelfer:

But you would spend time having. You couldn't just go in and make a quick meal, right, because you would have to be Cleaning up clean, and then I'd have to clean the dishes that I need for the moment and then do it.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, it would be a chaos. I know this. When you went to Costa Rica for two weeks, I felt like the hymns were coming out of everything. Yes, I Was like how do I get Mary maids in here a couple days in a row before Jana gets back, because I can't let her know that this is what happened you know, I used to have Mary maids come to my dorm room in college and everyone thought that that was ridiculous.

Jana Shelfer:

They're like you live in a six by six foot space and I was like I know, but I want someone to come in and vacuum and Really clean, clean, clean. I like to have things nice and clean. It makes me feel like I am organized, and I've been watching these. You know I'm trying to learn to trade in the stock market and many of the Videos that I've been watching, one in particular started out. Clean mind or clean space equals a clean mind.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, you said that, so so long it's energy. It is energy.

Jana Shelfer:

It is energy and it reflects both ways. So if I have a clean mind, I usually have a clean space and if I have a clean space, I usually have a clear mind.

Jason Shelfer:

It's almost like I imagine a river, because I'm very visual and the rocks in the river are the clutter and that causes all this commotion. Yeah, excitement maybe, but it's not fluid excitement, it's kind of it's chaotic excitement, like where you would write whitewater raft over it. But if we can, if I can, clean the space and keep it that way, then I have a nice smooth flowing river.

Jana Shelfer:

In fact, I feel that our house says a lot about the different areas of our life. So if you, for me, I think of my art room as creativity, creativity, and right now, if you go into my art room, I have so many unfinished projects, unfinished projects. And I also go in there and I see all of these great ideas that I started and then I feel stuck almost because there's so many of them. So I go in there and I almost get overwhelmed because I'm like I don't know which route to pick, I don't know which one to work on. So it's funny how that space reflects where I'm at right now creatively.

Jason Shelfer:

Creatively.

Jana Shelfer:

I stumbled, I even stumbled on the work See how that works.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, all those letters jumbled up in there.

Jana Shelfer:

And then I go through other areas of my life where it feels like wow, this is really organized Like this. I've got it going on here.

Jason Shelfer:

Is that weird? Your piano is very organized. You've got your music sheets right in one place, you've got your keys right there. It's very clean and nothing impeding you.

Jana Shelfer:

Yeah, and I would think of music as harmony in my life, so I do feel very harmonious. You got the kitchen I almost stumbled on that word too, but I thought I was in my head. Harmonious.

Jason Shelfer:

The kitchen is like health right.

Jana Shelfer:

Yeah, the kitchen is health, and if you go into our pantry, our pantry is very organized and in fact, our refrigerator is really, really spotless. Thank you, you're welcome. You're welcome. And here's the thing is Jason will go to the grocery store, come home and unload things and then I will go in and I will rearrange so that they go in, because I feel like the drawers.

Jason Shelfer:

It's like the Brady Bunch Got to rearrange.

Jana Shelfer:

Because the drawers have little words on them. I don't know if you've ever noticed that.

Jason Shelfer:

Like that word, compost at the bottom drawer where the vegetables go to die and melt.

Jana Shelfer:

Because we forget they're there, but I know that's where the vegetables are, yeah.

Jason Shelfer:

It's so far down for me.

Jana Shelfer:

Is that it?

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, that's where. That's like my bottom desk drawer.

Jana Shelfer:

Like what's in there.

Jason Shelfer:

That's the stuff that I don't know what to do with, and it just hides in there until I go to clean it out one day, and then most of it goes in the garbage anyway have you ever gone to go like open one of those drawers and you pick something and you go wow, I forgot that this was even here.

Jana Shelfer:

And then you pick it up and there's juice underneath, it's melted all over you Because that happened with the brussel sprouts.

Jason Shelfer:

Oh, that smells great.

Jana Shelfer:

I went to pick those up. The other day I was literally cleaning the refrigerator, getting all of the crumbs and everything out from the drawers, and when I picked up the brussel sprouts I was like, oh, these are little juicy.

Jason Shelfer:

They've already smoothied themselves. Yeah, that's not good. I would love the refrigerator that has the drawers that actually kind of self move themselves up on occasion, like every day. The drawers start moving. So you always have to check the drawers, like, okay, where's the drawer today? And now I never have those vegetables in the bottom drawer that are just melting on.

Jana Shelfer:

Okay now listen to what you're even saying. Listen to what you're saying. You're trying to confuse yourself.

Jason Shelfer:

I know. Well, it would be better because I don't look in the bottom drawer. I don't know why that is for me.

Jana Shelfer:

Would you want that with your bookshelf?

Jason Shelfer:

No, I need all those books where I have them in a spot spot, would you?

Jana Shelfer:

want that with your desk paper piles. You know what? I'm just going to go in and rotate them and move them around.

Jana Shelfer:

It's like Janna has come in here and cleaned you get so angry when I do that.

Jason Shelfer:

Janna's come in here and cleaned and reorganized things and I knew where everything was.

Jana Shelfer:

So why would you want that with the refrigerator?

Jason Shelfer:

It's like you're purposely I think it's because I know how much vegetables cost and I'm like Every I when I put things down there because that's what's the label on the drawer and I'm like I totally forgot to keep going in there, like the salad and the Brussels sprouts and the cucumbers go quick.

Jana Shelfer:

We're talking about organizing our mind, we're talking about organizing our space and there is a connection there is.

Jason Shelfer:

That's me creating havoc for myself.

Jana Shelfer:

It's the same with you know even our weight. I hate to use this as an example because I don't want to go all over the place, but our weight is a reflection of our emotions and how we feel. And it's the same with the clutter in our space is a reflection of what we're thinking our thoughts.

Jason Shelfer:

We attract what we are. We attract, we create what we are and we in what we are, creates our surroundings.

Jana Shelfer:

Yes, I mean even with friends. You look at your friends and you start looking around. You go.

Jason Shelfer:

Look at all my chaotic Wow.

Jana Shelfer:

I might need to clean up my act here a little bit so that I can create and attract, not. I mean, I know we all have issues and what not, but it's so true, our we don't have issues where you're the issue. It starts from within. It starts from within, however, our external environment is a reflection.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes, god, that's so huge. I'm going to start, I'm going to be better and that's going to be. One of my intentions is about clean space a and just being having that. I would say it's easy train of thought like clear the tracks.

Jana Shelfer:

Clear the tracks and I also feel like I know for myself. I've been writing in my journal, I've been telling Jason I know he Sometimes is like can you just be my wife? I don't really feel like I need a client right now. I'm like I need a life coach. That's what I need. So I'm often telling him I don't feel like I know exactly which direction I'm going in. I don't feel it in my head. If everything feels a little foggy, everything feels a little cloudy, and so for me I, the way I'm taking control is I'm trying to change and really clean up my space because that helps me internally. But it goes both ways and I just learned I just had an aha moment that I really need to probably start from within.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah well, I see you kind of move, make all that progress and choose what you want. When you choose to clean, like you're like I'm on this and then I'm like, oh crap, I gotta clean because it's.

Jana Shelfer:

It's kind of feels weird to have you cleaning every like, taking care of me so much where, instead of working against each other, we could really help each other and I actually I'm visualizing this plan in my head right now, how this Works, much better than the way I've been participating.

Jason Shelfer:

It's almost like I've been pulling sideways on the tug of war rope, like it's not like I'm pulling against you, I've been pulling sideways, which which takes a lot of momentum out of our when we both want to go.

Jana Shelfer:

I see it's attaching the values. Okay, if we want to work on our business and really make progress that we need to keep Keep things clean and and clutter free and sometimes we just have to go back to the very basics, like when you buy a clean car.

Jason Shelfer:

like some I sometimes, when I buy a car, I'm like thank goodness it's nice and clean, it's so clean, I feel that way with a new phone or computer.

Jana Shelfer:

I'm like gosh and in fact I get angry when Jason the first couple times that Jason gets on there. I still get angry when Jason using my computer or anyone use my computer, because I'm like, no, you're saving a bunch of crap and you're putting it in places and then I have to go up and I have to clean it.

Jason Shelfer:

I got find it.

Jana Shelfer:

I have to clean it and then either get it off or put it in the right file yeah, and if I, if I'm just like Toodle and around and all of a sudden I see where this photo come from.

Jason Shelfer:

Has been taking pictures of their nose and teeth on my phone. Why is this website?

Jana Shelfer:

bookmarked. I have a system. I have a system.

Jason Shelfer:

We may go back to that bookmark one day.

Jana Shelfer:

Clean space, clean mind. Clean mind equals progress.

Jana Shelfer:

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