Ep. 45 - AI Taking Over Photoshop?

Is #artificialintelligence taking over #Photoshop? Artificial Intelligence, commonly called #AI, seems to be taking over everything in the digital world, and it's now infiltrated Photoshop as well.

In this week's episode of the Digital Wrap-Up, Riley has Harden Digital & Design Creative Director, Kaylee, on the show to talk about the recent update to Photoshop after videos have gone viral showing the new AI feature.

This feature can create backgrounds out of nothing. Add random objects into your photos and make it look like it was meant to be there. The possibilities of this new feature seem to be endless. But how well will it work right away? Are there any downsides to this new feature and AI in general? 

Tune in to find out!

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Transcript

Unknown: 0:06

Hi.

Riley Harden: 0:24

Welcome back to another episode of digital wrap up. My name is Riley and I'm the host and I'm the CEO of hardened digital InDesign. Excited to be here today for the main reason is that if you're watching on YouTube, youtube.com/at heart and digital, you'll see we've upgraded the the podcast studio. So made some updates to the equipment, we're using new mics, new audio board here. And then also, you'll see on the walls added a lot of soundproofing and new canvas prints. So really just wanted to upgrade the studio and make it a little more professional and what we're doing. And there's some reasons for that, and maybe I'll talk about that in another episode. But really, this episode is kind of a test. So if you're listening, that sounds like crap, sorry, but if it doesn't sound good, we won't run it. But yeah, just really wanting to get on and test the new equipment, test out the new look in the studio and see how everything works. And then if you'll see if you're watching Kaylee's joining me today. So Kaylee, the creative director here at heart and digital design. Welcome to the podcast.

Unknown: 1:35

Hey, thanks.

Riley Harden: 1:36

I know it's your favorite thing to do. But we were just testing it out before this. And we started talking about something that we're going to talk about on today's episode. And I was like, well, let's just go ahead and record. Neither of us are really prepared. I'm in shorts and a T shirt. My hair is not done, whatever. But it's a good topics. Good topic, singular. And just wanted to test it out and and go from there. So sorry for the very casual look on my part. But you get what you get. And so yeah, so let's go ahead and jump into today's episode and today's topic. And that's all about Photoshop. And the new feature that they just released or announced that least adding AI to what the Photoshop capabilities now I don't know the official name of what the new update is

Unknown: 2:36

called. But I don't even know if it's an official. Yeah, update. Yeah, from what I can tell. It's 5050.

Riley Harden: 2:43

Yeah, so it might not be publicly released yet. It might just be in testing at the time of this recording. But it's gotten a lot of attention on like Tiktok, and Instagram reels and things with the capabilities of AI and what it can do. So if you're not familiar with it, basically, there's this new feature in Photoshop that you can create a background around your image. And if the AI you just tell it what to do, essentially, and it fills in the background, there's a lot of possibilities with this new AI feature. And so we just wanted to jump on and get Kaylee's thoughts, you know, she's the creative one here. And so yeah, I guess first impressions after watching a couple you know, your professional now because he watched a couple of Tik Tok videos on it. But what are your first thoughts?

Unknown: 3:36

Um, my first thoughts would be that it's incredible. Like, you can't deny that making something out of nothing is not crazy. I've seen all the AI stuff over the past few years of like, people creating their own little avatars. And like, that's super cool, too. So it's just kind of an extension of that into I don't know if it's the first Adobe products that has done something like this. I don't use Photoshop. As often as a lot of people I'm sure so I haven't tried it. I don't even know if it's available to try. We haven't gotten that far. This was obviously not planned. So if it was planned, I maybe would have looked into it a little bit more, but I've just watched the videos and it's I don't even know how to explain. Yeah, I can't fathom like how it does that that doesn't compute in my head. But it you can add backgrounds, you can delete things, you can completely change stuff. And for years, it's happened like, oh, well this person was in my wedding photo and then they're not in the family anymore. Can you Photoshop them out? Yeah, that's been around forever, but that's a lot of work. Now you can just like circle that person and say Delete, see, and they're gone. So that is mind blowing that

Riley Harden: 4:59

Rest in peace all those family members that now get cropped out. Yeah, they're gonna be gone photos. Yeah.

Unknown: 5:05

Which. And it's not like it used to be if you did that they have always had this Content Aware feature where if you wanted to delete it would try to fill in based on what's around if you look close enough you could always tell and it was usually just like a solid color or like the texture would be if you could tell it was blurry. Yeah. So you'd have to spend a lot of time going in and trying to create the background. And now this feature just kind of, does it.

Riley Harden: 5:32

Yeah. The what I know that like the two examples, or two of the ones that really stick out in my mind that kind of went down a rabbit hole of watching Tic TOCs about this. But the one talking about adding to a background was there's a photographer who took a picture of a person in front of a like full wall bookcase. And they wanted to basically extend the dimensions of the photo. So it fit in whatever they were doing. Instead of just like a square or vertical photo, they really wanted to extend it. So they pasted the image on to a bigger wire or they basically extended the canvas and had some white around it and then told the AI feature to fill it in based on the background that's already there. And if it literally just extended the bookcase, like books, the shelves matched perfectly. It was like you would never know that the bookcase or that the image was actually cropped originally but it looks like the full original bookcase kind of blew my mind there. The other one which I don't know if this is real 100% Real or not. But I saw it. Where you basically start with a blank canvas, literally nothing you're not dropping a photo in the edit or extended like that previous example. But you literally had to like blank canvas and you told the AI feature to it. They said a lion or a tiger eating pizza. And it literally like photoshopped. Like, it just created it just created out of nothing. And it was like mind blowing. It looks like legitimately a tiger eating a piece of pizza.

Unknown: 7:12

It sounds if he Yeah, that kind of stuff. I'm sure tattoo artists would love that. For all the people that come in with like 20 ideas is type it in and be like, here you go son wants a tiger eating a pizza. Yeah, with feathers sticking out of its head like,

Riley Harden: 7:29

Yeah, and I've seen some other. There's some other AI like chat bots out there that are getting into creating images and things like one that I've played around with is night Cafe dot studio. Just like creating random designs, like I typed in podcast, and you can like pick different styles and things. And none of them have been like mind blowing by any means. But this one kind of seems to Trump at all, like it's really gonna be the next big thing.

Unknown: 8:03

And that's, to me, that's very, if it works like it says, Yeah, because there's a lot of things you can do. If you've been spending years learning how to do it, like, am I going to be able to just hop in Photoshop and it magically work like that? Probably not. I am doubtful. But

Riley Harden: 8:22

yeah, there, I think there's still going to be a level of expertise in navigating Photoshop that you're going to need. It's not just going to be like learning Canva from scratch, like pick it up in 30 seconds or anything, but it definitely opens the door for a lot of possibilities for people who are trained and know how to use Photoshop already, that are professional photographers that do a lot of editing and cropping and things like that. But one thing that kind of sprung to my mind is you work with a bunch of magazines and the cover photos. A lot of times like one example specifically is the holiday magazine you worked on this past year and there's stuff on the the mantel of the fireplace and they're like, can you just crop those out because it doesn't look clean? It doesn't really fit the cover. And like that's previously that's not you can't just like crop out all these ornaments and designs that are on an array and break. Yeah. And then you couldn't you can't like yes, you could probably delete those, like get those pieces out. But then the background that follows behind it looks it looks really bad, especially blown up high res on a magazine cover, you definitely know. But now I wonder if like that capability is going to be there.

Unknown: 9:47

It's possible. It also to me. Some of that is just laziness on the photographer's part like to me when I'm looking at taking photos If there's something wacky in the background, the ideal goal would be to get it out of the way. In advance. Yeah. So you don't have to do any of this. Or like if you know, you need a horizontal photo, don't take vertical photos. Because that was one of the videos I watched as it was a vertical photo of a lady at the beach. Did you send me that one? Yes. And they wanted to extend it to be horizontal instead, like, well, you should have just taken the horizontal photo. Yeah. Because yeah, you. If it doesn't matter, to you that that's not the exact beach scene, then it doesn't matter. But

Riley Harden: 10:36

yeah, and I almost wonder if like, they edited the TIC tock video, and they already had a horizontal photo and

Unknown: 10:44

like, yeah, you know, that's where it's to me. I'm like, I don't know, I have to try it. Because yeah,

Riley Harden: 10:49

there's still so many questions out there about, you know, with, obviously, the editing technology, and today, like we're talking about, there could be, you know, these people just creating crazy videos and hyping it up and then and not really be Yeah, so I don't even know if it's a real thing.

Unknown: 11:06

I haven't checked my Adobe is that I've

Riley Harden: 11:08

seen stuff from Adobe talking about it. But I haven't seen it. I haven't opened Photoshop or anything like that to try it myself. So

Unknown: 11:17

the idea behind it is a fantastic, it would be amazing to be able to do that. Like, I bought my Google Pixel. Because it had that eraser feature. Have I used it? No. Like besides to test for, but have I ever needed that? No. Yeah. Will I ever need to do this in Photoshop? Ideally?

Riley Harden: 11:38

No, not knowing some of your clients though? No, like,

Unknown: 11:41

if it's a lot of times we for magazines get submitted photos. Yeah. And you don't want this trash can in the background, or there's all kinds of stuff that I could have photoshopped out in the past that I just didn't, for sake of time. And also, it's kind of an integrity of the photo thing. Like, yeah. A lot of people get on photographers who over Edit. Because you can tell like, oh, yeah, people's eyes don't look like that. Yeah. So it's kind of

Riley Harden: 12:15

Yeah, I mean, there's the, the downside of big, like, saying something was photoshopped had a negative connotation. Yes, for a long time. I kind of I think it still does. Yeah, but I think there was like, for, I don't know how many years, but a few years ago, there was like, it was just way too over photoshopped. And I think people have stepped back from that. And like, you know, they realize that less is more now. But this could definitely be going back in that direction. Yeah,

Unknown: 12:49

and a lot of I think the photography world is very critical. Like, some photographers who don't edit anything, are already critical of like, newbie photographers, who then go in and use Lightroom, and just completely changed the integrity of the photo. So that's already an issue, then if you've got this, where you can just add whatever the heck you want to it. Is that, like, I don't know, I'm kind of iffy on it. If that's professional of like, you didn't have the right photo that you needed. So you just made something up? Yeah.

Riley Harden: 13:33

I can see that. I think there's gonna be the positives to it and the negatives to it. And there's always going to be people in the professional services world that are going to hate on it, because nobody's getting involved. It's something I think that happens in every industry, but I think overall, it's going to be something good.

Unknown: 13:56

As long as people are doing that all the time. It's a super great feature. Yeah, to be able to especially, I'm not so sure about the adding things to an existing photo, but to be able to take stuff out that doesn't belong would just save so much time. Yeah. So that part of it is very exciting. I think creating from scratch like you said that one or like putting i Well, we we talked about it in the test. Yeah, that we recorded but where you can type in and say Delete this tree here but put in a house or a barn or whatever. And then it gives you five options. And that just is nuts to me that yeah, I can find them that look exactly perfect. It matches to the photo. Just out of note I don't out of nowhere it just magically

Riley Harden: 14:49

Yeah, and I saw one another one similar to that where it was just this guy hiking with some small mountains in the background, and he would just circle a spot on a peak And then he put, like he directed it to input a medieval medieval tower. And then it had three different options of towers. And he picked which one looked best for him. And then he circled other spots and added like bushes and trees and like literally cruelly created this entire background that made it look like he was in Scotland or someone or somewhere in Europe with medieval towers and which crazy background. It's, that's like going too far.

Unknown: 15:26

You could always do that. Or you just traveled to Europe, right? But you could always layer things. Yeah, into Photoshop to create new backgrounds.

Riley Harden: 15:38

But if you master if you aren't skilled in Photoshop, no good.

Unknown: 15:42

No, no, anybody can go in and say, yeah, hey, add this. Where before like if I wanted to add buildings to a background, I'd have to go find another photo of the exact buildings I wanted. match the colors did it in a just a bunch of stuff cut a bunch things that like it would have taken. Yeah, forever, forever. I you can just do it with three seconds. Yeah,

Riley Harden: 16:07

I wonder, you know, what's gonna, I hope it doesn't get to the point where everything is just fake pictures. Like, that's kind of scary to think about where everybody just over manufactures every single picture that they're in, or, you know, I could create an entire European vacation photo album with Photoshop, which at probably within like 30 minutes or something, if this new feature is like that. So it's definitely interesting. And I think if big if this is actually a feature and it rolls out and becomes public, and you know, we might get off this podcast and jump on and you might have it right now and will sound like idiots or we'll find out that it's not actually happening, but you know, it's popular on Tik Tok. So let's talk about it. But if it is, now I just completely lost my train of thought there. Oh, if it is we will probably do some type of once we have access to it. video recordings, not on the podcast because that listen to terrible podcasting, but we'll put it up on YouTube and Kaylee will I'm volunteering here for this, but I think Try it, try it. You know, we'll try creating something from scratch or taking a photo of like, we're going on vacation to Gatlinburg, we might just take some like, photos of us out there with nothing in the background and then we can use those Yeah, so once we get our hands on it, we'll definitely try it and do we can just do screen recordings and and you know, things like that. And Kaylee loves being on video. So but I think this will be something fun to try. So if you are listening and you're not on YouTube yet, be sure to go to youtube.com/at hardened digital youtube.com/at hardened digital. Yeah, that's correct. Sometimes I just like spew things off. And I have like, different URLs like the bit.li/digital wrap up to support the show and I just like sometimes I just rattle things off and don't actually think but you need a button for that. Yeah, there's a there's a crickets button. Let's see what it does. I don't know if that yeah, so we'll see what happens here. We didn't really test out or change the audio buttons bought this off a friend didn't change the audio buttons yet. So hopefully that's nothing bad. He says on the on the machine on the hardware. It says that's the crickets button. Bottom left was crickets so we'll see. We'll see.

Unknown: 18:55

If not, there'll be some bleeping Yeah, on the video. Well, let's

Riley Harden: 18:59

just go ahead and we're gonna test them because all of them yeah. You're gonna leave them in. There's a DJ air horn so we're going to definitely try that one now. Here comes the DJ air horn no idea if that works. If not, what does the DJ air horn mean? Like the bumper bumper? That type of thing? Yeah, well, it's in there.

Unknown: 19:27

We were trying to figure out even what sound effects we would need on a podcast I

Riley Harden: 19:33

definitely need one that's like whenever I make a mistake or lose my train of thought like I just did and just kind of sit here in silence for like three seconds trying to gather my thoughts again. So that that'll be one I like the crickets one honestly, like when I just go mind blank and don't talk about anything, just hit the crickets. But I think it's it'll be fun once I figure it out. I literally like it's been fun. I have minutes set up before we jumped on and started recording. But yeah, so I'm just gonna give another plug to the YouTube channel, youtube.com/at heart and Digital Check out the new studio. It's not technically a new location, but it definitely looks a whole lot better and a whole lot different than previously. You know, we're

Unknown: 20:21

now you can see my hands in the video, which is great. Yeah, but

Riley Harden: 20:25

previously. So previously, if you go back and watch any of the episodes with Hannah or Kaylee, the setup was a lot different. We were sitting across from each other, but we had cameras facing here, like you couldn't actually look at each other. So it was really awkward space, or straight on. And so yeah, it was it was awkward. And then we did the split screen of the recording. And that looked okay, post production, but it was just very

Unknown: 20:53

awkward and uncomfortable. And like my camera was sitting here. So I'm like trying to stare at this and not look at you.

Riley Harden: 20:59

Yeah. And you know, so this is kind of just more conversational, more relaxed, more professional at the same time, I think we were thinking about doing some other options. But for now, this is the way to go. Maybe get some comfy chairs. But I want a big comfy chair, but we just don't have the space for that, as you can see. Here like it's pushed up against the wall Kaylee's is pushed up against the wall. But definitely a big improvement. Fingers crossed. Let's see how it sounds.

Unknown: 21:30

We left the fluorescent lights on, which we used to not do because it made noise. So

Riley Harden: 21:36

yeah, we'll see. We're just testing it out. So bear with us with this episode. If you've made it 22 minutes now then oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, you've not been able to hear it or it's not terrible. So definitely let us know. Send us a message on Facebook or tweet at us, whatever social platforms you're on, if it does sound like crap, but yeah, thanks for bearing with us here and gonna do some tweaking, do some editing and have another episode out here shortly. I know, I'm recording. I'm not going to talk about it. Because when every time I mentioned an episode that I'm going to do, it ends up not happening. And so then like, people are expecting an episode or they'd said, Oh, you're gonna do this, and I don't do it. So I'm not going to hint at it. There will be another episode soon. And if

Unknown: 22:28

you want to be on an episode, yeah. Or you have an idea, he wants to come check out the studio, you're going to be sucked into an episode. So

Riley Harden: 22:36

yeah, that is one thing, I guess I will say that. We're looking to bring on more guests into the studio physically. So if you're in Central Indiana, and you have a business or you want to promote your business, or talk to us about what you do in the digital marketing world, for your business, be happy to have you on, you know, you can get a little promo out of it, you can run the clips and whatever. But I think we're going to try and get some more of our clients in house to do it as well. And we're also going to start opening up the studio to local businesses or entrepreneurs or just individuals who want to record a podcast and kind of do booth rental studio rental, I guess.

Unknown: 23:23

And not everybody needs all of this for a once every few months podcast.

Riley Harden: 23:29

Yeah. Which, if you're doing a podcast, you should probably do more than once every few months, but you've been knocked out, you know, five episodes in in two hours and be good to go. So yeah, just let us know if you are thinking about starting a podcast or you're doing a podcast at home and it doesn't sound great. And you want something a little more professional added in the video aspect. If you want us to edit in produce us I'm going to be doing that for a couple of clients too. So that's another kind of service that we're going to start offering in the future just a heads up. The future is now I guess, because if you need it right now we can definitely do it. But yeah, just shoot us a message send me an email Riley at hardened digital.com or Kayleigh at hardened digital.com. And we'd be happy to help record, edit, produce, upload whatever you need us to do for your podcast. And if you have all that and you really just want to plug in our camera or our mics to your computer and you do it yourself. Great. Well, we just kind of do a studio fee there and go from there. So thanks for bearing with us. We'll be back. Now that we have this better studio set up I think I'm gonna have Kaylee and Hannah on a lot more. So they're going to be super excited about that but also mix in like I said some of those clients and local people as well. So stay tuned for that and be on the lookout for more from the digital wrap up. We'll talk you next time