Spiders as Pets and Ghost Lingerie - Things are weird

Books talked about in this episode:

Daphne by Josh Malerman
Weyward by Emilia Hart
The House in the Pines by Ana Reyes
Behind Her Eyes by Sarah Pinborough
Mad Honey by Jodi Picoult and Jennifer Finney Boylan  

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Transcript

Shanna: Hello everyone. I'm Shannon. And I'm Jen. And welcome to In Her Good. 

Jen: A podcast where two friends talk about books. All books all the time. 

Shanna: Except half the time when 

Jen: I'm talking. Yeah, except that time. so should we even ask you what you've been reading?

Shanna: Oh, well, yes. I started moving picture. By Terry Che. I'm like, six pages in, so let's not talk about it. But I started it. 

Jen: Wow. Did you give up on going postal? 

Shanna: I love it so much, but I'm not, I, why am I even starting another Chet? I know that I wanna read them, but I'm not focused enough. I should read to Christie. Yeah, that is what I need. Oh, I need like a fun perrot. If anyone out there knows a good, fun egg of the Christie. Uh, Eric Pero novel. Please follow us on Instagram and, uh, tell me [00:01:00] about it because, oh, guys, I have no brain cells, none of them. And that's what I'm reading 

Jen: and that's it. Uh, thank you for joining us today.

Shanna: Uh, I almost started a book, but um, I was looking for a novella, so I thought, I'm gonna impress Jen. I'm gonna read. And she's gonna be like, wow, but it's gonna be really, really short. Um, so I was like, Ooh, I am legend Vampires just, I think it's just blood and guts. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wanna find out. Um, but then I realized I don't have my Libby on this phone and I didn't wanna pay for it. I wanted to get up to the library. But like I almost started reading that 

Jen: book so close, so close. But you couldn't even have just the most basic thing of having your Libby on your phone. I know it's 

Shanna: still a stupid new phone and I didn't transfer everything over because [00:02:00] memories, and guess what? The memories still show up on the phone. I don't know how it even happens. Uh, so yeah, I've got none of the good stuff in all of the bad stuff. Typical. Yep. I don't know what I was expecting. Yeah. Other than that, I'm just, uh, really thinking about reading my strata management textbook. Like I'm thinking super hard about it. I should really ditch all of these other books. I'm thinking about reading. And just read that one for a bit. 

Jen: yep. You probably should, but it's so boring. It's so boring. 

Shanna: Oh my God. But the job is kind of, Every strata manager in the world has just grown. And they don't know why, but yeah, so that's super boring. But once I'm done reading it, I never have to read it again. Yeah. Which will be great. I'm not much of a reread anyways. 

Jen: Yeah. So, I mean, why would you, 

Shanna: yeah, how about you? What are you reading? 

Jen: I have read quite a lot actually. [00:03:00] 

Shanna: I'm so impressed with you. 

Jen: I know, I know.

I'm so, I impressive. Um, so I read Daphne by Josh Malman. He is the author of Bird Box. Ah, 

Shanna: yep. Did I bring that back to 

Jen: you? Yes. Sweet. 

Shanna: Unread. Unread. Yep. It was just on my shelf, making me feel guilty. Mm-hmm. So you'll try next Halloween 

Jen: and then. 

Shanna: Oh, we got another Halloween. Has it been 

Jen: a Halloween since it's been, I think it's been like three.

 So I really loved Bird Box. It was really good. , but I never thought to look into what other books he's written. I just assumed this was the only one. And Mallory, the second one in the series, but other, I didn't think he existed before, but it turns out , he's actually written a ton of books, so thought I would try this one out.

It's about a girls basketball team and one night one of them tells the story of Daphne, [00:04:00] who is kind of like a urban legend in their town. Um, and it's kind of the same idea as like Bloody Mary or Candyman. Where in those stories you say their name in the mirror three times and then they appear.

But in this case, if you think about her, then she comes for you. Ah, like a 

Shanna: topa. Sure. Trust me. It's like a topa.

Jen: Okay. So then the girls on the basketball team, they start dying and they have to figure out what's going on. And it was pretty good. 

Shanna: Uh, was this a teen horror? 

Jen: Well, apparently it is supposed to be adult, but it's not. It's definitely ya. 

Shanna: Yeah, because whenever you base the story around a teenage basketball team, I can't imagine it being not that.

Jen: I saw a lot of reviews where people said this was supposed to be [00:05:00] an adult novel, and it was, ya, I want my money back. Well, I was like, well, yeah. Um, yeah, it was definitely ya. But I have kind of been into ya horror lately. Yeah. So that was okay. Um, the horror side was really good. Mm-hmm. Um, it was kind of like how when you read a Grady Hendrix novel, the horror is like horror. Yeah. It's good. Um, but with Grady Hendrix, I also really like the story and mm-hmm. Like the whole. It's all of his books so good. Um, but the story behind the horror isn't as good in this book. Maybe I just didn't care about. Teenage girls basketball team. Maybe they talked too much. Basketball. Yeah. 

Shanna: You have an ex, 

Jen: I have an ex that's played basketball, and let me tell you, she was a tall woman. Yep, yep. The woman in this [00:06:00] book, the killer, is also quite tall. 

Shanna: Coincidence, 

Jen: I think not.

Shanna: you read the cousins? 

Jen: No. 

Shanna: Ah, I did. 

Jen: Okay. Good for you. 

Shanna: I think. I think you would like it maybe. Okay. It's more of a thriller. Well, it is a thriller. It's, it's a white thriller. Okay. You should try it. 

Jen: I will put it on my Libby. Yeah. I thought it was good, but I have on my phone. 

Shanna: Okay, fine. I'm pretty sure that my library card is in my computer desk at home. I should really have it in your computer desk here. Yes.

Jen: Um, anyways, I read somewhere that this book started out as a novella and got outta control. Yeah. And well, he was encouraged to make it into an entire novel, and I think it probably would've been better as a novella. Yeah. Because the rest of the story just kind of felt like filler.

And we were talking about, I think we had four or five [00:07:00] teenage girls, but they were all the. Um, I could hardly tell any of them apart. I just, I would be reading and I'm like, oh, who's this? Don't know Jessica Britney. Yeah. Sounds the same as the rest of them. Salmon. There was just one who always wrote in her diary and really repetitively talked about her anxiety nonstop forever.

Shanna: What's she the killer? 

Jen: No. Oh, I think she was the final girl. Hmm. but like every chapter she would. And then there was a time that I called 9 1 1 on myself. Ah. And then it was like, okay, maybe some, you know, and then she just kept saying it like a hundred times until you didn't care why she called 9 1 1 on herself anymore because you don't ever wanna hear about it again.

Shanna: Is there some reason that you would want to sell a novel instead of a novella? 

Jen: I don't know. 

Shanna: I just wonder if they had like this perfect book and then everyone was like, no, do more, and then they,

Jen: and they ruined it.

Shanna: Well, they didn't ruin it. [00:08:00] I'm ruined it. I don't think you hate every book. Yeah, 

Jen: they didn't ruin it. I liked this one. I wanted to listen to it the whole time. It was really good. 

Shanna: You give terrible positive reviews. 

Jen: I know. It's okay. There are other books that I will talk about today that I did actually like, and this one I just really like, you know, just this killer would come outta nowhere and then arms are ripped off and faces are bashed in and I'm like, cool. That stuff's scary and good. And then it would be like, and then I was dribbling my basketball and then I shot the basketball. And it went off the rim, but then someone rebounded and I'm like, how? What? Yeah. Just too much basketball on your basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Too much. Um, but yeah, definitely. Why I think this could be on the shelf with, I know What you did last summer by Lois Duncan, who was very ya, but also good. This one was a little bit scarier, [00:09:00] but in the same realm I'll still try some of his other books because I like, I like his scary vibe. Yeah. 

Shanna: you know he exists. . 

Jen: Mm-hmm. Um, so then I read Wayward by Amelia Hart 

Shanna: and I'm so jealous. I wish I read this book. 

Jen: Yeah. So we read it for book club, except for Shannon didn't read. And then she just came to book club. I did. And then listened to us. I'll talk about how much we loved it, and she just sat there sad. 

Shanna: I sat there playing Lego and being sad, 

Jen: so now she's just gonna have to read it all by herself. Oh, some other time. 

Shanna: Yeah. And then you're definitely gonna talk to me about it. You're gonna be so excited. Yep. Yep. 

Probably. What three years from now could be. Yeah. Who knows. \

Jen: So with this one, we follow three different timelines.

We've got Alpha [00:10:00] who is in, I don't know, like the 16 hundreds or the 18 hundreds or sometime in the olden days, and she is being tried for witchcraft. And then we have Violet, who I think is in the 1940s, and then a woman named Kate who's in the present day. And they are all descendants of this wayward family of witches. And, they all have these bad men in their lives that are being terrible, terrible men. And they have to basically, Take them down. 

Shanna: Yeah. Sometimes just gotta do it. Yep. Have you thought witchcraft on your side? 

Jen: Yeah. I have picked up so many books that are marketed. Feminist and they always have women that just hate each other. And then they just hate each other and hate each other. And then they have one moment of like, let's do this together. [00:11:00] Yeah. And then they still kind of continue hating each other and being terrible. And I hate it. 

Shanna: I hate it. 

Jen: But this book was not like that.

Shanna: I was talking today about just inventing my own new last name. Mm-hmm. And I was thinking grim. Yeah. But way word's pretty sick 

Jen: yeah. Right. apparently wayward, is from Macbeth and then some of the earlier versions, um, it was described as like a, a name and then it was changed to. Uh, in like later publications. 

Shanna: Yeah, it's perfect. 

Jen: Yeah, so the magic was really good in this book. I love when magic is intertwined with nature and animals, and in this case lots of bugs. 

Shanna: So many bugs. Oh, that's right. This one made you wanna kiss bugs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it did. I feel like that needs more explanation.

Jen: It was just so cool. They could control bugs, and bugs would just like [00:12:00] come to them and they could do things with them and they had like little pet bugs and stuff. I mean, that makes it sound way more cute than it was cause it wasn't cute. But I just pictured having a little spider on my shoulder that would just sit there and be.

Just a cute spider. Yeah. And not crawl onto my face suddenly, which is what I'm afraid of. Just get a big 

Shanna: tarantula. Oh my God. Come on. 

Jen: No, that's too far. It'd be so cute. Oh, they're, I tried, uh, I thought I can have a spider friend, and then I saw one in my bathroom and I was like, okay, I'm just, I'm just gonna touch it and it's gonna be, I'm just gonna let it crawl into my hand.

Were you in the shower? No, but I was like, dang. Okay. No, not this time. But there were other times where spiders tried coming on me in the shower and it's really scary. But this time I was prepared and I was like, okay, and I'm putting my hand out. And I'm like, Ugh. And then it like drops down suddenly and I'm like, ah.[00:13:00] 

And then I was like, I can't, I want to, I just can't. No, no. 

Shanna: You're familiar is not a spider. No. 

Jen: It'd be so cool though. It could be so cool. Yeah. Only if I have control over it though somehow. Um, yeah, it definitely did make me wanna kiss bugs. Oh, so good. yeah, I definitely recommend for anyone out there who's looking for a good witchy.

This was it. We read two witch books in a row for book club. 

Shanna: Yeah. She's really trying to tempt me. Mm-hmm. Into reading. Yes. 

Jen: I do a book about video games. I do books about witches and you're just like, nah, no, don't care. 

Shanna: I read a quarter of one of those books and an entire one of those books.

Jen: Yes, it's true. You did read one and 

Shanna: I really thought about reading that last one. I'm gonna, 

Jen: You have to. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. Definitely look at the cover, everybody. It's so good. I bought it just because of the cover. What was 

Shanna: the other book? I [00:14:00] think Carolyn bought it that had a beautiful cover. 

Jen: Oh, Demi was talking about Hester. 

Shanna: Hester, that's right. And she showed us the cover. Yeah. Yes. I want to buy that one too. I don't really know anything about it, but it's got a beautiful cover. Yeah. It's art. Yeah. Aesthetically it would look beautiful beside wayward. Yeah. 

Jen: So then I read, okay. I read The House in The Pines by Anna Reyes, and I'm not really gonna say very much about this one because I'm just gonna say, don't waste your time. Ooh. Oh, sorry. I feel bad, but I did not enjoy this book. it's about a woman named Maya who is addicted to sleeping pills and alcohol.

Her life is just spiraling out of control, and then she sees a video online and it's of her ex-boyfriend sitting [00:15:00] across the table from a woman at a diner, and then she, the woman just drops dead and. No one knows how she died or what happened. It's just kind of like an unexplained death.

Shanna: Are we talking like phone footage? 

Jen: Like, uh, security camera kind of thing? Okay. Um, but Maya isn't shocked because when she was a teenager and dating this guy, she watched her best friend drop dead while talking to him. Ooh. So then it was like, how is. Killing these women by just talking to them. 

Shanna: Honestly, I felt like I could drop dead when some men have talked to me.

Jen: Yeah. A man walked behind me yesterday and I almost, god. It was scary. He didn't do anything. He just walked behind me and I thought he was gonna kill me. Mm-hmm. Some of them give off that vibe. Yeah. Yeah. So she kind of becomes obsessed with this and she is being really secretive with [00:16:00] her family and her boyfriend cuz she's also addicted to drugs and it's a whole thing.

She goes to try to track this guy down to try to talk to the police and convince them that that he's done this before and they were 

Shanna: like, oh, the drug addict. Definitely. Yeah. Trustworthy. Yeah. 

Jen: Okay. So no one believes her. She's starting to get really paranoid and she's like, people are, you know, calling her house and hanging up and stuff. But turns out that some of the side effects of withdrawal of the medication that she's abusing, are like paranoia, hallucinations, and so we're. Who knows what's actually happening in this story. Mm-hmm. And I like a good unreliable narrator, but in this case it was too obvious that she was unreliable. Like she was too unreliable maybe. I don't know. And then in the end, the twist was, It wasn't just like not well done or not a good twist. It was just really [00:17:00] stupid. Mm. 

Shanna: Like left field. 

Jen: Yeah. And there was this whole other storyline, where Maya's. Dad was from Guatemala and he died and left this story that he had written, but it was like partially finished and it was about some, Taken from some poem and he was rewriting it and it was very kind of like cloud cuckoo land a little bit. Hmm. Except for it didn't fit into this weird thriller story at all. Hmm. And I'm sure there was probably supposed to be some kind of connection woven between, but they did not match internally. 

Shanna: oh, that made you miss cloud cuckoo land. Oh, I loved reading that. 

Jen: Oh, maybe you should read it. 

Shanna: No, that was pre-life falling apart. Okay. I'll never get that feeling again.

Jen: Cloud cuckoo land. That's what I always say. 

Shanna: It is what you always say. Oh, but it was snowy when I read it. That was in my bed. [00:18:00] I remember being in my. That was great. 

Jen: Yeah. You do love that. I love it. but this isn't a book Cloud. Good. And, nah, sorry, try again. No, this book I did not like it.

Shanna: Scorching review from Jennifer. 

No, I couldn't even pretend. I feel bad. I know how hard it's to write a book. It's really fucking hard. I'm like, ugh. but then I read Behind Her Eyes by Sarah Pin Burrow. Hmm. And so this one has been made into a show on Netflix, which I've heard is really good. it's about a woman named Louise who makes out with this random guy at a bar and then is mortified when she goes to work the next day and finds out that he's.

New boss. Mm. So this sounds like nice trophy. Yep. So this, that's what I felt like when I read it. I was like, okay, whatever. I was like, whatever. I'm gonna keep going, see what happens. [00:19:00] Um, cuz it just felt kind of like rom comy and I was like, well this is not a romcom, this is supposed to be like a thriller.

So what's gonna happen from here? And so he turns out to have a wife. Um, of course he does. Yeah. This beautiful, wonderful wife. He's probably perfect. Totally perfect. So Louise runs into his wife the next day. , And she knows who the wife is, but the wife doesn't know who 

she is. Oh. I thought maybe she was gonna be like, let's go get tattoos.

Yeah, 

Jen: I do hear that happens. It turns out. Yeah. Yeah. Um, 

Shanna: this is a thriller. There should be at least one 

Jen: psychopath in it. Oh, there's at least one. 

Shanna: Okay. Sorry. I won't make this about me. 

Jen: So they become friends. Adele, the wife is like, don't tell David that we're friends. Because he'll be mad or something and she kinda acts like he's abusive and controlling. And Louise is like, what? That's [00:20:00] weird cuz he seems so nice when I'm sleeping with him now.

Ah, yeah. And so she's trying to figure out what's going on, why there's these two different stories and she's getting way too obsessed with their relationship and um, then. It just takes this really unexpected turn. Yes. And I can't say anything about it cause it would be a spoiler. Oh dang. Like anything.

I can't, I can't even say like, it does kind of jump genres a little bit. Uh, I think mm-hmm. Just almost a little bit, but I can't say how, because it'd be a spoiler. And. I thought I knew kind of what was happening, pretty early on in the book, I was like, ah, yeah, I can see what's happening here. Yep, yep, yep.

And then it would just go further than I expected it could. Mm-hmm. And then it would go even further and then even further. And then I'm like, huh, whew. That was a crazy book at the end. Let's read the last page. Oh, and the last page was like, what? I love that. [00:21:00] Yeah. So it got me, and I mean, I'm easy to. She is like, I'm not, I'm reading this book and I'm not trying to figure it out really. I'm just there for the ride thinking, yeah, I got it. And then like, God damnit, I should have paid more attention. Or maybe I should try figuring out the, just 

Shanna: like make your predictions at the beginning.

Jen: Yeah. Just write them down, then go back and check it later. See what happens. Um, but I, there's no way that I could have thought of. And I don't know if you would like it, it might be like verity. It's not like verity. Oh. But the same kind of like you think you're reading something and then it's not what you thought the whole time.

Mm-hmm. And this that moment in verity where you realize what's been happening and you're like, oh crap. 

Shanna: That's not how I felt with Verity. Yeah. But it's like what Verity tried to do to me. Yeah. 

Jen: Yeah. And that's what it did to me and to you, you're like, nah, crap, this sucks.

Shanna: Yeah. I was like, rip [00:22:00] off, cheat. So I dunno, I thought maybe it was gonna be a little hit too close to home for me to even attempt reading. It's like, oh, like a thriller. That'd be nice, but it's just gonna make me mad. 

Jen: There is a lot of fairing happening.

Yeah. For. But I don't know. It was good. It was really good. It sounds really good. Yeah. I've heard mixed reviews. some people really liked the switch that happens and some people think it's the stupidest thing they've ever heard. Mm. So I think it's, I wanna know what I think. I think it's really polarized. And I know someone who's watched the show and they haven't read the book, but she said it's quite cheesy. It's done really cheesy Lilly. Mm. In the show where I said in the book, I didn't feel like it was cheesy, so it might be better to read it. 

Shanna: I've got a pretty long show list too. That sounds like a book I will consider when it's available at the library. Yeah. Once you 

Jen: get Libby. Yes. Yeah, you just 

Shanna: need to text me three times a day [00:23:00] for four days. Okay. One of those times I'll 

Jen: do it and then eventually I'll just grab your phone and do it.

Shanna: Oh, thank you.

Jen: And then I read Mad Honey by Jennifer Finney Boylan and Jodi Pico. What? 

Shanna: Pico? 

Jen: Yeah. That is how you say it. 

Shanna: Really? Yeah. Huh? I'm not like the Guyo. 

Jen: Yeah. No, it's exactly like that. 

Shanna: Pico de Gao. No. Um, is she mad that people call her cold? 

Jen: I don't know. I that's probably why she narrated her heart in like her author's note or whatever, so that she could be like, hi, I'm Jodi Pico. 

Shanna: There you go. Passive aggressive, but effective. Yeah, I like it. Mrs. Pico? 

Jen: But I feel like if I say Pico, no one knows who we're talking about, so I may as well just say it wrong.

Shanna: I'll translate to the cult. 

Jen: Yeah. Um, yeah. Mad Honey, this is her newest book, it is just came out. 

Shanna: I got it for the book exchange. Yeah. But I got it. I mean, I bought it [00:24:00] and put it in the book exchange. 

Jen: Yep. And people have been enjoying it since. Yeah, so she co-authored this one with Jennifer Finney Boylan,

oh, that's right. She's a trans author, right? Yeah. I guess the story is that she tweeted, Hey, it would be really cool to write a book with Jodi Pico. And then Jodi Pico was like, yeah, let's do it. And then she was like, what? Nice. And then they did, 

Shanna: wouldn't you die? 

Jen: Yeah, sure. It would be nice to write a book with Grady Hendrix. That would be so nice. Sure. Hope he listens to this podcast. But yeah, I really like this one too. This was really good. Um, we. Two points of view. The first one is Olivia. In the present time, she has a teenage son named Asher. She is a beekeeper, which is really cool. I also want to be a beekeeper now.[00:25:00] 

Shanna: Sweet. Yeah. Love it. I support this hobby a hundred percent. I will warn you. My mom is allergic to bees. 

Jen: I won't invite her to my beekeeping parties, 

Shanna: uh, she'd probably be into it. 

Jen: Yeah. She just has to wear It's a suit. Yeah. Get her an extra thick suit. Yeah. It. 

Shanna: It'll be fine. Yeah. She'll be so confused when I get that for her birthday.

Jen: Um, so yeah, she's a beekeeper and she escaped her abusive marriage years and years before. And then we have Lily, who is Asher's girlfriend. And this point of view is coming from the past, like in the last few weeks, months, couple days time.

I don't know. You know, 

Shanna: I always say the other day, and that could be anything between three hours ago and four years ago. Yeah. It's really my catch off. 

Jen: Yeah. So Olivia gets a call from Asher saying that Lily is dead and he's at the police station under suspicion because he. Found her body at the bottom of the [00:26:00] stairs and then of course, you know, he grabs her and cries and picks her up and carries her to the couch and puts her blood all over him and disrupts the crime scene. And of course, of course. And yeah, so, eventually he's arrested and Olivia. At first doesn't believe that it could possibly be her son, but then she starts thinking about her marriage and how abusive it was and how terrible her husband was, and starts seeing kind of similarities between him and Asher. And starts thinking that maybe it could have been him. And then we have kind of the usual, Jodi Pi. Formula where we're going through a court case.

So he's being tried for the murder. Super good court case. And then there is one surprise in the book that would be a spoiler, so I can't say what it is. Um, but

I read some reviews where people who you know aren't [00:27:00] the kind of people that we would be friends with. Say, I read this book and then at 45% I threw it out because why are people trying to shove this agenda down my throat?

Yes. Okay, so all the one star reviews are. From jerks. Yep. Like, not just like that. They didn't like the book. They liked it up until the part where they got triggered. Political. Oh, political. Political. So them 

Shanna: getting triggered, it sounds like they're getting triggered. 

Jen: Mm-hmm. I did feel like at a few points it kind of felt like. The authors were trying to educate me on this specific subject. Mm-hmm. Which was fine for me because I think the world needs educating mm-hmm. On things, but the people that need educating don't want to be educated. That is a problem. Yeah. So, I was okay with that.

It was great. I thought it was really well done and it was interesting, the way they did the book was each author, wrote one [00:28:00] perspective but then they switched for one chapter. So there's one chapter where they wrote the other's perspective. Hmm. but we don't, we don't get to know which one we just get. Just know that that's a thing. Just know it's a thing. Interesting. Then I just keep thinking, Hmm, which chapter do I think it was? I don't know. But now I kind of feel like I have to read it again and try to find it like it's this puzzle that I have to solve now.

Shanna: That's cool. 

Jen: And the B stuff was so fascinating. They go into so much detail. About the colonies and the, the queen bee and all the workers' jobs and how the honey's made and honey history and bee history. And it seems like that would be, like, that would get boring after a while. Yeah. No, no. But it was, it was really interesting. I loved it. and the audio book was really good. the narrator for Lily. Their name was Key ta and I loved her voice so much, I could listen to it forever. Nice. And I was really disappointed when I clicked on them. And they don't have [00:29:00] any other books. Oh, worst. So maybe this will be their big breakout hit and now they'll just be the new narrator. They'll be, what's her name? Aw, you. Whelan. Oh, 

Shanna: Julia. Julia. Julia Whelan. Yes. Julia. She's amazing. Julia. 

Jen: Yeah. It'll be the new her. 

Shanna: Oh. I haven't listened to anything read by her in a long enough that like, ah, I went on just a binge. Mm-hmm. And then all the books started bleeding into each other. Yeah. got a break up your narrators. Yep. Unless you're playing the same character, in which case 

Jen: No. That at her. Yeah. there's, uh, I can't remember what her name is. I wanna. It doesn't matter. But the narrator for the Queen's Gambit. listened to something recently that she, oh, I think it was, um, the Witch is a Moonshine Manor. Oh. I think one of those narrators was that same narrator. And I still hear it. Mm. Like there's just this little part of me that's like Queen's gambit. Queen's gambits. The queen's gambit. Yeah. I'm like, no, it's not. I [00:30:00] like this book. Yes, yes. I have deep rooted trauma. Damn. Queens Gambit ruins everything. Yeah.

Shanna: And then that's it. That's it. This is all you. Ah, come on. 

Jen: Hey, those four things up. That was pretty good. Yeah, that was really 

Shanna: good. I am impressed.

Jen: So what else do we have to talk 

Shanna: about? Um, well I've been playing a lot of Diablo three, so that's pretty 

Jen: exciting. Yep. How's that 

Shanna: going? It's going great. It's going great, Jen. Thanks for asking. No, Diablo Forest is coming out in June. There are like six people who just cheered. or like 6,000 if we have a strangely large gaming community, which who knows?

I don't know. But uh, yeah, so that comes out soon. So I'm just getting all the upload up, you know, so if I seem slightly more evil than. 

Jen: Because you got blood and guts raining down on the screen. Yes. 

Shanna: Just at all times. It's so gory and great. [00:31:00] I'm really enjoying exploding things. What are you playing?

Jen: Uh, well, so many games. Not, 

Shanna: no, not a single one. Hey, no, 

Jen: not even Scrabble. Well, you know, I do play my nightly Scrabble. And like my shower Scrabble. Yeah. 

Shanna: Oh yeah. Yep. I'd like to imagine when you're doing shower Scrabble, you are definitely wearing a shower 

Jen: cap. I almost always am. Yes. Yes. 

Shanna: And then when you're doing your nighttime scrabble, Your, your ghost?

Um, lingerie? No, your ancient 

Jen: my nightcap. Nightcap. 

Shanna: Yes. She's got her glasses on. She never wears them except for bed. They're like the Mrs. Claus, like half moons. 

Jen: Okay. Just, uh, so anyone knows what we're talking about? I think they're technically spectacles. Yes. Um, when Shannon pictures me in my pajamas, which is obviously constantly, it's pretty often, yeah.

She thinks I'm [00:32:00] wearing a long night dress with a long hat with the like ball on the end. Yeah. Knee are scrooge.

Yeah. I mean, I can kind of understand why she would think that. 

Shanna: Hey, do you have anything like that? 

Jen: I mean, I don't have the cap. Not yet.

I'm so glad my birthday's so far away. 

Shanna: Oh, who knows If I'll remember. That's right. 

Jen: it's like, uh, have you ever watched Little House in the Prairie? No. Okay. Well, when they go to bed, the little girls, they go to bed. They have it on these. Kind of like Miss Muppet, Oh yeah.

Things over their hair before they, yeah. 

Shanna: Yeah. I was gonna say in like those cone style ones, what's the point? 

Jen: Yeah. I dunno. Like, obviously the ones I'm talking about makes, so their hair is nice in the morning still. Yeah. But 

Shanna: I feel like my hair would just get pulled up a little bit around the crown and it would just look, oh, I cuddle my hair off.

Yeah. [00:33:00] So that's a new. Speaking of hair, should really post a picture. I should, yeah. And I didn't like just cut it to my chin, you guys. I cut it all off like it's buzzed except for part of it. Part of it's long. Yeah, it's pretty short. I think it's technically a long on top for all you fellas out there.

Jen: Yeah. We'll post a picture of Shannon. The most. Shanna, she's been in a long time. 

Shanna: Yeah. And then we'll post a picture of Jen in her nineties. 

Jen: Yeah, it's, it's not gonna be as sexy as you guys are thinking. Yeah, no, you guys 

Shanna: think I'm joking. It's, Ooh, it's 

Jen: great. We have a, a town up north from where we live called Barkerville, and it's one of those old timey towns, you know, the gold mining towns that you just go, Visit and get your picture taken next to a horse.

Yeah. Um, yeah, I bought this nightgown there, you know, it's, uh, authentic long white cotton with like some embroidery across the bosom, 

Shanna: pre [00:34:00] haunted. 

Jen: It's so good. 

Shanna: I mean, I'm pretty jealous. I 

Jen: would like one, I should have got two, but they were like $60 or something.

Yeah. 

Shanna: Like an old woman sewed it by hand. It should have been $60. Yeah. 

Jen: I hope that old woman got all the 

Shanna: money. Yeah. Her arthritis medicine was at 

Jen: least that much. Really? It's just been unwrapped from Ali Bubba, like, uh, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know I've talked to you about this a little bit, but I did find a new podcast mm-hmm. That I really like. It's called Obituary and it is, it's obituary, but it's like O bitch.

And it's these two friends and they are really funny and really great together and they talk about weird crap and read obituaries and it's really funny and really good and really interesting and I definitely recommend. 

Shanna: Yes. You have mentioned this one to me. 

Jen: If you look at the [00:35:00] cover art, it's so good.

Love it. Yeah. 

Shanna: I still only listen to last podcast on the left. Now I just listen to old episodes. I just choose a killer and then I just listen to it. I'm halfway through a Dahmer series, so things are going good up in this old noggin. Don't worry, guys, 

Jen: uh, every time I try listening to them.

There's just so much yelling. I know. I love it. I hate it. And then I'm just like, oh, shut up and just tell me jokes and gross stuff. 

Shanna: No, they're gonna scream. Yeah, too much. They're gonna 

Jen: scream and yell. And then one time I was like, okay, I'm gonna try again. And then I ended up clicking on an episode. I think it was like their wives.

And they were also yelling. Yeah, 

Shanna: they also yell. Yeah. It of those. So what's yelling the healthiest one? It's his sister. 

Jen: Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I'm just like, Uh, I mean, I'm kind of yelling right now, but 

Shanna: I know, but see, you gotta come from the stalk of us people who talk yell. 

Jen: Yes, I talk whisper [00:36:00] slash just don't speak at all.

So yes, I just, I'm not used to the yelling, but I do try. 

Shanna: I love it. I do enjoy the yelling. 

Jen: So I mean, you listen to metal, so I do. 

Shanna: It's like my music, but I can understand Yes. What they're saying. 

Jen: Also if they say 

Shanna: stuff like Wayne and Na and Na. So that helps. Yeah. 

Jen: See that was, that was nice. Yeah. But if they were doing it, it would be way louder.

Yeah. Well, I think that's all we have for you today. 

Shanna: I think that, Next time I'm gonna have read at least one book, one of these books that I talked about today, or maybe that one you're gonna recommend to me, listener, please help me. 

Jen: Um, what are we recommending to you again? Oh, 

Shanna: Christie book. Oh, yes. Uh, preferably your favorite.

No sexy. Oh, yes. Sorry. That's what I think French peoples sound like. Well, we, we, yeah, 

Jen: we, we, it's extra funny because one of my friends [00:37:00] is French and all I do is make fun of what she says. Yes, yes. I'm sure she enjoys it. Luckily, she has admitted that she does not listen to the podcast. We're safe. Thank goodness.

Shanna: Well thank you for joining me today, Jennifer. Where can everyone find you online? 

Jen: You can find us@goodbookspodcast.com, and we are in Her Good Books podcast on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. Head over there to give us a follow so you never miss out on what we're doing. 

Shanna: Oh yeah. Jen does tos. 

Jen: Yeah, I do so many tos like once a week. 

Shanna: So good. They're, they're great. For real. There's one that's so funny. Just go watch it. Share it again, Jen. Share it to me. I just mean like, send it to me cuz. I love it.

Jen: I will, I pinned it to the top and still no one watches it. It's, it's the best one. It's the best one. That one is so funny and it has 19 views. The one beside it where I'm just like talking gibberish about books [00:38:00] has 3000 and I'm like, okay, something's happening here. Yeah, this isn't right.

Shanna: Maybe you have to know us personally, 

Jen: maybe. Maybe people are just like, who cares, guys?

Shanna: While you're at it, rate interview this podcast, it helps us a lot. betcha, baby. It helps you get in our good books. That's right. By supporting the show and also helps our people find us like you and me and Jen and me. All three of us here together, tell death to us part. 

Jen: Well otherwise, we're gonna see you in two weeks. Two weeks, baby. Bye Bye. I,