There's an Elephant in the Room and it's Really Good, Actually

Books Mentioned in this Episode:

Night Film by Marisha Pessl
Really Good, Actually by Monica Heisey
Just the Nicest Couple by Mary Kubica

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Transcript

May 31

Shanna: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome to In Her Good Books. I'm Shannon. 

Jen: And I'm Jen. And this is a podcast where two friends talk about. 

Shanna: Books, books, books. It's an exaggeration once again for me today, but I do have book news and I do have book talks, so don't worry, Jen, I don't have to go first this week. You can.

Jen: Oh. Well, thank you. 

Shanna: I was not passing the buck. Don't worry. So 

Jen: this is a bad time to mention that I am in a book slump. Oh, thank goodness. 

Shanna: Yeah. I mean, for me it makes me feel better about myself. 

Jen: Uh, I mean, that's always what I'm going 

Shanna: for to make me feel better about myself. Yes. I love you so much. Yeah, of 

Jen: course.

That is why I've only read two books. Oh, that's, 

Shanna: it's for you. It's wimpy. Is what it is. It's 

Jen: wimpy, [00:01:00] considering. I think last week I talked about like six books. I know. And I also left off too. Oh 

Shanna: well I guess Are these the two? Did you read no books? Are you that 

Jen: slumped? I am not that slumped. I could talk about those other two books, but no, I don't know.

I don't think they fit the vibe. 

Shanna: Yeah. If they didn't make it to last week, they're gone. Yeah, they're done. Yeah, they're done. Do you ever feel like when you read a book and you don't talk about it, that you wasted reading a book? Yes. 

Jen: There's so many books that I've read that I haven't talked about, and I'm like, did they even happen?

Yeah. I 

Shanna: mean, does it count? Doesn't, ugh. Well, I remember you told me that you didn't like a book, so if you only read two, that means you're, you're not Batten. 

Jen: No. Very good. No, I'm not. No. In fact, one of the books put me into the slump. Oh, no. And now that's where I live. Well, let's 

Shanna: drag this thing out in 

Jen: front of everyone.

Okay. I'll start with the slump. Yes. Let's get 

Shanna: it outta the way. [00:02:00] You only go up from there. 

Jen: So I read just the Nicest Couple by Mary Cubica. Mm. Already. I don't know. It is just one of those thrillers. It's I think, pretty new, you know, thrillers. Some are good, some are bad. Yeah. This one was bad. 

Shanna: Just an average formulaic.

Know who did it. 

Jen: Yep. Yeah, so I mean, there are people that like it, so there's that, but. Uh, we have two points of view. One is a woman named Nina. She gets in a fight with her husband Jake, and he leaves for work and then just never comes back. Ugh. So she thinks, oh man, he's really mad. He's left me. And then she's just like, oh, boo.

And crying and like not calling the police or anything for a long time cuz she just thinks he's [00:03:00] left. 

Shanna: Sounds like she married a jerk. Good ridden. Yeah. 

Jen: Get outta your Jake. Oh, I mean, Yeah, she did. Um, and then the other point of view is the husband of one of her friends from work. Oh. Hmm. 

Shanna: Wonder what they did.

Well, it might 

Jen: not be exactly what you think is it, but it's not that interesting either. Oh, I dunno. So this husband, his name's Christian. He comes home one day to find his pregnant wife is really upset about something that has happened and it takes a long time, but he eventually gets it out of her. It turns out that she says she went for a walk in the woods.

Like a popular walking trail. And she met up with Jake, the husband of her friend, and he convinced her to go off the path cuz he wanted to show her something. And then when she was away from the path, he tried to attack her [00:04:00] and then she hit him with a rock and then ran off. So now we know Jake's missing.

She's hit him with a rock. What's happened? 

Shanna: Oh, okay. 

Jen: Obviously he's dead. Yeah. Like that's not, I mean, it's very obvious. Very early on in the book, the mystery isn't, is Jake dead or alive? It's just How did he get 

Shanna: dead? Oh no. Are we looking at that awful book that I read called Where the Crawdad Sing Style?

Maybe I didn't like where the Crawdads Sing. You didn't people, I 

Jen: just did not like it. I mean this, no, this is not like that. I don't know. It's just so far, two so different books that I can't see where they're crossing. Oh. I just like, 

Shanna: I guess I can't not spoil where the crowded, say if I ugh, 

Jen: this true.

Nevermind. Um, so the rest of the whole book is, Christian and [00:05:00] his wife Lily, trying to cover up what's happened, what she did, because obviously just calling the police to say you've been attacked. Yeah. 

Shanna: And that could have solved 

Jen: that real quick. Yeah. But they don't, and then they're covering up something that may or may not have happened and.

Uh, and then you get to the end and the twists there are 

Shanna: twists. Weak. Weak. Are you on like, uh, too many thrillers? 

Jen: It's possible, yeah, because I have been on a thriller kick 

Shanna: lately. It may not even be totally the book's fault. I know when I go on a thriller binge, by the time I get to like my sixth, seventh thriller in a row, I call it in the first chapter.

You gotta break those thrillers up. 

Jen: Yes. Well the problem is, is they're really good for getting out of a book slump. Mm-hmm. But then if you take it too far, they put you back into one. 

Shanna: Yes. Cuz now all you want is thrillers, but, but I [00:06:00] want to be 

Jen: as thrilled. As the best ones that I read. 

Shanna: You've got your thrill tolerance up too high.

It's too high. Now what do I do? You need to take a thriller 

Jen: break. I know. That's fine I guess, but I don't know what else to read right now. I'm having a hard time. Well, 

Shanna: luckily for you, I've read 30% of a book that I am not sure. I think you would love it except for one very specific thing about it. Okay.

So I am reading a book called Night Film by Maia Pele, and it is a horror thriller mystery about it's, Ugh. Okay. So a famous like Underground cult horror director's daughter commits suicide, and there's a disgraced journalist who. With disgrace because of the story he did about the director, he is investigating the daughter's murder slash suicide.

He thinks it's pretty suspicious. And what [00:07:00] I think you wouldn't like about it, that I love about it is it does the thing where it puts like fake newspaper articles into the book and fake webpages. So it feels like you are looking at the evidence that the. Journalist has. Um, but around that, it's been a really interesting story.

There's been some like genuine creep and some actual scares. There was a jump scare in the book. Ooh, I love it. Which is pretty cool. But yeah, it's just, I know that you can be a skipper when those types of things 

Jen: show up. I would a hundred percent just 

Shanna: skip each one and then you're not gonna get so many of the details right.

That bring the story together. So I was reading, I was like, oh, I think you'd like this so much, except 

Jen: for that. Okay. Well, I guess if I was to do it on audio then I, I could skip, but it would be harder to skip that. 

Shanna: I feel like it wouldn't work well on audio because it would have to show you. Hmm. Like it's [00:08:00] actually, it looks like a webpage, right?

So the narrator would have to explain to you that you're looking at. Like a url. Yeah. And 

Jen: I'm curious to see how they would do that, because there has to be an audio book. 

Shanna: That's true. Um, actually there is, I tried this book on audio years ago because it is kind of recommended for people in the same vein as House of Leaves.

Mm-hmm. Which is, I like weird formatting books and House of Leaves is like the pinnacle of weird formatting in a book. And this is. A story inside a story and yeah, it's pretty cool because you also, you get these scary movies that this guy directed. It's lots and lots of different styles and things all mashed together.

It's a bit of a noir. It's been really, really good. But I'm only 30% of the way through, but it's a very long book. At my big, huge old person font, I've read 315 pages and I'm 30% of the way through. Yeah, so. And there was a lot of pictures. [00:09:00] Yeah. So you guys can imagine the size of my font. I don't think it's that big.

No. Mine's 

Jen: bigger for sure. Uh, well, no, maybe mine's similar. You are older. Yeah. I mean, I am, and I do not wear my glasses, 

Shanna: but yeah, I'm really, really loving it. There's a character that I relate to. She's, her name is Nora, and she's kind of a homeless person. She has like several big, huge bags that she carries with all of her stuff in them, and she dresses completely insane.

She inherited all of her clothing from a drag queen friend of hers who died. So she wears just insane stuff. And she has a bird cage with an old, old bird in it that she takes around and I just love her over her bed, which was like on the floor. She had two pictures. And the journalist goes in and he's like, oh, that must be her [00:10:00] parents that I've heard about.

And he goes closer. And one of them is Jesus holding an orb of light, and the other one is Judy Garland. I was like, 

Jen: I would, yeah. Um, you guys might not know, but Shannon. Kind of dresses like a hobo, sometimes only a little, and also carries a lot of bags and loves birds, a 

Shanna: lot of stuff. So yeah, I really, I quite relate to her.

She's pretty good. I hope she's pretty good. Oh, and then we were talking earlier about not liking words on stuff, so I don't have any word tattoos. Um, cuz I'm scared. You know, just of, I guess it doesn't matter. I just, I'm scared. I'll have like, live, laugh, love. 

Jen: Yeah. One day like, oh 

Shanna: yeah, yeah. So, but there is three words in this book that I feel like I would tattoo.

Wow. So, I mean, I'm only 30% of the way, but so far, like, I'm really, really liking the, [00:11:00] the tone and the pacing and everything about it is different. And it's got like real, real creep factor. Mm-hmm. So, oh yeah. I'm really loving it. You're not gonna 

Jen: tell us what the three words are. Oh, 

Shanna: it's gonna leave us hanging like that.

Let me see. It was, you gotta gimme a second then. Night shift, three 

Jen: words. 

Shanna: Oh, it thinks that I'm talking about how night shift workers die more. Uh, book quote. Sovereign Deadly. Perfect. Okay. And it has a whole like philosophy of this insane culty director and he like lives in a compound and nobody has seen him.

And there's blackboards on the internet where people are trying to figure out who he is and he's like using real people who are really like going through shit in his movies and it. It just, it keeps twisting, it's doing like that slow ramp up of just like I'm reading it and I know [00:12:00] that something is wrong, and then something will happen and I'm like, oh, obviously this guy is secretly his son, or something like that.

But then another thing that, oh, obviously this, oh obviously this, but these can't all be right. Mm-hmm. So now I don't really know what the twist is, and it's been a while since I felt like I actually do not know how it's gonna go. I've got no inkling. Well, maybe I might just have to pick it right 

Jen: up because you try.

I've been only listening to podcasts, which is fine. And good. Podcasts 

Shanna: are great. Yeah. I mean, we love podcasts. We love podcasts. And people who listen to podcasts, 

Jen: we do. Yeah, it sounds really good. Loving it. 

Shanna: It's got like a supernatural feel to it. And you'll like it. I think you'll like it. Read it. Let's find out.

We'll talk about it next time when I finish. It 

Jen: Sounds good. Well, the other book that I read 

Shanna: is so sorry. I just, I figured out why it was so hard for me to find the words. Mm-hmm. It's cuz I was putting in Night shift. I was [00:13:00] wondering about that, which is a book about Stephen King or not about Stephen King.

It's one of Stephen King's novels. Night film. This is the book I was trying to look up. So that 

Jen: was user error. Yeah. Sometimes when I think things, I should say them out loud and it would save time, but I was just like, ah, it's probably right. It's shadow. Why would it be wrong? She knows what she's doing.

Okay, so the second book that I read is really good, actually by Monica Heisey. So we talked about this one. How was it? Really good actually. Really good actually. Yay. That was clever on her part. We'll, good. We'll see. Yep. Um, we talked about this one when our friend Janelle was on the show because she had read it and she talked about it, so I went for it and yeah, it was really good actually.

Yay. Hey, um, it's complicated though, if it's complicated. Um, but I will say that it was narrated by Julia [00:14:00] Whelan. Mm-hmm. So that just made it better. Yep. It just did, made it better. Share away. Um, this book is pretty new. It just came out in January. I just looked on good reads and saw that it had a surprisingly low rating of 3.2, which, I mean, I don't really read books below four, 

Shanna: so, Bad news about night film.

Yeah, I think it's like 

Jen: 3.8. I could make it 3.75 is like usually the lowest. Not that I go by ratings, but usually I'd look at it after and I think, yeah, that's right. Yeah. 

Shanna: But although to be fair, I could also be. I'm telling you the rating of the book Night Shift by Stephen King.

Jen: That's the one I end up reading instead. Like, this didn't sound like it at all, 

Shanna: but yeah. Tell me about this 

Jen: 3.2. Well, I'll say one of the one star reviews states. Really [00:15:00] bad actually. That's pretty good. Yeah. I was like, well, that was all it said, the whole review. Oh. Um, so Monica Hek is Canadian. Mm-hmm.

She's Canadian. She is from Toronto. She's written on shows, um, like Schitt's Creek and work in moms. So those are both really good and funny. I thought it was funny on her website. In her bio, it says that she currently lives in London, but it doesn't specify whether that's London, England, or London, Ontario.

Well, I was like, clever. Mm-hmm. I see what you did there. I mean, maybe she does live in London, England, but you know, who knows? I think it would say that, you 

Shanna: know, she left it nice and open. 

Jen: Um, okay, so this is her debut novel. It's about a woman named Maggie who decides that she wants to get divorced from her husband.

They were together for 10 years, but only married [00:16:00] for like, not even two years. And then she suggests that they get divorced. He says, sure. Solid. Yeah. Um, no kids, but then no kids. Easy. So Monica Heisey, she was also divorced like in her late twenties. Maggie in the book is in her late twenties, and when she was going through this divorce, she found that there was no anything anywhere about young people getting divorced.

It was all old people who have kids and who have houses, and it's way harder and way more messy. And for them it was just, Well, now we're divorced and we just move out of our rental apartment and, and we're done. It's like breaking up. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not as big of a deal in the media, I guess. So she decided to write a book about it, but she didn't want it to be a memoir.

She wanted it to be fictionalized, but there's a lot of it that is based on her experience in her divorce. There is no plot in this book. It's just [00:17:00] her journey of divorce. 

Shanna: And that was actually, now that I think about it, Janelle, who. Brought this book to us. She was divorced young. Mm-hmm. And it's just funny that she was reading it cause I'm like, oh yeah, this makes sense that you, Janelle read it, but she just got married again.

It seems like weird pre-wet reading. Yeah, that's 

Jen: true. But she really liked it, so I'm sure that there's a lot in it that she could relate to. Mm-hmm. 

Shanna: Maybe a quick reminder to herself, just in case, am I willing to go 

Jen: through this again? Make sure you're sure. Yes. Um, which, 

Shanna: Congratulations, Jim and Corey. 

Jen: You guys are so cute.

Yes. Um, yeah, there's no plot in this book. It's just her day-to-day as she navigates things like being in a job that she no longer cares about and also divorced and living in an apartment that she can no longer afford. But she doesn't wanna move out because she lives there. That's embarrassing. And yes, like she's just, Trying dating [00:18:00] again and trying to act like everything's normal and trying to have her normal friendships and mm-hmm.

And it's, 

Shanna: there's an elephant in the room. 

Jen: Yeah. And, you know, it's very accurate. Yeah. It's a, as, as far as my limited experience. Of divorce, it's, uh, accurate. Yeah. So I don't know if you would like it, it's not, definitely not a book that you would normally read, but I think that it would either make you feel like, yeah, I'm not alone.

Yeah. Or like this, you don't know me. You 

Shanna: don't know me, you don't know my struggle. 

Jen: But while you're all, while you'd be saying, damn, you know me. Yeah. Because. 

Shanna: I should check it out. I mean, I think not having, I mean having the kids and having the house and having seven [00:19:00] years of marriage and like 15 total of a relationship, it's, I feel like I'm somewhere between young person getting divorced and old person getting divorced.

Jen: Yeah, because you are really young still. 33. Yeah. 

Shanna: It's like almost old. Almost, but not yet. Not quite. 

Jen: Nope. So I. Think you could be at a place where you could read this and think that It's funny cuz it is funny. I'll probably be divorced 

Shanna: next month. Yeah. Oh guys, I'm so close. So 

Jen: close. Yeah, so I don't know, there's just like so many things that.

Just made me laugh and I wanted to message you right away. Like things I know now I do not like chia pudding, and I'm like, that's weirdly accurate. Yeah, that happened 

Shanna: exactly like one week ago. Yeah. Jen at the coffee shop, she got these chia pudding cups. They're delicious. They're not. They're not. If you want just.

Every texture in your [00:20:00] mouth, but also somehow no flavor. Go for it. No, they're so good. Why coconut shaving. Coconut's Delicious. Yeah. Not when it's pokey in your 

Jen: goop with just some like nice pineapple and 

Shanna: like, and like seeds. Yeah. That just stick in your teeth and forever. I probably still have some, we'll agree to disagree 

Jen: on this one.

Yeah. I'm not gonna change my mind. You are also not 

Shanna: gonna change your mind. I probably will. I won't eat one of those again, but I put chi in something probably. 

Jen: Yeah. Um, well, she also agrees. Not good. She doesn't like it. I will say that this book did go on and on and on a little bit and got kind of a bit repetitive and she, you know, she got a little bit, you know, I was like, come on man.

I don't know. I don't want it to think, I don't want it to sound like I'm saying this to you. Well, which is now becoming the problem. But in reality, divorce, it does just go on and on and on. It never sounds, and it, [00:21:00] and, and, and it doesn't. It can be we'll get better eventually, but like that is reality that this, it keeps going on and it's something that you have to keep dealing with.

And it's the same 

Shanna: things. Yeah. It's somehow miraculous. How have I spent. 17 hours of my life discussing the same thing about the custody of my children. We're not even fighting about it. Yeah. W I had another phone call with my lawyer today just confirming. I'm like, dude, they're mine. He gets 'em sometimes.

I 

Jen: don't know. Yeah. It's, it's insane. And there's, there's one part of the book that's like the lawyer, her lawyer emailing her being like, I know you're upset with the balance of this bill, but let me break it down for you. This email where you said, All this crazy stuff. Mm-hmm. That costs $350. This email where you said all this other crazy stuff.

Also $350. When you called me to ask me what, you know, the marriage laws and you're aue are like, that cost 150 bucks. 

Shanna: Like [00:22:00] you're billing out a professional. You wanna I, my call today was six minutes. Yeah. That's gonna 

Jen: be 350 bucks, please. Like, I'm hoping he 

charges 

Jen: me by the minute. Yeah. They're like, oh, this one thing that you did that was extra crazy.

We'll put that one on the house by only this one time. And she's like, oh crap, this costs like $3,000 all these times that I emailed my lawyer. All this crazy stuff. Um, but also since this book is set in Canada, I don't know. It's just like, there's just some little like Canadian law things that were like, yeah, ooh, I know that stuff.

Or something. I don't know. There was just references that I really liked, but, oh, hey bud. I know, but I listened to, uh, an interview with her today and she described the book as a portrait of a woman in crisis. And sometimes that feels like kind of a manic freedom. That's exciting. And sometimes it feels like I'm gonna die alone and I'm spending the day on the floor.

Yeah. 

Shanna: Hundred percent. Yeah, that's accurate. Good job. 

Jen: Yeah. I was like, yeah. Mm-hmm. That's exactly [00:23:00] it, right? That's it. Yeah. I would be interested to know what you think. All right. We'll 

Shanna: swap next week. Well, and also I'll finish my book. Yeah. 

Jen: You've got a lot of 

Shanna: homework. I do. Mm-hmm. A book and a half, so that's a lot.

Well, actually I started the book club book, so for our in Real Life book club. We are reading Master of Puppets by Metallica. Uh, no, we're reading in the Lives of Puppets by TJ Clone. Yep. Yeah, I started it. It's pretty good so far. I'm just having a hard time focusing in just because of my brain, but I do like it so far.

So far they're in like, like a junkyard, which, you know, I'm always into a junkyard. Yep. And there's robots and androids and you know, sounds perfect for you. It really is. There's a like neurotic, oh no, there's a murderous vacuum and a neurotic like med bot or something, [00:24:00] I can't remember. But yeah, it's really good so far.

There's nothing wrong with it so far. I'm just a slacker. I've 

Jen: tried reading a few other books and man, nothing is grabbing my attention. I made it about 30% through the Paul Bears Club by Paul Tremble to his newest book. Yeah. And at 30% I was just like, I don't know if I've been listening to this. Mm-hmm.

Like either nothing has happened and I'm really bored. Or I'm just not here. Yeah. And I don't know which one it is. And it might, it may, it might be both shelf, that one for 

Shanna: sure. Yeah. 30%. That's too much. I don't know 

Jen: what the heck's going on. I know, but I mean, I like some of his books and some of them I don't.

So I mean, 

Shanna: uh, I feel like your experience with him has been. Only in extremes. 

Jen: Yeah. And this one's just kind of like, eh, whatever. But to me it kind of feels like it's trying to be, I don't know if it's trying to be, but it, it gives the same kind of [00:25:00] feeling as the Southern Book clubs guide displaying vampires.

Mm-hmm. And it is, it is also a vampire book, but I don't like it. Like I don't, the things that I like about the Grady Hendrix book are not in this book. So I keep wanting it to be that and it's not. 

Shanna: Yeah. So like you've already read this book, but better. Yeah. 

Jen: So, I don't know. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll finish it but you won't put it away.

Try, I won. I'll try this. I'll try. Try night film. Night shift. 

Shanna: Night shift for Stephen King. You're gonna love it. Okay, now I have exciting book news and the thing is, it's exciting for me and it's exciting for some of you. It's not especially exciting for Jen, 

Jen: but Kayla, it can't be that good cuz when you said, I have exciting book news, but I'm not telling you about it.

I Googled book news. Nothing was showing up. 

Shanna: Well, it is if you like Patrick Garas and the King Killer Chronicles. What? So we have been waiting over a decade now for book three, and he just announced a novella [00:26:00] in the same universe that is not book three for series. Oh. So close. So close. But he announced novella in that universe.

Jen: That he has written or will write 

Shanna: eventually. He has written and has a publication date of November 14th, 2023. Okay. And so it is happening for real. He always announces everything first on his blog, which is why I always check his blog. He's like my bimonthly author, check and. So he did a novella before called the, uh, slow regard of silent things.

I might have got the words wrong, but the slow regard of silent things, something like that. And it's about a side character named Ari, who is one of my absolute favorite characters in the series. She's not a man, but she lives in the sewers at the university and she's got like magic hair and she's a little bit crazy.

And I just, I absolutely 

Jen: adore her. I like her. I've only, well, I think I've read, is there only two [00:27:00] books in this series? Yes. Yeah, I think I've read them both and I didn't, I don't, I, you know, whatever, don't have very many thoughts, but I do remember liking that character. 

Shanna: She is just, I love her because she basically works on vibes, which is also how I run my life.

I just kind of vibe my way through the day and hope for the best. Yeah. And she's living in the sewers. That's like where I'm trying to end up. Yeah. So, but yeah, so I love her. And then another one of the side characters is named Fast and he is like a fawn. So they've put up a picture of him. Um, The other novella was illustrated by Nate Taylor, and this one's gonna be the same.

So I know I loved the art in that book. And what's strange is like they say in the Kinkier Chronicles, I'm sure they say that he has white skin, but in my head for some reason, My best is like super, super, super dark. So there's something about seeing this character and knowing that I'm gonna get a book that physically describes him [00:28:00] more often and it's just, it's not gonna match my character.

Whatever you guys, I will get over it and I can just like edit inside my brain too. Yeah. Just, yeah. But yeah, so that's actually gonna happen. It's called The Narrow Road Between Desires and, yeah, I'm just, I am too damn excited. I am going to pre-order this thing and I'm going to devour it. It's gonna be set in Teran and just the whole universe.

It's, it's great. It's great and you should be very excited for me. I 

Jen: am very excited for you and it's perfect for you. It's just a novella. You can definitely read that. I can 

Shanna: definitely read it. I was actually hoping to reread the slow guard of silent things. Before today cuz it's just little and it's illustrated and it's just so, oh, you should read it.

It's very, nothing happens. You'll hate it. There's no plot at all. Um, it's really just her going around and like doing weird, crazy stuff. Yeah. Um, she makes candles for a while. Yeah, it's great. [00:29:00] 

Jen: Yeah, definitely books for lovers of that series. 

Shanna: Yes. Yeah. So it's just super, super exciting and I can't wait to learn about this character a lot more and yeah, super, 

Jen: super exciting.

He's just throwing everybody a bone. Yes. 

Shanna: And it's something too about like, I check this blog all the damn time. So to check and get something is just so good. Yeah. Usually I'm disappointed. Well, no, his blog's actually pretty fun if you like him. He, he writes well, and he's fun and he does lots of charity work and he's, he's just a, a guy.

People say he's sexist, but people say every man in the world is sexist. So I don't know what to believe. Yeah, 

Jen: that's true. 

Shanna: That's all, that's my whole news. Nice. That's good. I know I was dancing. I like, At work. I've ran into Sean's office. Like, I dunno what any of the words you just said are. I'm like, I don't care.

Like [00:30:00] nobody understands what I'm talking about. But guys, I'm so excited. Yeah. You got any 

Jen: exciting book news? No. I did watch the first episode of two different shows. Yellow 

Shanna: Jackets. 

Jen: Yellow Jackets. Since everyone has been just. Going. I mean, people have, this is not old news. Everyone's watched yellow jackets by now.

I've never heard of it before until you set the impress of your tv, because everyone talks about how good it is, almost constantly. Especially at other book club. No, 

Shanna: I have no recollection of this, 

Jen: to be fair. You have no recollection of quite a lot of stuff. 

I 

Shanna: really just, I don't push record often. 

Jen: Um, Yeah, everyone's been saying to watch it, so I haven't for a long time because Sam, my husband, he doesn't really like scary stuff.

He doesn't like, he's a scary cat. He's a scary cat. He is very sensitive. He doesn't wanna watch anything that's too sad or too scary [00:31:00] or too gruesome or whatever. He's straight up comedy guy. So I don't usually get to watch all that stuff unless I'm alone, which also never happens. Mm. But I was alone for a little while this week, and yeah, I watched the first episode and man, it was intense.

It's about this girls' soccer team that is flying to nationals when they're playing crashes and now, They have to survive for 19 months until someone finds them. And first episode, it's just like crazy weird stuff. You see these weird, it's them eventually like dressed in these weird animal costumes like dancing around a fire and sacrificing and eating pieces of meat that they got from somewhere, [00:32:00] and it's so weird.

But they all start out so normal that I just really need to know how you get to that point cuz it's freaky some real Lord of the FL stuff. Yeah, 

Shanna: you, I saw yellow jackets and it's in like a baseball font, so I thought, oh, this must be about bees and baseball. Yeah, 

Jen: like some nice. Family friendly show. 

Shanna: Yeah.

It doesn't seem like something Jenna would be into, but 

Jen: whatever. Yeah. No, I definitely saw a man's leg crushed into jelly. Ooh. And then cut off with a ax. So 

Shanna: that's way more like what you would watch. Yeah. 

Jen: Yeah. But I was like, fuck, holy crap. No, it's. The kind of hooked where I'm like, Ooh, ooh, I have five minutes.

Can I watch it? Or like, oh, the kids are like turned away for a second. Yeah. Can I turn it on while they're not looking? It's like, no, because if they happen to ever look over their shoulders, yeah. They will see something terrible. [00:33:00] Ooh, gruesome. Yeah. 

Shanna: I push the boundaries. And even I would say no. 

Jen: No. Yeah.

Yeah. And then I also watched the first episode of Queen Charlotte, which is the bridger. Spinoff. Hmm. Um, I forgot about Bridgeton. 

Shanna: Yeah, it was nice. It was really, 

Jen: yeah. No, it's so good. And this, this episode was also, it was really good. It was really good. I recommend 

Shanna: talking to Carolyn today about just all the shows I haven't seen.

So she's talking about Degrassi 

Jen: like, Nope. I mean, if you wanted to watch the original Degrassi, which is, I don't know if that's what she was talking about. She said that this 

Shanna: one is like 10 years 

Jen: old. Oh yeah. No, don't, no, I've got no idea. No, no, no. I mean, it's fine. I've watched some of that, but it has like Drake in it.

Yeah, yeah. 

Shanna: No, I wouldn't. I know. Why would I watch it? 

Jen: I would never, but if you wanted to watch the original from like the eighties, ah, that's good. I 

Shanna: also told her I'd never seen the OC, and yeah, [00:34:00] she pretty much did that. 

Jen: Ugh, I love it. 

Shanna: I'm living in this, just in this world where these things aren't inside of my brain.

But I've got other stuff inside of my brain. 

Jen: Nothing is as good as the oc. 

Shanna: Nothing. Nothing. What about Big Wolf on campus? 

Jen: I can't even say how much the OC is better than that. Like Infinity? Uh, the, the OC is in my soul. Oh crap. 

Shanna: I don't have to watch it. 

Jen: How many seasons is it? Well, there's four, but it's really only the first season is like really in there.

Okay. Baby season two, but. You know, you can get away with no season three or four. Yeah, no, 

Shanna: I dunno. I have not seen a single episode. If you were to show me a lineup of like afters, I could not tell you which ones are in it. 

Jen: Oh my God. Uh, there's nothing better than Adam Brody. In the oc. 

Shanna: Yeah. No, I haven't watched a lot [00:35:00] of that stuff.

I'm missing out. 

Jen: No, you're 

Shanna: Grey's Anatomy. Oh. Oh my goodness. Come on. I feel like I would just be sitting back like, oh, I need 

Jen: a doctor. No, you, by the end you're saying, I am a doctor that also, 

Shanna: anyone 

Jen: here, the doctor I am. And you could. Someone needs their heart punched in the restaurant. You can do 

Shanna: it. Oh, I'll punch hearts all day long, baby.

It's part of being single. Yep. Their punching 

Jen: hearts. Yeah, that's, that's all you're doing, really. It might be why I'm still single. Yeah. It's not how you flirt. No, no, but 

Shanna: I think we know how good I am at flirting. 

Jen: Surprisingly bad. 

Shanna: Surprisingly bad. I don't know that It's a surprise. It's not a surprise to 

Jen: me.

It's a surprise. Oh. Thank you. You got this like confident, beautiful, funny, smart woman. And then any person comes close to her and she just kinda like dances away [00:36:00] like a goblin giggling. 

Shanna: I can't, I can't handle it. If anybody talks to me, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. And then I literally ran the other day guys.

I was, well, I wasn't trying to hit on this person. Like I guess maybe if I was actually like, Trying to, mostly people talk to me and it's a surprise and I'm not ready. So I was walking and I was smiling cuz I just had a smiley face. And this guy stopped. He's like, why are you so happy? And I wasn't ready for it.

I was like, ha, don't, I don't, I'm not. And then I ran away. I physically ran with my body. So 

Jen: it's not good. It's something, it's not good, but 

Shanna: I'll work on it. Well, okay guys, that is all we have for you today. You can find us@goodbookspodcast.com, and we are in her Good Books podcast on Facebook, [00:37:00] Instagram, and TikTok.

How's TikTok 

Jen: going? Bad. I'm sucking at social media. I haven't done anything anywhere. Me either. I suck and it's like just a pit of guilt. Well, yeah, I could help. I'm not gonna, no, you're not. I'm not gonna do that. 

Shanna: Uh, Head over there anyways. Oh crap. Go to our very active TikTok where we are definitely posting all the time, starting now.

Um, yeah, give us a follow so you never miss out on what we're 

Jen: doing. And while you're at it, rate and review this podcast. It helps you get an A books by supporting the show and also helps other people find us. 

Shanna: Um, otherwise, we'll see you in two weeks. We'll see you in two 

Jen: weeks. Bye bye.

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