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S7: E2: Zebra (Randy Jackson & Felix Hanemann) - Zebra's 50-Year Journey
Date: July 17th, 2024
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S7: E2: Zebra (Randy Jackson & Felix Hanemann) - Zebra's 50-Year Journey
SHOW SUMMARY:
What if you could witness the evolution of a legendary rock band from their early days to navigating the digital age? Join Randy Jackson and Felix Hanemann of Zebra, along with our special co-host Dayna Steele, as we uncover the band's adaptation to modern recording technology and their journey through the COVID-19 pandemic. Discover the transformative impact these changes have had on their creative process, allowing them to work remotely and with greater flexibility. Dana adds a nostalgic layer, reminiscing about Zebra's unique connection to their fans and her personal experiences from the band's early days.
Ever wondered what keeps a band together for 50 years? In this episode, we delve into the history and memories that have shaped Zebra. Felix Hanemann shares his excitement about returning to New York and new material for Zebra. We recall memorable moments, such as the band's early connection with Dayna during her time at KLOL and the unforgettable New Year's Eve performance at Cardi’s. Expect humor, nostalgia, and reflections on how the band's relationships and dynamics have evolved over time.
Curious about the future of Zebra? Get the inside scoop on the highly anticipated documentary and new music releases. Randy and Felix discuss balancing real jobs with their music careers and how the music industry has changed over the decades. Hear their thoughts on the influence of AI on music, the importance of online shows during the pandemic, and their upcoming tour dates. This episode is a celebration of Zebra's 50-year milestone, offering an authentic look into the band's past, present, and what lies ahead.
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Returning to the show this evening is my Season 1, episode 7, and my Season 3, episode 9 guest. I am also joined by a very special co-host as well. Hey, everyone, it's Randy Hulsey with Backstage Pass Radio, and all three of my guests on the show today hold the honor of being inducted into the Hall of Fame status in their respective trades. We're going to find out what's new and exciting with Randy Jackson and Felix Hanemann of the rock band Zebra, and I'm going to do that with my sidekick, Dayna Steele, who was the voice of Houston Rock Radio 101, klol, for 20 years. Sit tight and Dayna
Speaker 1:and I will jump into all things Zebra right after this.
Speaker 2:This is Backstage Pass Radio, the podcast that's designed for the music junkie with a thirst for musical knowledge. Hi, this is Adam Gordon, and I want to thank you all for joining us today. Make sure you like, subscribe and turn alerts on for this and all upcoming podcasts. And now here's your host of Backstage Pass Radio, randy Halsey.
Speaker 1:Randy, Felix and Dayna. Welcome back to the show. All three of you guys, thanks. Thank you, fellas. It's great to, of course, see you again. I think the last time I saw you was backstage, felix you and I spoke a little bit about this earlier, but backstage at the the Rise Rooftop show here in Houston, and I didn't realize it, felix, that it was pre-pandemic. Was it that far back that you guys were here? Seriously, yeah, yeah, holy cow, time flies yeah, I'm like, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4:I call that. All of us have now had a John Lennon lost weekend. That was about two years or more. Yeah, the whole world. Exactly Because we're all skewed, We'll go, oh well, four years ago. And somebody will go, oh no, that was six years ago. Because we're all skewed by that weird couple of years where we were locked down or, yes, whatever indeed we were.
Speaker 1:And, dana, welcome back to the show you were just on recently. So you and I are fresh off the off the mics here together, but it's it's good to see you again and, uh, welcome yeah well, you know it's, it's one.
Speaker 4:it's one of my favorite bands and it's the only band who ever drank out of my shoes, so I'll do whatever you ask me to do with Zebra.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm glad you're here and Randy and Felix, I'm glad you guys jumped back in with us after some time. Randy, it's been three years now since you came on my show. I just don't understand where the time goes. Man 2021 yeah, it seems like it was just not too long ago yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have even said two years.
Speaker 5:No, you know, no, like a year and a half maybe yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking so too. Well, what's been keeping you specifically, randy? What's been keeping you busy since we spoke last?
Speaker 5:well, I've been recording. You know, we're recording the new zebra record right now, so I've been doing a lot of overdubs. At this point, most of the guys, drum parts are done and the arrangements of the songs are done and, uh, I've just been trying things. And the great part about uh, recording this way, you know, because I'm doing it all at home is that that you can, you know, do a version of the song, listen to it and live with it a little bit and then come back in, you know, with the knowledge that you don't have to spend $200,000 an hour to do another version of it. And you know, at this point in our lives, I think it's a good advantage to have you know A hundred percent.
Speaker 4:Are you in the studio together or are you all in your own home studios and recording and you mix it together, guy?
Speaker 5:lives down in Louisiana. So I went down there and Guy has his own studio down there with his drums all set up, sounds are all good. And so I went down there with guy and we just worked on the arrangements of the songs. You know I had the parts for him to listen to, you know, to know what the songs were. But we just worked on the arrangements and then, uh, and guy took that I left.
Speaker 2:I was there with him for about a week, and then I left came back up to New York and he sent me the tracks online.
Speaker 5:He sent me like three or four different versions of each of each song and then we would just go from there. You know we just trade the tracks back and forth and it works great. I mean we have. I don't think we've really done a record where we all played at the same time in the studio since the first album. You know it's been that long. You know we played live for like eight years before we ever did a record. And then, once we did that first record, you know the tech nerd in me went kind of crazy with things and it became more of an overdubb session you know, on most of the records, you know.
Speaker 5:But even back then it was a good thing to be able to do, because we could kind of do what I was just talking about, you know, do versions of the songs and go back and listen and and not have to, uh, worry that something was written in stone.
Speaker 1:So yeah, well, isn't it nice that that technology is there at our fingertips these days, where you can actually do things from a remote distance. Everybody doesn't have to be in the same room anymore. Much, you know, I guess, like you did 30, 40 years ago, right, everybody had to be in a studio somewhere, right?
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, you needed a studio. You needed engineers, and it took a lot of livelihoods out of them, a lot of people who were making their livings being engineers and studio owners, which is a drag. But that's what technology does. It just makes things a little quicker, and I'm afraid that AI is only going to make it worse.
Speaker 4:It's going toplace all of us. I have a question Now. My husband flew for NASA for years, so he would be gone for a long time and then he would come home and it would be like, ok, leave. So when the three of you get together, because you are able to record this way now, so you're apart from each other for a long period of time, but the three of you are like an old threesome, you're like an old married couple, except there's three of you.
Speaker 4:Um, when the three of you get together in a studio, in a room and whatever does it like, it used to take me a while when my husband had been gone for three, four weeks for a shuttle launch. It would take me a while to get used to. Okay, we gotta get, we gotta get him back into the groove. Does it would take me a while to get used to? Okay, we got to get him back into the groove. Does it take you guys a while to get back into the groove, or do you just, after 50 years, pick up right where you left off?
Speaker 3:You know, I feel like we do. You know, if Randy has stuff for me to learn and everything, I try my best to get it all down, you know, and then sometimes if I have the time or he has the time, then I'll get together with him before I even get together with him and Guy. So you know, and I'm going over that stuff so that by the time we get there most of it's in pretty good shape. I mean, we might tweak it here and there or I might, you know, make some mistakes here and there, but you know it's pretty much. You know, I mean that's the way I practice now all the time, just for the shows that we do. I practice with all of our recorded stuff all the time. You know, we don't practice hardly at all together anymore, except for like when we were doing the symphony stuff.
Speaker 5:The camaraderie is still there. When we get in a room together.
Speaker 4:It's not like we have to get readjusted to each other.
Speaker 5:Our personalities are pretty much the same and I think the biggest difference between you know now and back then is our memories. We have to be on that one. It takes a little longer to kind of pull things from the back. But you know, over the years we actually work a little quicker now because you know, all the ridiculous things that we used to argue about back in the day are less now. I'm not saying we don't get ridiculous. We can get really stupid, but we, you know, I think we know we wish we had a tape recorder sometimes back then you know how it is yeah and this no, we don't do anymore.
Speaker 5:You said this, you said that we just, you know, in general, we just move forward from where we are, and you know, and I think it works better that way. But you know we're family, you, I think we see each other more offstage than onstage.
Speaker 1:Randy, are you calling in from New York right now? Are you at home in New York?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm at home, felix is at home too.
Speaker 3:I think Felix, yeah, I'm home, I'm home.
Speaker 1:Everybody's home. That's great, Felix. It's good to see you, man. That's great, Felix, it's good to see you, man. You know you came on the show about. I think it was almost a year after Randy did, and so it's been a little while since you and I have talked. Of course we've all of us have stayed in touch since since the interview, off and on. You know, when time permits, but how's life in the family up in New York for you, sir?
Speaker 3:you know, when time permits. But how's life in the family up in New York? For you, sir, fantastic. You know, to me it's just summertime, it's just. You know, it's my season, man, I'm just so happy to be home right now and the weather's been incredible and you know, just loving life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and all we're doing here in Houston is complaining about the weather. Right now I am it's just too hot.
Speaker 3:I feel bad for y'all. You know, I mean listen.
Speaker 4:I've been home for 24 hours. I'm like. My skin is glowing, it's lovely.
Speaker 1:The humidity has its pros and cons, for sure, for sure it does. Well, what's keeping you busy these days, felix?
Speaker 3:What are you working on outside of Zebra that keeps you busy? Well, I'm getting ready to wrap up my stuff with cashmere. That's going to end soon for me, because we have so much stuff going on with Zebra. My last date with them is on July 13th and then I'm waiting to get the tracks that Randy are talking about, that he and Guy have been going over. We haven't I haven't even touched any of that stuff yet, and I'm getting ready to renew some of the stuff that's from the second record that we haven't done in a while for the live show.
Speaker 1:Okay, and Dana I wanted to. I wanted to jog your memory for just a second and get you to share with the listeners.
Speaker 4:I'm almost eligible for Medicare. Go ahead try.
Speaker 1:We just had a memory conversation, didn't we when your connection or where you first met the band, or specifically Randy and Felix?
Speaker 4:since they're on this call, you know, I was at KLOL. I was the music director, so I was the one the record companies would bring all these records in and say you got to play this, you got to play this. They would bring me. I'd hear a hundred different songs a week. Some were new, some they had brought in the week before, but just every once in a while there was a song that you would go. You know, melissa Etheridge, like the Way I Do, that's one that stands out. But Zebra is another one of those in my top five that you know. You've got 35 record reps waiting in the lobby to see you on a Wednesday afternoon. They only had one day a week to do this. You know, they had like 10 minutes, come on, come on. Because it was all day long and they all had the same spiel and everybody had to get their record played or they're going to get fired, whatever. But then every once in a while somebody would just say listen to this one. And you put it on and go, wow, and it was just this, this lovely wall of sound, that was different, because so much of it sounded the same the hair bands and everything. You know we still have Felix and his hair. But you know, I don't know, it was just something about it. And so, of course, when you become one of the first radio stations to play a song, that becomes a hit. When the bands come to town, they're coming to see you. I don't know. We all just sort of hit it off. And we have that infamous New Year's Eve story where I was emceeing the band at Cardi's, which was a club, but it was a big club, but it was the club. You played, I mean, you two played there when they were up and coming, the police played there, everybody played there and I don't know, at midnight, for some reason or another, the band was drinking champagne out of my high heels Maybe the last time I ever wore high heels. But it's a story that will not go away, Randy. Okay, it will not go away and I became.
Speaker 4:I became many things, but one of the things I became was a professional business speaker, a motivational speaker on business success, and I was getting ready to go on stage, one of my biggest speeches I think I was in. You know, I was on the circuit. So I was in Las Vegas, chicago or Orlando, in front of three, four or 5,000 people and one of the two principals that was introducing me. We're standing backstage, we've been mic'd, it's very professional, it's a big deal, very professional, it's a big deal. Leans over and says I think you know my dad and I was like what you know, it's very professional, it's a business conference. And he goes, my dad says you, he drank champagne out of your shoes. I'm like, oh my God, your dad's in zebra, ladies and gentlemen, dana Steele, and I think it was. It must've been Guy's son. It was either guys or Randy's, but maybe it was guys. I was just like what it could have been.
Speaker 5:How funny, would you say, you were again.
Speaker 4:You were out west I was giving a speech in Orlando for a huge one of the biggest customer service conferences and this lovely young man said yeah, my dad said he drank champagne out of your shoes on New Year's Eve. And I was like oh my God, your dad's in Zebra.
Speaker 1:I have to take it by that. I have to take it by that comment. There's only been one band that ever drank out of your shoes, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but you know my feet don't stink, so there well, it was cool to hear kind of how you connected with the band and whatnot, and, and, randy, I don't, I don't know why I thought back to our conversation and I was hoping that you would maybe give the uh, the cliff notes version of of how zebra you know. It was where, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, you sent a tape and this exact I think it was an executive was listening to it in the car and he popped it out, didn't listen to it anymore and when he did, there was a zebra song on the radio, I think you. You know what story I'm talking about here. Can you kind of share the cliff notes of that story?
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was the president of Atlantic records who had gotten a demo from a guy named Jason Flom, who wasn't even an A&R guy at the time in Atlantic. And the story is and we didn't- find this out until after we did.
Speaker 2:The second record was that when Doug got the tape, Doug.
Speaker 5:Morris and he was the new president of Atlantic at the time, because Atlantic had turned us down at that point already. We had been turned down a couple of years earlier and we had the same demo. So trying to make this shorter, he's in a car going back home being driven and he's in the back and there's. You know, he plugs the tape in to listen to the song and the first song on the tape is who's Behind the Door and it's got that one-minute guitar intro and, of course, the record labels are always get to the hook, get to the hook.
Speaker 5:Well, there wasn't even a vocal at this point. So he just ejected the tape and the radio station that was on the device was tuned in to WBAB, which was the station that had been playing us, and they happened to be playing the song who's Behind the Door right around the same area of the song. That's great. He went in, evidently, and ejected it a couple of times to make sure and finally he just listened to it on the radio. Wow, yeah. And so at the end of the song the DJ said you know, that's the top requested song here at the station for the last, you know, two months or whatever it was at that point. And who's behind the door? And, funny enough, you know Dana was talking about. You know how she heard the song in one of these Wednesday meetings, right with all the records.
Speaker 4:A marathon. It was a music marathon every Wednesday.
Speaker 5:And that's kind of the same way that WBAB found us and helped us get a record deal. This guy I was telling you about, Jason Flom, was one of the record guys.
Speaker 4:I remember him.
Speaker 5:He's done fantastic. But uh, he was there at the station, at wbab I guess, with the, with the rest of you know, the record labels, and uh, and bob buckman, you know, was listening to whatever jason was throwing at him and and bob said, listen, you need to be, you need to check this band out. And Jason listened to him, listen to the tape, liked it, you know, took it back to Doug.
Speaker 5:Morris, and then you know that's when we put together the vehicle that we broadcast the song to Doug Morris while he was going home that's great.
Speaker 4:Like he pushed the button, I thought I ejected this he can't make that stuff up.
Speaker 1:I was going to say talk about the stars aligning right. That is a prime example of the stars aligning right, there, right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's a crazy story, but I guess that's what it took to get us a record deal. Certainly, at that point, we had tried, tried and tried.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but you guys hustled. You put it out there. You put it out there. I post something across my social media every Monday and it's a simple question what do you need to succeed today? Do you need an introduction? Do you need an investor? Do you need information? What do you need? I probably can't help you, but why don't you just put it in writing and put it out there in the universe? Sure, so it's the same thing with music.
Speaker 4:When people go, you know, how do I get my? It used to be how do I get my boyfriend a record deal? Then it was how do I get my son? Now it's like how do I get my grandson a record deal? It's never changed. It's never changed. It's make something really good and create a tribe. And Zebra had a tribe long before you had a record deal. You had a tribe, you had this group of fans and you never gave up. You just kept going and going, and that's what I tell young bands and young performers all the time, or actors, or writers or whatever you know. First of all, produce something that's good, like Zebra, like you guys did, and you know it's good. And you just keep putting it out there and putting it out there, because you never know who is going to be in the back of the limo listening to the radio.
Speaker 3:You just don't know You're right or who's going to be the number one DJ at KLOL at Houston Texas. You're right. Or who's going to be the number one DJ at K-L-O-L at Houston Texas. That's right.
Speaker 4:Or who's behind the door. There you go. You'll never know.
Speaker 1:Well, I always thought that you know, I've heard a lot of stories since I started the podcast back in 2021. And, randy, when you told me that one, it stuck for some reason. I just always thought that that was one of the coolest stories of kind of how you guys were discovered, one of those fate things that you were in the right place at the right time and the stars aligned and all of those things Right. It was just a cool, a cool story.
Speaker 5:It really was in more ways than than that too. You know just the fact that you know Jason Flom had been sent there to promote an Atlantic record. The last thing that the record company would want him to do is bring back a tape of another band.
Speaker 5:You know, wait a minute, you're not an A&R guy, you know the difference was was that his dad was on the board of directors of Warner Communications, so he could just walk into the president's office. And that was just sheer luck, too, that he was the guy that got hold of it and brought it in, Because it would have never happened otherwise.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the debut record for Zebra came out roughly 41 years ago.
Speaker 4:When I was four.
Speaker 1:When you were four, that's correct, make sure everybody knows that. When Dana was four, when you were four, that's correct, right, make sure everybody knows that. When dana was four, this, the debut, came out uh. And then you had pigtails, yeah, right. So the debut was in 83. You had no telling lies. In 84 you had uh, 3.5 and 86, and then the live album in 90, right. And now I hear that there's rumors of not only new music but a documentary too. Any truth to the rumors there?
Speaker 5:Yeah, there's truth.
Speaker 3:Which truth is he looking for?
Speaker 1:I'm looking for whatever truth you want to share with the people that love zebra. That's what the truth I want. We're not. I can handle the truth you know we were gonna.
Speaker 5:We're doing a documentary and we started off gung-ho with it. We got a lot. We already have a lot of interviews for people who weren't in the first documentary and it's going to be, I think, what we're going to be doing and we have stuff planned for some of the shows we're going to be doing this year, to record some of those shows and do a retrospective of the band and include a little bit of what we're doing for the new record. It's not going to be like immediate, I don't even think it will be out this year, but I can see early next year. The new album is going to be out this year.
Speaker 4:I will pay money if anyone can find footage of that New Year's Eve for your documentary.
Speaker 3:We didn't have phones then. The last time I did a podcast with you you were saying if anybody has any photographs, please send them in. Nobody had pictures, no cell phones back then, that's for sure.
Speaker 4:No. I'm adamant about no cameras.
Speaker 5:I want to ask Dana Dana do you remember what time?
Speaker 4:I don't know. This is your interview.
Speaker 5:Well, I know, but it's part of it. Do you remember what time we actually went on that night?
Speaker 4:Oh God, no, I've done drugs since then.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it after 2?.
Speaker 5:It was close to 2 am yeah. And that's why, by the time we hit the stage, we were pretty drunk, but if you don't remember when we went on. Do you how long we played?
Speaker 2:oh gosh, no, no I just remember it was a fun night.
Speaker 4:Anytime I think of that night, I just I remember my, my, my smile. Muscles hurt because we were all just laughing and smiling. It was just, it was a perfect evening.
Speaker 5:We rarely got drunk during a performance. I mean, in all the years we did, we were, you know we'd go on stage, we'd play. You might have a drink towards the end of the set, but not smash.
Speaker 4:But you were professionals. No, we were all crazy that night. We were trash.
Speaker 5:So it ended up being like four or five songs because I wasn't going to be able to go any further. I was sweating like a pig, my eyes were burning and I'm thinking to myself as I'm playing. You know, felix and Guy are going to really be pissed off if I stop right now. But I said I can't do it. So I turned to Felix and I said tell me what you want. This is it.
Speaker 2:And I turned to see look at Felix, I hadn't been looking at it too much.
Speaker 4:He's on the keyboards and he's like this I was probably thinking oh, thank God, I can go home now.
Speaker 5:That's what it was as ready as I was, so you know it started at 2 o'clock in the morning. It was a little too late.
Speaker 4:It was a fun time. Itclock in the morning, it was a little too late. It was a fun time. It was a fun time.
Speaker 2:It was a magic time.
Speaker 4:It was magical people, it was just a great time.
Speaker 1:What was the delay? Was the culprit the booze, or what caused the delay in the show?
Speaker 5:The club owner. He just didn't want it to end and he figured if we went on at midnight and did an hour and a half set, it was going to be pretty much over yep. So he kept playing us and delaying us and then yeah, we went well past curfew, you know.
Speaker 4:You know, last call was like 145 in houston. Then it was two o'clock, you were out, so that might have had a little bit to do with it too, that we were waiting to all be busted at cardi's well, that wasn't, uh, that wasn't the night when your gear was stolen, was it?
Speaker 1:oh no, that was a different time, okay that was in 1980 80, okay, wow, well, it's been roughly same town, though yeah, robless, who wrote the song Walking in Memphis, oh yeah, became a hit again.
Speaker 4:His stuff was all stolen one night from Cardi's. Wow, because I remember I went on the air the next day and we found it. Wow yeah, I just, you know, announced what we were looking for and they found it within an hour. But that's how big K-L-O-L was, and my audience was back then in that, no doubt. You know, nobody was listening to Spotify or their iPod or their iPad or their this or their that or their Pandora. They were listening to me. Yep, the fans were listening, the thieves were listening, the police were listening. It all came together.
Speaker 5:We just had bad timing.
Speaker 4:We needed to get our record deal a little earlier, that's it. Let's call Dana. Let's have Dana come on.
Speaker 1:Well, it's been roughly 34 years since any new music came out, Randy, so I guess the thought there whether it was 34 years or even 20-ish years, why the gap? Why the gap in music then? And you're going to do something new now? What's driving the new music now for you guys? You know I've been telling people for the last 10 years we're doing a new record and uh wait, are you bullshitting me here like are you really recording stuff right now?
Speaker 3:he's, he's already started out by telling us it's all a lie listen I was gonna say I don't expect anybody to really, I don't expect anybody to believe me now.
Speaker 1:Felix, is he lying? Felix, is he lying?
Speaker 3:Before we go any further Wait lying about what, randy?
Speaker 1:New music, man, new music.
Speaker 3:Well, I heard tell that he is right. I have to admit, though, I haven't heard one track yet.
Speaker 5:That's not true.
Speaker 1:Dana. Well, I guess I'll see you on the golf course on Thursday. Then We'll adjourn this meeting right now then.
Speaker 4:It's all over. They don't have it on the phone. I have a question 50 years, yes, I mean, there are so many bands that would. That's just such a milestone, guys, you know, such a pleasure to know you and to have worked with you. But 50 years, that is a frigging incredible milestone. If you had to give any advice to a band, an artist, somebody listening to this that's starting out, or maybe they've even been together five, ten years, how do you get to 50 years and still have this friendship, this family, this music?
Speaker 5:I'll let Felix start.
Speaker 3:We had been in a couple of different bands together with each other, but every time that we got out and played I don't think we paid as much attention to the music as we should have. And then Randy and Guy started practicing in my apartment and I didn't want to have anything to do with it because we were in another band that was mine. That broke up and then they had invited a friend of theirs who was a keyboard player and they kept bugging me come on, come on, come on, let's play. And then that was called Maelstrom. That was one of Randy's friends, a keyboard player named Tim Thorson, and then that plan only stayed together about another year or so, if it lasted that long. And then so then it was just him and Guy and he kept saying you know, let's do, randy says let's do some Zeppelin, and Randy says let's do some Zeppelin. And he had some original songs.
Speaker 3:And I think the biggest thing that we had going for us was Randy's father had a friend of his that had this warehouse across the street from where his dad worked, and we could practice in this warehouse as long as we wanted to and after playing in so many of the different bands together before. We just spent so much time just working on the songs, working on songs. You know Randy was very diligent about doing that with us. We didn't even try to get a gig for like six months and I mean when we practiced. We practiced sometimes four or five days a week, four or five hours a day. Guy would come from his job in the French Quarter and we would meet there. I think Randy and both of us were still in college or whatever, and before we even asked a club owner to come down and come and take a look at us, you know we must have had, I guess, 20 or 30 songs together, right, randy? You know we were doing all the Whisper, bone, ash stuff and Zeppelin and Moody Blues and all kinds of different stuff.
Speaker 5:By that point I had counted that we had done over 60 different bands. We were doing covers by at the point that we called them down and it just happened that Zeppelin was the thing that was the most requested. So we ended up doing a lot more than that, and then some people ended up thinking we were a zeppelin tribute band.
Speaker 4:But we used to play robin schreier, we used to play bto the fact that you could play all these things and that you were so well versed in it. I did an interview a few weeks ago with danny miranda, the bass player for blue oyster cult, who was with queen for some time and he was actually playing, uh, the Queen musical in, um, I guess, vegas, when Brian May called him and said, you know, we need you to fill in. You know, at a little party the band's doing or something, it was a bunch of cover stuff. But because he was so well versed in all the cover stuff that they were like, okay, well, if, well, if you can do that, can you do Queen? That's how he ended up playing with them.
Speaker 4:But it's like you know, I like that story, guys, because you know, don't just be able to play your stuff, be able to play the hits, play the classics, yeah, if you can do what Robert Plant and Jimmy Page did, you know, if you can do what Paul Rogers and Jimmy Page did, you know if you can do what Paul Rogers and Bad Company did, if you can, you know it just makes you that much better with your stuff, don't you think?
Speaker 5:I think that you know learning covers and learning how to play other people's music. And listening to other people's music and being able to translate it from the record to your guitar or to your voice is part of learning how to write songs, of course. I mean, I think you know Lennon and McCartney. They were so well-versed in everybody else's music. They played so many, you know. They covered so many people, but that had a lot to do with the songs that they wrote Same thing with the Stones.
Speaker 4:you know, copying all the old blues artists.
Speaker 5:Sure, and it was funny how, when the Beatles came out, it became uncool to do covers. I remember a time in the 60s and early 70s where, oh no, we don't do any covers. And it's like, well, you're doing the wrong thing. You better rethink what you're doing, because if you can't play other people's music your own music probably isn't going to be that great.
Speaker 4:You know it'd be very rare.
Speaker 4:Well, look at some of the biggest hits the Rolling Stones ever did. It's not their songs, right, yeah, but I loved when they played Jazz Fest a few weeks ago, a month ago, whenever that was you know was you know he was mick jagger brought up the 80 year old black grandmother, irma thomas. Yeah, yeah, you know, because I saw a tweet from somebody going that's my grandmother and I'm like what, but I mean, he was giving credit where credit was due and so many of them is on my side. Time is on my side. How many of their hits were covers?
Speaker 3:yep, yeah, and they did that on high tide green grass. But uh, they stole it from irma because they loved playing in New Orleans. They had parties in New Orleans many times. Armin Ertegun would throw parties for them. In fact, I was at Cosmo Matassa's studio. I was working there for doing cleanup stuff just to earn, you know, recording time there. You know cleaning toilets and sweeping floors and running the elevator and all that stuff. And I brought Randy with me and we snuck into the Rolling Stones party at the studio we were working at and Cosmo Matassa was the engineer. Cosmo Matassa was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame about two or three years ago. Recently. He used to do Fats Domino and Little Richard and guys like that. Now, if you want to hear the real story, it was this lady there with a shoe.
Speaker 5:Felix went to the Rolling Stones party. I was not there. Felix and I were at the Led Zeppelin party at the same time.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay.
Speaker 5:But I want to go back and answer the question that you originally asked, which was how did you guys, how do you guys, stay together for 50 years? You know, and you know briefly, it's just that you know, I think after the first five years of band is together, that you pretty much know how everybody's going to be, and if you haven't broken up by then you need to really accept and not expect. You know.
Speaker 4:That's the best marriage advice.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's exactly like a marriage. You know, and then you know you have to have a good sense of humor about the whole thing.
Speaker 5:I don't think you know if anybody takes it too seriously, that's a danger sign, you know, but you want to be you know if anybody takes it too seriously, that's a danger sign, you know, but you want to be, you know professionals. I think another thing that really helped us get through 50 years was that politically we were pretty much on the same page with each other. So we weren't like, you know, if we had arguments, they were about you know other crap, you know, but we never had to deal with that.
Speaker 4:So when I'm not even going to touch that one?
Speaker 1:Well, talking about the music Randy and Felix in true digital form are you thinking that you guys would release some singles before you would release an entire album? Have you thought much about how you would release the songs?
Speaker 5:It's possible. You know everything. You know.
Speaker 5:We're kind of running the show, so you know if we think it's a good idea at the time we might just release, you know, a song or two songs that'll be on the record and put them out there. Sure, the 20 years between the last record and this record, I think really had to do with more about our age, and you know the fact that we were just kind of like I was enjoying myself at home. You know we were playing a lot and I was still performing a lot and that was where the money was coming from. You know we had really not made a whole lot from the records because that was the nature of the record deal we had. So you know we were still creating, I was still writing songs and just putting it off, because it's a lot of work, until this year. So there's really no excuse other than that.
Speaker 1:You talked about being at home and it kind of jogged my memory. I remember you were pretty prolific during the pandemic of playing your online shows. I guess that was a good subsidizing of income for you. Did that work out well for you, the live shows that you would play on Facebook?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean listen, people were generous, it wasn't you know, I wasn't charging a ticket or anything. But, you know, once I started and saw that, you know, people were, you know, just donating the money, it was great. But the main thing is is that for me, mentally, it was a great thing to do every day. It kept me focused and, you know, kept my chops up, of course, because you've got to keep that stuff going, because if you don't use it. You know you're going to lose it.
Speaker 1:It's like a muscle right. It really helped me.
Speaker 4:But it also kept the fans alive. Yeah, it did as much for your brain and your psyche as it did for the fans, for you, for Melissa Etheridge, for pian billy stritch in new york, people who just sort of developed a following. But you didn't do it to do that, you did it to. We have the technology we might as well do something with it and you guys gave people like us who were just, you know, out there floundering um and couldn't go to concerts, couldn't go out and do anything. It was really special when you know you do things like that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know, I still have people coming up to me all the time just saying you know how much it helped them during the pandemic. But, you know, I think it also inspired some people to think outside of the box you know, I shaved my head live on TV during that.
Speaker 4:You can only do that once and then you got to wait a few more months for it well, were you randy?
Speaker 1:were you kind of a techie before before, uh, covid, or did you kind of just say you know what, I'm gonna learn some of this stuff and go online and do the, the facebook live stuff, or did the techie stuff come later, or did you kind of know that?
Speaker 5:I was a techie guy in 1973, 74. I had to know how everything was going to work and I was really anal about it. So that wasn't anything. That wasn't a big transition for me. I had to learn a lot about video and stuff and segregation, but it wasn't as hard as it would have been if I didn't know anything. You know, I knew a lot, yeah.
Speaker 4:Did you ever work with Gary Peele, who played with Boston, and Sammy Hagar because another just big techie guy, I mean just you know. Well, there's a lot of it, not just the guitar but the amps and the sound and the social media and the photography and the video and everything.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and it's. You know it's addictive, you know all of it. And you know I haven't really completely dove into or dived into AI yet. I've done a little bit, but it's. You know, I'm looking at, you know what's going on right now and I think that the next year for me, the next 18 months maybe, are going to be the last time that you're really going to be able to trust your eyes, Because it's going to be so good and you know it already is that good, but it's going to be so good and in so many people's hands.
Speaker 4:You know everybody's going to have it, and your ears too. I asked AI to create an interview, a short interview on a certain subject, between me and an artist who was a very good friend, who's recently deceased. And it did and where it pulled my voice from and where I mean his voice could be found easily. Where it pulled my voice from and where I mean his voice could be found easily. Where it pulled my voice from, I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 4:It was spooky it was like this friend coming back from the dead to do an interview. So I was like I don't know, I'm not gonna ever ask it to do that.
Speaker 5:Wow, that was a little bizarre it's really gonna change how people get their information, because they're going to call everything a lie and you're going to. They're going to have to be other ways that we verify what we're seeing and what we're hearing, you know, especially if it's something that's serious.
Speaker 4:And there was a political speech yesterday that you know there have been some some segments posted and people have said, oh, that's AI. You know there have been some segments posted. I had people have said, oh, that's AI and it's not. But how are we going to be able to say that is and that isn't and then convince people that is and that isn't? So yeah, we've got to. You know, we've got to find our ways around it, but we found our way. You know, beyond the horse and buggy, we'll find our way.
Speaker 3:What's really weird is it's it's actually coming along more like, uh, max headroom than it ever has. Yeah, yeah, like max headroom. Everybody was really like upset. They either loved max headroom or they were scared to death of them, you know, and they were really making fun of the talking heads thing, you know sure and uh, and he was so weird because he was I don't know exactly what he was. He was kind of like part animated, part real guy and and you know, at that time it was pretty spooky.
Speaker 1:For sure it was, and I and I work in the technology industry as my real job and the way it's changing cybersecurity and AI it's just it's a lot, lot to keep up with, even living in that world day in and day out. It's. It's a lot to keep up with, a lot of it's very fabulous.
Speaker 4:This is too heavy. You said the key words, though, randy. You said real job. That's my question. Okay, starting with Felix, felix, real job. You've been a band for 50 years. Have you had to have a real job in there?
Speaker 3:oh, absolutely sure. It was times where, you know, we weren't making much money and you had to pay the mortgage. You know, I sold cars, I sold appliances, I sold real estate. You know, whatever it was, you know I'd be at a client store and people were coming up to me, going asking me what am I doing there? And I said I'm paying, you know, because they think you're a millionaire, you know.
Speaker 4:Randy, what about you? What were your real jobs over the last 50 years?
Speaker 5:Well, the one real job outside of music, completely because I had a lot of jobs in music was my father's. What do I want to say? I'm going to say my uncle-in-law, let's say, roped me into a what do they call it, the down line, and the up line. I can't even think right now I'm losing it.
Speaker 3:Are you talking about the phone company thing? Yeah, the phone thing.
Speaker 5:But it's called a multi-level marketing. That's what it's called. It's a pyramid.
Speaker 4:Pyramid thing. Oh no, you got roped into one of those.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, and I was pretty successful at it. But you know, I started to feel I started to really understand how it worked mathematically and that you know you're really taking advantage of people and it's just unethical, it's terrible, you know, and you really are selling nothing to people. You know, and trying to be a salesman and it was it wasn't great from that aspect. I did OK, you know, I was pretty successful, but it had more to be to do with where I was coming from and able to get people to listen to what I was saying and I learned to be a fast talker, but I didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 4:I asked Earl Slick, the guitarist for David Bowie and John Lennon and whatever Slick's another one that I've known as long as you guys and I asked him because he sold real estate for a while in Lake Tahoe. He just put the guitar down and said I'm done, I'm burned out, I'm done. And I said what was the hardest part? He said a resume. They told me I needed a resume and he goes. Put on a resume. Past employers David Bowie, john Lennon he goes. Nobody's going to believe that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was the same way for me. I had no background other than to, you know, play music.
Speaker 4:So it was kind of I think I made stuff up yeah, you can, you can do that.
Speaker 1:Well, I think there's a lot of artists that I think the facade of the music business is that you know you have people out there with 90, 100, 200,000 followers and you think these people are probably making money hand over fist. But it's a. It's a grind. Number one I had Tony Carey from rainbow on my show and we got into a pretty in-depth conversation about how the music business changed from the rainbow days to current time and he said musicians are t-shirt salesmen these days, like it's. You know you made all your money on the records back in the day, you know now it's all it's.
Speaker 4:You know you made all your money on the records back in the day. You know. Now it's all it's merging and yeah, yeah, or touring.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah for musicians. Uh, you know, I always tell guitar players that are just guitar players I tell them learn how to sing you know. Learn how to play a bass, learn how to play the keyboard you know. Be as versatile as you can, because that's what's going to happen Somebody's going to call you up looking for some other gig, for somebody else in a gig, and you could have done it, if you just worked at it.
Speaker 5:So you know, I've been fortunate enough to be able to do a lot of different things along the way and I just had that one period where I, you know, got focused on that multi-level marketing scheme. But you know, the musicians, I know that make a living doing it. They don't even have to have record deals, they just have to be versatile. They do studio work, they perform, live a lot.
Speaker 5:They can, like you know, like Dana was saying you, know Danny Miranda I mean you can call him up and he'll just, he'll sub for whoever you wanted to the show.
Speaker 4:He'll know your songs and he can play any. He can play more than the bass. He can play whatever you need him to play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't. You can't be a one trick pony, right, you have to be a little diverse to to be relevant. Or a one trick zebra? Yeah, exactly. A striped pony, A striped pony. Well, you said something about the bass guitar and it made me think. I'm sure you guys were privy to the passing of Leon Medica recently from LaRue right.
Speaker 5:I didn't know he had passed.
Speaker 3:No, I didn't know either how long ago was that.
Speaker 1:Just like a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I didn't even see that. That's horrible yeah.
Speaker 1:And I knew you know all you guys are Louisiana Music Hall of Fame guys and LaRue, you guys were all playing in each other's backyards there.
Speaker 3:We did many shows together. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5:We saw signs of it last time. I saw signs of it last time we played together and the guys in the band kind of let me know that you know because you can tell it was. It was classic all-singers and I know dana knows a lot about, of course way too much, yeah, way too much.
Speaker 4:The unintended expert in it.
Speaker 1:So dana, were you familiar with the band uh larue out of louisiana?
Speaker 4:I. I mean, I know who they were and I was probably most familiar with them because of my friendship with Sid Arroyo from Vince Vance and the Valiants. You know he would hate to hear me say this, but they weren't like a real band, but they were a really fun band. But you know we're going to hear a lot more of that. I think we don't hear as much as we maybe hear in the general public, because music rewires your brain in such a fantastic way. Why do Alzheimer's patients come alive when you start singing? Why did my mom come alive when she would hear a Methodist hymn? That's, you know, one of the great things about music. So the fact that he was able to play music up until his final days.
Speaker 3:Well, that was true of Glenn Campbell too, or his wife. When they took him on tour that one last time I thought it was really touching because they let the audience know where he was at at that moment, whether they wanted to buy a ticket or not, and what was going to happen, and they taped the whole thing and it was really very intriguing because he would be at a place like Westbury Music Fair or some venue and he would stop the band saying, nope, I think you made a mistake, and he would start them all as if he was like rehearsing in a studio for the show.
Speaker 4:Wow, and you know. And then all but tony bennett, tony bennett could. He could not function at the end, but he could still do his entire show standing at the piano.
Speaker 1:Yeah felix, you know. You know what they said about glenn campbell too. I and I think his daughter mentioned this towards the end. He had teleprompters for everything because he couldn't remember the lyrics. But she said night after night he would get on stage and he never, ever missed a note on the guitar ever. That's crazy. Yeah, couldn't remember the lyrics, but the guitar never lesson here is keep playing music.
Speaker 4:Yeah sure, Even after 50 years guys.
Speaker 3:That's what we're going to be doing. We'll be coming to your porch soon.
Speaker 4:I'll go buy a new pair of shoes. Babe, there you go.
Speaker 1:There you go. We touched on the documentary for you guys and I wanted to mention also that, dana, you were recently in a documentary as well about the rise and fall of 101 KLOL Right.
Speaker 4:It was. It's been a lot of fun. First of all, it's great to have something to hand to my three grown sons and go see, I was cool, but it's. I just finished watching the four part. Thank you, good night.
Speaker 4:The documentary about john bon jovi, who he never expected his vocal journey to be a part of this documentary when they started filming it. So I'm thrilled you guys are doing this and you know, put the good, put the bad, put bad, put the ugly, put the sweet, put everything in there. Because, yeah, I'm a DJ and all of that, but I'm a music fan and watching the K-L-O-L documentary, could I separate myself from it? Yes, because it was the station I grew up listening to, and to end up being one of their top jocks later on was just icing on the cake. But put everything in there because the fans love it.
Speaker 4:I love how honest John has been about the loss of his voice and trying to get it back. So put it all in there. And because we do want to see it and we do love it and we love to see that our heroes and the people we love so much like you and like the band zebra, that you are like us and that you had your ups and your downs and your goods and your bads and um, but definitely, definitely do it. I think it. It's so great for your fans and for your family and your kids and your grandkids, and just also future generations, to have it to go back and look at. Yeah, this is how this span did it, cause again, you're getting ready to celebrate 50 years. Come on, yeah, that's freaking fantastic.
Speaker 1:That's a milestone, for sure. I mean, even even 10 years together as a band is a long time, you know. You just don't see them sticking around.
Speaker 4:Three months together with a band. Hey, I'd never been with anybody longer than six weeks when I married Charlie, and that was 34 years ago. You just never know who's going to stick.
Speaker 1:The wonder husband right.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, the wonder husband man Wow.
Speaker 1:You said top five a minute ago, zebra for you. And I I was gonna say and I think I mentioned to to all three of the guys in zebra when I talked to them, probably you know that debut album was top three of all time for me, just front to back. You know, when you talk about a song, the first song to the last song top three for me. And and another one of that top three was so fired up from larue, so two louisiana bands there, uh, for me. So I just wanted to remind you guys of the compliment there and say that you know you've always meant a lot to me over the years, all the way back from.
Speaker 4:For somebody listening to this and you know, listening to learning about zero for the first time. Go back and listen to that. Put your AirPods in, make sure you got them, everything's good, do noise cancellation and listen to the wall of sound from beginning to end. It's awesome, because it is. It's an incredible wall of sound that just fills your soul.
Speaker 1:I agree with that 100%. Thank you, that's so sweet, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3:Appreciate it. But I loved New Orleans Ladies. You know that song just really. And Take a Ride on a Riverboat. Those two songs in particular are just fantastic to me.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I think for me, so fired up. Fergie frederickson was one of the one of the best you know. He went on and played with toto for a while and just one of the most awesome tenor voices in rock and roll, I think. So, yeah, I've always been a big fan. Talk to the listeners real quick about upcoming shows for zebrabra if you'd be so kind.
Speaker 5:Oh, I happen to actually have a list right in front of me.
Speaker 3:Voila, oh good.
Speaker 5:Shoot it, Randy, Shoot it. I'm going to, but you know, of course, me and my lack of tech here. Let's see.
Speaker 1:Now he's going to say he's not technical, you can't be both in one interview. You're either technical or you're not, randy, you can't keep flip-flopping back and forth.
Speaker 4:He put it on his computer and now he can't find it.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, it was right up just a second ago. You want me to do?
Speaker 3:it. That's what she said.
Speaker 5:Okay, good, you do it right now. Let's go.
Speaker 3:Okay it right now let's talk, okay. So, uh, actually this weekend, june 14th, we're at the basement east in national tennessee, then june 15th we're at graceland live in memphis, tennessee, and june 16th we're at the hall in little rock, arkansas, and after that we pick back up in september at the tallyho theater in leesburg, virginia. That's september 6. September 7th we September at the Tally Ho Theater in Leesburg, virginia. That's September 6th. September 7th we're at the Lamp Theater in Irwin, pa, which is right outside of Pittsburgh. September 14th we're at the Florida Theater in Jacksonville, florida, and October 3rd is the Coach House in San Juan, capistrano, california, and I want Dana to go to that one.
Speaker 3:And then we're going to be going October 4th at the Canyon Club in Montclair, california, and the Canyon Club in Agora Hills, california which one's closer, dana? And then October 18th is the Newton Theater in Newton, new York, the 19th is Mulcahy's, right here in Wontaw. November 10th is 37, maine and Buford, and then we're playing the Fillmore in New Orleans on November 22nd and November 23rd and then we have the Bergen Pack performing on center in Inglewood, new Jersey, on the 13th of December, the 27th of December, the Capitol Theater in Clearwater, florida, and then the Plaza Live in Orlando, florida, december 28th.
Speaker 4:No New Year's show. Good, I don't have to buy any.
Speaker 1:No New Hills for you.
Speaker 5:I'll give you the 2025 schedule now.
Speaker 4:I'm a little busy until November 5th, a very specific date. Maybe after that I can come catch some dates.
Speaker 1:Didn't you guys have something scheduled in St Charles, illinois? Did I miss that one, felix at the Arcata.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Arcata.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the November 15th, Okay okay, gotcha, have you guys played there before?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we actually played with Angel there the last time, Okay that's a great venue.
Speaker 1:I went up to St Charles to see my friends Bethany Heavenstone and Graham Bonnet play there last year. I like that venue. It's really cool.
Speaker 3:Did you get the chance to go upstairs?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, we well, I'm trying to remember what level it was on. We ate uh dinner on one of the levels there's.
Speaker 3:There's like a um, like a hideaway, like uh. You know what'd you call the uh things? The uh forget what they call the speakeasy speakeasy right, you had to. You had to press the button to get behind right case and all that.
Speaker 1:I did not go there, but I heard about it for sure. Okay, remind the listeners real quick where uh for randy and felix, where the listeners can find you guys on social media oh, they can get a hold of me on Twitter at Felix underscore Zebra.
Speaker 3:Okay For Twitter, or X as they call it now.
Speaker 5:And my stuff is pretty simple it's Randy Jackson Zebra on Facebook, or Randy Jackson of Zebra on Facebook, or Randy Jackson of zebra on Facebook. I have a uh, the Twitter is, I think, rand at Randy Jackson zebra, and uh, if you type in Randy Jackson zebra, you'll usually find where we are. There's a bunch of different zebra sites on Facebook and the zebra, the actual zebra site, let's say. I can go there right now because I don't even know what that is. Zebra Band Okay, yeah, it's Zebra Rock Band. Okay, zebra Rock Band. Zebra Rock Band is the Facebook and if you want to go to the Zebra website, it is at zebrabandcom. You can also go to the doorcom.
Speaker 5:Okay, but uh, but we've we decided to go with zebra bandcom from here on out and we're going to sell the doorcom to, uh, some religious group for about $10 million.
Speaker 1:So now is. That is that a true, is that a?
Speaker 3:true story that is not a true storyandy said you never know. You know he's always stepping right outside the line right, dana steelcom is for sale for that much.
Speaker 4:okay, dana steel million dollars.
Speaker 3:It's a logo isa shoe with champagne in it.
Speaker 4:There you go, I'll. I'll give you some shoes, a bottle of champagne and a website $10 million.
Speaker 1:Well, now that we're on the Dana topic, dana, you remind the listeners where you can be found, you busybody. You've got so much stuff going on, but educate us on At.
Speaker 4:Dana Steele across the board, d-a-y-n-a-s-t-e-e-l-e and danasteelcom. So pretty easy. Just type in Dana Steele on Google and some will be good, some will be bad, some will be interesting, some will have clothes, some won't. There, you go.
Speaker 1:Well, guys, listen. As always, I think I speak for all of the Zebra fans out there when I say we look forward to the new material that you guys have in the pipe, so we can't wait to get our hands on that. Thank you both for taking the time to catch up with me and the global listeners of Backstage Pass Radio. Dana, thank you for being a sweet friend and for joining me on the mic for this episode. I appreciate you and I look forward to playing a little golf with you on Thursday. You guys, yeah, yeah, hopefully we don't burn up, but anyway, you guys make sure to keep an eye out for all things zebra and and Dana. On all things social media. I asked the listeners to like, share, share and subscribe to the podcast on Facebook at Backstage Pass Radio Podcast, on Instagram at Backstage Pass Radio and on the website at BackstagePassRadiocom. You guys remember to take care of yourselves and each other and we'll see you right back here on the next episode of Backstage Pass Radio. Thank you.
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