Sustainable Solutions: Berry Therapy to Fill Your Bucket with Wendy Colcuc

In this episode of Sustainable Solutions, join Wendy Colcuc, a berry farmer in Burgesville, Ontario, Canada and Caitlynne Youmans, a Master’s student at the University of Florida in the Department of Agricultural Education and Communications as they chat about The Colcuc’s agritourism operation, Berrylicious Fruit Farm. 

Wendy and her husband Don purchased this farm property in 2002, and began growing blueberries here in 2004. Now, 20 years later, Wendy shares with Streaming Science their very personal connection to the University of Guelph's Ontario Agricultural College and how their history with the OAC led them to become successful berry farmers in Canada. 

Success for Berrylicious starts and ends with their five guiding principals: quality, customer service, environmental stewardship, safety, and family values. Listen in to learn more about the Colcucs and one of Ontario’s sweetest farms. 

Check out Berrylicious’ website and follow along on their social media below:

https://www.berryliciousfruit.ca/our-story

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Transcript

 Caitlynne: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome back to Sustainable Solutions from Guelph to Gainesville, a podcast brought to you by the Streaming Science Project. Streaming Science is a student driven program that works to connect you with scientists to learn how science impacts all of us and our everyday lives.

Throughout this podcast series, we're not only delving into topics like sustainable agriculture, natural resource, and science communication and literacy, but we're taking an international perspective as we connect with alumni and experts from the University of Wealth, Ontario Agricultural College in Ontario, Canada.

I'm Caitlynne Youmans, a master's student in the Department of Agricultural Education and Communication at the University of Florida, and I am your host for today's episode. In the following episode, I spoke with Wendy Colcuc, a berry farmer from Burgessville, Ontario, Canada. Wendy and her husband, Don, have a rich history with the Ontario Agricultural College and now own and operate an 85 acre berry farm.

In this episode, we will learn Wendy and Don's story and how their farm supports sustainable [00:01:00] agricultural, environmental, and community efforts. So let's get into our conversation with Wendy and explore the sustainable solution She's championing bridging the gap from Guelph to Gainesville.

Thank you so much Wendy for being with me here today Virtually as you are currently in Canada, and I'm all the way down in Florida So it's really awesome that we're able to talk to each other today, and we don't have to even be in the same room 

Wendy: That's amazing. Thank you very much Caitlynne for having me My question is is a blueberry season in Florida right now?

Caitlynne: I don't know if they're quite ready yet, but it will be very soon. I know that it's like, I think towards the end of April is usually when blueberry season is right now. Florida is pushing out strawberries really hard. 

Wendy: My mouth is watering for fresh blueberries, so I can't wait. 

Caitlynne: That's awesome. So we do know that you are a berry [00:02:00] farmer and your farm is open to the public.

So a lot of farms are very closed off and keep their operations private. But that's not like what you do up in Canada. You are in agritourism. And I would love if you could just give me a definition of agritourism and what that means to you and your farm. 

Wendy: Sure. Um, agritourism to me is a, uh, where any agriculturally based operation, um, or activity brings visitors to the farm to do two things.

One is to educate the consumer on our field crops, our berry crops, and then the other part is to entertain the person. Um, so that's how I define agritourism. 

Caitlynne: And Berrylicious Fruit Farm, where you work, is an agritourism operation. Do you want to kind of tell us where that is on the map of Canada? Sure.

Wendy: Our little town of Burgessville is located, um, 15 minute drive off a [00:03:00] major 400 series highway. We're close to Woodstock, Ontario. We're about 1. 5 hours west of Toronto. Um, and then to give you some U. S. markers, we're about two hours away from Detroit, about a two hour drive to Buffalo, and it's about a five hour drive to Grand Rapids.

So, um, we're pretty, pretty close to the U. S. 

Caitlynne: Yeah, you're just pretty much right over the border. 

Wendy: Absolutely. 

Caitlynne: That's awesome. So are agritourism farms popular in Canada or are you kind of one of a kind up there? 

Wendy: I would say that agritourism. is probably more well developed in the United States as we take trips to the various states.

We find that it is a much more developed industry here in the US compared to Ontario. That being said, there are more and more agritourism based farm businesses that are opening up their doors to the [00:04:00] consumer. We're finding that People, especially the, uh, Gen Zed and Millennials are very, very interested in where their food comes from.

And so, if that's what they're looking for, then we're happy to tell them how we grow our crops. Help them to, to put a face to a farmer. Because there's, there's only about, Two and a half percent of, um, the population of Canada are actually involved in some type of agriculture. So that means that 97 and a half percent of the people probably do not know a lot about agriculture or have never even met a, a farmer.

And so by opening up our doors, this allows. Um, the very interested consumers are guests to ask the questions they want to, and we are happy to answer the questions. So, it's again, the agritourism, it's education and entertainment. 

Caitlynne: I love that so much that you guys open your, open your farm to guests to learn about [00:05:00] agriculture because it's so important.

And I agree that you have, we have definitely seen people are becoming more interested and wanting to go to the farm as agritourism operations pop up around the world. So I'm really grateful that you guys have that all the way up in Canada. Um, I do know that your farm did not start out as a berry farm.

I remember you telling me that it started out as a tobacco farm. Would you like to give me a little bit of history about where it started and where you guys are at today? 

Wendy: Sure. So back, um, in 2002, when we bought the farm, this was a cash crop operation. Um, somebody rented the land from the owner and they grew corn, soybeans.

And it was, had been a tobacco farm for a lot of years. The soil was depleted. The farm needed a lot of TLC. And in 2004, a good friend of ours came to us and said, We have 3, 000 blueberry plants. Their plan at the time was to plant them as a complimentary crop to their strawberries. So [00:06:00] they were strawberry farmers.

And at the 11th hour, our friends decided that blueberries was just not what they should do. So they went to their neighbors, friends, and asked who would like to buy 3, 000 blueberry plants. So when Don came home with this news, it took me back quite a bit. because neither Don or I had ever grown blueberries.

But with Don's experience on his farm in Niagara on the Lake, he grew up, um, growing nursery plants, tender fruit nursery plants, such as peaches, pears, apricots. And, uh, it's a very intensive form of agriculture to grow nursery, So I had full faith in Don that he knew what, how to grow, um, blueberries. And so together we took the leap of faith and, uh, it's been 20 years now.

We planted them in the fall of 2004 and 20 years later, we've made almost every mistake in the book. And yet these blueberry plants are still here. [00:07:00] And, um, yeah, that's a little bit of the background. 

Caitlynne: Well, happy 20th anniversary to Berrylicious Fruit Farm. How exciting that I get the opportunity to share about Berrylicious on Streaming Science during Berrylicious’ 20th anniversary.

In these past 20 years, have you only been learning from your mistakes or have you had some formal education on growing blueberries? 

Wendy: It's a lifelong learning process. Blueberries are a very tricky plant to grow because of the soil type. Um, they require, um, a soil type that has a lower pH of about four to five and a half.

Um, so if you don't have that type of soil, it makes it very difficult to grow. And for the the plants to be healthy. We have had no formal education with blueberry production, but we are extremely grateful for the Michigan State University and their agricultural [00:08:00] extension with particular with blueberries.

And, uh, we're just so very thankful that, um, we have this resource. So at the beginning, we bought a Michigan State University book on how to grow blueberries. So that's been our, um, Bible for blueberry production. And then, um, to enhance that, uh, probably for the last 10, 12 years, we have been going to the great lakes fruit and vegetable convention in grand rapids, where they have sessions, um, every year on blueberry production.

And, uh, that's been a great help for just continued education. It's a lifelong learning. That's for sure. 

Caitlynne: So, even though you don't have, you know, a bachelor's degree in blueberry growing, you have a lot of knowledge and that you and your husband have developed over 20 years, which is great. Um, so you guys do, however, have a history with the University of Guelph, specifically the Ontario Agriculture College.

I would love to hear more about, um, your [00:09:00] family history with that. 

Wendy: It's rather exciting because, um, our Ontario Agriculture College, uh, which is one of the colleges within the University of Guelph, is actually celebrating its 150th anniversary. So, as I was doing some digging around and speaking to one of my cousins who is also a University of Guelph, Ontario Agriculture, College grad.

He informed me that my great-grandfather attended the Ontario Agriculture College and graduated in 1878. And so we've had graduates from the University of, uh, from Ontario Agriculture College and the University of Guelph from 1878 until 2023. Uh, my Great-grandfather attended. I'm looking at my.

grandfather's composite picture, um, from Ontario Agriculture College from 1908. Um, and then I've had, um, a cousin who's attended, um, two nieces who have graduated, um, Dawn and myself have [00:10:00] graduated, and now we have the next generation. My, um, our, our Two sons and our daughter currently attend University of Guelph.

One of them just graduated with a master's in plant biology with the Ontario Agriculture College. Our other son, he just graduated from a mechanical engineering degree at Guelph, and our oldest daughter, she's in her third year of human kinetics. And then finally, our youngest daughter, she is, uh, plans to apply for the University of Guelph, Ontario Agriculture College next year.

Caitlynne: Uh, this whole season of Streaming Science is all about the research that scientists are doing at the University of Guelph and we're just kind of talking to scientists. Um, a lot of the students in my class have a lot of different topics that scientists at University of Guelph are researching, but I was very lucky to get a topic that I'm super passionate about, which is agritourism and was able to talk to you.

And even though, you know, you're not a. scientist with a lab coat at the University of Guelph, [00:11:00] you do a lot of research on your own farm. And I know that you've shared with me some of the things that your kids have helped you like learn and develop over the years. Um, so it's really great. You don't have to be a lab coat scientist to make a positive impact in agriculture.

And I love hearing that, that part of your story. 

Wendy: Absolutely. We've been very fortunate with our son who, um, uh, again, graduated with his master's. He, uh, did a two year research project, uh, not with berries, but what was really exciting about it was his learning about, um, how to create, how to do research, and, uh, and then how to create your, um, your, your pro, your science project.

So he has, um, helped us with, um, an elderberry trial, an on farm, just privately funded elderberry trial to look at the most, um, efficient way of weeding elderberries. And so with his experience, um, of, of doing a research trial, he was able to conduct that research trial and we, we got the [00:12:00] results last year and it's.

It's making a big difference already. So it's, it's, it's amazing. 

Caitlynne: That's awesome. So you're very good with the background now in growing the berries and now you're doing elderberry trials and all those things. How do you actually get people to the farm? Like, what do you do? What are your marketing strategies of bringing people, you know, to your agritourism?

Wendy: It's a good question and, um, it takes a lot, um, because of our location. You've probably heard the term that location, location, location is the utmost importance for, um, a business. Our business is located on a very rural road in rural Oxford County. Um, it's a gravel road. We're surrounded by dairy farms, cash crop farms, hog farms, and now a berry farm that's nestled in amongst this road.

And it has charm because it is so rural and quiet and peaceful. But that is also a challenge. double edged sword because it's hard to get people [00:13:00] down a back road. That's, it takes five minutes of driving on a gravel road, um, off of a main highway. So not everybody wants to make that drive because sometimes it's, um, a wet day and the roads are very mucky and it might require a car wash afterwards.

So just, if you. Do the visual there. It makes marketing very important to us. So we try to direct market our berry products to, um, local customers around our town, county, um, and all across Ontario, really. Um, and we do that by, um, our on farm market. We attend three farmers markets that are in cities about, uh, one hour away from us.

And then we also have a pick your own operation. And then, um, of course, COVID put a wrench into things and we pivoted to some online sales. So we have, uh, also have an online website, uh, berryliciousfruit. ca, and that's where we [00:14:00] do online sales. We also, uh, wholesale to farm markets and to vendors who attend farmers markets.

Specifically to elderberries, we do a lot of wholesaling to bakeries and restaurants and wineries who want to make elderberry wine. Um, and the other thing we've, in the last, In seven years, we've been really trying some new and interesting ideas, uh, we started doing some improving our brand by developing and hosting theme days on weekends during berry season.

And then in 2018, I took a really interesting course. Remember we talked about lifelong learning and I learned about the experiential tourism market. Um, and through that course, I was able to develop a picnic experience where we invite. customers out to the farm. They get to, um, learning about, uh, blueberry production through taste testing and also through trivia questions.

So after we get done that, they get to fill their very own bucket of blueberries. So they do some pick your [00:15:00] own. And then after that, they eat a lovely picnic lunch that's served right at a picnic table. Uh, and then afterwards they get to spend some time together with their family playing unplugged games.

The, the, market segment would be pretty well anybody who likes to picnic and have food and eat blueberries. So, uh, it's been a very good experience for us to develop. The only other thing, uh, I will mentioned, um, we really, really appreciate some of the small businesses right around our area. Within our, a five minute drive in this rural township, we have four local businesses and we now collaborate with one another and we offer a yearly, we call it the Rural Routes Car Tour, or another word for it is gravel travel.

So people will do a one day road trip and go to these four different places and experience, uh, rural Oxford. And that's been a highlight as well. Um, the other things that we do, we offer programs through the season, like we do a, um, Monday meditation in the blueberry patch, [00:16:00] um, which we, uh, created in 2023 to promote healing and recovery from, uh, the burnout and mental exhaustion brought on by the pandemic, and, uh, of course, the isolation that was felt.

So, those are some of the things that we have offered, and we've got some other new things for 2024 coming up that I'll talk about later. 

Caitlynne: I think it's really awesome, your story about the gravel road, because I think that it's important for people to see that agriculture is not super cookie cutter all the time and everything is not always perfectly paved and it's okay to get a little muddy and it's okay to go out on the farm and actually see a real operation, um, in person.

So I really appreciate that part of your story. And I do know that another part of your farm story is about sustainability and you guys care a lot about the environment and the world around you. And so I would just love to hear what sustainability means to you and Berrylicious Fruit Farm. 

Wendy: The [00:17:00] environmental sustainability that I'm speaking of, the definition that I would use is the responsibility to conserve natural resources.

and to protect global ecosystems to support the health and well being for our generation, but also for future generations. So with having young children, um, who've grown up on the farm in the last 20 years, Don and I have felt a great sense of responsibility. To be environmental stewards every single day.

Um, and, and then that way we can be sustainable. Um, what's really beautiful about, um, this farming area being in deep in the rural parts of Oxford County, we are immersed in nature. We're surrounded by forests. We're surrounded by diverse wildlife. We have beavers and foxes and coyotes. We have three ponds on our farm.

So we see snapping turtles and painted turtles and muskrats, you know, swimming in the water. We even have a pair of blue herons that love to come in and, [00:18:00] um, feed from the fully stocked ponds. We have wild turkeys that we can hear in the morning as we're pruning. I see swal, uh, barn swallows, um, which are on the endangered species, uh, species list.

We have a whole host of bird species, some of them that do like blueberries and some of them that don't like blueberries. And finally, we have a plethora of, of, uh, pollinators. As farmers and as stewards of the land, we, we have to balance our daily activities to equally care for the land. And we also have the, um, you know, we have to balance out the daily care of our crop that we're entrusted to grow and also to care for the wildlife and pollinators in our area.

And the reason we think about it every day is, uh, our five guiding principles in our business guide us for all of those decisions we make to stay sustainable. The five guiding principles for our farm include, um, quality. We want to provide customers with quality, fresh, sweet berries. Customer service is another [00:19:00] one of our guiding principles.

We love to see customers continue to come year after year after year. The third principle is safety. Um, on the farm, we want to ensure that, uh, with having three ponds here that we keep everybody safe, um, children safe, customers, our guests safe, our employees safe, and food safety is a top priority too.

Our fourth guiding principle has to do with family values. We've always agreed that families that farm together and work together stay together. And then, um, environmental stewardship. That's a balance of agriculture, best practices, combined with minimizing our footprints on, on nature. And, uh, we take that very seriously, Caitlynne.

Caitlynne: And so in the environmental stewardship, um, guiding principle for your farm, you have three pillars that relate to your sustainability practices. I would love if you could just share with me what those three are and kind of a little bit about each of them. So, um, yeah, you're absolutely right. 

Wendy: Um, sustainability to me, um, comes [00:20:00] in three forms.

It comes, uh, there's the environmental sustainability. There's also the human experience. I'm and also the community sustainability. So I'll go through each one of those and a little bit more detail. Our number one priority for the, um, first pillar, the environmental sustainability comes to water conservation.

I mentioned that we have three ponds located on our, on our farm and we're, we're, we're Very blessed to have a good supply of water because our summer weather patterns in southern Ontario mainly produce scattered showers and thunderstorms at best. There's very few general rain systems that, that come in through the summer.

And that is unfortunate because our berry crops and our need their water, um, in July and August when those berries are, are sizing up and ripening. We take water conservation very seriously and in 2005, after we realized that blueberries needed a lot of water, which we didn't know in [00:21:00] 2004 when we, Um, planted our, our, uh, first crop and lost 10 percent of our crop in the first year.

Mistake number one. We implemented a drip irrigation system. A little bit of background. Drip irrigation, um, delivers little droplets of water right to the shallow root system of the blueberry. And that provides conservation of water. The drip irrigation reduces. evaporation, um, water drift if it's a windy day, and it also reduces wasteful water amounts that you might otherwise see in overhead irrigation.

So, back to my story of losing 10 percent of our, our plants in the first year, blueberries do require one inch of rainfall Or the equivalent of irrigation every week during the active growth phase, we, we need to find an efficient way to do that. So that's where drip irrigation has been very, um, very good.

But we are continually modifying the irrigation system. to try to improve and further conserve water. [00:22:00] Uh, one of the things that we've done is we've doubled our line of, um, of irrigation drip tape, um, to deliver more water, um, over a shorter period of time. And, um, the other thing that we are now looking at is a, um, another water conservation method, um, called a, uh, pulsation system.

And basically what that will do is it will deliver larger amounts of water right to the root system, um, for a shorter period of time, more frequently. And so what it means is that there should be less, uh, water loss or water, uh, Percolation down to the soil because the blueberry root system is very, very shallow.

So once that water gets too far down, uh, it can't be used. So the pulsation system is something that we're, um, thinking of implementing in the next 18 months, probably. So, um, that's the one, um, environmental conservation method is water conservation. The other thing that we try to do is maintain our [00:23:00] habitat for pollinators.

I mentioned that our farm is surrounded with nature and we are surrounded by bush and scrub brush. all the way around the perimeter of our farm. Unlike many farms in southwestern Ontario that have removed their fence rows to produce larger fields easier to work, we have chosen to maintain those fence rows and the bush and the scrub, um, so we can enhance our natural habitat.

Uh, the other thing that we do is we maintain sod between our blueberry rows. Um, this we discovered is a nesting area for native bumblebees, um, who are solitary in nature. And so those little bumblebees will come out in the springtime from, um, the, the, the ground around the, uh, blueberries. And, uh, yeah, they're right there to pollinate.

So that's a, uh, win win situation for everybody. 

Caitlynne: Okay. So that's the more environmental sustainability that you guys focus on at Berrylicious. I do know that you really enjoy focusing on like a human emotional [00:24:00] sustainability piece as well. Would you like to talk a little bit about that? 

Wendy: Sure. I've been part of a meditation group, um, which is online.

It's actually in the United States and, um, it's the meditation group has really helped me to move beyond, um, The effects of COVID and believe me, there are so many people in Ontario and Canada, and I'm assuming in the United States that are just beginning to process the effects of COVID shutdowns, the fear, the isolation and the disconnection from loved ones for years.

And that's really had an impact, a negative impact on our mental health. So having this morning meditation habit that I've created, that I've developed or that I now see is so important. Um, we are now trying to offer opportunities to people to improve their mental wellbeing. That could be from pick your own [00:25:00] opportunities and our picnic experiences where guests immerse themselves in, in nature.

At the same time while they're picking berries, they're completing this repetitive task of picking berries. There is a growing body of evidence that um, a repetitive task such as picking berries or maybe weeding the garden or washing dishes. It helps to push the scatterbrain and anxious thoughts to the back seat and it allows the simple task to take the steering wheel and it helps to calm the mind into a more neutral to peaceful feeling.

So we call it Our, our customers have called it berry therapy over the years, and it's just a way of connecting back to nature and, and feeling some, some peace and harmony. Yeah. It's the human experience. And I think that's an important part of sustainability too. 

Caitlynne: And going off of the human experience, you also care a lot about the community.

So would you like to talk a little bit about the sustainability aspect of there? 

Wendy: This part really excites me. It's [00:26:00] really, um, speaks to me and, uh, we, we believe in social responsibility to give back to our communities. Uh, we've thought about this for years, um, and our, and our business model helps us with this.

Uh, we hire all local staff that are anywhere from You know, uh, teenage years up to university age. And we've been successful with, um, finding those local, um, people, including our own four children, have done age appropriate tasks on the farm for years. Uh, another thing that we do, we, we purchase our crop inputs and food ingredients from local suppliers.

I mentioned that we collaborate with other local businesses to offer events and activities, and also to cross market our products with The other, uh, businesses, which is fantastic. The other thing that we do, we like to give back to our local community, um, to those who may have difficulty, uh, sourcing vitamin rich berries on a shoestring budget.

We started a program in 2017 called pick a [00:27:00] pint for charity where our customers supply their labour to pick the berries and Berrylicious supplies or donates the berries. And then those berries are frozen and then donated at the end of the season to a local outreach agency called Operation Sharing in Woodstock.

Operation Sharing offers meals three days a week and those berries are sometimes used in desserts. And then the final thing that, um, I'm. Very proud of is that we do try to donate our time to, uh, uh, volunteer at the soup kitchen, uh, that does offer nutritious quality meals and, um, for, for the homeless and the less fortunate in the area.

Caitlynne: I think a lot of times we miss out on hearing how farms are impacting communities more than just farmers. being open to them or selling their produce. So it's really inspiring to hear that real farmers care about their community in more ways than that, than just the one. So I really, really love that you guys are so ingrained into your community and help [00:28:00] grow and, um, promote just happiness around, you know, your county and also just around your area.

So I really, really like that. 

Wendy: I, I do have to say as I, um, donate my time and I'm doing meal prep at Operation Shearing, I am constantly amazed at the outpouring of generosity from many farms and many farm, local farm markets in the area that donate product. It's heartwarming to see what a local farming community can do to improve food insecurity.

Caitlynne: I think that just speaks to you guys being a small family farm, not a giant huge operation. And so you care a lot about the people and the humans that, um, buy your products and live around your community. And you don't just care about the cashflow, which I know that's also an important part of farming, but it's really, really inspiring to hear that.

So, you're doing the succession planting. We talked about the pulsation system. Are there [00:29:00] any other things that you guys are, um, considering doing in the future or where your farm is headed next? 

Wendy: Very much so. We are hopeful to, uh, so I should go back and say that our four crops that we have right now, we have 12 and a half acres of, of berries.

That's five acres of blueberries, seven acres of elderberries, and a quarter acre of raspberries, and then just a young planting of apples. And for this year, our, uh, apple production will start, our harvest will start, and we'll be offering pick your own for, um, Apples, and that will also go very well with our, our, uh, two and a half acres of pumpkins and vegetables that we produce.

We think the next step will be expanding the apples, um, if things go well with this trial run. Yeah, it's, it's, I think that's where we're going to head next. 

Caitlynne: Now my mouth is just watering thinking about fresh blueberries, fresh crispy apples. I might have [00:30:00] to run to the store and just get some fruit to bring home with me today because this has been such a great conversation learning about you, Wendy, your husband, your family, and of course Berrylicious Fruit Farm.

Is there anything else that you would like to share before we head out today? 

Wendy: I can't wait to have a fresh blueberry. That's number one. I, uh, have a little story to tell you that a number of years ago, um, we went down to Florida in April. The kids asked me one day, what are we going to do? We were very, we were in Kissimmee.

Um, and I said to them, you know, I think there's a pick your own blueberry operation right around here. I think we should go pick blueberries. 

Caitlynne: They were probably like, uh, Mom, we picked blueberries our whole lives. We're on vacation. Why are we here? 

Wendy: Absolutely. Once we got to the blueberry operation, started picking the blueberries and tasted a fresh one, it was just like coming home.

So, uh, I can't wait for the blueberry season and raspberry [00:31:00] season to start. 

Caitlynne: And, of course, if you guys want to learn more about Berrylicious Fruit Farms, you can visit their website at www. berryliciousfruit, that's L I C I O U S fruit. ca. And, um, follow them online, on social media, and keep up with their farm and what they're doing.

And thank you so much, Wendy, for being with me here today again. I am so excited to follow your farm through the years, see what happens next, and I might be having to order some blueberries straight to Florida because that sounds so good. 

Wendy: Thanks, Caitlynne, and I hope that we get to meet one another personally someday.

Caitlynne: Thank you so much for listening to the Sustainable Solutions: From Guelph to Gainesville series on the Streaming Science podcast. Make sure to check out our website and social media for more of our work.

If you enjoyed this episode, we encourage you to tune into other episodes in our series and to visit the University of Guelph OAC webpages and social media for more info. 

I’m your host Caitlynne Youmans, thank you so much for listening. For more information about this episode, visit the links in our shownotes.