Emily Rose UNFILTERED: An Examination of the VPR & Summer House Fandom

Emily Rose is BACK *SOLO* with some slightly botched audio halfway thru! Power through that & you'll get some unfiltered takes on the Vanderverse, Summer House Reunion, The Bravo fandom & more!! Thank you to everyone for being so patient as she returns to the pod!! 

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Transcript

  Hello, hello, hello. God damn. God damn, this is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose. I brought back the, uh, the OG intro for some of you who have asked me where it went, why I stopped saying God damn. I'll tell you, I stopped because I had an idea. Well, first of all, it's a lot to say, just to say hello.

You know what I'm saying? Second of all, I thought that maybe I would try to transition to YouTube and it's not that that thought is over yet,  uh, but I thought it would be a good. Probably good practice because you can't cuss within the first 60 seconds or something for monetization. And so obviously I'd also have to say TF instead of the fuck.

And it sounds not fun to be honest with you, but  that's why I cut that out. If anyone was wondering, some of you were  guys, welcome back. Welcome back to the show. It's been. a while since I have just sat down and really talked to you guys for a solo episode to talk about anything and everything. And I wanted to explain, I know I've explained why I was absent because of my gallbladder surgery.

Uh, and then I just kind of took a little break because honestly, I've been recording on other people's podcasts for the past week and a half. So I certainly could have, you know, Come on the mic, you know, by myself,  but I wanted to wait. I was waiting, hopefully for Lindsay, who I am going to finally, we're going to record a final Vanderpump Rules thoughts, podcasts and all that.

We are going to do that. Uh, but we had to, I had to feel good. She had to feel good in our schedules, had to match up and that just wasn't working. So now it has. So look forward to that.  I also wanted to come on and I'll plug the podcast that I was going to be on that or that I will be on. Bye. In the next couple of weeks, I'll plug that at the end, so stay tuned for that. 

I also wanted to come on and just give some thoughts that are  my own. I feel like when I'm a guest or when I have a guest, I kind of rope people in to my perspective and I don't want them To do that, necessarily,  all the time, because I know that everybody doesn't feel the same way as me.  But, there's some things on Vanderpump Rules that I want to touch on, some Summer House things that I want to touch on, and if you guys have been listening to, first plug, me on Rob Schulte's coverage of The Goat, which is the Amazon free v show that Chris and Dodie's on, the reality competition show that was filmed here in Atlanta,  you'll hear some of my Summer House thoughts. 

But I kind of want to do  a little bit of just a check in. With how I'm feeling about the fandom and then I want to  I might do another episode later that actually has people that are involved with like reddit and Twitter that have dissenting perspectives or similar perspectives and Really dive into it But then I kind of want to put it to rest because I don't want to sit here in every single episode fucking complain about The fandom.

I know that that's tiresome for you all to listen to. It's tiresome for me to think about. It, like, really gets me wound up and I didn't realize it, guys, until I was, I was kind of off social media a couple days before my surgery, a couple days after, just because  I was feeling not well and being on my phone makes me sick and so I just wasn't. 

And I realized that, like, the first time that my anxiety kicked in was when I checked Reddit like a couple of days after surgery.  And it's because I just,  I'll be totally candid.  And I'm not on Twitter as much, so some I feel like I can I see more balanced shit from Twitter because I follow, uh, I guess, maybe, a better, diverse set of people. 

But, there's I think there's something wrong with the subreddit. About Vanderpump Rules,  and I also think that there may be something wrong with the fandom of Bravo, not just Vanderpump Rules at large.  Because it feels like there is this need from many fans  to demand things of the show that are either unreasonable, in my opinion, or  parasocial. 

And I say that because it feels like  I understand.  I understand having watched certain people for 10 plus years that you can feel really attached to the, the stars of the shows.  But it, it gets weird when, to me, when people start to assert who people should be friends with based on things that they are creating in these online spaces.

So  In my opinion, Stassi should not be friends with Sheena because in Season 3, Sheena outed her ass and showed her sex tape to a lot of people. That is a solid reason that was brought up on camera that I think, and that has been brought up, not even just on camera, but  has been brought up publicly, has been stated by Stassi that I think is a good reason for someone not to be friends with Sheena.

Plus, they just don't like each other.  What happened in what's happening in the What Reddit's now is people are  Assigning  what they think, they're not just projecting their own experience, they're like cosplaying  their experience. So, it's different to be like, oh, I've been cheated on by a piece of shit, and I had to also completely like shut him out, did not interact, did not deal with him, and good for Arianne and fuck the people who's saying she shouldn't.

I think that's fair.  When it gets to be In my opinion, a little much is when  you're saying how Ariana feels about Sheena, which she has never said. Ariana has never said she was betrayed by Sheena. Ariana has never said that she was abused by Tom Sandoval. Ariana has never said that she expects for Lala to rise up and, and fight battles right beside her.

Like, these are not things that Ariana has said. Because Ariana is a private person and so attributing that to her and then bashing the real people online because you think that's what she should do if she hasn't said it is like,  it's hard to have a discussion that way. And on Reddit, in particular, what happens is people abuse the upvoting and downvoting system. 

Downvoting is not meant as, and I know everyone does it, I definitely do it and have done it, but downvoting is not meant to  say like, oh, I don't agree with your opinion.  It's to discourage off topic or just, you know, not something that's not relevant to the discussion or that completely derails a discussion.

That's what it's for so that the discussion can stay on topic and be productive. When you downvote things that you disagree with,  In an already biased forum, and the, because if the forum is biased towards  positivity and not being critical of Ariana,  even though that's not what the forum is for, right?

This isn't a Sheena and Lala snark subreddit. This is a Vanderpump Rules Reddit. If it was a Sheena and Lala snark subreddit, then the topic would be Sheena and Lala snarking. It would be talking shit about them. That's the point of a snark subreddit.  Vanderpump Rules is not supposed to function that way.

So you should be able, reasonably, to say like, Hey,  Ariana expects a lot out of a lot of people that's inconvenienced for a lot of people for someone who is getting paid to be on a reality show.  Now that might be controversial. You might not agree with me. But there might be people that do. And it just seems to me that there's something going on with the subreddit  where discussion is muted and discouraged. 

And at the end of the day, it's like, I can't, I guess I get frustrated because I can't figure out why the fuck it's like that. Why is the subreddit like that?  And there's other subreddits. And me and Lindsey have joked a lot about  We joked a lot about Vanderpumpaholics and Blocked by Jax, but hey,  for what it's worth, Blocked by Jax is just literally exactly what it claims to be, which is essentially  a snark page for Britney if you guys don't know what a snark page is, they are dedicated subreddits literally just to shitpost on whatever the subject is.

It doesn't, it's not always a celebrity, it can be on like a product or a television show or something like that. But.  Like, the Coleen Ballinger snark page, the Kardashian snark page, is a wild place to be. Blocked by Jax is a wild place to be, but that's what it's for. Vanderpumpaholics is another subreddit that was, this is gonna sound so crazy, so, uh, skip ahead.

Like, five minutes. If you don't give a shit about Reddit, which I understand.  The Vanderpumpaholics subreddit was made as a response to the Vanderpump Rules subreddit, getting,  like, being too, the rules being too stringent, which was a problem that, if you've listened for a while, I've had with their rules. 

And then that sub kind of got taken over and it just feels to me like  there is some sort of someone in the ether, someone in PR is like working on these social media sites to  push narratives and plant ideas and  that is something that we should obviously always be conscious of across all social media platforms because it can happen.

But I've just been having a hard time in the Vanderpump Rules subreddit.  Because then, someone that I know was in there that is a reality television producer and was trying to explain to people the perspective, which is oftentimes, guys, fucking money. Like,  I said this on my episode with Lindsey, one of them recently,  Alex Baskin, in my opinion, I think that he is vying for a network position. 

I think that he wants To cement his, like, producer career, get that network money, and drop these shows. I don't think he wants to be a lead producer anymore. Maybe he does. He's not moving like someone that is. He's moving like an executive.  And  the reason I think that is because I feel like there are decisions that are made, things that are said and pushed,  that are in the interest of making money for the show.

NBCUniversal and for Bravo, not necessarily for producing great content or being particularly creative or telling great stories.  That being said,  anybody can come on and, and, and  rage bait people and it's happening to me too, right? But it's just weird because  I, let's take the example of when Sheena took that picture with that fan, she was next to Tom Sandoval. 

The subreddit made that a big deal. If you look at a picture and you, and I don't know how else to phrase it. I know someone out there has a better grasp on it, but if I look at a picture and someone that  is standing next to someone that I perceive they shouldn't stand next to, and then I take that and I say, okay, I don't think she should stand next to Tom Sandoval.

That's a fair thing for me to say. It's not fair for me to say, um, She's standing next to Tom Sandoval. She's totally forgiven him. They're best friends. I knew it. I knew that she would become best friends with him and she would drop Ariana and she would betray her and leave her on the curb to die. It's like, dude,  maybe the, maybe the point is she just shouldn't be hanging out with Tom Sandoval. 

And maybe that's not an interesting point for me to have, but the levels that people are jumping to for the conspiracy, for the, and like, the way that people care if these co workers of Ariana's are  betraying her, which I'm using air quotes,  is extraordinary to me. We should not be that invested because they are not that invested in us. 

I think that's what I've been really settling on lately. With the discourse is You guys can ride all day long for Ariana for Katie for Lala if you want I don't think that's a great choice, but you know if you want  you can ride for whoever you want to  But they're not necessarily riding for you all and I think If I'm going to be parasocial, if you'll allow me to be for a second while I'm scolding you people, and I'm not scolding my listeners because I know many of you would not still be listening at this point. 

I think that it's more likely that when Ariana and Katy hear that you, that people are theorizing and hypothesizing about their real life relationships to a point that it's like driving negativity,  they're probably thinking that you guys are weirdos. And they're probably making fun of you. Cause while I think that Ariana may very well be very nice to her fans,  in person, uh, I don't know that she's I don't think that she I don't think that she's super grateful for the show. 

And I don't think I would be either. Because I think that the show has brought her a lot of stress and trauma.  And  I think it's fair. But I also think You ever had like a co worker I'm that co worker right now. You ever had a co worker that's like leaving their job? And,  as they're leaving, their give a dams busted, as Jodi Messina would say.

They do not give a fuck anymore. They will show up late. They will not participate in, in meetings. They will not bring their board presentation. They, they will not answer the phones. They do not give a fuck about the door. Whatever it is that is a part of it. Applicable to your workspace just the person who's about to quit and everyone knows they're about to quit and they have given up all fucks  That I think has been Ariana for a minute.

I think before Scandaval, that was kind of her attitude I think she was miserable doing Vanderpump Rules not in like a misogynistic way like I think it literally brought her like sadness and misery and anxiety and I don't think she wanted to participate in the reality show shenanigans  Which I think is totally fair.

But I think that when Scandival hit, and she was finally in the spotlight, and something good from the show was coming out of it, for her, she didn't know how to handle it.  And she still kind of felt like, fuck this show and fuck you people, which is fair.  But it also makes for producing a show for everybody else around her, I'm sure, very annoying. 

And I think that's okay to say. Now again, that's me being parasocial ish. I don't think I'm being parasocial in that, but  I understand if you want to say that I am. Totally.  I just think that that's how making a show works. And back to my point, the friend of mine who was in the subreddit trying to explain how money drives a lot of the production decisions that are made.

For example, if Ariana isn't available to film a scene, they kind of have to they have a budget, and they have to work around that budget, and  Do all kinds of things and if Tom Sandoval is willing to film every damn thing Well, then I'm gonna go film with Tom Sandoval I'm not gonna sit here and waste my resources trying to like figure out how to make you like the  Primary, you know person and I know that she did she definitely ended up filming with him But I wonder  I think that it's easy for us to be like, Oh, well, she filmed with him.

Like, yeah, she did, but  at the end of the day, there's so much time that goes into making this show, and she filmed, like, a total of four scenes.  And so I can imagine that, like, and they were all group scenes, which is fine. She doesn't need to s She doesn't need to do it one on one with him. Please don't get me wrong there, child.

No one wants to see that shit.  I'm just saying, I think that if she had been a little more flexible, it would have been a little easier, and I'm not saying she has to be flexible. I understand though why others would say, hey, maybe suck it up for like, if this is gonna be your last hurrah.  Maybe just suck it up. 

And I know that that's maybe insensitive. I, I'm, that's not my terminology. I'm kind of mocking or, uh, echoing what it sounds like Lala's trying to say.  And maybe that's not a healthy thing to say for her. From them. But, uh, I get it.  I understand the perspective and I, I just wish that more people would be open to understanding other perspectives because I, I, I fear,  I fear that one day  I think the glass is going to shatter with all of them.

I think that they have all participated, unfortunately, in a lot of behavior that in 2014 was probably fine. Societally, we didn't think much of, but I think that as it goes on and is protected and defended and covered up.  I think in like 2025 we may not be as forgiving as an audience and I kind of warned about this before season 11. 

I said there's only one way the show can happen. It's if they completely break the fourth wall and they actually talk about the things that go on and their actual dynamics. Something that I, I, Not to harp too much on Sheena, because I know I don't want to make people mad with how much I love Sheena, okay?

But,  I didn't, I guess, I didn't presume that Ariana and Sheena were actually, like, truly best friends. Like, I didn't presume that of anyone. The only people that I thought were, like, genuinely best friends going into Season 11 were Sheena and Lala, and, if you'll recall, I said something to the extent of, Sheena, blink twice if you need help.

Because when Lala purchased that first house, I had a, I parasocially felt like Sheena was being trapped into a situation with someone that she felt uneasy about.  Maybe that's me really reaching, but you know, that was my initial vibe about it, but then I think that through the bonding of their children, I think that that  creates a different type of, I don't know if loyalty is the right, uh, the right thing to say, but  it definitely creates a different kind of,  understanding and a different kind of depth to a friendship than maybe just being on a show or being co workers or whatever, knowing each other for so long maybe would. 

Speaking of Lala, and this is the last thing I'll talk about Vanderpump Rules before I say some stuff about Summerhouse.  Lala  has always been extremely problematic  and I have done my best to articulate that on this show and I remember when I listened to that one Juicy Scoop episode  of where Lala came on and she talked to Heather MacDonald and her verbiage and the way that she spoke about the situation with Randall, much like how Kristen speaks about James. 

Just exactly how careful she is, how mindful she was, the things that she was alluding to made me feel like the situation with Randall is so much more dire than  Anything that we have been blatantly told on camera,  and I think while I am, I also feel like Lala, and especially at the time, needed to take a little bit of accountability for how she behaved. 

Around that relationship, her expectations for the relationship, how she behaved towards Amber Childers in that relationship, all of that is on her. And I believe at 24, 25, you, you do need to take accountability, especially like her being sober. I'm not, she hasn't really shown to me until maybe this season that she's been interested in. 

So if I'm wrong about that, please correct me, but she has not given, I'm going through a program, in my opinion.  So,  her verbiage and stuff has always been about Randall, or especially in the past couple of years, something that I think,  I just think that what happened with him is so much more severe.  And then, so I understand why she would have trouble understanding  Ariana's position. 

If it's like inconveniencing everybody else, because the situation that Lala was in is, to me,  uh, Probably, you can't just, she can't just grey rock Randall and then,  and then her problems are over. And,  Not that greyrocking is easy. Don't get me wrong. I've never been able to do it. I've never been able to do that I don't think  but I I can see why there's resentment there and you can feel however you want about her being resentful but I think it's  Disingenuous to be like no, there's no way she could how could she possibly and you can't compare trauma and look  I understand that, like, I understand that from a broad sense, like, it's not really fair to, like, compare, like, emotional abuse to physical abuse. 

But I think it is fair to say, like, the stakes for which Lala's situation with her ex and the breakup are higher than the stakes with Ariana and her breakup with Tom based on what we know.  And what we know about Tom is that he is an extremely egotistical and manipulative person who likes a lot of attention and has a very fragile ego, who does not like to be outshined by a female, doesn't seem to like women very much at all, and, uh, is very insecure about his sex.

Parts, I feel, and is, gets like way too much gratification, in my opinion, out of sexuality. And therefore, because he is mischievous and manipulative, feels like it's appropriate to lie and cheat rather than  end a relationship because he likes to kind of wallow in some type of misery. I think that that's, excuse me, I just, uh, knocked lots of things off of my nightstand.

Hopefully you didn't hear that.  I think that that's appropriate to say about Tom Sandoval.  If you disagree, that's cool. Uh, I think that Lala really  has a lot more tied up in her breakup. And her X isn't on the show anymore, and it's just different,  but I think it's fair to say that, like, one has higher stakes than the other, and that doesn't mean that I'm, like, comparing trauma.

Very last thing I'll say about VPR, I know I said that a couple of seconds ago.  I'm just gonna be honest, like, you can't make me like Katie, guys. Um,  I,  you just, it's just, it's not gonna happen. I'm so sorry.  I'm sorry if that makes me  Like a male sympathizer, whatever the hell that means. I'm sorry if that makes me  a ridiculous person or non empathetic.

I don't, I just, I feel like I exert a lot of empathy in my personal life, in my professional life. I have had to exert a lot of empathy and I'm just so sorry, but I do not have it for Katie Maloney. And oh, my biggest point about Lala really is that first of all, the relationship that Lala has with Katie is one that I am. 

More concerned about like, I think that she and Katie were meant to be friends. I think that Sheena and Ariana were meant to be friends. I think  that Sheena and Lala are meant to be friends. And I think that Ariana and Katie are meant to be friends. However,  I don't think that Lala and Ariana, or Sheena and Katie, are ever meant to be friends.

Now that might be confusing, but all I'm saying is that,  while these women can function together semi well in a group together,  the pairings The Lala and Ariana pairing is never going to happen. And there was a brief amount of time where I think that they did kind of come together. Well,  no pun intended.

Uh, they did join forces to be kind of like cool, but I think that ultimately Lala's not the type of person that Ariana can fuck with. And I think ultimately Katy's not the type of person that Sheena can fuck with. But we've also seen Sheena and Katy have like a decent friendship at one time and another.

In fact,  back in the day Katie actually was defending Sheena.  Um, there's someone 

Oh my god, it's children.  Guys, I need to say something really quickly, okay?  And I hope, I hope that none of my housemates ever, or not my housemates, I live alone or allegedly I live alone.  I hope nobody that lives in my building hears this, but one of the families that just moved in has tweens.  They have youths, like plural,  and where my window is, it's close to where the youths like to hang out, I guess. 

And as someone who is trying to transition out of working with the youths, it is.  Extremely distressing.  And distracting, apparently. And I have Instacart coming. So, if I kind of veer off, you guys know what's up. You guys, don't, don't hate me.  Um,  anyway.  Sheena and Ariana are very similar. Lala and Katie are very similar.

Lala and Katie, if there's one thing they're gonna do, is run their goddamn mouths. Pop. What they would call popping off for no reason and be, just genuinely say whatever the fuck they feel like and don't expect to suffer consequences for them. They both operate that way, whereas Katie, I mean, sorry, Sheena and Ariana, what they're gonna do is not stand up for somebody.

They're, they're gonna not say something. They are the most not gonna communicate ass bitches. on the show, okay? So  that's kind of how those friendships function. I think that Sheena needs a Lala to kind of speak up and Katie and Ariana needs a Katie to do that same kind of like defensive thing. Granted, Sheena and Lala are much more  outward about the like more obnoxious parts of their personality where Ariana and Katie are more inward about the obnoxious parts of their personality, but as far as communicating and keeping to themselves and, or not.

I think Katie and Lala are much more similar as are Sheena and Ariana. I don't know if that was confusing. Last thing I'll say, this one for real, this time. 

Lala's always been extremely problematic. She has always towed a racism line in a way that made me uncomfortable. I have always felt like she should have been taken out with the Kristen and Stassi  faith situation. And I believed, well, honestly, at the time. I'm just gonna be 100 percent honest.  I just assumed at first that maybe somehow Faith had reconciled with whatever happened with Lala in a way that she felt comfortable with and I felt like it wasn't appropriate for me to like  tell or assume of a Black woman like what she should be comfortable forgiving or not.

Like that's not for me to say.  But just like in general though, Lala's behavior towards Black people has been appropriating, uh, at best, and, you know, culture vulture, racist at worst.  I think And that's, honestly, if everything that Faith is saying is true, then it's certainly racist, right? If she really, which I don't doubt, uh, said that they're killing our baby daddies in response to George Floyd's murder, then yeah, Lala's a racist.

I'm comfortable saying that.  I want her to atone for her behavior, not in like a Game of Thrones way. We don't need the shame woman, you know, banging a bell. I don't need her naked walking down a street full of people slinging tomatoes at her.  But  she seems, in my opinion, to This is the first season that she's ever been able to say like,  Oh, I was low key a mistress.

So I see that she can take accountability. It would be lovely if she would continue on that path, I just don't, I don't have faith because she tends to be hypocritical in a way that no one else on the cast necessarily is except for the men.  And now, I've been frustrated to, to close this whole loop of the Reddit conversation, right?

I have been frustrated with  the fans. I just want the fans to like really clock into these people while we have a break from them and really deep dive. And I know a bunch of people, I binged the show and, you know, came up with conclusions. And I really just want people to like go back in the archives, read the interviews, read the, listen to the early, uh, podcasts and things that the cast would do,  read the Reddit forums, know about the AM.

Excuse me, AMA the Ariana did, the, the inner workings of the internet that people have been on for years. Really do the research  because  what I don't want to happen  is us, not me, I will, I do feel comfortable separating myself  and I'm sorry if that makes me self righteous like Tom Sandoval, which is what someone said in the reviews. 

I feel comfortable separating myself from this because I've been outspoken about Lala from, for a long time.  A lot of people felt  like championing Lala because she was coming for Rachel and the reason they were comfortable with that was because they hate Rachel because they think that they have some sort of extreme experience reflected with Ariana. 

And I think that that is true.  I, I don't, I don't think that's appropriate.  I think that Lala  has always been self serving and she recently did an interview where she was asked if she thinks she's a good friend and she all but said no, I don't. And I fucking, I'm fine with that. I don't need Lala to be a good friend.

I don't need Lala to be a good friend to, well right now it would be nice if she was a good friend to Sheena because of how much is riding on their children's relationships but we'll just have to see because I think that Sheena puts a lot. Into that because of her child, and I just don't know where Lala stands on anything. 

I think  the woman has a lot of work to do. I think it would behoove her, really? If she really wants to stay in this game, I would love to see her produce a show. Produce a reality show. Steal an idea, Lala!  You're, you're good at taking things from other, maybe people or cultures or what have you. So, so take an idea and make that a television show.

Use your connections and your drive and your passion for reality television, which I think is all fine for her to have, and make a reality show and see if you can put that into it and really like have a trade, have a skill with it. Because she's not quite Lisa Rinna yet, But we're, we're,  we're like just a few, uh, Burner accounts in Bravo account DMs away from Lala going full Lisa Rinna.

And I still support Lisa Rinna being off the show because of her behavior off season, or off camera.  And I don't want that for Lala. I want her to take accountability.  I just don't know if she will. So those are my thoughts about Vanderpump Rules and some of my like,  things that I want to be attributed solely to me because I know that some of those things are problematic and I don't like, honestly, when I see things, about my podcast, and people say, first of all, Lindsay, who has been graciously recapping Vanderpump Rules with me,  is, like, one of the most wonderful people that I've met, excuse me,  and I don't, I just don't like the, like, mean comments, or like, whenever I read a recap of hers, again, on Reddit,  People, like, coming for her, like, being mean or saying, like, Oh, well, she, who has time for this?

Bitch, you're on the sub. You have time. How dare you? You know? Or people, like, accusing her of being  paid one way or the other to bias herself one way or the other, and she isn't. But there are accounts that are. And, uh, Y'all need to watch out for those accounts, okay, and stop worrying about her so damn much because she's a Wonderful person and I know that some of my views are problematic and I want my I want those to be attributed to me and not her  Because some of y'all are just mean not the people listening but if you guys know that people that are fans of my show that truly love me and love the show and love my guests and love my really Questionable Instagram presence like  I appreciate y'all  There are other people, though, that make podcasting, like, they kind of make it miserable, cause,  I can't just Speak my opinion.

And that's what I've been trying to do this whole time is just say my opinion and it's not always popular. And I do want to be held accountable. And I do want to question myself if I, if I am thinking too,  if I go too deep into a misogynistic realm, I want to know, but so far there hasn't been like a really great look at why something I've said has been misogynistic or like coming for me because I'm a Stan of Sheena.

Or, I was a fan of Raquel, that's not a good reason to come for me, I don't think. Cause Raquel didn't cheat on, you know, didn't fuck me over. Raquel didn't sleep with my boyfriend, neither did Sheena. Uh, so, I don't think I have to have some sort of extreme opinion negative of them. Uh, uh. But some people do feel that way.

And so there we go.  Okay. So let's take a break and we'll come back with summer house. 

Okay. Really quick editing note. I'm editing Emily here. When I came back from break to record summer house thoughts, my microphone came unplugged and so it sounds a little different. I had to run it through some processing to make it sound like I'm not having my Head underwater as, uh, what's that, Sara Bareilles would say.

So it does sound a little bit different, but we're gonna rock with it. So thank you guys for being patient and understanding. Previously on Who the Fuck Knows with Emily Rose Okay, Summer House.  What a show, am I right? What a season it has been.  I, as you guys know, stopped covering Summer, or didn't even start actually.

I never even watched past the first episode of last season.  Because I found it so terribly miserable.  And then of course I just like, tried to keep up the very best I could with this season. And I gotta say, I really enjoyed it. Oh, shout out by the way. So I asked Martha's Vineyard, I talked about it a couple, for a couple of episodes.

And I, I've watched most of, uh, the most recent season. I have not finished it. That's my bad. Got cancelled.  And that's trash, in my opinion.  I don't know why, I don't know why they didn't do more crossovers, I don't know why they didn't do  In my opinion, I think it could have been promoted better from the network. 

Or been dramatized a little better, because there was a lot going on on that show, okay? And it is very fascinating, it is really interesting, with some really important people to have on TV. Um, but it got cancelled, and I'm really bummed out about that, and I needed to say that.  Okay,  so, Summer House  proper, just kidding, Summer House OG, I guess, Summer House with the, uh,  very unstable white people. 

Summer House,  look at the thing,  people keep, I think it's fair to compare Summer House and Manor Pump rules,  but, like,  we can see, we see a lot more about the Summer House cast  in shorter spurts.  Yeah, you can only edit so much out of Summer House, you know, because it's like that big brother like surveillance style. 

I feel like,  here's, here's a hot take.  I feel like Ariana and Tom Sandoval  together  are not great reality stars.  And that's okay.  I think that great reality stars do tend to be the ones that bleed for the show. And, this season of Vanderpump Rules, keep going back to Vanderpump Rules, y'all know what it is.

Like, we're, we're getting to Summer House, don't worry, I have a point here.  I don't feel like any of them were great reality stars this season on Summer House. I mean, on Vanderpump Rules.  I don't think that they acted like an ensemble cast this season on Vanderpump Rules.  And, I think that Sheena, who I believe is the best, reality star of all of them, uh, didn't do her due diligence.

And I think that if Lala was as smart as she thinks she was, she would have turned on Sheena because that would have gained her favor with the fans because everyone consistently always hates Sheena.  It just isn't realistic though for her to do that because I don't think she does hate Sheena. And so the reality of like  where, what the cast,  the position that the cast was put in  because they filmed so So quickly after Scandal Ball,  it, it made for a really terrible, if the people that are gonna produce themselves, like Lala, who can be extraordinary on reality TV, but she also has to put a lot of effort into it because she's sober.

And most of her, like, more entertaining moments, I think, have been because she's been, you know, maybe she was under the influence. So when she got sober, she had to be more calculated, which I think is fine, but I don't think she had time to calculate. And I think that people resent Sheena for, you know, bleeding on television.

People resent, resent Sheena for everything that she does, and I still to this day don't fully understand why.  Uh, but the real failure of the season, I think, was to focus on something that is so boring, which is, will Sheena forgive Thompson? It wasn't about, will Ariana forgive Thompson? Well,  the whole show. 

All we saw was, was Sheena gonna forget Tom Sandoval, and does anyone actually care? Here's the problem, there was so much shit talking on Sheena during the season, that I have to believe  people, the network, production, whoever, looks at that and says maybe they do care. Maybe the hate for Sheena will drive this story since we don't have shit else to fucking talk about. 

Well, that's what I think happened. So, Phantom of the Rolls failed to be a great ensemble cast.  And guys, by the way, if you really don't wanna see any more of Sheena, stop talking about her. Let the nutjobs like me that are fans talk about her, and if you hate her, don't talk about her because I think the hate baiting and rage baiting is what's driving the story for Vaderpump rules, and that sucks. 

The quees don't do that.  Thankfully, that wasn't the issue on Summerhouse for whatever reason, we just had to see the people be the people.  And  it kind of leads me to a couple of main points here.  One, I think Wes and Jesse are a great addition to the cast.  Wes is gonna stay on the show unless Wes chooses to leave.

I don't think that he will. He would have to get like Sheena levels of vitriol and be paid very little for Wes to leave the show. But I swear to God, if these people that hate on Wes because of how they perceive, again, a perception of his relationship situation with Sierra, I'm gonna be pissed. Because First of all, Ciara really shined this season.

I think that Ciara, I don't think that she's been a great reality star until this season, and I think that we really saw,  like, all this interesting shit about her, what we never got to see, and I want to see her, like, navigate this summer.  I don't think that Ciara makes good relationship choices.  And I don't think that West is good with commitment.

Therefore, I think that Sierra should start to recognize signs in men that are not ready to commit and stay away from them because those are not going to be the men that she's going to have strong relationships with. That is not blaming a woman. I think that men, maybe like Carl perhaps, who, uh, want women who are more,  uh,  sensitive to her, his needs.

did not seek out women that are historically not sensitive to others needs. Does it make Lindsay a bad person? In my opinion, no. Does it make West a bad person? In my opinion, No. And Sierra being that kind of  like sensitive personal, emotional, and, and the type of strength and commitment that she wants and deserves.

Isn't what she's seeking out, and so I think she needs to just kind of suss whatever that is out. And the thing is, like, people are like, Yeah, fuck Ciara!  Not fuck Ciara, but, Ciara, fuck him! Like, blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, didn't she say she would still want to choose him? Though, hello, she said she would consider it if he got his shit together, no. 

The answer is, he's not going to get his shit together. But he has a commitment issue that he needs to go to therapy for. You need to stay away from the guy. Now, I'm sorry, if that seems like I'm blaming her, I'm really sorry I'm not blaming her. I'm just saying, I think I have it all figured out. Boop! I think I have the answer for her relationship problem.

And as a friend,  I would be telling her, Hey,  we gotta, we gotta stop falling for these guys. Paige, who hypes up whatever the hell she sees. And I like Paige, like, again, as a reality star. Or a Quincy as a reality star. As people?  Questionable, in my opinion.  I don't like Sierra so much as a reality star, but as a person I think she might be great. 

And I really want to see her modeling career, that's what I want to see.  Pop that shit off. I love watching a modeling storyline, unless it's Kendall Jenner's.  Anyway,  all I'm saying about Wes and Sierra is that they were in a situationship, I don't think it was that deep, and I don't think that we need to be angry at Wes yet.

I also find it odd that we're not angry at Jesse, who seems to exhibit every characteristic of a true fuckboy and playboy.  And we aren't at, I don't know, I guess it's because he didn't sleep with someone on the cast. Which again, like, that's a choice that everybody's making that we're not, we're not talking about.

Stop. Stop banging the people on the cast. Stop marrying people on the cast, guys.  Which of the cast relationships are like, really something that you aspire to?  West and Sierra need to not date people on the cast. They, they just need to not do that. Anyway,  Lindsay and Karim.  My take?  Terrible virgin.  Needing to break up.

I don't like either of them particularly. I love Lindsay again as a reality star. I don't think she's nice to fans. I've said this like eight times, but it's because I've talked about it on other podcasts.  I don't think she's nice to fans and that does color my perspective of, uh, reality people. It also seems like maybe she's not super nice to production.

That colors my opinion of reality people. It really does. Um,  but like, you can't say the woman hasn't brought entertainment to our television. Then you can't say that the woman hasn't been transparent.  And honestly, I think that the ability of the cast to kind of point out her, what they think her method, her PR method was of handling this whole breakup. 

I don't think that it, I think that it kind of points out a weakness in her PR skills, maybe. Like, if we can guess, if they can guess your strategy, then maybe you don't have a great strategy, right?  I think, though, that Carl had unrealistic expectation for what he wanted from Lindsay, and then, uh, held her to that standard in a way that I find unreasonable. 

He reminds me of a guy that I dated that talked about this on Voted with Rob.  He reminds me of this guy that I dated briefly,  and that guy wanted me  to give a shit about stuff that I didn't care about. For example, and this kind of goes back to Wes, like, for me, meeting my mom is not a big deal. That for me, I know that it would be unreasonable for me to say it's not for most people, but for me That is not like a significant  point in, like, that doesn't mean that we're dating.

Unless I say you and I are boyfriend and girlfriend, we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. So we can have plenty of moments.  We can go to weddings, we can meet the parents, not my dad probably, wouldn't probably meet my dad, no one meet my dad, so that would be pretty significant. But like,  We can go to weddings.

We can go to, you know, if you take me to your family's house and like, you've got a big family, like if you haven't told me that on your girlfriend, I can't assume that on your girlfriend or that that's necessarily going to end up like that. You know, I don't know. That's how I feel, but I have a different family than you. 

Coral, I think reminds me of this guy because I took the guy to meet my mom and then he got mad at me because I was trying to, I was trying not to jump into a relationship with him. He had just gotten out of a very, very long term serious relationship, like, just now. And I did not want to be,  not just the rebound, but I, I kinda didn't wanna enable his, like, relationship hopping habit.

It seemed like he had that in him, and had never not been in a relationship, and I thought he'd be a lot more fun if he was kinda like quasi single. And that is me trying to control someone else in  a dating situation, and that's not fair, and that is something that I had to work through. Um,  but it happens,  and like,  Lindsey, I think, was kind of doing what I'm seeing that I did in that relationship, where like, he's trying to like,  control it, and then he's trying to like,  press into that control.

And it's just awful. And I re watched Season 4 of Summer House, uh, the other day when I was recovering.  And this is when Lindsay and Carl did their kind of  was I dating thing that they were doing. And they were horrible to each other. You guys have to go back and watch that. It's the season with Jules.

Who I liked and I felt really bad for because Paige,  whatever. Um, it wasn't really Paige so much. It was kind of more Amanda, but anyway.  I, Carl and Lindsay are terrible for each other. And I feel like maybe at this point it's a cop out to just keep saying that, but, I mean, isn't that just the truth?  Isn't that just the reality of the circumstance that they are terrible for each other and they shouldn't have been together?

And it is ultimately good that they're not, you know?  I don't know, man. I just And then the whole thing with the camera, then blindsided and not blindsided.  I just I don't know why Lindsey saying that she was blindsided makes people so angry. I feel like people find Lindsey to be really deceitful. I feel like people use her experience in PR against her a lot, which is all just I'm not really placing judgment on those observations, I'm just kind of making them. 

I don't I don't know. She may very well be very deceitful, but  I think that she really just thought they were gonna ride it out to the wedding at least. And I just really think that she did not. Sometimes,  when you're bound and damn determined to be in a relationship that is not going to work, you just say, It's going to be fucking terrible.

We're gonna see it through. And you tell yourself that, and you, and you see it through.  And, sometimes you have to have someone who is willing to say, You know what? No. You We're not going to do that. We have to stop this and then they have to pull out and, and, and things in a really  furious way.  I think though, so I think that she could have personally been blindsided.

Cause I think she really thought that no matter, it didn't matter what the fuck  he threw at her. I don't mean literally, I mean, figuratively  they were going to get married. And then they were going to figure out their issues later.  And I think that he,  for some reason.  Is I don't know what his motivation of saying  he didn't he didn't have any intention of breaking up with her  I think he had every and I think an expense that he wanted to break up with her, but to me that's Manipulative it does not make sense like  to me.

I think if he just owned like Yeah, I was going to break up with you. Then he would have more  like  credibility. I feel like in being like, I called the cameras cause I knew we're going to have an important conversation,  but like  just say that you didn't know that it was going to be a breakout.  Why did you want the, why did the cameras come,  you know, or maybe somebody leaked it,  maybe someone, maybe Kyle or Amanda said, Hey, they're fixing the breakup.

You guys need to get your antennas up quickly. Right.  I just, I think that it, like,  one of those things where I just don't like Carl, in general.  I don't know the nitty gritty of the specifics of whether or not he's specifically called. production to have the breakup conversation. Maybe he thought they were gonna have a breakup conversation, right?

Maybe he thought that they were gonna film something really miserable and dramatic that would then be stuck together, uh, as evidence of their eventual breakup. But I think to say that he had no inkling that that was what was going to happen is just as goofy, maybe, as saying that she had no idea that the relationship was gonna end.

I think they're equally goopy fucking people. Just personally to me, some of the ways that Carl behaved on the reunion,  I felt were disingenuous.  I don't know him, so I could be wrong. I don't have a lot of faith in like,  a character testimony coming from like, Paige or fucking Kyle, for example. Especially Kyle.

So, then saying, like,  Look, look, Carl's taking all of this for himself, and he's really putting it all on himself, and then he, like, kind of flirts with accountability a couple of times. Well, God, to me it felt just, oh, to me, it felt a little performative. But they're all performative, and the same can be said of Lindsay's, like, whatever she's feeling.

So,  I'm really playing the middle here, especially with the Carl and Lindsay thing, because I, I do think that it's just so, you know, It's just such a good thing that they're not together anymore.  And I also feel like this need, but I think that's a good example of why we don't need like all the girls to always rally around the girl, right?

Because there's like legitimate.  Reasons for maybe supporting Carl, maybe. I don't think so, but I can see a world where, like, it makes sense that Paige, who's never fucking liked Lindsay, might side with Carl a little bit. Or like, Danielle, who's kind of played the, for lack of a better comparison, Sheena role in, uh, Danielle's li er, in Lindsay's life, would be like, Well, I kinda tried to tell ya, but you didn't like that, and now it's finna bop!

Cause, this happened, like,  I think that it's so much better when we just expect people to play out their real relationships and, maybe because a lot of women don't identify with Lindsay?  They don't feel like they need to project what they expect for friends to do or not do or say or not say and how everyone should or shouldn't act around her. 

They don't feel like they need to do it. Maybe it's because  we do have more clarity on Lindsay and Carl's relationship because we saw more of it on camera. Because again, I don't think that Ariana and Tom Sandoval are great reality stars. I think that they, I think that they like to keep a lot behind the scenes. 

And, uh, You know,  Ariana made up for, for having like a genuinely great personality when she was on camera and Tom made up for it by being extra as fuck every time he was on camera to the point where it was like annoying but intriguing, you know?  I think that's really, oh,  Paige,  don't get cute, okay?  Like,  here's the thing. 

This is what I want to happen. I think Paige did a great job this season. I would like to go down to Charleston  and, uh, bring back Cameron And Chelsea,  and Madison McCoy, and bring back Catherine,  and, and let Paige kind of play in those waters for a little bit, and bring back Naomi, Naomi.  Let Paige kind of hang out with them for a little while and see how clever she thinks she is.

Let me tell you something,  she hadn't seen, like, tearing a lady down the way that those women can or could, okay? Those are some veterans  in reality, like Cameron, I can't scan the woman you banks or whatever,  but she's a veteran of reality television She was real world. Okay, like  these women Katherine Dennis who did this?

Extravaganza listen to it as soon as I'm done recording again, because I've already listened to it first  anyway, she did this great interview on reality bites the Lauren Morgan had Morgan on my podcast. I love them He did a great interview on their podcast where she really talked about, like, And she hadn't, she hadn't, she wasn't afraid to say, Cause, uh, they asked her about how she felt about Ariana. 

Listen, Catherine's not gonna,  she's not gonna sugarcoat it for you, Thae. He's gonna say I think it's fucked up. Look at what I've been through on camera. Look at all the shit that I've been put through. And your boyfriend, she fun you, and you get to act like a b boy about it? Listen, I'm not saying I agree with Catherine, but it was refreshing for someone to just say it.

You know, enough on their Patreon, I believe. So go listen if you're interested in hearing. Catherine's not gonna hold back on you, Paige. Though I think that she thinks she's very like, queen bee, cutesy, fun in her environment. But I think that She should spend I think that's why she didn't want to be on the show.

She said she didn't want to be around those people.  I mean, Southerners take that kind of shit real serious.  Uh, but, and that's not to say that I didn't enjoy her honesty in my day. In fact, she and Craig always like and respond to the shit that I post about them. And,  you guys know how I feel about Craig.

I cannot wait for Craig to be back on my television. I cannot wait for Southern Charm, you guys. I cannot wait for Southern Charm to come back. I cannot even tell you how much I cannot wait. Like,  Craig and Shep just did this, like, promo thing for What was it for?  Twisted tea or something like that, y'all.

Anyway, they just did this thing, they were playing on like, the Craig conspiracy, which is like, my favorite thing about Craig is that he's totally a hen, and delusional. And so, they really play on that in this commercial, and I reposted it, and Craig liked it.  Anyway, I, I cannot wait for that show to come back, and I will be recapping that a hundred percent.

I will be recapping at least the season premiere of Orange County, just because I gotta know. I went back and re watched some Orange County.  And, because I was looking for redeeming characteristics in Shannon, uh, Vicky, and Tr uh, not Trisha.  I seriously, like, pictured Tamra Judge and said Trisha Paytiff almost.

Um, which is just a funny thing for me to do.  I tried to find redeeming qualities in them. Uh, found none for Vicky.  Really found none for Tamra. I hate the way this is so not okay to say. I don't like the way that they parent. Their parenting styles and choices for me are absolutely abysmal.  But Shannon, I can kinda see, like, Like, cause the way that Heather and Tam were treated, Shannon, her first season was awful.

But then I just found Shannon to be so annoying, and Like, the whole, he's holier than thou, but in a different way. And kind of bling sometimes in a way that I don't find endearing.  So anyway,  I'm going to recap that.  I will be recapping, I think it'll be episodes 1 through 4 now because of spevering issues.

But I will be recapping the first few episodes of The Boys. It'll either be 1 through 3 or 1 through 4. With my friend Jeremiah. So look out for that. I will be recapping House of the Dragon. It looks like that will be episodes 1 and 2. Everything got pushed back you guys. Uh, listen.  I've been complaining about my job for years now on this podcast and, uh, even when I switched jobs I then had a new job to complain about. 

My last day of my job that has made me so unhappy is June 28th.  And then I will be embarking on, I don't even know what,  but  I really, first of all, I hope that I can keep my motivation to keep bringing you guys content.  Anytime that anybody, and I'm not trying to like fish for compliments, but if you enjoy this podcast,  please don't feel like, feel free to just DM me, like, feel free to comment, like, let me know, because encouragement is what keeps me going.

And there was a Jason Todd here after, uh, what I think was like a year long really strong stride of me feeling bad about this. Like, there was a long period here about a month ago that I was like, I don't know if I can podcast anymore. And it's silly, because it's stupid shit, like Apple reviews that, like, get me down, or, like, people just being mean on Reddit or whatever.

And that's, that's silly, because there's lots of you guys that actually do care. And I wasn't going to make this episode my first Patreon episode, I'm not going to do that yet, because I just, I don't want to ask anybody to like, commit monthly to content if I know I'm not, if I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to pump it out.

So let me get through this last week of this job.  Let me embark on a new life, because I really, that's how I feel about it,  but I think edu, leaving education has the potential to be really, really good for me if I can, if I can make it happen.  So thank you to everybody. Thank you for everybody. Everybody who sends me, buy me a coffee.

Everybody who sends me a DM saying that they love the show. Everybody who does leave a nice Apple podcast review. You know, it means a lot and I love you guys and you will hear me. Okay, here we go.  Coming up, swing up on who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. Um, but not, you will actually hear me on.

Vanderpump Robs, recapping the GOATs, Truly Goated is the name of our series, it's so fun. There's one episode I'm not on, Lindsay Takes My Place, because I, uh, was, you know,  put under. And then we have, I Will Be Our Real Bitch of Bravo, GA, who I love. I'm on her episode, I'm not exactly sure when she's releasing it, but I believe it's in the next couple of days.

I will be on Best Week Ever again, who I fucking love, Vanessa. I will be on her podcast. We are gonna be talking about the real housewives of DC and Dive.  I forgot. I just forgot about the DC of it all. And,  can I just say something? And I don't wanna, I don't wanna say too much because I want you guys to tune in to our episode that we're recording later today. 

But like,  it's so dated  and it's so weird because it was, it was filmed and released the same year, years as Beverly Hills,  but I rewatched season one of Beverly Hills all the time. And of course it's like, you can tell the cameras are different and, and, but like  the, the really, they kind of ducked themselves in a very 2002 space  in a 2010 world, and it's so weird because they're at the precipice of Obama's election, which is like. 

I mean, it was a  push forward into a new culture, so you would think that they would be like revolutionary, but they were so dated, and, uh, really crazy cast of characters,  really women that  truly should be on reality television. Oh.  Uh, but then,  after the show, every single one of them got a divorce with Booker. 

Every single one of them.  Uh, we don't, we don't know anything about Stacey. You'll, I'll talk all of my little deep diving that I've done on Vanessa's podcast on Best Week Ever. So tune into that and keep looking out for the Truly Goated episodes. And yeah, I love you guys. And I'll talk to you guys later.

Buh bye!