Bridging the Carbon Gap

Ro Randall on the psychology of climate change concern & action

Gabriel Gitter-Dentz, Kevin Zhou, Adam Rudt Season 1 Episode 7

In this episode, we speak with Rosemary Randall, a British psychotherapist who researches how people respond emotionally to information about climate change. With Andy Brown, Randall developed the award winning Carbon Conversations project which uses a psychological, small-group approach to helping people reduce carbon emissions.

Gabriel, Kevin, and Adam talk about their personal feelings about the climate crisis, and Ro explains how they may not have reached their “epiphany moment,” in which someone has a sudden realization, often triggered by an event, story, or piece of media, that causes people to realize, and face, the severity of climate change. We also speak about some of the most effective ways to talk about climate change with others, and hear about Ro’s novel about a teen who takes part in climate action, which disrupts her friendships.


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