In this episode Dr. Troy Spurrill, Owner of Synapse Center for Health and Healing, Dr. Joshua Wallert, Lead Practitioner, and Marque Gant, Clinic Director have a conversation about answers to why you feel sick.
In this episode Dr. Troy Spurrill, Owner of Synapse Center for Health and Healing, Dr. Joshua Wallert, Lead Practitioner, and Marque Gant, Clinic Director have a conversation about answers to why you feel sick.
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Speaker 1: Good today and welcome to synapse snip Dr. Troy Sp with Dr. Josh Roll and Marquis. Today, we're here to discuss a pretty important topic. What is that topic?
Are the thyroid?
Speaker 2: Yes. But so beyond that even more like your whole body?
Speaker 1: Yeah. A little different. We're gonna we're actually gonna put... Things through the filter of the thyroid, and it is indeed the whole body and and really what we've been observing is that there's a global shutdown of people's metabolism at a cellular level. So what that means is it's not like typical thyroid disorders.
It is a metabolic or metabolism problem. So let me let me say it this way. Have you been experiencing headaches, weight, fatigue, brain fog, digestive problems, and inability to tolerate sugars. All of these are signs that there's a breakdown in your metabolism in some way shape or form. So we wanna just do an overview discussion of what that might look like from a complete form thyroid picture.
Because what I can tell you for certainty is that a number of people are coming in, they've been told their thyroid working but it's not actually working from beginning to end. So let's talk about that a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I just had this conversation with the patient the other day. And I bet we have this conversation daily. Yes. At this point. So it's it's a very common issue.
When you think about the thyroid, there's a lot of... Steps along that chain that can be disrupted. Medically, a medical doctor's is only gonna really check one of those steps Yeah. And they're gonna medicate based off of that that part alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they're really just checking is your thyroid making thyroid hormone. That's it. If they run a Ts h and a t four or a Ts h and a free t four, that's kind of all they really care about. Is your thyroid making hormones.
Speaker 2: If you're lucky. You only get the Ts h. And the Ts h comes from the pit gland in your brain. Yeah. So really, if you only get a Ts h, they're saying is your brain...
Sending out a signal to your thyroid to make it. And that they can't even tell based on that one number is that level of Ts even appropriate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So really, this is this is probably one of the biggest mistakes or assumptions made in healthcare And it's costing people their health. Yeah. And so this is probably a full day's topic actually, but we're gonna... We're just gonna touch on it here.
And the the big assumption here really is that they... The doctors I'm talking about here. And this includes functional medicine practitioners too. That just... Treat thyroid straight up.
The big assumption here is that if your thyroid is making hormone, it gets into your cells, and that's not necessarily true. And so that's why it's important to check the entire cascade of the thyroid hormone and and what's called thyroid physiology. So we've talked about this in the past, but thyroid hormone is like a key that turns on the energy of your cell. The mitochondria of the cell. And so if it's a brain cell, then that nerve works a certain way.
If it's a muscle cell, that nerve works a certain way. And so it becomes very, very important just to make sure as a starting point, that your thyroid is working from beginning to end. And so the first thing to check would be are you making sufficient thyroid hormone from your thyroid gland and is your brain properly communicating that to the thyroid gland? And what does that look like from a the biochemical perspective? The hormone perspective.
Which what what lab tests generally got. Look for that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you mentioned it briefly, t four, t four is the... Marker, It's the thyroid hormone that's made in the thyroid, predominantly. You also then have t three, which is a more active hormone, but that's not generally made in the thyroid. This is a whole other step then you have to convert right, sometimes I say activate that thyroid hormone and elsewhere in the body. And so you have to have the brain signaling to the thyroid.
The thyroid has to have the the ingredients to make thyroid hormone. Like the iron and iodine other hormones even...
Speaker 1: Other hormones and b vitamins. So people have anemia, guess what? Eventually, that's going to affect your thyroid hormone.
Speaker 2: Yep. You also need to protect the thyroid as it's doing the job of making hormone that's glut antioxidants accidents. Yes. Because your thyroid is like a little furnace. That thing puts off a lot of exhaust and you need to be able to clean that up.
That's a big source of immunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It is. And so that is that'll be like a true thyroid, basically inflammatory thyroid Mh. That that messes up with your entire metabolism. And these are the people that will see...
Start to gain weight after not changing their diet and and again, it'll be missed. If you're just running a Ts h and a t three, or T four or. If you're not looking at antibodies for the thyroid.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The T and thy antibodies. Yeah. It's Commonly miss people don't know that the majority of hypo hypo autoimmune.
Speaker 1: Yes. And then after the thyroid makes its thyroid. Let's let's just talk about that a little bit. So they have to be transported from the thyroid to all the cells of the body. So we have these proteins called dove transport binding gl and different proteins will actually transport even albumin and other proteins in the blood.
So we'll then take it to the cells. Now, that can be problematic if you can't transport things properly. So we do see this with inflammatory, blood issues, clotting disorders, even things since Covid. Infections will actually start to impact the the deliverance of those proteins if you have a problem consuming eating, digesting and breaking down proteins called hypo. In the stomach, you could end up with decreased amounts of proteins.
Same with our vegans and vegetarians when they don't get enough protein in their diet. We can start to see an anemia based scenario, but a decrease in these proteins as well. So we wanna make sure that the the thyroid hormone is being transported properly. Mh. And then this is where it gets really I think cool.
I was gonna say funky, but... So funky cool. You're into, like, cell biology and everything. Once it gets to the outside of the cell, that's when all the action occurs. So there are receptors on the outside of the cell and they have to...
It's like a door. So door gets opened, and this is where the mistake has made. About fifteen years ago is when it became pretty obvious. So that this action to get the thyroid hormone from outside the cell to inside the cell requires energy. It's an active process.
It's not passive diffusion. And that's where the doctors have made a mistake because they're still assuming that it's a passive diffusion to get into the cell, and that's not true. So requires energy. And so that energy is something that requires thyroid hormone to make. So it becomes a catch twenty two.
And I wanna say it this way, the receptors on the outside of the cells become less efficient when that cell has undergone some level of stress. Mental stress, the cell stiff when the sell stiff, you can't actually have things bind properly, it's kinda like if you're trying to open the door to the clinic here, the outside door and it's stuck and it's jammed. It takes a little bit more effort to actually get into that door or a key that doesn't go in the lock properly. You have to jiggle it in stuff to get in. That's the same thing when you have a stiff in membrane, the thyroid hormone can't get into the cell.
Inflammation to acidity in and around the cell can actually influence that stiff, along with infections that are on the outside of the cell and on the inside, So what types of things can infect the inside of cells?
Speaker 2: My favorite ones. Yeah. Well, viruses is can. Yeah. It's not uncommon for people to have?
Epstein bar virus herpes virus, things that are lie dormant, well, you know, quote unquote dormant. But b inside cells, you have kind of the lyme family of things. Yep. With the Bc c and Lyme and Barton. Those can be intra cause problems.
We see that a lot. Yes. Unidentified. Yeah. And, you know, Covid too.
Covid likes go inside cells.
Speaker 1: Yes. Lovely. So basically, that's kinda like a thief that got into your door, and I was just hiding out inside the the the the clinic indoors. So once the actual thyroid hormone though gets inside, then it's gotta get past this thief if it's. It's gotta get past these internal infections.
Number one, and it's got bind to the outside of the nucleus to another receptor. And same scenario if the if the environment around that there receptors altered with the ph or it's acidic or there's inflammation inside the cell, then it will have a hard time binding that. Also there are different enzymes at both of these stages that can kind of block that process. Dia enzymes or what they what they're called. And some can activate the process some can block the process.
And and these enzymes are like security guards that lay you in, the right things in and will block the bad things from getting in. So those security guards or those the enzymes are dependent on different minerals. And so it's very important that we have the magnesium, the the s as and zinc in proper ratios there for these security guards and as Dr. Joshua saying glut ion helps protect the the security security guards as well. So if they're able to get into the nucleus, which will be then saying get into one of our office doors into our actual office, then you're in the the area where the mitochondria, and and a lot of people have heard about mitochondria and in school, they called it the powerhouse of the cell, but it actually does a lot more than that.
It actually is also senses power. So as it actually is... If if your cell is putting out power, it will... Kinda regulate that. If it's too much or if there's an increased requirement needed.
And one of my favorite books called the thyroid thyroid debacle. He had he had a great illustration in there. Where you talked about... If you open a a fridge door, if it's left open too long, then the sensors will start kicking in the coolant to cool it down again until that door is closed. It's kinda same thing.
Or mitochondria is in charge of that. And then our mitochondria also will release a defense mechanism to help kill off any danger. So if there's a danger response or a cellular response, it'll actually release something called right Ro or reactive ox species to to kinda try and kill the threat if you will. Which is good in the beginning, but that stiff the arteries or the arteries the cells, and then it makes it basically less likely for that cell to perform of function. It makes sense if you're sick, so you can recover.
The problem is if that's happening chronically. Then we get into this situation where we run into some trouble. So to activate the cells, you've got to recover. And if you get the thyroid all the way there, what are some of the things that are needed by the mitochondria to to make some energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Calories. Calories, this is a big topic because we see a lot of people who can't tolerate eating many calories when in a chronic health situation. Yeah. We need to get people to the spot where they can actually metabolize food and use that for energy Otherwise, Yeah.
Otherwise, a mitochondria just has no raw materials.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And probably the most important is oxygen if we don't have oxygen, we don't do... Don't have to eat
Speaker 2: and they have to breathe. Yes. And you have to drink water.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And just one molecule of oxygen and glucose can make thirty six Atp. So that's that's that's a lot of energy. But here's one of the challenges. What if you have an intra cellular infection?
And one all of you one molecule glucose is great to make the energy, but what does the what do these infections feed off of? Parasites and bacteria in particular.
Speaker 2: Sure Sure.
Speaker 1: So as you're eating, it can actually feed the infection that you're trying to get rid of, if it's not quite right. Yep. So there is a process called auto ta, which we've also spoken about in the past that can help offset this a little bit. But what are some of the ways that we can induce, which basically means cell eating. It starts to eating itself, the old and dead dying cells.
So Don't think of it that in to gross way. It's it's basically like living in a forest and you're eating the fibrous trees and the root vegetables and stuff like that. To to survive. It actually can sustain things. And it actually will start to also take out some of the infections too.
So how do we induce or some ways?
Speaker 2: Yeah. The best way is fasting. That's the the most potent way. And not everybody can tolerate fasting. And So there's other variations of that.
You can mimic fasting there's certain dietary types that'll will mimic fasting. Ketosis and ketogenic style diet. Diets can mimic that as well. Yeah. And there's nutrients that will that'll trigger some of that pathway to it or c curtail some of these more anti antioxidant accident related supplements and nutrients can also kick that clean cleanup system and sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sleep to the other one. So, yeah, That's exactly right. So that that that can help kind of jump start the inside of the cell, the health of the inside of cell. The the third thing that mitochondria does it's the powerhouse of the cell.
It's the sensor of the cell for energy input and output, and then it's the cell defender. And release that cell cellular defense. When it releases that, then you get the die off and and the old bits and parts kicked out of the cell and into the lymph system. So then that lymph system, which means it's greek for fast flowing river or waters takes all that back to the liver and then out through the bowel. So if you ever have problems with your lymph, problems with your bowel or problem with the liver, you can get this backup up.
So what's your system gonna do. It's not gonna dump it out there if it's backed up already, because it it piles up and then eventually backs up into the cell creating environment, that is acidic and inflammatory around the cell, which will stiff in the cell, not allowing the thyroid in. So what it look like for you guys? It means I'm meeting right. I'm exercising and I'm gaining weight.
I'm meeting right, I'm exercising and I have headaches. I'm meeting right, I'm exercising and I have brain fog like I've never had before. It's basically there's a breakdown in one of those areas when it comes from the making of the thyroid to the cell to the detox justification and elimination. Now most people actually aren't doing it right, as far as the eating and ex exercising because in this stage, If you over exercise your liver system gets congested. So you've got to exercise appropriately.
And if you're not getting rid of the infection inside the cells, you never will circumvent this whole process. So there's a bit of an art to it when it comes to actually navigating this process.
Speaker 2: This is why looking at thyroid labs and only doing on one side of the spectrum, only doing medication. Right? You're not fixing any of the other stuff downstream. You're only giving a medication to try to just artificially raise the blood level of Hormone. But that's not fixing there is sometimes it can make it worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And a lot times it does. So by just putting the hormone in there, you may actually get temporary boots because you have more supply for the demand. And more hormone can get into the cell, but then eventually, what happens? The dose isn't right.
Mh. And so people have to go up or their labs look good, but they still feel awful. If their labs look bad in introductions One of your hypo is fixed, but you feel just as bad, Yeah. You're missing the end stage part of that thyroid.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and this is one of the reasons why with our programs that we do at Synapse, we have to address all those factors at once. Your diet, your exercise, lifestyle, sleeping, stress, chemical environmental stress, infections just by addressing all of those areas at the same time, you can reestablish that cycle and get your system jump again. It's kinda like those old crank up cars in the front. You had to get the cranking up. And eventually, once it fires, you're good.
Speaker 2: How's was your first car.
Speaker 1: And that was my first guy. You go there. Still drive it. Those reliable reliable things. Just doesn't have Bluetooth first So really that's what we're looking at as far as from beginning to end, if you can get that thyroid pathway there.
And then you still have to clean up the internal environment as far as what's working what's not working, But I really want people to really focus in on the basics of the sleep, the stress management because even mental stress will cause or an inflammatory reaction and a stiff of our membranes in the cells, and it can be quite a challenge. We run a test your two tests actually that can give us some clues as to how your cells are are doing that way. Once the endo pad that's our cardiovascular stiffness. And then our Bi, a bio analysis, we can actually start to see a breakdown of the cells spilling into the lymph, lymph congestion or excess And when you start losing muscle mass and gaining fat mass, there is a metabolic switch that occurred. And you've got to find out what it is, some level of mental chemical physical stress or infection.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just have that with a patient of mine that came in from out of the country actually. Came in with some post Covid issues and we started to do detox bifurcation. Yeah. The Bi within two days showed it.
I think it was a six eight pound increase in fat. You don't actually gain that much fat. No. But that's a sign that alright. We're able to push stuff out, but then there's a breakdown somewhere in that detox.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not able to get it out. And so... And really what the Bi is picking up on is that the water is shifting into the fat because there's a... There's a backup in the lymph through the liver process through the bowel.
Yep So this is why it becomes very, very important and. And some of the other keys here is we start to see this is this something that is very important. Magnesium is one of those key minerals that's needed to make thyroid hormone. It's also one of those key minerals that help the thyroid home get into the cell. It's also one of the key minerals that goes away with stress magnesium is very high in things like dark chocolate or chocolate.
And what is the number one thing women in particular crave with stress? Yeah. Chocolate. I asked this at every... We we do a mindset class here as part of our programs.
And I ask this question every single time at the mindset class, what's the number one thing women crave. And the women, the guys, they all say the exact same thing. Chocolate chocolate chocolate. And I ask what's the number one thing Guys crave. I...
We don't always get the this the right answer. Because the number one thing guys crave when they're under stress is alcohol. Alcohol, cravings are a sign of... Alcohol for men is women's chocolate. Yeah.
If men don't drink then its bread is the number one carbs, the carbs. Yeah. The sugar that way. So We get a good sense of the physiology. And one of the biggest challenges that we're seeing right now and I don't know if it's because of the stress of the world or the stress of the new introduction as far as what Covid brought to the game.
But we're seeing more and more metabolic inactivity. Back twenty years ago or back when I had my crank up car even way before that. We used to just change... We used to pull dairy out. And people wouldn't like respond.
It'd be enough. Yeah. Now you pull dairy out, and you get, like two percent gain. Yeah. It's so much more than that right now.
We have completely compromised some key systems like your livers ability to detox the lymph system properly. Mh. And one of the things we know that does that is glyphosate or roundup. We've talked about that on previous pause podcast podcasts, but we're being exposed to a lot of things that are compromising the areas of our body that help us detox now. And so we have to continue to help that.
It it is it is the number one reason why our clinic even exists because of the pure volume of people who are struggling and suffering. And when you get the liver, not detox fully, And what are some of the things that that make the liver sluggish? Did detox? Alcohol, medications, sugar, Yeah. Caffeine, By the way, coffee also deplete magnesium.
I'll call them and coffee deplete magnesium. So what do what do we do in America? Wake wake up with coffee and we'll sleep with alcohol. And what you're doing is d pleading the mineral that helps you with the metabolism in the whole time too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I actually told somebody this the other day. I have never once with our... So we do a red blood cell magnesium test. I've never seen anybody high, like lab.
Have you ever seen a lab high magnesium?
Speaker 1: No. And I I've had people on three to four thousand milligrams of magnesium. And if you're listening, don't don't just start at three or four thousand milligrams that you have diarrhea in in less than six hours. But one of my unless you need that. Unless you...
Yeah. Doesn't need that. But one of my mentors he's he's now passed, but for he trained Olympic athletes and he worked with a lot of el lead people around the world, and he'd have people on three to four thousand milligrams of magnesium to hit the gains that they needed. And when he was saying this, I want you to keep in mind, the accepted level of magnesium was three to four hundred milligrams. Yeah.
That was the accepted level for us crazy. We're doing high dose make easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he comes out and says, no, I use ten ten times that. Yeah. It it blew us away, and we didn't think that was right. And now it's proven to be right. And now we know why.
Magnesium needed an over four hundred different enzyme interactions within the body. And so it's it gets to depleted so so easily. But again, that has be balanced with calcium and there... There's an art or a method to the madness so to speak. So magnesium is very, very crucial.
And I'm gonna just pull one other Aha from the thyroid debacle book. And I'm gonna give a shout out to the authors Dr. Erica Bell college and Dr. Kelly H. It's it's literally my my favorite book on Thyroid, which replaced Doctor C book on thyroid from about twelve years ago because his was a game changer.
But they they spoke about the difference between Vitamin d active vitamin d and inactive. And we don't test really both forms. Because you figure the inactive form, if you've got that, you're gonna get the active Yeah. Form and you'll know where you're at. But guess what is involved
Speaker 2: with that conversion process. Magnesium. That's. The herd deal?
Speaker 1: Yes. Exactly. Well... And so that... And that can really influence the intra cellular part health as well in the mitochondria.
And the mitochondria is is really key to the recovery for for most most people. And you don't necessarily have to have mitochondria dysfunction to have all these symptoms, but you're you're going to... For the k people definitely have some level of mitochondria issues. So we just wanted to come come today and kinda walk things through the filter of the thyroid physiology from beginning to end and we are seeing so much of this, and there's so many things you can do. But what used to take twenty days to lose weight is now taking two, three months.
And so I want people to hear that because you have to hang in there, be consistent and all the patients that we're working with our programs is taking a little longer to get them where they need to be because of the these complexities that have arise because of our diet lifestyle, the environmental issues as far as the... That impact our liver and so on. So we're putting it together. We'll be doing some lectures as well. So you guys can get some good visuals.
I'm actively working on that. But I want to get it out in podcast form them first.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 1: So thank you for your time and god bless.
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