Apple iPad Pro M4 : Our Review After 3 Weeks With The Most Powerful iPad Ever!

Curious about whether upgrading to the highest-spec Apple iPad is worth it? Join Roberto Revilla and Jon Evans as they unravel the differences between the 13-inch iPad Pro models, with their personal take on Jon’s 512GB versus Roberto’s 1TB versions. 

They share their experiences after the first 3 weeks with these devices, starting with the stunning OLED display that transforms your viewing experience. They also delve into the evolution of screen technology and share experiences about the iPad's responsiveness and Wi-Fi capabilities.

Ever wondered if the nanotexture screen lives up to the hype? Hear Roberto’s hands-on review of the iPad Pro with nanotexture, and the improvements in the magic keyboard. Roberto dissects the tactile feel of the nanotexture screen, debunking  claims of finger discomfort, and revels in using the Apple Pencil on this unique surface. 

Get the lowdown on the device’s thinness, portability, and the revamped magic keyboard, including its aluminium top and new function row of keys. Plus, the guys touch on some quirky volume controls and the adjustments needed to adapt to this new setup.

The boys also reminisce about older technology, consider how far we've come and what future-proofing your tech investments looks like in today's rapidly evolving world.

Enjoy!

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:16

let's talk about ipad, because we have now had our ipads for three ish weeks three.

Speaker 2: 0:22

I think it's three weeks now?

Speaker 1: 0:24

wow, I can't believe it. Where does the time go? And we have both got the iPad Pro 13-inch. How much memory did you go for? I went for the 512.

Speaker 2: 0:36

I mean, it's a bit of a jump down in speed because it's the binned chip, so I have one less than you.

Speaker 1: 0:45

It's not, it's not, it's not though no, I mean it's.

Speaker 2: 0:49

I don't know. I don't know the difference in terms of usability. I've not tried the, the one terabyte one. Listen, it's a lovely device and I'm very happy with it in a 99% of all aspects. I'm very happy with. There's one I'm not, yeah, which I'll come to later on, but no, it's a lovely device. Um, I, you know it's, it's. I have an m1 mac a mac on my desk upstairs, and an m4 ipad, so it's quite interesting to see the difference in what you can do with them.

Speaker 1: 1:13

But uh, no, you know, it's great. Just realized actually I've got a I don't know what. I've got a flush did I call it a flush in poker right here because, well, I'm on, I'm cheating because carolina's desk is next to me. But I've got an m1 pro, macbook pro, which I haven't opened for a couple months because it met.

Speaker 1: 1:32

You remember the one that got the latte yeah I'm hoping it's now just dried out m1 mac, m1 pro macbook pro, we've got an m2 pro mac mini, then I've got got an M3 MacBook Air and an M4 iPad Pro. There are people watching this or listening to this right now, saying what a wanker.

Speaker 2: 1:53

The thing is, what's really interesting is they're not equatable in terms of speed. No, they're not. You can't just assume that your M4 iPad is four times faster than your M1 Mac because of the way the operating systems work and the way they'd be designed. Where, the way, um the apps work with the device, it's very hard to benchmark them against each other and it's also what they're doing.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Because the m4 was put into the ipad because of the tandem oled display? Yeah, because part of that was it needed the extra grunt to be able to drive that display were hoping, weren't they?

Speaker 2: 2:29

they were hoping that with the m4 processor, they could actually have, um, two separate screens attached to their ipad, and what they don't realize is they already have two separate screens. Not, not really, it's not kind of how it works, but yes, I mean, the screen is unbelievable. And when you're watching apple tv content and I watched sugar, the series with colin farrell, which is excellent and, a real surprise, actually better than I, you know it's shot so beautifully, it looks just so amazing and I watched the entire series on my ipad rather than my tv because it just looks so much better. I don't have it.

Speaker 1: 3:03

You know what? What was the iPad that you had before? Did you have an iPad Pro with a mini LED display?

Speaker 2: 3:09

No, I had the iPad Pro 2020, the one before that, Ah okay.

Speaker 2: 3:15

So I've had quite a jump from in quality, really. I think perhaps less so for you, yeah, but for me, I mean, it's just because it's the first oled, uh, ipad. The iphone 10 was oled, so, uh, you know, this is the first oled ipad I've had and it's just a revelation really. I still remember, I still remember years ago when the first flat screen tvs came out and they started to tell this new technology called oled and they could only make these screens that sort of like tiny, sort of like pro max size, because it was such expensive technology. And now that we are, and we're still quite expensive, but much more affordable for you for what you're looking for.

Speaker 2: 3:51

So, yeah, yeah that's really good, really really, the screen is amazing. Um yeah, and really quick and responsive.

Speaker 1: 3:57

I'm looking at the screen now and it is stunning. I mean, I was on a ticket website earlier for our local theater because a few famous comedians they tend to do their work-in-progress material at our local theatre before they go on national tours and stuff up here in Finchley and I think I clicked on the link for Omid Jalili and then I turned round while it was loading to Carolina. This is only a split second because the Wi-Fi on these things is so fast. We've got a Wi-Fi 6e set up in the house and this has got the wi-fi 6 router thingy built into it. Um, you can tell we're late people, or I am. Anyway. John's smarter than me, but the or more technical even and smarter, yeah, both. So, uh, I turned back to the screen and they'd used a very high resolution photo of him on a black background, yeah, and I turned back to the screen. I almost dropped my bloody ipads because I was like, oh my god, it literally looked like his face was coming out at me. It really does pop.

Speaker 1: 4:53

So yeah, you know, I say I came sorry, no, I was gonna say so say I came from a mini led ipad pro. So really I know a lot of reviewers online have said that they don't see that much of a jump. But you know, I think if you appreciate these things you can see that there is definitely a difference I went for. So, john 512, I went for the one terabyte with nano texture. There's a short on my YouTube channel which you can see from when I was in the Apple store and I was actually picking up because I ordered the one terabyte with the glossy display, standard display and while I was in there I got to see the nano texture display for the first time and after a lot of debating I pretty much had the whole of Apple Brent crosses in store team around me and because they'd not really been trained on the product yet and we were debating it backwards and forwards and then I decided to pay 100 pounds more and go for nanotexture and I'm so glad that I did.

Speaker 2: 5:51

I've got no regrets whatsoever on the very rare day, because I did sit out in my garden on one sunny sunny afternoon, a sunday, because I know that the the the new ipad screen is very bright. It's got much higher nits Is it 1,600 nits now?

Speaker 1: 6:05

I'll have to fact check that. It will go up to 2,000 nits peak brightness.

Speaker 2: 6:09

So it was really good. But the issue I had was I could see the screen, but I could also see all my finger marks and smudges and reflections. Have you tried using it outside on a really bright day? So?

Speaker 1: 6:20

I've used it outside not on a bright day, because unfortunately the weather's been shite here in England for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1: 6:26

But our workroom, which is where I use it the most, has got overhead lamps all over and they're all fluorescent tubes and all that sort of stuff. And again, I did another video showing patches and inverted commas on my screen and I do show the lamps that are ahead. So you know that I'm not making it up. The difference for me is that there's just no reflection on the screen, just no reflection. My standard iPad display on my. I had the M1 iPad Pro, which had mini LED, and that it was embarrassing to put it in front of customers because I'd forget to clean it and it would just be full of fingerprints. It was like COVID-19 was living on the glass, whereas with this one it's just. You see, when it's off it's got little smudge marks, but it's not like fingerprint city. Like you know, I don't feel like the police wouldn't even need to lift a fingerprint off.

Speaker 1: 7:18

They could just take a photograph and run it through their database and arrest me, so that from a from a, from a sort of visual hygiene point of view, has been great because it doesn't really smudge the. The reflection thing or the no reflection thing has just been amazing when I put this in front of a customer, because usually we're sat, you know, sort of either opposite each other or usually sort of aside each other, but then we're each looking at the screen from a 45 degree angle either side, and very often we end up meeting in the middle because neither of us can see anything because there's so much reflection off the glass, whereas with this it looks.

Speaker 1: 7:55

I mean, I'm looking at mine right now and it doesn't matter what angle I turn it, I've got very, very bright lights here in front of me and I've got nothing behind me but it doesn't matter what angle I turn it, it just doesn't change at all. It's just like a static display how does it?

Speaker 2: 8:11

how does it work in terms of? Because it comes with a cloth, isn't it? Do you have? You finally have to give it a, be a bit more careful and cleaning it more regularly, because I would imagine, if it's, if it's uh, um, but they must kind of. There must be pits in the screen. There must be some texture to the screen which could pick up dirt more than a gloss screen. Does that happen or not?

Speaker 1: 8:29

Maybe I've got no idea about that. I think people have been over-exaggerating the pits in the screen One of my viewers made a comment on a video.

Speaker 1: 8:40

He asked about it and he said that he'd read a review or something or a comment from someone else who said that after a day of using his iPad Pro with nanotexture, that his finger, his index finger, was raw. And I don't even know how that's possible. Because, first of all, what the hell are you doing using your finger constantly for a whole day on an iPad screen, whole day on an ipad screen? But also, I mean, I'm running my finger down the screen. Now it doesn't really feel, you know, it feels a little bit more tactile than a, than the standard glossy display which is literally like glass.

Speaker 2: 9:12

You run your fingernail down it. Maybe it feels different to glass only very slightly. It's very, very slight and does it feel like a lot of people pay money for these uh green covers that give you a more papery texture? Does it feel more papery than glass as well?

Speaker 1: 9:28

I used a paper-like screen protector on my previous iPad.

Speaker 1: 9:33

I hated it because it kind of made the screen look a bit grey and washed out, so watching movies on it wasn't really fun, but that did make it feel more like paper. When you took that screen cover off on a standard iPad display, it feels like you're running plastic against glass. This is weird. I don't know why. Obviously it's because of the nanotexture treatment, but this just naked using the pencil with it. I've not even thought do I need a screen protector to make this feel more paper-like? It is an absolute joy to write, to sketch, to draw on this thing.

Speaker 2: 10:09

it's amazing, like which you do a lot I can't tell you how happy I am that I made that decision really it's also, I mean in terms of economics, because I've just now you can now see behind the scenes here that my background isn't moving with me but I'm, I'm picking my device up off this magic keyboard, magic keyboard and um, it's so thin and light that I mean it's for the first time. Even my daughter went, oh, that's thin. So I I remember my previous ipad. When you take it off, the magic, uh, magic keyboard, if, especially if it's on your lap or it's next to next to your bed, on the side bedside table, I tend to pull the ipad off from one corner and lift it up. And what happened quite a lot was the weight of the old ipad would cause the other corner to drop and slam down on the keyboard and removed it.

Speaker 2: 10:55

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you've done the same and that doesn't happen because it's, you can hold it in one corner with your fingers, and so that thinness, uh, is pretty impressive, and I haven't yet bought my last one. I bought a folio cover for it as well, and I haven't got it, it's actually.

Speaker 1: 11:12

It is thin. It's thinner than an ipad mini yeah, but I I don't.

Speaker 2: 11:16

I haven't been using a folio with it, which seems a bit weird, since it's thinner, because it's such a nice device without it. But I tend to dock it in the eye and the keyboard when I'm not using it and keep it closed and protected, and I'll I'm wandering around the house with it or propping it up against the window when I do the washing up so I can watch something whilst I'm washing up. You know all that sort of thing. Um, it's just such an easy device to move around. I almost feel like it's the device that um jobs, steve jobs, wanted to reveal the first time around when he was on his sofa reading on his lap. This was what he was aiming for. My only, only negative is the volume controls. They really, really bug me.

Speaker 1: 11:52

Is it because it's the opposite way around? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:56

Every other device I have. When you flip it around and also when you flip it, they change. I can see what they're trying to do. It's trying to match the seven directions. It just really bugs me.

Speaker 1: 12:04

I'm getting used to it now, but it's really weird but do you think, john, that's because, because it makes sense, right, it's like, because I'm the same as you every single time I'm like, but I've turned it down instead of up now I'm getting used to it because it's like it's volume up, right? Yeah, it's muscle memory, because we've had I've had an ipad since year one, which was what? 2009, 2010? Yeah, I got all the other ones as well. Yeah, so you've been using an ipad for like 13 14 years and, all of a sudden, the yeah it's just like it's a muscle memory thing.

Speaker 2: 12:38

You'll work your way out of that. Yeah, but the great thing though, with volume is.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Who cares anyway, because you've got it all in the function row on your magic keyboard.

Speaker 2: 12:47

I know I keep forgetting that. I'm doing it now.

Speaker 1: 12:49

Yeah, I keep forgetting that how much did you have the keyboard with your previous ipad? Yeah, question one okay, yeah, how much of a difference have you found? Although it's been slight changes, because you now have aluminium on top rather than fabric. You, you now have the function row of keys. How much of a difference has that been for you? Has it been, yeah, it's all right, or has it been? Oh my God, this is a game changer.

Speaker 2: 13:15

I do love having instant audio controls. When I'm working, I can just play my music. I can just literally just Quite often I'll play a large playlist that I'm shuffling. If I don't like a track, I can just tap it forward. I have sometimes accidentally locked the screen with the lock button on the far right, because it's not a button I'm used to having, even on the Mac, and I like the brightness controls. There are actually hidden away in the settings. You can change the brightness of the keyboard as well, which I didn't know before.

Speaker 2: 13:45

I would say, in all honesty, I love the extra controls, but I don't think I'd be that bothered if they weren't there. Does that make sense? I think I got so used to not being there. For me, the biggest, the biggest change I love is just the feel of the aluminium under your palms when you're typing. The keyboard's a much more premium feel. It's much nicer because, again, it feels a bit thinner as well. Um, it's more laptop because you've got less of that kind of chin underneath.

Speaker 2: 14:10

The downside is, when I'm using this on my lap in bed, it tips forward much more often because that's it's. They've tried to balance out the extra lightness by pushing it back a little bit, and so I do find that it's as a laptop. It's not a great laptop, it's much more of a desk device. But I've got no problem with that because I would say, 99% of the time I don't use it on my lap. I do like the um, the new hinge on it and the, the way the the usb is in, the way it flips around. That's quite cool. Yeah, no, it's a lovely device. My wife's very happy that she's got my cast-offs now as well. She's got her own keyboard as well. But you know, yeah, the iPad sounds great as well. There's a really good sound when you're playing out loud.

Speaker 1: 14:50

It just sounds magical in 2020. Not as good as the last version. No, Not as good as the last version. No, I have to say.

Speaker 2: 14:55

Is it not no?

Speaker 1: 14:57

the M1 and the M2 iPads. The sound on those was amazing.

Speaker 2: 15:04

This is fine if you've got it in the keyboard cover because you've got a bit of something for it to vibrate against.

Speaker 1: 15:08

But naked on its own. Compared to the previous gen, not quite the same, but it's still great for such a thin device. Don't get me wrong. I'm not slagging it off, it's just not quite as good. For me, the magic keyboard is a game changer. Like it is lovely when I'm using it in magic keyboard mode it's laptop mode for me, and and being able to not have to keep touching the screen all the time, it's just brilliant just being able to um, yeah, and also because it feels like my macbook air.

Speaker 2: 15:36

I'm just you know, it's like yeah which do you use more at the moment? Which do you use more? Your ipad, do you know?

Speaker 1: 15:41

weirdly it's been 50, 50 um I just didn't change between them and and I don't. I've only just started thinking about it, since you said using it on your laps a bit awkward, yeah, so what I do, I've noticed is that, um, so I use it during the day, so I use it at the workroom and so on, and I take the magic keyboard with me and then, on what I'm doing, I might be carrying the tablet on its own or I'll dock it if I'm doing something whatever when it gets home it moves around the house with me.

Speaker 1: 16:12

So, um, at my desk I'm using my macbook air. I might go to the kitchen to do food prep for dinner, and then I'll put sky news or something and watch some television while I'm cooking at the island and that'll be on the ipad.

Speaker 2: 16:25

I couldn't do, by the way, right, he couldn't watch sky on his young, so you've got your own one up in there.

Speaker 1: 16:31

Yeah, topical, sorry um and then, um, sometimes I'll have to carry on doing a little bit of work, but I'll want to go to the living room to be with carolina and the dogs and so on.

Speaker 1: 16:42

But then I'll I'll put the ipad back on the desk and I'll grab the macbook air and I'll just pick up where I left off on the ipad, on the macbook air. But I'll use the macbook because it's easier on my lap on the sofa and then when I in there then I come back and I put that down and then I grabbed the tablet off the stand and then I go upstairs with it.

Speaker 2: 17:02

So it's really funny. Yeah, you know. First world problem, different to mine. Yeah, I tend to use my my devices together a lot for I'm moving it across Like I'm imagining I'm doing it. I tend to use my app a lot for continuity. Now, because I'm sure you do the same, I have a lot of things that require two screens at once to be able to work. I'm dragging things across different spreadsheets and things and all the standard workplace boring stuff. But it's really lovely for that. Just having that space to work in and continuity is really good on this and really reliable.

Speaker 1: 17:34

I've just realized I can create a mega desk setup because I can go across all three well, the thing with the macbook air is you can now do dual monitors with it, but you have to have it in clamshell mode. Yeah, but so what I do is I use my macbook air in clamshell mode with my lg 4k monitor and my studio display. But I've just realized what I can do is I'm going to use my studio display with my macbook air and then I'm going to put my ipad pro with my lg display and then I, because I can type with your hand anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 18:06

But then I've got like mega desk. It's gonna be so cool so four screens.

Speaker 2: 18:11

So so, mega desk is great, so so it seems to me actually that you are the perfect candidate for a Vision Pro.

Speaker 1: 18:18

Really?

Speaker 2: 18:19

Oh, because of the new update Because of the new widescreen monitor they've done now, where it curls right beyond your vision, it seems to me that that could be your next step. I'm going to say it now. I'm pretty sure that you're shaking your head, but I'm pretty sure no have you been just before, bobby?

Speaker 1: 18:36

No, you've got to get one. I know you are. No, I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2: 18:39

I'll tell you why I'm not Because you don't want Carolina to cut your balls off. No, it's fine, we just put it for the business.

Speaker 1: 18:47

But the reason I'm not. And it would be legitimate, but the reason I'm not is that's why we've definitely got the UK tax here.

Speaker 2: 18:56

Tell me, you went on Applecom. You spent one up, didn't you?

Speaker 1: 18:59

yesterday because I was doing it at the same time.

Speaker 2: 19:01

Well, I did it the first time around in America. We all know that whatever it costs in America, we have to pay the same in the UK. So it's the United Kingdom pirate tax. We have to pay according to demands.

Speaker 2: 19:13

But yeah, I mean it's from what I hear a lot of people are are a bit like with the playstation vr that they love to begin with and not using it very often at the moment. I think we need to. I think we're going to be lucky in in europe and in that we're going to get a slightly better product on release. But even saying that, I I think if I had money to burn and I could find a device where I can sit, sit in my bedroom and close myself off from everyone and watch films on large screens, personally I'd still get one for just for that Cause I love the idea of having that as an entertainment device.

Speaker 2: 19:44

But I don't think I can warrant spending a two spec top iPad in for one terabytes with a nano texture screens on a device to strap on my head. So, like anything, it'll you know Apple on my head. So, like anything it'll uh, you know apple, if it's successful it'll come down in price and we can wait. But um, yeah nice. It'll be a nice gadget to play around with when we see it in the stores.

Speaker 1: 20:01

I mean I definitely want to get my hands on one and play around with it, but you know it's just. And the other thing as well you know what we do is is collaborative in a human way. That's what we're about as a business, and I just think strapping any I mean I've got the, as you know. I've got the x real pro.

Speaker 2: 20:18

Yeah, twos um would you get a gpu for that as well?

Speaker 1: 20:23

yeah, yeah, I've got the little ipod.

Speaker 2: 20:25

I don't know where it is, it's somewhere around here, um, but you know, I love that device, but I've barely used it.

Speaker 1: 20:30

Why? Because or I'm not going to sit there with a pair of glasses on and then the people that I work with can't actually see what's going on. So what we're actually thinking of doing is actually moving the X-Reels to the workroom.

Speaker 2: 20:43

This is where there is a use case for Vision Pro, because it would be amazing and actually this is how I could get Vision Pro Get a client in with a mirror and some app that shows their body with their clothes on them. No, no, no.

Speaker 1: 21:03

I wasn't thinking about that in with a mirror and some app that shows their body with their clothes on them, so you can see what we're thinking with the with our shoe, because we design our shoes in a virtual space. Yeah, so you get sized and then we design your shoe together. So what I was thinking is I take the x reel to the workroom next week when the clients are in shoe design mode, I actually say to them put the glasses on, and then put your shoes on, get that big 330 inch screen yeah in hd and then see how they react.

Speaker 1: 21:24

I I reckon you know if that gets the wow factor, we could invest in a vision pro. As a business, you strap that on your client's head instead put them up on on Mount Everest or somewhere, or on a racetrack, or you know buy the thing if it's a pair of Sebagos.

Speaker 2: 21:41

What you need to do is you need to get your iPad 4 out and you need to get into MathsNote and write yourself an equation which works out how many pairs of shoes you'd need to sell to make it worth buying Ocean Pro. And then that calculation, add a variable in of you know how soon you can buy it, and plug it all in to see what works out there, Because you can imagine that, yeah, ten pairs of hand grades will do it.

Speaker 1: 22:03

I've already worked at it. I've already done all the calculations.

Speaker 2: 22:05

I thought you might, yeah. So going back to five minutes ago, when you said we know this is going to happen.

Speaker 1: 22:11

Yeah, you've just enabled me. But anyway, back to iPad. I mean I spent nearly three grand talking about Vision Pro because I got iPads, keyboards, pencil Pro. What else did I get? I got a Smart Folio cover so I could just use it in that when I'm just walking around to protect it. And then I got Apple Care Plus so it was like nearly 2,800 quid.

Speaker 2: 22:38

Crazy.

Speaker 1: 22:38

I walked out and I was like, oh my God, what have I just done? But, honestly, within a week I'd forgotten about it.

Speaker 2: 22:45

Because I'm so happy with this. This is perfect.

Speaker 1: 22:48

I don't think I'm going to want to change it for a few years.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Brilliant, very happy yeah, me too.

Speaker 1: 22:58

I've got over the hole because I was very much on the bandwagon of these. Ipads have got so much processing power that's not being utilized by the OS. I wish they would make iPadOS more like macOS, but I'm now kind of changing my view on that.

Speaker 2: 23:07

One thing I noticed when I bought it straight away, when I got it out of the box already and it was all synced with my old iPad and so on, was when I'm down in my living room near my router because I have a 5G router the spread's not quite so good in the house. It's good, but my bedroom's fine. Obviously, make sure that was correct. But when I came down to the living room, apps installed super quick on it way quicker than the other one, and that's probably because of the processing speed. Once you downloaded them it's installed much more quickly to the point where it became like this is like the adverts, where it says not real representation of that install. It was really quick, it just went around and that is a real tiny little kind of just improvement that makes such a difference. You know it just makes it easy.

Speaker 1: 23:54

It's the same, by the way, on the M3 MacBook Air Right, and it is the same on the iPhone 15 Pro, right, by the way.

Speaker 2: 24:04

It's a nice process to figure out. I'm slowly getting closer to the complete new stuff, but it is lovely just to have those little upgrades and appreciate them. I do try and appreciate these things. That's what it's all about when you're a bit of a tech addict like us. But yeah, it's a lovely device.

Speaker 1: 24:18

It is.

Speaker 1: 24:20

I mean the whole thing about iPadOS and why I've kind of come around to being a bit more reasonable about it and not wanting to turn my ipad into a macbook, is because you know there are situations where the ipads okay. So the macbook is amazing at doing macbook things, the ipad is great at doing ipad things. The macbook can't really do a lot of ipad things because you can't really do a lot of iPad things because you can't draw on it, you can't touch it, but I've got the iPad for that. The iPad can do MacBook things. So it does iPad things great. It does MacBook things. Okay, and that's fine for me.

Speaker 2: 24:57

Yeah, for me the biggest problem is the Files app. It's a bit of a weird thing. The file structure on a Mac is way more reliable. It's the file structure on an iPad is the files app. It's a bit of a weird thing and you know, the file structure on a mac is way more reliable and if it's just it's the file structure, like that is the only thing setting it down. And if they could improve that, which I think they probably will, I wonder at some point if apple intelligence will let you sort your files out without going into the explorer at some point. But, um, you have to have a massive memory for your file names for that. But yeah, I don't know. That's the only.

Speaker 2: 25:20

There are some weak areas still, but we've, we kind of. You know if, so many years of using the ipad, we're kind of used to them, aren't we really? It's kind of a, it's a way of thinking. But I agree with you. I'm happy using, I'm doing, I'm recording this on my ipad, you're doing on your, on your macbook, and straight away. You can't do what I can do behind me, because you're using it through a chrome window and I'm using it through an app. I don't know if that app is installable on the Riverside app on the Mac, but I've got that little extra feature straight. You'll be like, oh, how do you do that In the podcast? Like it just seemed to work. It just worked, which is kind of what Apple like saying, don't they?

Speaker 1: 25:53

Yeah, exactly. The last thing. I'll just kind of leave you with, because some maybe hung up on what John said at the start, that he's got the binned chip. And yeah, it's true, because I've got the one terabyte version. So I've got 16 gigs of RAM and I've got all cores of graphics, exactly, but that one core doesn't really make much of difference. There's two reasons for that. Number one uh, let's give you the car analogy. If I've got a Mustang that pulls 480 horsepower and John's in an Austin Mini 1 litre Austin Mini, no, a Mini, not a Healey, that's barely got 36 horsepower, but we're both driving through central London where you can only drive at 20 miles an hour the Mini's going to do the job just as well as the mustang will. Um, so it all depends on what you're actually doing with it.

Speaker 1: 26:49

The second thing that I was and and the fact is that most of us are not using pushing these devices to their limits. I need to do a final cut pro comparison. I did the longest video edit on the macbook air the other day and the encode took. It was a 14 gig file, I want to say, and it was about an hour and a half hour and 20 minutes long video and the encode took about 35 40 minutes. It was the first time I'd literally had to like okay, you just do your thing, I'm gonna go and do something else and I'll come back to you later. I want to do a comparison with the M4 iPad, so I will do that soon.

Speaker 1: 27:27

The other thing is that there are a lot of app developers that haven't. Their apps aren't capable of taking advantage of more than eight gigs of RAM. So even if you've got 16 gigs sitting there, like I have, a lot of apps are not permitted to use that extra headspace, so it wouldn't make a difference anyway. Now, the only thing at the back of my mind as to why I I wanted 16 gigs of RAM is because I was having this debate about the MacBook Air that I bought two months ago and I just thought you know what I'm going to go 512, 16 gigs of RAM, I don't need to worry about replacing this thing for a while. And it was kind of the same thinking with the ipad, despite what I've just said. And then the whole nano texture thing came into the equation.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Then I had to go one terabyte anyway you know I think people aren't aware of that you can't get the nano textured ipad in less than a terabyte can you can't?

Speaker 1: 28:17

no, that's it so if you've been liking the sound of what I've been saying about all this. You don't get reflection on the display, etc. Um, you've got to, unfortunately, spend at least 1900 to get it, which is, when you think about it rationally, is a crazy amount of money to spend on a 13 inch piece of glass and aluminium and copper. It's ridiculous, but that's the world we live in. So you know, I'm very grateful that I'm able to afford it. I mean, to be fair, I would have sold a kidney or something.

Speaker 2: 28:51

He's not going to left. By the way, folks, I'm not human.

Speaker 1: 28:55

I am literally a cyborg. I've just sold so many body parts, so, yeah, so I wouldn't feel too bad about it. It's. I mean, my m1 ipad was still fine. It did everything. It flew through everything like a hot knife through through butter. But the reason I got rid of it is because it was bloody heavy, and that's that was the biggest reason for the upgrade. For me was the fact that this thing I mean picking it is it feels easily half the weight of the previous gen with the keyboard, and that makes a big difference to me in my life, because I have to carry a lot of things around every day, including fabric and suits and whatnot. And just having you know that 1.8 kilos, I think it was it doesn't sound like much, but you know it.8 kilos, I think it was, it doesn't sound like much, but you know it's half a small dog and you know that, yeah, exactly, I've got two of them.

Speaker 1: 29:49

So yeah, there we go but are you happy three weeks later? Very, very happy with it.

Speaker 2: 29:54

Yeah, very happy. Yeah, good, I haven't gone out the house with you. I'm too scared to get out the house with it and don't travel with it, but I will at some point, yeah did you get apple? Care plus, or did you not bother? No, I've got it on my phone so I'm not paying it twice. I generally like the phones out about people and you know the last one I had, I shut and took shut my car door yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2: 30:14

That's why I've taken that up but, um, but I tend to be a bit more precious with the ipad pro. I tend to not. You know it's, it's my prized possession, so love it.

Speaker 1: 30:24

And so you should be. That's one thing that I've been saying to some of you lately when you've been asking questions about scratching the screen. What's it like? Can you drop? You know when you drop it? Well, guess what? I've spent a lot of money on it.

Speaker 2: 30:36

I'm treating it with respect, and that's what you should do with anything you invest a lot of your hard earned in. Go go to ifixit and can, can you, can you, can you blend it for those?

Speaker 1: 30:46

sort of videos. I don't know is that where they?

Speaker 2: 30:48

do the teardowns. Yeah, I fixed it. I did actually watch the the teardown of the m4 ipad and it was very interesting. They were very, um complimentary about how it's improved the insides in terms of accessibility and replacing the batteries and so on, and how it's been strengthened. Because, you know, for one of the iPad range, there was an iPad that kept bending people's pockets and things and bags, so it's a lot stronger. And they're impressed with the cooling features inside as well. It kind of has to be cooler because it's more powerful. So, yeah, that was very it's a good video to watch. The ethics of people are very good I might post.

Speaker 1: 31:24

It depends how good quality the pictures are, but I was in Shard offices yesterday. I haven't sent you the pictures yet. I'll drop them into the Discord for you and Alex, but they've got on display in frames the innards, the original BlackBerry, the iFriend 3G, the Pocket Game Boy, the Nintendo Pocket Game Boy, the Segaintendo pocket game boy, the sega game gear. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, um, and a couple of other things. I took photos for you and alex because I thought you'd really appreciate it, but I might just put them into a reel.

Speaker 2: 31:55

There's someone who discloses all those devices.

Speaker 1: 31:58

I'm sure I follow instagram, but I want to be the same person they've got all the components in a frame behind glass and then they've got an explanation and a description. So the iPhone 3G, I think they say it's got something like 128 megabytes of RAM and you think where we are today 128 megabytes, I know Wow.

Speaker 2: 32:16

Yeah, I've still got an iPhone 3G under my bed somewhere. I'll have to look it up.

Speaker 1: 32:20

It might somewhere in my under my bed somewhere Might be worth a few bucks.

Speaker 2: 32:25

Listen, you could auction that off and get a Vision Pro. I don't think it's worth that much.

Speaker 1: 32:29

There's two minutes around, yeah, but there's people paying crazy money for older iPhones out there. Okay, I'll have to look it up. I reckon you should. You could have a Vision Pro waiting under your bed, John Evans.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Who's enabling who here, Bobby?

Speaker 1: 32:44

Yeah, I know, but you enabled me, but we said that we would do it together, so I've got to find a way to get you there. So get that iPhone 3G out right, all right.

Speaker 2: 32:54

If anyone's actually watching this, tell me how much you think John's iPhone 3G is worth. Yeah, leave a comment.

Speaker 1: 33:02

One person will still be here leave a comment brilliant right, let's leave it there we're both knackered. It's Thursday night, we're old brilliant, but iPad Pro, it's definitely a recommend if you can afford it and if you can't, there is an alternative.

Speaker 1: 33:17

It's called the MacBook Air. I will do that video for you, lovely lot, in the next few days and get that up next week. So there we go, but for now, john, thank you so much. Thanks everyone for listening and watching. This has been Tailoring Talk in its transitional period as it metamorphs into whatever it's going to be I don't even know if that's a proper word and we will be back Bondathon next-ish.

Speaker 2: 33:42

Awesome. Looking forward to it. Bye-bye.