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Style Meets Strategy: Set Boundaries & Bring Out Your Bad Bitch Energy with Dr. Syreeta Bond
Get ready for an electrifying episode with Dr. Syreeta Bond, who's transforming the world of fashion and branding!
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- How Dr. Bond transitioned from tech and finance to lead the Edgy Opulence Lifestyle Brand and Lipstick Killers Collection.
- How to create an empowering and accessible style.
- Strategies for managing life's chaos, setting boundaries, and practicing self-compassion.
- Insights on challenging cultural stigmas and embracing resilience.
- The intersection of AI and personal style, and the importance of authenticity in a saturated market.
Join us for a journey where style meets strategy with Dr. Syreeta Bond, and discover how to make your mark with authenticity and boldness!
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Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought that I was getting that kind of undercurrent in your tone and I was like I can feel so, oh, but I'm not from Texas.
Speaker 2:I'm not from Texas, I just live in.
Speaker 1:Where are you from?
Speaker 2:I'm from Delaware.
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Speaker 2:Yes, you are. I love you for that. Yes, you are Number one place for business because everyone that's incorporated is incorporated in Delaware Apple, Microsoft, like everybody's incorporated in Delaware, because they got like hella tax savings. Like you don't pay taxes, basically, yeah.
Speaker 1:I have no idea how I know that, wow, but I kind of, yeah, it's nice, right, when you kind of someone says, oh no, I'm actually from, and then like you know something about that place. But yeah, anyway, sorry, she's probably thinking, oh my God, she's crazy, brilliant, right, let's go Welcome to welcome to Taylor and talk. I'm Roberto Rivera, the spoke Taylor, an owner of Roberto Rivera London's suit Shaten she Makeers. I weave superpowers into every stitch. Join us as we meet self starters and creators, diving into their journeys and uncovering valuable lessons to help you be the best you can be. Hit, subscribe, leave me a rating and let's take a greatness together.
Speaker 1:Today's guest is the founder of Edgy Opulence Lifestyle Branding. Following a career in project management spanning 20 years working with the likes of Apple and Barclays, she combines project management expertise with a keen sense of style. She's also the founder of the Lipstick Killers Collection, with a passion for making style accessible to everyone. Here to talk fashion creation and accessible lifestyle branding tailoring talkers. Please welcome Bond, dr Sirita Bond, to the show. Dr Bond, how are you? Sorry, I always wanted to do that.
Speaker 2:I do that when someone they've been like Bond, I'm like. No, it's Bond like 007. Hello, hi, so nice to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:You're welcome. So you're calling all the way from Texas. I'm trying to think like 150 something episodes in. Are you our first Texan? No, but you're not from Texas originally. You're from Delaware. As we established at the tail end of our prequel, which I'll probably include in the final edit, there is so much that I want to get into with you that we're probably not even going to have time for today, so I'm just going to say it right out of the bat we might have to do this all over again. You are, for all that and I mean this in the nicest way You're kind of a bad bitch.
Speaker 2:Yes, I am Thank you, thank you, oh, that's such a compliment.
Speaker 1:My listeners are now confused.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is OK. If you even look on my Instagram, it says the bad bitch of PM, like I don't. Yeah, I take bad bitchness and bad bitchery energy with everything that I do because, yeah, that's just how I am, that's how I get down, yeah.
Speaker 1:Where did that phrase come from, or that title kind of come from?
Speaker 2:Well, you know what that's going to start talking about my book, because, yeah, because I was thinking like I'm bitch to me, like I know it could be a bad word to some, but it's just like a normal, like noun for me, like I say, if bitches are down, it could be anything, but I don't look at it as a negative way. And when I was writing my book Unless You're in a Bad Bitch I was thinking about what exactly does it mean to be a bad bitch? You get different connotations about it. People are like, oh, you know, it's someone that does their own thing, it's a woman in power, or it's like an evil woman, or you know, you don't take no shit, anything like that but really it's.
Speaker 2:I kind of broke it down to be like an acronym so it's being brave, ambitious, determined, bold, intelligent, talented, creative and heroic. Because I encompass all those things in my life and in everything that I do, every business that I run, everything that I work on. And I was like, yeah, that is what a bad bitch is, someone that's like doing everything they can to make their lives better, to make their family lives better. And then also with the style with it, because I have my own style. I always wear big earrings, hoops, bright colors, even though I'm wearing black today. It's that's not the point, but still, you know, just all of it is like bad bitchery and that's how it, kind of like, came to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I, you know, the reason I was kind of hesitating at the start is because I generally don't know where to start with you. And it's not like I'm not prepared because you should see the notes and I have been stalking you like crazy. But you know you have done so much for someone who is so, so young, this project management thing that you do as your day job. What do you do? Start when you're like five years old or something.
Speaker 2:No, I'm in my 40s. I mean I don't look good. I know, Good lighting and. I have black black dark and all of that you know, black, don't crack.
Speaker 2:But no, I started in my late 20s. Well, it's funny because I started off in banking, because I'm from Delaware, so there's nothing but banks there and, like everyone from Delaware has a bank job, it is what it is. So I started in banking but then eased into fashion, trying to find this like high split skirt. I wanted it so bad to go to this event and my mom is a seamstress so she was like I'll make it for you or I'll teach you how to make it. So that's where my fashion kind of like basically developed from making clothes. So I used to make all of my clothes and sell like custom pieces. But then the project management piece came into that.
Speaker 2:When I made that bold move, I moved to Atlanta from Delaware with no job, one paycheck and just a dream of hustling my clothes to boutiques. And then that's how my project management career started. When I moved to Atlanta, I started working for Apple and I met two people that were project managers and they were like hey, you know that I'm a project manager and I do exactly what you do Manage projects, do like events and stuff like that. And I was like, really. And he's like yeah, and I get paid like 95 K a year. I was like, wait a minute what? You're making my little $35,000. I was like, wait a minute, what? So that's how it kind of started and I really enjoy project management. It's like it's everything the processes and managing your projects being organized, planning, that is all me, like it's natural to me. So that's how it kind of expanded out and now I incorporate project management and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and no wonder you're, because you're obviously good at that, but no wonder you've been able to, because you still do that. It's your main business, but then you also have you also have your fashion line as well, and somewhere within all of this you also have managed to find time to write a book, which is coming out in a couple months time, you know. So it's obvious to me that you obviously bring all of the skills that you have from your main career into every other part of your life. Yeah, and it would sound really stupid for me to actually ask it as a question, but I mean, obviously that is by design, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I had to be really strategic in how you get everything done, especially me. I'm a serial multi-tasker, I can't help it. I always have a lot going on but I don't like feeling overwhelmed. So that's why, like, project management helped me like keep organized, keep everything like straight, and then you know pivoting. That's like scope changing and project management. So, learning how to pivot, learning how to manage difficult life situations, conflicts, all of that is like life and I see that.
Speaker 2:And then you know, with the hard times I had, like when I first started my fashion business, manufacturing everything on my own, that was brutal. I remember going to work and coming home and basically staying up to 6 am not getting any sleep, trying to make like 20 dresses to ship off to a store in the Virgin Islands. Like it was brutal. So I had to change a lot of ways, like a lot of the ways I did things and I was like, wait a minute, I can just make a plan. I can like break this down. I can break it down to deliverables and milestones and tasks, like it just all kind of like clicked and made sense. So that's how I manage my like maniac life that I have Project management.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but with all that said, it's like people. So again, I'm very visual, as you can imagine, and all my listeners are rolling their eyes and like here he goes again. But I mean, look tough, you guys are here every single week Like we've only just met. You know, for me it's like a, and a lot of entrepreneurs, self starters etc. Go through this where you imagine you're carrying a serving platter, right, and you kind of have a few things on it and that's kind of manageable. But then with everything that you have to do, I mean you know personal life stuff for business, and then you know a lot of business owners. They aren't just doing one job within the business. Usually they're doing most of the jobs in the business, at least for the first few years, and then suddenly this platter that you're carrying gets piled up and piled up, and piled up.
Speaker 1:Then you get customer demands and deadlines and you know tax returns and God knows what else and that all starts to pile up and then eventually you're up here to the ceiling with stuff and you're kind of trying to balance everything. Stuff's falling off right. So you've got customers like hey, I emailed you the other day. You still oh yeah, you're on my radar, but you know I've had all this other stuff to deal with. I'm sorry. Blah, blah, blah. You have to be able to set boundaries. People listening to you might think well, she's a professional project manager, she can actually handle everything. But I'm guessing that's not true. How do you set boundaries? Do you set boundaries and how do you set them?
Speaker 2:Yes, I do, which I had to learn because my day job is very demanding, especially when I'm like launching a new product. Oh, it's brutal. But luckily I have a leadership team that is supportive and they want you to have boundaries, which is not really common in a lot of corporate jobs that you know. People just like no, you need to be in for 80 hours a week. No, it's not like that. So, but I do set boundaries because I have to. So I try my best to not, you know, like to absolutely log off at like six pm, seven pm, but start my day super early too, but I get a lot done during that time. But after that is straight like after six, I'm like already into business mode. I'm already into OK, how can my my fat like what I got to do for my fashion business? Do I need to update my website? Let's get some products in Things like that. And then working on my book Thank goodness I had took a break.
Speaker 1:If you can hear me, I've totally lost you.
Speaker 2:Oh shoot, I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 1:There we go.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Right, so I lost you. I'm sorry. We were talking about boundaries. You might have to start again.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1:I've seen that again. How do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you? I knew this was going to be fun, but do you used to see my Bengal cats tail?
Speaker 2:No, I just see I've seen like a ear and a whisper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she's a Bengal. Okay, you want the embodiment of the title of your book. She's right here, she just turned up, she's your spirit animal. She's a bitch in every single way, the good and the bad. So, syrita, dr Bond, I am so sorry. How do you set boundaries? Do you set boundaries, how do you set them? Or, because you are so amazing at PM stuff, do you just take everything on and you just manage to manage it?
Speaker 2:I would say it's a little bit of both, but I'm starting to set more boundaries. I can be honest, I used to do it all nonstop all the time and then we went around where I'm at. So I have to set boundaries, especially with my job, because it's so demanding. So I try to log off between six and seven, depending on what like psychotic project I'm working on, but definitely log off there and then truly focus on my businesses. But I kind of automated a lot of things with my businesses too, which is like a blessing. But I give myself grace because if I don't post every day, that's fine, which my PR would kill me for saying that. But I'm not beating myself up. I can't, because I'm just too busy for that. But I definitely set boundaries and I do say no to certain things. I don't have FOMO. I used to be a party animal before I became a mother and I loved going out, going to happy hours, meeting up with everybody, doing all the things. But now that I'm a mom it's like okay, sitter, do I have a sitter? Is my mom going to be visiting? Can I use her when she comes visit, like I am now? So now I can hurry up and go outside, since she's here and she can watch her. But it's just yeah, like no.
Speaker 2:You have to set boundaries, you have to balance your things out, but not beat yourself up for it. I think that's the most important piece of it is that you're not failing Just because you're tasteless of 20, you only got to like five. That is so okay, and I set realistic goals too. The timing has to be perfect in order for, you know, to get things done the right way. I want things done the right way. I don't like rushing like I used to. So if it takes time it takes a year, it takes six months. Some things I can bust out and knock out in like a week or a day, but if it can't be done and I'm like getting obstacles, if I'm like stuff is like you know, like preventing me from getting it done in the time that I set, then I'll just pivot and choose another timeframe.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Those are like my own personal boundaries that I do, but yeah, definitely not like killing myself or going crazy for things that I don't get done. It's okay.
Speaker 1:And you know we kind of have that added pressure because you know, both having fashion businesses, what we do is obviously very visual. If people can't see what we do, they're not going to be inspired. And you know, maybe you know we don't get orders and all that kind of stuff. To kind of be good at it, that's probably not the right phrase, but my cat's just given me really evil looks right now and I'm just worried about what she's just about to do.
Speaker 1:You know, sometimes I feel guilty when I go a few days, or I used to feel guilty when I when I when I would go a few days without posting and then I would be like, oh my God, I'm failing, like there's so much pressure with what we do. And then when you add in podcasting and then just general kind of running your business stuff and needing to market and promote yourself, you know the constant pressure to, to, to feel like you have to keep up with it, can really really kind of stress you out, work you out. You know you're really bad health and so on. It's really interesting that you said there that you don't have foam anymore, that you're okay if you go a few days without posting something. Do you think that just comes with age, wisdom, experience, or did you, did you kind of suffer any kind of point of trauma like burnout or anything that kind of helped you to get into that place?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, man, I was man, I it was just life was life thing. I felt so like trapped. I had a few instances where I had this I call it like an inner itch in my spirit and I was just like, okay, something needs to change or I'm not the blood whole world up. So I was like I can't do this, I can't do this, I hate this, I hate my life. Like, when I start thinking like that, then I'm like hold on, hold on, let me. Let me get right back to it, let me get centered.
Speaker 2:So I had a few major moments in my life, like when I left to go to Atlanta with nothing. That was a moment where I couldn't be in Delaware anymore. I just couldn't. It was killing me, it was bothering me so much and I constantly had this weight and itch like and I just couldn't take it. So I was like let me just do a dress to change that change.
Speaker 2:Though it was so hard, I didn't. There was no strategy involved. I said I'm moving to Atlanta and that's it, with nothing. Don't do that. But if you need to do that, do it, but don't do it. I don't recommend it. But you have to make this drastic change and, as women too, we will cut our hair. It's simple for us to just cut our hair and then everything is going, and then we'll automatically get re-centered and we're just ready to take it back on again, because that's another way, which I did.
Speaker 2:I chopped all that off, but, yeah, it forced me to kind of like step back and then I finally started therapy because I just did not want to be at risk of doing anything like stupid. So I started therapy and, of course, being a black woman, afro-latina woman, therapy is just like a statement. It's like tapu, you don't need therapy, you need to go to church, you need to pray about it, you need this and that. It's like you don't need to go to therapy because they're going to think you're crazy.
Speaker 2:Now that went out the window because, for one, it was like a benefit at my job and, two, everybody's like dude, tell to a therapist, that's all you got to do. I was like, oh, okay. So I finally started going to therapy and I was like, oh my God, this is such a relief to get this out. And then they give you tips on how to manage your hectic life and guide you and stuff. Meditation helps me, all the things, so that really saved me too, especially when I was living in Dubai. I needed meditation to get through that whole.
Speaker 2:This is a completely different world. I didn't realize how free I was in America until I went there.
Speaker 2:I can't do it Great, so yeah, so it's just like you have to find those outlets and release. You have to release what's bothering you. You have to get that stuff off your shoulders or you will get birthed out. You will become overwhelmed and you may do something drastic, or you may just completely fall off and just lay in a bed for a whole month straight and no one knows what's going on. It's just like no. As soon as you start feeling some heaviness heaviness and itch inside of you, do something about it so you can keep moving forward.
Speaker 1:Moving from Delaware. That was the beginning of that, right, because you obviously, whatever was going on over there, it just built up inside you until you were like a shaking Coke bottle ready to explode all over the place. And then, yeah, you just kind of made that drastic change. You were like, right, I'm going. No plan, you're just going to get out of this.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then you know, you use the word outlet and I was thinking exactly the same thing. Because when we think of all those moments where, you know, we start to feel burnt out, frustrated, we can't cope with what's going on around us or we're reacting in a way that isn't the person that we want to be. It's because there's no release, because just everything is like, just like a pressure cooker about to blow and we don't have that valve just to let the steam out. Right, yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think about people that are going through that today. But I feel like it's different now with social media. There's so many different ways like people are helping each other out, but social media also puts that pressure on you too, like when you were talking about the pressure and constantly posting and staying up on trends and stuff like that it is. That in itself is stressful. So I changed my social media feed like completely. I have like the people that I follow, that I love and everything, but I also like I kind of like reprogram the algorithm to just give me straight like motivational stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you know, I get a slide in, you know the ads and all that post, and I just feel like, oh, I like trick the algorithm so that way when I'm seeing something, I'm seeing something that's like motivating, because I can't post something motivating every day, because every day I'm not feeling motivational. You know, I'm handling my business.
Speaker 1:I'm doing this.
Speaker 2:So I changed it that way. So that way, it's constant empowerment. So that keeps me sane too. And I know I spoke with someone recently, the other day and then we're talking about the pressure that their girlfriend is feeling because she's a content creator and she's just like I need time to make content. I need time. What are you? Why are you so pressed? Why is not happening overnight? Don't believe these videos. Oh, I made a million dollars and one night posting a video without my face.
Speaker 2:Man, they're not telling you the grind that comes along with it, the work. Nothing is easy. You have to bust, but every single day, fashion is brutal. We have to think of designs, be creative. I'm a sustainable fashion designer, so I'm thinking about all the sustainability goals that I have. How can I make my business better? How can I find a more organic product? What you know? Manufacturers making t-shirts that are like hemp based or coconut based or bamboo based, like it's constant and I'm just like no, I'm not rushing, I'm not going crazy, I'm not going to drive myself crazy. Things are going to come when they need to come.
Speaker 2:I just need to be really strategic in what I do. There is no overnight, nothing, nothing. I've been doing this for 20 years and in 20 years I was saying five year increments. There was like, oh, here we go. Oh, here we go. Now, here's the next level. All right, and I'm still not done. I'm still not finished and I'm still not where I want to be. But hell, I made a lot of progress along the way. Don't like, it takes time. It takes time. I really want the young people to understand that and stop putting that pressure on yourself, because social media change your feed man, change your damn feed.
Speaker 1:I started doing the same thing, so there will be people listening to this that will now realize what I've been doing. But you look at Instagram, right, seems to be platform of choice. It's kind of where I've worked out it's probably the best place for me to be, along with YouTube. So I'm just focusing on those two. But then when you look at what else is going on and you know you might be having a bad day, and then suddenly you're seeing something or they might be something going in your life that's not great. And then you see someone else posting something. What's even worse is when you see someone post something about how awesome everything is, but you know it's BS. Like you know for a fact it's BS, and you're just like, why? Right, and so okay, fine is their life, they can do wherever the hell they want to do.
Speaker 1:I have to take some responsibility for myself, and so what I decided to do most recently is basically, when it comes to posting, if I don't feel like posting, or I don't, I'm not in the right frame of mind to create a piece of content, then I'm not gonna do it, because I'd rather you know if I'm gonna create something, I need to be inspiring or helping somebody Right either inspiring them to show them what can be, or teaching them something, a skill that they can then take, like how to fold a pair of pants or whatever. And if and if I'm just not in the mood for it that day, then I'm not gonna do it right for the sake of it, and that's a and that's okay. Who cares like? Someone asked me recently and said your energy is kind of different because you haven't really been posting since the beginning of the year. And I'm like, yeah, because I've had a lot going on in my personal life and I just can't be asked right now, but I really genuinely, I don't give it. You know what.
Speaker 1:Right and that's okay, like so what? That's okay, it's nice to know that I missed, but I'm not. You know, as soon as I start to feel that pressure cooker that start to rise, whatever it is that's happening, in that moment, I think it's so important to recognize that and acknowledge it and then say okay, do you know what? I need to stop right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know something like it's okay to take a break. It is okay. You need to be in your right mind, like if we're going to be out here Influencing and educating and and just like being as helpful as you can. I can't be helpful from pissed off Because I'm just going to say anything and then we're like, oh god, let me delete that. No, no, you do have to be in the right frame of mind.
Speaker 1:I totally get that, having worked in corporate life, built businesses, continuing to build Um, dealt with your own kind of personal growth journey, and so on, you have this monumental thing happening In weeks from now, which is so I'm so excited for you. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy which is your book.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What was the process of? I'm gonna ask. I want to ask you how the hell you've worked out how to fit the time in to do it. But Let me ask you this instead what was the process of writing the book like for you?
Speaker 2:Okay, so my first book actually is my doctoral study.
Speaker 1:Huh, sorry, there's another, but oh my god, yeah, because this is something else I wanted to ask you as well, because in the back of my mind I'm thinking they're probably thinking he started this whole thing off saying Dr Bond, where did? Where did the Dr Bond come in? Is that a branding thing? Is she a real doctor? I'm guessing you're real doctor because you're hyper intelligent. Sorry, do tell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my first book is my doctoral study and I turned it into a book. I have it on Amazon and everything, a Libre's and born in Nova, I'm like. But it's my doctoral study and that was five years of complete torture. I am so dumb with school I'm there's nothing else to do. I might get another project manager certification, that's it. I'm not doing nothing else with school and plus my student loan or mortgage, that's another conversation. But so that's my first book, which was horrendous to do. Writing your dissertation it's insane. But the level of research that you have to do and just like the writing over and over and the critique it felt I was like, ok, now I'm going to write a book that's personal and shares my experiences. It's going to be more relatable because my book is on in the national. Ok, here's the title, my first book international project strategies to reduce the negative impact on triple constraints. So Hello, hello, I think I lost you.
Speaker 1:Sorry, what International? I don't even.
Speaker 2:I got it right here.
Speaker 1:Can I buy it? And I designed it on Canva international project strategies to reduce the negative impact of triple constraints Wow.
Speaker 2:I said OK, so let me write something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah with it, with a snappier title, right.
Speaker 2:Which is like the real me, the academia me At least. You're in a bad bitch. Is the real me, it's the tea and like this is how I talk all the time. So you know everybody's just like wait a minute, you're Dr Bond. I'm like yeah, I'm not sure you're a doctor.
Speaker 1:Dr Bond is like Dr Bond, come on. So you know it's badass right.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I don't have the bond cars to go with it, not yet it all come. So this was horrendous, this. And then when I had it printed I was like, oh, it's just this, like it's like what? 180 pages, but it felt like 180 years. But this is the first baby. So then the second baby.
Speaker 2:I'm like, ok, now I'm going to pour my heart and soul into it. I'm going to talk about the experiences I went through in toxic work environments because it was real, yeah, it's deep. I swear I should have went to HR with every job I've had, but I didn't. But I talk about that and how I didn't fight back, how I did fight back, but also all involving project management, of course, because that is my life on PMP, certified and just like it goes from my corporate and obstacles, breaking glass ceilings, how you can pave the way, and then the actual self care that you can do to mental health, physical health, things like that, because I had challenges and all of that.
Speaker 2:So, yes, that is my baby. It's like it really is, like me pouring my heart and soul into it. But it was very therapeutic and triggering because I had to really recount the exact way things have went and when I seen it on paper it's like damn, how come I didn't do anything about that? So I had to explain that in the book too, like OK, this is how I felt at that time. It's really personal, but I know that is stories that almost everyone that had an issue being the only in your corporate role If you're the only in your industry, yeah, you're going to be going through some stuff and everything is going to be relatable and I just hope that it helps people and let people know that you're not alone at all. We all going through it, and then these are ways that you can overcome it. So, yeah, that's the new baby, but please support this If you're in the international project strategies, the triple constraints thing is what intrigues me.
Speaker 1:It might just be my dirty mind, but I mean not to take away from the seriousness of what you just shared. People don't often or ever even, I think realize just how tough it can be, because you and I will both know, having worked in corporate environments as a minority ethnically. But then you get the double whammy of being a woman as well. So Michelle Wolfe was just over. I don't know if you know Michelle Wolfe the comedian. She's one of your lot. She's the one who is it the White House Correspondents Dinner that you all have every. And she, you know she got kicked out by the Republicans or something because she obviously was telling the truth about you know who.
Speaker 1:So she was over recently. So we saw her live like literally just last week. A week ago I was sat like this far from her. I was front row. She's so awesome and the lady who was supporting her Marley, I know it was Michelle actually who basically was saying that. I mean she was. She was basically saying, as one anecdote she gave was like during World War Two, the they, they had women become spies because no one would believe that women could do that job.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because you know they thought they were stupid, which we know is totally not the case. And you fast forward to today and you know, I see it in a lot of work environments that I go to and it's like they're all saying diversity and inclusivity and all of this quite frank bullshit. Right, it's all like virtue signaling crap that a lot of these corporations are doing because, okay, I'm going to probably get into trouble if I actually named them, but a very, very big global, probably like FTSE 100. And I'm going to probably get into trouble if I actually named them, but a very big global, probably like FTSE 100. But but then it came out that the pay gap between male and female executives was still like wildly disproportionate. Right, and I'm trying to illustrate a point extremely badly here.
Speaker 1:But just going back to your personal experiences, I think people don't often consider just how bad it can be. Because you were saying you were putting things down on paper, like things that happen to you and I can imagine what some of those things were, and you're looking at it and you're thinking, how did I put up with that? Why didn't I go and talk to someone about this? Well, there's a damn good reason why you didn't because of the way that corporate culture makes people who are either minority or female, or both, feel that you can't, because it could be career-rending.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because you got to worry about retaliation even though every company has a retaliation policy, of course, but still you can't control how people think.
Speaker 2:You just need to replace all the butt heads and racism and you just need to replace the people that are in charge. And because they're going to think the way they're going to think anyway, they're going to treat you the way they're going to treat you anyway. I feel like it has changed quite a bit because of all the stuff that America went through, especially like George Floyd and all the protests, and more diversity and inclusion and equity is happening in companies. But it's weird, because that was such a strong message and everybody was like you know what? Like the good people came out, the allies came out, but that was then, and some of the people that are way up there are still in charge. So it's like starting to die down and wear off, which is sad, but there's still hope, we're still, there's still people fighting. So now it's like to the point now, all of us that are still in the trenches that are having made it to that C-suite and executive level, yet we're building our own communities.
Speaker 2:We're supporting each other. You can't stop that. We don't need your diversity section. We don't need you to hire us.
Speaker 1:We're going to do our own thing regardless.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, like we're just going to.
Speaker 2:We're going to build our own communities and we're going to help each other out, because we can't rely on y'all unless you change who's in charge and get the people that don't or not getting with the program and getting to a society where, like, we all can work together and respect each other. If you're not getting rid of them all right, then we'll start our own. So it's just it's getting to that point. Now there's there's been such an influx of like businesses, especially with the pandemic and everything that happened. These like these, have been the last like crazy ass, like six years as a, as a people in this planet, and we all were going through it globally. That's the thing that's really crazy. It wasn't just America, it was globally. We was all like toe up these last like five or six years and it's just the amount of like self-consciousness and growth that people went through in these last like now.
Speaker 2:You can't stop it. We don't need to. Are you going to let them go or can we? Can we vote them out? Can we do this? Can we do that? Okay, if not, then we're just going to make it happen. We're going to make it happen regardless. We're going to support each other regardless and they can't stop that. But, dan, I wish y'all would just like it with the program, cause it's frustrating. I can't tell you how to. I can't tell you how to be, like diversity Don't ask me about this and that you supposed to set these things and make these changes on your own. I'm tired of telling you what to do to help me. No, you get it together Like for real, like we're going to be doing our own thing over here, like we don't got time for that. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:And you know anyone who's listening here, because that's the thing as well, right, it's like do you know, I worked for a big American company for seven years and I, you know, the thing I loved about it is I got to come to the states regularly and you know I just love you guys over there, although some states are weird, and you know. But I remember, like first incident with with with a prejudice, I guess, was you know, we were over there for a conference and then the kind of bit where everybody kind of sits and there's loads of different tables to have a meal and I've got my plate and I'm going over and I'm like I don't want to sit with my lot from Europe, but I want to go meet some American people. So I went over to a table and it was people from Kentucky and you know places like that, and I was like, is this seat taken? Can I sit here? And they just looked at me like this is not the table for you.
Speaker 1:I didn't get it. I was like really, oh, maybe someone else is going to sit. And then, like my boss has come over and he's tugging me on the sleeve. He's like no, you come here, like back with us and I was like but I want to go and meet some American people. And he's like yeah, you want to go meet some American people, go sit with, sit with Texas, sit with LA, sit with New York or Chicago, forget everybody else. Sorry, sorry to all my American listeners because there are so many of you. I love you all, but you all know, one South is lit.
Speaker 2:I learned that I'm from the Northeast. We move different. I went to Atlanta and I was like what the hell is this? It's real honey. That South is no joke. Yeah, hundreds thousands of years is still the South.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but anyway, the point I was going to make earlier, before my brain skipped and I went off on a tangent, was that anyone is listening who has been kind of affected or is worried about this sort of stuff. Hey, guess what? You do not have to be bossed around by anybody. The great thing now with technology and everything else that we have, has never been. I mean, you tell me what you think, but I don't think there's ever been a better time for people to get started on their own with whatever it is they want to do.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is so true, it's. It's like a renaissance. It's like a renaissance period now, especially with all the podcasts that's going on. Podcasts been around for quite some time, but like now, it's just like I love them. I love them all. I don't, I don't know, I don't have the time for it right now. I cannot fit one more thing. Let me release the book first and then I'll think about it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's a great, great time, but the tools you have like okay, so let's get into, like, the AI real quick. Yes, so that is such an amazing tool. I do not think terminators are going to come get us, even though that's like my favorite series of movies, my favorite Matrix, all that. I'm all into it. However, ai is cool, but this is what I tell people because I took like a generator, generative AI course, which is more so on the business side like how you can use it to create tools and make your workflow easier and more efficient. It's good for that, but it's also good for writing, it's good for music creation, it's everywhere. Like you can use AI for everything, especially animation, just everything. But it is a tool and if you are going to use it, I feel like the work that you're doing.
Speaker 2:Just let that be your outline and then you put your soul into it, because some of the responses are very robotic. The human intelligence still needs to be there. So just use it as your starting point, get like some key jewels and then build off of that. But I would like don't recommend just like putting a prompt in AI and then just taking that and running with it. No, honey, read it, look at it and read it, because you will see, if you write it, it's giving you a very generic response sometimes, or it's very vague, or it's just very not you, it's not soul, it doesn't have a soul. So, like, if you're going to use it, just like, put your heart into it, put your soul into it. Just you know, like it's quite convenient, it can help you, but at the same time, you need to use your intelligence with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because and it's another way to differentiate yourself and set yourself apart from everybody else. Because the fact is is that our bodies are made up of I don't know what it is, is it 80% or 90% water? Somewhere around there we're a lot of water, but you know, just like our planet is mostly water, and water likes to take the path of least resistance. I'm banging out all the cliches now. You must be so proud of me. That's what a lot of people do. So they get hold of these AI tools like Gemini and GPT and all of this stuff, and they're like oh, I can get it to write a newsletter post or an article or whatever, and it bangs it out in two seconds and they posted up Guess what Most people are doing that.
Speaker 1:Now there's very few people doing exactly what you just said, which is use it as a framework, pour your soul into it. Yeah, you take the time to do that. It sets you apart and that's. You know, certainly, what I've been trying to do. I'm definitely guilty of doing the first one when I first got my hands on this stuff, because I was just like generating stuff from really. You know what I mean. And then I was reading it back and I was like no, no, and it was like who wrote that?
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly you know real quick.
Speaker 1:I'm going to. I'm going to business. It's all about expressing yourself and telling the world who you are through the way that you dress and the way that you communicate, and so on. And that is not it. Speaking of which, so you are dressed in black today, which I was not expecting, but you know, my camera probably thanks you because you're usually very bold, and I don't want to brush is not the right word, but it's Friday and my brain's failing. But you know you're if, if you walked into a room, people know, right, yep.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Well, if you cultivated that, look, have you always been that way, or is it something that you kind of developed?
Speaker 2:I think I developed it. If you asked my sister, she said I couldn't dress when I was a kid, and I totally disagree.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I rolled up my. I don't know if you guys did this, but did you like take your like stone wash jeans, the old school stone wash jeans? Did you fold the cuff and fold it, fold it over and then folded it up?
Speaker 1:I had a different problem. So because we were so damn poor and I've been like six feet tall since I was about 12. So I was a really fast growing child and so my mom and dad. They couldn't afford to keep by me new clothes all the time because I just kept growing out of them. And so my, my dad. So I'm we're, we're I'm going to say this really quietly. We're probably roughly the same kind of age, even though you look like you're 20 something. And so my mom used to fish out my dad's clothes that he wore when he was younger, like from the 70s.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:But I'm a kid of the you know 80s, early 90s, right, when it's all like this straight, not like straight, and then bell and and so the first day that I wore his flares to school like these old Wranglers or something, and the flares were huge I sorry to I got the shit kicked out of me. Like it was bad enough that I was one of only three children of color in an all white school in the 80s in, you know, in a not so great part of London, but then to add that on top of it as well, it was just like put a target on my back like my parents did not love me. So I used to get beaten up every single day. And that's kind of how I got into this, because I realized, well, the first thing I realized was I can't go to school wearing flares because I'm just going to get beaten up all the time.
Speaker 1:So I got to get rid of the flares. So I got a pair of scissors and then sneaked into where my mom's sewing machine was and I cut the damn things up and badly stitched them back together. And then I went into school and I still got beaten up because I look like this, but I didn't get beaten up because of the clothes, and that's where I started to make the connection between what you wear has an effect on how the world sees you and treats you. What was your question? It was about cuffing your stone wash.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I'm just trying not to cry.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry. So no, I didn't get to cuff my stone wash jeans because we're going to afford those things.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think they made it back yet, so it's good that you didn't have any. But yeah, I thought I could dress. I was with the time. What is it? La gear sneakers. Oh my God, my mom did the best she could because we were broke too. I had went to pay less. Pay less shoes, pay less.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we probably had our own equivalent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like $5 Bobo's. We call them Bobo's, so I had no. So I mean we did the best we could. I tried to get you know a little bit of tool and add it to my outfits to kind of keep up with Madonna. But yeah, it was rough and I kind of came into my own style, I would say when I started working in banking, because you know you got to be dressed up and all that wearing panties.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, it was so brutal. But then I started getting into heels, which is why I don't wear heels now, because I wore heels from when I was 18 up to like 35. And yeah, my feet are, I can't do it Like tops. Two and a half inches I'm done, and that's like brutal to me. There's like six inch heels now. How do you hose, do it anyway, I can't stiletto you out of your mind, oh God. Anyway, but I do wear heels sometimes.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I kind of get into it like more on the corporate side. But I always wanted like I don't like wearing like like just the normal khaki with the blue blazer and no, no, I'm like man, I need some swag, I'm sorry, like I need like some, some style with it. So then like getting into prints and stuff like that, which is why my business started, because I was like I need some badass like wrap dresses. I can't afford Diane von Fossenberg, but I can make a wrap dress with a badass print. So it's just kind of like progressed to there, but now I'm just like more. So I'm so tapped into like my own personal culture, afro Latina, and I love t-shirts and I love comfort, I love like I'm half Puerto Rican. So everything needs to be skin tight on me, like my jeans are painted, like I don't play.
Speaker 2:Everything needs to be stretched because the roles are popping so, but it's like I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable and I'm authentic, like this is just me. So like after leaving banking and then actually like working in tech. Luckily, I was blessed to be with a company that actually, like they encourage that just long as you just bring your ass to work, we don't care how you look, don't look like you want to the club, but just come. Come as you are. So I was like, oh, I can be like super comfortable, but I love matching, I love brights, I love prints and I can wear my big hooves and I can wear a wig one day and be ball headed the next. Like this is life. So I kind of like came into my own the last like 10, 15 years of my own style and putting that into everything, yeah cause.
Speaker 1:It's like if.
Speaker 2:I'm comfortable and I'm in my authenticity and I'm comfortable, then I do my best work, because I'm not worrying about you giving me a crazy look or you asking me some stupid question, even though you still get them, especially when you wear like a wig. I don't know if you wear wigs, but if you wear, no, okay, if you wear a wig and they were like oh yeah, let's give it a day, it's a week, like I had to say that I'm like yeah, it's a week. I probably will wear tomorrow, like 100 degrees outside, like relax, so it's just like, but it's like I don't care, like I'm going to be mean because that if I'm comfortable and I'm confident in what I'm wearing and I love what I wear and I know I'm cute and I know I look good, that I'm going to bring my best work out like yeah, don't judge me.
Speaker 2:So I'm hoping that the judging is less. And then when I take my daughter to daycare and she her daycare is like across from high school and middle school, and I see what the kids are wearing now and I'm just like and I'm judging them and I'm not supposed to be that way, but I'm looking like what these kids are now I feel like I'm looking at myself in the 90s, when I was in high school, because they're wearing baggy jeans. Yeah, they do a lot of brunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm. And then my brother was like that's the emo thing because he's eight year younger, so he's like that's that emo look. I was like that looks like how we used to wear the baggy and cross colors, and was it fooboo living colors? Like yeah, it was. So I was like it's not coming back, but the same like style and shape and like the fit looks similar to the 90s. I'm just like okay, so it's. You know, fashion is nuts. I love it.
Speaker 1:Someone's kid told me recently that they were into the whole emo look and I was like, oh, that's really cool. So you like Sesame Street? I did too when I was a kid. I know what you know. I didn't know what emo was, but you know but no you're right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I look at kids now and they're all dressing the way that we dressed when we were at sixth form college in the 90s. It's crazy, it's really cool. You know, we didn't think it was cool back then because we were in it, right. But you see, what you said right there was so inspirational in a way, and I think you know it's about dressing for yourself and having that confidence with it and also a sprinkling of that attitude like I don't care, because people are going to judge, because that's just the way that humans are, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:And the famous example recently is Doja Cat. Right, she went wiggler's bald and she got so much hate like people saying she looks ugly, and I mean like, if I look up the word ugly in the dictionary, I don't think I'm going to see a picture of Doja Cat anywhere near there at all. Right, and respect to her for the way that she's come out and basically told haters to f off. And you have to do that. You have to be able to put a hand up at people that are bringing negative energy or firing at negative energy off at you and just deflect it right back at them and say, look, I don't have time for this shit. Basically, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:She's brave, she's brave, I love her. I remember she went on. She was on some red carpet for some event and she was dressed like a cat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cool makeup and everything. And then if you hear her, she just made me out, I love her, but I'm like she don't care.
Speaker 2:So I'm like where would you want because I've seen her in a gorgeous gown and really beautiful and dressed up, and then you know she can be chill, she can be hip hop, she can be whatever. It's just like. No, it's like, I just want to make sure I'm like girl, if you okay. Are you okay? Because you did shape all your hair off. And I tell you before, like with women, when we cut our hair, something's going on. So it's just like all right, you all right, yeah.
Speaker 1:I can't message people using the power of cutting my hair or anything, unfortunately, so I'm an overshadow because of that.
Speaker 2:If you grew a beard out, then I would ask are you okay? Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:I can't get past two days with this thing because then my wife tells me to shave it off because she says I'm going to get shot by the cops for being a terrorist or something.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Because our cops you know, our cops here are yeah, yeah, and you trust me, you don't want to trust a British cop with a gun, especially when you look like this. Anyway, sorry, back to so last thing, because I've really I've got to let you go at some point.
Speaker 1:I don't want lifestyle branding your terminology, which I absolutely love and I've not heard anywhere else, because when people say lifestyle branding, it's all about fancy this and that and unattainable this and that, and you know, being uber wealthy, huge designer labels and you know all of that kind of stuff. No one, I've never, ever heard anyone use the word accessible with lifestyle Ever. But having got to know you over the last more now and now I can see why that would come from you. But you know what was it, what was the idea about that? And I know that's something that you you're very, very passionate about, and the I mean that's basically lipstick killers. That's the whole reason for that being what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's like I guess I've lived. I lived both worlds, like I grew up or like I'm okay, I'm able to make moves and travel if I want to, but I would not say that I have wealth. But I still love like beautiful things and luxury. And then when I spent three years in Dubai, that's like luxury bill, like good grief. Top cars are begatis and you see a Rolls-Royce fan. I'm like I never, ever, will ever, buy a Range Rover. I would never buy a Lexus because that's just. Those are the taxi cabs Like it's insane marble and seven star and gold and it was cool to be around that.
Speaker 2:But I don't like how people act. I can't stand that old privilege like you can't talk to me or you know like, or you just think somebody is beneath you. Like all that inferior superiority like that's just grinds my gears. So and I just feel like you should be able to like have something glamorous and fabulous and not like tear your pockets apart, even though it's, you know, it's awesome, like I probably will have like a hot couture or a super luxury brand later on down the road, because those things are beautiful and the craftsmanship that goes with it is just. But I feel like you still need to have stuff for a lot of the majority of the people in the world that are struggling, like straight up, you don't need to kill yourself to try to keep up with anybody, but you can still have that same like lifestyle and just be more affordable with it, more sustainable with it, but then also with the accessibility piece of it, like I love.
Speaker 2:I don't ghost anybody on the DM unless they're like sending like something crazy or I know it was a bot, but other than that, like anyone could just like hit me up on LinkedIn, hit me up on my DM on Instagram and ask me a question and I will answer it Like cause there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with sharing information and because a lot of people, when we were both coming up, like a lot of the information wasn't shared and school doesn't teach you everything. College, university, does not teach you. You need to be in the trenches, having tangible things happen to you in order for you to learn business, in order to learn any industry. So why not ask me or ask someone about it and then I can answer your question. So it's all like that whole lifestyle thing.
Speaker 2:What goals do you have? Like what, what you want to do? How can I help you? I can help you with that, you know. I can tell you what I went through. I can only tell you what from my experience, and maybe it will help you, maybe it will not, but it's all, that's all. That's all it is.
Speaker 2:It's like okay, sharing information being a resource, but also I'm receiving information and gaining knowledge and, like you might throw me a new idea. We can exchange ideas, we can barter and trade, like it's just that's just the beauty of having a community and just being like available to people. I feel like you don't need to like shut anything out, like life is too short and things are too crazy in this world to just like keep all this information inside of you until you die. Like no, no, sharon, like help someone, help each other out and do it in a fashionable way and make that affordable and a little being like not. Let me just rephrase that as far as affordability, I'm not saying fast, fast, fast fashion, because I just have at the sustainability piece advocacy of me is kicking in.
Speaker 1:I can't stand fast.
Speaker 2:Have I bought forever 21 earrings and 18M? Yes, have I seen something? I thought, oh sure, $10. I ain't going to lie, I do shop, I'm crazy. But the detrimental impact on the environment, oh my God, I'm sorry they gots to go and they gots to change their models straight up. Stop killing the earth.
Speaker 2:So, but you can still have something that's affordable and not like a $55,000 clutch, like that's a different breed of people and they can afford that. Okay, so anyone well, I know a few people in my circle are not going to afford it, but not like the majority of people know, we're all trying to come up and make it. So if something is like $100 or $200, yes, that's quality there. That's that's like getting. You know you're helping the earth, you're having a level of quality that's affordable to you. So you know, it's just that's like basically the whole thing, like with the, with the whole lifestyle, the brand and the accessibility piece and sustainability piece. It's like helping the world, helping each other out. You know, I don't really see anything wrong with that and I just wish more people kind of like took that in their businesses models in their business models. We'll just be in a better place, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. I mean, it's not just a product for you, it's, it's a way of being.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like and what I'm making a difference. I bought this jacket and it was like 350, but it was made out of like, organic materials and like, but the brand is you know, they don't do like crazy labor, just like that. They had a purpose with it or it was just a bad ass jacket and you needed it, but like, still like, that's okay, that's okay. And I have these huge earrings and they were $30, but I don't care because they're glamorous and they helped me feel good. Things like that, like, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. Making products that are like more affordable but still like have a level of style that's like unmatched and yeah, it's just like. I just feel like. That's, that's everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome. I couldn't think of a better way to end this and I really don't want to end it, but sorry to thank you so, so much. So the book is coming out in a couple months from now. I'm just going to be recording this mid-March, so around about kind of April, may time we should be able to all get our hands on it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. So make sure you go on doctorsurvidebondcom, sign up for the updates and the mailing list and help me choose a book cover. I already have one designed, but the publisher wants to design one. It better look like the one I designed. That's all I'm saying yeah. That's no problem.
Speaker 1:You can, you can. Oh, you want to design the cover? Okay, fine, you design it.
Speaker 2:as long as it looks like this, we good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what I'm going to sell, though.
Speaker 2:Just this Send me three options that look like this, so yeah, but the people can help me pick one and all that good stuff, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Awesome. And then if people want to learn more about how project planning can help them, they can visit your. It was probably one of many websites, but edgyopulantsbrandingworld yes, and they can also find you on Instagram as well, yes, Fashionable PMP Awesome. Now, I know now, I know who followed me earlier. Don't worry, I'll hit you back as soon as I get off this Awesome Thank you. So, rita, have you had fun today?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did. I loved our conversation. You're awesome.
Speaker 1:Let's keep in touch.
Speaker 2:Let's just send each other weird messages every now and then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely no, we should Do. You know it's really funny. I don't know if you find this with other friends, but Instagram, as much as we kind of you know we're like and Instagram can throw some at you With people I'm close with on there. It's kind of almost like WhatsApp, for I know you guys don't really use WhatsApp over there, but it is. It is kind of like oh really, I've heard somewhere that Americans don't like WhatsApp.
Speaker 2:We don't like anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is true. But yeah, no, definitely we'll get the DMs going. So, rita, thank you so so much. Thank you all for joining. So, rita and I follow me on Instagram at Tony and talk podcast for later. This episode updates, highlights and news of podcast is the podcast. The podcast is also on YouTube at Roberto reveal London, and you can email me at Tony and talk podcast at gmailcom. Please hit subscribe, give me a rating review, click the share button in your play to send this episode to someone you know who needs to hear what. Sorry to share with us today and to support the show. Hit the support the show link in the show notes. Have a great week, be kind to each other and I'll catch you on the next one. Thank you so so much.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, like I'm at work my work computer, I put it on mute, so and I got like 15 messages.
Speaker 1:All coming through.
Speaker 2:I didn't tell them on the pocket interview. See, this is how, this is how you should do it.
