How Much BJJ Should You Train To Get Better?

How much BJJ should you train every week? Your coach says Everyday. The Pro guys train twice a day! But how much is right for you? JT likes to take things to the extreme and Joey has a more moderate approach and through their experience helping thousands of BJJ folks get stronger, more flexible and get healthy- they have discovered the sweet spot. Now winning in terms of how much you train looks different depending on your Jiu-Jitsu goals: If you are a top competitor, an experienced  hobbyist or a frothy white belt. The boys discuss what each goal might require and some approaches you can take to ensure you don't crash and burn. More does not always equal better.
There can be some diminishing returns that come from chasing the BJJ dragon, taking something beautiful and turning it into a grind which can start to eat away at other parts of your life.
Trial and Error is huge part of learning and failing in BJJ so working out what your body and soul can tolerate is an important part of knowing yourself. But when you push the limits - You often find them!
Sometimes those results can be painful and occasionally embarrassing. How much do you train BJJ every week, let us know in the comments?

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:07

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Speaker 2: 0:17

So you pretty much flow with the goal.

Speaker 1: 0:22

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Speaker 1: 1:46

Everyone get on board. Thank you, my goodness. How much jujitsu should you train in a week? This comes up a lot. Now we have a general prescription, but there's many different folks listening to this. People just started and their coach is saying to them you need to train every single day, you need to train as much as possible, but that actually may not suit you. We've got to dig into the details a little bit to find out what is going to be the right thing for you whether that be not very much, a fair bit or a lot, and we're going to unpack that.

Speaker 2: 2:18

Yeah, pros and cons to like more training, more training you know, and less training. So we've got to, so we've got to talk about what those are.

Speaker 1: 2:24

More is not necessarily better. And don't get me wrong, people, my life is littered with tales of crash and burn, stories of excess. I like to do too much, I like to push the needle.

Speaker 2: 2:37

I have a hard time believing that, James.

Speaker 1: 2:40

It's crazy. I don't know why. I'm just like yeah, but what if we did double? What if I ate 10? What if I 10X that? What's better? What if I just grant Cardone the fuck out of this thing? And it's strange, because you want to find out, I mean I do. They say, if you push for your limits, you generally find them, and this can be good and bad. This can be good and bad.

Speaker 2: 3:03

And with jujitsu. What drives your?

Speaker 1: 3:08

like that thing you do. There is an amazing line like God mode, where, before you crash and burn, where you're like, oh my God, like it's like. It's like Fast and Furious. You're like one cylinder of NOS, why not two Que nos, das Flip, flip, good, whatever, that is right. I think it just comes from being a fat kid and I was like, well, why don't I eat two bags of Burger Rings? What if I drank a whole thing of Slurpee? It's like in the Simpsons, where Bart Simpson gets a pure syrup Slurpee like no ice and they go into the future. It's kind of like that. I don't know why. There's something in my mind, whether it just be derangement or whatever it is. I've always tried to push it.

Speaker 2: 3:55

Because you do it with things like not just you do it with anything, anything, pretty much Like even stuff that's not enjoyable.

Speaker 1: 4:01

No, yeah, I like to find out what my tolerance is for things I don not enjoyable. No, yeah, I like to find out what my tolerance is for things I don't know. It could be masochism, I don't know. But if we relate this back to jujitsu, I guess the times when I've come to understand what I could tolerate with jujitsu started with I had more time, so I did more, and also my coach was always saying hey, man, train more, train more. And then I found out I was actually training to keep my coach happy, not to make my life better or my jiu-jitsu better.

Speaker 1: 4:26

And so I think we all start jiu-jitsu to make ourselves happy, but then there's a point at which we want to keep the coach happy because also they grade us blah, blah, blah, and then maybe you're not being coerced, but there comes this expectation that your coach is like hey man, why didn't you come to the open mat on Saturday? You're like dude, I got life. Like why must I placate you?

Speaker 2: 4:48

You know what I mean. It's funny. You would never say, oh, I had something else on. You're always like, oh, my car broke down and my mom got cancer and it was you know. But I will be there this Saturday coach, like you. Really, it's amazing how, what's the word? It's really. It's amazing how, what's the word? Like indebted, you feel yeah to the master, yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:11

Yeah. So let's just start off at the minimum prescription, because I feel that we miss the value in this, because this is maybe not sexy, but three times a week consistently is really good for anyone who's just trying to get better at jiu-jitsu. They're not trying to be a world champion, they just want to get better. Why do we say this? Because it gives you enough time to process and learn, gives you enough time to recover and also gives you enough time to do other things, which is, you know, if you have other hobbies, interests, jobs, family, I believe that's you.

Speaker 2: 5:44

Yeah, it allows you to maintain a balance yes yeah, which, um, I, I think the yeah, the the big one with all of this. Right, there's even people like, well, I just want to fucking train every day, but the big thing is the consistency point, yep, which we don't have to harp on about that now. But you could do anything for a short period of time, but the person who can do it kind of perpetually, that's the big win. So if you're the person that trains three times a week, 52 weeks out of the year, man, you're crushing it.

Speaker 1: 6:13

Definitely On net you will get more sessions in and the thing is you don't know when you start. You just don't know. It's probably just.

Speaker 1: 6:22

I think my need for success comes from insecurity. Being completely honest, why did I want to be an Olympian? Because I want to be the best, Because I want to show everyone I'm the best, Because when I was a kid I was not the best, I sucked right. But the thing was I had conditioned myself to train six hours a day from doing taekwondo. So when I came to jiu jujitsu, I'm like how do I turn this into what I did before? Right, you know, how do I do more of the same, you know, and that's not necessarily the way, but that's what I did because I had the ability to do it.

Speaker 1: 6:53

I find this with a lot of endurance athletes, because for endurance it's always like how can I do more? How can I do more? And if you take someone who's been a triathlete, marathon runner, fuck, whatever they're like well, how can I just do more? Because this seems like the basic way to get better. But actually more is not necessarily better, because chance of injury it kind of goes up. Greater exposure to the thing, chance of injury goes up, and I think this is why we tend to try to. We don't want you to to get injured, so we generally encourage you to try and go with that minimum effective dose.

Speaker 2: 7:29

Yeah, I mean, we've also just seen countless, countless humans right who crash and burn, who start it train at an unsustainable level, can't maintain it, whether it's injury or they just burn out, because they get too into it and then they lose interest.

Speaker 1: 7:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:45

You know, or they put too much pressure on themselves and they lose interest, whereas, like you know, the parent who gets to the gym three times a week they're not like changing the world each session, but they're doing it every week. You're like fuck, they've actually gotten really good over 12 months and like that, like. So I think that that moderation thing just on the whole, when you look at the span of jiu-jitsu people, you're like, well, the people who are moderate but consistent win. Yeah, of course you got the upper echelon of athletes who are always outliers, who just train all the time.

Speaker 1: 8:18

Um, but yeah, like for the, for the everyday human consistency in the moderation and winning is different for everyone right, like you know, like if your goal is just to get better at jiu-jitsu and you don't aspire to be the best in the world, then just improving is the way. And also it maintains the specialness. You know, if you're not doing it every day. You're like, oh I love when I come to jiu-jitsu, whereas I feel definitely some of the specialness of the magic can wear off if you're just in there every day. You're like you almost make it a grind for yourself in it. Can, it can go that way potentially. But hey, let's, let's take that next step.

Speaker 1: 8:57

Let's say you've done the three times a week and you're like you know what? I just sold my business. You know I'm taking a year off, I do whatever the hell I want. Or maybe you're a business owner or, who knows, maybe you've got a gap year from uni. You're like I want to train every day. How do I do that? And generally, what I recommend is, if you are someone who wants to train five, maybe six days a week, we always recommend, you know, have a day off, to have a day which is harder and a day that's easier, and try and alternate that like, um, whether that mean you do a couple of open mats but don't make every single day competition class. Yeah, like I think this is, this is the mistake that you sometimes. You get super buzzed, right like you have a real full-on session and you're exhausted afterwards but you get that amazing feeling that comes with those sessions and you're like oh, I just want to one more of this.

Speaker 2: 9:52

Yeah, give me that every day. Shit, yeah, my fucking eyeballs. Yeah, I mean that's. You know we, we talk a lot, but that's the inherent problem, isn't it? That chasing that high masks all of your soreness, your pain, your fatigue. It all gets masked by that, and so you can have a great time there right now and in the hours after. But you realize, fuck, I'm actually like sleeping, like shit, and I'm a total mess at work and I'm not bringing much energy to anything else in life. And I'm showing up to jiu-jitsu and I'm shit at the warm-up and I can't pay attention, but then I'm fucking down to bang when it's time.

Speaker 1: 10:34

Killing crew and I think sometimes people get this experience if they do like a. They go to thailand and do that a muay thai camp they go. They go to bang tao, they go to tiger mma like on muay thai camp they go. They go to bangkow, they go to tiger mma like tiger muay thai and they just train for a month and they're like I'm in there every day. It is actually a beautiful experience. There is something to it which, as grown adults, when you're, you know, late 30s, 40s, whatever it might be you don't experience that like maybe when you're a kid, like you were, just you know, eating, sleeping, eating, sleeping, training, like life was simple. There's a beauty to the simplicity. I was talking to a friend at an open mat about this, saying all you have to think about is like eat, sleep, train. It's beautiful. Yeah, there's no worries.

Speaker 1: 11:18

It's just yeah, life's simple and this brings a great deal of relief because you're just doing the thing. So I think, yeah, that's great for a month. But if you try and map that out over six and 12 months, it's almost impossible to keep up, unless you've got some kind of sugar daddy or financial backing to allow you to just live your life in this way. And then also there's a critical point at which it stops being as nice that you do get accumulated lumps and bumps and then you do get slightly decreased life function, even though your jujitsu function goes up.

Speaker 2: 11:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:56

There's. There's an element of that.

Speaker 2: 11:58

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I guess there's. You know there's periods in your life isn't there where you there's. You know there's periods in your life isn't there where you know you can do that. You know, I don't know, yeah, maybe maybe you got some money from mom and dad, maybe you um, I don't know you saved up and and you just like you, don't have a job or something or you're doing something, yeah, and you're like oh, I'm just gonna fucking go super hard on this for six months.

Speaker 2: 12:19

Yeah, I think like it's amazing and you should do it, but to, yeah, to think that that is how you're going to be able to do it like moving forward forever come on, joe jujitsu lifestyle right, um, we can't all be just sitting down at the fucking ipanema beach eating acai post training baby, you know, every day um, speaking in broken portuguese, but so, yeah, so it's a short-term thing and I think, yeah, you should definitely live it.

Speaker 2: 12:48

But I know like for most of our listeners, it's like you can get caught in that mindset as a parent, or as a as a 30 year old who maybe you don't have a family, but or maybe you have kids, but you've got a job, yeah, and you've got some responsibilities, and you're like fuck, but I gotta get in there six days because so-and-so, like fuck, but I've got to get in there six days because so-and-so who I train with the other blue belt, he's in there six days away. Yeah, well, fucking, kevin is 23,.

Speaker 2: 13:12

Cunt, yes that's right, he's a trust fund kid. Yeah, and, like you know, you're 30 and you've got a full-time job and you're so, yeah, you might be able to make that happen, but probably not. And there is a price to pay. Like you do get banged up. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1: 13:30

And I think this is without and this is not being negative in any way because you know you've got to be careful what you wish for and the reason I say this is I got what I wished for and it's not necessarily what you want. You think you want it and then you get it and you're like, oh my God, I'm kind of fucked up. So my first extended stay to Brazil in 2012, I was there for six months as a blue belt and I went there just post-Worlds. So I got there kind of end of June, start of July, through to like end of January the following year and it was kind of cool because there was a little bit of a lull in the training. So you got to meet more people, train more. And it wasn't as comp focused, it went more to no-gi season in terms of how they were running it at that time. But I was like, how much jiu-jitsu can I do, like I'm just here, you know me and my credit card, like I'm just training, right?

Speaker 2: 14:28

So I was like I got the next three decades to pay this.

Speaker 1: 14:33

So I was like you know, I was just like let's just, let's find out what twice a day, every day, feels like. And for the first month it was kind of okay, even though I was like pretty sore. And then I kind of adapted a bit and I was like, oh yeah, cool, all right, like everything's a bit sore, but maybe that's what this is. And I was like what if I did three times a day? Fuck, legit Couldn't actually do it. I did a week where I did three. I did a morning class, a lunch class and a night class. Morning was like early morning, early morning, which lunch class? And night class. Morning was like early morning, early morning, which is more, much more chill, like not competitors, more professional people, and like had jobs and lives, um, and then the next day I woke up crippled sore, but I'm like no three a day. I tried to get through the three sessions and then could barely walk home and I had to take the rest of the week off because I was just fucked, like I'll just be completely honest Like I couldn't close my hands or open my hands. My wrist was so sore I couldn't bear weight and I couldn't fully straighten or bend my legs, like the level of intensity was so high. So I was like shit, all right, I can't. I can't do three a day, that's not what I can physically manage. Everybody's different Right. So I kind of shit, all right, I can't do three a day, that's not what I can physically manage. Everybody's different right. So I kind of came back to this thing of doing two a days pretty consistently and then having a Friday where I just did one session and a Saturday was like one session and weights. You know, like I was doing weight training kind of two, three times a week amongst that, and I was able to work out what I could tolerate.

Speaker 1: 16:09

And I think there's a lot of trial and error in BJJ. So even though I could say to you oh, do this as a prescription, there's nothing to say, you'll be able to hack that. You do have to see where you're at health-wise and fitness-wise to be able to put up with that shit, right. And so I think when you go to your, your coach, your master, your mentor it's not often they go well, see how you go, like, work it out for yourself. That doesn't feel very instructive, right. So they're just going to be like be here every day do this, do this, do this. But that advice, even though it might be coming from a good place, may not suit you. Did you have a time, joey, where OD'd on training whether it was jujitsu or any other kind of training where you got the froth, I mean?

Speaker 2: 16:54

yeah, I can remember having the froth. I do remember when I first started at the Hakao Club in Bondi.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:00

I would do two a days there often.

Speaker 1: 17:03

Right.

Speaker 2: 17:03

And it was yeah, I was, I was fresh white belt. It was I came in and it was no-gi season when I started. They were just doing no-gi. It was just like a fight club. There was very little instruction. It was like, hey, you roll with him now Whoever wins. That's kind of what's of importance here, so I loved it. I had just come back from traveling and was just finding this fucking fucking outlet.

Speaker 2: 17:28

Yeah, yourself to a thing yeah, um, and so I remember, yeah, I remember often training twice a day because I had fuck all else to do except go to the bar that night and try to meet women, um, and so you know, that was great. And I, I remember, and I remember a friend, I had a had an italian guy training there who was a beast, actually emilio I think his name was, and I remember he said to me one time I saw him, he saw me going to lunch class and then he, we ran into each other at the night class and he said, where do you get the energy? And I remember thinking about that and I was like fuck, I don't know. But you know, I tell you where I got the energy, bro, I got no job.

Speaker 2: 18:04

I'm 24 do what I want, yep, and just fucking like happy days. Yeah, like you know, I didn't sleep well, I was up drinking last night, but it didn't matter, I was 24, who cares? Yeah, it's good, um, so you know. So that was a really lovely period, but that that kind of.

Speaker 2: 18:20

Back then I I did sort of have a job. I'd work part-time in the film industry, sure, but I had periods where I just where there's no work on space, yeah, yeah, and I think that this is an maybe a caveat to this whole discussion is like, if you're the kind of person that has contract work and you have periods where you're completely off the mat and then you got a chunk of time where you can be on them, yeah, maybe you want to just be on them as much as you can for that period, because you know you're going to go away for work and there's no training. There'll be gaps, yeah, yeah, so you know. But yeah, that was super exciting. But I think I carried that with me, for that set the tone for my initial first few years at jiu-jitsu, right, and, as I've spoken about at length before, that did end up turning into me kind of burning out with it a bit.

Speaker 2: 19:03

Right and feeling beholden to the academy and keeping my coach happy. Yeah, beholden to the academy and keeping my coach happy, and so I think that it kind of it was the foundation of what became not a particularly healthy approach to training.

Speaker 1: 19:14

Yeah, I think it's probably like many things in life. Your relationship to things like how it starts isn't how it finishes per se, but, like you know, there's a saying. It sounds a bit trite, but it's like what got you here won't get you there. Like what got you from white to blue belt won't get you from blue to purple. Different tools, yeah, yeah, and so I want to throw back to a time which is peak caffeine consumption.

Speaker 2: 19:40

JT in Melbourne. How many shots a day?

Speaker 1: 19:43

are we talking? Well, at this time I had said to myself I need to cut back. I was doing probably five double espressos a day. Wow, PT. Yeah, going nuts on PT because I was kind of single. I'd been in a long-term relationship, I'd come out of that. I was early in the jiu-jitsu journey and I was getting up at probably 4, 4-ish to open the gym at about 5.30. I'd work all day and then go to jujitsu at night. Wow, and I was just pumping expressives all day. So it was actually a Saturday morning and there was a cafe which was on the side of a grocery.

Speaker 2: 20:23

Which Saturdays, in that PT grind Saturday, you are at your wit's end.

Speaker 1: 20:26

Oh, bro, because it's been a long-ass week and I'd actually been out the night before, uh, because my, the girl I was dating at the time, uh, would like to party, right, and I pretended to like to party so I could hang out with her, and so I'd had a bunch of drinks and I was. I was a bit hung over and I was like I need that coffee. If you are into the bean juice, if you're into the black energy sauce, you know how I feel. You're hungover. It's kind of like, oh, 7 am, the light is hurting your eyes. You're like, fuck, I just need that first coffee to ease my pain and regulate this junky feeling.

Speaker 1: 21:07

And so the cafe roastery is called Veneziano. It's moved. I think it's a much bigger professional facility now, like it was a professional facility then. Anyway, this is many years ago, it's like whatever 15 years ago almost, I go and the cafe's closed. What the fuck? They never closed. But then so there was this really good Barista, italian guy. Now here's a warning don't drink vodka with russians, don't drink espresso with italians, not because I don't love these people, just because you're in dangerous waters, folks. So I'm dehydrated, I'm hungover, I need a fucking coffee.

Speaker 1: 21:43

I walk around the corner and like luke is there having a cigarette, like his english was kind of barista, he's a barista, he's always there. He knew me and there was a congregation of people but they were like kind of in aprons and shirts and I was like what's going on here? And there was a like a group like 12. I had 12 people or something, a mix of people and they were there for a barista training course and I was like oh, and I was like oh, what's going on? Going on, luca? He's like oh, what's up? And I said what? And he was like, oh, barista training course. I'm like I could try to be a barista. And he was like oh, yeah, he gave me the eyebrows. He's like oh, yeah. And I was like what's going on, man? Like can I get in on this? And he's like yeah, and I was like bro, like can I like what's going on? And but there was a lady who was supervising it and then I was like fuck this, I'm tailing in on this shit. I am a barista.

Speaker 2: 22:38

I'm a barista now Because you wanted the free coffee.

Speaker 1: 22:41

So you're like, oh, I need a fucking coffee. I mean I was like, fuck it, I'll be a barista.

Speaker 2: 22:46

And so it wasn't a cafe across the road or some shit.

Speaker 1: 22:49

No, no, no, because I was also asked by my girlfriend to get her coffee from here, like she's a very specific lady, right, right. So I tail in on this group. Yeah, I was under the thumb 100%. Anyway, I tail in on this group and this lady kind of looked at me a bit suspect because I didn't have any like hospitality gear on.

Speaker 2: 23:09

Yeah, I just rocked up. Just a blue belt, just a dude in my gi.

Speaker 1: 23:13

I'm about to go to open mat. Fucking $5 espressos please. So anyway, I walk in and the lady looks at me and goes, oh, are you here for the barista course? And I said yeah. And she said who are you with? And I said, oh, I work at this cafe on Bridge Road, you know, around the corner. She's like really, she's like I don't see you on the list and Luca was like no, no, no, he's good. But here's the thing I didn't realize Luca was setting me up. You've realize luca was setting me up. You gotta be careful what you fucking wish for people. So I get in there and she's like looking at me a bit weird. She's like all right, please put your name down here, right, the cafe you're with. She was like sus on me, right? So anyway, I get in there and they're just teaching how to do the grind and pull it out and I'm just like I just need a coffee man, I just need a coffee anyway, lucas is like.

Speaker 2: 23:57

I know how to do the grind. Just Just let me do it. This is shaking, Anyway.

Speaker 1: 24:02

So they start pouring shots, right, and they're like, oh, who wants to try the shots? And I'm like me. So I'm like. But what I didn't realize is like we're going to pour a lot of shots. You know how a wine tasting. They'll like, taste it and spit it out. Yeah, I ain't spit nothing out, Dude. I must have had 20 shots of espresso inside of about 80 minutes. Whoa, it is the most coffee I've ever had.

Speaker 2: 24:31

It is fucking, but Luca was Were you loving it at the time.

Speaker 1: 24:34

It started well, because I was like hungover and I was like, yeah, I can do this all day Maybe. But Luca was like looking at me, like I'm going to get this guy, like he shouldn't be here. So he was kind of like playing along, but he was like he just kept feeding me shots. He was like, oh man, try this one, no single origin, try this, try this. And I was like, oh, he's vouching for me to be here and I was like Luca, can you make my girl's coffee? Because he knew it was like in Melbourne it's called a magic, it's a three-quarter double ristretto daddy it was the barista's coffee.

Speaker 1: 25:06

What's it called? It's called a magic. A magic, it's a three-quarter latte with a double ristretto.

Speaker 2: 25:12

So this is the bitterness.

Speaker 1: 25:14

Okay. Anyway, she wanted magic from this guy and I said, bro, can you just hook this up? Because the next stage was milk At, because the next stage was milk At. This stage I'm getting bubbling sensations in my stomach and I'm like I need to go to the toilet. Like I need to go to the toilet, it's so bad. And he keeps plying me with this press. I said I'm like, bro, I got to go. Can you get me the? I was like, bro, here's five bucks, like I got to get out of here, and I was like running to the toilet, explosive diarrhea. Oh my God.

Speaker 2: 25:49

Got to the toilet.

Speaker 1: 25:51

Yeah, got to the toilet. Explosion. I had to put the coffee outside. I posted on the sink, sat down Disaster town. Anyway, the lady comes knocking, are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine, I'll be out shortly. I'll be out shortly anyway. The energy hits me. I hit this wave of adrenaline like. I have never felt like a tidal wave of adrenaline hit me like, like a like pop fiction dude, forget the coffee.

Speaker 1: 26:26

Like forget my girlfriend's coffee, just power, walk out of there. Like today's gonna be a great day. Like said, didn't say goodbye to anyone. So thirsty, so thirsty, stop powerade, I'm gonna go to the gym. Forgot, completely forgot, about my girlfriend's coffee. No way, 100%. Like went into a different dimension.

Speaker 1: 26:47

I don't know if you've ever seen the episode of Futurama when Main character Fry Gets 100 coffees and it's it's ticking up like 98 coffees and he's shaking and then he hits the 100th coffee and he goes into like being time slows down and he like saves the day. Kind of like that, except more like me on methamphetamines. Like, I just forgot about my girlfriend's coffee, went to the gym, did the workout of my life, came home she wasn't there. I was like, oh, I guess she's gone on with the day. That's cool. Clean the whole house. Like had the most productive day of my life and crashed and had like and just bottomed out. So you two, two lessons in all of this one, don't drink coffee with your italian barista who's out to get you and and two, you can't have too much of a good thing yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 1: 27:39

If you push too hard, you're gonna find out and don't gate, crash the fucking event that's it.

Speaker 2: 27:45

I mean, that might be considered morally reprehensible, but I, I guess I got my look is like it's fine, bro, you crash, I'm gonna fucking make you pay he did, he totally got me.

Speaker 1: 27:54

So it's difficult people. I mean it can happen right and so why?

Speaker 1: 28:00

why do I say this to you? I'm being completely honest. I have done too much and have suffered as a result and we want to save you the suffering. Right, like it's not worth it. And even though in the moment something can feel a bit fun and like, oh, this is cool, like let's see how far we can push it, sometimes it can go bad and we really just don't want that for you. I've learned from my mistakes, whether it be jujitsu or coffee consumption. But yeah, if you're someone who already has a busy schedule, you want to just stay consistent to improve jujitsu. If you're someone who has a freer schedule, you can do a bit more, but definitely try something for like a month and just see if you feel good at the end of the month. Try it for another month, yeah, and just tweak it.

Speaker 2: 28:46

I think having the ability to reassess if it's working for you is important well the way you just brought us back to the fucking conversation after the the adrenaline ride. We all just went on like fuck bro. You transitioned quite well to that. Oh, thank you, joe, I'm still just like trying to like. I'm just imagining drinking that much coffee and being that fucking out of my head from it.

Speaker 1: 29:06

Oh, I can't even tell you Anxiety Any anxiety, do you recall? No Elation, like on drugs elation. Wow, like I can do anything Like.

Speaker 2: 29:16

I lost track of time.

Speaker 1: 29:18

Yeah, space and time went away. I just I totally forgot I was meant to be doing anything. When I got, I almost, I almost lost the relationship that day. Yeah right, she came home and I was like, came out of this coma, like, and she's like, what the fuck happened to you today? Where the fuck was my coffee? And I was like oh, the coffee, I'll go back, no.

Speaker 2: 29:35

I'll call Luca what we should talk, because I know we haven't done like the top level yet. But um, if you're training that much, the other thing you gotta take into account is doing all your other training right getting the gym lifting, stretching this is tough.

Speaker 1: 29:50

I think this is people often think if I'm doing that much jujitsu I don't have to do the other stuff. But truth be told, if you're, say, a professional athlete, say you're. Uh, you Say you're someone who is intent on being a world champion. Adcc champion Craig Jones Invitational champion oh my God, You're going to want to train twice a day, but that means you've got to do more maintenance. You do have to do more stretching, more lifting and more recovery stuff. You can't think more jiu-jitsu will solve all the problems.

Speaker 2: 30:22

Yeah, it's just more wear and tear and I think many people leave that out of the equation yeah, and I think the dilemma is for the for the majority, like for the busy humans out there is that you go oh, I'm gonna squeeze in a couple of extra jujitsu sessions a week into your already busy lifestyle and you might be able to do that, but it displaces your opportunity to go to the gym and do some work on your body, and so then you just end up I'm training jiu-jitsu all the time and I'm not doing anything for myself outside of here, whereas if you train a bit less jiu-jitsu did more for your body. That would be better for your jiu-jitsu. So there is like something to be learned from the restraint there.

Speaker 1: 31:02

Yeah, yeah, there is something to be learned from the restraint there, yeah. And look, we often don't do it as humans. It's just like a bit of a sunk cost bias. Well, I've trained this much, I need to keep going with it when actually, you know you can maybe take a day off you cannot go to that session and then maybe swap it for a gym session or swap it for you want to do an ice bath with your friend, or whatever it might be like. It's okay to just switch up your schedule and just see how you feel, yeah, and and feel potentially the benefit from that do?

Speaker 1: 31:30

we got to go high level, um, so no, no, I think if you're someone who's looking to train, I think high level is twice a day, like if you can do twice a day, five days a week, yeah, that's as that. That's as much as you need to do, yeah, and generally if you're speaking with someone, they're like oh well, I train three times a day I've known.

Speaker 2: 31:47

Does anyone?

Speaker 1: 31:48

train three times a day. I think there are some people out there who do it, but you they're, they're the, they're the like 0.1 of the elite and maybe, if they're older, maybe they're enhanced. You never know. But where do you?

Speaker 2: 32:01

like where do you actually fit the time in to do that to any meaningful extent?

Speaker 1: 32:05

no, no, but what I'm saying? Someone who trains three times a day is not, uh, not a normal person. They are. They are like a world-class athlete, want to be world champion.

Speaker 2: 32:14

Yeah, so that's, that's very few people you ever, but even a world class like, wouldn't they be like? Well, one of those sessions like I got to get to the gym and do some weightlifting or whatever. Almost.

Speaker 1: 32:23

There's so many people who do not address that.

Speaker 1: 32:25

Yeah, right Like there's so many people who are not taking care of their SNC in any meaningful way, unfortunately, but that's okay. My advice to anyone, because I've learned this from people smarter than me, better than me speaking with someone like a Craig Jones, a Lachlan Giles, even a Levi, you know, there were times when those guys did more and then they went oh, I didn't get better, I'll do a bit less. And they usually will do two a day to do a lighter session and a harder session, and that's it. They're not doing the three days. Yeah, so I think you know you do have to find out where your limit is.

Speaker 1: 33:01

And if you know, if I take that advice from someone who I consider to be one of the best in the world and they say hey, man, like, even, even a guy like Leandro, he peeled his training back to just one really hard session a day. Right, I used to be two days every single day with a meows at Cicero Costa, but then he then took it back a notch, Like once he'd realized, okay, what works for me. That was one hard session a day and he was one of the greatest champions of all time, RIP. It is important that you're not just taking someone's advice. This is just a bit of a framework we're giving people and you go and give it a spin and then you're able to tweak it to find out what is sustainable. There it is folks, Push your limits and you will find them.

Speaker 2: 33:42

Yeah, sustainability wins Definitely Boss, boss.

Speaker 1: 33:48

Thank you.