Claudia Albrecht - From building a brand to finding freedom

Claudia Albrecht is the founder of Island feather and over the last 5 years  has developed Island Feather into an established sportswear, events and lifestyle brand for women who love the outdoors. Inspired by her love for outdoor sports, natural beauty and helping others through her work for charities and Non Government Organisations Claudia has grown the brand out of passion. She has an infectious love the outdoors and sports such as Surfing, Wakeboarding and Stand Up Paddleboarding which she loves to share with her Island Feather community not only through the sportswear she sells but also in person hosting yoga and paddle boarding lessons at festivals, and in her home town of Southsea. Island Feather is the sponsor of this series so it was wonderful to speak to Claudia about her journey with the brand and how it has evolved over the years just as her life has done too.

Find Claudia on Instagram - @clauds_albrecht / @islandfeather

Island Feather website - https://www.islandfeather.com

This series is sponsored by Island Feather, an amazing brand that creates high quality, multi-purpose, stylish sports and fitness wear and accessible events -  Island Feather's mission is to support you to live a healthy life, discover what makes you happy and create a community of support and care for one another . For me, having just become a mother their motto 'Find your freedom’ resonates  more than ever and I am stoked to have them as a sponsor!

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If you have any questions or would like to suggest a guest please get in touch! You can email India via indiapearsonclarke@gmail.com or send a message via Instagram  @india_outdoors / @finandflow / www.indiapearson.co.uk

~Music - Caleb Howard Almond / @oakandalmondcarpentry ~

You can find this episode on iTunes, Spotify and many other podcast platform

If you have any questions or would like to suggest a guest please get in touch! You can email India via indiapearsonclarke@gmail.com or send a message via Instagram @india_outdoors / @finandflow / www.indiapearson.co.uk

~Music - Caleb Howard Almond / @oakandalmondcarpentry

Transcript

India Pearson  0:01  
Hello, I'm India and welcome to the third series of star triple the podcast that celebrates moving in nature. This series is sponsored by Island feather, an amazing brand that creates high quality multipurpose fitness where and events. Island feathers mission is to support you to live a healthy life. Discover what makes you happy and create a community of support and care for one another. For me, having just become a mum their motto find your freedom resonates more than ever, and I'm stoked to have them as a sponsor. Okay, it's time to introduce my guest Claudia Albrecht is the founder of island feather, and over the last five years has developed Ireland further into an established sportswear events and lifestyle brand. For women who love the outdoors. Inspired by her love for outdoor sports and natural beauty and helping others through her work for charities and non government organisations. Claudia has grown the brand out of passion. She has an infectious love for the outdoors and sports such as surfing wakeboarding, and stand up paddleboarding, which he loves to share with her Island feather community, not only through the sportswear she sells but also in person posting yoga and paddleboarding lessons at festivals. And in her hometown of South Sea. Island feather is a sponsor of this series. So it was wonderful to speak to Claudia about her journey with the brand and how it has evolved over the years, just as her life has done to. Hi, Claudia, welcome to The Star Report podcast.

Claudia Albrecht  1:45  
Hi, thanks for having me. Very excited about this is a pleasure. It's

India Pearson  1:49  
a pleasure. So obviously we've I guess I think we've known each other for a couple of years. Over the COVID times I think I reached out to Denine discovered Ireland feather and how awesome the brand was and and yeah since then kind of collected for a love of yoga, paddleboarding, watch sports, everything babies

Claudia Albrecht  2:10  
with the amazing mouth canal, didn't you? So yeah,

India Pearson  2:15  
yeah, that was like two years ago now. But really, really excited to have you here to tell your story. So let's start from the beginning. If you could tell me a little bit about your background, and how you came to where you are today.

Claudia Albrecht  2:32  
Amazing. So yeah, so I am Claudia. I live on the south coast and South Sea. And my kind of work background is working in charities and working with young people in the criminal justice system. I spent that 12 years working for action for children, supporting young people really to find their happiness and create new lives for themselves and maybe take a turn over a new leaf and started start afresh. And I've always loved the outdoors. A lot of my work at that time was taking kids outdoors and just being at nature and just doing fun activities. Yeah, and I guess study wise, I went to university down in Portsmouth, I studied psychology and criminology and then went later on to study law. My passion has always been about supporting others and understanding others and human behaviour, and just creating a community so that we're here, you know, we're here to support one another. So that's my passion, I guess. Ireland for feather is a little was a little side hustle that I started, I suppose five years ago. And it started well, I suppose I was working practice with children and never intended to set up to start a business. But at the same time, I'm always of the mindset that I'm open to whatever the universe kind of brings for me. And I was on holiday in France. And there was this lovely to market still selling feathers. I don't know if you've ever seen them but feathers that you kind of attached to your hair. And

India Pearson  4:09  
I love her hair braid. Oh, yeah.

Claudia Albrecht  4:14  
Still was just amazing. These girls were putting feathers in people's hand. It was just so boho and cute and nice and something I'd never seen before. And at that time when I was on holiday as well. I was reading the secret. Have you had the secret book?

India Pearson  4:29  
Yes, I have AD. I've listened to it actually. But all about the law of attraction.

Claudia Albrecht  4:34  
Yeah. And like, I guess that's kind of how I live my life. It's like kind of what you put out you kind of get back really. Anyway, so one thing led to another these feathers were just beautiful. And I was just Yeah, I was like put a feather in my hair. But at the same time, I thought hang on. Let's bring this back to my hometown. We've got lots of kind of outdoor festivals and fun kind of market. So I wanted to try and kind of bring and sort of the feathers to South Sea so that's how to Island feathers started so I was just a little market stall putting feathers in people's hair. And I had great support from the kind of local community here whether it's schools or the university or just local businesses to promote what I called Island feather and the name Island feather was because of the feathers and South Sea is an island so guess that's the start of island feather really? Looks like now

India Pearson  5:32  
Yeah, well, journey has been on so yeah, kind of what happened next with item feather then after going from a still selling hair braids to a watersports brand. Yeah, so

Claudia Albrecht  5:44  
what I put out with Island feathers, everything I love, the intention of a violent feather was a place that I could have everything I love in one place. So whether it be connecting with other other people who love the outdoors, connecting with analytical businesses, doing fun activities and sports and kind of the product side of it as well. I love sports products. I love jewellery, I love equipment for watersports. So it was like how do I evolve this, and it kind of evolved with how I evolved in life. And so from the hair feathers, I had a really successful first summer just doing festivals and Market stores. I thought I toyed with the idea of creating jewellery pieces, I was always inspired by other brands such as long wonder last life jewellery. And I kind of wanted to create neat, unique little pieces of jewellery that was very like minimalistic, because I don't really wear much jewellery. And if I do, it's like got to be really small, rather than I suppose out there, and especially doing lots of sports as well. So I created a kind of collection of silver and gold jewellery, and I didn't make it myself, I kind of designed it. And I source kind of manufacturers, and it was a really good opportunity to learn manufacturing process of importing, running a business behind the scenes creating a website in the marketing. So it's like a little test, I guess, just as a side hobby. But that was really fun and good. And he just taught me so much. And from there, it gave me the confidence to develop the brand into kind of where I envisaged it going into more of a like a surf style outdoor brand. And that's when I suppose committed to creating the collection of sports clothing. But the brand itself has very much stayed portraying the same values the same kind of the brand ideas changed, you know that over time, the logo and colour schemes, nothing has changed, but it's very much portraying outdoors, healthy and happy out in the water. And I guess all my passions in one place, you know what, what the brand is today has evolved from the customers and what the customers want. So it's about you know, putting that back to the customers, what do you want? What do you want to see? What do you like, what do you not like and involving them in every step of the journey. So whether it's new events that we're creating, or the even the products that involves huge kind of customer feedback into colour schemes into style into branding, how they want their logo place, like real. Yeah, I really engaged with customers because ultimately, it was their product. So yeah, community is really key for me. So whether it's the customers or where the brand is today, as well is all the individuals and businesses that have supported me to get here, it's you know, everyone who's been involved has kind of got to this got Ireland forever to this stage. It's not me, but ultimately our kind of mission as well as to promote others that you can, you can find your happiness you can do those things you want. There are going to be hurdles along the way. But, you know, this is an opportunity we've got here, isn't it? And how do we work together to support each other to get to where we want or what we want to do in life so that's what we're trying to promote with the brand. And I think I think it really does that. I think we whether we're Yeah, you know doing stuff event, paddleboarding event or we're doing some workshops at a festival like it really feels like we're all together and we're doing this and

India Pearson  9:52  
so your your motto, find your freedom is amazing. I love it. And how did you come up with that?

Claudia Albrecht  10:00  
I guess. So I'm really in tune with my kind of beliefs and values and freedom was something that was always one of my values. And freedom to me is my happiness. And so what that looks like to me is being around people and, you know, being around community to support one another. Being outdoors, you know, focusing on my happiness and my health. Yeah, so my freedom is that and I know everyone's freedom is different, or everyone's happiness is different. and Ireland, for the, for me was a place to find my freedom. It's like, what is it that I love? How can I create a brand and a business that is everything I love in one place? And so yeah, that's what find my freedom, find your freedom is and you know, that's our mission is to kind of continue to support others to find theirs too. And that, yeah, as I say, that can look so different depending on who you are, and what you love what you do. But it kind of gives us a platform to support everyone in every walk of life rather than Yeah, it's not, it's not limiting us.

India Pearson  11:12  
And, you know, I guess it's funny how you've come around full circle, because you were saying you started at festivals with the hair, feathers. And then it sort of developed into clothing brand and stuff. And now you're going back round and you create these events and sessions, it paddleboarding yoga, meditation, at festivals, bringing like minded people, and I'm sure people who have never done this sort of stuff before, and you're giving them a chance to experience it. Do you? Do you get a lot of sort of newbies trying yoga or paddleboarding for the first time at the festival events that you run?

Claudia Albrecht  11:49  
Yeah, definitely. So all our events and our sessions and yeah, everything we do is aimed up the kind of the newbie, really, it's about getting people to have the confidence to try something new, have a lot of fun with it, and come away feeling just good about themselves. Whether it's a fun activity they enjoyed or they were sharing that with a friend or something a hobby that they then want to take up long term. So yeah, absolutely all office all the festivals that we do, and we offer stand up paddleboard lessons, it's predominantly beginners. So it's a whole lot of fun because introducing people into the sport is, yeah, I love it.

India Pearson  12:32  
Yeah. And it's something that you've kind of gone on further to do as well. Right. Because you've been coaching paddleboarding for the last couple of years now that right?

Claudia Albrecht  12:42  
Yeah, definitely. So it's funny how things evolve, isn't it?

India Pearson  12:46  
Is the butterfly effect? That's what's cool, isn't it? Yeah.

Claudia Albrecht  12:50  
I guess I trust the universe and I let things evolve. And I have, obviously I have a plan. I have a strategy, but I don't tie myself down to that and I see what the wild offers really. But yeah, I guess my love for watersports and fueled. Yeah, I'm further but prior to that when I was 1920 21 I spent time in America doing camp America's Teaching watersports, and so best time ever really. And so I had that experience that I wanted to pick up 10 years later, I guess. So I had the opportunity to teach wakeboarding down in Southie. And yeah, I just progressed that and got myself instructor qualification. I suppose my entry into stand up paddleboarding was because I got injured wakeboarding. And I couldn't wakeboard. And I needed to get out in the water. So what was the next best thing? And at that time started paddle boarding wasn't really. I think there was one brand that sold the boards. And so that's what got me on the water again, and the rehab I guess, but that's what then fueled my kind of passion to take it further to become an instructor.

India Pearson  14:08  
But that's what is so it's what I love about paddleboarding is how accessible it is to so many different people. You know, I love surfing I've tried wakeboarding a few times I enjoy it. I'm rubbish at it. But it's hard work. You know, it's hard and like you say you you had injury it's not as easy to just, you know, you have to be very sort of strong and physically able to be to do a sport like like wakeboarding, but paddleboarding, you can simply just sit on the paddleboard and just be on the water. You know, a big part of my sub yoga classes is I've run like the meditation section at the end and it's just sitting on the water. So that's what I think is amazing about it and it's a great entry level for people into water sports. But amazing that you found it as a way to carry on your love for for the water whilst being injured. How did you how did you cope with that injury? So what happened?

Claudia Albrecht  15:16  
Oh, it was just a silly mistake. I was out in Turkey on a wakeboard holiday. And on the second day, I thought I'd hit an obstacle very hard and fast thinking I was, I suppose more robust than I thought I was. And I, yeah, I saw I broke my collarbone and to a lot of ligaments in my shoulder. And yeah, put myself out for the rest of the holiday and the next couple of years. So, to be honest, and I never I suppose I never look back and think, Oh, that was awful. Because it kind of led me into different kinds of parts of my life really. But I'm one probably lucky that doesn't like to be sat still. So having my arm restrained and not even being able to like brush my teeth because of the armour it was it was just very restrictive. But as soon as I could do a bit more kind of mobility and get the add some physio stand up paddleboarding was kind of a way that I felt that I could do the right exercises and strength training to get my shoulder back to the strength it needed to be. And actually, I probably more now paddleboard than wakeboarding might be with age anyway. But as you get older, you realise how? Maybe you're not as strong as they used to be?

India Pearson  16:44  
It feels then how did it feel kind of stepping on that paddle board for the first time realising that you could still access the water via a board sport? Whilst recovering? You know, you could still be out on the open water. How did that feel?

Claudia Albrecht  17:01  
Yeah, it was amazing. And actually, my first paddle boarding was in South Sea of on the water and I bought the board before I'd even done it. Well, that's great. Yeah, so I yeah, I just knew I was like, that's gonna get me on the water, I'm gonna get on the water. And that was good. I think that was 2012 said a long time ago, or 10 years. And so it's amazing that I can then so we offer paddleboard lessons in an island south sea down here. And it's amazing that I can share that love in my hometown to for others. And honestly, the, the, I suppose the buzz and the kind of, I suppose, experience that the customers get, I can see. It's the same, it's I get it. I know what I know what that feeling is. And it's amazing. in Portsmouth actually, we've had so many people come on the water who have lived in South Sea for so long that haven't been in the water. And so a lot of our sessions is about teaching them about the water and the tides and the conditions and the safety around it. And yes, paddle boarding, so accessible, but there are huge risks around it. So it's a really nice way to teach our community about the water as well.

India Pearson  18:23  
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think this is this has been a little bit of a scary thing. So being bold in the industry and seeing so many people accessing paddleboarding, which is amazing. But equally, because there's all these bodge brands out there now that are selling cheap cheapo boards, people are scrubbing them and getting out there. And there's been a few horror stories in the last couple of years. And it does make you realise you have to be so careful and mindful, even on a calm day. You don't know what's going on in the water. No. And so to go out with an instructor like you just for your first lesson, just to kind of understand what's happening is super important. And it's you know, it's great that you're offering that as well to the communities too so that people aren't just going out blind basically. Is there anywhere in the world that you kind of dream of paddleboarding?

Claudia Albrecht  19:16  
So my one dream is to go to Bora Bora. So a really random it's just, I guess one of those places that you've always dreamed to go. So obviously, there's so many, I guess, places on my list, but I guess that's my ultimate dream.

India Pearson  19:35  
What is that it's just there's the white sand and the turquoise water. Yeah,

Claudia Albrecht  19:39  
and you know, the Yeah, kind of the glass effect of the water that you can see right through to the bottom. So yeah, it's just, I guess, one of my dreams to go

India Pearson  19:52  
Yeah, no doubt you will make it happen because you've got a habit of making your dreams come alive. And so I'd love to talk about your or a little bit about you as a mum. Because obviously a year year just over a year ago, you had your lovely son, Bodie. And, you know, he comes with you on all your island feather adventures, which is so amazing to see. But how did you did you paddleboard whilst you're pregnant?

Claudia Albrecht  20:22  
Yes, sir. I continued to pedal board up until I was about six months pregnant. And I continue to do lessons. And yeah, I kind of I had a, I was lucky, really, I guess those first six months, six to 9996 to eight months, I felt still quite agile. And so I continued to sell and deliver lessons. And my last session was sub surfing in I think it's the end of October before he was born in the February. So and yeah, I still tried to stay active and getting out on the water. Knowing that as soon as he came along, I would be a little bit more restricted, and my body would have to heal and recover.

India Pearson  21:10  
Yeah, I mean, I think the hardest part is probably just getting in getting yourself into a wetsuit Oh, much. Rather than avoiding itself. That's what stopped me. I certainly grew up in a wet suit. And I was like, Oh, what about other ones?

Claudia Albrecht  21:23  
Yeah, I had to. Yeah, I had to go with the men's probably at about four months.

India Pearson  21:32  
Yeah. But, you know, once again, like, great, great that you are out there. You know, doing it. And, and now that you've got Bodie, you do you keep you keep that adventurous spirit going? And he's, how's it been? The last year you took him to the festivals? And I know you're planning to do it again this year? How was that kind of experiencing? It will with him?

Claudia Albrecht  21:54  
Yeah. Well, it's amazing because I, you know, planning to have a child was never to restrict me in any way or change my lifestyle. And I want to bring him up showing him the world that, you know, well, as I see it, really. And so he you know, he's a dream. I can't ask for better kid. He, he loves the outdoors. It's like it's his highlight the minute he was here. It was like, nature was his home. So he loves being outdoors. He's just so happy. And he just loves meeting other people. So I guess my biggest sort of Yeah, I guess the biggest challenge becoming a mom is how do you keep keep doing everything you love and balancing out kind of things for your child as well. But I guess the way that I set up by them father was that it would evolve with me and he would work if I had children that they would continue to be part of my it's a lifestyle isn't it? It's a It's not I don't see nm further as my job as a job sense goes it's uh, you know, it's my lifestyle that I've created really. So yeah, very it was a big hurdle to overcome of how to get there with a baby and how you would be and camping and all of that, but he just adapted and loved it and it was the best experience for him especially whilst on maternity leave. Well, not maternity leave, because carry on working but yeah, so he'll be coming again

India Pearson  23:34  
this year. Yeah, it's it's brilliant. And it's super inspiring to see because I know that persistence. And when I found out I was pregnant, it was that whole thing of what automatic my brain went into, oh gosh, what Won't I be able to do anymore? And I think it's I quickly switched it over because I decided I didn't want to I wanted to keep being me and I wanted to keep being true to me whilst also kind of being true to my daughter and being a mum but it's about continuing doing what you love, but adjusting it a little bit maybe so you know, you can't go on a hike for as long maybe or you you know if you if you want to go out for to go paddleboarding, you have to make sure you've got somebody there who can look after the baby on the beach whilst you're taking only 15 minutes out on the water maybe and then you're back. And it's about adapting but it is it is possible and you show that so, so well and it's it's super inspiring to see and he is only going to grow up to be you know, a better person for that. And I actually love I love like watching your little adventures and and yeah, he's an absolute dream. So to be so proud. How did you find the recovery period after having him because this is something I guess it's a bit of a personal question from from from where I am. I'm only three once since having Mulu and being a physical person loving the outdoors and loving, just moving running paddleboarding, yoga, whatever I can do, and then suddenly realising that the recovery is not as quick and it's not as easy, how did you find the recovery period? And kind of how did you get your body back to doing what you loved pre pregnancy?

Claudia Albrecht  25:25  
So I guess no one prepares you do they so even if they people tell you stuff, you don't really know, you can't don't absorb it. The so the biggest hurdle was just overcoming the your mindset of your expectations and almost living in the moment of this is the now this is how I feel this is what's possible and what's not. And being okay with that. I'm not gonna lie recovery is hard, isn't it? I think the first two to three months was the reality that my body just ached all the time. And it felt like you've been hit by a bus and that pain was still there. But at the same time, knowing that just in the moment, and it won't last forever. And I think you've got to be quite, you probably find it just really kind of mind strong, to not let it get to you and not think of the what you can't do and the change but just embracing it and thinking Hang on. And I guess for me, I just stopped for a minute because I don't normally stop as much and just enjoyed those special moments of relaxing and chilling and slowing down the pace really and watching Bodi develop those, you know, so much changes within a few days with babies. And so just just watching every little moment and focusing on that kind of got me through it. But at the same time I was fortunate the time of year that baby was born was February. And so it's kind of nice time isn't it? It's downtime February, March, April that everyone's still kind of a bit of a recluse from the winter. And so, you know, after about three months, we were ready to get out and explore and you just everyday you just a bit more, don't you and it's not all of a sudden one day, oh, I can do everything. It's just everyday you notice and it's noticing that you can do a little bit more. And yeah, first, you know first getting back on a paddleboard was amazing. And also knowing that they're they're not with you on the paddleboard and experiencing that but they're there and actually one day they will be with you. And so that's the exciting feeling as well. Isn't it that?

India Pearson  27:44  
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm obsessed with seeing like, you watch these little kids in Hawaii who are 18 months old and they're on their parent's surfboard. And you know, I love watching these little videos that kind of pop up on my Instagram and thinking oh, one day that'll be blue and Barney actually bought her a one of the kind of retro Bodyboards for Christmas. I mean, she wasn't even three weeks old. Oh, she will do. So yeah, three weeks old, she had a little bodyboard. This as Bodie been in the sea. Yeah.

Claudia Albrecht  28:21  
And he has not. Oh, no, he has dumped Yes, because last summer we went to we were had loads of adventures and in there, but we actually had the opportunity to go to France. And so he Yeah, when under without having to have a wetsuit when you warm up there. And he, he absolutely loves the water and he loves swimming. And I know, I've introduced him into water from a very young age, like, two months, he was me just almost three months, actually. He was having swimming lessons. He was a water bear. And it might be all of that or it might just be in his blood, really. And so yeah, with He's so funny, whether it's a glass of water on the side, and he wants to like dunk himself in it, or try and turn on the tap in the kitchen to just splash water and or whether it's heads in the dog world. Or he just loves water wherever it is. Yeah.

India Pearson  29:20  
Oh, that's so lovely. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree than that. And so, without a feather, what does the future look like? Obviously, it's evolving with you, which is super exciting, but kind of where do you see yourself taking it in the next couple of years? Where do you see the brand going?

Claudia Albrecht  29:38  
So for this year, we've got loads of exciting festivals where we're offering pedal wood services, but are also offering wellbeing services. So from massage therapies to personal development workshops to kind of yoga, mindfulness meditation, so we've evolved those service offerings this year for festal We're so so excited about that, because we've got such a diverse and strong team now that are, you know, trained in all these different areas with years and years of experience. So we've been able to offer that to festivals. And yeah, I suppose expand our offering to customers, and then continue in and around South Sea, we've got to stand up paddleboard lessons, and we've got experiences, such as tours, and so continue to expand that and again, evolve that with kind of the community. I guess, where I wanted to be with Ireland forever was to broaden our service, offering Borden our products, and continue to support others to be healthy and happy. So I feel like we're doing that. And I feel like the next two years could just expand to reach more people, I guess. So I'm really keen at the end of this year to kind of put more focus on the products, we've put that on hold, just because you can't have everything really and with COVID. And important things like that, that we just put that on the back burner. So the idea is that we can kind of develop more products for future years, and then develop our experiences. And my hope is to take things further afield and have more adventures and expeditions and excursions really

India Pearson  31:30  
nice, super, super exciting. And like, no doubt that will definitely, definitely happen. And my final question to you, which is the question I asked everybody and I nearly forgot, is looking back at the ripples you've made in your life? What are the biggest lessons you've learned keeping your mind and body healthy?

Claudia Albrecht  31:49  
So biggest lesson of where I'm at in my life is time is more important than anything. So time with loved ones over money, work possessions. Yeah, that. And I guess, as you evolve through life, you your values, your kind of beliefs, they kind of change, but I'm kind of quite clear with who I am. got nothing to hide, nothing to prove. And so remembering who I am and my values and aligning that with that with all my decision making, whether it's work, or home life or sexual, just Yeah, aligning with your values. And are you still representing everything that you believe in? Yeah, and so yeah, health, health is most important, isn't it? You know, give yourself time give yourself the time of life really, isn't it? You know, keep yourself healthy, because you want to be here for as long as long as we can, really.

India Pearson  32:54  
So they I couldn't agree more. And I think that's often we think that you know, value is in everything that's monetary, but it's not at all and there's so much more that in life that holds value, and in keeping that in the forefront is super important. And so if anyone wanted to kind of follow the brand or find you and I'm Federer has the best place to do that.

Claudia Albrecht  33:19  
So head over to our website, which is Ireland. feather.com. We're on Instagram, as just Ireland feather. And yeah, I think those are the two main places.

India Pearson  33:31  
Well, thanks so much for chatting to me today. And really, really excited to see where I live further goes in the next few years.

Claudia Albrecht  33:39  
Thank you all. Thank you for having me.

India Pearson  33:41  
Thank you so much for listening to this episode for start a report podcast. If you liked what you heard, then please do write a review. It helps other like minded souls find this podcast too. If you want to get in touch and the best way to speak to me is probably via Instagram. And my handle is at with underscore India. All right, take care and speak to you soon.