How I Became a Mental Performance Coach (and how to know if you should too) w/ Lindsey Wilson, Founder of Positive Performance Training

In this special episode of the Raising Elite Competitors podcast, I'm interviewed by Lindsey Wilson, the founder of Positive Performance Training and the Mindset Coach Academy. We talk about my journey to becoming a mental performance coach and share valuable insights for anyone interested in this field.

What's Covered

• My journey to becoming a mental performance coach
• Initial inspiration and challenges faced
• The certification process and its benefits
• Overcoming doubts and fears
• Balancing life as a coach, entrepreneur, and mom
• Transitioning from teaching to full-time coaching
• Addressing common concerns about entering the field
• Lindsey’s insights on the evolving field and specializations

Curious to learn more? Listen to the full podcast episode to get all the details and insights on becoming a mental performance coach. Join me and Lindsey Wilson as we explore the process and answer common questions.

Register for the Webinar

If you're at all interested in becoming a mental performance coach, join Lindsey and I at our upcoming webinar June 18th at 3pm ET (2PM CT / 12PM PT)! Register for "5 Questions You Must Ask Before Becoming A Mental Performance Coach" here.

For Guest Interview Email: lindseyh.wilson@gmail.com

Episode Highlights: 

[00:00] Balancing entrepreneurship, motherhood, and mental performance coaching

[06:17] Becoming a mental performance coach for high school teams.

[09:43] Mental performance coaching for athletes, certification process, and business model development.

[15:44] Overcoming fears and doubts to pursue a new career path as a mental performance coach.

[20:06] Mental performance coaching for athletes, emphasizing the importance of personal branding and niche expertise.

[23:16] Certification options for mental performance coaches in various niches, including sports-specific, corporate, and emerging fields.

[27:46] Mental performance coaching certification and webinar.

Next Steps:

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome back to the Raising Elite Competitors podcast. I'm Coach Bree, a mental performance coach for girl athletes, and I'm excited for this episode. It's a little bit different. I have Lindsay Wilson, who's the founder of Positive Performance Training and the Mindset Coach Academy, on, and she actually interviewed me on my own podcast, and so this episode specifically is for you, if you are at all curious about becoming a mental performance coach for athletes. That's what I am.

Speaker 1: 0:27

I have been a mental performance coach for about six years and I get a lot of questions from moms in our community, coaches in our community, asking how I did this, how I went about it, what certification did I go back to school? Do you have to have a PhD to be a mental performance coach? The people who are just interested either in bringing this to their own teams mental training or starting a side business or adding onto a business that they already have, and so, as a result of that, I decided to bring Lindsay on, who is the founder of the company who I got my certification through, to talk about my journey of becoming a mental performance coach and the role that she played in it, her certification program that I went through and all the details with that. Like I said, a little bit of a different episode, but really useful if you are at all interested in this, if you're like I'm just curious and just want to know what this field is like, or if I can do this for my daughter's team or the team that I coach, or maybe start a business. Who knows right? This will just give you a good starting place to understand my own journey through it. And then Lindsay also provides a lot of insight on the process to becoming a mental performance coach.

Speaker 1: 1:34

If you do wanna know more, lindsay and I are doing a webinar together where we're gonna go a little bit deeper on June 18th. So if you're listening to this at the time of recording June 18th, so if you're listening to this at the time of recording June 18th, we're going to go live together and she is talking all about the five questions you must ask before becoming a mental performance coach. And I'm going to be on that as well, answering questions, giving a behind the scenes look and just going a little bit deeper. So the link for that is in the show notes, but this episode is a really great starting place to just get an understanding of all of this. So I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as I enjoyed having Lindsay on the podcast. All right, welcome Lindsay to the Raising Elite Competitors podcast. Hi, nice to be back. It's been a while. It has been a while I was just thinking that, but I'm excited to have you back and, lindsay, will you, for those that don't know you, introduce who you are and what you do?

Speaker 2: 2:24

Sure, my name is Lindsay Wilson and I'm the founder of Positive Performance and the Mindset Coach Academy. I'm also known as a sports hypnotist. I'm a mom probably more importantly for this group. I'm a mom of four daughters nine and under, almost nine, nine and under. I'm a former professional basketball player and, yeah, I'm a mental performance coach.

Speaker 1: 2:44

Amazing. Lindsay was actually my coach. She is the founder of the company that you just heard about, where I received my certification to become a mental performance coach and really kickstarted my business, and so this is going to be a little bit different. I'm going to actually hand it over to Lindsay and she is going to do a little interviewing of me, so we did a little bait and switch there.

Speaker 2: 3:05

Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to like virtually hold, grab the microphone from you. Yes, yeah, I mean, you know so many people, probably in your community and certainly like our certified coaches. Look at you, brianne, and like, oh my gosh, how did she do it? And really you are such an example of what is possible in this industry and I think it's really important for all of us, especially moms, especially women, to see other women being successful, making money, balancing life, and I know you take care of yourself.

Speaker 2: 3:33

You're always like in awe of your arms, like you know, like you're doing it all really, and I think it's really important for us to hear those stories and also, just as people are listening, remember and be inspired that it's possible for you to like not in exactly the same way, but I think it's really easy to be like, oh well, she's younger or she's got a trust fund or she's. You know, I don't think that you do, but you know, like we make these excuses yeah, you don't have that, but we make these excuses for whatever, or she's older or she's whatever Like we make up these stories about how we can't do it, and those doubts are really normal too, but I'm always interested in like I've heard it before, but like hearing more about your story. So tell us right now what does your life look like? Balancing it all, the entrepreneurship and being a mama and a coach.

Speaker 1: 4:15

Yeah, I know there's lots, but I love that you opened with that, because I know when I first got started I had all of those same doubts I could like, well, they have a business background or somehow they know, but no, so I'm like living proof example of that it is possible. So right now, what my life looks like. So I'm a full-time online business owner and I'm a mental performance coach, so that is what I get to teach virtually. So I have a program that athletes come through and their parents also get support as they go through. And just my day to day. Like we're talking logistics. So I work five days a week, typically for about five to six hours a day, give or take.

Speaker 1: 4:58

When you become an entrepreneur, the joke is like trade the nine to five for the 24 seven. So it's always, it's always on, you know, I mean that's why I love being an entrepreneur, though it's like I'm always coming up with ideas and you know, yeah, but that's like my typical work blocks. But it's also so flexible, like my daughter graduates kindergarten this week and I I'm there, you know, in the middle of the day, no questions asked. I have every Thursday off with my son, who's three, and we go swimming, go get bagels, go do the thing Like it's what I envisioned as a mom, being able to be like present for my kids, whereas before I was a teacher.

Speaker 1: 5:32

And so while teaching is great in some ways for family, it's not great in a lot of ways. Very inflexible. It was almost like mental gymnastics to figure out how to pick my kids up from school as a teacher Like, yeah, so I just have way more flexibility in whatever I want to like in the summer. You know, I get to adjust my schedule to be around family and be around the kids. I am also a high school volleyball coach so I'm able to actually be fully present as a coach during my season because I'm there and also, as a mental performance coach, really infuse what I know into that team. So, yeah, and then I get to work with athletes, get to work moms on a daily basis yeah, it's great. And reoccurring revenue. I get paid more now than I did as a teacher for technically working less and doing more of what I love.

Speaker 2: 6:20

Yeah, I see those state championship trophies behind you.

Speaker 2: 6:25

It works, guys. Okay, you mentioned like the leaving teaching, and I don't think that was that long ago, but talk to us a little bit about so like that's where you are right now, with a ton of flexibility, and I think so many people look at your business as, and what it is is like so big, so successful and you did it so fast. Let's go back to the beginning. It's so funny Like I remember a lot of my conversations with coaches that have gone through our training. But I definitely I actually remember where I was when I was talking to you about trying to afford the certification and like figuring out what you were coaching, and I think you had one kid at that point and just talk to me like at that point you know you're thinking about joining the certification.

Speaker 2: 7:07

And for those of you don't know what the certification is, don't worry, we're just talking about we'll talk about it later and we'll talk about other opportunities to talk about it. But we're talking about you essentially going through the mindset coach Academy, deciding that you wanted to be a mental performance coach. Take me back. That was five years ago. Yeah, five ish. Yep, tell me what was sort of why you wanted to do it at all. Yeah, great question.

Speaker 1: 7:27

I remember where I was too. I'll talk about that. I first was interested in it because as a high school volleyball coach, I was like I wanted an edge for my team and also super competitive, and I'm like we've got all this talent but they're falling apart out there. When, like the pressure's on, we lost two years in a row, two seasons in a row, we were in the game like winner to state loser out, and we were up like so in volleyball you play best three out of five. You're up two sets, there's reverse sweep like not in our favor, and then we lost both games out, like how does this happen? We're right there.

Speaker 1: 8:04

And like it's our mental game, like we train for this. They're good enough, I think they're better than that team and so I'm trying to solve for this. And I'm like it's the mental side, and you know I had experience with this also as a college athlete. I got to experience a little sports psychology in my undergrad and then we had some resources on our team to work on the mental side of the game as well. So I'm like this is where it's at. And then of course, the algorithms are listening and somehow you popped up and I'm like okay, well, it's actually possible, like you could actually become a mental performance coach.

Speaker 1: 8:32

And at the time I looked at the price tag of it and I'm like no, no, you know I'm a teacher. And I was like, is it possible? And I remember texting Christina so Christina is my business partner and I'm like wouldn't it be so cool, like if not only I could do this with the team, but like what if I was like the mental performance coach in our area. You know I was thinking so small at the time.

Speaker 1: 8:55

I thought, it was big. When I look back I'm like, oh my gosh, we're like now nationwide, actually international now, but at the time I was like in Clark County.

Speaker 1: 9:02

I could be like the go-to mental performance coach and I could do team trainings and these girls would have these skills and yeah. So I ended up like, okay, I think you want to do this. And I was at a team camp at Western Washington university where I played and I was like we're at, my team had a break, and I remember calling you and having our call and yeah, I'm like I'm going to make it work. I opened up like a no interest credit card and like we're very financially responsible, we don't take out debt and all this. And I'm like I'm going to do this because there was a bonus for if you spent this much in this amount of time and I'm like actually could work out, I could actually get a discount and you know.

Speaker 1: 9:34

So we were like, yeah, with my husband, we were like it's what I'm passionate about. Maybe in the future there might be like some sort of paid opportunity here. You know, we'll see what happens. But that's where I started. I was like I just really wanted to figure this out for my team and I've always been interested in the mental side of the game and hey, maybe I could land a couple gigs where I'm coaching some teams.

Speaker 2: 10:07

Yeah, I love that. It's funny you say that, though, because I know again, a lot of people see your story and they're like, oh my God, can I do what brand does? And it's yes. And also, what? If you just set the bar for making your money back, Could you get a handful of clients, I don't know, work with a couple teams to make your enrollment pay for itself, and then you have the skillset that, if you choose to, then you could go do other things. But I think it's good to have some like lower goals, to sometimes to just be like if I only worked with a couple teams could I make my money back. But it sounds like you were somewhere in the middle thinking about Clark County, but it is funny to think that you're so much bigger now.

Speaker 1: 10:39

Yeah, that was like my moonshot, but yeah yeah, so tell me about the process then.

Speaker 2: 10:45

Okay, so you get certified and then like how's the ball get going there?

Speaker 1: 10:49

Yeah, so that certified loved the certification because the first month was all working on yourself and I am I wouldn't call myself a personal development junkie, but I'm working in personal development and I love like just working on myself and like my own mindset around what's possible. That first month was just really awesome. And then learning the actual tangible tools, like I felt like I had a toolkit as a coach now and it was during summer when I was doing it, so I was also working with my team, so I was literally able to learn a tool, use it with my team, learn a tool, use it with my team. And so that was the thing is, I just didn't know how to teach it. I'm like I know some things, I know visualization, I know, but I need a roadmap. I need it just put together in a way where I can just tell me what's the lesson plan, what do I teach. And so the certification allowed me to do that. And then kind of stepping out because you know, then you force us to proclaim that we are a mental performance coach and kind of step out of our shell. And then you also allowed us to see what would be possible. Hey, if you do want to make a business out of this. What are some different business models that you could try, like one-on-one coaching, team training, and I kind of clung on to this like small group idea.

Speaker 1: 12:00

And so after certification I was like I got my former athletes. I started working with one-on-one, so some of my athletes who had graduated and were playing in college. I contacted them and they're like oh yeah, let's do this. And so I got to really like practice with them as well. So I'm like one-on-one coaching. And then I was affiliated with a club, a volleyball club, in this area and I asked if I could offer at the parent meeting. Could I just pitch what this is? And I'm going to do a 12 week group coaching on mental performance and it's just going to be virtual, via zoom. For those 12 weeks. We're going to meet for one hour and they're like yeah, sure. So I got up on stage at this parent meeting.

Speaker 2: 12:41

And.

Speaker 1: 12:41

I remember going through my script with you and like how do I collect email addresses and how do I do this? And so I just shared my story and I got 10 athletes in that first group. I made my money back right there for the certification and so we met for those 12 weeks virtually, and the girls I got some awesome. It was actually right around COVID. We were about halfway through and then COVID hit and actually turned out to be this really awesome thing for them to continue training their mental game when things were shutting down and anyways all of that. But that's really where it started and I was like, wow, this is possible. Yeah, we can do this.

Speaker 2: 13:14

Yeah Well, I mean, I'm kind of just interested in like back to like you being a teacher and again, like we talked about the beginning, I'm just wondering how many moms or whoever's listening to this is like seeing this need, like put us back. I mean, you talk about a little bit with your team, but like I think there's so many people listening that are like, okay, I'm seeing this need and then I'm a teacher or I'm a stay at home mom or I'm this, and you were able to like learn not only mental performance, the tools, but also the business side. Talk to me about the pain or the thing that you were seeing, that you were like, oh, oh, my God, I have to do something. And then the doubts. And then also like how you started learning all this stuff, besides the certification, of course, but yeah, the process.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Yeah, I think what I was seeing I mean with my own team it was like just this inability to play to their potential. You know, like I just knew there was much more in them. And then the the outcomes were happening and I'm like, dang it, okay, we missed state again Like this shouldn't be happening. And then, as a coach, I take responsibility for that because I'm like, yeah, we're training them physically, but like mentally also, hey, no one else is doing it, like they're not getting these skills from anywhere else. And now I'm really proud of the fact that we have a program that can give skills to those athletes, so that coaches can have a resource for that.

Speaker 1: 14:34

But at the time I'm like, who else is going to do it? That's where I really felt like there was a need. And then I'm like, obviously, if my team is experiencing this, tens of thousands of other girls or athletes are experiencing this too across the nation, and so I want to be able to help and this could really unlock potential for so many girls, not just in their sport. And I really was niching towards girl athletes just because we're faced with so much as girl athletes and like this pressure to be good, but not too good and make sure that you don't outshine other people so they're not mad at you and there's just so many other pressures, or you can't be aggressive, but then you need to be aggressive, but then, if you are, you're going to make people not like you. Anyways, there's just so much around that. I just kept seeing all of that, that need, and that's really what made me want to jump in. Yeah, are you on the? How did I learn? The business side of it Is that where you were?

Speaker 2: 15:27

I was just thinking about like you were a teacher, like you said, with not a lot of business experience, if not any. I know you didn't have like the goals yet that you have now. But at that point, when you were starting, like going to that first talk in front of parents and having to get the small group and signing up all of that, what did that feel like for you, what kind of doubts and fears were coming up and like really how did you get over them?

Speaker 1: 15:50

Yeah, yeah, the fear. I mean I had imposter syndrome big time. I'm like well known and established as a coach in this community but like what are people going to think if I now start saying I'm a mental performance coach and like I'm starting a business? And what are they going to say? And then, do I really know what I'm doing? Because then there's like even the logistics, like I said, even collecting emails to follow up with people, even that stuff. Like I'm a teacher, I don't know how to do that stuff.

Speaker 1: 16:17

And so there was a lot of support within your community to help with that. And then to get over it, I was just like I just need to do it. Either I need to do the thing or get off the pot. Like I can't just keep dabbling in this, and I know that people want this. And, honestly, the response was great. People were like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad you're doing this, I'm so glad that there's like resources, and the response was totally opposite than what I thought it was going to be. So it was just a matter of like the whole five seconds of courage thing, like I just kept doing that. Okay, this five seconds is I'm going to text the club director and I'm going to ask her about the opportunity. Okay, this five seconds of courage is I'm going to get up on the stage and I'm going to share my story, you know. So it was just kind of that stepping out and realizing that there is a need here.

Speaker 2: 17:00

Yeah, it's so funny, as you said that too, like I was totally linking I know you talked about this in your program a lot too, but I was totally linking, like you thinking like what are people going to think? To the previous thing, which is like, what are my teammates going to think? Are they going to still? Like me? It's like you are like the living example of what you're teaching all these young women, and I think so many people come into our programs. The example that you know I have four daughters you have, do you have two daughters? One daughter, one daughter, one son, yeah, and it's not like you don't have that feeling for your sons too, I'm sure, but you really want to show young women like that five seconds of courage that you're wanting them to do on the playing field, like that. You're doing it in the boardroom, so to speak. Right, and it's just, it's cool to hear you say that loud, cause you would like just said that about young athletes and it's been. You're doing it. It's really cool, yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:43

Yeah, it was awesome and, honestly, like teaching, I didn't really think at that point, even when I was like getting people into the small group setting, I didn't have thoughts of them going to leave teaching. It was like, oh, this is a cool thing, I'm doing the side, like providing my family with some extra income and all of this, and then eventually maybe we'll get there in this conversation. But eventually they were competing with each other teaching and mindset coaching, like it was like I had to choose at one point yeah, and how long ago yeah, that was probably two years ago that it really became too much to do to be fully in teaching and also fully in as running an online business. So I think I actually only officially left last March March of 2023 is when I had to. Like I kept extending, I had a baby and then I was like, ok, I'm going to take this maternity leave, I'm going to take two years of other leave that they let us have, and so I kind of maxed it out before. They were like okay, now you really have to let us know Are you coming back or are you not? And I'm like I'm not. And that was another like big. I was excited but I was nervous because teaching also provides insurance and benefits and all of the things. It was a big leap.

Speaker 1: 18:58

But another thing I wanted to show my kids was that, while I did find enjoyment in teaching, my passion and my joy really came from the work I was doing as a mental performance coach. That's what lit me up, that's what I kept coming back to. That was just had that feeling of like excitement and the teaching was a safety thing. Obviously, we were in a place where it was also a smart decision. We don't want to just like quit without making sure that things are in place. So we were there. We were at the place where we could do it. My salary was not at first replaced with mental performance coaching. I think it took like a pay cut of about 50% at first, but then, because I went full in then we were able to grow even faster.

Speaker 2: 19:37

Yeah, I imagine that there's a lot of moms listening Again. They're seeing that need and they're like tapping their finger Huh, could I do it? And then I know some of them are like it's too late for me. Right Like it is, the market is saturated. Like brands already done all the things Lindsay's already done, all the things. There's nothing left.

Speaker 1: 19:57

Things Lindsay's already done all the things, there's nothing left. Tell me what your thoughts are on that. Yeah, well, okay, it's never too late? Absolutely not. I mean because now we have moms who, because of kind of what they're seeing and they're seeing a need, they're getting certified, like you can speak directly to that. One of our moms, bonnie, shout out to. Bonnie was recently joining certification and I'm so excited for her because she gets to now impact her kids. She has kids that are in high school or going into high school and, yeah, it's just never too late. But the other thing is, it's your personality that you bring to it and we were told that really early on in building a business is that, yeah, there's lots of mental performance coaches. Maybe I don't really actually think that there are that many.

Speaker 1: 20:39

I think that there's still a huge need for more, but it's also like who you are. You're going to attract the people that are attracted to just you as a person and your story and how you serve. So, yeah, there's definitely, there's a need, and also, just by being you, you're going to be different.

Speaker 2: 20:55

Totally yeah, and I think I have the perspective of having done this for 20 years. But I remember like when I first started and being very naive, I felt like I was onto this. You know what they call in business? They call it the blue ocean. Right, you found this place where no one else is doing the work. Do you know how hard it is to find a place and be successful when no one else is doing it? Oh my gosh, yeah, the idea like one a rising tide lifts all boats right.

Speaker 2: 21:22

The more of us that are doing it, the more people we're all selling it for each other, like the conversations that we're having. The importance of mental performance training is in, like the common language and vernacular that everybody's using is so important. Because if you start your business having to explain to people what mental performance training is, it's going to take a lot to actually sell them on doing it. Yes, and we're at such a cool point now because, like you said, there's not that many out there, but there's enough of us that it's becoming so much more common for people to be like okay, I need to get the strength coach, I need to get the hitting coach, I need to get the club baseball, and we also need something on the mental side. So where is that person?

Speaker 1: 22:03

Yeah, oh, such a great point, it's the whole, even the program, like if she can do it, it's proof I can too, you know, like it's a vetted thing now, and you're right, it's way more common because usually or in the past, mental performance coaching had been reserved for, like, college athletes, professional athletes, but now it's like no, these skills are accessible to middle schoolers, the high schoolers.

Speaker 2: 22:24

So, yeah, yeah it's. It's a totally different landscape and, like you said, it's not like in our certification or really any place. We're all teaching a lot of the same skills, which I think is important, because there are certain skills that athletes should have, but we're not a bunch of robots out there like just regurgitating information. We're bringing our personality and our niche and there's so many niches that, like, I don't work with, you don't work with, but there are so many places and there's so much need for, like, specific people that can help specific athletes with specific issues.

Speaker 1: 22:54

Yeah, which you know on that, like I mean, you can speak more to this, probably about all the coaches that you have seen and what their different specializations are, because I went into girl athletes and then really leaned into like mom daughter type work a little bit. What else do you see as far as like where other people have taken the certification?

Speaker 2: 23:15

You know what I mean. A lot of people are doing sports specific, but it doesn't have to be right. Let's see, we definitely have people go corporate. We've had people go and work for other people. That's emerging field that wasn't really available before, like the options were have your own business or go get your PhD and work at the Olympic Training Center. If you could swing it, those were like the two options, like in the 90s or early 2000 or maybe even the 2010s. Now it's like people like you and me are hiring people to help them coach, so that's and it can be hybrid. There's people that can have their own business and work for somebody else. So I see that more and more, which is amazing and that's really cool to see a lot of sports specific. I've had people come through and focus on injuries. I think there's a huge market for that. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen like as many as I think that there's a need for, because we think about the problem of the mental component to injuries. It's acute, it's time sensitive. It's such a huge need in that moment that I think there's a huge market for that. But, yeah, it's been really fun Like we've had people come through with sports that are just more niche, like rodeo and bowling and just things that you don't hear about as much.

Speaker 2: 24:24

But I think those are the cool places because oftentimes when people are coming in there, they have an existing network. All sports have their specific language that they speak about the sport or what's happening in the sport, and so if they know that verbiage, it's really helpful and they have that rapport and familiarity. So we're seeing a lot of that. I have somebody coming through that does a lot of CrossFit. We're seeing more and more therapists. I imagine a fair amount of people listening are in the mental health field nurses, doctors, pts, therapists that are coming through and they want to either have a side to their business that does that's only mental performance coaching or they want it to allow them to work more with athletes in their other practice. So we're seeing that as well, which is really cool.

Speaker 2: 25:09

And then I would also say the other combo is the skill, and I mean you're kind of doing that because you're coaching, but like people that have skill based businesses right, let's say, you're doing soccer training on the side or whatever but then you also add in mental performance training, which, to be honest, a lot of people already are doing it quote unquote or just may not doing it officially, they're not charging for it, they're not marketing through it, and I think that's where I would say a lot of you know the message I think for some people maybe that are listening is like the cool thing about getting certified or really any kind of like official training. You know, I think a lot of people think they need to go get their PhD. Right, you don't, you can, obviously, but you don't have to go back to school to do this. But also, I think they get. If they're trying it and I'm sure you're seeing this with the moms they're doing it in a real like throwing spaghetti approach. I know you talk about the car ride after games.

Speaker 2: 26:05

If they know about mental performance, training or any personal growth stuff, they may be trying things with their daughter, with her friends, with a team that they coach, and it's really hard, not to mention the whole relationship with a mom and daughter, which I know is your expertise but it's really hard to know what's working Right, like you saw that probably with your volleyball team.

Speaker 2: 26:25

Like, right, you try things, I don't know what's working. I'm going to go to Google and try to figure out something else. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. No way of knowing I don't know what I'm going to work on next. It's a really frustrating place when you are like trying to help somebody to not have a system because it's a waste of time or at least it's inefficient. I should say it doesn't have to be a waste of time, but it's inefficient and it's frustrating because you don't know what's working and what's not, and so that's the other thing that I would say about whether it's our certification or something else is like having a system is really important, like it makes your job so much easier to just follow something that's already been done.

Speaker 1: 27:05

Yeah, absolutely. It's like you don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Speaker 2: 27:09

Yeah, so do you want to talk about the certification or the webinar? Where do you want to go from here?

Speaker 1: 27:13

Yeah, let's talk about webinar. Okay, I know we have people who are interested in this and yeah, yeah. So if you're listening and you're like your wheels are turning and you're like maybe I could help my daughter's team, or you know, maybe you are a coach and you're like I want to help my own team, or you have a business or you want to do something on the side, then we're going to be diving into this a little bit deeper on June 18th.

Speaker 2: 27:36

Can you talk a little bit about that? Absolutely so. Brianne and I are on live on June 18th. She'll obviously put the link for registration on that for that in the show notes, I'm sure, and probably all over social. You're great at that and it's called the five questions you must answer before becoming a mental performance coach and you can really think of it as a who, what, when, where, how. Things like what am I going to teach? You know, we talked about like having a proven system. We'll talk about that. We don't need you to reinvent the wheel Like who am I going to work with? Where am I going to find my first clients? All of that stuff that can be really we can answer them. We can at least help you answer them if you come to that live webinar, and those are often the things that really get in the way and you want to make sure that you know those things before you invest in doing anything right at this level, and so we'll help you answer those.

Speaker 1: 28:27

Yeah, yeah, that'll be great, and this is totally just low key. If you just have any interest, like any just little inkling of could this be something that I do or that I can add to what I'm already doing, then jump on with us. We'll be able to go a lot deeper and then we'll be answering questions as well.

Speaker 2: 28:45

So things that you're wondering.

Speaker 2: 28:46

Yeah, and I'll give you the link for learning more about the certification as well. We'll talk about it on that live webinar and just a few like big picture things. Application we do an application process for the certification and that opens right after the webinar. But if you want to learn more about it, I'll give you the link for like our certification page and we start. It's a four month weekly live call certification that starts mid July. Just big picture. It's all live, not all live. You have some access to courses too, but it's very coaching live coaching focused. And small group there's only 20 people allowed.

Speaker 1: 29:25

Yeah, which I loved. Yeah, I loved doing everything live, and then we have like breakouts too.

Speaker 2: 29:31

Yeah, breakout groups and people like Brianne come back and run our small group so you get access to a lot of people that have walked the path before you that are running successful mental performance coaching businesses. I don't know if we had that when you were in, did we have captains? If we had small groups? Yeah, so that's a much bigger part of our training now, which is what people really really like, because it just you know you're with six or seven people and so you're like really bonded and you really get to talk about those fears and those doubts, because they're going to come up in the beginning when you're considering it, and they're for sure going to come up before you get your first client or your first practice client, and so having that space to really work through that the small group component is awesome for sure.

Speaker 1: 30:10

So, yeah, the webinar is june 18th at noon, pacific time perfect all right, we will put everything, all the information, in the show notes. But thank you, lindsay, for coming on.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Thanks for having me. This was fun. I'll pass the microphone back to you.

Speaker 1: 30:24

I know we had to switch the host of this podcast too. Yes, absolutely. Thanks for having me. All right, bye, lindsay, bye guys.