Join Cheryl Lee - That Radio Chick on STILL ROCKIN' IT for news, reviews, music and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musicians.
How do rock legends like the Hoodoo Gurus keep their passion for music burning bright into their 40th year? Tune into this episode of the Still Rockin' It podcast as we sit down with Dave Faulkner, the charismatic lead singer and founding member of the band.
We dive into their milestone anniversary, their latest release "Back to the Stone Age," and their extensive Australian tour. Not only will you hear about their thrilling plans to perform "Stone Age Romeos" in its entirety, but you'll also get the inside scoop on international dates in Brazil and the US.
Journey with us through time as we revisit the Hoodoo Gurus' early years, starting with their memorable TV debut on Simon Townsend's Wonderworld and their early stage experiences. Discover how these formative moments helped shape their musical trajectory.
We also delve into their intriguing collaboration with the Masters Apprentices, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the industry challenges and successes they've encountered.
Whether you're a seasoned fan or a newcomer, this episode is packed with invaluable stories, advice for new musicians, and the timeless wisdom of navigating the music industry.
What has Dave Faulkner been up to lately? Let's find out!!
Get out when you can, support local music and I'll see you down the front!!
Visit: ThatRadioChick.com.au
Join Cheryl Lee - That Radio Chick on STILL ROCKIN' IT for news, reviews, music and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musicians.
How do rock legends like the Hoodoo Gurus keep their passion for music burning bright into their 40th year? Tune into this episode of the Still Rockin' It podcast as we sit down with Dave Faulkner, the charismatic lead singer and founding member of the band.
We dive into their milestone anniversary, their latest release "Back to the Stone Age," and their extensive Australian tour. Not only will you hear about their thrilling plans to perform "Stone Age Romeos" in its entirety, but you'll also get the inside scoop on international dates in Brazil and the US.
Journey with us through time as we revisit the Hoodoo Gurus' early years, starting with their memorable TV debut on Simon Townsend's Wonderworld and their early stage experiences. Discover how these formative moments helped shape their musical trajectory.
We also delve into their intriguing collaboration with the Masters Apprentices, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the industry challenges and successes they've encountered.
Whether you're a seasoned fan or a newcomer, this episode is packed with invaluable stories, advice for new musicians, and the timeless wisdom of navigating the music industry.
What has Dave Faulkner been up to lately? Let's find out!!
Get out when you can, support local music and I'll see you down the front!!
Visit: ThatRadioChick.com.au
Welcome to the Still Rockin' I it podcast where we'll have music news, reviews and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musicians and artists. We haven't spoken to Dave Faulkner, lead singer, guitarist, songwriter, founding member of the Hoodoo Gurus, for a little while, but they are celebrating 40 years of their debut album release, Stone Age Romeos March 1984, with the release of a new album Back to the Stone Age and a corresponding tour. Let's find out all about it. To catch up on podcasts from other favourite artists, simply go to thatradiochickcomau.
Dave Faulkner:Hi Cheryl, how are you?
Cheryl Lee:Good thanks, D dave.
Dave Faulkner:I see your guitar in the background there.
Cheryl Lee:Yeah, it's fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. It's actually a CD player, believe it or not? The guitar yeah, see that black bit there. Yeah, you put a CD in there. Oh fantastic. Yeah, it's pretty groovy.
Dave Faulkner:Okay, great for karaoke yeah.
Cheryl Lee:Or air guitar.
Dave Faulkner:That's it exactly.
Cheryl Lee:I'd like to welcome into the Zoom R room today, f riend of the show, lead singer, founding member guitarist of the Hoodoo Gurus, M mr Dave Faulkner. Yay, yay.
Dave Faulkner:How are you?
Cheryl Lee:Thanks for joining us. I remember we spoke in 2020 when you had your new single, H hung Out to Dry out.
Dave Faulkner:Oh, wow, okay, yeah, absolutely. Those four years just went like a snap of the fingers.
Cheryl Lee:We spoke again in 2022 when you brought out your Chariots of the Gods album. Yeah, and here we are again.
Dave Faulkner:New album, new tour, lots to talk about. Well, not a new album per se. It's a slightly reconfigured old album but with a bonus live album, that's new yeah, true.
Cheryl Lee:Yeah, it's sort of new. It's new to us now. Yeah, yeah, jeepers, creepers. An amazing tour to go with it. Before you embark on your nationwide Australian tour, you're going to America in September.
Dave Faulkner:Yeah, we're doing Brazil and the US again. We did it last year around about April May, and it'll be 18 months this time between visits. But no, we went, as I say last year, had a ball and the demand was to come on back and do it again. So here we are, you know, and when we go to the US we're actually going to do the same thing we're doing in Australia, which is the Stone Age Romeo's Back to the Stone Age tour, where we play the entire album as part of the show. So we'll get it done first in America. But Brazil is going to be another story. We'll just do a bunch of different things there, as usual, because they have their own kind of unique take on what Guru's songs they know, and there's songs there that were hits in Brazil that weren't released as singles elsewhere in the world. So it's yeah, kind of unique for us
Cheryl Lee:I'm just flabbergasted when I look at this list of dates. So you're there for all of September. You're doing 20 dates or something.
Dave Faulkner:I know it's pretty crazy. Well, this will be last year as well. Basically, it's back to the bad old days of when we were in our 20s or early 30s when we were playing, as you say. Like nearly every night We'd jump on the bus and drive overnight between shows and turn up next town and get ready and do it all over again. It's punishing, but at the same time we had a taste of it. Last year we did it and we thought you know how are we going to cope, but in fact we loved it. It was a lot of fun. Best of all, I was able to sleep on the bus. That was what I was most worried about about, you know, because they do move a bit, you know, and you know my family's prone to seasickness. So I just thought, what if I just can't sleep, and you know I just by the end of the tour I'd be a basket case. But no, I was actually, you know, rockabye baby quite happy.
Cheryl Lee:Well, you must have the fountain of youth actually
Dave Faulkner:So yeah, it's pretty full on.
Cheryl Lee:Obviously no talk of the retirement word.
Dave Faulkner:Well, maybe see us after this too, and we'll see how we feel. But no, at this stage we're just having fun. We love playing music. That's the number o ne thing is why we still do it. That hour and a half, you know, two hours, whatever it is on stage, you know, is just kind of like, you know, when we get to really stretch our wings and be Superman instead of Clark Kent.
Cheryl Lee:Exactly, and you are going to be really really good at it by the time you get back.
Dave Faulkner:Now we know how to do it. It's back. Oh, I think we're okay. Now we know how to do it. It's been a while.
Dave Faulkner:You know this isn't our first rodeo, as they say.
Dave Faulkner:Exactly right, all those dates in America, it's going to be one hell of a tour here, yeah we'll be definitely, you know, fired up and, yeah, playing well, if there is any question of that in anyone's mind, anyway, oh, I don't think there is.
Cheryl Lee:But yeah, most of N november, most of December. Many of the dates, as you say, have sold out already. Numbers are selling fast and just for the people in my beautiful town of Adelaide. You are heading here on Saturday, the 23rd of November, at the Hindley Street music hall, so get onto the google-o-meter to find out when the Hoodoos are in your neck of the woods.
Dave Faulkner:Yeah, hoodogurus. net is a link there to all the tickets, so you have a look there and come along. Don't wait too long is all I'm saying, because unfortunately we won't be able to play our second show in Adelaide if that one sells out, which is getting close now already. So the shows everywhere have been just going crazy. They've only been on sale for just over two weeks now and, as you say, so many shows are sold out and we've added more and they've sold out and we're pretty happy about it actually
Cheryl Lee:I think it's a testament to how much you know the fans love the Hoodoo Gurus. So it's called Back to Stone Age. So after 10 studio albums well, sort of 11 now 37 singles, two extended plays, six compilation albums, three video albums. There's a lot to love.
Dave Faulkner:And there's a lot to fill in that show. So yeah, basically we start the show doing the entire Stone Age Romeos. That's the whole point of this tour. It's going to be the 40th anniversary of Stone Age Romeos and we begin the set with the first song and we're going to play them all in order right there and then we'll go on for the rest of our career, for the next however long we stay on stage after that, depending on what people want.
Cheryl Lee:I do love that because that's how we all listened to that record. You know it was on vinyl and we played it from way to go. There was no skip button.
Dave Faulkner:No, there's no ads, no, no, yeah, there's no ads, no, no, yeah, completely. And when we're in America, it's funny we're going to be doing that same thing. Except there were two versions of the album. There was the Australian version, then there was the American version, where they changed the order of the songs and they gave it a whole new cover, which was pretty terrible at the time. So we'd best forgotten about that particular cover, which wasn't our idea, obviously. But we're going to do the Australian version of the album there as well. So in terms of the actual song order, so they get to, you know, hear it like we meant it to be when we first did it.
Cheryl Lee:Yeah, how you Originally Planned it. Debut album released in March 84, Stone Age Romeos. That year it won Best Debut Album at the Countdown Music Awards.
Dave Faulkner:Yes.
Cheryl Lee:Congratulations.
Dave Faulkner:Thank you. Yeah, it was a funny story because, you know, Countdown, people probably have no memory of that show now and most people wouldn't have seen it, but it was a very big deal at the time. And even though bands like us and you know AC/DC, for example you know we weren't particularly their target audience or vice versa. It was a very big platform for, uh, to expose your music and to get known because everyone watched it. There's, basically it was the one show on tv every week that nearly all of Australia tuned in, you know. So you had to kind of put up with the fact that there's a bunch of teeny poppers who mostly wanted to see, you know teen idol type bands and you know they'd watch us with kind of like, what the hell is this racket going on? But, um, you know you were looking at the cameras and saying, well, at least the whole of Australia knows who we are now.
Dave Faulkner:You know we won at the end of the year. It was a bit of a surprise because there were two bands at the time that were very much like Countdown favorites and they sold a lot of records and you know, no offense to them, no good bands and all that, but they were considered to be the favorites to win, which was, um, Kids in the Kitchen and Pseudo Echo, and we were like just this you know rock band from Sydney who we were just there to make up the numbers as far as most people concerned. But um, somehow it all transpired that we got the votes and we won and and the uh, Countdown pet bands didn't kind of you know the cameras were on.
Dave Faulkner:They never even knew where we were in the auditorium. They weren't expecting to win, so there was no. You know, when they rehearsed it with the cameras in the afternoon, they did not even think about where the Hoodoo Gurus were sitting, so it took them a few minutes to find us. So we were walking up to the stage, things like that. It's very funny.
Cheryl Lee:Well, we on the ABC, that's right.
Dave Faulkner:That's right, we watched it religiously. We did, I mean even twice a week, because they had to repeat on Saturdays, didn't they Like? So sometimes we'd watch it twice because you'd see a clip of some band you'd never thought you'd see, and they were on Countdown because, you know, as I say, they played it. A real diversity of stuff. They were mostly, as I said, J ohn Paul Young, things like that.
Dave Faulkner:And you know, of course and it was all those you know number one commercial disco. You know songs as well. You know the Bee Gees and all those things, but then you'd see something like the Sex Pistols on there, you know, and you'd never see it elsewhere because that was the show. Everyone was watching the same program programmers, so it kind of gave us all something we liked at some point. But you had to sit through a lot of things you didn't like and it did launch a thousand bands.
Dave Faulkner:It did it was known in the industry at the time that if you went on Countdown your your record would go up, at least you know, 15 places in the charts.
Speaker 1:The next week automatically I don't know if it would be for us, but you know. But we're on there a couple of times.
Speaker 1:In fact, we even got to host it once, which I'd forgotten about, but you know how.
Dave Faulkner:Rage shows old episodes of Countdown sometimes. Well, there we were hosting Brad and I, you know, introducing. I don't know who was on the show that day, but I can't even remember doing it. But it must have been a pretty out-of-body experience at the time because, yeah, we weren't exactly their demographic.
Cheryl Lee:We're going to hear that song now that Hoodoo Gurus played on Countdown and we're going to let the host of that night, Susie Q, introduce them, and we'll be back to speak some more with Dave Faulkner straight after this.
Speaker 1:Hi there everybody. I'm going to be here with you in Australia for six weeks, or if I'm anywhere in your vicinity, do come and see me. And I'm here on Countdown and I'm certainly enjoying myself. And right now we're going to go over to live in the studio. The Hoodoo Gurus. And What's my Scene,
Cheryl Lee:you haven't needed Countdown this time, but re-release the 40th anniversary edition. Picture disc number one. Australian album number eight. Album number two vinyl.
Dave Faulkner:Yeah, yeah, it did very well. I mean, luckily we well, unluckily, I don't know we only had a limited edition so we couldn't see if we'd plummet in the charts the following week, because that was pretty much our whole stock in one one week. But I mean, obviously a lot of people wanted it straight away and they knew it was a rare item and picked it up and so that made it have a high chart placing. Yeah, I mean, when it came out the album was only got, I believe seeing on the some of the interviews I've done, I said apparently someone said it was 28 when it first came out, so we got to number eight this time, so we finally got in the top 10 40 years later.
Cheryl Lee:Well done, oh well. Other successes 2007. You, as the founding member of the Hoodoo Gurus, gave the acceptance speech when you guys were inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame Congratulations, yeah. And then you personally inducted into the WA Music Hall of Fame a couple of years later, in 2009. So good to receive those acknowledgements.
Dave Faulkner:Kind of bizarre. Actually, the ARIA one was funny because, you know, we'd never been nominated for an ARIA award ever in our career. So here we are getting the Hall of Fame after basically not being considered, you know, significant enough to get any sort of nominations. Prior to that, we got one for album cover Nomination. That is, we didn't win it, but we got nominated for best album cover, which is not really something we can completely take credit for. But no, look, it's funny. I mean, awards are better to win them, I suppose, than not, but you know it means nothing in the ultimate. More importantly is, you know, can you still listen to the music and enjoy it? And that's something that we're very proud to say, that we think our stuff holds up pretty well.
Cheryl Lee:Well, it certainly has Now going back a little bit again. Countdown, wasn't your very first TV? Oh yes, Was it no, no, no.
Dave Faulkner:We had a relationship with TV from the very beginning.
Dave Faulkner:Our very first performance anywhere was actually on a TV program called Simon Townsend's Wonderworld. They did a short story about us, kind of basically snuck in, you know, under their guard because Kimball, our guitarist at the time when the band first started Kimball Rendell was one of the guitarists and he was a filmmaker and he ended up, you know, going back into film, you know permanently after you know, being in the band for a little while. But he knew people on this program. Someone Tells Us Wonderworld and convinced them to. You know, do a story on us because you know we could use the publicity, whatever.
Dave Faulkner:And it just so happened that the story, by the time it was put together and went to air, was the day before we had our first ever gig. So we were on TV live around Australia well, not live, but you know being exposed around Australia the day before we went on any stage.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it was kind of a funny thing that program was a kids' show, but they also would have like kind of, you know, up-and-coming indie sort of bands.
Dave Faulkner:It was kind of interesting that way. That show it wasn't always putting the chart-topping albums. They'd put, you know, local Australian bands that were kind of a bit more left of centre. And we were more left of centre than most because we hadn't even played a gig yet.
Cheryl Lee:Well done, and you personally. Even before that, you were on TV with your school band, right?
Dave Faulkner:Oh, I was, yeah, not my band but my school over in Perth where I grew up, they used to have this program there and the school had, like a singing group, a rotating group of permanent sort of guests a bit like young talent side, but they had their own young talent team. And then there was some competition as well. There'd be some you know three singers or something like that competing and singing and getting judged and progressing through to semi-finals and finals at the end of the year. In the meantime, there'd be different themed shows with, you know, music of 20s or something, and we're singing these old-fashioned songs and we were like this trinity folk group was what I was part of. So I probably ended up being on it about four or five times maybe in a space of a year. Through that also got to appear on stage with the WA opera company as well. Because they said, oh, these kids, you know, got some, some exposure, you know television experience, they might be able to go on stage and not make a fool of themselves. So they invited us to be part of this group, this opera, which is a Strauss opera called the gypsy baron. We were a group of urchins and I was the head urchin out of three head urchins like separate nights again, because I cycled around so that you get your sleep and you wouldn't be, I know child labor laws wouldn't be broken or something, yeah, like that. So I actually got my first stage laugh as part of the Gypsy Baron.
Cheryl Lee:Yes, I'm an old stager from childhood. Yeah, groomed for success. Oh, great experience.
Dave Faulkner:As a kid you loved it. You know and also getting to learn how things were done. You know behind the scenes. I mean obviously you're seeing cameras and seeing a show rehearsed and put together and you it together and you know recording tracks for it and all those things were quite illuminating for a kid. And the same thing with the opera just being part of that backstage environment and you know also a full-on opera and hearing orchestra and you know, and all that stuff was.
Dave Faulkner:Yeah, it was pretty cool. I don't think it really prepared me for being in the Hoodoo Gurus.
Cheryl Lee:I was unable to find out what song the Hoodoo Gurus played on Simon Townsend's Wonderworld, so I will just play you the first song from the Stone Age Romeo's album, which will probably be the first song you hear the Hoodoo Gurus play when you go to the Back to the Stone Age tour. I Want you Back.
Speaker 4:You believe we're all a little crazy. You believe we're giving everything your best, then you belong with me, so let your mind run free. Welcome to a wonder world.
Dave Faulkner:The thing that was more important for me, uh, at school, certainly was we did have a rock band, which was a real band me and a couple of few other people in the in my class, uh, and we'd actually play our school functions and, you know, and also other schools, because we were, you know we were cheap, it cost nothing or very little. We were, you know, we were cheap, it cost nothing or very little. We'd play all the songs that we were listening to as kids, you know, teenagers, whatever, and a mixture of whatever, you know we thought we could play without making up rules of ourselves. And that was where I got my first experience singing and performing on stage and that was where I really learnt something that was useful, learnt something for me, you know, later in life, because you know I'd gotten used to the idea of being on stage in front of people and having a microphone and you know not being embarrassed or you know whatever. You know learning how to perform and be confident.
Cheryl Lee:Great learning curve yeah.
Dave Faulkner:It's funny though, you know, music was something I was always doing, and that included that band, and also I was writing songs. You know, we did some songs in that band that were not very good, but I wrote a couple, you know, and that was just what I was doing. You know, without planning. It wasn't like I was going, oh, I want to be a musician or I want to be a rock star or anything like that. I was actually at that time of my life, I was more famous than my family for being an artist, painting and drawing.
Dave Faulkner:Everyone at school, like the teachers and that all thought that's what's going to become an artist. So they kind of let me sort sort of slack off in the more you know normal school work, because they thought, oh, he'll never go to university, he's just going to be a painter or something. And in fact I did go to university because my marks were okay and I did architecture because my parents had persuaded me. Well, you can't be an artist If you can draw. You can be an architect. You know, use your drawing skills or something more employable, rather than, you know, starving as an artist. So I thought, oh, that makes sense. I like architecture too. You know Frank Lloyd Wright and Le Corbusier and people like that. But when I got to university and studied architecture, I hated it and you never went, did you?
Cheryl Lee:Well, no, I didn't go.
Dave Faulkner:All I did was play music and go out and you know, do that and didn't turn up at lectures. And when I failed out of architecture, I realised I'd come to the crossroads. And you know what the hell are you doing with your life? And it was obviously music was all I was doing with my life, so I just did that.
Dave Faulkner:Yeah, so I became a musician, not by default but certainly not by fantasising or having had experience on television as a kid or whatever. That meant nothing in that decision. It was just literally that I loved music so much and was writing songs and that's all I was doing, so I couldn't do anything else really.
Cheryl Lee:Well, you did try banking, but no, I did join a bank because I wanted to get some equipment because I'm not from a wealthy family, so no one was going to buy me.
Dave Faulkner:I played keyboards then, so no one was going to buy me.
Cheryl Lee:You know keyboards and amplifiers and stuff, so I got a job in a bank to try, and that was a means to an end. Yeah yeah, I got a job in a bank just trying to save some money. Do you want to lend me $200?
Dave Faulkner:Well, I made a mistake a couple of times but I became a teller eventually and I ended up losing a few hundred dollars a couple of days at different times and they just didn't have it. At the end of the day I must have given someone too many 50s or something, and you know it can happen. So yeah, banking wasn't necessarily my forte. Eventually my brother lent me the money to buy equipment. I bought a secondhand keyboard and an amp and that's when I joined a band. And then that was actually a professional group and they were a blues group and it was sort of a bit more of a hip sort of band and in WA the blues scene was quite big in Perth at that time Still is, but that was very much.
Dave Faulkner:The alternate scene in Perth was a blues scene and this band were quite successful and I was 18. I joined them and I was you know already this like a full-time job as a musician at 18. I was a pretty amazing feeling. Then it went on from there. You know, my major career was after that Following year when I formed my own punk band, the Victims, with James Baker. That was kind of the beginning of me writing and singing my own songs and kind of getting success for that.
Cheryl Lee:Let's have the Victim's Television Addict. Our guest is Dave Faulkner, lead singer, founding member, guitarist, songwriter from the Hoodoo Gurus. When I was looking through some songs earlier, I came across you guys with the Masters Apprentices doing Turn Up Your Radio. How did that come about?
Dave Faulkner:Brad is a huge fan of the Masters Apprentices. So are we all, but Brad in particular was very much excited by this band and he got to meet Jim Keays somehow I forget how that happened, but they were coming to some kind of you know, had an anniversary of that record or their formation or something, and they wanted to do something to celebrate that. And so the idea was floated, somehow to get the Hoodoo Gurus to collaborate and do a remake of their single Turn Up Your Radio. So yeah, we're totally into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's great, it sounds great, you know. Yeah, it's really good you know, yeah, it's really good.
Dave Faulkner:You know you can't beat the original. Like you know, it's such a great song and the Masters' own version was wonderful, but I think it's a pretty rockin' version. So, you know, it didn't turn out too shabby.
Cheryl Lee:I really like it. Well done and of course, we love the Masters because they're from Adelaide.
Dave Faulkner:Absolutely love the Masters. You know they're not. What an amazing story. They did a demo which they sent across to Sydney to Festival Records I think it was, and it was for the song Undecided. It was just a demo, they'd just written it around that same time and just went to the studio and knocked it off. Next thing they know they hear it on the radio.
Speaker 1:Festival Records put it out without even signing up to a record deal. They heard it on the radio.
Cheryl Lee:Their first single and they hey, we're a success, success on the radio already, and they didn't even have a contract it was called Undecided because they couldn't decide what to call the song. It's a great song.
Dave Faulkner:In fact it's my phone ringtone. I use it for um my alarm to wake me up because it's such a raw, loud, loud riff certainly wakes me up from any sleep. I can hear any loud. You know what I'm talking about. Pretty good.
Cheryl Lee:I'm going to go one better than just playing you the riff. I'm going to play you the whole song the Master's Apprentices, Undecided. And then we're back to say farewell to Hoodoo Gurus. Dave Faulkner.
Cheryl Lee:I was just hoping that you might be able to give a little bit of advice, because there's no denying that the current music industry is difficult to navigate. But when you guys started, the industry had its own difficulties, including quite unscrupulous representation. You're still owed a great deal of money, unpaid royalties from the 80s. Yes, we are.
Dave Faulkner:We've never been paid a royalty for our first album in the US, which is weird. Well, it's complicated, but basically you know, we signed to a small label and then that label did a side deal, but they did it for their catalogue. They got an advance for their whole catalogue of artists. The American label was recouping that money off them and whenever we'd ask them to say, well, how much does our record earn? They would say you must ask your own label that Well, our label was not paying us so we had no one to ask. To this day I never received a royalty for that album in America.
Cheryl Lee:Nowadays it's sort of like a whole new plethora of bands p falls. Thank you, Any advice for new, younger, maybe less experienced bands coming up that maybe you can save them making some mistakes along the way?
Dave Faulkner:Sure. Well, one very simple bit of advice is to besides you know, seeing a lawyer before you sign anything and making sure that it makes sense make sure that your publishing doesn't get locked up. The publishing is the money you get as a songwriter. When you write a song and it's recorded by yourself or your own band or other people, there's money paid to the band or the performer for recording, but also the songwriter. Whether it's your song or someone else's song, there's a little bit of money goes to that person. That's called publishing. So sometimes people sign a deal, have a record contract for their band, then that deal goes away but the publishing is still signed up because it didn't end. So the idea is to make sure that if you do sign a publishing at the same time as you're doing the recording contract, make sure that the two expire at the same time. So if they're not giving you money to make a record, they don't get to keep any money or share the money you make as a publisher. If you make a record for someone else, so keep the publishing. So it's co-terminus. So if one deal ends, the other deal ends at the same time, unless of course they're separate.
Dave Faulkner:You know completely separate organisations. You might get a publishing deal with one company who are not related to the record company you sign with, and that might be a separate commercial decision you make. But often, with a band starting out or an artist starting out, the deals will be exactly with the same entity, where they'll be like we'll get you publishing, we'll get you a record contract and blah blah, blah Even and blah blah blah Even demand a piece of your merchandise and live work. Sometimes they call it a 360 deal, which is also equally obnoxious. So be careful about all those things. Don't sign things away forever, because you know when one component goes you should be free for all the other bits to be free again as well. But you know sometimes they aren't. Complicated thing. Another thing try to get reversion.
Speaker 1:so that you know if, after a certain amount of time, that record that you made for that label and they had made their money back on it so that in fact they're making profit still so that maybe, say, 10 or 15 years after the deal finishes, you get that album back completely and they don't own any of it and don't get any of it.
Dave Faulkner:That's called a reversion. Try and get those as well, because the biggest thing is, of course, like us with our first album, we can't get that back in the US. We've got it for everywhere else in the world but not in the US and we unfortunately don't have a reversion for that album. So it's going to be forever owned by someone else over there and they probably still won't pay us forever.
Cheryl Lee:A warning to you all. Wonderful advice. And here's some advice from me. As our mate Molly would say, do yourselves a favour. If you haven't got it already, grab the Back to the Stone Age album and grab your ticket when the Hoodoo Gurus make their way to your town. Back to the Stone.
Dave Faulkner:Age is the only property available on CD now. That's going to be still out there. If you're lucky you might find one of the albums. The double vinyl version, limited edition might get a couple of record stores still if you're lucky, but probably easy to get the CD at this point. But either way we're going to be there on November 23 and come on down.
Cheryl Lee:Yep, we'll see you down the front.
Cheryl Lee:Excellent. Thank you very much.
Dave Faulkner:No worries, mate.
Cheryl Lee:Thank you, alright well have a great trip to the US and Brazil.
Dave Faulkner:Yes indeed, I'm not a gibbering idiot. I look forward to seeing everyone.
Cheryl Lee:Yeah, we'll see you when you get back.
Dave Faulkner:No worries, mate. Thank you Bye.
Cheryl Lee:This month we are celebrating 60 years yes, the 60-year anniversary of the Beatles' visit to Australia. So I've dug this one out for you from the album Then and Now. Australia Salutes the Beatles. Here's a Hard Day's Night by the Hoodoo Gurus.
Cheryl Lee:Thank you so much for joining me on the still Rockin It podcast. Hope to catch you again next time. Get out when you can support Aussie music and I'll see you down the front.