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Transforming Transport: Insightful Stories from Mervin Vargas
Mervin Vargas, a key figure in the shed hauling world, joins us to unravel his fascinating journey from Costa Rica to Texas. Discover how Mervin's adept leadership has united various companies under the banner of United Shed Transport, creating a collaborative force that is transforming the shed transportation industry. From memorable anecdotes at a Texas barbecue event to insights into the growing network of vendors, listeners will gain a unique perspective on the industry's dynamic growth and Mervin's influential role in shaping its future.
Hear about the thrilling advancements Mervin has witnessed in shed-hauling technology since 2004. We reminisce about the early days of manual labor involving jacks and come-alongs, and contrast it with today's cutting-edge innovations like the touchless Challenger mover controlled by a smartphone. Mervin shares his initial skepticism, which eventually turned into admiration, for these technological marvels that promise to revolutionize efficiency and safety. We also peek into the future, exploring the potential of electric vehicles and rigs that are set to redefine operational norms in shed transportation.
As we delve deeper, the narrative shifts to the intricacies of tough shed delivery and the resilience of Wolf Valley cabins. Mervin discusses the importance of innovation and teamwork, sharing experiences with Cardinal Leasing and the significant role of emerging technologies. We also explore the strategic balance of truck ownership and the benefits of mixing company-owned trucks with owner operators. This episode is a packed resource for anyone eager to learn about the evolving landscape of shed transportation, the challenges and innovations in the industry, and the unwavering drive towards adaptability and progress.
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Hi, welcome back to another episode of the Shed Geek podcast. This is Friday fun day with Sambassador version. Man, I feel rusty doing this. I haven't done one in a little while. I'm here with United Shed Transport's main kingpin, Mervin Vargas. We used to call you the mob boss, but you didn't seem to like it too good, so I kind of slacked off and let it go. Man, I just got to see you and your whole bunch out in Texas. You just always seem to have a phenomenal group of guys around you. I think that's commendable. How are you today, Mervin?
Mervin Vargas:I'm doing great. I'm a blessed man, that's for sure.
Sambassador:Yep, you survived your weekend.
Mervin Vargas:I sure did.
Sambassador:So, yeah, we just got back from the Texas barbecue. You and Caleb and Carl do an awesome job of putting that together, man, I cannot wait for next year. Um, we're going to plug the bash in with y'all work together. Um, I told you guys earlier and we're going to do an episode with the three of us. Um, it's, just getting the three of you guys to get agree on the same date is almost impossible. Um, yeah, it wasn't you, it was the other two. I'll put it that way. You were pretty flexible. What was your take back from the weekend?
Mervin Vargas:It was great. I met a lot of new people and I made new friends and new connections.
Sambassador:It was awesome to uh connect again and yeah, there was there seemed to be a lot of new people, didn't there?
Mervin Vargas:yes, there were a lot of new people, people that I've never seen before, I guess yeah, yeah, I thought about that too.
Sambassador:It was uh well, not only did we have new people there, but we had new vendors. I don't know, do you all call them sponsors or whatever you call them? Yeah sponsors.
Mervin Vargas:We got a lot of people texting and calling hey, I want a sponsor. You know these were shed haulers, shed manufacturers, all that before we didn't have.
Sambassador:Yeah, I saw there was a lot of shed manufacturers that were involved. This time you got Wayne Small to finally show up. I thought that was cool. He showed up, you know he's. He's got his unique jacks that he pedals out there for us. I love those little jacks.
Sambassador:I'm I was one of them that was not very confident about those things that I'll start with and obviously I haven't hauled enough sheds in the last couple of years to have a set of them that I run with me. But, man, I can see where those things. You know, I grew up handyman I mean before even moving kids we had handyman jacks around that's right and we know they're widow makers. Um so, but I dude I'm. Before we had sideways wheels and all that stuff. I used to throw shed sideways with a jack, you know, jack it up and toss it to the side and watch it fly over three four feet.
Sambassador:That's right. You I'm sure you did the same thing oh, I did plenty.
Mervin Vargas:I put up brief sheet in the air and then throw it, yep.
Sambassador:And eventually you get the thing turned sideways.
Mervin Vargas:That's right, that's right.
Sambassador:Speaking of which I want to know a little bit. I remember we talked about this a couple years ago. My brain's a little foggy, but where did you come from? Where did you get your start in sheds? Where did you grow from? Where did you get your start in sheds? Where did you grow up at? Have you always been a Texas boy? What's your story about where you got into sheds?
Mervin Vargas:Well, I grew up in Costa Rica. Obviously, I was born in Costa Rica and I was 15 when my dad moved to Tennessee and when he moved there, his first job was building sheds. So obviously I'm a 15 year old so I go wherever he goes, and we start sheds him, my brother and I and we built sheds up to 04 and then Leland called. We were living in Tennessee and he was at that time delivering his own buildings, and he called said hey, um, I'm needing somebody to take my place. Pretty much I can't, I need to be in the office more and all that good stuff. So, I moved to Texas from Tennessee and Leland pretty much said there's the truck and there's the trailer and you put them I was an 18-year-old and he goes just put them on the trailer and go deliver them. So, I just went and figured it out and from there you know it's history, I guess in 2017, I was a company driver for them up to 2016. And then I got my own truck and went and started hauling for Derksen.
Mervin Vargas:And then Carl called me, wanted a meeting, and then that's when Leland sold me all their equipment and we took over all their stuff and after that, you know, stayed with Derksen, and then other companies come in, and then here we are.
Sambassador:Yeah, your name is probably in the shed hauling industry. Your name probably explains better what you do than anybody I know United Shed Transport. United Shed Transport. You have a clear and defined knack at being able to get guys to let you pull them together. All different sheds for different people. What do you think created that? Like, how did you go? You didn't just walk in one day and say I'm going to haul sheds for six different companies. You just started and as the doors opened, you went here and there. But what? What's your? You don't have to give away your secrets. I'm sure you got a couple, but what makes it work for you? How did you, how were you able to unite these guys? You know like I've got my own ideas, but I want to hear what you think.
Mervin Vargas:Well, one of the things that I focused on was serving, or service. And every time that they would call me, you know, and they had a concern, but you hold for so-and-so how are you going to service me? And I was like, well, you don't worry about so-and-so, what do you need? And I'll let you know if I can service that need or not, and then we'll come to an agreement. And then I made it a priority that I have an agreement with this company this way and I have an agreement with this company this way. Those agreements got executed and then respect each other's how do you say it? What they want.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Mervin Vargas:I can't put my thoughts into words but, like some, ask to never have another manufacturer's jets on their trailer. Yeah, while you're hauling's sheds on their trailer.
Sambassador:Yeah, while you're hauling theirs On the same trailer.
Mervin Vargas:So, then you know okay, do you realize that puts me in a tough spot. Then I can't be as efficient. It may cost you a little more. Well, we're fine with that, okay. So now I have to convey that message to the whole team, saying okay for this manufacturer, make sure that nobody has there's no other shed on the trailer. Or another manufacturer asks that we don't pull into their lots with somebody else's product on our trailers. So, then we have to respect that to serve them. You know the whole mentality is serving the manufacturer.
Sambassador:Oh, yeah, yep.
Mervin Vargas:The best that we can.
Sambassador:Yeah, I like the fact that you brought up that obviously you could save money if you run loads together, because it would save you mileage. You know you get to double up, you can plan your stuff out better, but you have worked through that very well. I mean, like you have. I remember years. When was it when we were in Fort Worth and you actually talked about that? That's been a while.
Mervin Vargas:It's been a while yeah.
Sambassador:Yeah, so you've been doing it a while. I did not realize that when you first left Leland's you had gone to Derksen. When you started on your own, I thought you had gone straight, like started the Leland's on your own, like straight from Leland's no, no, I had tried, but they didn't.
Mervin Vargas:They did not want to go that route. So an opportunity popped up, so I took it, you know, with Derksen, yep, and then from there they had, I guess, issues.
Mervin Vargas:I guess you're gonna say, you know, with Derkson, yep, and then from there they had, I guess, issues. I guess you're gonna say, you know, like they were having a hard time finding drivers and all that good stuff, and then they started getting me to do some other stuff here and there, and then carl and I were in conversations back and forth, and obviously those conversations I was throwing the line in there, you know and yeah and they took the bait.
Sambassador:No, and that's when the fish is hungry that's right, that's right and then you know it just, it just went from there yep, so this, this is uh, this is one of the biggest things I wanted to get to talk about with you, that I've always looked forward to doing with you. You haul some really big stuff now. When you first got started in sheds way back, when did you ever think that we would end up where you're at today?
Sambassador:never, I would never thought about that, yeah I mean even starting your hauling career in Texas. We know they've had bigger sheds. They got bigger. The roadways are more accommodating to bigger sheds. Their bridges seem to accommodate better than what we do around here. All that being said, you started in 2004. What was a standard shed?
Mervin Vargas:10 by 16, 10 by 12. 12 by 24 was considered. Oh boy, that's a big one.
Sambassador:Yeah, that's a big shed.
Mervin Vargas:That's a big shed Going over 100 miles, was considered. Man, I may have to take clothes to stay overnight. Yeah, it's crazy what the mindset was back then, but you have to. You have to think about the fact that we were hauling one building at the time too.
Mervin Vargas:So, the trailer we had turbo 24 was the only thing you could go on there. So, you had to go all the way to Comanche, which is, you know, 80 miles from here, and it was like, oh man, this is an all-day thing. And you get there and there's no mule. You have to unload it and jacks and come- alongs and the whole night you get it into place. It's an all-day thing, you know. So, it was way, way different back in 040. It is now that was.
Sambassador:That was my next question. So, you said you know, basically they said there is the truck, there's the trailer, go figure it out. Which I chuckled at, because a lot of us that's how, that's literally how we learned. You know, I learned at a much younger age, but it was basically the same thing, you know. I mean, yeah, we had handyman jacks, we had come- alongs, we have blocking tackles, we had winches and whatever pipes had pipes along, and then I got tired of pipes and started carrying lvl's because they slid better. Um, do you remember, like so, when you first got started, you don't know nothing what you're doing. Um, I, when somebody asked me about those days, I always have a particular shed that pops up that took me forever to get this shed in. Do you have any of those memories like that shed? That's like oh yeah, it took me six hours put that shed in there.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, yeah, I had one, but it was sitting on a on a hill. That was my biggest problem, so I just say I put it on the hill and then did the mistake of, you know, not hooking it to a winch or anything, put a truck out from under it. When I got out of the truck the building was like 30 feet down the hill.
Mervin Vargas:Oh no so I had to bring it back up yeah, I had to go down there, hook a winch to it and pull it up the hill and then figure out how to get it up in the air and level it, and so that one there took me a day and a half, you know, because it was about early late afternoon until I got started, and so I had to go the next day and finish it.
Sambassador:But it was interesting, oh, my word. So, I've left a couple overnight because I got there too late to finish them up and didn't have what I needed to finish, or whatever.
Sambassador:But, I don't think I actually had. This was after I had gotten back into it in 2009 or 10. I think it was the end of 2009. I did a delivery, and I was using a truss roller trailer, just a big old gooseneck flatbed that had the rollers that you could lock the rollers so the trusses wouldn't slide, so I would haul sheds on that thing, you know. And we got the brilliant idea to mount this little bitty Harbor Freight winch on the front of it so we could pull our sheds up, that thing, you know. And we got the brilliant idea to mount this little bitty harbor freight winch on the front of it so we could pull our sheds up there on there.
Sambassador:And uh, the guy that owned the trust company actually talked me back into holland and uh, we were like, oh, we're gonna go move this. It was a, it was a move job and it was a 12 by 32 decent sized building. And we got out there and of course, you know, first thing I'm used to doing is you take it off the block, sit it on the ground and then you figure out how to get it on the trailer. And it was high centered on a dumb little hill after we took all the blocks out and we burned up two inches. We went back to harbor freight got another one and burned that one up, trying to load that dumb shi on that roller trailer oh it was six hours it took us to load that thing, take it five miles down the road and set it back up again.
Sambassador:I got both, but it, yeah, it's. You know, and here I was standing there talking with Steve uh Bon trager on Saturday and I was watching those guys run those mules that they had brought and set up there. You know the little machines that we use to install now. Well, now they're not even little, they're huge.
Sambassador:And one of the guys was on that machine I think he was on the 70 40 and he was waving the mask back and forth like, flipping it from one side to the other, extending the arms up and down, in and out, and I just sat there and I'm like if I would have done that with my first meal, the thing would have literally flipped over right there on the ground like without even moving, because if the mask was not locked in and it flipped sideways, more than likely it was going to turn over.
Sambassador:And you're going with it. Yeah Well, if you try to hold it, you're for sure going with it. And to just sit there and see where those things have come from in the past 10 years. What's your opinion on that?
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Mervin Vargas:I think it's very awesome and I was thinking about that same thing Saturday that I remember when the first one came out and Leland's bought one of them for four of us, so we're supposed to share, and I said I'll never, you're never going to see me one of those mules, because a real shed hauler does not use a mule thank you and I was out there for probably a whole year of not using a mule. Steve Stoltzfus, I don't know if you know him, but he's actually a guy that's challenged it and he was the same way.
Mervin Vargas:Him and I were out there delivering sheds and we're not going to be using these stupid mules, you know. And then we used it once and it was about a month later. I told Leland if you want another one to share, you better get the second one, because this thing ain't coming off my trailer. And why was? Why was it was because I can actually deliver sheds faster now, you know. And now look where we're at with these machines that can do, you know, 820 by 56 finished out cabins. You know, just go over a hill and down the hill and stuff that we did last week with that big old monster that dude, that is.
Sambassador:It's crazy when you think about. You know, a 12 by 24 uh man, I don't even remember weighs 2800 pounds if it's loaded up, maxed out probably, and now we're talking 28,000 pounds, 40,000 pounds, you know. Sheds finished, cabins Finished cabins and yeah. Yeah, so what is your official opinion of the new? What is the thing? A 9060?.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, 9060, I think, or 9065.
Sambassador:Yeah, 9060 or think or 1965. Yeah, 1960 or 1965. Monster machine Diesel. They finally listened and gave us a diesel machine.
Mervin Vargas:And they finally listened and gave us a machine that will save the end wall somewhat. And you know they are going to go change some things that are actually going to make it better yet, but that was a big, big deal nowadays with the way they made this big machine and yeah the way that thing moved around the port man, that's, that's what we've been asking for years and they, they, they did it yep, they did so.
Sambassador:Now the next thing is we're gonna we're gonna bug them about getting an electric one. Yeah, so you can just plug it up on the truck and it can charge while you're riding around and then you take it off. Steve shaped his head at me and he's like you just never give up, do you? I'm like, no, I'm like, I got my diesel machine, now I want my EV machine.
Mervin Vargas:I want an electric vehicle, you know, one that hooks up to the battery and it's quiet and I can sneak in and get somebody's building and they never even hear that I'm. All they hear is the tracks running. Yeah, I've told the guys that it would be kind of cool to have a whole electric rig, just for the kicks of it. I don't know how efficient or how good it would be, but it would be cool to have a electric big truck. The trailer is all electric and then a mule is all electric.
Sambassador:Somewhere there's some big batteries.
Mervin Vargas:Some big batteries. Yeah, there's a company in Canada that is building them that has a generator Like a C12 engine, you know, in the engine compartment but the whole motors and everything is. It's all electric so that the generator is generating electricity to run those motors on the truck. No way. All you hear going down the road and while running it's just like a c12 or c10 I think. It is just like an idle was like a little generator running. That's all you need.
Sambassador:It's just powering the batteries to run those wheels.
Mervin Vargas:Exactly, that's a pretty cool concept. They're using them for logging up in Canada.
Sambassador:Really.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah.
Sambassador:It would seem like with the diesel and the electric motors it would be extremely heavy. But maybe, maybe, since it has a generator, it doesn't have to have the huge batteries that a regular rig has.
Mervin Vargas:Yes, yes, I think that's what makes the difference. Yeah, that looks crazy. The looks of the trucks don't look the best, you know, they look like a Mac 100 years ago, but hey, they're starting. So, who knows what they're gonna look like 10 years from now?
Mervin Vargas:but yeah, that's yep, I think it's a cool concept yep, that is cool, and if you, have to pack and recharge your trailer and recharge your mule and everything while you're going down the road and you get to the job site and just run it. Everything is nice and quiet, you know yeah, that's, that's pretty wild.
Sambassador:Um, I know, I know, for me personally, um, I've had to change my opinion like crazy, especially the last two years, on what I've seen, the, the capabilities and what can be done with electric, ev, electric vehicle potential or whatever. I've got a buddy here local that he picked up a I don't know what model it is, but it's a Tesla car. He took me for a spin in it, showed me what all he can do, the self-drive that thing. He can even call it like he can. He can make it come to him. It's like a. It's like a driverless uber ride. Yeah, it's like and it. It really, it really makes you. Well, now he's got the cyber truck, took me for a ride in that thing a while back.
Sambassador:And the most insane thing that caught me off guard about the Cybertruck I mean I knew it did zero to 60, like Mustang GT type numbers, like what we're used to doing back in our old days, you know, in a hot rod car. I knew it did that and it does it quiet, so it doesn't even feel like you're doing anything. Zero to 60, you know, three seconds flat it will go 60 to zero. Just as fast, just as fast, yeah it, that thing stops like it's. It's more impressive to me as a hauler, as a trucker, as somebody because, listen, I never had nightmares about not taking off too fast, I have nightmares about not stopping in time yeah, yeah, you know dude, I used to.
Sambassador:I used to wake up at night, you know, and I wake up from like I couldn't get stopped in time and I ran into cars or I ran into a hill, or you know that it was never. It was never the taking off, it was the stopping. And the impressive part of that cyber truck is how fast it stops and it charges the batteries while it's stopping the reverse engineers and you know, and uh, and if you misjudge the stop sign, it knows where the stop sign is and it's stopping itself. Dude, that thing is so it and the jukebox, like it's a it. You, you got a remote on your phone. It's a jukebox. It'll sit there and play music for you all night long, play your list of your songs, whatever you want the lights. You can even do a disco thing and make all the lights go with it.
Sambassador:That's just what's out there, you know, and I'm like, well, I told Steve, I'm like you know, I, I get the whole thing that we wanted a diesel machine and I I think that's cool and everything I said, but seeing where we've come with the EV stuff the last couple years, I'm like man, you got to be working on that and he's like, ah, it's just too heavy. It's too heavy, you can't get enough power. I'm like, nope, he'll figure it out, I know he will.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, there's got to be a way.
Sambassador:Oh yeah, there's a way, if they way, if, uh, if they can, if they can build that monstrosity they built. That's insane what it dude. Do you know what caught me off guard about that machine on Saturday? I never heard that. I never heard that thing torqued down at all.
Sambassador:You should have seen it at the job pulling that cabin in place yeah, I wish I would have, because that would have been really if I'd. Well, I'd drop my daughter off in Denver and I was pushed for time the way it was, but that would have been really if I didn't. Well, I dropped my daughter off in Denver and I was pushed for time the way it was, but it would have been really cool to be there in time to see y'all do that delivery.
Mervin Vargas:Like the whole time he was doing that thing it was literally an idol and he would go up and over the hump and down the hill and back up the hill and the whole time. The thing is on idol, I'm like is he going to rev that thing up time?
Sambassador:the thing is on idle, I'm like is he gonna rev that thing up? He goes you want to tear the cabin up, that's true. Uh, that is crazy. So did it catch you off guard how big it is?
Mervin Vargas:it did. Yeah, it did, and my first thought was that, well, this is dumb, it's great, but it's dumb because how am I gonna get to job sites, you know? But seeing it work and stuff is like, well, this is what we asked for and here it is, so why complain? Now let's figure out how to get to the job sites yeah it is I love.
Sambassador:I love the stance, the wider tracks, the wider you know, I don't know if you remember, but a couple years ago, when we, when you had the barbecue there and we had the mule competition to where they were dragging the building around between the cones and setting it in place, Joe Suarez won with his seven that year. Um, he was hauling tail on that seven but that thing was torquing and it was chugging that gravel and spinning around throwing gravel.
Sambassador:You know what you remember what I'm talking about yeah, yeah this thing takes a shed a whole lot bigger on idle and just cruises around and I, I promise you Gary, was bound and determined to break that shed I know he was either gonna break the shed or make the mule do something.
Sambassador:It did. I mean that thing never barked one time. He had to think four foot off the ground he was either going to break the shed or make the mule do something. It did, I mean that thing never barked one time. He had that thing four foot off the ground and was pushing it the opposite direction and the little pea gravel was flying everywhere.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was running at that man, that guy, I mean, he is trying hard to get to tear that building up. So, I looked over at Carl to see what he was doing. He had his face covered, or something.
Sambassador:No, I didn't get to see Carl. What was he? He wasn't having a heart attack.
Mervin Vargas:No, he was sitting over there on a side-by-side chilling, so he was good Nice.
Sambassador:Yeah, shout out to a well-built shed too. I know some sheds that never took that abuse, but that's also. That's also um.
Sambassador:That also tells you just how much difference that big mast makes it makes, even though you know, even though we think you know, I think one of the things they're changing on it is to pre-bend that thing a little bit so it hits on the outside more than the middle. But even that being said, it made a huge difference on that. If you would have had 737 arms or 70, 40 arms up there and you were doing what he was doing with that machine, you'd have blew that whole wall, that wall would have been done.
Sambassador:Yep, it was pretty cool to see how that thing held up. Based on based on that. Now I don't know what lags y'all put in the end of that thing before we got there, but it was.
Mervin Vargas:It was good that thing was not prepped or done anything different.
Sambassador:That's how they build them, so it's just the way it was built it was the way it's built, yeah, so the one you delivered the other day with it, the big cabin, was that you said that was a Wolf Valley cabin.
Mervin Vargas:It was a Wolf Valley cabin Finished out.
Sambassador:Yeah, let's. Let's talk about Wolf Valley cabins for just a little bit. I haven't actually laid eyes on one in a couple of years, but I'm assuming they're still doing the same thing, where they're putting actual steel plates in between double runners.
Mervin Vargas:I don't know that they're doing that actually. Runners, I don't know that they're doing that actually, but after delivering this cabin and being over there and messing around and they're a lot with some cabins they are going to start doing that oh, they are I know they had been but I didn't know if they had quit doing it or if they were still doing it.
Sambassador:But they it just. It just shows you. I mean, not only are they doing a double runner, but they're putting a piece of plate steel in between the two runners, bolting them all together just to build those things that much more sturdy, stout, and all that just adds more weight for you.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, it does, that's for sure.
Sambassador:Oh, you're talking about the runners. Yeah, yeah, the runners.
Mervin Vargas:Yes, yes, yes, yes, On the runners. Yeah, I was thinking about the floor. Joists, we're going to do some kind of metal thing in there too, to be able to wrap it.
Sambassador:Oh my word. I guess if you'd lay a piece of plate steel up in there, you wouldn't have to worry about pulling that floor end out.
Mervin Vargas:You ain't going to pulling that floor, end out you ain't gonna pull the floor.
Sambassador:End out, dude. That is that's crazy. That's just it's. It's crazy where this thing is. So I asked you this a couple years ago already. I'm like when are you gonna say no?
Mervin Vargas:I don't know. Uh, I think I. I tried a couple times already and it doesn't work. Nobody listens. Yeah, I got a call about 20 by 70 and I was like, well, it'll fit in the trailer, we can haul it, but I'm gonna have to go out there and check the site First and the route before we build this sucker 20 by 70.
Sambassador:You guys just started doing 20s, didn't you? They were 18s.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, they were 18s, now they're 20s and they're 21, almost 20, I mean 22 at ease, you know, depending on the cab, all that good stuff, yep. 22 at the eaves, you know, depending on the cab, all that good stuff, yep. So yeah, that 20 by 70, I have to go look at the site and the route there because, man, when you're doing turns, that tail is going to be way out there and some of the county roads in Texas, you know, you take the neighbor's fence out to be able to get it in, and all that good stuff. So, it's doable in the right areas, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Sambassador:So, I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit and I'm going to put a trailer company on the spot a little bit, because I talked to them at the expo and I'm trying to get them to get on board with sponsoring the podcast. So maybe this is the episode to do it, but how's your new Pine Hill trailer working out?
Mervin Vargas:Really good.
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Sambassador:They're kind of like Cardinal we have to work the bugs out of some stuff. We don't always get it right to start with, but at the end of the day they keep working at it.
Mervin Vargas:There's only one complaint that I have on it. At the expo, the new one they built, they already fixed the complaint that I have. Really, yes, why don't you do this on mine? Well, we learned it with yours.
Sambassador:That's part of being the forerunner.
Mervin Vargas:You gotta you know, you gotta get your legs but the, the fifth wheel, you know the part that comes down to the deck. Yep, they made a little bit too short. It's like four inches too short. So then, when it's hooked up to the trailer. It goes uphill from the axle to the front. It actually goes uphill. You follow, oh, I got you so they made that longer.
Sambassador:So now it's more of a level deck yeah, you're saying the bottom deck was running uphill. Yeah, and your upward piece didn't have. So I never, I didn't. I should have looked at yours closer. Do you have that new curved neck or do you have an actual mitered neck?
Mervin Vargas:No, it's a curved neck.
Sambassador:You do have a curved neck.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, we put the 55,000 pound cabin on there. We were watching that. That sucker just stayed, it didn't move.
Sambassador:It was impressive to watch that's, that's awesome and that triple. Do you have to? Do you have to load your cabins or do you have? Uh, does the shop where you pick up that do they load like? Do they have forklifts that help you load, or do you load them just like you were picking them up?
Mervin Vargas:we load them up, just like I said, pretty much we show up. Manufacturers try to set them the right way. You know where doors in your driver's side, because those cabins are like we did sheds back in 04. You know we turned the building the right way at the shop because you try to back in as much as possible, but they have its position right and we just back under it, scoop it back under the whole thing and just load her up with this no way.
Sambassador:Yeah, with this you literally back up under it, just like you do a regular shed yep so at some point you have that pivot point all the way on the top front of the building, sliding up that deck.
Mervin Vargas:Yes.
Sambassador:Obviously try to keep it as low to the deck as possible. Yes, yes, you need to get the Chet Geek guys to go out there and we need to do a whole video on loading one of those delivering it setting it up. That would be cool. We got to make that happen. I'd love to help with and see that happen. That would be cool.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, yeah we do, because it's very impressive to watch. You know, some of the cabins that are older trailer that we used. We would have to use forklifts in the corners and help and stuff.
Sambassador:To try to hold the weight up a little bit.
Mervin Vargas:Yes. Scoop under it. You bring it down, so the tail and everything picks it up. You put a block on the corner and you're back on the use a little bit more and then you just put it down and if you have WD-40 on that deck or something slick, you just back under it and up she goes, up something's slick and you're just back under it and up she goes, she goes.
Sambassador:Yeah, so I've, I've done fairly big sheds that away, and I know it sounds easy and we make it sound like it just slides right up there and it does. It does um, but you gotta, you gotta know where you're backing, you gotta be paying attention to being lined up um, you don't want to get your trailer too far out of level with the building or the one side high centers, and then it slides sideways. There's a lot of stuff going on.
Mervin Vargas:There's a lot of things going on that it's just not anybody that can do, in my opinion. You know, I wouldn't send anybody or the other guys yeah, jump in Nate's rig and go and do it, because, no, it took Nate and it took myself, and it took somebody like Adrian time and it some boo-boos to figure out. Oh shoot, I should have done this, oh shoot.
Mervin Vargas:You need to do this, you know.
Mervin Vargas:So, everything they're doing, and doing it for a reason, and, and, and, yeah, for a reason. That's why they stopped here and now they're checking and they're backing up again and all that good stuff. But yeah, it looks, if you're just sitting back and looking at it, it just looks like loading a normal shed.
Mervin Vargas:You know, a 12x24 on a, on a 32 sign, you know a lot of little things in play here that you got to watch because you can break the trailer or break the cabin On this trailer. You got to be doing something very crazy to break something. Yeah, that thing's a beast.
Sambassador:That thing is a beast. That's the one thing you know. Our industry is so blessed with trailer companies that are always willing to think out of the box. They're always willing to try something. Obviously, I have my favorites. I have the guys I hang out with more than other guys, but at the end of the day, you can take the top six easy top six trailer manufacturers and you could say that if you didn't have the other ones, you could learn to do business with those guys and you could.
Sambassador:You know what I'm, you know what I'm getting at. They're workable guys, um, they all have their traits. They all have their pet things. They do whatever. That's fine, um, I like it that way, but it's like we got good guys to support us um in what we're doing. That's correct. Yeah, I mean you. I know you run Myers trailers. You know WKM's starting to build some bigger stuff now too, um, scenic views always built monster stuff. You know um, James over there. You know, uh, I always get Hill and Creekside mixed up because they're both up there. I think he's Creekside. But they all, they all do. They all get it done. They get whatever we need to get done, and you know I mean in this case, you know I was a little leery right at first because Pine Hill's always been known to build the sleeker faster, more adapt trailer and I'm like he needs a tank, yeah, and you know they kept plugging at it until they got it right.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah yeah. And they built the first one. You know, first cabin. It happened what happened and they were right on it Bring it back. And then they didn't want to just patch that one and make it work. They're right. Nope, we're gonna scratch and do another one. So, yeah, it took two years to get the correct product, but I think it was very worth the wait yeah, that's good.
Sambassador:I'm glad to hear that that's. That's what's important. Um, Cardinal does the same thing. They keep getting better. They keep coming up with new stuff. I'm so glad that they're never happy with where they're at. They're always looking to improve on it. Talk to me a little bit about what you thought about. The Challenger New shed mover machine comes from guys that have been in the industry a long time Trailer guys. They weren't mule guys. They didn't know nothing about mules. They knew they were out there, but none of them have ever ran them or used them. Did I hear you say something about you used to? Steve is a brother to Marlon.
Mervin Vargas:Steve Stutz is a brother to those guys. I don't know those guys' names.
Sambassador:Marlon and Merle. I did not know that Steve was a brother to them.
Mervin Vargas:I didn't know either. Steve and I hauled the sheds together for four years or so.
Sambassador:That's cool. What did you think? We're talking about a prototype, something that's still fairly new. What was your whole opinion? I heard Caleb's a little bit and some of the other guys, but I haven't really heard from you.
Mervin Vargas:Well, I like the fact that there's competition for the mules and I think that you know, this is all the first ones and all that good stuff, but if they stick to it, it's going to be a good machine. Yeah, the one right now. You know, it seems to me because of the way I work, you know, I like to get the mule down. I want to go in there. I'm barely hooked up and I'm already in reverse, you know, yeah, yeah, this mule didn't seem to be that way. It seems like you go in there and now you gotta do this, you gotta do that. Okay, five minutes later, now I'm ready to pull yeah oh, and to me I'm, that gives me anxiety.
Mervin Vargas:You know, like I would have me, me and you both. I would have my building on a trailer by now with a Mule 4, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Mervin Vargas:But hey, they're trying and they're doing a heck of a job doing what they're doing, in my opinion, yeah, I was impressed that they well, I never did find out.
Sambassador:Was that a 16 by 40? What size was that shed?
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, 16 by 40.
Sambassador:Yeah, 16 by 40.
Mervin Vargas:It's just that big mule made it look small.
Sambassador:Yeah, yeah, um, but he literally took a prototype yes dead mover hooked to a 16 by 40 shed and moved it without having anything on the wall yes um, I would, I would like the.
Sambassador:I would like to visualize that thing, um, by the time they get it into production, and it might not happen the first year or two, but I would like to visualize that. You know how you one of the secrets to that thing is you got to position those outside plates on the side of your skids so it doesn't slide back and forth on your forks because you're not on the wall. I would like to see that to where that becomes like card noise. Now, you know we used to have to get off the mule and flip up the masts. Yes, yes.
Sambassador:You know the arms, and now you don't have to do that anymore. Well, you put them to a little outside thingamajig, it's whatever they're called guides. You put those on hydraulics. So, when you're coming up to the shed, you've got them extended out. You hook to the shed and smack there ain't against.
Mervin Vargas:Yep.
Sambassador:And I'm with you, I get, I get the anxiety. So, here's, here's the other thing. And I had a conversation with Merle about this and I want to just go on the record vocally and man, it's perfect that we get to do it on this episode. On this episode, the other thing that we did is we took a first class driver Cardinal didn't run that mule. They put a first class shed hauler on that thing and told him to tear it up.
Sambassador:You follow me, merle doesn't have the luxury of doing that. Nobody knows how to run his machine anyway. Yeah, so he's, and he can't afford to have somebody on it and tear something up that they're not comfortable tearing up. Yet and he's not a shed hauler, he's a sales guy. But the fact that he got that, he, he was willing to try it. You know he was supposed to move the little shed. He said, no, I'll try it, I'll try to move the little shed. He said no, I'll try it, I'll try to move the big one.
Sambassador:And the fact that they were willing to try, they were willing to see what they needed to do, or whatever. And, by the way, that's not their latest prototype. The latest prototype would have done. It would have had some things done different, in the fact that it won't let the mast hit the building at all. It has a sensor on there. It back hydraulically. It knows how to adjust itself better. Um, but my hat was off to him in the fact that he wouldn't use that machine because it's sold to somebody. Oh, okay, he's like, I'm not going to put ours on a machine that's not mine anymore. Um, the guys the guy's nice enough to let him show it, take it out and show it and kind of show what it does. Um, so I I'm with you. I think they fit this industry well. They're good, humble guys. They're wanting to help with something. Um, they're willing, they're up to the challenge of doing whatever it takes to make it work.
Mervin Vargas:I think it's pretty cool that is very cool and I'm looking forward to what we're looking at, you know, two or three years from now yeah, yeah like they're probably gonna have some nice machines by then I.
Sambassador:I still want somebody to make me a spider that literally just crawls up underneath the shed and takes off with it. It's like somebody's got to figure out how to do this.
Sambassador:I'm not sure where the motor goes, but I I want it to just fly up underneath the shed and you know if you have to tilt it a little bit, that's fine. And then when it's sitting on top of the under the shed, in the middle of the shed, you know if it's two feet off the ground for clearance or everything. But it's basically a robo trailer that just runs around on its own. That's up underneath the whole shed. I still want to see somebody do that. I think that'd be cool. That would be cool. So maybe me and you need to work on that one day in our spare time.
Sambassador:Yeah, oh, boy whenever that comes around. Yeah, so where do you see? How do you feel about the shed industry right now, not just the hauling side, but the shed industry overall? How do you feel about it coming off of the high sales COVID years to a little more standard now? In fact, we're in an election year this year. You know how that is. It's actually a little bit slower. What's your overall feel and view of where we're at in the shed industry right now?
Mervin Vargas:Man, you're asking the wrong guy.
Sambassador:I'm asking you.
Mervin Vargas:Because my view is that, if you know, after elections are over with, it's going to boom why I don't know, but that's how I think it's going to be.
Sambassador:Well, we've seen that before, yeah, well we've seen that before.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, yeah, we've seen that before. Like I was telling you, yesterday we were covered up. This is the weird thing. We were so covered up up to about two weeks ago, being busy, busy, busy, needing three or four more trucks to make everything happen. To literally let's park four trucks this week. Yeah, yep, you know what I mean. You catch up quick. That there kind of confuses me or makes me wonder okay, what's going to happen? But you know, history shows that after elections and all that good stuff, it's going to get crazy.
Sambassador:Yeah, it does. How many sheds go. This is kind of hard. You probably don't know the dollar amount of what you move a week. Maybe you do, but how many sheds are you moving a week and how many of those are cabins?
Mervin Vargas:Three weeks ago we had a driver's meeting on Tuesday. The week before we moved 180 sheds. That's just sheds, cabins. I would say one a day, so 10-ish.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Mervin Vargas:Something like that A week.
Sambassador:A hundred and what?
Mervin Vargas:180.
Sambassador:180 sheds in one week. Yeah, but that number there's no wonder you're out of work.
Mervin Vargas:I think one week was 240, I think has been our record and I've been trying to break that 240 sheds in one week.
Sambassador:And remember, we're not talking about 10x12s anymore. Does Texas even offer 10x12s anymore?
Mervin Vargas:Every now and then we put them in the back of a pickup and run. I mean no. I'm kidding.
Mervin Vargas:They are.
Mervin Vargas:I mean they're building. Every company is now doing these metro sheds. You know they're six by eight with the one, oh yes. Yeah, and those are actually surprisingly picking up. But there are a lot of 10 by 12, 8 by 10s.
Mervin Vargas:But, depending on the area. You know there's area south Texas that sells 12 by 40s, like selling 10 by 16s in other areas. You know it's 12 by 40 and uh, but then the other area you know 16 by 40s or 10 by 16s or 10 by 20s is another hot seller. So, yeah, it's a combination of everything is another hot seller. So, yeah, it's a combination of everything. That's cool. And then mileage yeah, mileage varies from $1,500 to $2,200 a week Per rig. Per rig.
Sambassador:Yeah, that's crazy, Dude. That is a pile of sheds in a week. It is that's crazy. That is a pile of sheds in a week. It is that's crazy, man, and you want to break 240?
Mervin Vargas:I want to break 240 and I know we can.
Sambassador:Oh yeah, you'll get it done in one of these weeks.
Mervin Vargas:I'm sure you will every week is something you know. Either one truck is down due to maintenance, or the driver is taking off, or it rained in this area. And if it wasn't because of that, either one truck is down due to maintenance or the driver's taking off, or it rained in this area, and if it wasn't because of that, we would have made it 240, you know, and so on. Yeah, yeah. So, do you have a total for the year? No, I don't, not without adding stuff up.
Sambassador:Yeah, I'm curious how many you've moved for the year, because that's that, that number is mind-blowing, that's crazy. So did you? Do you remember what it was last year?
Mervin Vargas:no, I don't not without having going and looking at it yeah, you need to find that out.
Sambassador:I'd love to know what your number is like actually probably even more than last year Well, no, last year or 2022, what your number was when it was really crazy.
Mervin Vargas:It was really crazy yeah.
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Sambassador:And you still. I guess you still got quite a few. What's your percentage of leased guys versus company guys? You carry both, don't you?
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, I carry both, and every time they ask me I have to do this number. Saturday it was six, it's six contractors, and then I got 10 trucks on my own 10 and six, so you're about 40.
Sambassador:I think that's about 40, 60, probably something like that. Yeah, about two-thirds yeah.
Mervin Vargas:And we have other contractors that we lean on when we're super busy. So, we got some that, like in West Texas, we got two Around here, we got one that I can think of right now, but we got a couple that when we're super busy then we're tapping on them to help. Yeah, I got you. That makes sense. Then we're tapping on them to help. Yeah, I got you.
Sambassador:That makes sense. Any, any I don't. Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot, but have you ever had a preference as to whether, like if you could go all one way or the other, do you prefer to have your own trucks? Do you like having?
Mervin Vargas:owner operators. I like having owner operators and I like having my own, and they both have their headaches.
Sambassador:But you're doing what you feel is the best way to do it. To have both, yes, yeah.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah.
Sambassador:Yeah, what do you? What do you tell? What do you tell manufacturers that are looking for haulers? Let's say, I call you up and I tell you look, I'm going to build 500 sheds a year. Should I set myself up to do my own hauling or should I hire that out to somebody? What's your advice to somebody?
Mervin Vargas:What do you think?
Sambassador:We'll get you to haul them.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, but if they ask me, we like to do it in-house, then you know, it's always that pattern that, yeah, you have more control, but it seems like there's always a headache on the deal of manufacturing has issues. So then focus on the manufacturing issue, then neglect the transportation part and then, oh shoot, transportation is having issues and now they go to transportation and they neglect the manufacturing part of it. I still haven't found some that well. I'm pretty sure they're out there, but I don't know them that have both of them running smoothly.
Sambassador:Does that make?
Mervin Vargas:sense.
Sambassador:I know one company out of hundreds of companies that I know. I know one company that does it well company that does it.
Mervin Vargas:well, what I try to tell them is let me take your headache of the transportation and you focus on building, you focus on manufacturing, and then, when the conversations start about how you're going to take care of me, all that good stuff. And so that's when serious conversations start and that's when agreements and all that good stuff. You know, if you do this, this and this, I'm all in. Like, okay, I can make that work.
Mervin Vargas:Like, oh my, oh man, that's, that's impossible, I can't make that work, yeah, and when they decide whether they go or not, on big, big, big manufacturers, you know they deal with, uh, sales reps, and so I got a couple sales reps that like the idea of dealing with one guy versus 15. So, every time that he has some issues, you know, in some area I like it because his first phone call is me, you know. So, if he's having an issue with the driver, he just tells the driver, hey, sorry, you and I not working no longer, and he just calls me because, yep, he knows that he's going to deal with only me, but he has 16 trucks at his yes yep, he can count on yep.
Mervin Vargas:So that's kind of like, I guess my selling point. You're going to, you're going to say, but then it puts. It puts a lot of pressure on our end because everybody wants it different and so it's my responsibility to make sure I'm serving my customer Right. So then we do it this way for this company. But hang on, this company we can't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Mervin Vargas:That was the agreement. So, it makes it a little sometimes and, like for one company, we used a new driver, used a different happy sheet and was sent in. So, you know how that good can go down oh yeah, oh boy you know that's, that's fully screw up on our end yep, yep.
Sambassador:Well, I know, I know you're. I think one of your biggest weapons, you're, one of your biggest tools that you use personally is you're always willing to go meet them where they're at and then work back from there. Um, if somebody asks me you know what makes more Mervin Vargas successful on the hauling side? Um, it's because I've seen you go meet them where they're at and you listen and you're like okay, we'll try that. I don't think it'll work, but I'm up to try anything and people are quicker to listen to somebody when they know they're being listened to. That's just a fact of life. If we'd get used to dealing with that more, um, it's, it just works better and you do very well at communicating that away. So, I think that's, I think that's good for you. Keep that. I don't care how big you get, always the, the ability you have to do that's huge.
Sambassador:Um, you've got a crazy good team that works with you and for you, um, Bill and Travis and all them guys. Even when you lose a guy, it's like you just pick up two more. Yeah, I'm like remember I told you got the little. You got the whole little shed hauler factory going on out there and you just keep cranking these guys out. Adrian's little brother shows up. I'm like like who's this dude? Yeah, and you know, I remember when Adrian was brand hammer new. Now he's one of your top dogs. I'm guessing he sure is. I don't guess anybody's going to knock.
Mervin Vargas:Nate off his pin, but it's oh, shoot yeah.
Sambassador:You need to hear that. Yeah, man, you got killer dudes running out there. I love just sitting there and watching all those guys work together, hang out together. You have a knack at drawing guys together and building a team. You do extremely well at that. So, shout out to you and to your guys that you're able to pull guys that keep. Even the guys that leave you seem to still like you. Yeah, that's always a Where's Kyle? What happened to Kyle? My man, Kyle, is gone again.
Sambassador:He's hauling eggs or he's doing a reefer, he's back on and he's doing that again, Kyle, wherever you're at out there in reefer land, you can't be a prodigal son. But so many times. We're going to run out of fatted calves to kill. I love that dude. Miss seeing him around this time. He's a good dude. Yeah he is, he's a good dude.
Mervin Vargas:Yeah, he is.
Sambassador:Yeah, he's good too, yep. But yeah, make no mistake about it, I can. Nate Detweiler does not get near enough shout-outs does not get near enough. The dude just goes and gets the job done. He doesn't talk a whole lot. You don't hear much out of him. I mean no offense to the rest of your guys, they don't either, but you've got the ability to get guys to do incredible work and they don't make much fuss about it. It's good. I think that helps you a lot. What do you want to tell the shed industry? This is your chance. How do they get a hold of you? Are you looking for more work? How does somebody get a hold of you? What do you want to put out there for them?
Mervin Vargas:To get a hold of me. It's either through Facebook or my number. They can always call you and get my number or I can put it somewhere. Email is very simple. It's Merv at UnitedShedTransport. com. My goal is to be on all over the states. But, yeah, I mean it's don't expect. Don't call me and expect me to have a rig in your area tomorrow. You know that takes time, that's a problem. I ran in with some of them. They would call, hey, I want a rig in your area tomorrow. You know that. That. Yeah, that takes time and that's the problem. I ran in with some of them. They'll call, hey, I want a rig in Alabama. Like, okay, when? Uh, can you have their Monday? I'm like, wait a minute. I don't know if I can make that happen because you know I have to hire a driver, you have to get a rig and all that good stuff you know to make it happen yeah so that's.
Mervin Vargas:You know, something that I'm working towards is being able to, when somebody calls me and okay, go, you know, this is what we're going to do. We're going to send this rig out there. Okay, get Travis, you know, go on. Indeed, let's find a driver, let's train them and let's put them out there.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Mervin Vargas:So on. Uh, cool, yeah, and uh, you can reach me wherever and how, however you like, like Facebook phone numbers or whatever.
Sambassador:Yeah. You want your phone number out there.
Mervin Vargas:I don't care.
Sambassador:Yeah, give, give it to them.
Mervin Vargas:Like 817-240-2062. Yeah, right now we could go anywhere tomorrow yeah that's right now. You know, somebody calls me right now and says, hey, I need a truck in Georgia. I would send that to you.
Sambassador:Get one there pretty quick.
Mervin Vargas:I can get that one pretty quick.
Sambassador:That's cool. Well, dude, you'll never know how much I appreciate you. You've always been a huge supporter of the Brotherhood. You're a supporter of the Bash, the Barbecues. You're probably the most quiet in-your quiet in your face, always available dude, that I know of and much appreciate that for you. You got a beautiful family. I love hanging out with y'all. Um, I had my family along this time so I didn't get to hang out as much as I normally do and want to. But, um, we're kind of stressed out right now. We moved one of our daughters out of the house and it's a little bit. The female levels are a little high around here these days, but we're getting through it, but it is. It's always an honor and a pleasure to hang out with you, to talk with you, to have you like. I got your number on my phone and I know if I ever need anything I can call you. That's huge. It means a lot to me.
Mervin Vargas:I'm always here, Like you said. I'm not out there trying to get attention or anything. I like to stay in the background.
Sambassador:You're always around, man, you show up, you do.
Mervin Vargas:If there's anything that I can do and I'm able man, I'll be all over it, yep cool.
Sambassador:Well, thank you, man, I appreciate you much. Can't wait to get you back on here with Caleb and Carl. We'll talk about the barbecue. We'll talk about where the bash, what we're doing with that next time. That's gonna be fun, man. I'm excited about that. Um, all you other guys out there, thanks for jumping in today. Thanks for listening to us.
Sambassador:Shed Geek Podcast Fridays that's where it's at the fun days you got to listen to Fridays. And for all you companies out there, I don't say this a whole lot, but if you're looking for a place to advertise, we have advertisement stuff available. I tell people all the time To advertise. We have advertisement stuff available. I tell people all the time that you can advertise in the newspaper, you can advertise on Facebook or whatever, but verbal in the industry you can't find anything better than what Shannon's got going on with Shed Geek. We can explain your product, we can talk about it. I've got new guys coming on board in the next month that I'm excited about. Can't talk about them yet, but we got more advertisers coming on board. It's going to be great. Thank you, Mervin, appreciate you much, until next time. This is Sam the Sambassador with Shed Geek. We'll see you guys later.