Episode # 88/ Jen's Journey!

 A look into the life of a female Sasquatch enthusiast who found a way to give back to the community that she has become a part of over the years. 

Transcript

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 Thank you.
 
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 Howdy, folks.
 
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 The gremlins are howling tonight.
 
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 You wouldn't believe the
 
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 mayhem going on backstage.
 
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 And anyway, good afternoon.
 
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 Good Sunday afternoon to all of you.
 
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 As usual, we got a regular crew on board.
 
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 Mr. Thomas Steenberg.
 
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 And also Mr. Bill Reed.
 
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 Trust me, he's behind that target.
 
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 And Leon is not here tonight,
 
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 but we do have a question to ask.
 
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 I don't even know if he could answer it.
 
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 And that's what makes a
 
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 Sasquatch researcher tick,
 
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 especially a female researcher,
 
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 or for that matter,
 
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 even a Sasquatch enthusiast.
 
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 I mean,
 
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 you're dealing with a muscular
 
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 human-like creature which
 
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 could rip off your head
 
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 with little effort.
 
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 So, you know,
 
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 I don't know what the
 
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 fascination is for the ladies with that,
 
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 but you know, I mean,
 
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 you don't see many toddlers
 
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 walking around with stuff,
 
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 Sasquatch or Yeti under their arm.
 
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 So, you know, what would, uh, well, uh,
 
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 Bigfoot Barbie, no Bigfoot Barbies.
 
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 And so, uh, what went wrong with, uh,
 
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 with these women to make
 
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 them interested in this subject?
 
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 Well,
 
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 we just so happen to have a person
 
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 who may have some answers,
 
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 and that's our friend
 
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 Jennifer Watkins from Ohio.
 
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 Hello, Jennifer.
 
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 Come on from backstage.
 
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 There she is.
 
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 Good-looking gal.
 
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 Now, so tell me, Jen,
 
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 did you build monsters?
 
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 as a kid monster models or
 
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 are you a horror movie fan or what, what,
 
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 what leaned you towards this?
 
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 Um, honestly, I saw like a, you know,
 
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 the PG film and I saw some
 
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 other documentaries when I
 
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 was younger and it intrigued me as to,
 
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 could that be real?
 
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 the pg film actually made me
 
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 say that looks like a real
 
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 thing and it um yeah it
 
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 piqued my interest in
 
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 living and growing up in
 
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 pennsylvania and the woods
 
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 and what's out there you
 
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 know yeah but I mean were
 
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 your girlfriends into this
 
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 also no what did your
 
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 family think of your interest even today
 
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 uh that I'm nuts oh well
 
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 yeah I can identify with
 
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 that why you know they're
 
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 they're my mother's come
 
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 around to looking at some
 
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 things and going well okay
 
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 maybe something like that
 
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 could be out there still I
 
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 will she's like I think
 
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 you're nuts for wanting to
 
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 go find one but
 
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 Yeah,
 
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 I'm in a big boat with a lot of other
 
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 nuts, so, you know.
 
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 Oh, well, that's for certain.
 
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 That's for certain, yeah.
 
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 What do you think?
 
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 Are women different from men
 
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 when it comes out to going
 
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 out into the woods or going
 
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 on an expedition or whatever?
 
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 I mean,
 
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 do they contribute different things
 
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 from each other?
 
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 I think so.
 
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 I think.
 
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 You hear some that say all
 
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 women have a calming effect
 
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 on Bigfoot and stuff like that.
 
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 Do you think there's any
 
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 more of a chance of women
 
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 being better to communicate
 
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 with a creature like this than, say,
 
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 a male would?
 
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 Possibly.
 
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 I mean, I think women are not as imposing.
 
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 as men can be.
 
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 I think we might come at it
 
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 a little more in a more of
 
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 a nurturing feeling than, you know,
 
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 being associated with, you know,
 
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 being hunters.
 
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 Yeah, the women,
 
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 the women that are women
 
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 that to your way of
 
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 thinking are women more in?
 
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 What's the word?
 
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 inclined to be more
 
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 observant than males women
 
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 are the hunter the
 
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 gatherers where males are
 
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 hunter gatherers now one
 
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 would think that would make
 
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 the male more of a
 
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 candidate because uh
 
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 because being a hunter he'd
 
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 have a very sharp eye for
 
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 being navigating around the
 
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 woods but then
 
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 A woman being a gatherer got
 
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 a pretty sharp eye to the
 
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 lay of the land and what
 
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 grows on it and what looks
 
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 odd and what looks out of place.
 
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 They got two different
 
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 qualities about them.
 
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 Yeah, I think so.
 
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 I think women would also
 
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 tend to be a little less
 
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 aggressive in the situation.
 
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 yeah yeah I can get that and
 
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 then you know I i think if
 
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 you come up against a a
 
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 grumpy animal of some sort
 
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 you know it's if you're
 
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 gonna be aggressive back do
 
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 you escalate it or can you
 
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 remain calm and kind of
 
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 bring it down a little bit
 
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 well this is true although
 
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 both sexes are quite
 
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 capable of turning and running
 
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 Oh, absolutely.
 
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 Without any discussion in the matter.
 
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 Just run.
 
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 Run.
 
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 Yep.
 
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 Absolutely.
 
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 I just want to say hello to
 
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 Sharon in the audience.
 
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 Sasquatch Wizard at Arandax.
 
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 How are you doing, Jonathan?
 
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 Raptor crazy.
 
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 Okay.
 
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 I saw some camaraderie on the trail,
 
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 which is something that I
 
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 love about this subject.
 
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 What is it that you get from the subject,
 
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 Jen?
 
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 Oh, actually, that is it.
 
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 I've made a lot of great friends.
 
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 You know,
 
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 people that have common interests,
 
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 don't always agree, but, you know,
 
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 built friendship and might
 
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 not agree on the some of
 
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 the ways we look at things,
 
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 but we can still talk about it.
 
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 And still weigh this against
 
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 that and find common grounds.
 
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 And, you know,
 
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 A lot of just really fun,
 
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 interesting people.
 
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 Well, oddly enough, as the years go by,
 
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 I think you sort of find
 
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 that you're surrounded with
 
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 only those people with an
 
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 interest in Bigfoot or Sasquatch.
 
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 Others are very close friends.
 
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 Your other friends have sort
 
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 of drifted away, you know, and said, oh,
 
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 good luck with that.
 
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 I've got my core group that
 
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 have been there forever,
 
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 and they're going to be there.
 
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 Do they want to go do this?
 
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 No.
 
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 But...
 
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 We have, you know,
 
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 our interests from outside
 
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 of the subject that we're still, you know,
 
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 we're good.
 
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 Well, yeah.
 
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 I must admit,
 
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 whenever I get together with
 
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 Thomas or Bill or Leon,
 
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 we don't really talk about Sasquatch.
 
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 You talk about everything else going on,
 
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 you know,
 
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 but you don't talk about Sasquatch.
 
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 It's almost like, uh,
 
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 this is a breather space.
 
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 Okay.
 
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 No Squatch talk.
 
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 Right.
 
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 So what's the best time you
 
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 ever had in the field?
 
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 What's the one time you said, boy,
 
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 that was a blast.
 
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 Oh,
 
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 I'd have to say the Washington trip was
 
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 great.
 
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 Um, up to the Mount St.
 
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 Helen.
 
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 um yeah we'll talk about
 
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 that later yeah yeah
 
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 honestly any time's a good
 
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 time you know you're out
 
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 with your friends you're
 
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 getting to share an
 
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 experience you're getting
 
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 to enjoy the woods nothing
 
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 wrong with any of that so
 
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 so how would you pay how
 
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 would you peg yourself are
 
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 you um are you more of a
 
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 researcher than an
 
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 investigator or are you
 
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 more of an enthusiast than you are and
 
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 a researcher,
 
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 if someone had the pigeon hole in you.
 
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 I lean more towards
 
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 enthusiast investigator.
 
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 I like being out there and
 
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 looking for footprints.
 
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 I like hearing the sound in
 
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 the night and then
 
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 everybody kind of huddles up and,
 
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 what was that?
 
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 I enjoyed that part of it.
 
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 I don't really consider myself, you know,
 
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 I don't go out there with a
 
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 bunch of gear.
 
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 I'm not going to be the one
 
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 that's going to come back
 
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 with the film footage.
 
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 I'm doing it for myself.
 
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 Yeah.
 
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 Have you ever done an
 
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 interview or anything like
 
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 that out in the field?
 
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 Like interview a witness?
 
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 Yeah.
 
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 Yeah.
 
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 No, I mean,
 
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 people have talked about what
 
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 has happened and I'll ask questions,
 
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 but it's not something that
 
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 I'm going to document or
 
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 anything like that.
 
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 It's more of a, you know, a conversation.
 
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 And if it's, you know,
 
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 if they sound logical and
 
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 reasonable and realistic, you know,
 
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 great.
 
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 If it sounds way out there,
 
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 I'm still going to listen to them.
 
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 but I'm not going to but you
 
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 have your own you have your
 
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 own yeah take much out of
 
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 it yeah yeah but you know
 
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 you still have your own bar
 
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 credulity like uh you know
 
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 I mean you're uh you uh do
 
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 retain some skepticism yeah
 
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 I think there's a lot of um
 
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 I think, you know,
 
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 there's the Bigfoot
 
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 phenomena and then there's other things.
 
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 And sometimes those things
 
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 can overlap in somebody's area.
 
 00:12:18.833 --> 00:12:19.693
 And then it just all gets
 
 00:12:19.734 --> 00:12:20.634
 lumped in one big pile.
 
 00:12:21.635 --> 00:12:22.916
 And it's not.
 
 00:12:23.136 --> 00:12:24.216
 It's not the same things.
 
 00:12:24.277 --> 00:12:25.217
 They're different.
 
 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:26.739
 This is this.
 
 00:12:26.818 --> 00:12:27.419
 That is that.
 
 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:28.179
 Those are those.
 
 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:30.782
 And, you know,
 
 00:12:31.022 --> 00:12:33.464
 it can't just all be put in
 
 00:12:33.484 --> 00:12:35.105
 that one bowl and it's all one thing.
 
 00:12:36.488 --> 00:12:37.948
 It's a complicated, yeah,
 
 00:12:38.028 --> 00:12:39.629
 it's a complicated subject.
 
 00:12:40.690 --> 00:12:43.931
 And you've got the Yeah,
 
 00:12:44.010 --> 00:12:45.511
 many different stances to
 
 00:12:45.552 --> 00:12:48.072
 take on it to tell me,
 
 00:12:48.552 --> 00:12:50.573
 tell me about your journey to Mount St.
 
 00:12:50.594 --> 00:12:51.053
 Helens.
 
 00:12:51.134 --> 00:12:52.033
 What was that like?
 
 00:12:53.735 --> 00:12:55.135
 I've never been there before.
 
 00:12:55.816 --> 00:12:56.916
 No, I had not.
 
 00:12:58.256 --> 00:13:01.278
 Um, first and foremost, for me,
 
 00:13:01.298 --> 00:13:03.859
 it was more just the
 
 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:04.940
 fellowship of getting to
 
 00:13:06.126 --> 00:13:06.486
 you know,
 
 00:13:07.508 --> 00:13:09.048
 get to hug Nikki and get to meet
 
 00:13:09.107 --> 00:13:10.729
 Thomas and get to meet Brent.
 
 00:13:10.828 --> 00:13:11.229
 And, you know,
 
 00:13:11.769 --> 00:13:13.509
 that's more what it was for me.
 
 00:13:13.529 --> 00:13:16.171
 It was more about these
 
 00:13:16.211 --> 00:13:17.932
 people that I've seen and
 
 00:13:18.011 --> 00:13:19.972
 talked to and been around, you know,
 
 00:13:19.993 --> 00:13:21.153
 I'm done a show with here
 
 00:13:21.173 --> 00:13:23.073
 or there and actually
 
 00:13:23.114 --> 00:13:25.815
 getting to give them a hug
 
 00:13:25.894 --> 00:13:27.576
 and hang out and talk to them.
 
 00:13:27.596 --> 00:13:29.657
 That's the majority of it for me.
 
 00:13:31.337 --> 00:13:33.357
 Then the big footing part of it.
 
 00:13:33.658 --> 00:13:33.899
 Yep.
 
 00:13:33.938 --> 00:13:34.418
 There she is.
 
 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.399
 The masters of disasters.
 
 00:13:43.042 --> 00:13:43.623
 But, you know,
 
 00:13:43.682 --> 00:13:48.225
 getting to do that and then seeing,
 
 00:13:48.307 --> 00:13:48.687
 you know.
 
 00:13:49.307 --> 00:13:51.649
 Don't you think it's pretty cool,
 
 00:13:51.708 --> 00:13:51.969
 isn't it?
 
 00:13:52.009 --> 00:13:52.809
 You get to meet these
 
 00:13:52.870 --> 00:13:54.010
 characters that you've only
 
 00:13:54.071 --> 00:13:56.552
 spoken to on video and you
 
 00:13:56.572 --> 00:13:58.114
 get to meet them face to face.
 
 00:13:58.313 --> 00:14:00.035
 And yeah, I mean,
 
 00:14:00.056 --> 00:14:01.456
 like we got Andrew there
 
 00:14:01.657 --> 00:14:02.798
 and is that his wife?
 
 00:14:05.706 --> 00:14:06.748
 Yes.
 
 00:14:08.207 --> 00:14:08.548
 Yes.
 
 00:14:13.629 --> 00:14:14.470
 Lady of leisure.
 
 00:14:14.690 --> 00:14:15.049
 Okay.
 
 00:14:18.490 --> 00:14:19.390
 Eating good barbecue.
 
 00:14:21.052 --> 00:14:21.831
 Group photo.
 
 00:14:21.932 --> 00:14:24.653
 Usual suspects.
 
 00:14:25.013 --> 00:14:26.813
 Thomas from left to right.
 
 00:14:26.854 --> 00:14:28.073
 Who are we looking at here?
 
 00:14:28.094 --> 00:14:31.955
 I have a nice idea.
 
 00:14:38.235 --> 00:14:40.775
 oh wow okay we got dakota
 
 00:14:41.176 --> 00:14:44.277
 and papa c and nana and
 
 00:14:44.376 --> 00:14:46.537
 michael and me and brent
 
 00:14:47.557 --> 00:14:50.258
 yeah and steve and his wife
 
 00:14:50.357 --> 00:14:52.558
 and then some thomas guy
 
 00:14:52.778 --> 00:14:56.519
 yeah he just moved around
 
 00:14:56.538 --> 00:14:58.179
 for the food that's all he
 
 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:59.600
 just wandered into the camp
 
 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.221
 is that brent over his
 
 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:02.660
 shoulder or is it brent
 
 00:15:02.701 --> 00:15:04.000
 yeah I believe that's brent
 
 00:15:04.081 --> 00:15:04.701
 and then the other
 
 00:15:04.760 --> 00:15:05.701
 gentleman on the other end
 
 00:15:05.721 --> 00:15:06.522
 might have been dakota
 
 00:15:07.414 --> 00:15:08.495
 michael and that's michael
 
 00:15:09.015 --> 00:15:10.638
 yeah brent's behind thomas
 
 00:15:10.857 --> 00:15:11.719
 yeah well that's just sort
 
 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.341
 of at the far left isn't it
 
 00:15:17.302 --> 00:15:18.504
 looking at it from my angle
 
 00:15:18.644 --> 00:15:20.225
 I think dakota is far left
 
 00:15:20.285 --> 00:15:21.386
 and brent is right behind
 
 00:15:21.427 --> 00:15:23.587
 you yeah that's right he's
 
 00:15:23.648 --> 00:15:24.989
 right between you and nikki
 
 00:15:26.510 --> 00:15:31.394
 okay what are the dog's names oh um
 
 00:15:33.610 --> 00:15:36.149
 Sibylla and I don't remember
 
 00:15:36.169 --> 00:15:37.291
 the Golden's name.
 
 00:15:38.551 --> 00:15:39.890
 The German Shepherd is Sibylla.
 
 00:15:39.910 --> 00:15:45.392
 I don't remember the other one.
 
 00:15:47.471 --> 00:15:50.613
 Thomas, what was your trip to Mount St.
 
 00:15:50.653 --> 00:15:51.533
 Helens like?
 
 00:15:51.972 --> 00:15:52.653
 Well, first of all,
 
 00:15:52.673 --> 00:15:54.193
 I'd like to probably ask Jen.
 
 00:15:54.254 --> 00:15:54.494
 Jen,
 
 00:15:54.514 --> 00:15:58.214
 you started off in Pennsylvania and
 
 00:15:58.254 --> 00:15:59.375
 now you're in Ohio.
 
 00:16:00.095 --> 00:16:00.355
 Right.
 
 00:16:01.274 --> 00:16:01.575
 Okay.
 
 00:16:02.042 --> 00:16:02.201
 Now,
 
 00:16:02.902 --> 00:16:05.062
 what time period was it that you started?
 
 00:16:05.163 --> 00:16:06.403
 Are we talking about the 90s,
 
 00:16:06.423 --> 00:16:07.803
 the early 2000s?
 
 00:16:12.945 --> 00:16:16.566
 Probably late 90s or early 2000s.
 
 00:16:17.306 --> 00:16:18.027
 Okay.
 
 00:16:18.067 --> 00:16:19.386
 Did you have any contact
 
 00:16:19.447 --> 00:16:20.667
 with Don Keating and
 
 00:16:20.706 --> 00:16:21.888
 researchers out around your
 
 00:16:21.988 --> 00:16:22.868
 area at the time?
 
 00:16:23.788 --> 00:16:25.328
 No, no, no.
 
 00:16:28.626 --> 00:16:29.027
 Really,
 
 00:16:29.427 --> 00:16:30.847
 I found people who were interested
 
 00:16:30.888 --> 00:16:31.488
 in the subject,
 
 00:16:31.548 --> 00:16:34.470
 and we'd go weekend warrior
 
 00:16:34.870 --> 00:16:36.910
 camping and stuff like that.
 
 00:16:37.532 --> 00:16:41.913
 It wasn't so much as looking
 
 00:16:42.053 --> 00:16:46.615
 for any leader in the field
 
 00:16:46.655 --> 00:16:48.956
 type of person to get information from.
 
 00:16:49.017 --> 00:16:54.120
 It was just kind of a wild
 
 00:16:54.379 --> 00:16:55.419
 run out there and see what
 
 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:56.500
 the heck happens type of deal.
 
 00:16:57.014 --> 00:16:58.033
 So you never attended any of
 
 00:16:58.053 --> 00:16:59.134
 the conferences or anything
 
 00:16:59.174 --> 00:17:00.195
 that were held out that way
 
 00:17:00.274 --> 00:17:01.015
 or anything like that?
 
 00:17:01.035 --> 00:17:01.135
 Nope.
 
 00:17:01.375 --> 00:17:02.296
 Never went to a one.
 
 00:17:02.495 --> 00:17:02.655
 Um,
 
 00:17:02.697 --> 00:17:04.717
 my first conference as actually last
 
 00:17:04.737 --> 00:17:04.978
 year.
 
 00:17:05.597 --> 00:17:06.038
 Okay.
 
 00:17:06.057 --> 00:17:07.038
 So when you started getting
 
 00:17:07.057 --> 00:17:08.419
 an interest in the subject
 
 00:17:08.538 --> 00:17:09.318
 being where you were in
 
 00:17:09.358 --> 00:17:10.319
 Pennsylvania at the time,
 
 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:12.941
 was it local stuff you were hearing about,
 
 00:17:12.980 --> 00:17:14.201
 or were you generally under
 
 00:17:14.221 --> 00:17:15.241
 the opinion that the
 
 00:17:15.301 --> 00:17:17.623
 Sasquatch was a Pacific Northwest?
 
 00:17:20.084 --> 00:17:26.446
 Um, there, I would look up, um, you know,
 
 00:17:27.954 --> 00:17:29.796
 Are there Bigfoot reports in
 
 00:17:30.757 --> 00:17:33.018
 the Wolfsbury Scranton area?
 
 00:17:34.719 --> 00:17:35.960
 Because that was the general
 
 00:17:36.019 --> 00:17:36.819
 area I was living.
 
 00:17:38.161 --> 00:17:39.342
 And I would find, you know,
 
 00:17:39.382 --> 00:17:40.603
 bits and pieces here or there.
 
 00:17:44.164 --> 00:17:45.125
 So I wasn't under the
 
 00:17:45.164 --> 00:17:46.865
 impression that it was just a Northwest,
 
 00:17:47.787 --> 00:17:49.688
 a Pacific Northwest thing.
 
 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:54.270
 In looking around, just...
 
 00:17:55.224 --> 00:17:56.365
 where are big fits found?
 
 00:17:56.404 --> 00:17:57.266
 Where are they seen?
 
 00:17:57.346 --> 00:17:58.205
 What, you know,
 
 00:17:58.746 --> 00:18:00.026
 and you see reports from
 
 00:18:00.066 --> 00:18:00.747
 all over the place.
 
 00:18:01.386 --> 00:18:03.748
 So it was never to me that it was,
 
 00:18:04.768 --> 00:18:05.667
 they just live in
 
 00:18:05.728 --> 00:18:07.249
 Washington and Oregon and that's it.
 
 00:18:07.669 --> 00:18:09.509
 That's the only place I,
 
 00:18:10.789 --> 00:18:14.951
 but I came into this, you know, later.
 
 00:18:15.891 --> 00:18:19.291
 So I didn't come into it going, okay,
 
 00:18:19.311 --> 00:18:20.772
 well there was that one on
 
 00:18:20.813 --> 00:18:22.292
 that film and then that's it.
 
 00:18:24.673 --> 00:18:24.753
 Um,
 
 00:18:26.146 --> 00:18:27.347
 I kind of, you know,
 
 00:18:27.367 --> 00:18:29.828
 a little more reasoning to it and said,
 
 00:18:29.949 --> 00:18:32.490
 all right, well, if there's one,
 
 00:18:32.550 --> 00:18:33.392
 maybe there's more.
 
 00:18:34.271 --> 00:18:37.753
 Start, you know, looking about reports.
 
 00:18:37.854 --> 00:18:40.096
 And then when we got the internet,
 
 00:18:40.715 --> 00:18:41.497
 all that kind of stuff,
 
 00:18:41.557 --> 00:18:43.637
 and go and look at reports
 
 00:18:43.778 --> 00:18:45.239
 and look at where things were seen.
 
 00:18:46.038 --> 00:18:50.981
 And, you know, I've never been, you know,
 
 00:18:51.282 --> 00:18:52.242
 they can only be here.
 
 00:18:53.263 --> 00:18:54.304
 If there's woods and water...
 
 00:18:56.144 --> 00:18:56.463
 Why not?
 
 00:18:57.184 --> 00:18:59.185
 You know, that's my view.
 
 00:18:59.685 --> 00:19:00.807
 When you started hearing about it,
 
 00:19:00.826 --> 00:19:01.948
 were you surprised at all
 
 00:19:01.988 --> 00:19:04.088
 how many local incidents were happening?
 
 00:19:05.089 --> 00:19:05.329
 Yeah.
 
 00:19:06.310 --> 00:19:07.192
 Yeah.
 
 00:19:09.413 --> 00:19:09.732
 You know,
 
 00:19:10.074 --> 00:19:13.236
 you kind of think of... It's
 
 00:19:13.316 --> 00:19:14.576
 different from where I'm at now,
 
 00:19:14.596 --> 00:19:15.356
 because right now,
 
 00:19:15.616 --> 00:19:16.958
 I don't think you have to
 
 00:19:16.998 --> 00:19:18.199
 be out in the middle of BFE
 
 00:19:18.239 --> 00:19:22.701
 nowhere to have something happen.
 
 00:19:24.804 --> 00:19:25.084
 I think...
 
 00:19:26.192 --> 00:19:28.893
 they're far closer to us than we think.
 
 00:19:30.613 --> 00:19:37.815
 But, um, you know, the, uh, sightings,
 
 00:19:38.694 --> 00:19:40.935
 like I don't sit at home and,
 
 00:19:41.195 --> 00:19:44.876
 and prowl the local thing
 
 00:19:44.957 --> 00:19:46.837
 or the BFRO website and
 
 00:19:46.877 --> 00:19:50.278
 look for this happened two
 
 00:19:50.318 --> 00:19:53.058
 weeks ago here and then try to go there.
 
 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:54.680
 Um,
 
 00:19:56.681 --> 00:20:00.624
 It's more for me to go to
 
 00:20:00.644 --> 00:20:02.404
 places where I've had
 
 00:20:02.444 --> 00:20:04.665
 little things happen and go
 
 00:20:04.726 --> 00:20:07.307
 back to those places over,
 
 00:20:07.807 --> 00:20:08.868
 like try and repeat going
 
 00:20:08.909 --> 00:20:09.788
 back to those places and
 
 00:20:09.828 --> 00:20:12.270
 see if that happens again
 
 00:20:12.951 --> 00:20:14.051
 or something new happens
 
 00:20:16.272 --> 00:20:18.414
 and build my own case for myself.
 
 00:20:20.756 --> 00:20:22.057
 Was there any particular
 
 00:20:22.136 --> 00:20:23.137
 issue that really grabbed
 
 00:20:23.157 --> 00:20:24.238
 your attention when you got
 
 00:20:24.298 --> 00:20:25.138
 started locally?
 
 00:20:26.993 --> 00:20:28.275
 sorry was there any
 
 00:20:28.315 --> 00:20:29.455
 particular incident or
 
 00:20:29.516 --> 00:20:30.836
 report that really grabbed
 
 00:20:30.856 --> 00:20:32.278
 your attention locally when
 
 00:20:32.317 --> 00:20:35.099
 you started and um said to
 
 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:36.161
 yourself there's got to be
 
 00:20:36.201 --> 00:20:39.364
 something to this yeah um
 
 00:20:40.944 --> 00:20:43.166
 there was a report and then
 
 00:20:43.307 --> 00:20:44.188
 I mean it made it to the
 
 00:20:44.228 --> 00:20:45.387
 news broadcast and they
 
 00:20:45.428 --> 00:20:46.608
 were showing somebody made
 
 00:20:46.689 --> 00:20:48.830
 a cast of a footprint you
 
 00:20:48.851 --> 00:20:50.972
 know and that to me was
 
 00:20:51.133 --> 00:20:53.994
 like well that's cool if
 
 00:20:55.076 --> 00:20:56.156
 you know if that's a
 
 00:20:56.953 --> 00:20:57.775
 real footprint,
 
 00:20:58.035 --> 00:21:02.578
 then that means something
 
 00:21:02.638 --> 00:21:05.260
 was actually there, which is really,
 
 00:21:05.541 --> 00:21:05.821
 you know,
 
 00:21:05.922 --> 00:21:07.143
 the whole point of the subject is,
 
 00:21:07.603 --> 00:21:08.443
 is it actually there?
 
 00:21:10.506 --> 00:21:12.907
 And, um, you know,
 
 00:21:12.948 --> 00:21:14.288
 the guy had seen it
 
 00:21:14.328 --> 00:21:16.171
 crossing a road or I believe,
 
 00:21:18.012 --> 00:21:20.795
 and then he went back and
 
 00:21:20.835 --> 00:21:21.615
 he found the footprint and
 
 00:21:21.635 --> 00:21:23.057
 he made a cast out of it.
 
 00:21:24.008 --> 00:21:26.048
 And then, you know, the news,
 
 00:21:26.348 --> 00:21:27.609
 somehow it filtered through
 
 00:21:27.650 --> 00:21:30.191
 the news and they, you know,
 
 00:21:30.330 --> 00:21:31.632
 talked to them and they showed them.
 
 00:21:32.392 --> 00:21:34.272
 So this was, this was a local incident.
 
 00:21:34.313 --> 00:21:36.193
 Got some press attention at the time.
 
 00:21:36.753 --> 00:21:37.015
 Yeah.
 
 00:21:37.055 --> 00:21:37.894
 Local news station.
 
 00:21:38.335 --> 00:21:38.595
 Yeah.
 
 00:21:41.116 --> 00:21:43.198
 But, um, yeah, it,
 
 00:21:43.377 --> 00:21:45.939
 it's not like I look back
 
 00:21:46.058 --> 00:21:50.681
 at like the former stuff and,
 
 00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:51.741
 and try and base
 
 00:21:53.277 --> 00:21:54.018
 today on it.
 
 00:21:55.318 --> 00:21:56.140
 You know, the yes,
 
 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.441
 there's a lot to learn from it.
 
 00:21:58.261 --> 00:22:02.125
 And you can, you know,
 
 00:22:02.265 --> 00:22:03.727
 definitely learn things
 
 00:22:03.767 --> 00:22:05.909
 from people and how they
 
 00:22:06.189 --> 00:22:06.930
 look at it and how they
 
 00:22:06.950 --> 00:22:08.931
 think about it and how they
 
 00:22:08.971 --> 00:22:09.791
 reacted to it.
 
 00:22:11.032 --> 00:22:12.013
 And what they learned from
 
 00:22:12.074 --> 00:22:12.974
 it what they had, you know,
 
 00:22:14.115 --> 00:22:15.416
 and all that stuff is valuable.
 
 00:22:16.498 --> 00:22:16.979
 Absolutely.
 
 00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:20.059
 well just want to say hello
 
 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:21.520
 to sharon and eyes in the
 
 00:22:21.560 --> 00:22:22.881
 woods thanks for dropping
 
 00:22:22.921 --> 00:22:25.102
 by guys and I wrapped her
 
 00:22:25.122 --> 00:22:29.222
 crazy and uh so jane it it
 
 00:22:29.303 --> 00:22:30.682
 occurs to all of us who've
 
 00:22:30.702 --> 00:22:32.242
 been at this long enough
 
 00:22:32.363 --> 00:22:35.544
 that um our belief system
 
 00:22:35.723 --> 00:22:36.943
 except for probably thomas
 
 00:22:37.023 --> 00:22:38.444
 our belief system comes and
 
 00:22:38.484 --> 00:22:40.265
 goes in waves has there
 
 00:22:40.325 --> 00:22:41.685
 ever been a point where you
 
 00:22:41.766 --> 00:22:43.665
 thought this is a load of crap
 
 00:22:45.380 --> 00:22:49.362
 There was one guy, a chap named Greenwood,
 
 00:22:49.402 --> 00:22:51.702
 who said, you know, on Monday, Tuesday,
 
 00:22:51.762 --> 00:22:52.303
 and Wednesday,
 
 00:22:52.383 --> 00:22:53.663
 I fervently believe in
 
 00:22:53.703 --> 00:22:55.904
 Bigfoot and it'll be found any day now.
 
 00:22:56.404 --> 00:22:57.684
 Thursday and Friday,
 
 00:22:57.805 --> 00:22:59.266
 I think it's a pile of crap.
 
 00:22:59.705 --> 00:23:00.487
 And on Sunday,
 
 00:23:00.567 --> 00:23:01.967
 I don't think about it at all.
 
 00:23:03.208 --> 00:23:04.107
 I just love that.
 
 00:23:04.909 --> 00:23:08.410
 So do you ever say to yourself,
 
 00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:09.329
 why do I bother?
 
 00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:11.371
 This is, you know, it's crap.
 
 00:23:14.531 --> 00:23:19.414
 Um, honestly, for me,
 
 00:23:19.454 --> 00:23:22.616
 the physical things that I've found,
 
 00:23:23.438 --> 00:23:28.780
 like the footprints, some odd stuff that,
 
 00:23:29.182 --> 00:23:29.541
 you know,
 
 00:23:30.923 --> 00:23:36.066
 walking about a half a mile off trail,
 
 00:23:36.946 --> 00:23:38.607
 back behind a pond and some
 
 00:23:38.667 --> 00:23:39.548
 reeds and there's a bunch
 
 00:23:39.587 --> 00:23:41.710
 of berry bushes and finding...
 
 00:23:42.748 --> 00:23:44.068
 footprints and we heard
 
 00:23:44.128 --> 00:23:46.049
 something huff at us from
 
 00:23:46.630 --> 00:23:49.892
 down over the hill and that
 
 00:23:49.912 --> 00:23:50.971
 kind of stuff is what makes
 
 00:23:51.031 --> 00:23:52.232
 me say there's something
 
 00:23:52.252 --> 00:23:57.215
 there and what that
 
 00:23:57.236 --> 00:23:58.977
 something is I'm not really
 
 00:23:59.037 --> 00:24:04.459
 sure um but it's enough to
 
 00:24:04.499 --> 00:24:05.160
 make me say there's
 
 00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:08.201
 something there and really
 
 00:24:08.260 --> 00:24:10.962
 that's that's about it you know I mean
 
 00:24:12.987 --> 00:24:14.247
 Are they everywhere all the time?
 
 00:24:14.587 --> 00:24:16.728
 No.
 
 00:24:16.728 --> 00:24:18.828
 90% of big footing is going around,
 
 00:24:19.128 --> 00:24:20.048
 walking around in the woods
 
 00:24:20.088 --> 00:24:22.470
 in the night and finding nothing.
 
 00:24:24.711 --> 00:24:25.090
 Yeah.
 
 00:24:25.330 --> 00:24:27.791
 But it's the people that
 
 00:24:27.832 --> 00:24:28.731
 you're with when you're doing it.
 
 00:24:30.073 --> 00:24:32.073
 Are you, you know,
 
 00:24:32.653 --> 00:24:34.374
 are you learning from each other?
 
 00:24:34.473 --> 00:24:36.494
 Are you enjoying what you're
 
 00:24:36.515 --> 00:24:37.174
 doing together?
 
 00:24:38.234 --> 00:24:40.036
 Is it, you know,
 
 00:24:40.955 --> 00:24:41.415
 Yeah,
 
 00:24:41.435 --> 00:24:43.096
 you're squatching more but enjoying
 
 00:24:43.156 --> 00:24:43.616
 it less.
 
 00:24:46.257 --> 00:24:47.357
 I guess that's for people
 
 00:24:47.377 --> 00:24:49.157
 who expect to be rewarded
 
 00:24:49.238 --> 00:24:51.439
 by some great find when they go out.
 
 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:53.759
 And then when they don't come across it,
 
 00:24:53.798 --> 00:24:54.939
 they're very disappointed
 
 00:24:54.979 --> 00:24:57.039
 and jaded in the entire subject.
 
 00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:58.880
 I don't know.
 
 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:00.260
 Everybody is in it for their
 
 00:25:00.361 --> 00:25:01.681
 own reasons and have their
 
 00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:03.201
 own expectations of what
 
 00:25:03.221 --> 00:25:04.662
 they're going to get out of this.
 
 00:25:05.442 --> 00:25:08.563
 And for some people, it happens.
 
 00:25:08.603 --> 00:25:09.563
 For others, it don't.
 
 00:25:10.378 --> 00:25:12.440
 But you're absolutely right
 
 00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:13.279
 about one thing, though,
 
 00:25:13.339 --> 00:25:14.500
 is the camaraderie and
 
 00:25:14.540 --> 00:25:16.162
 being out there doing that.
 
 00:25:16.281 --> 00:25:16.501
 I mean,
 
 00:25:16.882 --> 00:25:18.682
 the best time I can honestly say
 
 00:25:18.742 --> 00:25:21.724
 I've ever had in my life, best times,
 
 00:25:22.565 --> 00:25:23.605
 was either doing
 
 00:25:23.645 --> 00:25:25.445
 Sasquatch-related something
 
 00:25:25.465 --> 00:25:27.426
 or ATVing or whatever.
 
 00:25:27.446 --> 00:25:29.167
 They're my two passions, and that's it.
 
 00:25:30.068 --> 00:25:32.630
 And yeah,
 
 00:25:32.710 --> 00:25:33.770
 I'll look on the back of my
 
 00:25:33.790 --> 00:25:35.111
 deathbed and I'll say, boy,
 
 00:25:35.211 --> 00:25:36.451
 I had some great times.
 
 00:25:38.911 --> 00:25:40.132
 Yeah, you know, like,
 
 00:25:40.392 --> 00:25:45.094
 I don't go out expecting, oh,
 
 00:25:45.193 --> 00:25:46.275
 every time I go out there,
 
 00:25:46.315 --> 00:25:47.375
 I'm gonna hear something,
 
 00:25:47.414 --> 00:25:48.395
 I'm gonna find something,
 
 00:25:48.435 --> 00:25:49.316
 there's gonna be a footprint.
 
 00:25:49.576 --> 00:25:49.737
 No.
 
 00:25:51.436 --> 00:25:53.878
 No, if you come across it, bonus.
 
 00:25:54.878 --> 00:25:56.059
 Yeah, right.
 
 00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:56.940
 Yeah.
 
 00:25:57.059 --> 00:25:59.922
 And if you don't want want,
 
 00:26:00.382 --> 00:26:02.363
 go back to camp and, you know,
 
 00:26:03.213 --> 00:26:05.075
 hang out around the fire and
 
 00:26:05.575 --> 00:26:06.316
 enjoy the people that
 
 00:26:06.336 --> 00:26:07.435
 you're with there's nothing
 
 00:26:07.756 --> 00:26:08.916
 there's no losing that
 
 00:26:10.317 --> 00:26:11.397
 there's no very well put
 
 00:26:12.038 --> 00:26:18.021
 very well yeah so anybody
 
 00:26:18.082 --> 00:26:19.643
 in your family ever go on
 
 00:26:19.762 --> 00:26:21.182
 any of these little scourge
 
 00:26:21.344 --> 00:26:25.665
 excursions with you no no no no um
 
 00:26:29.647 --> 00:26:30.669
 I've had some friends that
 
 00:26:30.709 --> 00:26:32.650
 are interested in it and you know.
 
 00:26:34.711 --> 00:26:37.051
 But every time like hey,
 
 00:26:37.451 --> 00:26:38.752
 couple of couple of people
 
 00:26:38.833 --> 00:26:40.032
 were going to go.
 
 00:26:41.134 --> 00:26:43.394
 Camping and I can't do it
 
 00:26:43.414 --> 00:26:44.635
 and there's that they don't
 
 00:26:44.855 --> 00:26:46.737
 know if they can or if they
 
 00:26:46.757 --> 00:26:48.116
 can't another subject but.
 
 00:26:49.718 --> 00:26:50.498
 But now that's.
 
 00:26:51.979 --> 00:26:54.119
 Finding that's like finding
 
 00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:55.861
 these finding the track,
 
 00:26:56.221 --> 00:26:57.102
 you know meeting.
 
 00:26:57.961 --> 00:27:02.983
 Mr. and Mrs. Trackway, and Bud and Angie,
 
 00:27:03.064 --> 00:27:04.805
 Bigfoot Bud and his wife Angie,
 
 00:27:04.924 --> 00:27:08.426
 and these people that I've come to meet,
 
 00:27:08.507 --> 00:27:12.809
 and they're Ohio people, which, you know,
 
 00:27:14.270 --> 00:27:15.491
 pack up like last night.
 
 00:27:17.073 --> 00:27:19.874
 The trackways are like, hey, let's go.
 
 00:27:20.375 --> 00:27:21.555
 We went, you know.
 
 00:27:23.415 --> 00:27:25.857
 So what was your experience,
 
 00:27:26.238 --> 00:27:27.499
 Thomas and Monsignor Thomas?
 
 00:27:29.113 --> 00:27:29.993
 thought was a very good
 
 00:27:30.054 --> 00:27:31.394
 gathering we all had a lot
 
 00:27:31.694 --> 00:27:33.856
 of a very good time there's
 
 00:27:33.876 --> 00:27:35.358
 a lot of camaraderie there
 
 00:27:36.579 --> 00:27:37.559
 it's always great when you
 
 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:38.540
 get a bunch of people with
 
 00:27:38.601 --> 00:27:41.344
 a similar interest but my
 
 00:27:41.423 --> 00:27:43.404
 oh my fear is whenever we
 
 00:27:43.464 --> 00:27:44.486
 have a group and it wasn't
 
 00:27:44.526 --> 00:27:45.928
 that big of a group which
 
 00:27:45.988 --> 00:27:47.068
 is a good thing in my
 
 00:27:47.128 --> 00:27:49.830
 opinion there's always that
 
 00:27:49.931 --> 00:27:51.291
 fear when I've noticed in
 
 00:27:51.311 --> 00:27:52.732
 the past when a big group
 
 00:27:52.772 --> 00:27:54.315
 gets together they're
 
 00:27:54.335 --> 00:27:55.195
 always going to have one or
 
 00:27:55.256 --> 00:27:56.936
 two people who see sasquatch
 
 00:28:00.392 --> 00:28:01.633
 and you know they they're
 
 00:28:01.653 --> 00:28:03.114
 seeing it all right in
 
 00:28:03.153 --> 00:28:06.214
 their head and I see it in
 
 00:28:06.234 --> 00:28:07.796
 reality that was always my
 
 00:28:07.836 --> 00:28:08.836
 biggest fear whenever I
 
 00:28:08.856 --> 00:28:09.958
 have these groups together
 
 00:28:09.998 --> 00:28:10.978
 you always get someone
 
 00:28:11.018 --> 00:28:13.098
 there that I saw a face
 
 00:28:13.138 --> 00:28:15.500
 looking out at me and they
 
 00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:16.320
 want to get everyone all
 
 00:28:16.381 --> 00:28:17.902
 excited and hovering around
 
 00:28:17.942 --> 00:28:18.742
 them and stuff like that
 
 00:28:18.782 --> 00:28:20.063
 that didn't happen in this
 
 00:28:20.183 --> 00:28:21.743
 case and we were lucky the
 
 00:28:21.763 --> 00:28:24.125
 campsite we had was just all we had to do
 
 00:28:27.461 --> 00:28:29.021
 Well, we were in the wilderness, period,
 
 00:28:29.102 --> 00:28:32.505
 but all we had to do was cross the creek,
 
 00:28:32.625 --> 00:28:35.346
 and it could be anywhere.
 
 00:28:36.188 --> 00:28:37.608
 And on this trip, well,
 
 00:28:37.628 --> 00:28:38.449
 there was actually one or
 
 00:28:38.489 --> 00:28:39.289
 two incidents where
 
 00:28:39.349 --> 00:28:40.851
 possible footprints were found.
 
 00:28:43.993 --> 00:28:45.253
 Jen, as a matter of fact,
 
 00:28:45.335 --> 00:28:46.295
 found the second set.
 
 00:28:48.876 --> 00:28:51.118
 Yeah, it's one of the pictures I sent,
 
 00:28:51.159 --> 00:28:52.599
 the one with the hammer.
 
 00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:53.980
 My camera didn't take a good picture,
 
 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:54.040
 so...
 
 00:28:56.413 --> 00:28:57.474
 kind of washed out, I think.
 
 00:28:57.494 --> 00:29:00.175
 And I think the first set by
 
 00:29:00.195 --> 00:29:02.517
 Dakota is definitely a possibility.
 
 00:29:02.576 --> 00:29:04.958
 I'm not going to declare it full out,
 
 00:29:05.018 --> 00:29:06.618
 but it was a possibility.
 
 00:29:07.078 --> 00:29:07.219
 Yeah.
 
 00:29:09.661 --> 00:29:10.240
 Yeah, I mean,
 
 00:29:10.260 --> 00:29:15.303
 it was a good group of folks
 
 00:29:15.383 --> 00:29:16.624
 and everybody was willing
 
 00:29:16.663 --> 00:29:19.705
 to support each other's ideas.
 
 00:29:19.865 --> 00:29:21.626
 And I want to try this.
 
 00:29:21.787 --> 00:29:24.268
 OK, let's try it, you know.
 
 00:29:25.696 --> 00:29:28.117
 And I think that being
 
 00:29:28.157 --> 00:29:29.178
 supportive of the people
 
 00:29:29.218 --> 00:29:30.357
 that you're out there with
 
 00:29:31.018 --> 00:29:32.358
 is what's important.
 
 00:29:34.199 --> 00:29:36.539
 I don't think she's talking
 
 00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:37.740
 about you grasshopper.
 
 00:29:40.361 --> 00:29:40.681
 I can't,
 
 00:29:40.780 --> 00:29:42.361
 I don't have a thing for my chat
 
 00:29:42.401 --> 00:29:42.721
 right now.
 
 00:29:44.862 --> 00:29:45.402
 Yeah.
 
 00:29:47.001 --> 00:29:51.942
 But, uh, what was I going to say?
 
 00:29:54.503 --> 00:29:54.564
 Uh,
 
 00:29:55.281 --> 00:29:55.862
 Mount St.
 
 00:29:55.902 --> 00:29:58.683
 Helens, did you guys get a chance?
 
 00:29:58.703 --> 00:29:58.844
 Well,
 
 00:29:58.884 --> 00:30:01.285
 I guess you did because Jay Birch was
 
 00:30:01.365 --> 00:30:02.224
 with you guys.
 
 00:30:02.265 --> 00:30:04.145
 He's not in any of those pictures.
 
 00:30:06.646 --> 00:30:08.627
 But he's a local resident.
 
 00:30:08.667 --> 00:30:10.229
 Does he put any stock in
 
 00:30:10.269 --> 00:30:11.329
 this nonsense that was
 
 00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:13.151
 going on back in the 80s
 
 00:30:13.211 --> 00:30:16.092
 about these Sasquatch
 
 00:30:16.152 --> 00:30:17.833
 bodies being carried out of
 
 00:30:17.873 --> 00:30:19.394
 there after the initial
 
 00:30:19.453 --> 00:30:20.534
 blast from Mount St.
 
 00:30:20.574 --> 00:30:22.855
 Helens and these bodies
 
 00:30:22.894 --> 00:30:24.476
 being carried out there on their
 
 00:30:24.929 --> 00:30:26.670
 cover of darkness by the U.S.
 
 00:30:26.789 --> 00:30:27.569
 Army.
 
 00:30:32.911 --> 00:30:36.172
 I think J. X made that idea.
 
 00:30:38.532 --> 00:30:41.153
 I can tell you, I asked him about
 
 00:30:49.278 --> 00:30:50.078
 It's a beautiful country.
 
 00:30:50.098 --> 00:30:51.440
 I've never been down that far.
 
 00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:52.721
 I almost got there once.
 
 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:54.362
 The fair was Olympia.
 
 00:30:54.382 --> 00:30:55.663
 That was myself and you and
 
 00:30:55.682 --> 00:30:58.644
 Gwen got down to Olympia.
 
 00:31:01.467 --> 00:31:02.968
 We were in the bush a few
 
 00:31:03.028 --> 00:31:04.249
 miles north of Cougar.
 
 00:31:05.612 --> 00:31:06.392
 Cougar Washington,
 
 00:31:06.432 --> 00:31:08.313
 which is on the south slopes of Mount St.
 
 00:31:08.353 --> 00:31:08.673
 Helens.
 
 00:31:08.752 --> 00:31:11.253
 And this area, other than Ashfall,
 
 00:31:11.334 --> 00:31:13.255
 never really got touched by the blast,
 
 00:31:13.275 --> 00:31:14.115
 because it was the north
 
 00:31:14.175 --> 00:31:15.135
 face that blew out.
 
 00:31:15.476 --> 00:31:15.875
 Okay.
 
 00:31:16.215 --> 00:31:16.517
 Yeah.
 
 00:31:17.096 --> 00:31:18.436
 The south face is just as
 
 00:31:18.877 --> 00:31:20.278
 old-growth forest as it was
 
 00:31:20.357 --> 00:31:21.618
 back in the day.
 
 00:31:22.298 --> 00:31:24.279
 And that's the area we were mostly in.
 
 00:31:24.579 --> 00:31:27.221
 We were basically in the same area, Jerry,
 
 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.442
 where Robert Morgan filmed
 
 00:31:30.481 --> 00:31:31.563
 his documentary,
 
 00:31:32.368 --> 00:31:33.710
 film back in the late 70s
 
 00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:34.931
 you remember that one I
 
 00:31:34.971 --> 00:31:36.652
 know the one yeah and the
 
 00:31:36.711 --> 00:31:38.493
 Cougar Washington area and
 
 00:31:38.773 --> 00:31:41.776
 uh gorgeous gorgeous area I
 
 00:31:41.796 --> 00:31:43.877
 mean it's fantastic and the
 
 00:31:43.917 --> 00:31:45.159
 weather when we were there
 
 00:31:45.439 --> 00:31:46.720
 we couldn't ask for better
 
 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:48.942
 no absolutely no it wasn't
 
 00:31:49.001 --> 00:31:50.643
 too hot it wasn't too cold
 
 00:31:50.702 --> 00:31:52.064
 it was sunny every day it
 
 00:31:52.124 --> 00:31:53.825
 was nice at night I mean we
 
 00:31:53.865 --> 00:31:55.646
 were really locked out yeah
 
 00:31:56.007 --> 00:31:56.827
 yeah there you go
 
 00:31:57.577 --> 00:31:58.657
 up in the morning going oh
 
 00:31:58.698 --> 00:32:00.098
 my god it's cold and a
 
 00:32:00.578 --> 00:32:01.358
 couple hours later you're
 
 00:32:01.378 --> 00:32:02.920
 like go put your shorts on
 
 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:03.759
 and then a couple hours
 
 00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:05.381
 later you go put the jeans
 
 00:32:05.421 --> 00:32:06.441
 back on and put the jacket
 
 00:32:06.461 --> 00:32:08.721
 back on hey jen I've got a
 
 00:32:08.761 --> 00:32:10.843
 question for you now you're
 
 00:32:10.883 --> 00:32:14.223
 in ohio now correct yes so
 
 00:32:14.864 --> 00:32:18.705
 in your studies have you seen anything
 
 00:32:19.932 --> 00:32:21.973
 unique about the ohio grass
 
 00:32:22.034 --> 00:32:23.193
 man phenomenon that would
 
 00:32:23.213 --> 00:32:25.474
 be say different than what
 
 00:32:25.555 --> 00:32:27.395
 is normally expected say on
 
 00:32:27.435 --> 00:32:28.776
 the pacific northwest coast
 
 00:32:29.557 --> 00:32:31.356
 or you think it's just a
 
 00:32:31.497 --> 00:32:32.857
 different name for the
 
 00:32:32.917 --> 00:32:35.558
 exact same creature and the
 
 00:32:35.598 --> 00:32:36.999
 habits and everything are
 
 00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:37.920
 pretty much the same I
 
 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:39.579
 think they're pretty much
 
 00:32:40.560 --> 00:32:41.461
 the same I think they're
 
 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.442
 very very in sizes and
 
 00:32:43.682 --> 00:32:45.883
 colors and personalities
 
 00:32:45.962 --> 00:32:49.523
 but I think it's basically the same thing
 
 00:32:50.948 --> 00:32:52.308
 What do you mean by personality?
 
 00:32:53.630 --> 00:32:53.970
 I mean,
 
 00:32:53.990 --> 00:32:56.732
 I think some might be a little more
 
 00:32:56.772 --> 00:32:57.653
 aggressive than others.
 
 00:32:57.712 --> 00:32:58.653
 Some might be a little more
 
 00:32:58.673 --> 00:32:59.555
 skittish than others.
 
 00:33:00.474 --> 00:33:02.457
 Do you find that in Ohio,
 
 00:33:02.876 --> 00:33:04.018
 reports that there seems to
 
 00:33:04.057 --> 00:33:05.239
 be more of an aggressive
 
 00:33:05.358 --> 00:33:06.720
 trend than what you see here?
 
 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.280
 No, no, not really.
 
 00:33:08.381 --> 00:33:09.082
 Not too much.
 
 00:33:11.263 --> 00:33:11.423
 Some
 
 00:33:13.597 --> 00:33:16.619
 pebble throwing type of that kind of stuff,
 
 00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:19.101
 but nothing extremely
 
 00:33:19.161 --> 00:33:20.481
 aggressive or anything like that.
 
 00:33:20.602 --> 00:33:23.784
 But I think just like with any animal,
 
 00:33:25.105 --> 00:33:26.286
 human, whatever,
 
 00:33:27.405 --> 00:33:29.047
 some are friendlier than others.
 
 00:33:29.166 --> 00:33:31.929
 Some are quicker to react than others.
 
 00:33:33.529 --> 00:33:34.730
 Some are, you know,
 
 00:33:34.851 --> 00:33:36.051
 more fearful than others.
 
 00:33:36.951 --> 00:33:38.413
 Have you ever had a setting yourself?
 
 00:33:39.753 --> 00:33:40.433
 Not directly.
 
 00:33:41.154 --> 00:33:41.335
 No.
 
 00:33:42.474 --> 00:33:43.256
 How about indirectly?
 
 00:33:45.402 --> 00:33:49.964
 I think I saw basically we
 
 00:33:50.885 --> 00:33:53.768
 were walking through a path
 
 00:33:53.928 --> 00:33:59.731
 and we had some stones
 
 00:33:59.771 --> 00:34:03.075
 being thrown from off to
 
 00:34:03.194 --> 00:34:04.756
 our right down in the woods.
 
 00:34:06.176 --> 00:34:07.038
 This is in Ohio?
 
 00:34:07.738 --> 00:34:07.978
 Yeah.
 
 00:34:09.018 --> 00:34:10.260
 And they were coming up and
 
 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.181
 kind of bouncing on the
 
 00:34:12.221 --> 00:34:14.262
 tree limbs and bouncing into the path.
 
 00:34:16.735 --> 00:34:18.916
 These were like, they're like lob throws,
 
 00:34:18.996 --> 00:34:26.018
 I would say, like, um, and so we're like,
 
 00:34:26.478 --> 00:34:27.699
 yeah,
 
 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.119
 let's kind of move this along and
 
 00:34:30.139 --> 00:34:31.141
 get out of here because
 
 00:34:31.181 --> 00:34:32.320
 this is getting uncomfortable.
 
 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:33.260
 Okay.
 
 00:34:34.822 --> 00:34:36.862
 So as we're moving along and
 
 00:34:36.943 --> 00:34:39.143
 I'm like looking through
 
 00:34:39.163 --> 00:34:41.403
 the different tree lines is
 
 00:34:41.443 --> 00:34:42.525
 keeping an eye out for
 
 00:34:43.005 --> 00:34:43.864
 whatever and anything.
 
 00:34:46.447 --> 00:34:47.788
 i kind of see some movement
 
 00:34:47.949 --> 00:34:50.289
 between a couple trees so I
 
 00:34:50.349 --> 00:34:51.869
 stop and I'm watching and
 
 00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:53.989
 then there is a quick
 
 00:34:54.050 --> 00:34:55.190
 movement from one to
 
 00:34:55.210 --> 00:34:56.851
 another tree and it looked
 
 00:34:58.311 --> 00:35:02.092
 tall but other than a dark
 
 00:35:02.152 --> 00:35:03.092
 shape that looked like it
 
 00:35:03.112 --> 00:35:05.574
 was tall with a head going
 
 00:35:05.673 --> 00:35:08.155
 from you know tree to tree
 
 00:35:08.175 --> 00:35:09.856
 to tree real quick that was
 
 00:35:09.896 --> 00:35:12.396
 it so definitively don't
 
 00:35:12.416 --> 00:35:14.016
 know how one does
 
 00:35:14.815 --> 00:35:15.996
 you estimate it was from it
 
 00:35:16.137 --> 00:35:18.639
 oh uh I'm not that good
 
 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:25.164
 with those but um half to
 
 00:35:25.184 --> 00:35:25.744
 three quarters of a
 
 00:35:25.764 --> 00:35:28.186
 football field maybe after
 
 00:35:28.206 --> 00:35:28.748
 three quarters of a
 
 00:35:28.768 --> 00:35:30.028
 football field how many
 
 00:35:30.068 --> 00:35:30.989
 people were in your group
 
 00:35:31.070 --> 00:35:33.271
 this uh it's just me and
 
 00:35:33.331 --> 00:35:36.574
 one other person yeah you
 
 00:35:36.614 --> 00:35:38.074
 know what I found that uh
 
 00:35:38.155 --> 00:35:40.496
 I'm sorry go ahead jen no I
 
 00:35:40.536 --> 00:35:43.440
 was like you know do you see
 
 00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:45.568
 anything over there and he's
 
 00:35:46.190 --> 00:35:47.449
 and he's like there was
 
 00:35:47.489 --> 00:35:49.110
 some something moved and
 
 00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:51.231
 then you know we stood
 
 00:35:51.251 --> 00:35:52.012
 there and watched for a
 
 00:35:52.032 --> 00:35:53.112
 little while I didn't see
 
 00:35:53.152 --> 00:35:55.193
 anything else so yeah we
 
 00:35:55.213 --> 00:35:56.833
 just moved along because we
 
 00:35:56.853 --> 00:35:57.634
 weren't getting rocks
 
 00:35:57.693 --> 00:35:59.914
 anymore so everything kind
 
 00:35:59.954 --> 00:36:02.014
 of calmed down and we just
 
 00:36:02.034 --> 00:36:03.956
 kind of worked our way back
 
 00:36:04.036 --> 00:36:06.717
 out and left but I love the
 
 00:36:06.737 --> 00:36:07.777
 comment you made about the
 
 00:36:07.836 --> 00:36:09.818
 rocks uh being lobbed
 
 00:36:10.418 --> 00:36:12.619
 instead of throwing because
 
 00:36:12.898 --> 00:36:13.778
 I mean that's how
 
 00:36:14.568 --> 00:36:16.168
 primates throw things as
 
 00:36:16.248 --> 00:36:17.909
 they lob it backhanded,
 
 00:36:19.630 --> 00:36:23.271
 which is confusing to me
 
 00:36:23.291 --> 00:36:24.592
 when I hear about reports
 
 00:36:24.652 --> 00:36:25.771
 about rocks whizzing
 
 00:36:25.831 --> 00:36:27.853
 through the upper canopy of
 
 00:36:27.992 --> 00:36:30.353
 trees and everything going
 
 00:36:30.454 --> 00:36:32.213
 on a horizontal plane
 
 00:36:32.333 --> 00:36:36.376
 because I'm more used to
 
 00:36:36.396 --> 00:36:38.376
 the idea of such an object
 
 00:36:38.416 --> 00:36:41.016
 being lobbed backhanded.
 
 00:36:41.557 --> 00:36:42.838
 It would have a quick arc.
 
 00:36:43.297 --> 00:36:44.958
 up high and then a quick arc
 
 00:36:45.038 --> 00:36:46.199
 back down to the ground
 
 00:36:46.259 --> 00:36:47.880
 again to land on your feet.
 
 00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:49.621
 It wouldn't go whizzing by your head,
 
 00:36:49.661 --> 00:36:50.001
 you know?
 
 00:36:51.202 --> 00:36:51.782
 Well, I mean,
 
 00:36:52.242 --> 00:36:55.585
 there was... I just mean that in general.
 
 00:36:55.625 --> 00:36:56.985
 I wasn't reflecting on what
 
 00:36:57.065 --> 00:36:58.927
 you saw or experienced.
 
 00:36:58.967 --> 00:36:59.728
 Yeah, no.
 
 00:36:59.768 --> 00:37:02.389
 We also have seen... I've
 
 00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:04.231
 also seen sitting in camp, like,
 
 00:37:05.391 --> 00:37:07.952
 there's little... They're not acorns.
 
 00:37:07.992 --> 00:37:09.054
 I don't know what the heck they're called,
 
 00:37:09.094 --> 00:37:09.333
 but the
 
 00:37:11.501 --> 00:37:13.021
 some sort of a nut.
 
 00:37:14.202 --> 00:37:15.983
 I was sitting in camp and
 
 00:37:16.483 --> 00:37:18.943
 they were coming at the end
 
 00:37:18.983 --> 00:37:19.784
 of our campsite.
 
 00:37:20.224 --> 00:37:23.364
 It was a little ravine
 
 00:37:23.684 --> 00:37:25.146
 between each set of campsites.
 
 00:37:25.905 --> 00:37:26.985
 A little stream running through.
 
 00:37:27.005 --> 00:37:31.106
 Kind of steep.
 
 00:37:33.327 --> 00:37:35.847
 Sitting in camp, roasting hot dog.
 
 00:37:37.829 --> 00:37:38.509
 And these things are
 
 00:37:39.235 --> 00:37:40.695
 These nuts are coming up out
 
 00:37:40.715 --> 00:37:41.496
 of the darkness and
 
 00:37:42.295 --> 00:37:43.737
 bouncing into camp and
 
 00:37:44.697 --> 00:37:45.858
 bouncing off the chairs.
 
 00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:50.760
 But, you know, at those,
 
 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:51.960
 I wasn't taking it as an
 
 00:37:52.021 --> 00:37:54.521
 aggressive thing as to
 
 00:37:54.561 --> 00:37:57.963
 where when we were in the
 
 00:37:58.003 --> 00:37:58.704
 woods and it was getting
 
 00:37:58.744 --> 00:37:59.844
 late and we were heading out,
 
 00:38:01.025 --> 00:38:01.905
 they were hitting things
 
 00:38:01.925 --> 00:38:03.166
 with kind of force.
 
 00:38:04.025 --> 00:38:06.527
 They were kind of off the side of a tree.
 
 00:38:06.967 --> 00:38:07.427
 It was more...
 
 00:38:08.655 --> 00:38:10.115
 Forceful, I would say.
 
 00:38:11.737 --> 00:38:15.541
 And where this was more of a, you know.
 
 00:38:15.581 --> 00:38:16.762
 Trying to get your attention.
 
 00:38:17.222 --> 00:38:17.922
 See what you do.
 
 00:38:17.963 --> 00:38:19.563
 See what your reaction is.
 
 00:38:20.485 --> 00:38:20.724
 Yeah.
 
 00:38:21.146 --> 00:38:21.365
 Yeah.
 
 00:38:21.626 --> 00:38:22.246
 And, you know,
 
 00:38:22.666 --> 00:38:25.048
 having things tossed at the tent lightly.
 
 00:38:25.068 --> 00:38:28.152
 I think Bill had a couple
 
 00:38:28.192 --> 00:38:29.432
 more questions he wanted to ask.
 
 00:38:31.976 --> 00:38:32.536
 No, thanks.
 
 00:38:32.577 --> 00:38:34.498
 You've derailed my train of thought.
 
 00:38:34.538 --> 00:38:36.717
 I'd have to get back into it.
 
 00:38:36.998 --> 00:38:38.699
 So not at the moment.
 
 00:38:40.998 --> 00:38:41.219
 Well,
 
 00:38:41.338 --> 00:38:44.019
 while he's directing his train of thought,
 
 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.599
 I'll put you on another set
 
 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.201
 of tracks altogether, Jen.
 
 00:38:47.981 --> 00:38:48.300
 Okay.
 
 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.822
 And let's talk about Joe for a moment.
 
 00:38:50.842 --> 00:38:51.902
 Okay.
 
 00:38:53.552 --> 00:38:55.134
 In case anybody does not know,
 
 00:38:55.193 --> 00:38:56.213
 I'm talking about Joe
 
 00:38:56.233 --> 00:38:58.835
 Snyder who passed away last year.
 
 00:38:59.695 --> 00:39:01.054
 One of the most authentic
 
 00:39:01.114 --> 00:39:03.396
 people that I have ever known.
 
 00:39:04.155 --> 00:39:04.856
 I'll say that.
 
 00:39:06.177 --> 00:39:07.396
 And how did you meet Joe?
 
 00:39:09.277 --> 00:39:12.858
 I would just be in his chat.
 
 00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:15.940
 And then the one day he was
 
 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:16.820
 doing something,
 
 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.021
 hit the link and come on
 
 00:39:18.081 --> 00:39:19.380
 and hang out and talk and
 
 00:39:20.481 --> 00:39:21.762
 just a hangout show.
 
 00:39:23.568 --> 00:39:29.373
 um and uh how did you how
 
 00:39:29.393 --> 00:39:30.773
 did you become his producer
 
 00:39:33.876 --> 00:39:35.577
 how did you have nerve
 
 00:39:35.657 --> 00:39:36.938
 enough to become his
 
 00:39:37.018 --> 00:39:40.601
 producer really I was uh
 
 00:39:40.641 --> 00:39:41.481
 we're up there we're just
 
 00:39:41.521 --> 00:39:42.583
 hanging out we're talking
 
 00:39:42.603 --> 00:39:43.423
 we're laughing we're having
 
 00:39:43.443 --> 00:39:44.364
 a good time people are
 
 00:39:44.423 --> 00:39:45.445
 asking us questions in the
 
 00:39:45.485 --> 00:39:46.646
 chat and coming in and
 
 00:39:46.686 --> 00:39:48.788
 going out and then halfway
 
 00:39:48.807 --> 00:39:49.487
 through the show he goes
 
 00:39:49.648 --> 00:39:50.608
 hey you want to do a show
 
 00:39:50.628 --> 00:39:51.369
 with me and I'm like
 
 00:39:52.137 --> 00:39:52.496
 Sure.
 
 00:39:52.978 --> 00:39:53.458
 That was that.
 
 00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:58.702
 You did not know your own Perro.
 
 00:39:59.302 --> 00:40:01.123
 Did you ever go out with him, Jen,
 
 00:40:01.443 --> 00:40:01.884
 in the bush?
 
 00:40:02.083 --> 00:40:03.204
 Because he was in New York.
 
 00:40:04.304 --> 00:40:04.985
 Yeah, no.
 
 00:40:05.806 --> 00:40:06.847
 We had talked about it.
 
 00:40:07.306 --> 00:40:07.547
 Yeah.
 
 00:40:08.248 --> 00:40:09.869
 And then what happened, happened.
 
 00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:11.230
 We never got there.
 
 00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:15.313
 Yeah.
 
 00:40:15.333 --> 00:40:15.532
 Yeah.
 
 00:40:15.572 --> 00:40:16.713
 We were trying to get him to
 
 00:40:16.753 --> 00:40:18.474
 come out here to Ohio and
 
 00:40:18.494 --> 00:40:19.596
 go to the Hocking Hills
 
 00:40:19.635 --> 00:40:20.936
 Festival with us last year.
 
 00:40:22.202 --> 00:40:24.583
 And he's like, I can't do it this year,
 
 00:40:24.724 --> 00:40:25.824
 but I'm going to do it next year,
 
 00:40:25.864 --> 00:40:26.724
 which will be the one
 
 00:40:26.766 --> 00:40:27.865
 coming up here in a couple of weeks.
 
 00:40:28.507 --> 00:40:32.269
 But we'll always take him with me.
 
 00:40:33.951 --> 00:40:34.391
 Well, you know,
 
 00:40:34.431 --> 00:40:35.472
 he was known to do two
 
 00:40:35.552 --> 00:40:37.653
 podcasts a day at times.
 
 00:40:38.693 --> 00:40:40.215
 And how were you able to
 
 00:40:40.275 --> 00:40:41.817
 keep up with him on that stuff?
 
 00:40:43.538 --> 00:40:45.378
 We set ours to be in Friday evening,
 
 00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:50.362
 which for the most part
 
 00:40:50.422 --> 00:40:51.523
 worked out all right.
 
 00:40:52.134 --> 00:40:54.474
 uh of course there'd be days
 
 00:40:54.534 --> 00:40:56.836
 that you know he'd have me
 
 00:40:56.896 --> 00:40:57.817
 looking up all this kind of
 
 00:40:57.836 --> 00:40:59.637
 stuff for shows and then he
 
 00:40:59.978 --> 00:41:00.938
 like 20 minutes before
 
 00:41:00.978 --> 00:41:03.420
 showtime he go hey I don't
 
 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:08.882
 feel like it sorry okay did
 
 00:41:08.922 --> 00:41:10.684
 you happen to record the
 
 00:41:10.724 --> 00:41:11.644
 shows because a lot of his
 
 00:41:11.684 --> 00:41:13.465
 shows disappeared it was a
 
 00:41:13.485 --> 00:41:14.525
 technical glitch or
 
 00:41:14.545 --> 00:41:15.286
 something and they just
 
 00:41:15.327 --> 00:41:16.967
 disappeared he lost his
 
 00:41:16.987 --> 00:41:18.887
 channel he deleted the channel yeah
 
 00:41:20.619 --> 00:41:21.860
 Yeah, he deleted the channel.
 
 00:41:24.983 --> 00:41:25.684
 They were trying to figure
 
 00:41:25.704 --> 00:41:26.605
 out how to get it back,
 
 00:41:28.686 --> 00:41:30.007
 but I don't think it ever
 
 00:41:30.768 --> 00:41:32.349
 came about that they didn't get it back.
 
 00:41:32.588 --> 00:41:32.949
 Yeah,
 
 00:41:33.009 --> 00:41:34.811
 you can't do that with YouTube at the
 
 00:41:34.911 --> 00:41:35.952
 best of times,
 
 00:41:36.711 --> 00:41:39.775
 let alone when you eliminate it yourself.
 
 00:41:40.976 --> 00:41:41.335
 Yeah,
 
 00:41:41.396 --> 00:41:44.137
 he was tinkering around with something,
 
 00:41:44.277 --> 00:41:46.800
 and he was like, oh, crap,
 
 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:47.840
 I deleted the whole channel.
 
 00:41:48.181 --> 00:41:49.202
 Like, you did what?
 
 00:41:50.891 --> 00:41:51.972
 He's like, I can't get it back.
 
 00:41:52.032 --> 00:41:53.632
 I can't get it back.
 
 00:41:54.034 --> 00:41:55.173
 Some of those are classic.
 
 00:41:56.635 --> 00:41:58.137
 I remember the night he
 
 00:41:58.197 --> 00:41:59.257
 changed the name from
 
 00:41:59.378 --> 00:42:04.161
 Sasquatch Atheist because
 
 00:42:04.202 --> 00:42:05.563
 this guy phoned in who was
 
 00:42:05.663 --> 00:42:08.005
 an atheist and he wanted to debate him.
 
 00:42:10.626 --> 00:42:11.867
 So the very next day it
 
 00:42:11.927 --> 00:42:14.610
 wasn't Bigfoot Atheist anymore.
 
 00:42:14.650 --> 00:42:17.231
 It was Bigfoot Scientific or something.
 
 00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:20.900
 scientific sasquatch yeah
 
 00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:22.121
 well he was really
 
 00:42:22.201 --> 00:42:23.322
 streaming off there for a
 
 00:42:23.382 --> 00:42:24.362
 while for a while that we
 
 00:42:24.382 --> 00:42:25.523
 did a couple programs where
 
 00:42:25.563 --> 00:42:26.702
 sasquatch wasn't even the
 
 00:42:26.742 --> 00:42:29.505
 topic oh no and they were
 
 00:42:29.585 --> 00:42:30.625
 probably the most fun
 
 00:42:31.505 --> 00:42:34.487
 programs our uh joe says
 
 00:42:35.208 --> 00:42:36.829
 says wait a minute what was
 
 00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:39.530
 not a bigfoot show that was
 
 00:42:39.570 --> 00:42:40.351
 for anything else that
 
 00:42:40.371 --> 00:42:41.690
 caught his interest
 
 00:42:42.592 --> 00:42:43.552
 anything else that made him
 
 00:42:43.612 --> 00:42:46.454
 go what you know in in
 
 00:42:47.389 --> 00:42:49.309
 had an interest of his and
 
 00:42:49.610 --> 00:42:51.351
 other fields and other
 
 00:42:51.371 --> 00:42:52.391
 things he found fun.
 
 00:42:53.271 --> 00:42:54.371
 That's what that show was for.
 
 00:42:54.512 --> 00:42:55.351
 It wasn't typically,
 
 00:42:55.371 --> 00:42:57.592
 it wasn't to be the big, a Bigfoot show.
 
 00:42:57.833 --> 00:42:58.813
 Cause he already had one or
 
 00:42:58.853 --> 00:43:01.735
 two of those floating around already.
 
 00:43:03.815 --> 00:43:04.175
 Yeah.
 
 00:43:04.195 --> 00:43:05.637
 But I mean, he was,
 
 00:43:05.677 --> 00:43:07.117
 he was a genuine and
 
 00:43:07.197 --> 00:43:08.518
 authentic and I had more
 
 00:43:08.577 --> 00:43:09.918
 fun listening to him not
 
 00:43:10.018 --> 00:43:11.639
 talk about Sasquatch than
 
 00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:13.000
 listening to anybody else
 
 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.240
 actually talking about Sasquatch.
 
 00:43:16.362 --> 00:43:18.043
 He could start a show off by like,
 
 00:43:18.083 --> 00:43:18.463
 you know,
 
 00:43:18.983 --> 00:43:20.143
 I just got back from the
 
 00:43:20.184 --> 00:43:22.644
 supermarket earlier, about an hour ago.
 
 00:43:22.664 --> 00:43:23.126
 And you know,
 
 00:43:23.146 --> 00:43:24.826
 the price of bread at the supermarket,
 
 00:43:24.925 --> 00:43:26.246
 and that would be the whole show,
 
 00:43:26.266 --> 00:43:27.467
 the price of bread and
 
 00:43:27.527 --> 00:43:28.947
 everything at a supermarket.
 
 00:43:30.068 --> 00:43:32.168
 He would just ramble on and on.
 
 00:43:33.068 --> 00:43:34.110
 Who was it that said he got
 
 00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:34.909
 drunk one night,
 
 00:43:34.969 --> 00:43:36.490
 sobered up and got drunk again.
 
 00:43:41.733 --> 00:43:42.333
 He was a,
 
 00:43:42.612 --> 00:43:44.833
 he was a very unique and precious guy.
 
 00:43:45.713 --> 00:43:46.253
 He was.
 
 00:43:46.634 --> 00:43:48.394
 I miss him every day.
 
 00:43:49.275 --> 00:43:50.376
 Well, I bet you do.
 
 00:43:50.715 --> 00:43:51.456
 I bet you do.
 
 00:43:52.396 --> 00:43:54.338
 And I was going to play
 
 00:43:55.298 --> 00:43:58.559
 Brent Dill's Memorial to
 
 00:43:58.599 --> 00:43:59.561
 him at the end of the show,
 
 00:43:59.581 --> 00:44:01.001
 but I'll save that for another time.
 
 00:44:01.802 --> 00:44:03.161
 And I think Brent did a
 
 00:44:03.222 --> 00:44:05.724
 masterful job of putting that together.
 
 00:44:05.784 --> 00:44:06.204
 He did.
 
 00:44:09.445 --> 00:44:10.666
 Bill Trackway?
 
 00:44:11.266 --> 00:44:12.487
 Yeah.
 
 00:44:12.567 --> 00:44:14.387
 He just recently put one out.
 
 00:44:15.025 --> 00:44:19.909
 Because we were there for his cremation,
 
 00:44:20.150 --> 00:44:21.610
 his ashes ceremony.
 
 00:44:22.791 --> 00:44:24.552
 Which was a few weeks ago, wasn't it?
 
 00:44:25.393 --> 00:44:26.434
 Yeah.
 
 00:44:26.474 --> 00:44:32.219
 Yeah, we went out and all the, well,
 
 00:44:32.759 --> 00:44:34.340
 they had their truck robbed
 
 00:44:34.561 --> 00:44:36.722
 and all that footage of the
 
 00:44:36.742 --> 00:44:37.382
 stuff was gone.
 
 00:44:38.382 --> 00:44:40.844
 So he put together a
 
 00:44:41.045 --> 00:44:44.327
 wonderful little video instead
 
 00:44:44.809 --> 00:44:46.210
 in celebration of Joe and
 
 00:44:46.311 --> 00:44:48.192
 how the ceremony went,
 
 00:44:48.311 --> 00:44:49.612
 and he did a fabulous job.
 
 00:44:51.672 --> 00:44:52.833
 What I liked and admired
 
 00:44:52.873 --> 00:44:54.195
 about Joe is that he always
 
 00:44:54.255 --> 00:44:55.594
 had time for everybody.
 
 00:44:55.614 --> 00:44:57.596
 He always had time, you know.
 
 00:44:57.956 --> 00:44:59.097
 You send him a text,
 
 00:44:59.797 --> 00:45:01.297
 depending on how busy he is,
 
 00:45:01.358 --> 00:45:02.398
 he'll be back to you in
 
 00:45:02.498 --> 00:45:04.099
 either two minutes or two hours,
 
 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:05.300
 but he'll get back to you
 
 00:45:05.980 --> 00:45:07.181
 every single time.
 
 00:45:08.081 --> 00:45:09.081
 And I mean,
 
 00:45:09.161 --> 00:45:11.322
 myself and him had some long
 
 00:45:11.402 --> 00:45:14.324
 exchanges on text about
 
 00:45:14.425 --> 00:45:15.864
 different things of concern
 
 00:45:16.726 --> 00:45:18.286
 in the Sasquatch community
 
 00:45:18.447 --> 00:45:20.708
 or just podcasting or what have you.
 
 00:45:22.889 --> 00:45:25.670
 His close-up encounter was fascinating.
 
 00:45:26.630 --> 00:45:27.291
 That is.
 
 00:45:27.391 --> 00:45:28.351
 I still like to get a
 
 00:45:28.431 --> 00:45:30.072
 T-shirt with Rasta on it.
 
 00:45:30.112 --> 00:45:31.914
 That's a classic.
 
 00:45:32.373 --> 00:45:33.875
 I don't know if the store is
 
 00:45:33.934 --> 00:45:34.775
 still there or not.
 
 00:45:37.713 --> 00:45:38.293
 I don't know.
 
 00:45:38.693 --> 00:45:40.454
 But I mean,
 
 00:45:40.675 --> 00:45:44.777
 we still carry his show that
 
 00:45:45.177 --> 00:45:46.836
 the four or five of us did
 
 00:45:46.896 --> 00:45:48.657
 during the interview a few
 
 00:45:48.697 --> 00:45:49.938
 weeks before he passed.
 
 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.400
 And that's still on the Book Boss crew.
 
 00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:56.221
 It's still the very first
 
 00:45:56.501 --> 00:45:58.802
 video you see when you come to the site.
 
 00:45:59.759 --> 00:46:01.260
 And I promised him that it
 
 00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:02.721
 will always be the very
 
 00:46:02.780 --> 00:46:04.222
 first video you see when
 
 00:46:04.262 --> 00:46:05.362
 you come to the site.
 
 00:46:05.443 --> 00:46:07.083
 As long as the site exists,
 
 00:46:07.744 --> 00:46:08.905
 that's where it'll be.
 
 00:46:10.045 --> 00:46:12.626
 And a number of times I thought,
 
 00:46:12.686 --> 00:46:13.387
 I'll just sit back.
 
 00:46:13.447 --> 00:46:15.068
 It's only two and a half hours long.
 
 00:46:15.289 --> 00:46:16.610
 I'll just sit back and
 
 00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:19.070
 peruse through it again.
 
 00:46:19.190 --> 00:46:20.911
 And I never seemed to make it.
 
 00:46:21.652 --> 00:46:22.753
 I never seemed to make it.
 
 00:46:25.735 --> 00:46:26.996
 I mean, you know, just,
 
 00:46:29.764 --> 00:46:33.025
 As many times as I heard Joe
 
 00:46:35.045 --> 00:46:38.706
 speak his experience, every single time,
 
 00:46:39.427 --> 00:46:40.047
 he was there.
 
 00:46:40.407 --> 00:46:42.947
 It was still like he was looking at it.
 
 00:46:44.248 --> 00:46:45.088
 You could see it.
 
 00:46:45.168 --> 00:46:46.648
 It was visceral when he
 
 00:46:46.668 --> 00:46:47.409
 would tell the story.
 
 00:46:48.088 --> 00:46:51.130
 Yeah, I mean, you talk about Bob and...
 
 00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.242
 the PG film and everything
 
 00:47:01.342 --> 00:47:03.103
 and how you believe in Bob
 
 00:47:03.123 --> 00:47:04.085
 when he looks into your
 
 00:47:04.224 --> 00:47:05.786
 eyes and talks to you.
 
 00:47:06.708 --> 00:47:08.568
 That was the same thing I got from Joe.
 
 00:47:08.610 --> 00:47:09.911
 How could you look at Joe
 
 00:47:10.030 --> 00:47:13.273
 and encompass his body language, his eyes,
 
 00:47:13.373 --> 00:47:14.434
 his expressions,
 
 00:47:15.295 --> 00:47:17.197
 and not really want to take
 
 00:47:17.277 --> 00:47:18.759
 the guy seriously?
 
 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.282
 He really did experience this.
 
 00:47:23.353 --> 00:47:25.175
 I can't say what he experienced.
 
 00:47:25.295 --> 00:47:26.155
 I wasn't there,
 
 00:47:26.474 --> 00:47:27.454
 but he sure as heck
 
 00:47:27.514 --> 00:47:29.715
 experienced something very
 
 00:47:29.795 --> 00:47:32.777
 profound that changed his whole life.
 
 00:47:33.958 --> 00:47:34.117
 Yep.
 
 00:47:34.818 --> 00:47:36.217
 And you don't get that from a hoax.
 
 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.559
 You get that from actually
 
 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:39.739
 seeing something and
 
 00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:41.480
 believing what you're seeing 100%.
 
 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:42.920
 Yeah.
 
 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:45.302
 I think, you know, I've,
 
 00:47:46.601 --> 00:47:48.182
 I've heard people come on
 
 00:47:48.202 --> 00:47:52.023
 to shows and tell their experiences and
 
 00:47:54.181 --> 00:47:55.561
 some of them ring really
 
 00:47:55.621 --> 00:47:57.284
 true like Joe's and some of
 
 00:47:57.344 --> 00:47:58.445
 them ring pretty hollow.
 
 00:47:59.726 --> 00:48:00.827
 You just have your own
 
 00:48:00.867 --> 00:48:02.728
 discretion as to what you believe in,
 
 00:48:02.748 --> 00:48:03.789
 what you don't believe as
 
 00:48:03.829 --> 00:48:05.030
 far as what people tell you,
 
 00:48:05.489 --> 00:48:06.710
 but they have the right to
 
 00:48:06.751 --> 00:48:08.592
 believe if they truly believe it,
 
 00:48:09.673 --> 00:48:10.594
 you know, that's,
 
 00:48:10.614 --> 00:48:13.356
 that's all there is to that, you know?
 
 00:48:13.597 --> 00:48:14.177
 Well, yeah.
 
 00:48:14.297 --> 00:48:14.958
 I mean, like, uh,
 
 00:48:16.945 --> 00:48:19.246
 do you or I have any right
 
 00:48:19.367 --> 00:48:21.967
 to disprove them if they're not hoaxing?
 
 00:48:22.068 --> 00:48:23.528
 If they sincerely believe
 
 00:48:23.568 --> 00:48:25.268
 they did see something, well,
 
 00:48:26.590 --> 00:48:27.510
 I guess you saw it.
 
 00:48:27.570 --> 00:48:29.050
 I can't prove you didn't see it.
 
 00:48:29.791 --> 00:48:30.791
 So, you know,
 
 00:48:32.052 --> 00:48:34.793
 and there was such unique
 
 00:48:34.813 --> 00:48:36.813
 characteristics about Rasta though,
 
 00:48:36.853 --> 00:48:38.715
 physically and everything like that.
 
 00:48:38.875 --> 00:48:38.994
 It's...
 
 00:48:41.217 --> 00:48:42.539
 It's quite unique.
 
 00:48:42.778 --> 00:48:43.880
 It's quite unique.
 
 00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:45.280
 It was quite the process to
 
 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:46.440
 draw that out for him, too.
 
 00:48:46.782 --> 00:48:47.382
 Excuse me.
 
 00:48:48.782 --> 00:48:53.525
 It was... He'd give me a general idea,
 
 00:48:53.846 --> 00:48:55.447
 and I'd make an outline.
 
 00:48:55.527 --> 00:48:56.847
 Is this what you mean?
 
 00:48:57.088 --> 00:48:58.409
 No, change this, change that.
 
 00:48:58.528 --> 00:48:59.628
 It was a lot of back and forth,
 
 00:48:59.648 --> 00:49:00.409
 a lot of exchange,
 
 00:49:00.449 --> 00:49:04.211
 a lot of... I told him straight off,
 
 00:49:04.512 --> 00:49:06.653
 I'm like, I'm going to do my best,
 
 00:49:07.353 --> 00:49:08.094
 but you have to...
 
 00:49:09.170 --> 00:49:11.291
 be you know if if it's not
 
 00:49:11.411 --> 00:49:12.371
 right it's not what you
 
 00:49:12.431 --> 00:49:13.552
 want or it's not what you
 
 00:49:13.572 --> 00:49:16.934
 remember just say so you're
 
 00:49:16.954 --> 00:49:17.793
 not going to hurt my
 
 00:49:17.853 --> 00:49:19.554
 feelings this is I'm doing
 
 00:49:19.594 --> 00:49:23.197
 this for for you this needs
 
 00:49:23.217 --> 00:49:24.478
 to be what you want it to
 
 00:49:24.538 --> 00:49:28.559
 be yeah and you know I sent
 
 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.161
 him a little I worked out a
 
 00:49:31.201 --> 00:49:32.061
 little bit and then sent
 
 00:49:32.081 --> 00:49:33.322
 him a picture and he's like
 
 00:49:33.521 --> 00:49:34.902
 no the nose it wasn't like
 
 00:49:34.943 --> 00:49:36.443
 that no this was like this
 
 00:49:36.583 --> 00:49:37.543
 no that was like that
 
 00:49:38.561 --> 00:49:39.021
 Okay, great.
 
 00:49:39.601 --> 00:49:40.581
 Race it, redo it.
 
 00:49:41.782 --> 00:49:42.222
 You know.
 
 00:49:44.063 --> 00:49:44.202
 Well,
 
 00:49:44.242 --> 00:49:45.922
 it's quite unlike any other sketch
 
 00:49:45.983 --> 00:49:49.704
 I've ever seen of any kind of a primate.
 
 00:49:50.463 --> 00:49:55.485
 It's... Yeah, that... Dreadlocks, yeah.
 
 00:49:56.244 --> 00:49:58.246
 I don't know how that could
 
 00:49:58.266 --> 00:49:59.865
 have happened in... Well,
 
 00:50:00.186 --> 00:50:03.005
 I think it's just that it was raining.
 
 00:50:03.686 --> 00:50:03.907
 Yeah.
 
 00:50:04.827 --> 00:50:05.786
 George's encounter was...
 
 00:50:07.088 --> 00:50:08.429
 One of those rare ones,
 
 00:50:08.668 --> 00:50:10.251
 you've only heard a few of
 
 00:50:10.291 --> 00:50:13.833
 them where someone was actually right,
 
 00:50:13.994 --> 00:50:15.474
 almost right next to it and
 
 00:50:15.516 --> 00:50:16.976
 saw the point blank range
 
 00:50:17.077 --> 00:50:18.237
 and was able to observe it
 
 00:50:18.277 --> 00:50:19.239
 for a little while before
 
 00:50:19.298 --> 00:50:21.000
 he lost sight of it.
 
 00:50:21.541 --> 00:50:23.342
 In Joe's case, his retreat.
 
 00:50:24.664 --> 00:50:24.943
 Yeah.
 
 00:50:25.244 --> 00:50:25.483
 Yeah.
 
 00:50:25.905 --> 00:50:27.445
 Advanced to the rear quickly.
 
 00:50:27.885 --> 00:50:29.248
 There is no Sasquatch and
 
 00:50:29.288 --> 00:50:30.449
 there never was a Sasquatch.
 
 00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:32.990
 What Joe Snyder saw, I have no idea.
 
 00:50:35.007 --> 00:50:36.608
 have no idea if the sascha
 
 00:50:36.648 --> 00:50:37.909
 does exist I think it's a
 
 00:50:37.949 --> 00:50:39.349
 very high probability he
 
 00:50:39.429 --> 00:50:40.972
 saw what he thinks he saw
 
 00:50:40.992 --> 00:50:43.373
 well he saw something yeah
 
 00:50:43.393 --> 00:50:45.514
 he saw something I mean
 
 00:50:47.876 --> 00:50:48.617
 jeff would go through
 
 00:50:48.677 --> 00:50:51.199
 phases where that's a big
 
 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.380
 foot is it a big foot I
 
 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.202
 don't know was it is it
 
 00:50:55.222 --> 00:50:57.023
 really do you think it is
 
 00:50:57.344 --> 00:50:58.704
 is it for you is that what
 
 00:50:58.744 --> 00:51:00.485
 that was for you he's like
 
 00:51:00.525 --> 00:51:01.626
 for me that's what it was
 
 00:51:01.706 --> 00:51:02.907
 I'm like well then that's what it was
 
 00:51:03.530 --> 00:51:04.510
 I like what he said to me.
 
 00:51:04.550 --> 00:51:05.110
 He told me,
 
 00:51:05.952 --> 00:51:07.172
 I can't think of what else it
 
 00:51:07.273 --> 00:51:07.813
 could have been.
 
 00:51:09.313 --> 00:51:09.534
 Yeah.
 
 00:51:11.655 --> 00:51:11.775
 Yep.
 
 00:51:15.798 --> 00:51:17.159
 Either way, we'll never know.
 
 00:51:17.561 --> 00:51:19.621
 But it was a great teaser
 
 00:51:19.742 --> 00:51:23.204
 into the whole subject of Sasquatch.
 
 00:51:25.547 --> 00:51:25.927
 Yeah.
 
 00:51:26.507 --> 00:51:29.610
 And I mean, if you see this,
 
 00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:30.871
 I got to thank you, Jeff,
 
 00:51:30.931 --> 00:51:32.211
 for putting it all together.
 
 00:51:33.192 --> 00:51:38.135
 And it was a nice job.
 
 00:51:38.237 --> 00:51:39.137
 It was a nice job.
 
 00:51:39.177 --> 00:51:41.920
 That'll last the ages, that interview.
 
 00:51:43.221 --> 00:51:45.163
 And I'm sure most people who
 
 00:51:45.222 --> 00:51:46.443
 look at it will also
 
 00:51:46.483 --> 00:51:48.525
 believe in it as well.
 
 00:51:48.545 --> 00:51:50.907
 I hate to use that word, believe,
 
 00:51:50.927 --> 00:51:53.228
 because of the connotations
 
 00:51:53.269 --> 00:51:54.070
 that go with it.
 
 00:51:57.170 --> 00:51:58.331
 I believe that he saw
 
 00:51:58.391 --> 00:52:00.192
 something and it was highly
 
 00:52:00.351 --> 00:52:01.311
 within the realm of
 
 00:52:01.432 --> 00:52:04.193
 possibility that it was a
 
 00:52:05.994 --> 00:52:07.873
 primate of some sort.
 
 00:52:07.893 --> 00:52:09.054
 What kind, I don't know,
 
 00:52:09.074 --> 00:52:11.396
 but how many kinds can be running around,
 
 00:52:11.456 --> 00:52:11.715
 hey?
 
 00:52:14.016 --> 00:52:17.978
 It's, well, maybe it was a homeless,
 
 00:52:19.257 --> 00:52:19.717
 you know.
 
 00:52:19.737 --> 00:52:22.679
 A homeless hominid.
 
 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:24.659
 A homeless hominid.
 
 00:52:26.909 --> 00:52:28.510
 well I don't know but but
 
 00:52:28.630 --> 00:52:29.751
 one thing I do know it sure
 
 00:52:29.791 --> 00:52:30.871
 scared the hell out of him
 
 00:52:30.931 --> 00:52:33.134
 when it happened well he
 
 00:52:33.153 --> 00:52:37.077
 was not a calm observer he
 
 00:52:37.097 --> 00:52:38.579
 was in a terrifying
 
 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.262
 situation which um I don't
 
 00:52:43.302 --> 00:52:44.463
 know did you ever get your
 
 00:52:44.523 --> 00:52:48.987
 train back again bill nope
 
 00:52:49.027 --> 00:52:50.027
 just been listening to you
 
 00:52:50.068 --> 00:52:51.309
 guys that's fine
 
 00:52:55.443 --> 00:52:58.385
 Now, Jen, in Washington last summer,
 
 00:52:59.784 --> 00:53:01.925
 which is just a year ago now,
 
 00:53:02.166 --> 00:53:02.865
 as a matter of fact,
 
 00:53:02.905 --> 00:53:03.766
 last year at this time,
 
 00:53:03.786 --> 00:53:05.106
 we were just getting ready to go.
 
 00:53:05.126 --> 00:53:09.507
 I understand the night,
 
 00:53:09.987 --> 00:53:11.527
 and I've heard this story from Nikki,
 
 00:53:11.568 --> 00:53:13.447
 and I want to get your perspective on it.
 
 00:53:14.387 --> 00:53:17.028
 The night after myself and Brent left,
 
 00:53:18.068 --> 00:53:19.449
 you had a bit of excitement
 
 00:53:19.489 --> 00:53:20.369
 around your tent.
 
 00:53:20.429 --> 00:53:21.570
 What was that all about?
 
 00:53:24.610 --> 00:53:24.831
 Well,
 
 00:53:26.713 --> 00:53:29.835
 um nikki and dakota and I
 
 00:53:30.175 --> 00:53:33.376
 were hanging out by the
 
 00:53:33.396 --> 00:53:37.759
 fire ring every um jay and
 
 00:53:37.798 --> 00:53:39.460
 manda had gone to bed you
 
 00:53:39.500 --> 00:53:41.621
 and brent were gone mike
 
 00:53:42.222 --> 00:53:43.782
 mike and everybody papa and
 
 00:53:43.822 --> 00:53:45.063
 they were all over on the
 
 00:53:45.103 --> 00:53:46.623
 other side in their camp
 
 00:53:48.063 --> 00:53:49.144
 and we're sitting and we're
 
 00:53:49.164 --> 00:53:50.425
 just chit-chatting and
 
 00:53:52.286 --> 00:53:55.487
 there's a a noise from the brush
 
 00:53:59.096 --> 00:53:59.996
 to, well,
 
 00:54:00.356 --> 00:54:03.280
 if you're standing at the fire
 
 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.362
 ring in the center to the
 
 00:54:05.402 --> 00:54:07.164
 side where the creek entrance was,
 
 00:54:08.826 --> 00:54:09.405
 back in there,
 
 00:54:09.766 --> 00:54:12.869
 there was a Dakota and Nikki heard it.
 
 00:54:13.630 --> 00:54:17.974
 There was like a bruh sound.
 
 00:54:19.096 --> 00:54:19.797
 Growly sound.
 
 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:22.880
 And
 
 00:54:27.903 --> 00:54:28.384
 Okay,
 
 00:54:28.443 --> 00:54:30.844
 so we kept on hanging out and talking,
 
 00:54:30.925 --> 00:54:33.226
 and eventually it got late,
 
 00:54:33.427 --> 00:54:34.827
 and we were like, all right,
 
 00:54:35.588 --> 00:54:36.168
 call it a night.
 
 00:54:36.188 --> 00:54:40.271
 And we all went to our tents
 
 00:54:40.291 --> 00:54:42.773
 and went to bed, and then I woke up.
 
 00:54:44.273 --> 00:54:45.375
 I coughed, and I woke up,
 
 00:54:45.635 --> 00:54:46.675
 and then Nikki goes,
 
 00:54:46.916 --> 00:54:48.356
 there's something in the trash.
 
 00:54:50.157 --> 00:54:51.137
 I said, okay.
 
 00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:55.240
 And I just sat there listening.
 
 00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:58.260
 See if you can, you know,
 
 00:54:58.641 --> 00:55:01.422
 hear a bear or any kind of noise.
 
 00:55:03.884 --> 00:55:10.668
 And then I hear three
 
 00:55:10.748 --> 00:55:12.088
 footsteps come across the
 
 00:55:12.128 --> 00:55:16.751
 gravel to the corner side of my tent.
 
 00:55:17.833 --> 00:55:19.074
 And Monda's truck was parked
 
 00:55:19.094 --> 00:55:20.894
 there and that game trail
 
 00:55:21.094 --> 00:55:22.135
 ran behind my tent.
 
 00:55:24.818 --> 00:55:26.778
 And I hear crunch, crunch, crunch.
 
 00:55:30.998 --> 00:55:31.677
 Bump the truck.
 
 00:55:34.338 --> 00:55:36.659
 And at that point I went, Oh,
 
 00:55:37.420 --> 00:55:37.840
 that's interesting.
 
 00:55:40.101 --> 00:55:42.742
 So I slowly got my phone and
 
 00:55:42.822 --> 00:55:45.601
 stuck it inside the bag,
 
 00:55:45.842 --> 00:55:48.842
 the sleeping bag and turn
 
 00:55:48.862 --> 00:55:49.603
 the recorder on.
 
 00:55:49.643 --> 00:55:50.483
 So it wouldn't light up the
 
 00:55:50.523 --> 00:55:55.085
 tent and set it down to let it record.
 
 00:55:56.786 --> 00:55:57.186
 And, um,
 
 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.581
 There was movement around my
 
 00:56:00.661 --> 00:56:02.282
 tent and apparently over at
 
 00:56:02.461 --> 00:56:04.382
 Nikki's tent and Dakota's tent.
 
 00:56:06.284 --> 00:56:10.766
 Um... Dakota heard mumbling
 
 00:56:11.547 --> 00:56:12.867
 and something pushed on the
 
 00:56:12.907 --> 00:56:15.409
 side of his tent and woke
 
 00:56:15.449 --> 00:56:17.811
 him up and he could hear, like, mumble,
 
 00:56:18.271 --> 00:56:19.572
 mumbly voices and he
 
 00:56:21.572 --> 00:56:22.333
 listened to that for a
 
 00:56:22.353 --> 00:56:23.653
 little bit and he's just like, meh,
 
 00:56:23.793 --> 00:56:24.594
 and he went back to bed.
 
 00:56:26.795 --> 00:56:26.896
 Um...
 
 00:56:29.588 --> 00:56:34.971
 Nikki had the chop thing happen to her.
 
 00:56:38.773 --> 00:56:39.733
 My tent,
 
 00:56:41.494 --> 00:56:42.815
 I heard something kind of moving
 
 00:56:42.936 --> 00:56:45.818
 behind my tent, and I moved.
 
 00:56:47.978 --> 00:56:51.061
 And as I moved, it's on my recording,
 
 00:56:51.141 --> 00:56:51.420
 actually.
 
 00:56:51.481 --> 00:56:52.322
 You hear me go,
 
 00:56:52.882 --> 00:56:55.943
 my bedding move a little bit,
 
 00:56:56.503 --> 00:56:58.606
 and then from right behind me, you hear,
 
 00:56:59.106 --> 00:56:59.186
 oh.
 
 00:57:02.394 --> 00:57:03.496
 And then there's the tote
 
 00:57:03.536 --> 00:57:04.697
 that was between the two of us.
 
 00:57:04.996 --> 00:57:06.297
 Between our tent, my tent,
 
 00:57:06.318 --> 00:57:06.818
 and Nikki's tent,
 
 00:57:06.838 --> 00:57:08.159
 there was a tote with a
 
 00:57:08.179 --> 00:57:08.900
 sleeping bag in it.
 
 00:57:10.942 --> 00:57:12.523
 And you hear that moving and
 
 00:57:12.623 --> 00:57:14.525
 sliding back and forth in the dirt.
 
 00:57:15.065 --> 00:57:16.447
 Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch.
 
 00:57:17.608 --> 00:57:22.291
 And then Sibylla shook her
 
 00:57:22.331 --> 00:57:27.376
 head in where Jay and Mondo
 
 00:57:27.396 --> 00:57:27.916
 were sleeping.
 
 00:57:27.936 --> 00:57:30.619
 And you heard her collar jingle.
 
 00:57:32.431 --> 00:57:33.532
 and as soon as that happened
 
 00:57:33.592 --> 00:57:34.954
 that tote that was crunch
 
 00:57:35.034 --> 00:57:40.677
 crunch crunch went and
 
 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:48.922
 nikki I think was making
 
 00:57:48.942 --> 00:57:51.483
 her videos I was just I
 
 00:57:51.523 --> 00:57:53.324
 just stayed quiet and let
 
 00:57:53.385 --> 00:57:56.927
 the phone run um I did get
 
 00:57:56.967 --> 00:58:01.309
 a little whiff of skunky smell um
 
 00:58:03.755 --> 00:58:05.835
 It was came through and it
 
 00:58:05.876 --> 00:58:06.757
 wasn't super strong,
 
 00:58:07.657 --> 00:58:09.518
 kind of floated through and it was gone.
 
 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.221
 And then when we got up in the morning,
 
 00:58:18.222 --> 00:58:19.702
 walked around and there is
 
 00:58:20.684 --> 00:58:23.244
 footprints all over the
 
 00:58:23.284 --> 00:58:26.987
 place with water rings all around them.
 
 00:58:28.847 --> 00:58:29.628
 You know,
 
 00:58:29.668 --> 00:58:32.010
 walked around and took pictures of those.
 
 00:58:33.833 --> 00:58:37.295
 um there was a bigger set
 
 00:58:37.454 --> 00:58:39.536
 next to the truck back into
 
 00:58:39.556 --> 00:58:41.056
 the truck on the wood side
 
 00:58:42.297 --> 00:58:45.619
 there's a set there near
 
 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.500
 the trash bag and there
 
 00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:51.320
 were smaller smaller ones
 
 00:58:51.882 --> 00:58:53.402
 and they were all over the
 
 00:58:53.422 --> 00:58:54.983
 place they're up by
 
 00:58:55.003 --> 00:58:56.103
 dakota's tent they were by
 
 00:58:56.163 --> 00:58:59.244
 my tent there by nikki's tent um
 
 00:59:02.853 --> 00:59:04.614
 in amongst the chair circle.
 
 00:59:09.117 --> 00:59:12.557
 And we got up and we expected, you know,
 
 00:59:12.597 --> 00:59:14.579
 the kitchen area to be trashed,
 
 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.079
 like just stuff everywhere.
 
 00:59:18.541 --> 00:59:18.820
 Wasn't.
 
 00:59:22.103 --> 00:59:23.083
 A little critter had come in
 
 00:59:23.123 --> 00:59:24.103
 at some point because the
 
 00:59:24.123 --> 00:59:25.123
 bottom of the bag was
 
 00:59:25.143 --> 00:59:26.684
 chewed apart a little bit.
 
 00:59:28.565 --> 00:59:29.545
 But we found the foil
 
 00:59:29.585 --> 00:59:31.547
 packets from the barbecue.
 
 00:59:34.318 --> 00:59:35.518
 were taken out of the trash
 
 00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:37.559
 and they were open not
 
 00:59:37.659 --> 00:59:43.362
 shredded open and they were
 
 00:59:43.463 --> 00:59:45.382
 clean and some of them were
 
 00:59:45.422 --> 00:59:46.304
 on the ground some of them
 
 00:59:46.324 --> 00:59:47.304
 were back in the back of
 
 00:59:47.324 --> 00:59:48.264
 the truck some of them were
 
 00:59:51.146 --> 00:59:53.447
 back in the trash bag um
 
 00:59:55.068 --> 00:59:56.009
 and then the rotisserie
 
 00:59:56.028 --> 00:59:59.250
 chicken bag was down by the
 
 00:59:59.349 --> 01:00:00.690
 creek it wasn't
 
 01:00:02.030 --> 01:00:02.550
 chewed on.
 
 01:00:03.010 --> 01:00:04.172
 It wasn't ripped up.
 
 01:00:04.952 --> 01:00:06.813
 But all the chicken bones
 
 01:00:06.893 --> 01:00:08.353
 and stuff that Jay had put
 
 01:00:08.414 --> 01:00:09.693
 in there were gone.
 
 01:00:13.034 --> 01:00:15.195
 It was just, you know,
 
 01:00:15.255 --> 01:00:18.577
 got up and Nikki's telling
 
 01:00:18.617 --> 01:00:19.677
 me what she heard.
 
 01:00:19.697 --> 01:00:22.119
 I'm telling her what I heard.
 
 01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:23.679
 Then Dakota came down and he
 
 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:24.880
 told us what he heard.
 
 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.802
 And we walked around and took pictures and
 
 01:00:33.112 --> 01:00:34.913
 talked amongst ourselves about, well,
 
 01:00:35.574 --> 01:00:36.353
 what do we do with that?
 
 01:00:37.795 --> 01:00:38.054
 You know?
 
 01:00:38.074 --> 01:00:43.998
 I find it a bit surprising
 
 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.940
 that not so much on the
 
 01:00:46.001 --> 01:00:47.181
 part of you and Nikki
 
 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.302
 because of the situation you were in,
 
 01:00:50.603 --> 01:00:52.344
 physical situation you were
 
 01:00:52.405 --> 01:00:53.224
 in in the tent,
 
 01:00:54.045 --> 01:00:56.487
 but I find it unusual that
 
 01:00:57.492 --> 01:00:59.413
 Dakota didn't even bother to
 
 01:00:59.512 --> 01:01:00.733
 stick a flashlight out
 
 01:01:00.773 --> 01:01:05.293
 there to see what was going on in camp.
 
 01:01:05.375 --> 01:01:07.215
 Turn over and go back to sleep again.
 
 01:01:07.875 --> 01:01:10.255
 He woke up and he heard
 
 01:01:10.315 --> 01:01:11.836
 something pushing on the
 
 01:01:11.916 --> 01:01:14.137
 side of his tent structure.
 
 01:01:15.378 --> 01:01:17.597
 He sat up and he listened
 
 01:01:18.978 --> 01:01:20.079
 and he heard like mumbling
 
 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:22.420
 voices and he just said, nope.
 
 01:01:26.632 --> 01:01:28.014
 Well, I don't understand this.
 
 01:01:28.094 --> 01:01:29.876
 What was the German shepherd's name again?
 
 01:01:30.657 --> 01:01:31.117
 Sibylla.
 
 01:01:31.818 --> 01:01:32.237
 Sibylla.
 
 01:01:32.577 --> 01:01:33.639
 She barked at everything.
 
 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.262
 Why did she not react?
 
 01:01:38.123 --> 01:01:39.925
 Whether it was Sasquatch or a raccoon,
 
 01:01:39.985 --> 01:01:41.326
 I'm surprised she didn't bark.
 
 01:01:42.527 --> 01:01:47.251
 She had allergies.
 
 01:01:47.351 --> 01:01:49.512
 They gave her allergy meds before bed.
 
 01:01:50.012 --> 01:01:50.653
 Okay, because you
 
 01:01:51.465 --> 01:01:52.925
 You heard her collar moving,
 
 01:01:52.965 --> 01:01:56.288
 so she... Yeah, she got up and scratched.
 
 01:01:56.347 --> 01:01:57.748
 I could hear her ears flop
 
 01:01:57.829 --> 01:01:59.210
 and her collar jingle on her.
 
 01:01:59.710 --> 01:01:59.949
 Yeah.
 
 01:02:00.831 --> 01:02:02.130
 And then she was quiet again.
 
 01:02:06.094 --> 01:02:07.173
 How long would you say all
 
 01:02:07.193 --> 01:02:08.474
 of this went on for, Jen?
 
 01:02:10.596 --> 01:02:13.057
 Oh... Start to finish.
 
 01:02:17.059 --> 01:02:19.081
 Well... What time of night was it?
 
 01:02:19.121 --> 01:02:19.942
 Let's start there.
 
 01:02:23.507 --> 01:02:24.547
 the recording.
 
 01:02:24.567 --> 01:02:31.771
 I turned off the recorder at
 
 01:02:31.771 --> 01:02:32.791
 320 something in the
 
 01:02:32.831 --> 01:02:34.152
 morning because that's the
 
 01:02:34.231 --> 01:02:37.112
 time I believe is 323 or something.
 
 01:02:37.213 --> 01:02:37.574
 I don't know.
 
 01:02:38.713 --> 01:02:41.835
 So it was noises on and off.
 
 01:02:46.177 --> 01:02:46.998
 Probably for
 
 01:02:52.583 --> 01:02:53.623
 an hour, hour and a half.
 
 01:02:56.405 --> 01:02:57.487
 So I'm thinking we went to
 
 01:02:57.547 --> 01:03:00.748
 bed probably around 1230 going on one.
 
 01:03:02.690 --> 01:03:04.251
 In that general area,
 
 01:03:04.371 --> 01:03:06.273
 I'm not positive is the exact time.
 
 01:03:06.393 --> 01:03:08.074
 Yeah.
 
 01:03:09.536 --> 01:03:10.097
 And then.
 
 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:17.302
 Yeah, I wasn't asleep real long.
 
 01:03:18.684 --> 01:03:19.784
 When and when I.
 
 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.001
 coughed and I woke myself up
 
 01:03:24.141 --> 01:03:25.561
 and that's when nikki said
 
 01:03:25.601 --> 01:03:26.342
 there's something in the
 
 01:03:26.362 --> 01:03:27.563
 trash or something in the
 
 01:03:27.583 --> 01:03:34.025
 kitchen and um it was a
 
 01:03:34.065 --> 01:03:36.286
 good few minutes before I
 
 01:03:36.347 --> 01:03:37.967
 heard the footsteps and the
 
 01:03:38.369 --> 01:03:42.331
 boom in the pool next to my
 
 01:03:42.371 --> 01:03:45.713
 tent and after I heard the
 
 01:03:45.793 --> 01:03:49.173
 walking I was like well
 
 01:03:50.835 --> 01:03:52.016
 that's one of two things
 
 01:03:53.722 --> 01:03:54.422
 And either way,
 
 01:03:56.864 --> 01:03:58.025
 probably document it
 
 01:03:58.125 --> 01:04:02.266
 because if it's either of
 
 01:04:02.306 --> 01:04:04.907
 those two things that are walking around,
 
 01:04:07.188 --> 01:04:09.007
 you know, something goes sideways,
 
 01:04:09.027 --> 01:04:10.409
 at least there's documentation of it.
 
 01:04:11.289 --> 01:04:11.628
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:12.690 --> 01:04:12.989
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:13.510 --> 01:04:13.789
 Thomas,
 
 01:04:13.809 --> 01:04:15.771
 did you ever see pictures of those
 
 01:04:15.811 --> 01:04:16.291
 footprints?
 
 01:04:17.630 --> 01:04:17.911
 Yes.
 
 01:04:18.010 --> 01:04:18.731
 When they were,
 
 01:04:18.751 --> 01:04:20.251
 when Nikki was posting them, I saw them.
 
 01:04:20.271 --> 01:04:20.351
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:21.853 --> 01:04:22.592
 What did you think?
 
 01:04:24.226 --> 01:04:24.726
 Who knows?
 
 01:04:24.826 --> 01:04:25.086
 I mean,
 
 01:04:25.106 --> 01:04:27.568
 they weren't like the track we were
 
 01:04:27.608 --> 01:04:29.389
 looking at the first day I got there,
 
 01:04:29.429 --> 01:04:32.811
 or more shaped like the
 
 01:04:33.331 --> 01:04:34.552
 track Jen thought she found
 
 01:04:34.612 --> 01:04:35.652
 on the second day.
 
 01:04:36.974 --> 01:04:39.115
 But I don't know what to make of them,
 
 01:04:39.175 --> 01:04:39.896
 quite frankly.
 
 01:04:39.936 --> 01:04:40.757
 There could be a dozen
 
 01:04:40.836 --> 01:04:42.036
 explanations for them.
 
 01:04:43.458 --> 01:04:44.498
 I was just annoyed that all
 
 01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:46.480
 this happened the night after I left.
 
 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:47.641
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:48.340 --> 01:04:48.460
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:48.481 --> 01:04:50.882
 Yeah, that's what Nikki said, too.
 
 01:04:51.023 --> 01:04:52.563
 She's like, Tom's going to be so pissed.
 
 01:04:53.264 --> 01:04:53.385
 Yeah.
 
 01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.681
 Your reputation preceded you.
 
 01:04:59.822 --> 01:05:01.282
 They waited until you were gone.
 
 01:05:01.302 --> 01:05:01.862
 Yeah,
 
 01:05:01.963 --> 01:05:04.364
 me and Brent left the evening before
 
 01:05:04.425 --> 01:05:06.606
 because I had to get back to Canada.
 
 01:05:06.666 --> 01:05:08.588
 My BCAA was going to run out.
 
 01:05:09.327 --> 01:05:10.068
 It's time to go.
 
 01:05:11.168 --> 01:05:14.030
 Been there a week.
 
 01:05:14.150 --> 01:05:16.373
 A lot of fascinating searching and stuff,
 
 01:05:16.413 --> 01:05:18.815
 but nothing really solid being found.
 
 01:05:18.894 --> 01:05:20.315
 And sure enough,
 
 01:05:20.376 --> 01:05:22.197
 the morning after we'd gone,
 
 01:05:22.217 --> 01:05:23.998
 we hear that something was in the camp.
 
 01:05:25.798 --> 01:05:26.880
 Possibly, yeah.
 
 01:05:27.929 --> 01:05:28.311
 Yeah.
 
 01:05:28.331 --> 01:05:34.273
 Oh, I mean, the smaller,
 
 01:05:37.876 --> 01:05:43.059
 smaller little Gatorade bottles,
 
 01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:47.081
 the like the little 1632 ounce ones,
 
 01:05:47.961 --> 01:05:49.242
 ones that are kind of like that size.
 
 01:05:50.003 --> 01:05:50.903
 Yeah, little ones.
 
 01:05:52.505 --> 01:05:53.646
 We had those.
 
 01:05:54.246 --> 01:05:55.766
 So I put those down next to
 
 01:05:57.172 --> 01:05:59.054
 We use that for like a scale.
 
 01:05:59.855 --> 01:06:01.516
 And the footprints were only
 
 01:06:01.536 --> 01:06:02.496
 about as big as the bottle.
 
 01:06:05.217 --> 01:06:08.619
 And then the ones at the
 
 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.101
 back side of Jay's truck
 
 01:06:13.463 --> 01:06:14.884
 were the bottle and a half.
 
 01:06:16.565 --> 01:06:17.005
 Okay.
 
 01:06:18.465 --> 01:06:19.967
 But all the other ones that
 
 01:06:20.027 --> 01:06:21.668
 were down by Dakota's tent
 
 01:06:22.028 --> 01:06:24.170
 and by Nikki's tent and in
 
 01:06:24.210 --> 01:06:25.570
 amongst the chairs were all
 
 01:06:26.623 --> 01:06:27.164
 This size.
 
 01:06:29.585 --> 01:06:31.405
 Makes you think that they
 
 01:06:31.445 --> 01:06:32.925
 were rummaging around your
 
 01:06:33.065 --> 01:06:34.585
 campsite area for quite
 
 01:06:34.626 --> 01:06:36.686
 some time to leave all of those prints.
 
 01:06:37.626 --> 01:06:38.686
 And they were still wet.
 
 01:06:39.806 --> 01:06:40.206
 Yeah.
 
 01:06:40.586 --> 01:06:41.907
 So they came up from the creek.
 
 01:06:43.068 --> 01:06:43.208
 Yeah.
 
 01:06:43.228 --> 01:06:46.329
 Because you could see around
 
 01:06:46.369 --> 01:06:47.489
 the outside of the
 
 01:06:47.509 --> 01:06:51.269
 footprint the drip marks from the water.
 
 01:06:52.610 --> 01:06:54.431
 Like, so...
 
 01:06:56.721 --> 01:06:57.922
 must have been you didn't
 
 01:06:57.961 --> 01:06:58.882
 find anything that looked
 
 01:06:58.922 --> 01:07:00.983
 like a large barefoot print
 
 01:07:01.063 --> 01:07:02.664
 did you I mean not I didn't
 
 01:07:02.704 --> 01:07:03.505
 see that in nikki's
 
 01:07:03.565 --> 01:07:09.349
 pictures um the bigger ones
 
 01:07:12.851 --> 01:07:18.056
 by jay's truck were deeper
 
 01:07:19.637 --> 01:07:21.938
 and it looked like almost like
 
 01:07:22.742 --> 01:07:24.003
 It had a little shuffling
 
 01:07:24.063 --> 01:07:25.885
 effect because there was a
 
 01:07:25.925 --> 01:07:27.246
 little mound of dirt built up.
 
 01:07:28.246 --> 01:07:30.068
 But in some of those, you could see toes.
 
 01:07:33.371 --> 01:07:35.353
 You could see where the toes were.
 
 01:07:35.373 --> 01:07:41.039
 That's interesting.
 
 01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:42.420
 Some of the smaller ones,
 
 01:07:42.621 --> 01:07:45.784
 when we first got up in the
 
 01:07:45.824 --> 01:07:47.306
 morning and they were still wet, wet,
 
 01:07:49.217 --> 01:07:51.179
 they're much clearer than as
 
 01:07:51.219 --> 01:07:52.440
 we started taking pictures.
 
 01:07:53.820 --> 01:07:56.161
 As they dried out, they lost formation.
 
 01:07:56.342 --> 01:07:56.862
 Yeah,
 
 01:07:56.902 --> 01:07:59.483
 but you could see the water droplets.
 
 01:08:00.824 --> 01:08:02.186
 Like you could see the
 
 01:08:02.405 --> 01:08:04.347
 little footprints and you
 
 01:08:04.367 --> 01:08:08.349
 could see the shape of a toe.
 
 01:08:09.128 --> 01:08:10.269
 You know, they weren't deep.
 
 01:08:11.451 --> 01:08:12.590
 They were very surface.
 
 01:08:13.052 --> 01:08:14.873
 They weren't like down in the ground.
 
 01:08:15.172 --> 01:08:16.594
 They were very surface.
 
 01:08:17.173 --> 01:08:18.395
 But around the outside,
 
 01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:20.140
 you could see the where the
 
 01:08:20.201 --> 01:08:21.421
 water had ripped into the
 
 01:08:21.622 --> 01:08:23.542
 soil and that ashy soil
 
 01:08:23.561 --> 01:08:26.422
 just kind of holds it kind
 
 01:08:26.462 --> 01:08:27.363
 of sort of I don't know
 
 01:08:27.563 --> 01:08:28.502
 it's like powder putting
 
 01:08:28.523 --> 01:08:33.024
 water on powder kind of but
 
 01:08:34.664 --> 01:08:38.945
 yeah yep nikki walking
 
 01:08:38.966 --> 01:08:39.945
 around looking at all of it
 
 01:08:39.985 --> 01:08:41.667
 she's like thomas is gonna
 
 01:08:41.686 --> 01:08:43.087
 be pissed brent's gonna be
 
 01:08:43.146 --> 01:08:43.907
 even more pissed
 
 01:08:49.962 --> 01:08:53.384
 Well, I got to admit, I mean, Jay,
 
 01:08:54.703 --> 01:08:56.404
 we ate better in that camp
 
 01:08:56.423 --> 01:08:57.704
 than we would in a restaurant.
 
 01:08:57.784 --> 01:09:00.085
 It was fantastic.
 
 01:09:00.564 --> 01:09:02.805
 Let me tell you,
 
 01:09:02.824 --> 01:09:06.386
 if that was in grizzly country,
 
 01:09:06.405 --> 01:09:07.126
 I would have been very
 
 01:09:07.206 --> 01:09:08.265
 nervous because of the food
 
 01:09:08.305 --> 01:09:09.487
 that was left out at night.
 
 01:09:09.546 --> 01:09:10.466
 I think a bear probably
 
 01:09:10.487 --> 01:09:12.067
 would have ransacked
 
 01:09:18.699 --> 01:09:19.760
 That's what I figure.
 
 01:09:21.100 --> 01:09:22.940
 Even a black bear would have ransacked it.
 
 01:09:22.961 --> 01:09:24.041
 It was very subtle.
 
 01:09:24.122 --> 01:09:28.162
 It would have had foil neatly open.
 
 01:09:28.182 --> 01:09:29.542
 It would have been torn open
 
 01:09:29.643 --> 01:09:31.243
 and stuff like that.
 
 01:09:31.923 --> 01:09:34.024
 Nikki and I both got up in
 
 01:09:34.043 --> 01:09:35.725
 the morning expecting to
 
 01:09:35.784 --> 01:09:37.944
 see a disaster area.
 
 01:09:38.364 --> 01:09:38.604
 Yeah.
 
 01:09:41.622 --> 01:09:43.265
 Even raccoons can get really
 
 01:09:43.365 --> 01:09:45.969
 messy when they want something, you know.
 
 01:09:46.289 --> 01:09:49.092
 But raccoons will open things and stuff.
 
 01:09:49.132 --> 01:09:51.957
 Yes.
 
 01:09:52.197 --> 01:09:52.438
 Yeah.
 
 01:09:52.478 --> 01:09:53.679
 Not because they heard you
 
 01:09:53.739 --> 01:09:54.600
 guys moving around the
 
 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:56.262
 tents and got spooked, you know.
 
 01:09:57.219 --> 01:09:58.720
 But you think they would have left,
 
 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:00.600
 you think if that was the case,
 
 01:10:00.701 --> 01:10:01.822
 they would have left little
 
 01:10:01.962 --> 01:10:03.342
 raccoon-y type footprints
 
 01:10:03.462 --> 01:10:04.363
 around the place.
 
 01:10:04.644 --> 01:10:07.586
 Impressions, you know, and not footprints,
 
 01:10:07.605 --> 01:10:07.905
 but impressions.
 
 01:10:07.926 --> 01:10:08.006
 Yeah,
 
 01:10:08.025 --> 01:10:09.327
 you would have thought like raccoon
 
 01:10:09.367 --> 01:10:10.868
 prints on the chuck dust
 
 01:10:11.188 --> 01:10:12.007
 and stuff like that.
 
 01:10:12.087 --> 01:10:13.829
 Oh, look, raccoon, you know.
 
 01:10:14.069 --> 01:10:16.171
 Well, there were raccoon prints around.
 
 01:10:16.211 --> 01:10:17.692
 We saw them all through the week.
 
 01:10:19.033 --> 01:10:20.814
 Yeah, yeah, but like this, this, like the,
 
 01:10:24.561 --> 01:10:25.882
 bag of pretzels we had
 
 01:10:25.903 --> 01:10:26.523
 sitting in the back of
 
 01:10:26.542 --> 01:10:29.104
 jay's truck that nobody
 
 01:10:29.125 --> 01:10:33.068
 ever never got open like we
 
 01:10:33.087 --> 01:10:34.628
 got up in the morning and
 
 01:10:34.668 --> 01:10:35.509
 nikki's like I heard
 
 01:10:35.548 --> 01:10:37.229
 something and it sounded
 
 01:10:37.270 --> 01:10:40.171
 like a like a but it was
 
 01:10:40.212 --> 01:10:41.792
 coming from over here so we
 
 01:10:41.813 --> 01:10:43.293
 walked around and you know
 
 01:10:43.314 --> 01:10:44.515
 they're the styrofoam
 
 01:10:44.534 --> 01:10:46.136
 coolers those we had them
 
 01:10:46.176 --> 01:10:47.356
 stacked up because they were empty
 
 01:10:49.332 --> 01:10:52.333
 And so we'll go and let them
 
 01:10:52.573 --> 01:10:53.494
 bang against something.
 
 01:10:53.534 --> 01:10:53.975
 And she's like,
 
 01:10:54.036 --> 01:10:55.155
 that's what it sounded like.
 
 01:10:55.235 --> 01:10:58.618
 And then she's like, okay.
 
 01:10:58.658 --> 01:10:59.699
 And she walked over and she
 
 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:01.680
 took the pretzel bag and
 
 01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:03.381
 she touched that and moved that around.
 
 01:11:03.421 --> 01:11:03.882
 She's like, well,
 
 01:11:03.903 --> 01:11:05.104
 that's what that sounded like.
 
 01:11:05.123 --> 01:11:08.786
 Hey, Nikki, how are you doing?
 
 01:11:09.266 --> 01:11:11.028
 Good to see you there.
 
 01:11:11.528 --> 01:11:12.868
 I don't have chat.
 
 01:11:13.069 --> 01:11:13.850
 She's lurking.
 
 01:11:14.610 --> 01:11:14.951
 Yeah.
 
 01:11:16.137 --> 01:11:19.238
 But they're very curious, very curious,
 
 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.000
 all kinds of information
 
 01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:23.001
 going off in all different directions.
 
 01:11:23.621 --> 01:11:24.561
 The only thing really
 
 01:11:24.601 --> 01:11:25.822
 missing is somebody who
 
 01:11:25.862 --> 01:11:27.063
 would stick a head
 
 01:11:27.162 --> 01:11:28.724
 flashlight out of their
 
 01:11:28.884 --> 01:11:31.545
 tent and saw exactly what
 
 01:11:31.604 --> 01:11:33.926
 the hell was going on, you know?
 
 01:11:34.126 --> 01:11:36.346
 Yeah, and Nicky and I were both like,
 
 01:11:37.466 --> 01:11:38.507
 we need to have walkies if
 
 01:11:39.427 --> 01:11:40.109
 we do this again.
 
 01:11:41.988 --> 01:11:42.989
 Yeah, between the tent.
 
 01:11:43.029 --> 01:11:43.850
 Yeah, that wouldn't hurt.
 
 01:11:43.869 --> 01:11:45.411
 Because there was nobody for us to...
 
 01:11:46.403 --> 01:11:48.224
 reach out too yeah
 
 01:11:48.644 --> 01:11:51.505
 absolutely and that that
 
 01:11:51.545 --> 01:11:52.905
 should never have happened
 
 01:11:53.265 --> 01:11:56.186
 I mean uh in my opinion the
 
 01:11:56.226 --> 01:11:58.287
 setup well we didn't you
 
 01:11:58.307 --> 01:11:59.488
 know we weren't thinking
 
 01:11:59.528 --> 01:12:01.309
 that was gonna happen well
 
 01:12:01.328 --> 01:12:03.510
 of course not but but um
 
 01:12:04.789 --> 01:12:06.390
 yeah like we didn't have
 
 01:12:07.030 --> 01:12:09.912
 phone service and we didn't
 
 01:12:09.931 --> 01:12:11.573
 have walkies so even
 
 01:12:12.885 --> 01:12:14.805
 If Thomas and Brent were still there,
 
 01:12:14.865 --> 01:12:15.845
 they were at the opposite
 
 01:12:15.905 --> 01:12:18.305
 end of the campsite from us.
 
 01:12:19.006 --> 01:12:19.386
 Yeah.
 
 01:12:19.686 --> 01:12:21.686
 So if we had walkies,
 
 01:12:22.127 --> 01:12:25.247
 we could have hollered for
 
 01:12:25.287 --> 01:12:28.109
 them to come out or something.
 
 01:12:28.128 --> 01:12:30.679
 Yeah, we were a good 100,
 
 01:12:30.679 --> 01:12:32.670
 150 feet away down the trail from them,
 
 01:12:33.090 --> 01:12:35.470
 from the main camp where we set up.
 
 01:12:35.831 --> 01:12:36.171
 Matter of fact,
 
 01:12:36.230 --> 01:12:37.331
 I was woken up a couple of
 
 01:12:37.350 --> 01:12:38.331
 times by squirrels
 
 01:12:38.430 --> 01:12:39.711
 scrambling all over the top
 
 01:12:39.751 --> 01:12:41.152
 of my tent and stuff like
 
 01:12:41.171 --> 01:12:41.811
 they were fighting.
 
 01:12:43.644 --> 01:12:44.524
 A number of times.
 
 01:12:44.904 --> 01:12:46.787
 You heard noises every now and then.
 
 01:12:46.846 --> 01:12:50.569
 But other than the first
 
 01:12:50.628 --> 01:12:51.989
 night when we had other
 
 01:12:52.050 --> 01:12:54.311
 humans just down the road
 
 01:12:54.351 --> 01:12:56.432
 away playing music way too loud,
 
 01:12:57.833 --> 01:13:00.496
 we never really saw anybody
 
 01:13:00.536 --> 01:13:02.396
 there other than people on the trail,
 
 01:13:03.056 --> 01:13:05.939
 like horse riders and things like that.
 
 01:13:06.979 --> 01:13:07.140
 Well,
 
 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.421
 Nicky says it was the last night even
 
 01:13:09.481 --> 01:13:11.143
 the beer spray was gone.
 
 01:13:12.537 --> 01:13:14.439
 So that's how defenseless they were.
 
 01:13:14.458 --> 01:13:16.579
 They didn't even have beer spray anymore.
 
 01:13:18.761 --> 01:13:19.021
 Yeah.
 
 01:13:20.122 --> 01:13:20.582
 I mean,
 
 01:13:20.603 --> 01:13:26.426
 it was didn't feel really in danger
 
 01:13:27.166 --> 01:13:27.886
 personally.
 
 01:13:27.907 --> 01:13:32.708
 Um, my personal feeling,
 
 01:13:33.109 --> 01:13:35.070
 I didn't feel like I was in
 
 01:13:35.150 --> 01:13:37.471
 any immediate danger.
 
 01:13:37.492 --> 01:13:37.532
 Um,
 
 01:13:41.256 --> 01:13:42.777
 So you were far from pushing
 
 01:13:42.817 --> 01:13:43.617
 the panic button.
 
 01:13:45.198 --> 01:13:47.619
 Yeah, I just, you know, I said, well,
 
 01:13:48.020 --> 01:13:49.060
 that sounds interesting.
 
 01:13:49.121 --> 01:13:50.921
 So I turned the recorder on
 
 01:13:50.962 --> 01:13:54.604
 the phone and just wrapped up.
 
 01:13:54.644 --> 01:13:56.264
 What did the recorder pick up?
 
 01:13:56.425 --> 01:13:58.145
 Because I do that too.
 
 01:13:58.286 --> 01:14:00.006
 I always got my recorder
 
 01:14:00.067 --> 01:14:01.306
 with me all the time.
 
 01:14:06.185 --> 01:14:08.527
 Steve, Curious Scripted,
 
 01:14:09.027 --> 01:14:10.307
 had started going through it,
 
 01:14:10.448 --> 01:14:12.010
 but I don't know that he
 
 01:14:12.050 --> 01:14:12.710
 ever finished it.
 
 01:14:15.332 --> 01:14:16.693
 But from my listening
 
 01:14:16.773 --> 01:14:18.373
 through it and through Bill
 
 01:14:18.453 --> 01:14:19.854
 Trackway's listening through it,
 
 01:14:23.377 --> 01:14:27.661
 and I had a friend of mine
 
 01:14:28.301 --> 01:14:29.542
 who is a musician,
 
 01:14:29.561 --> 01:14:32.224
 has a friend here in
 
 01:14:32.283 --> 01:14:33.244
 Columbus who has a
 
 01:14:33.324 --> 01:14:34.685
 professional music studio.
 
 01:14:35.737 --> 01:14:36.037
 Yeah.
 
 01:14:37.278 --> 01:14:38.257
 Take the audio.
 
 01:14:39.559 --> 01:14:41.439
 And he just toned down the
 
 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:42.261
 sound of the creek.
 
 01:14:43.020 --> 01:14:43.240
 Yeah.
 
 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:45.622
 Faded out and pulled pulled
 
 01:14:45.662 --> 01:14:49.163
 some of the other stuff up.
 
 01:14:51.206 --> 01:14:52.666
 And in that you can hear the
 
 01:14:53.546 --> 01:14:54.527
 what I heard by ear,
 
 01:14:54.606 --> 01:14:57.769
 the right behind my tent by ear,
 
 01:14:58.390 --> 01:14:59.750
 you can hear that in the recording,
 
 01:14:59.869 --> 01:15:02.051
 you can hear footsteps in the recording.
 
 01:15:03.631 --> 01:15:04.313
 You can hear.
 
 01:15:05.905 --> 01:15:08.788
 um I called it like a throat
 
 01:15:08.969 --> 01:15:14.573
 sound kind of like yeah and
 
 01:15:14.595 --> 01:15:15.614
 I don't think it was one of
 
 01:15:15.655 --> 01:15:17.797
 the dogs no it wasn't it
 
 01:15:17.818 --> 01:15:20.220
 wasn't a bark this was like
 
 01:15:20.819 --> 01:15:22.761
 sometimes a dog will go
 
 01:15:23.502 --> 01:15:29.588
 well no no it wasn't because it came from
 
 01:15:31.476 --> 01:15:32.216
 being in the tent
 
 01:15:32.278 --> 01:15:33.978
 directionally to me
 
 01:15:34.099 --> 01:15:36.000
 listening to it in real
 
 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.140
 time it came from that way
 
 01:15:39.841 --> 01:15:40.761
 which would have been down
 
 01:15:40.801 --> 01:15:45.585
 towards the kitchen stream
 
 01:15:46.585 --> 01:15:50.266
 area yeah so what became
 
 01:15:50.307 --> 01:15:51.807
 what became of that audio
 
 01:15:51.847 --> 01:15:53.809
 where is it now I have it
 
 01:15:54.770 --> 01:15:55.670
 I've never nobody's ever
 
 01:15:55.711 --> 01:15:56.570
 done anything with it I've
 
 01:15:56.610 --> 01:16:00.033
 never done anything with it I have it um
 
 01:16:00.916 --> 01:16:02.556
 Bill Trackway has it.
 
 01:16:03.658 --> 01:16:06.100
 But other than that, that's it.
 
 01:16:06.939 --> 01:16:07.501
 I see.
 
 01:16:09.682 --> 01:16:11.703
 That Trackway's a nice guy.
 
 01:16:11.804 --> 01:16:14.246
 I met him last week.
 
 01:16:15.006 --> 01:16:17.347
 Yeah, he and him and his wife, Deb,
 
 01:16:17.868 --> 01:16:18.389
 they're awesome.
 
 01:16:19.550 --> 01:16:20.170
 A lot of fun.
 
 01:16:21.110 --> 01:16:21.631
 A lot of fun.
 
 01:16:22.492 --> 01:16:24.292
 And Bill is serious about his tech.
 
 01:16:25.073 --> 01:16:25.814
 Yeah,
 
 01:16:25.914 --> 01:16:28.195
 very soft-spoken but funny at the
 
 01:16:28.235 --> 01:16:29.016
 same time.
 
 01:16:29.577 --> 01:16:29.756
 Yeah.
 
 01:16:32.198 --> 01:16:35.801
 yeah yep him and deb they're
 
 01:16:35.820 --> 01:16:38.042
 a great team together out
 
 01:16:38.063 --> 01:16:38.983
 there in the field they
 
 01:16:39.023 --> 01:16:43.365
 work well together um and
 
 01:16:43.405 --> 01:16:44.046
 you know they're both
 
 01:16:45.207 --> 01:16:46.368
 they're just great two
 
 01:16:46.387 --> 01:16:47.769
 great folks to go hang out
 
 01:16:47.788 --> 01:16:50.029
 with you know we have fun
 
 01:16:50.671 --> 01:16:51.810
 we catch something great if
 
 01:16:51.851 --> 01:16:52.652
 we don't we still have a
 
 01:16:52.671 --> 01:16:53.893
 good time yeah it was a
 
 01:16:53.932 --> 01:16:55.514
 great group where it was
 
 01:16:59.318 --> 01:17:00.838
 I know he enjoyed it very much.
 
 01:17:01.699 --> 01:17:01.979
 He did.
 
 01:17:02.579 --> 01:17:03.761
 We were just talking about it today,
 
 01:17:03.801 --> 01:17:05.681
 and he's like, it was too short.
 
 01:17:05.722 --> 01:17:06.703
 I want to spend more time
 
 01:17:06.743 --> 01:17:07.703
 talking to all them guys.
 
 01:17:07.764 --> 01:17:08.645
 It was so much fun.
 
 01:17:11.646 --> 01:17:11.846
 Yeah.
 
 01:17:12.747 --> 01:17:14.368
 He really enjoyed getting to
 
 01:17:14.609 --> 01:17:16.710
 spend time with you guys, and Brent,
 
 01:17:16.789 --> 01:17:18.952
 and Nikki, and he had a blast.
 
 01:17:19.292 --> 01:17:19.452
 Yeah.
 
 01:17:21.453 --> 01:17:21.694
 Yeah.
 
 01:17:21.974 --> 01:17:23.414
 The only thing that bothered
 
 01:17:23.454 --> 01:17:24.796
 me is Nikki kept trying to
 
 01:17:25.416 --> 01:17:26.796
 play tricks and scare me in
 
 01:17:26.817 --> 01:17:27.717
 the dark there, and...
 
 01:17:28.425 --> 01:17:28.925
 Oh, no.
 
 01:17:29.005 --> 01:17:29.524
 Did it work?
 
 01:17:29.925 --> 01:17:31.485
 Did it work?
 
 01:17:32.225 --> 01:17:32.485
 No.
 
 01:17:33.225 --> 01:17:34.046
 Oh, damn.
 
 01:17:35.286 --> 01:17:35.926
 Booga booga.
 
 01:17:39.907 --> 01:17:41.087
 I didn't have to do a damn thing.
 
 01:17:41.106 --> 01:17:42.047
 All I had to do was stand
 
 01:17:42.087 --> 01:17:46.507
 still and she'd run into me.
 
 01:17:46.528 --> 01:17:48.408
 You didn't pumpkin head her
 
 01:17:48.469 --> 01:17:49.988
 this time or men without bones?
 
 01:17:50.849 --> 01:17:51.248
 What's that?
 
 01:17:51.309 --> 01:17:52.229
 I don't know what you're
 
 01:17:52.248 --> 01:17:52.890
 talking about there.
 
 01:17:53.350 --> 01:17:54.409
 When we were in Washington?
 
 01:17:54.430 --> 01:17:54.649
 Yeah.
 
 01:17:57.853 --> 01:17:59.054
 I never heard those stories.
 
 01:17:59.073 --> 01:18:01.494
 Somebody else had told me that.
 
 01:18:01.835 --> 01:18:06.457
 Okay.
 
 01:18:06.717 --> 01:18:10.840
 Yeah, that was... Do you know, Jerry,
 
 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:11.900
 that even in Washington,
 
 01:18:11.921 --> 01:18:14.082
 they have the Men Without Bones?
 
 01:18:14.101 --> 01:18:15.762
 Are you kidding?
 
 01:18:16.422 --> 01:18:16.903
 Oh, yeah.
 
 01:18:17.463 --> 01:18:18.844
 It's a bloody franchise.
 
 01:18:19.645 --> 01:18:19.885
 Who knew?
 
 01:18:19.904 --> 01:18:20.085
 Whoa.
 
 01:18:25.949 --> 01:18:27.613
 But really, that first day,
 
 01:18:28.354 --> 01:18:31.421
 those footprints that Dakota found,
 
 01:18:33.805 --> 01:18:34.667
 they were fascinating.
 
 01:18:35.529 --> 01:18:36.689
 Did I send you the picture
 
 01:18:36.729 --> 01:18:37.630
 of Thomas laying on the
 
 01:18:37.670 --> 01:18:38.390
 ground looking at it?
 
 01:18:38.871 --> 01:18:39.331
 I think I did.
 
 01:18:39.350 --> 01:18:39.511
 See,
 
 01:18:39.631 --> 01:18:42.372
 I got a picture of Thomas Dakota and I
 
 01:18:42.412 --> 01:18:43.774
 don't know if you were in it or not,
 
 01:18:43.814 --> 01:18:44.675
 the third person.
 
 01:18:45.375 --> 01:18:45.735
 Anyway,
 
 01:18:45.775 --> 01:18:46.975
 they were looking at the ground and
 
 01:18:47.036 --> 01:18:49.478
 I'm sure Thomas was saying, look,
 
 01:18:49.578 --> 01:18:50.378
 that's a chipmunk.
 
 01:18:50.578 --> 01:18:51.498
 I'm starved.
 
 01:18:52.060 --> 01:18:53.079
 And the very next picture
 
 01:18:53.140 --> 01:18:54.280
 showed him on his belly
 
 01:18:54.341 --> 01:18:55.641
 reaching into the bush
 
 01:18:55.702 --> 01:18:57.063
 trying to drag this poor
 
 01:18:57.122 --> 01:18:58.984
 chipmunk out squawking and
 
 01:18:59.083 --> 01:19:01.345
 screaming and Dakota had a
 
 01:19:01.386 --> 01:19:03.386
 look of horror on his face and
 
 01:19:03.948 --> 01:19:05.448
 Oh, it was a bloody massacre.
 
 01:19:06.109 --> 01:19:06.469
 Yeah.
 
 01:19:07.149 --> 01:19:07.770
 And that's what I thought
 
 01:19:07.810 --> 01:19:08.570
 those pictures were about.
 
 01:19:08.591 --> 01:19:09.791
 Then they barbecued the chipmunks later.
 
 01:19:10.372 --> 01:19:11.511
 Then they barbecued it later.
 
 01:19:11.912 --> 01:19:12.693
 Bits and pieces.
 
 01:19:12.712 --> 01:19:12.792
 Yeah.
 
 01:19:13.412 --> 01:19:14.014
 Shish kebab.
 
 01:19:15.914 --> 01:19:21.537
 Dakota had the tenacity to
 
 01:19:21.658 --> 01:19:23.118
 cover the track up because
 
 01:19:23.139 --> 01:19:24.118
 they found it the first day
 
 01:19:24.158 --> 01:19:24.800
 they were there.
 
 01:19:26.881 --> 01:19:27.981
 And we could see the marks
 
 01:19:28.042 --> 01:19:30.023
 where several others were.
 
 01:19:34.427 --> 01:19:35.828
 except for the one he covered up.
 
 01:19:36.469 --> 01:19:37.248
 And it almost looked like
 
 01:19:37.269 --> 01:19:38.368
 something that come out of
 
 01:19:38.389 --> 01:19:39.729
 the trees into the clearing.
 
 01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:40.869
 Cause there's this kind of
 
 01:19:40.890 --> 01:19:43.029
 like a line where it would
 
 01:19:43.090 --> 01:19:44.411
 come out of the trees right
 
 01:19:44.430 --> 01:19:45.430
 into an area that could be
 
 01:19:45.511 --> 01:19:46.411
 used as a campsite.
 
 01:19:46.470 --> 01:19:48.372
 And then it stopped and then
 
 01:19:48.412 --> 01:19:49.712
 went back the way it came.
 
 01:19:51.533 --> 01:19:54.394
 And, um, who knows what it is.
 
 01:19:54.654 --> 01:19:55.873
 I still, it's still very,
 
 01:19:55.953 --> 01:19:58.515
 very interesting track really was.
 
 01:20:03.057 --> 01:20:11.159
 Let's see here.
 
 01:20:11.260 --> 01:20:12.820
 No, no, no, no.
 
 01:20:12.921 --> 01:20:13.740
 That's not it.
 
 01:20:16.641 --> 01:20:18.021
 I thought I don't have them
 
 01:20:18.122 --> 01:20:19.243
 on this laptop.
 
 01:20:19.302 --> 01:20:21.222
 I've got them on my laptop upstairs.
 
 01:20:22.162 --> 01:20:26.925
 The pictures from Dakota
 
 01:20:27.045 --> 01:20:30.305
 cooking and Mike cooking and Jay cooking.
 
 01:20:30.326 --> 01:20:31.706
 Everybody got fast.
 
 01:20:32.511 --> 01:20:33.131
 All dead.
 
 01:20:34.252 --> 01:20:35.412
 Everybody got fat.
 
 01:20:35.712 --> 01:20:37.234
 Didn't need chipmunks, Jerry,
 
 01:20:37.253 --> 01:20:37.974
 with all that food.
 
 01:20:41.015 --> 01:20:42.275
 How many hundreds of
 
 01:20:42.336 --> 01:20:44.537
 chipmunks' lives were saved
 
 01:20:44.657 --> 01:20:45.556
 because of that?
 
 01:20:45.636 --> 01:20:46.216
 Exactly.
 
 01:20:46.997 --> 01:20:47.917
 Oh, God.
 
 01:20:48.018 --> 01:20:50.759
 Yeah, the great chipmunk massacre.
 
 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:53.039
 Yeah, wow.
 
 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:54.159
 But, no,
 
 01:20:54.180 --> 01:20:55.461
 it sounds like you guys had a lot
 
 01:20:55.501 --> 01:20:56.280
 of fun down there,
 
 01:20:57.020 --> 01:20:58.481
 and from what I gather in
 
 01:20:58.502 --> 01:21:00.462
 the pictures that I've seen and whatnot,
 
 01:21:00.542 --> 01:21:00.762
 it's...
 
 01:21:02.202 --> 01:21:05.666
 fantastic country visually.
 
 01:21:06.926 --> 01:21:10.489
 And you're very fortunate to
 
 01:21:10.550 --> 01:21:11.891
 have someone who knew the
 
 01:21:12.152 --> 01:21:13.533
 area like the back of his
 
 01:21:13.592 --> 01:21:15.255
 hand to be your guide,
 
 01:21:16.155 --> 01:21:19.037
 to take you places of interest,
 
 01:21:19.578 --> 01:21:20.760
 instead of just wandering
 
 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:22.582
 aimlessly around the wilderness.
 
 01:21:24.363 --> 01:21:25.724
 This was his normal camp.
 
 01:21:25.904 --> 01:21:26.904
 This is an area he always
 
 01:21:26.944 --> 01:21:28.145
 liked to go to to set up
 
 01:21:28.185 --> 01:21:30.445
 just for our weekend camping trip.
 
 01:21:31.105 --> 01:21:33.206
 That was his spot.
 
 01:21:33.426 --> 01:21:35.787
 We were basically occupying his area.
 
 01:21:37.988 --> 01:21:40.168
 We had an encounter some years before.
 
 01:21:42.789 --> 01:21:43.649
 We wandered around the
 
 01:21:43.689 --> 01:21:44.609
 mountain on the drive up.
 
 01:21:45.251 --> 01:21:45.511
 Yeah.
 
 01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:46.690
 Oops.
 
 01:21:50.747 --> 01:21:51.588
 Yeah,
 
 01:21:51.889 --> 01:21:53.369
 when you go out and you see don't go
 
 01:21:53.449 --> 01:21:54.350
 any further than a sign
 
 01:21:54.390 --> 01:21:55.230
 that looks like it's been
 
 01:21:55.251 --> 01:21:57.431
 there since the 1920s, you figure, oh,
 
 01:21:57.452 --> 01:21:58.533
 this is not the right way.
 
 01:21:58.573 --> 01:22:00.113
 We've missed it, and we've got to go back.
 
 01:22:01.854 --> 01:22:03.355
 What gave you your first clue?
 
 01:22:03.855 --> 01:22:04.457
 Yeah.
 
 01:22:07.679 --> 01:22:08.118
 Oh, man.
 
 01:22:08.179 --> 01:22:08.899
 Road closed.
 
 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:10.479
 There's not even a road there anymore.
 
 01:22:12.261 --> 01:22:13.381
 Road decommissioned.
 
 01:22:14.143 --> 01:22:14.703
 Even worse.
 
 01:22:15.783 --> 01:22:15.963
 Yeah.
 
 01:22:16.686 --> 01:22:17.868
 But no,
 
 01:22:18.047 --> 01:22:19.349
 I would have loved to have made
 
 01:22:19.408 --> 01:22:20.029
 that trip.
 
 01:22:22.630 --> 01:22:25.631
 But the little get-together
 
 01:22:25.692 --> 01:22:27.193
 up here wasn't bad either.
 
 01:22:27.212 --> 01:22:32.275
 I wish I could have made this one,
 
 01:22:32.336 --> 01:22:34.737
 but it wasn't going to be
 
 01:22:34.756 --> 01:22:35.797
 in the budget for me this year.
 
 01:22:37.259 --> 01:22:39.600
 Yeah, budget-wise, time-wise,
 
 01:22:39.699 --> 01:22:40.480
 there's a lot of...
 
 01:22:41.663 --> 01:22:43.064
 there's a lot of logistics
 
 01:22:43.104 --> 01:22:44.865
 that go into this kind of stuff.
 
 01:22:45.006 --> 01:22:45.265
 I was,
 
 01:22:45.365 --> 01:22:47.307
 I was surprised that it turned out
 
 01:22:47.387 --> 01:22:48.228
 as well as it did.
 
 01:22:48.247 --> 01:22:52.030
 I mean, I know a wizard,
 
 01:22:52.070 --> 01:22:53.131
 he ended up staying
 
 01:22:53.192 --> 01:22:55.792
 stateside for reasons.
 
 01:22:56.833 --> 01:22:59.456
 And, uh, but it was sure a good, uh,
 
 01:22:59.615 --> 01:23:01.697
 I mean, finally meet face to face,
 
 01:23:02.037 --> 01:23:03.519
 meet Nikki and Brent
 
 01:23:04.139 --> 01:23:07.301
 trackway and Michael from, uh, Calgary.
 
 01:23:08.622 --> 01:23:09.643
 Can't forget Michael.
 
 01:23:10.703 --> 01:23:11.404
 And, uh,
 
 01:23:12.115 --> 01:23:16.117
 Thomas Steenberg and Bill Reed and Brad.
 
 01:23:17.278 --> 01:23:20.599
 And I know I'm missing somebody.
 
 01:23:24.260 --> 01:23:24.659
 Jerry.
 
 01:23:25.100 --> 01:23:26.100
 Yeah, Jerry.
 
 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:30.021
 It was a good time.
 
 01:23:30.561 --> 01:23:31.561
 It was a good time.
 
 01:23:34.582 --> 01:23:35.182
 Oh, it was.
 
 01:23:35.243 --> 01:23:37.224
 I think Nikki really enjoyed
 
 01:23:37.623 --> 01:23:38.684
 finally getting to see
 
 01:23:39.003 --> 01:23:41.164
 where Jacko was allegedly captured.
 
 01:23:43.662 --> 01:23:44.423
 and stuff like that.
 
 01:23:44.463 --> 01:23:47.265
 But boy, unlike Washington last year,
 
 01:23:47.284 --> 01:23:48.905
 it was brutally hot when we
 
 01:23:48.945 --> 01:23:50.065
 were up here this year.
 
 01:23:50.706 --> 01:23:50.886
 Well,
 
 01:23:50.905 --> 01:23:52.426
 they were lucky because they packed
 
 01:23:52.506 --> 01:23:53.627
 up and went home a day
 
 01:23:53.707 --> 01:23:57.048
 before the real heat hit up here.
 
 01:23:57.889 --> 01:23:59.350
 Like, I mean, it was nice and sunny.
 
 01:23:59.409 --> 01:24:00.170
 It was warm.
 
 01:24:00.270 --> 01:24:01.871
 But man,
 
 01:24:03.112 --> 01:24:05.033
 Nicky went to your place on Sunday
 
 01:24:05.113 --> 01:24:06.533
 and that day the heat just
 
 01:24:06.592 --> 01:24:08.673
 skyrocketed for the rest of the week.
 
 01:24:09.854 --> 01:24:10.015
 Yeah.
 
 01:24:10.034 --> 01:24:10.175
 Yeah.
 
 01:24:10.948 --> 01:24:12.729
 so uh pretty lucky in that
 
 01:24:12.769 --> 01:24:15.770
 regard but all in all it
 
 01:24:15.810 --> 01:24:18.612
 was a good time for all who
 
 01:24:18.692 --> 01:24:21.132
 attended and I said to
 
 01:24:21.172 --> 01:24:22.552
 nikki mania that was cool
 
 01:24:22.573 --> 01:24:23.514
 we should do it again in
 
 01:24:23.913 --> 01:24:28.996
 august yeah any any future
 
 01:24:29.055 --> 01:24:31.117
 plans like any uh thing on
 
 01:24:31.157 --> 01:24:33.318
 the horizon saskatchewan uh
 
 01:24:33.578 --> 01:24:36.279
 for you and your location um
 
 01:24:39.907 --> 01:24:41.828
 A couple of impromptu things,
 
 01:24:41.868 --> 01:24:44.548
 but mostly I'm going to go
 
 01:24:44.569 --> 01:24:45.889
 to the Logan Festival,
 
 01:24:46.609 --> 01:24:50.451
 the Hocking Hills Festival, the PA,
 
 01:24:51.952 --> 01:24:53.072
 Bigfoot Camping Adventure.
 
 01:24:56.573 --> 01:24:59.515
 And then we're going to go to Whitehall.
 
 01:25:03.435 --> 01:25:08.398
 We're going to be staying at a Wizard's
 
 01:25:09.099 --> 01:25:10.118
 One of Wizards areas.
 
 01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:12.359
 Then we're going to go to Whitehall.
 
 01:25:12.579 --> 01:25:13.520
 And then we're going to go
 
 01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:16.240
 back out to Joe's area for a couple days.
 
 01:25:17.202 --> 01:25:17.782
 Very good.
 
 01:25:17.841 --> 01:25:18.881
 All around the circle.
 
 01:25:20.082 --> 01:25:22.302
 Yeah.
 
 01:25:24.104 --> 01:25:24.323
 Well,
 
 01:25:24.363 --> 01:25:27.085
 I remember when I first started an
 
 01:25:27.164 --> 01:25:28.664
 interest in this and
 
 01:25:28.725 --> 01:25:31.166
 reading various books and
 
 01:25:31.206 --> 01:25:32.726
 what have you on the subject,
 
 01:25:32.846 --> 01:25:34.367
 I always thought about the
 
 01:25:34.426 --> 01:25:35.747
 reports from Whitehall.
 
 01:25:35.868 --> 01:25:36.868
 I said, Whitehall?
 
 01:25:37.759 --> 01:25:39.180
 That's in New York.
 
 01:25:40.100 --> 01:25:43.063
 What are Sasquatch doing in New York?
 
 01:25:43.963 --> 01:25:45.005
 But since then,
 
 01:25:45.024 --> 01:25:46.405
 I've noted that there are a
 
 01:25:46.466 --> 01:25:48.007
 fair number of reports out
 
 01:25:48.068 --> 01:25:49.189
 of Whitehall area.
 
 01:25:50.229 --> 01:25:52.971
 And there's something to them.
 
 01:25:54.292 --> 01:25:58.636
 But yeah, to this day, I find it strange.
 
 01:25:58.756 --> 01:26:02.359
 I mean, knowing Joe and Jonathan and,
 
 01:26:02.420 --> 01:26:03.881
 you know, you say,
 
 01:26:04.421 --> 01:26:06.063
 you really got Sasquatch over there?
 
 01:26:07.734 --> 01:26:08.373
 Send them home.
 
 01:26:08.394 --> 01:26:08.974
 We miss them.
 
 01:26:10.555 --> 01:26:10.875
 Jerry,
 
 01:26:10.914 --> 01:26:12.875
 the whole reason I left Ontario to
 
 01:26:12.935 --> 01:26:14.256
 come to Alberta and BC,
 
 01:26:14.315 --> 01:26:18.377
 because I thought back in the 70s, 80s,
 
 01:26:19.377 --> 01:26:20.596
 the early part of the 90s,
 
 01:26:20.636 --> 01:26:21.597
 that the South Coast was
 
 01:26:21.658 --> 01:26:23.257
 strictly a West Coast phenomenon.
 
 01:26:23.518 --> 01:26:25.378
 I was strictly in that camp, right?
 
 01:26:26.038 --> 01:26:26.479
 Yeah.
 
 01:26:26.738 --> 01:26:27.078
 I thought.
 
 01:26:27.711 --> 01:26:27.850
 Well,
 
 01:26:27.890 --> 01:26:29.612
 how can things be seen in New York
 
 01:26:29.671 --> 01:26:30.773
 and Pennsylvania?
 
 01:26:30.832 --> 01:26:31.854
 You know,
 
 01:26:31.873 --> 01:26:33.134
 I thought of the eastern part of
 
 01:26:33.154 --> 01:26:34.935
 the continent kind of like Europe.
 
 01:26:34.975 --> 01:26:35.275
 You know,
 
 01:26:35.555 --> 01:26:37.056
 wilderness is a small batch of
 
 01:26:37.096 --> 01:26:38.356
 trees between towns.
 
 01:26:39.717 --> 01:26:41.479
 But then I got to see it myself.
 
 01:26:41.538 --> 01:26:42.699
 I mean, Ontario, you know,
 
 01:26:42.739 --> 01:26:44.621
 that's all bush anyway.
 
 01:26:45.221 --> 01:26:47.063
 But in the western, eastern United States,
 
 01:26:47.082 --> 01:26:47.403
 I thought, oh,
 
 01:26:47.462 --> 01:26:48.684
 it's little batches of
 
 01:26:49.503 --> 01:26:50.524
 trees in between towns.
 
 01:26:50.664 --> 01:26:51.185
 No.
 
 01:26:52.365 --> 01:26:52.706
 No.
 
 01:26:52.966 --> 01:26:54.587
 The towns are little dots
 
 01:26:54.667 --> 01:26:57.029
 and great big batches of wilderness.
 
 01:26:57.069 --> 01:26:57.189
 Yeah.
 
 01:26:57.838 --> 01:26:58.259
 And, of course,
 
 01:26:58.298 --> 01:26:59.619
 I started listening to guys
 
 01:26:59.699 --> 01:27:01.180
 back then like, you know,
 
 01:27:01.240 --> 01:27:04.122
 like Don Keating and Diane
 
 01:27:04.182 --> 01:27:06.685
 Stocking in Florida.
 
 01:27:07.645 --> 01:27:08.765
 And I had to admit that what
 
 01:27:08.786 --> 01:27:09.725
 they were coming up with
 
 01:27:09.765 --> 01:27:10.686
 sounded pretty good.
 
 01:27:11.127 --> 01:27:12.387
 Then I got to see the Pine
 
 01:27:12.408 --> 01:27:15.869
 Barrens myself and Ohio myself.
 
 01:27:15.970 --> 01:27:17.150
 And I thought, no,
 
 01:27:17.171 --> 01:27:18.912
 there's no reason
 
 01:27:18.952 --> 01:27:20.932
 whatsoever that if the Sasquatch exists,
 
 01:27:20.953 --> 01:27:22.453
 they couldn't exist there.
 
 01:27:23.194 --> 01:27:23.435
 Yeah.
 
 01:27:24.516 --> 01:27:25.676
 that may not be in the
 
 01:27:25.737 --> 01:27:27.658
 numbers we have in the West Coast,
 
 01:27:27.717 --> 01:27:30.078
 but they, if they exist,
 
 01:27:30.137 --> 01:27:32.797
 but they definitely exist.
 
 01:27:32.877 --> 01:27:34.519
 What do you make of the
 
 01:27:35.338 --> 01:27:39.619
 diversity of body types and everything?
 
 01:27:40.020 --> 01:27:40.359
 I mean,
 
 01:27:40.779 --> 01:27:43.319
 the Pacific Northwest Squatch is
 
 01:27:43.380 --> 01:27:46.161
 different from the Ohio in some cases.
 
 01:27:46.801 --> 01:27:49.560
 It's different from anything in Florida,
 
 01:27:50.440 --> 01:27:51.081
 whether you want to
 
 01:27:51.161 --> 01:27:52.841
 attribute to being a swamp
 
 01:27:52.902 --> 01:27:54.021
 monkey or something, but...
 
 01:27:55.202 --> 01:27:55.502
 I mean,
 
 01:27:55.981 --> 01:27:59.662
 how can they look so different in
 
 01:27:59.722 --> 01:28:00.122
 reports?
 
 01:28:00.182 --> 01:28:01.882
 Not all reports, but some reports.
 
 01:28:01.983 --> 01:28:03.484
 I mean, a bear is a bear.
 
 01:28:03.524 --> 01:28:05.184
 A black bear looks like a black bear.
 
 01:28:05.604 --> 01:28:07.203
 It can have multiple colors,
 
 01:28:07.264 --> 01:28:08.284
 but it's still got the
 
 01:28:08.385 --> 01:28:10.345
 physical attributes of a black bear.
 
 01:28:10.904 --> 01:28:12.666
 A grizzly is a grizzly bear.
 
 01:28:12.685 --> 01:28:13.746
 It has all the physical
 
 01:28:13.845 --> 01:28:15.805
 attributes from bear to
 
 01:28:15.865 --> 01:28:18.287
 bear to bear to bear.
 
 01:28:18.346 --> 01:28:20.567
 The Sasquatch is the only one that sees.
 
 01:28:20.886 --> 01:28:25.007
 You go from Hulk Hogan to Paddy
 
 01:28:29.054 --> 01:28:30.795
 I just don't get it.
 
 01:28:30.914 --> 01:28:33.957
 Why such diversity in body types?
 
 01:28:36.877 --> 01:28:38.559
 Probably where they're living.
 
 01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:41.761
 I mean, you know, colder climates,
 
 01:28:41.820 --> 01:28:43.442
 I think you need to have more body mass.
 
 01:28:45.722 --> 01:28:48.225
 I know there's a, there's a, shoot,
 
 01:28:48.585 --> 01:28:53.707
 I can't remember the name of it, but the
 
 01:28:56.965 --> 01:28:58.025
 What you're thinking of, Jen,
 
 01:28:58.145 --> 01:28:59.686
 I think is the theory that
 
 01:29:00.466 --> 01:29:01.988
 when you have a single species,
 
 01:29:02.207 --> 01:29:03.229
 the more northern they are,
 
 01:29:03.309 --> 01:29:04.550
 the larger they tend to be,
 
 01:29:05.109 --> 01:29:07.391
 which is certainly the case
 
 01:29:07.431 --> 01:29:08.292
 with a black bear.
 
 01:29:08.332 --> 01:29:09.972
 I mean, black bear or not black bear,
 
 01:29:10.012 --> 01:29:12.014
 you go to some areas in
 
 01:29:12.054 --> 01:29:12.935
 North America and an
 
 01:29:13.034 --> 01:29:15.577
 average black bear is 150, 180 pounds.
 
 01:29:15.976 --> 01:29:18.698
 You go to some areas like
 
 01:29:18.738 --> 01:29:19.918
 Vancouver Island when the
 
 01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:21.899
 average can be double or
 
 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:22.961
 three times that.
 
 01:29:23.581 --> 01:29:24.601
 Same thing with grizzly.
 
 01:29:24.622 --> 01:29:26.182
 The only difference between a grizzly...
 
 01:29:27.014 --> 01:29:29.135
 And a Kodiak or a Coastal
 
 01:29:29.175 --> 01:29:32.034
 Brown is their diet.
 
 01:29:32.796 --> 01:29:33.956
 An average mountain grizzly
 
 01:29:33.996 --> 01:29:38.337
 is about 400 pounds, where a Kodiak,
 
 01:29:39.037 --> 01:29:40.618
 again, is easily double that,
 
 01:29:40.658 --> 01:29:41.658
 or a Coastal Brown is
 
 01:29:41.738 --> 01:29:43.057
 easier to double that.
 
 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:45.498
 Things like raccoons,
 
 01:29:45.538 --> 01:29:47.118
 a BC raccoon is about three
 
 01:29:47.158 --> 01:29:49.500
 times the size of a Florida raccoon.
 
 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:52.140
 Those are simple things.
 
 01:29:52.161 --> 01:29:53.301
 So that could be some of the
 
 01:29:54.001 --> 01:29:56.162
 size difference that you get with the...
 
 01:29:57.426 --> 01:29:59.106
 with, with,
 
 01:29:59.127 --> 01:30:00.087
 with people that have come
 
 01:30:00.127 --> 01:30:01.109
 across Sasquatch.
 
 01:30:01.889 --> 01:30:04.030
 Um, some of the other things, you know,
 
 01:30:04.051 --> 01:30:05.112
 those people that go out and say, well,
 
 01:30:05.131 --> 01:30:06.432
 there's eight or 10
 
 01:30:06.432 --> 01:30:07.793
 different subspecies and
 
 01:30:08.354 --> 01:30:09.635
 you'll see the type three,
 
 01:30:09.694 --> 01:30:10.695
 which is that baboon
 
 01:30:10.716 --> 01:30:12.858
 looking one versus the type
 
 01:30:12.898 --> 01:30:13.658
 two or whatever.
 
 01:30:13.979 --> 01:30:15.420
 I think that's pure nonsense.
 
 01:30:16.661 --> 01:30:18.943
 But I think for some of the
 
 01:30:19.002 --> 01:30:21.824
 description differences is just the, uh,
 
 01:30:23.177 --> 01:30:24.659
 the the uh the food
 
 01:30:24.699 --> 01:30:25.841
 availability especially
 
 01:30:25.881 --> 01:30:29.604
 proteins and uh and how how
 
 01:30:29.663 --> 01:30:30.885
 far north they are I think
 
 01:30:30.904 --> 01:30:31.626
 it's more of a size
 
 01:30:31.645 --> 01:30:33.207
 variation than anything
 
 01:30:33.306 --> 01:30:37.310
 else yeah I mean you know
 
 01:30:38.532 --> 01:30:39.613
 different colors I think
 
 01:30:39.632 --> 01:30:40.434
 that could also have
 
 01:30:40.474 --> 01:30:42.676
 something to do with their
 
 01:30:42.716 --> 01:30:44.256
 environment as well I mean
 
 01:30:44.296 --> 01:30:44.917
 you know if you're living
 
 01:30:44.957 --> 01:30:46.139
 in colder climate having
 
 01:30:47.380 --> 01:30:48.400
 maybe a darker color to
 
 01:30:48.871 --> 01:30:50.171
 hold some of the sunlight or
 
 01:30:50.192 --> 01:30:51.353
 if you're in a warmer climate,
 
 01:30:51.393 --> 01:30:54.314
 having a lighter color to, I don't know.
 
 01:30:54.335 --> 01:30:57.037
 It could just be genetic,
 
 01:30:57.157 --> 01:30:59.859
 genetic variation within populations.
 
 01:30:59.939 --> 01:31:01.921
 I mean, you get that even,
 
 01:31:02.161 --> 01:31:05.064
 even amongst people in, in, uh,
 
 01:31:05.884 --> 01:31:07.685
 areas that aren't far divergent,
 
 01:31:07.725 --> 01:31:09.886
 just because of the, you know,
 
 01:31:09.907 --> 01:31:10.768
 whether it's recessive
 
 01:31:10.828 --> 01:31:11.969
 genes that have become
 
 01:31:12.009 --> 01:31:14.591
 prominent one area versus another, you'll,
 
 01:31:14.631 --> 01:31:15.912
 you will get those, uh,
 
 01:31:17.176 --> 01:31:18.916
 those small population variants.
 
 01:31:19.095 --> 01:31:21.856
 And, you know, if Sasquatch does exist,
 
 01:31:21.917 --> 01:31:25.318
 it's probably, probably doesn't have a,
 
 01:31:26.177 --> 01:31:28.118
 a high concentration of
 
 01:31:28.719 --> 01:31:30.298
 individuals in any given area.
 
 01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:33.960
 And you may have that isolation.
 
 01:31:37.940 --> 01:31:42.061
 Uh, I, uh, yeah, I agree with all that,
 
 01:31:42.122 --> 01:31:45.302
 but the thing is, uh, uh,
 
 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:48.360
 A bear is a bear is a bear.
 
 01:31:48.381 --> 01:31:50.823
 A black bear is a black bear,
 
 01:31:50.963 --> 01:31:53.046
 although it comes in every
 
 01:31:53.126 --> 01:31:54.726
 color under the rainbow.
 
 01:31:56.609 --> 01:31:57.890
 You can have black bears
 
 01:31:57.970 --> 01:32:01.774
 that have various color schemes.
 
 01:32:02.417 --> 01:32:03.958
 But they still look like black bears.
 
 01:32:03.998 --> 01:32:05.100
 They don't look like grizzlies.
 
 01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:06.600
 They don't look like polar bears.
 
 01:32:06.661 --> 01:32:08.603
 They don't look like cognac bears.
 
 01:32:08.903 --> 01:32:10.965
 Comeau looks like a small grizzly.
 
 01:32:11.005 --> 01:32:13.646
 But I agree with your position there,
 
 01:32:13.667 --> 01:32:13.867
 Jerry.
 
 01:32:14.728 --> 01:32:15.929
 And that's where, again,
 
 01:32:15.969 --> 01:32:17.430
 like I don't believe in Sasquatch.
 
 01:32:17.829 --> 01:32:20.032
 And this is where, you know,
 
 01:32:20.252 --> 01:32:21.172
 I've often said...
 
 01:32:22.382 --> 01:32:24.264
 we make questions to tailor
 
 01:32:24.444 --> 01:32:25.283
 answers that we've already
 
 01:32:25.304 --> 01:32:26.244
 come up with ourselves.
 
 01:32:26.805 --> 01:32:27.664
 Like, for example,
 
 01:32:27.685 --> 01:32:29.546
 if you read some of John
 
 01:32:29.605 --> 01:32:30.587
 Green's and other early
 
 01:32:30.627 --> 01:32:32.528
 researchers' books back in the 60s,
 
 01:32:33.228 --> 01:32:34.028
 they would say, oh,
 
 01:32:34.948 --> 01:32:36.328
 one of the reasons why we
 
 01:32:36.408 --> 01:32:38.710
 think Sasquatch exists is
 
 01:32:38.750 --> 01:32:41.070
 because how similar all the
 
 01:32:41.731 --> 01:32:44.273
 descriptions are, no matter where you go.
 
 01:32:45.457 --> 01:32:48.439
 And then you flip that, you know, 30, 40,
 
 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:49.920
 well, that's around 50 years later.
 
 01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:52.461
 Now they're saying, oh, wait,
 
 01:32:53.481 --> 01:32:55.422
 we have eight or 10
 
 01:32:55.422 --> 01:32:58.623
 different subspecies to try
 
 01:32:58.663 --> 01:33:00.685
 to explain why people
 
 01:33:00.865 --> 01:33:02.466
 aren't describing the same thing.
 
 01:33:03.407 --> 01:33:04.726
 So it's, again,
 
 01:33:04.747 --> 01:33:08.128
 it shows sometimes the
 
 01:33:08.288 --> 01:33:09.729
 intellectual dishonesty we
 
 01:33:09.810 --> 01:33:12.791
 have in the research where we...
 
 01:33:14.813 --> 01:33:16.514
 formulated answer and then
 
 01:33:16.554 --> 01:33:17.814
 we make the question suit
 
 01:33:17.854 --> 01:33:19.694
 the answer yeah
 
 01:33:19.715 --> 01:33:21.695
 pseudoscience yeah and so
 
 01:33:21.756 --> 01:33:23.657
 yeah so that's exactly like
 
 01:33:24.858 --> 01:33:27.219
 you know there there are
 
 01:33:27.418 --> 01:33:28.378
 there are people and I
 
 01:33:28.418 --> 01:33:29.300
 bring up dong man all the
 
 01:33:29.340 --> 01:33:30.539
 time because you can see
 
 01:33:30.579 --> 01:33:31.380
 what's happened over the
 
 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:34.721
 last 10 years with dogman
 
 01:33:34.782 --> 01:33:35.983
 is what's happened with
 
 01:33:36.502 --> 01:33:39.604
 sasquatch over the the last
 
 01:33:39.604 --> 01:33:42.024
 30 and you can see where if
 
 01:33:42.064 --> 01:33:42.985
 people are going oh there's
 
 01:33:43.996 --> 01:33:45.516
 eight subspecies of this and
 
 01:33:45.617 --> 01:33:46.917
 ten subspecies of this and
 
 01:33:46.938 --> 01:33:49.180
 they'll they'll positively
 
 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:51.181
 quantify them it's like you
 
 01:33:51.221 --> 01:33:52.342
 haven't even proven one
 
 01:33:52.422 --> 01:33:54.824
 species exists that's right
 
 01:33:54.885 --> 01:33:56.006
 now you're talking about
 
 01:33:56.506 --> 01:33:58.266
 geographic variants or
 
 01:33:58.787 --> 01:34:00.048
 different species that have
 
 01:34:00.109 --> 01:34:02.050
 different different traits
 
 01:34:02.109 --> 01:34:02.751
 like you know people
 
 01:34:02.770 --> 01:34:04.813
 talking about genosqua or
 
 01:34:04.853 --> 01:34:06.573
 face eater and how that's
 
 01:34:06.634 --> 01:34:08.775
 different or how around uh
 
 01:34:10.326 --> 01:34:12.287
 parts of Oregon and
 
 01:34:13.006 --> 01:34:13.886
 Washington you have an
 
 01:34:15.268 --> 01:34:16.627
 especially aggressive
 
 01:34:16.667 --> 01:34:18.448
 species that might be
 
 01:34:18.507 --> 01:34:21.048
 killing people or the you
 
 01:34:21.069 --> 01:34:22.189
 know devil monkeys which
 
 01:34:22.229 --> 01:34:23.890
 you get up in in Alaska
 
 01:34:23.930 --> 01:34:26.511
 like we've we haven't
 
 01:34:26.551 --> 01:34:27.770
 proven one and yet people
 
 01:34:27.831 --> 01:34:29.532
 talk as if there's there's
 
 01:34:29.572 --> 01:34:30.712
 dozens of these things a
 
 01:34:30.752 --> 01:34:32.192
 dozen different types out
 
 01:34:32.212 --> 01:34:33.512
 there and oh yeah they got
 
 01:34:33.533 --> 01:34:35.092
 the whole lineage lined out
 
 01:34:35.353 --> 01:34:37.274
 going back into the distant past
 
 01:34:41.149 --> 01:34:43.110
 And there were a lot of things that were,
 
 01:34:44.893 --> 01:34:45.993
 there was a lot of talk of
 
 01:34:46.434 --> 01:34:47.994
 counters in the east,
 
 01:34:48.115 --> 01:34:50.197
 especially the southeast, like, you know,
 
 01:34:50.398 --> 01:34:52.399
 Arkansas, Louisiana, and they were there,
 
 01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.320
 where for some reason the
 
 01:34:54.381 --> 01:34:56.002
 Sasquatch had three toes
 
 01:34:56.141 --> 01:34:57.243
 rather than five.
 
 01:34:57.283 --> 01:34:58.484
 Yeah, what's that?
 
 01:34:58.545 --> 01:35:00.405
 Most of that was based on, you know,
 
 01:35:00.426 --> 01:35:01.346
 the legend of buggy
 
 01:35:01.426 --> 01:35:02.587
 creeping the tracks found
 
 01:35:02.627 --> 01:35:04.229
 in Willie Smee's bean field,
 
 01:35:04.269 --> 01:35:05.930
 and that sort of got the
 
 01:35:05.990 --> 01:35:07.431
 impression in people's mind
 
 01:35:07.452 --> 01:35:08.353
 that it was mostly trees.
 
 01:35:10.461 --> 01:35:11.841
 And I got this information
 
 01:35:11.881 --> 01:35:13.442
 from the late Smokey Crabtree.
 
 01:35:13.481 --> 01:35:14.342
 He said most of the tracks
 
 01:35:14.382 --> 01:35:14.983
 that were found were
 
 01:35:15.023 --> 01:35:17.823
 actually five-toed at the time.
 
 01:35:17.904 --> 01:35:19.204
 So there was that much,
 
 01:35:19.305 --> 01:35:23.926
 but the public perception was that, oh,
 
 01:35:23.966 --> 01:35:25.087
 for some reason in the East,
 
 01:35:25.167 --> 01:35:26.527
 they have three-toed feet
 
 01:35:26.606 --> 01:35:27.547
 rather than five.
 
 01:35:27.568 --> 01:35:30.029
 That's simply not the case.
 
 01:35:30.048 --> 01:35:31.229
 I thought that was for
 
 01:35:31.269 --> 01:35:33.850
 Yahweh's three toes.
 
 01:35:36.992 --> 01:35:37.572
 Jennifer.
 
 01:35:38.332 --> 01:35:38.671
 Yes.
 
 01:35:38.692 --> 01:35:40.113
 Let me ask you something.
 
 01:35:41.989 --> 01:35:43.932
 Name two of your favorite
 
 01:35:43.972 --> 01:35:45.274
 Sasquatch authors.
 
 01:35:47.356 --> 01:35:48.759
 And be careful here.
 
 01:35:52.564 --> 01:35:53.886
 Well, of course, Tom Steenberg.
 
 01:35:54.546 --> 01:35:54.806
 Who?
 
 01:35:55.568 --> 01:35:55.787
 Who?
 
 01:35:56.529 --> 01:35:57.050
 Yeah, who?
 
 01:35:59.097 --> 01:36:03.381
 Thomas is a former author.
 
 01:36:03.462 --> 01:36:05.122
 He hasn't released anything in a decade.
 
 01:36:05.143 --> 01:36:07.083
 You're only as good as your last book.
 
 01:36:08.826 --> 01:36:10.367
 Unless he gets his ass in gear,
 
 01:36:10.686 --> 01:36:12.929
 he's a former author.
 
 01:36:13.048 --> 01:36:15.770
 Feel free to make any choice you want,
 
 01:36:15.850 --> 01:36:16.171
 Jen.
 
 01:36:16.891 --> 01:36:17.853
 Go ahead, Jen.
 
 01:36:18.092 --> 01:36:25.599
 It's not like I have a
 
 01:36:25.698 --> 01:36:27.119
 compilation of Bigfoot books.
 
 01:36:27.751 --> 01:36:32.635
 really um I just picked up
 
 01:36:33.074 --> 01:36:39.199
 uh steve cole's new one um
 
 01:36:39.220 --> 01:36:41.181
 I gotta get that one I
 
 01:36:41.202 --> 01:36:43.283
 haven't gotten it yeah yeah
 
 01:36:43.644 --> 01:36:53.952
 yeah um I have read I did read some of um
 
 01:36:56.788 --> 01:36:57.809
 Don Keating's work.
 
 01:36:59.590 --> 01:37:00.631
 After I met him a couple
 
 01:37:00.650 --> 01:37:02.230
 times at the festivals.
 
 01:37:02.811 --> 01:37:03.671
 Ohio Bigfoot?
 
 01:37:03.712 --> 01:37:03.891
 Yeah.
 
 01:37:05.353 --> 01:37:05.533
 Hmm?
 
 01:37:06.153 --> 01:37:07.753
 His book was called Ohio Bigfoot?
 
 01:37:08.554 --> 01:37:09.295
 Yeah, I think so.
 
 01:37:11.216 --> 01:37:12.076
 Yeah, I know.
 
 01:37:12.095 --> 01:37:16.118
 Yeah, I don't... I don't,
 
 01:37:16.377 --> 01:37:18.698
 you know... I go out and
 
 01:37:18.759 --> 01:37:20.520
 I'm rather experienced up.
 
 01:37:22.661 --> 01:37:23.161
 Personally.
 
 01:37:25.002 --> 01:37:25.082
 Um...
 
 01:37:27.488 --> 01:37:29.869
 yeah I'll read through stuff
 
 01:37:29.909 --> 01:37:31.911
 I'm not gonna I'm not a
 
 01:37:31.930 --> 01:37:34.110
 bigfoot scholar as you
 
 01:37:34.131 --> 01:37:38.953
 would say you know but you
 
 01:37:38.993 --> 01:37:40.394
 seem to have found a way to
 
 01:37:40.453 --> 01:37:44.954
 enjoy the subject yes yeah
 
 01:37:44.975 --> 01:37:48.837
 yeah to me I mean I think
 
 01:37:48.917 --> 01:37:51.518
 it's very interesting and I think
 
 01:37:54.172 --> 01:37:56.253
 it's a good pursuit to see
 
 01:37:56.354 --> 01:37:57.975
 if it can be proved or not
 
 01:38:00.015 --> 01:38:02.176
 um and if it was proven to
 
 01:38:02.216 --> 01:38:04.037
 be false tomorrow how would
 
 01:38:04.056 --> 01:38:08.498
 you feel he bummed out
 
 01:38:08.538 --> 01:38:09.300
 still go out the woods
 
 01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:15.502
 though you know um would it
 
 01:38:15.542 --> 01:38:17.722
 be on to mothman for you or
 
 01:38:17.783 --> 01:38:19.264
 would it be sasquatch
 
 01:38:21.115 --> 01:38:22.155
 Or a Jersey devil?
 
 01:38:22.536 --> 01:38:24.556
 Or is it just a Sasquatch as
 
 01:38:24.657 --> 01:38:26.577
 far as your interest goes?
 
 01:38:28.658 --> 01:38:30.978
 I've gone down to the Mothman thing and,
 
 01:38:31.177 --> 01:38:35.238
 you know, listened to the speech and,
 
 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:35.939
 you know,
 
 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:38.239
 went out to the TNT area and
 
 01:38:38.659 --> 01:38:39.380
 stuff like that.
 
 01:38:41.220 --> 01:38:42.341
 It checked it off a list.
 
 01:38:42.980 --> 01:38:49.082
 You know, it's something, you know,
 
 01:38:49.222 --> 01:38:49.703
 it was fun.
 
 01:38:50.203 --> 01:38:50.403
 Great.
 
 01:38:51.414 --> 01:38:53.574
 I have less belief in there
 
 01:38:53.595 --> 01:38:55.716
 being a mothman than I do
 
 01:38:55.775 --> 01:38:56.895
 in there being a Sasquatch.
 
 01:38:58.756 --> 01:38:59.176
 Personally.
 
 01:39:00.157 --> 01:39:00.476
 Yeah.
 
 01:39:00.936 --> 01:39:02.356
 Yeah.
 
 01:39:02.617 --> 01:39:03.997
 I struggle with what the
 
 01:39:04.037 --> 01:39:05.578
 heck is a cryptid anyway.
 
 01:39:05.597 --> 01:39:06.957
 Yeah, I know.
 
 01:39:06.997 --> 01:39:07.698
 A lot of these things.
 
 01:39:07.757 --> 01:39:09.319
 Is a vampire a cryptid?
 
 01:39:09.399 --> 01:39:10.878
 Is a werewolf a cryptid?
 
 01:39:11.019 --> 01:39:12.559
 Is a creature from the Black
 
 01:39:12.599 --> 01:39:13.859
 Lagoon a cryptid?
 
 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:14.260
 No.
 
 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:14.460
 No.
 
 01:39:16.546 --> 01:39:18.846
 And say nay, all you wish good, sir.
 
 01:39:19.067 --> 01:39:23.108
 But if you pick up Coleman's
 
 01:39:23.188 --> 01:39:24.828
 book on cryptids,
 
 01:39:24.927 --> 01:39:27.248
 and it has over 100 cryptids in it,
 
 01:39:27.668 --> 01:39:30.329
 of which I believe only two are cryptids.
 
 01:39:30.390 --> 01:39:34.150
 Cryptozoology is reported but unconfirmed.
 
 01:39:34.390 --> 01:39:35.850
 We're going to fight now, Jennifer.
 
 01:39:35.890 --> 01:39:36.310
 Hold on.
 
 01:39:36.832 --> 01:39:37.492
 Okay.
 
 01:39:37.612 --> 01:39:39.171
 And unconfirmed animals.
 
 01:39:40.292 --> 01:39:40.632
 Yeah.
 
 01:39:40.752 --> 01:39:42.132
 That's what cryptozoology is.
 
 01:39:43.649 --> 01:39:44.731
 Weird shit from the
 
 01:39:44.773 --> 01:39:46.377
 paranormal universe that
 
 01:39:46.417 --> 01:39:47.340
 people come up with,
 
 01:39:47.400 --> 01:39:48.765
 like goblins and fairies
 
 01:39:48.864 --> 01:39:49.948
 and all kinds of other things,
 
 01:39:50.088 --> 01:39:50.911
 aren't cryptids.
 
 01:39:52.453 --> 01:39:54.274
 And really here's a, here's again,
 
 01:39:54.293 --> 01:39:55.014
 where you should be going
 
 01:39:55.054 --> 01:39:56.314
 to the source material.
 
 01:39:56.395 --> 01:39:56.475
 And,
 
 01:39:57.114 --> 01:39:58.536
 and I forget the two gentlemen's names
 
 01:39:58.555 --> 01:39:59.356
 that are basically the
 
 01:39:59.417 --> 01:40:01.237
 fathers of cryptozoology.
 
 01:40:01.877 --> 01:40:02.057
 Yeah.
 
 01:40:02.078 --> 01:40:02.257
 They,
 
 01:40:02.677 --> 01:40:06.939
 they invented it in the fifties and
 
 01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:10.061
 trying to bring,
 
 01:40:10.162 --> 01:40:11.943
 bring the study of unknown
 
 01:40:12.042 --> 01:40:14.844
 animals into scientific limelight.
 
 01:40:14.863 --> 01:40:16.364
 And they were very clear on
 
 01:40:17.465 --> 01:40:18.546
 their original approach.
 
 01:40:19.092 --> 01:40:20.073
 that we that they were
 
 01:40:20.134 --> 01:40:21.394
 talking about flesh and
 
 01:40:21.434 --> 01:40:23.395
 blood animals that were
 
 01:40:23.515 --> 01:40:25.877
 either unknown to science
 
 01:40:26.398 --> 01:40:28.179
 or were known to science
 
 01:40:28.238 --> 01:40:30.199
 but science thought were
 
 01:40:30.260 --> 01:40:31.841
 extinct there was
 
 01:40:32.100 --> 01:40:34.242
 absolutely zero room in
 
 01:40:34.282 --> 01:40:35.363
 their definition for
 
 01:40:35.523 --> 01:40:36.304
 anything that would be
 
 01:40:36.344 --> 01:40:40.166
 classified as supernatural or even
 
 01:40:42.565 --> 01:40:45.427
 even if alien life, it was very,
 
 01:40:45.688 --> 01:40:47.368
 very narrow focused.
 
 01:40:47.430 --> 01:40:49.251
 And over time, again,
 
 01:40:49.930 --> 01:40:53.253
 as other researchers of
 
 01:40:53.314 --> 01:40:55.215
 different endeavors have come in, they,
 
 01:40:55.354 --> 01:40:57.737
 they've polluted the waters,
 
 01:40:57.796 --> 01:40:59.278
 especially when, you know,
 
 01:40:59.318 --> 01:41:00.399
 some people start bringing
 
 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:04.100
 in Sasquatch are related to UFO somehow,
 
 01:41:04.261 --> 01:41:05.402
 or, or, uh,
 
 01:41:06.427 --> 01:41:06.688
 you know,
 
 01:41:06.707 --> 01:41:08.168
 you get into the interdimensional
 
 01:41:08.288 --> 01:41:09.609
 aspect or you bring in
 
 01:41:10.069 --> 01:41:11.770
 mythologies of the
 
 01:41:11.829 --> 01:41:13.530
 supernatural Sasquatch.
 
 01:41:14.190 --> 01:41:15.752
 That was never what
 
 01:41:15.811 --> 01:41:17.832
 cryptozoology was originally about.
 
 01:41:18.653 --> 01:41:22.215
 And people have just changed
 
 01:41:22.255 --> 01:41:23.154
 the definition.
 
 01:41:23.414 --> 01:41:24.895
 It's part of this new
 
 01:41:24.956 --> 01:41:25.756
 generation you have
 
 01:41:25.796 --> 01:41:27.096
 nowadays where people think
 
 01:41:27.136 --> 01:41:30.018
 a dictionary doesn't really
 
 01:41:30.037 --> 01:41:30.557
 mean anything.
 
 01:41:30.597 --> 01:41:32.359
 You can take a word and...
 
 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:37.082
 and change it to define it as you see fit.
 
 01:41:37.582 --> 01:41:38.582
 And that makes it just as
 
 01:41:38.641 --> 01:41:40.341
 relevant as its real definition.
 
 01:41:41.101 --> 01:41:42.882
 And that's what's happened
 
 01:41:42.903 --> 01:41:43.903
 with cryptozoology.
 
 01:41:44.323 --> 01:41:44.542
 Yeah,
 
 01:41:44.622 --> 01:41:47.203
 cryptozoology was sort of an
 
 01:41:47.443 --> 01:41:48.823
 unconfirmed animal.
 
 01:41:48.904 --> 01:41:50.123
 Sasquatch was among them,
 
 01:41:50.184 --> 01:41:52.104
 Loch Ness Monster,
 
 01:41:52.224 --> 01:41:53.184
 but also could have been a
 
 01:41:53.664 --> 01:41:55.784
 butterfly reported but not confirmed,
 
 01:41:56.145 --> 01:41:56.944
 you know,
 
 01:41:58.204 --> 01:41:59.926
 a little lizard somewhere or
 
 01:41:59.985 --> 01:42:01.345
 something like that was cryptozoology.
 
 01:42:04.844 --> 01:42:07.005
 Yeah, because it all had a basis.
 
 01:42:07.284 --> 01:42:09.485
 It all had a basis of being
 
 01:42:09.565 --> 01:42:11.266
 derived from this planet.
 
 01:42:11.868 --> 01:42:12.648
 Like I say,
 
 01:42:13.108 --> 01:42:15.109
 if you're going to be from this planet,
 
 01:42:15.149 --> 01:42:16.250
 you have to act like a
 
 01:42:16.350 --> 01:42:18.490
 creature that is from this planet.
 
 01:42:19.032 --> 01:42:20.471
 And Dogman doesn't,
 
 01:42:20.572 --> 01:42:22.172
 and all the rest of them don't.
 
 01:42:22.993 --> 01:42:24.635
 In my opinion,
 
 01:42:24.654 --> 01:42:26.395
 there's only two cryptids in the world.
 
 01:42:27.435 --> 01:42:28.817
 One is Caborosaurus,
 
 01:42:30.578 --> 01:42:32.458
 and the other one is Sasquatch.
 
 01:42:33.082 --> 01:42:34.484
 They're the only two legitimate.
 
 01:42:35.283 --> 01:42:37.064
 It's been pretty well debunked.
 
 01:42:37.104 --> 01:42:39.045
 The Loch Ness Monster is out
 
 01:42:39.085 --> 01:42:39.704
 of the picture.
 
 01:42:40.706 --> 01:42:42.707
 But I think it's entirely
 
 01:42:42.766 --> 01:42:43.726
 within the realm of
 
 01:42:43.827 --> 01:42:45.027
 possibility for
 
 01:42:45.127 --> 01:42:48.149
 Caborosaurus to exist or
 
 01:42:48.269 --> 01:42:51.350
 even for that species to exist.
 
 01:42:52.270 --> 01:42:54.451
 There's no reason it couldn't exist.
 
 01:42:56.872 --> 01:43:00.533
 Sasquatch has a good
 
 01:43:00.613 --> 01:43:02.333
 possibility of existing.
 
 01:43:04.059 --> 01:43:06.039
 because it's akin very much
 
 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:10.662
 to your beer population and
 
 01:43:10.681 --> 01:43:12.943
 the needs and wants of that population.
 
 01:43:13.002 --> 01:43:14.163
 So why couldn't it be
 
 01:43:14.243 --> 01:43:16.005
 possible that it lives?
 
 01:43:16.625 --> 01:43:17.565
 But everything else is
 
 01:43:17.626 --> 01:43:21.667
 pretty outlandish in concept.
 
 01:43:26.090 --> 01:43:27.551
 Well, I would disagree with that, Jerry.
 
 01:43:27.591 --> 01:43:30.192
 I think the thylacine- I knew you would.
 
 01:43:31.569 --> 01:43:33.110
 I think the thylacine has a
 
 01:43:33.150 --> 01:43:36.872
 very good chance of still
 
 01:43:36.912 --> 01:43:37.552
 being out there.
 
 01:43:37.573 --> 01:43:40.574
 I think there's, you know,
 
 01:43:41.135 --> 01:43:42.135
 some more sightings,
 
 01:43:42.215 --> 01:43:43.256
 and I wouldn't be surprised
 
 01:43:43.315 --> 01:43:45.596
 if they do find, you know,
 
 01:43:46.077 --> 01:43:47.957
 an extant population somewhere,
 
 01:43:48.658 --> 01:43:50.579
 and that's even if they don't clone them.
 
 01:43:51.420 --> 01:43:51.680
 You know,
 
 01:43:51.699 --> 01:43:52.680
 and I think if you get into
 
 01:43:52.740 --> 01:43:54.761
 something like the orang pendak,
 
 01:43:55.681 --> 01:43:57.802
 I think there's this orang pendak,
 
 01:43:57.844 --> 01:43:58.923
 you know, the last,
 
 01:43:58.984 --> 01:44:00.444
 if I remember correctly, the last...
 
 01:44:01.957 --> 01:44:04.680
 fossil dates back to 20,000 years ago.
 
 01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:09.684
 Again, here's an animal, unlike Sasquatch,
 
 01:44:09.703 --> 01:44:10.645
 where Sasquatch,
 
 01:44:11.244 --> 01:44:13.065
 there is nothing scientific
 
 01:44:13.086 --> 01:44:14.027
 that you can link that
 
 01:44:14.186 --> 01:44:16.488
 animal to this continent.
 
 01:44:17.744 --> 01:44:19.167
 at least with the Orang Pendak,
 
 01:44:19.688 --> 01:44:22.371
 you do have Homo florensis in those areas,
 
 01:44:23.011 --> 01:44:25.215
 which do, to a large extent,
 
 01:44:25.875 --> 01:44:26.997
 match the description of
 
 01:44:27.056 --> 01:44:28.658
 what people are seeing there now.
 
 01:44:29.500 --> 01:44:30.501
 So I would think something
 
 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.425
 like the Orang Pendak, the thylacine,
 
 01:44:36.194 --> 01:44:36.414
 You know,
 
 01:44:36.454 --> 01:44:37.895
 maybe some of the lesser known
 
 01:44:38.076 --> 01:44:40.856
 ones in the Congo or even
 
 01:44:40.917 --> 01:44:42.396
 South America might exist.
 
 01:44:42.797 --> 01:44:44.037
 But I think as a general rule,
 
 01:44:45.418 --> 01:44:45.918
 you're right.
 
 01:44:45.958 --> 01:44:49.220
 I mean, Loch Ness Monster, you know,
 
 01:44:49.260 --> 01:44:49.920
 Loch Ness,
 
 01:44:51.201 --> 01:44:53.921
 it only formed after the last ice age.
 
 01:44:54.787 --> 01:44:56.769
 so it's not like dinosaurs
 
 01:44:56.788 --> 01:44:57.588
 have been hiding in there
 
 01:44:57.609 --> 01:44:59.451
 for 65 million years you
 
 01:45:00.091 --> 01:45:01.712
 know uh prehistoric
 
 01:45:01.773 --> 01:45:03.453
 reptiles are being hide in
 
 01:45:03.474 --> 01:45:04.876
 that lake since you know
 
 01:45:04.916 --> 01:45:05.576
 for 65 million years
 
 01:45:05.615 --> 01:45:07.877
 because it wasn't there and
 
 01:45:07.938 --> 01:45:09.779
 plus that lake's not that
 
 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:10.640
 big I mean it's half the
 
 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:12.061
 size of harrison lake yeah
 
 01:45:12.101 --> 01:45:13.483
 you know and that's where
 
 01:45:13.502 --> 01:45:15.664
 you have where most of them
 
 01:45:15.744 --> 01:45:17.445
 if you look at it where's
 
 01:45:17.485 --> 01:45:19.127
 the food gonna come from where where
 
 01:45:20.220 --> 01:45:20.640
 Well, see,
 
 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:23.161
 that's where the idea comes from,
 
 01:45:23.261 --> 01:45:24.402
 underwater tunnels.
 
 01:45:24.462 --> 01:45:27.002
 So it cannot just live within the lake.
 
 01:45:27.063 --> 01:45:28.342
 It also has to be able to
 
 01:45:28.703 --> 01:45:30.703
 leave the lake and head for
 
 01:45:30.743 --> 01:45:31.645
 the open ocean.
 
 01:45:32.225 --> 01:45:32.385
 Well,
 
 01:45:32.404 --> 01:45:36.327
 it could be during the Loch Ness Monster,
 
 01:45:36.527 --> 01:45:40.868
 the whole plesiosaurus, if it exists,
 
 01:45:41.109 --> 01:45:42.009
 is completely wrong.
 
 01:45:42.029 --> 01:45:42.828
 It's just something that
 
 01:45:42.849 --> 01:45:43.989
 happens to look like one.
 
 01:45:44.510 --> 01:45:44.789
 You know,
 
 01:45:44.810 --> 01:45:46.110
 the seal looks like a
 
 01:45:46.171 --> 01:45:47.671
 plesiosaurus at certain
 
 01:45:47.770 --> 01:45:49.051
 angles from the face.
 
 01:45:55.823 --> 01:45:58.945
 I think some of the tales of
 
 01:45:59.626 --> 01:46:02.668
 sea monsters may exist.
 
 01:46:03.930 --> 01:46:05.331
 I've asked this question before,
 
 01:46:05.371 --> 01:46:06.511
 but when it comes to the ocean,
 
 01:46:07.032 --> 01:46:10.014
 I think if you were to ask
 
 01:46:10.014 --> 01:46:11.375
 10,000 marine biologists,
 
 01:46:12.275 --> 01:46:13.337
 do they think there's
 
 01:46:13.417 --> 01:46:15.097
 undiscovered life in the
 
 01:46:15.257 --> 01:46:19.480
 ocean of medium to large-sized animals,
 
 01:46:20.341 --> 01:46:21.962
 you're probably going to get 10,000 say,
 
 01:46:22.063 --> 01:46:22.623
 yes, there is.
 
 01:46:24.125 --> 01:46:25.065
 We haven't discovered them.
 
 01:46:25.086 --> 01:46:25.987
 We haven't seen them all.
 
 01:46:26.606 --> 01:46:28.729
 There's great depths we haven't explored.
 
 01:46:29.609 --> 01:46:30.730
 But what people forget,
 
 01:46:30.810 --> 01:46:32.492
 and it's one of the pet peeves I have,
 
 01:46:32.992 --> 01:46:33.912
 is you always bring up when
 
 01:46:33.932 --> 01:46:37.936
 you're talking about Sasquatch,
 
 01:46:37.957 --> 01:46:39.858
 for example, they'll go, oh,
 
 01:46:39.898 --> 01:46:42.060
 but what about the giant panda?
 
 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:45.323
 Or what about the gorilla?
 
 01:46:46.323 --> 01:46:47.144
 Well, first off,
 
 01:46:47.725 --> 01:46:49.985
 the giant panda was well
 
 01:46:50.065 --> 01:46:51.988
 known by the Chinese people
 
 01:46:53.095 --> 01:46:54.135
 government of the day,
 
 01:46:54.154 --> 01:46:54.916
 which was just as
 
 01:46:54.975 --> 01:46:57.016
 sophisticated as the
 
 01:46:57.117 --> 01:46:58.657
 European governments.
 
 01:46:59.658 --> 01:47:01.257
 So they were known to the area.
 
 01:47:01.297 --> 01:47:02.618
 The fact that some European
 
 01:47:03.198 --> 01:47:05.220
 didn't know about them is a moot point.
 
 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:08.360
 Again, the gorillas,
 
 01:47:08.542 --> 01:47:10.582
 they were discovered within
 
 01:47:10.582 --> 01:47:13.423
 50 years of Europeans
 
 01:47:13.884 --> 01:47:14.944
 moving into that area.
 
 01:47:16.104 --> 01:47:17.784
 So I would always say to somebody,
 
 01:47:17.885 --> 01:47:19.525
 if you think Sasquatch exists,
 
 01:47:20.667 --> 01:47:21.527
 play a mental game.
 
 01:47:22.622 --> 01:47:23.643
 How big of an area do you
 
 01:47:23.662 --> 01:47:25.104
 think Sasquatch inhabit?
 
 01:47:25.644 --> 01:47:27.386
 If you think it's just the size of BC,
 
 01:47:28.126 --> 01:47:28.506
 do that.
 
 01:47:28.546 --> 01:47:29.908
 If you think it's all of North America,
 
 01:47:30.167 --> 01:47:30.528
 do that.
 
 01:47:32.229 --> 01:47:34.350
 Then go down and look when
 
 01:47:34.371 --> 01:47:35.731
 the last undiscovered
 
 01:47:35.912 --> 01:47:38.634
 animal was found on land.
 
 01:47:38.835 --> 01:47:41.317
 We're not talking ocean.
 
 01:47:42.056 --> 01:47:43.958
 That meets the criteria of
 
 01:47:44.738 --> 01:47:47.881
 being 200 pounds or larger
 
 01:47:47.942 --> 01:47:50.904
 in size or six foot tall or
 
 01:47:50.944 --> 01:47:51.845
 larger in size.
 
 01:47:53.338 --> 01:47:55.500
 has an area that they live
 
 01:47:55.539 --> 01:47:57.060
 in the same size as what
 
 01:47:57.081 --> 01:47:59.322
 you believe Sasquatch live in.
 
 01:47:59.962 --> 01:48:00.983
 And whatever the human
 
 01:48:01.063 --> 01:48:02.724
 population is in the area
 
 01:48:02.743 --> 01:48:05.704
 that you believe they exist in that area.
 
 01:48:06.886 --> 01:48:07.985
 And you will find that you
 
 01:48:08.006 --> 01:48:09.726
 could go back probably
 
 01:48:09.787 --> 01:48:12.648
 three or 400 years before
 
 01:48:12.688 --> 01:48:14.748
 you will find the last time
 
 01:48:14.788 --> 01:48:15.810
 something was discovered
 
 01:48:16.390 --> 01:48:18.011
 that would meet your own criteria.
 
 01:48:19.194 --> 01:48:21.496
 And that just shows to me
 
 01:48:21.975 --> 01:48:23.416
 that Sasquatch can't exist
 
 01:48:23.456 --> 01:48:26.237
 because there is no precedent out there.
 
 01:48:27.136 --> 01:48:28.516
 Like when they talk, you know,
 
 01:48:28.577 --> 01:48:29.698
 and also I fall, you know,
 
 01:48:29.757 --> 01:48:31.018
 take in genetic ones.
 
 01:48:31.057 --> 01:48:33.478
 Like for example, a couple of years ago,
 
 01:48:33.518 --> 01:48:35.259
 they found a new species of zebra.
 
 01:48:35.958 --> 01:48:37.559
 Well, it wasn't, it was,
 
 01:48:37.578 --> 01:48:38.640
 they found out by DNA.
 
 01:48:39.020 --> 01:48:39.840
 They found that what they
 
 01:48:39.859 --> 01:48:40.960
 thought was one species of
 
 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:42.801
 zebra was actually two.
 
 01:48:44.240 --> 01:48:46.742
 But again, look at your,
 
 01:48:46.942 --> 01:48:48.082
 look at the history.
 
 01:48:49.101 --> 01:48:51.443
 and see where these animals
 
 01:48:51.462 --> 01:48:52.002
 have been found.
 
 01:48:52.042 --> 01:48:52.703
 And you'll see there's
 
 01:48:53.342 --> 01:48:54.684
 nothing out there that even
 
 01:48:54.743 --> 01:48:58.845
 comes close to be the size
 
 01:48:58.904 --> 01:49:00.985
 of Sasquatch that's lived
 
 01:49:01.445 --> 01:49:05.287
 in an area the size of California, Oregon,
 
 01:49:05.346 --> 01:49:05.846
 Washington,
 
 01:49:05.907 --> 01:49:09.608
 BC alone that's had a human
 
 01:49:09.648 --> 01:49:11.609
 population in the millions
 
 01:49:12.548 --> 01:49:14.550
 for this long and not be discovered.
 
 01:49:16.385 --> 01:49:18.105
 Exploring the worlds of Panda, as I said,
 
 01:49:19.447 --> 01:49:20.608
 the government of China,
 
 01:49:20.927 --> 01:49:22.408
 which was just as sophisticated,
 
 01:49:23.970 --> 01:49:25.570
 was discovered by the Chinese.
 
 01:49:25.591 --> 01:49:26.412
 They knew they were there.
 
 01:49:27.152 --> 01:49:28.814
 And, you know, again,
 
 01:49:29.073 --> 01:49:30.595
 certainly Europeans weren't
 
 01:49:30.635 --> 01:49:31.735
 in that area for hundreds
 
 01:49:31.775 --> 01:49:33.636
 of years without knowing they were there.
 
 01:49:35.497 --> 01:49:36.738
 As far as I know, Jared,
 
 01:49:36.759 --> 01:49:38.500
 the last large animal
 
 01:49:39.201 --> 01:49:40.400
 confirmed that was in the
 
 01:49:40.440 --> 01:49:43.904
 realm of cryptology was Kuving Ox.
 
 01:49:44.858 --> 01:49:46.059
 which was finally officially
 
 01:49:46.139 --> 01:49:49.579
 confirmed in 1993.
 
 01:49:49.579 --> 01:49:50.581
 But the Vietnamese
 
 01:49:50.621 --> 01:49:53.362
 government always knew they were there.
 
 01:49:53.381 --> 01:49:54.662
 Matter of fact,
 
 01:49:54.682 --> 01:49:55.484
 when they brought out the
 
 01:49:55.524 --> 01:49:56.904
 first skeleton of one,
 
 01:49:58.345 --> 01:50:01.346
 the Vietnamese farmer who
 
 01:50:01.407 --> 01:50:02.867
 had it in his shed said,
 
 01:50:02.947 --> 01:50:03.948
 what's all the fuss about?
 
 01:50:06.542 --> 01:50:08.823
 But even that doesn't match the criteria,
 
 01:50:08.882 --> 01:50:09.302
 Thomas.
 
 01:50:09.342 --> 01:50:10.384
 That would only match the
 
 01:50:10.404 --> 01:50:11.885
 criteria if you believed
 
 01:50:12.385 --> 01:50:14.025
 that Sasquatch lived in a
 
 01:50:14.185 --> 01:50:15.726
 small area because, again,
 
 01:50:15.747 --> 01:50:17.568
 in the Spette Mountains,
 
 01:50:18.007 --> 01:50:19.288
 they found a breed of horse.
 
 01:50:20.134 --> 01:50:22.034
 that's about 1,000 pounds.
 
 01:50:22.836 --> 01:50:24.536
 They only live in one valley
 
 01:50:24.555 --> 01:50:26.317
 that's 17 miles long by
 
 01:50:26.337 --> 01:50:28.639
 approximately a mile long.
 
 01:50:28.939 --> 01:50:29.458
 That's true.
 
 01:50:29.738 --> 01:50:32.421
 So you have to match all the figures,
 
 01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:33.121
 factors.
 
 01:50:33.140 --> 01:50:33.801
 You have to match,
 
 01:50:34.462 --> 01:50:35.242
 because there's probably
 
 01:50:35.261 --> 01:50:36.842
 undiscovered animals in the Congo.
 
 01:50:37.243 --> 01:50:37.724
 There's probably
 
 01:50:37.783 --> 01:50:39.564
 undiscovered animals in
 
 01:50:39.645 --> 01:50:41.826
 South America because those are areas,
 
 01:50:42.605 --> 01:50:43.006
 Laos,
 
 01:50:43.087 --> 01:50:44.747
 because the wars kept those people
 
 01:50:44.847 --> 01:50:46.588
 out of those areas for long
 
 01:50:46.649 --> 01:50:47.389
 periods of time.
 
 01:50:48.876 --> 01:50:49.475
 Hey,
 
 01:50:49.737 --> 01:50:51.877
 I got undiscovered creatures under the
 
 01:50:51.917 --> 01:50:53.199
 seat of my pickup truck.
 
 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:57.222
 But when you talk about the Sasquatch,
 
 01:50:57.783 --> 01:50:58.863
 look, when you're trying to say, oh,
 
 01:50:58.884 --> 01:51:00.905
 there's species discovered every year,
 
 01:51:01.587 --> 01:51:03.587
 match the criteria for
 
 01:51:03.627 --> 01:51:05.310
 discovery to what you
 
 01:51:05.350 --> 01:51:06.610
 believe Sasquatch is,
 
 01:51:07.051 --> 01:51:07.872
 and you'll find that
 
 01:51:07.912 --> 01:51:08.932
 there's nothing there.
 
 01:51:10.086 --> 01:51:11.867
 out there that matches the criteria.
 
 01:51:12.106 --> 01:51:14.148
 There is no precedent for an
 
 01:51:14.247 --> 01:51:15.269
 animal being around for
 
 01:51:15.668 --> 01:51:16.908
 hundreds of years around
 
 01:51:16.948 --> 01:51:20.211
 people of that size not being discovered.
 
 01:51:21.612 --> 01:51:23.112
 So there, take that, Jan.
 
 01:51:23.452 --> 01:51:25.472
 Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
 01:51:25.894 --> 01:51:28.895
 It's an intellectual exercise.
 
 01:51:29.675 --> 01:51:30.435
 Look at it yourself.
 
 01:51:30.475 --> 01:51:31.456
 Part of the reason I don't
 
 01:51:31.496 --> 01:51:32.716
 believe sass watch exists
 
 01:51:33.337 --> 01:51:35.297
 is because I don't see how
 
 01:51:36.238 --> 01:51:37.279
 an animal meeting that
 
 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:39.159
 criteria could avoid
 
 01:51:41.847 --> 01:51:43.189
 bones in the bone yard,
 
 01:51:44.069 --> 01:51:49.511
 clear pictures that are obviously real,
 
 01:51:50.171 --> 01:51:51.572
 everything else.
 
 01:51:52.471 --> 01:51:54.052
 We have nothing.
 
 01:51:55.292 --> 01:51:57.314
 We have footprints that may
 
 01:51:57.373 --> 01:51:58.514
 or may not be evidence,
 
 01:51:58.953 --> 01:52:00.015
 and then you have sightings
 
 01:52:00.074 --> 01:52:03.536
 which are... Anecdotal evidence.
 
 01:52:04.095 --> 01:52:04.935
 Anecdotal evidence.
 
 01:52:04.975 --> 01:52:09.198
 So it's nothing else out there.
 
 01:52:10.103 --> 01:52:12.725
 Bummer, Thomas.
 
 01:52:12.765 --> 01:52:13.545
 Why we're here.
 
 01:52:14.845 --> 01:52:15.945
 And you two are friends.
 
 01:52:16.166 --> 01:52:16.926
 Bummer, Thomas.
 
 01:52:18.307 --> 01:52:18.747
 Oh, yes.
 
 01:52:18.828 --> 01:52:20.509
 Bill's the best skeptic I ever knew.
 
 01:52:20.548 --> 01:52:21.930
 He's an open-minded skeptic,
 
 01:52:21.949 --> 01:52:22.890
 and that's what we need.
 
 01:52:23.990 --> 01:52:25.591
 A healthy dose of skepticism
 
 01:52:25.692 --> 01:52:26.912
 is the best attribute a
 
 01:52:26.953 --> 01:52:28.132
 researcher can have.
 
 01:52:29.634 --> 01:52:30.274
 True enough.
 
 01:52:31.135 --> 01:52:33.376
 Jen, see what you started?
 
 01:52:34.317 --> 01:52:35.417
 Way to go, Jen.
 
 01:52:35.436 --> 01:52:35.837
 Thank you.
 
 01:52:36.757 --> 01:52:38.158
 Thank you for coming on
 
 01:52:38.238 --> 01:52:39.418
 board this afternoon.
 
 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:40.859
 We really appreciate it.
 
 01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:43.240
 Oh, I've had a blast.
 
 01:52:43.381 --> 01:52:44.381
 I haven't seen you guys.
 
 01:52:44.440 --> 01:52:46.402
 I haven't seen Thomas in a while.
 
 01:52:48.243 --> 01:52:49.762
 Washington this time last year.
 
 01:52:49.783 --> 01:52:50.724
 Yeah.
 
 01:52:51.184 --> 01:52:52.904
 I'm really sad you couldn't
 
 01:52:52.925 --> 01:52:54.145
 make it up this time, Dan.
 
 01:52:54.164 --> 01:52:54.885
 I know.
 
 01:52:54.984 --> 01:52:55.685
 I wanted to,
 
 01:52:55.725 --> 01:52:58.646
 but it just wasn't going to
 
 01:52:58.667 --> 01:53:00.747
 work out this year, unfortunately.
 
 01:53:00.768 --> 01:53:02.448
 There's always one reality
 
 01:53:02.528 --> 01:53:03.929
 that hits every researcher,
 
 01:53:03.969 --> 01:53:05.189
 and that's the reality of
 
 01:53:05.248 --> 01:53:06.489
 financial hardship.
 
 01:53:08.185 --> 01:53:09.367
 If you haven't got the money,
 
 01:53:09.407 --> 01:53:10.346
 you can't go.
 
 01:53:10.367 --> 01:53:11.367
 Yeah.
 
 01:53:11.988 --> 01:53:13.588
 That's just the reality of it.
 
 01:53:13.668 --> 01:53:14.769
 We're all doing this out of
 
 01:53:14.868 --> 01:53:15.810
 our own pockets.
 
 01:53:16.489 --> 01:53:16.750
 Yeah.
 
 01:53:17.010 --> 01:53:17.210
 Yeah.
 
 01:53:17.229 --> 01:53:18.430
 It's like, you know,
 
 01:53:18.451 --> 01:53:20.652
 the couple of things is like,
 
 01:53:20.692 --> 01:53:23.733
 they already said it, you know,
 
 01:53:23.752 --> 01:53:24.833
 they already planned and
 
 01:53:24.873 --> 01:53:26.253
 the ticket for this was
 
 01:53:26.333 --> 01:53:27.555
 bought or that was done.
 
 01:53:27.935 --> 01:53:30.716
 Like, all right, well the local stuff.
 
 01:53:30.917 --> 01:53:33.957
 And then how am I going to make this work?
 
 01:53:34.972 --> 01:53:36.173
 can I do this can I do that
 
 01:53:36.213 --> 01:53:37.154
 can I do this can I move
 
 01:53:37.194 --> 01:53:39.476
 this here can I no no is
 
 01:53:39.497 --> 01:53:42.639
 the answer is what it is
 
 01:53:43.020 --> 01:53:46.681
 maybe next year you know
 
 01:53:46.721 --> 01:53:48.144
 you now hold the dubious
 
 01:53:48.243 --> 01:53:49.484
 honor of being the first
 
 01:53:49.564 --> 01:53:51.947
 female guest on the book
 
 01:53:52.006 --> 01:53:56.409
 was crew yeah yeah you'll
 
 01:53:56.430 --> 01:53:58.171
 get your little certificate in the mail
 
 01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:04.461
 You'll be certified one of
 
 01:54:04.501 --> 01:54:05.640
 this or something.
 
 01:54:07.181 --> 01:54:09.422
 Anyway, Jen, loved having you here.
 
 01:54:09.882 --> 01:54:10.262
 Yeah.
 
 01:54:10.443 --> 01:54:11.224
 Thank you so much.
 
 01:54:11.863 --> 01:54:13.243
 Nice hanging out and talking
 
 01:54:13.264 --> 01:54:15.204
 to you guys and all the
 
 01:54:15.244 --> 01:54:16.326
 different sides to these
 
 01:54:17.025 --> 01:54:17.865
 feelings about it.
 
 01:54:18.186 --> 01:54:20.467
 And there are many, many different sides.
 
 01:54:20.787 --> 01:54:21.648
 That's for certain.
 
 01:54:22.247 --> 01:54:22.548
 Okay.
 
 01:54:22.588 --> 01:54:23.248
 Thanks folks.
 
 01:54:23.448 --> 01:54:25.949
 It's getting to the top of the hour.
 
 01:54:25.970 --> 01:54:27.831
 So it's time to move along.
 
 01:54:28.939 --> 01:54:31.002
 and uh we'll see you again
 
 01:54:31.082 --> 01:54:32.944
 the same time next week
 
 01:54:33.524 --> 01:54:34.744
 with another very
 
 01:54:34.864 --> 01:54:36.867
 interesting guest so drop
 
 01:54:36.987 --> 01:54:38.668
 on by and have a good
 
 01:54:38.769 --> 01:54:45.375
 evening bye take care everyone okay come