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High Low Brow
Rollercoaster Rides and Dark Sides: Escaping Twin Flame, The Bear, and Canada's Drag Race
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Life has a way of throwing curveballs, and like anyone else, we've had to juggle a few. We're on the second last episode of S3 before we take a short break, but not without leaving you with another episode that is as neurodivergent as you can imagine.
First, we dive into the second season of "The Bear" which surprised us in the best possible way. It's more than just a food show—it's a slice of life that serves up a hearty meal of emotions and relatable experiences. Then we discuss "Canada's Drag Race," and our current love for Denim and finish the episode by diving into one of our favourite topics: cults.
We share our thoughts, feelings, and insights into the docuseries on Netflix, "Escaping Twin Flames" and the Amazon Prime docuseries, "Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flame". We delve into the dark side of the groups, specifically how the captivating couple Jeff and Shaleia Divine forcibly transition their members and discuss the dark truths behind this alleged online love cult.
Get ready for giggles, insights, and some seriously fabulous pop culture pondering! Don't forget to tune into our last episode of season three on Sunday, December 10th.
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Welcome to Hi Lowbrow, the show with hyper-attakes on lowbrow culture. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber, and I'm your co-host, river Gilbert, and we are once again back.
Speaker 2Without a guest. Hey, we said Listen yeah.
Speaker 1I don't want you to drag me like that. We're not dragging.
Speaker 2We're just Keeping me honest, not even keeping you honest, just being, like you know, we explicitly said with a guest. Without a guest, we don't know. We're doing our best out here.
Speaker 1We are doing our best out here. It's been a rough time, dude. I don't think we have shared with our podcast friends that I had a death in the family, and I think that's really impacted.
Speaker 2Everything, yeah, yeah, well, also Grief is weird like that.
Speaker 1Grief is weird like that.
Speaker 2I was going to say like also, I seem to be having health issues every two weeks because, like last time it was, I had bad tummy and yesterday I had another SVT incident.
Speaker 1Yeah, do you want to explain what SVT is for?
Speaker 2Oh, it's where my heart goes. Hey, guess what you? Your pulse is over 200.
Speaker 1So y'all, we're, we're out here trying our best, we're doing our best. I'm okay, yeah.
Speaker 2I should preface this with no one's ever died from SVT. It's more a quality of life impact. Yeah, and you know, it just feels like I've run a marathon afterwards.
Speaker 1That sucks.
Speaker 2It's not great especially since the first time I had. It was the day before our wedding.
Speaker 1Yes, that, that is the lore behind. Svt is that it was the day before our wedding. You were getting ready for your bachelor ish party.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And oops all SVT.
Speaker 2Yeah, I. You were there with our friend Alex and I was like guys, I think I'm having a heart attack.
Speaker 1Yes, I remember that and then, like I think I'm having a heart attack and me being in full like wedding mode was like no, fuck you, we've spent all this money and all of this time.
Speaker 2Well, you're like. You are marrying me tomorrow, even if you have to come in in a wheelchair.
Speaker 1I did say that yeah. Yeah, I'm like I'm a monster. I mean thank you for loving me.
Speaker 2But yeah, so that's again. That's why the episode is late. We're trying our best.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And it's hard Like life. It's like life finds a way, but it's like life finds a way to fuck over our scheduling.
Speaker 1Yes, although and I think we talked about this in our last episode too we're basically at the end Like this isn't. This isn't the last episode.
Speaker 2This is an ultimate episode, though, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, so you know, in two weeks it will be our last episode for season three.
Speaker 2Season three Frees and Sea.
Speaker 1Frees and Sea, yeah. And then we're going to take a break which, honestly, it could not come at a better time.
Speaker 2Oh God, I know.
Speaker 1And it's not like we don't love doing this, because actually, if we do, it's the best.
Speaker 2It's like literally the high, like I'm like oh man, we should do this all the time.
Speaker 1Yeah, but you know, I think we need a break. We do need a break and, like most people in life, we're fucking tired.
Speaker 2I yeah.
Speaker 1The way you like thought about it and then we're like yeah, well, it was funny.
Speaker 2Because I remember I was like do you know what's really funny? I started playing Cyberpunk around this time last year and I'm like and Elden Ring. And I'm like wow, I wonder, it's so funny the way that your brain does this. And I'm like no, this is the busy season. And I am fully in an autistic burnout right now, so I am sequestering myself and not trying to do nothing. Yeah. So, yeah, video games.
Speaker 1Video games. Great Love that for you, I. What's funny is I actually finally have started listening to my audio books, and I think we've talked about this in.
Speaker 2Yeah, Queen of Audio Books.
Speaker 1Yeah, I had read, read, listened to like.
Speaker 2It's reading.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know, I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 2I mean they were doing quotation marks.
Speaker 1I know, but like, listen, I think it's reading. Some of the people don't, whatever they're wrong. I know they're wrong, okay, good, yeah, like.
Speaker 2I'm not. I'm not like, I'm not mad. Yeah, no, it activates the same part of your brain as reading does. All right yeah, so I get very angry about this.
Speaker 1I've read the Britney Spears memoir. I'm just finishing Gina Caddwick's book called Heretic. It's about the Christian evangelical growing up in that and realizing you're gay. Is it heretic, maybe?
Speaker 2yeah, I was just wondering.
Speaker 1I listen, we know. I don't know how to say. It's all good I was just like heretics.
Speaker 2So it's, like you know, hereditary, but heretic makes more sense.
Speaker 1Yes, so Very excited. I have a whole bunch of books on my waitlist, so I get my, my, my library my library card renewed yeah. I know we have a library at the top.
Speaker 2I know like everywhere we've lived We've had a library at the top of her street because libraries are so fucking cool. I know they're the best. Yeah, video games at libraries now I okay.
Speaker 1So what's interesting is I was at the library the other day Because that panel that I spoke on for dove it was at the Toronto reference library.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, and I guess because of the pandemic they no longer off. Like you can't just use one of the computers there. You can't do printing, you can't do it. So I don't know if it's because of the pandemic or cuts, but either way that's a huge loss, huge loss. Not even just people who you know. You may already have a home and but you don't have a computer like, let's say, your newcomer or something.
Speaker 1You could go to the library and do that, and I know a lot of times when I went to the library it was people who were you know, we're having a rough go at life, yeah, and they were the ones who usually like, that was their connection point.
Speaker 2Well, I'm even also thinking like, like everything I think about through the trans lens experience of trans experience, where I'm like, oh my god, like, what about people who it's not safe to use home computers? So look up these things? Yeah, like it's it. That's a huge, huge loss for a community yeah so I hope that that's just that reference library and I'm not like no, I walked by the one that's Said the same thing that sucks, yeah.
Speaker 1So that's why I think it's like it's it's either budget cuts or something.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's really. That's that breaks my heart here.
Speaker 1I know it said what else has been going on?
Speaker 2So we want to talk about happy things now.
Speaker 1I guess I mean we've spent what? Almost seven minutes or so Just being trauma, dumping on our listeners. Yeah, sorry. Thank you for the free therapy session that you didn't know that you signed up for.
Speaker 2Well, time stamp it. Yeah, you can skip past our bitching.
Speaker 1Yeah, I Mean, but what is life without bitching?
Speaker 2Yeah, it's the extra, that's. It's the salt of life, right yeah?
Discussing Season 2 of the Bear
Speaker 1Like I genuinely do not believe Because we're in that we're very behind on some shows we're not behind on all shows, but we're, I'd say, in the middle of the current season of sex education and At the new college that they go to the school. The whole thing is that they're they don't gossip jar.
Speaker 1Yeah, and like they don't subscribe to gossip. Mm-hmm, I'm just like I could not live. That would not be for me. Like I literally Literally everything the foundations of my life are built on gossip and tea. I Mean where's the lie? Where's the lie, what like anyways. So that's how I feel, like I'm sorry that this was extra salty, but also.
Speaker 2You know, this is the, the tax.
Speaker 1Yeah, for listening.
Speaker 2This is the listening tax the listening tax.
Speaker 1Okay, what do you want to talk about? That's positive, we could talk about there, yeah, we.
Speaker 2So, like I just said, we're very behind on shows and everything we I mean that stemmed from binging the entirety of Vanderpump rules in two months.
Speaker 1Yeah, so that's why we're behind.
Speaker 2And I remember we finished that and I was like I can't go into like actual, like proper TV, like I need. I can't start watching the bear immediately after Vanderpump rules, we need to like it's like I would get the TV show bedding, yes, from like surfacing to quality Too quick, yeah.
Speaker 1But finally we were like let's watch it, yeah, and and I think also and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you were feeling a little bit of anxiety around the first season of the bear was very intense.
Speaker 2I was so stressful.
Speaker 1Yeah, and like if you've ever worked in food service, if you've ever worked in any kind of kitchen environment, it like everything that happened in that show you have personally experienced at one point or another. Yeah so like yeah, I Mean Maddie Matheson is a producer.
Speaker 2Yeah, so he like that's probably why it hit so close to home, where I'm like, oh my god, it's like working in a Toronto kitchen.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I have interviewed Maddie tons of times Before he was famous for being a producer on the bear. Before he was, like you know, this person who had a wildly popular YouTube. Yeah, he used to do these cooking series videos, which I think is what made him really popular on vice, and so he was always in Toronto. He was always just sort of like cooking at different events here. So I've had the opportunity to interview him a few times. What I will say is that, like the person that Maddie is in his YouTube's and like how he is, just like I'm Maddie Matheson.
Speaker 2That's literally who he is, yeah but he's a genuinely nice person.
Speaker 1He also got sober a few years back. He did.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think that. So I was gonna say I knew him through a mutual friend, a Friends mutual friend, yes, who was both of their co-dealers.
Speaker 1Well, no, I, that's, that's yeah. No, he's not like that I know no and and what I found, too, was he, and he could have been lying, but he was always really like I've met you before. Oh yeah, we like we've talked this time she had that Bill Clinton charm.
Speaker 2Yeah, like that. That level of charisma where you feel like you're the only person in the world Nailed it. Yeah, no, he like him and the guys from Anchored and like there's like some very, very genuine people like that. Yes like the food service industry, and they all seem to like run together. Yeah, and it's wonderful when they do.
Speaker 1But the bear season two now that we've talked about Maddie for like.
Speaker 2Yeah, we're done. Stuck in 90s dick and I. This season was such a departure from last season like it was Okay. Spoilers, obviously, because we're the last people to watch this, but I Loved, like how I cried during a husband's redemption arc.
Speaker 1Yeah, that episode was forks right.
Speaker 2Yeah, favorite episode of the season. Yeah, like emphatically.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I. I also. I didn't fill out cry, but I got very emotional. Yeah, I think we all know a person like cousin.
Speaker 2Well, like we're gonna get real real for a second. Yeah, that's literally basically what happened to me. Okay was like I was coasting, I had a huge, terrible breakup and I needed something to throw myself into. Yeah, so I didn't kill myself. Okay, and coffee was there. Yeah, so that was like I was just like God, I've been there. Richie Cousin.
Speaker 1You're getting emotional right now. I am no, it was like favorite episode yeah. I think was it the Fish's episode. Oh my god, yeah where it's like literally every single Celebrity actor that you can possibly think of hour long.
Speaker 2We, because we started it and I was like this feels like a long episode and we paused it and it was like, oh it's cuz it's 74 minutes long. Yeah, it's an hour long, but Jamie Lee Curtis says the mom. Yep, john Mulaney is one of the cousins. Yeah, sarah Paulson as another one of the cousins yeah, bob Odin Kirk yes, the mother's boyfriend. What's his face from oh?
Speaker 1yeah, his name is Mikey. He John, it's a John, I don't know, I don't. Anyways, the guy from the Punisher he's also an origin that I saw during Tiff like he's a great actor, but also didn't we say this, while we're like they're trying to position him as being Italian, but he don't like really I Don't think, I think I. I.
Speaker 2Don't know. I thought he was maybe so very tall, hmm. Like perhaps yes, we'll have to we'll have to look at it, yeah.
Speaker 1But the episode was really good because I don't think they did it in one shot.
Speaker 2No, they didn't.
Speaker 1But very frantically. Yeah, but the franticness is like we've all been at those family dinners and for American friends it's American Thanksgiving. Yeah currently and.
Speaker 2You, you're feeling that.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm just like I've been here and I hate it.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, I was saying to you. I was like this is what I remember childhood Christmas dinners being like. And you were like how did you handle that? And I was like I just laughed.
Speaker 1That's me in all situations. I'm like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta. Piece of it.
Speaker 2I'm gonna go outside, I'll rake some leaves. I'm a head out. I'm a head out.
Speaker 1You're like that TikTok trend of men walking trough anything before people. Sorry, when you said I'm gonna go rake leaves, I'm like, oh, the TikTok trend.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, no, but you know, to be fair, I was like eight, I wasn't helping one way or the other.
Speaker 1So, like that episode was great, but what I felt about this season and tell me if you think the same is that they really tried to it wasn't as intense, but the stories that they told were grounded and really made you like connect and feel for these people.
Speaker 2Well, the thing that I loved about the season was everybody got their own like huge development episode, Like with the exception of sugar. I feel like she was fairly underdeveloped this season still like a little more. But everybody else got their own episode and except for Karmie and watching everybody grow and him falling back into old patterns in the last episode.
Speaker 1Yeah, didn't we have a conversation where we were like Karmie's, autistic? Yeah, I think, so we can't diagnose him. And they've never explicitly said it.
Speaker 2No, but like you know, we've all worked in kitchens where we know it's the same as fucking coffee. It's like you. That's like a way that you can mask and black and white thinking. It's like oh cool, there is a correct way of doing this and anyone who's not correct is wrong. Yeah, and then that sort of the autism for me, yeah. And also he's very quiet and he's yeah, so I mean when all of his family was like this.
Speaker 1This girl likes you you should just like. He just couldn't. He was like is this what I'm supposed to be doing? Is this my girlfriend?
Discussion on TV Shows and Documentaries
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, no, I like I can relate yeah. Yeah, and I'll big way. I loved the finale Because they did half of it was a winner. Like back and forth through the kitchen from front of house, back of house and then they I don't remember where they made the first cut. It might have been when cousin took over on expo. Yeah, but like yeah, no, it was just wonderfully shot. I like everything felt great. I loved the line cook that they found in the back smoking and crack.
Speaker 1Oh, was it math? I thought it was either way, either way.
Speaker 2Mark is coming back in and be like so I found him smoking meth, do I fire him? She's like oh yeah, absolutely fire him.
Speaker 1And once again, we all know that's actually happened.
Speaker 2Of course that Maddie Matheson probably plucked that from a real life experience.
Speaker 1Probably like 100. Math, could you imagine? Just like someone tweaked out. I mean, I get to cook all your food.
Speaker 2I mean you know everyone. I've known most front of house and back of house people to do a bump of Coke on shift in the bathroom. He totally did, but like and like. I've known people to like smoke, like, do a weed before or mid shift and some of them got fired for it.
Speaker 1obviously, I mean weed I'm more okay with than meth, Of course.
Speaker 2But yes, no, as soon as there's like a line where it's like Huh, meth is the bad place yeah. Yeah, I fit yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean we, we finally got to catch up on that it was.
Speaker 2it was a good it was a great season. I really enjoyed it. I could have probably have a watching it sooner than we watched it, because it wasn't as triggering for me as the first season. Yeah.
Speaker 1So I, for anybody who hasn't watched it yet, I would say if the first season was way too intense for you, you should go and watch the second season. It's great television and I just found out on on the internet that season three is going to be out.
Speaker 2like there, they got renewed, which obviously it's like the best show on TV right now.
Speaker 1Yeah, totally. So. That's exciting. Yeah, another show before we move into our final topic that we would like to discuss. Recently, canada's dry grace season four just started. Yes, it did you?
Speaker 2we watched the first episode together and I was like let's watch this. And you're like I watched the next episode without you because I figured you wouldn't want to watch it.
Speaker 1I mean, you didn't watch last season?
Speaker 2I didn't because I didn't care. But then this season came around and I was like, oh, this actually seems pretty solid.
Speaker 1They're all solid, but anyways, I think Canada's dry grace season four. One thing that we've talked about is that dry grace as a franchise as a whole, there's just too much over saturated over saturate, like I know everyone's like people should complain about having too much of a good thing, but it's like no, no, no, like it's too much, I don't care it like took parts that I do care about and just ran them into the ground and I'm like I don't care about any of it.
Speaker 1Right, like we happen to be with magic, yeah, like we used to watch the UK drag race, but we haven't watched it since, like the second or third season, because it's too much.
Speaker 2Yeah, denim's awesome.
Speaker 1Oh my god. So for season four, canada's dry grace denim is a transmask autistic dry queen.
Speaker 2Wonderful, Just the most want like yes they like got. Mick, but Canadian the first episode where they came out in that like acid cow outfit.
Speaker 1Yes, the one where Tegan and Sarah were like this is something I would hallucinate.
Speaker 2Yeah, one of my favorite looks of all time Like it was.
Speaker 1It was brought me back to like crystal method and like well, I think it makes sense, because Pethia is denims like either drag mom or they're in the same drag family, and if you were a huge fan of Pethia, then you're going to be a fan of dinner.
Speaker 2Yeah, and you are like Pethia is like number one stand.
Speaker 1I've been following denim online for like, since Pethia has been on drag race season three. Canada's drag race season three, you like? Was it only season?
Speaker 2three that she was on yes. Oh my god, I just know. Like every show you go to, I'm like go on, because Pethia is going to be there.
Speaker 1I mean, they're kind of amazing.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Also like I'm not gay, but they are hot like not gay male. Okay, I was like like I'm not the person that they would want to.
Speaker 2I was like Emma, is this a conversation we should be having on air?
Speaker 1Anyways, there's also the girlfriend experience.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I've seen another trans queen. I've seen them perform a few times as well. They are like. I remember the first time I saw them and I came home and showed you this video and was like look at that body.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember that, like I related to Drag Race. Apparently, the first cis woman has won a Drag Race franchise.
Speaker 1I know, I heard, yeah, it was, it's by new, or was it I?
Speaker 2thought it was Germany, who fucking knows?
Speaker 1It's so many Drag Races, so many Drag Races. But yes, I heard that, yeah, it's like oh, that's neat, yeah, that's cool, we've had trans women win, yeah, Women who are also women.
Speaker 2But you know we can celebrate cis women too.
Speaker 1Yeah, we can celebrate all people. Yeah, man, it's interesting because, watching the season of Canada's Drag Race 4, and I think I said this to you before I was like I know 90, like I've seen 90 drag races yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2Well, I remember when Priyanka was on, you were like I've seen her at the Drake and like Well, I saw her perform a drag brunch the week before she went away for Canada. Yeah, like, it was like right when she first started too.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2You've gone to like some of her first shows.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's never performed well. She's performed in Toronto again, but, like, what I'm saying is she's not performing in Toronto.
Speaker 2No, she's not a local queen anymore. No, she's an international.
Speaker 1International so like it's still. Oh, I've only seen Jimbo once or twice.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1And that was after they were on Drag Race. But like now to see Jimbo it's like Jimbo's from Vancouver.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, not local.
Speaker 1Not local, but I mean some of these like girlfriend experiences from Vancouver, Venus I don't know if anybody else knows this, but Venus's actual name was Venus Cunt, and then they had to.
Speaker 2Oh, that's funny, it's the Titty Boy. 2 Chainz experience.
Speaker 1Yeah, or like Jan Sport, Jan Sport, just Jan.
Speaker 2Just Jan.
Speaker 1So I think it's one of those where it's like, oh yeah, we can't, you know, put you on television and call you a cunt.
Speaker 2Alaska Thunderfuck yeah exactly.
Speaker 1I've seen Venus before, like I've seen basically all these queens. All this is to say is that this season is actually, I feel, going to be incredible.
Speaker 2Yeah, it sounds stacked. Yeah, like I wish I'd seen the second episode.
Speaker 1You could still watch it I can?
Speaker 2I probably won't though.
Speaker 1Anyways. So that's my recommendation Go watch K-Tribe Race. Now should we talk about.
Speaker 2Because, man, you just threw that drag race one in, yeah you know, I just love it.
Speaker 1Yeah, man, we have a script.
Speaker 2Yeah, we talk about, what we talk about.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, that's the experience you come for.
Speaker 2Yeah, this is the girlfriend experience.
Speaker 1I was going to say it's the neurodivergent experience. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2Twin Flames.
Speaker 1Twin Flames universe. There's two documentaries currently.
Speaker 2Netflix and Prime, amazon Prime.
Speaker 1Yeah, and with these documentaries you're getting two different experiences.
Speaker 2Two different girlfriend experiences? Yeah, yeah, full circle. Which did you prefer?
Speaker 1I think they complement each other. I agree, I think I preferred the Netflix one.
Speaker 2Interesting, I preferred the Prime one.
Speaker 1See, I was going to say the reason I Prime is like it was done by Allison Hines, who was the investigative journalist who wrote a. Yeah, wrote about Jeff and Shalia of the Twin Flames universe in a Vanity Fair profile. Thank you, so I really liked that. That one was like analytical. It was showing there were things in that series that we did not get in the Netflix one. Yeah, the other thing that we also got in the Amazon Prime series about Twin Flames was trigger warnings. I was just about to say, was it?
Speaker 2trigger warnings Because I had to stop watching the Netflix one in the third episode where I was like I need to go to the bathroom. Then I went upstairs and I'm like, oh, I'm shaking, I can't watch this right now.
Speaker 1Do you want to explain?
Speaker 2Okay, so for everybody who doesn't, for anyone who doesn't know the Twin Flame experience. Basically, the whole concept is hey, you have like a soulmate, but they call it a Twin Flame and you have to sacrifice everything to be with this person, because they are the ultimate person.
Speaker 1Yeah, and like by sacrificing everything. It's like if this person has a block due, you then show up at their house. If this person says they don't want to be with you, you have to continue.
Speaker 2If they're married, you have to break them up.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Like it's. Wild and so yeah, and it progresses from like that into like, oh, they've gone into religious organization, followed by oh, they've gone full-blown cult.
Speaker 1Yeah, like starting their own church so that they didn't have to pay taxes. Yeah, they also had like different business entities under the Twin Flame, like was it a meal planning service?
Speaker 2Yeah, it was a meal planning service where they were like shipping hot dogs and like.
Speaker 1Yeah, like shit that.
Speaker 2Everybody like it's not a problem. But like, everybody gained weight and like. Yeah, yeah it was not like a healthy box or done by a nutritionist or Right.
Speaker 1They were just like here. You need to subscribe to our diet because, like I, didn't even get the rationale. Tbh, was it so that you could meet your Twin Flame?
Speaker 2I got confused. I don't know man.
Speaker 1I maybe. Anyways, jeff and Shalia they originally met on the internet and at this time Jeff was Ender Ender, I was forgetting what the name was yeah, Ender. Ender, and he was hawking himself out as a life coach.
Speaker 2At the ripe old age of what? 25? Yeah 20.
Speaker 1And like saying shit, like I can cure your cancer.
Speaker 2Yeah, what does this fucking jaundice twink know about life?
Speaker 1He was like First of all, jeff and Shalia had some choices for style, like Jeff's, going from his short hair to his long hair, and he was like I am the second coming of Jesus.
Speaker 2I'm not saying I'm Jesus, but Jesus.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's like look at the material and then Shalia and her makeup.
Speaker 2I don't, and like I think mid, like through the Netflix, I was like these people are new money because, like Every single time they're like look at my Porsche, yeah. And like she would be wearing like Gucci, and then show up on videos wearing, like you know, fruit of the loom, like cotton t-shirts. And I was like girl, like no one cares, are you a style icon? Like, or and all of the makeup was like.
Speaker 1It was bad.
Speaker 2Choices were made.
Speaker 1Yeah, I love that TikTok that we had. That came up for us the other day where it was some woman who's a comedian, was pretending to be Jeff and Shalia and telling one of their like followers, disciples, whatever were following them that they had to. The reason why you had a hard time had to change their gender because they were a divine masculine.
Speaker 2So this is, this is where they started getting into the terrible territory. I mean already bad.
Speaker 1Yeah, already bad.
Speaker 2But like so they decided that originally they're like hey, lesbian, gay, that's totally fine. But then they were like but there's a divine masculine and a defined feminine. They're like don't love that, but okay.
Speaker 1So I think we were joking around and I'm like clearly our dynamics would be you're the divine feminine and I'm the divine masculine. What would my male name be?
Speaker 2Dan Dan Manda.
Speaker 1Dan Manda and like here's. The thing is that while we were watching this we had to pause a few times. We talked about like wow, it's really shitty because it's forced transition. No-transcript.
Speaker 2Originally it was just divine masculine, divine feminine and you could just be like you know, kind of butch and it's fine. But then it got into the point where they're like, hey, you need to transition. Yeah you need to have like. Why are you still like? The reason I said Dan was, there, was Anne and he was just like. You need a man name. How about Dan? Yeah, just You're Dan now, dan the man.
Speaker 1Yeah, and like people would tell them, like I'm straight, like I know, and they're like yeah, that's fine, the person that we've, like paired you up with, they're divine masculine, even though it's Like and they didn't tell the person.
Speaker 2So yeah, so there's a lot of. There's a that that came out of left field in episode three on the net flex.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I think, like We've seen, like nexium, we've seen all the shit that they've done, all of these different cults, we've like we see how it unfolds, but this was a weird sort of like.
Speaker 2Well, it's like a cult that doesn't have a conclusion. Yet this is like ongoing, right, this is. I was gonna say it's not the first time, because we watched that that's sex, female orgasm.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, documentary. I feel like Like why I was in Twin Flames hooking up with these people and then they could have been like now you were to inflate, you know why they weren't?
Speaker 2because Jeff's peddling male dominance, whereas the other one was peddling female empowerment, and you don't know that class, because Jeff's Opinions on sex and when you have to say yes as a woman and talking about sexually assaulting his wife was not good, yeah, it was cut.
Speaker 1It was kind of a lot. It was not, it was.
Speaker 2Anyways, it was a lot my suggestion for viewing order is watch the if you're at all like, oh yeah, we need to watch this. Watch the Amazon Prime one first, because they give you the trigger warnings, yeah, and they'll be like hey, just so you know this is not good what I did appreciate with both documentaries or, you know, films, whatever we want to call it, is that they did actually speak to people researchers, therapists in the.
Speaker 1LGBTQ plus community to sort of solidify, like what they're doing is Not okay.
Speaker 2Yeah, they had to trans Trans people who were speaking as like Experts in the side of like the field, like yeah.
Speaker 1I think one of the things I said to you while we were viewing it too was you know, given what we know about the conservatives, evangelical Christians, america as a whole, they would take something like this To sort of use it against trans people.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, this is the kind of thing that people are like oh yeah, they're pushing an agenda.
Speaker 1That's like Some people are pushing an agenda, but those people like the calls coming from within the house right and like Um, I think it was the prime one but apparently, like Someone who did transition, they're still living as their transition gender several of them. Yeah, like they didn't de-transition. There are people who did de-transition.
Speaker 2Of course um, because this was never 2% of the population, baby, yeah, it's like but like, and again, that's not like.
Speaker 1Maybe this was something positive, but we will never like I'm gonna have hazarded guests and say it was not.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean it's. It's hard to tell when people are being brainwashed, right, it's like is this good for you or is this because You've?
Speaker 1you've bought in right and you feel scared to sort of yeah, say One way or the other, how you're feeling actually? Um, because you know, in both of the series they showed videos of Jeff in their like school Sessions where he was literally gaslighting people.
Speaker 2Well, that's the whole the mirror exercise, right? Yes, it's convincing you to gaslight yourself.
Speaker 1Yeah, so it was, it was a lot.
Speaker 2Uh, yeah, it's. That was a hard watch. Like the more I sit with it, the more I'm like that one was tough. Yeah, I wish that, like going into it. I haven't seen the full picture.
Speaker 1Well, we didn't really know what it was like. We didn't google what is twin flame?
Speaker 2Yeah, the first before, and we just were like everybody's talking about this we should watch it answer.
Speaker 1Oops, it was a little rough, it was a lot yeah, so again, give it a miss if you like. If these kinds of things upset, you Give it a watch, if you are obsessed with cults and these kinds of I'm obsessed with cults, like not in a weird sort of like I'm going to join a cult, but like you almost got recruited yeah, I did. And I kept telling I'm like no, I'm busy. What was the? What was the cult called?
Speaker 2again, I don't remember it wasn't landmark, but it was landmark. It was landmark, was it landmark?
Speaker 1Yeah, it was landmark, so landmark is. If you are interested in cults, you should definitely look up landmark forum. Basically, they tout themselves as a empowerment for people who are working through business or some kind of nonsense like this, and a place that I used to work at used all of their training for the agency in landmark and they were like you need to come to this session because you know this that whatever offered to pay for me to take these landmark sessions and I was like thanks.
Speaker 2I gotta go.
Speaker 1I'mma head out and literally still to this day saved in my phone as Cult to do not pick up. Yeah, Like let's see Contacts. Gonna, look it up right now. Still here. Do not pick up if I just showed a video of it. So when we put out our cut down, you can see I'm not like this isn't a story, that I'm making up it literally happened.
Speaker 2Yeah, Cult. The funny thing about landmark is we were talking about it because I also talked to a friend of mine about it, because he's a big up Brinne Brown fan and she has ties to them.
Speaker 1Lemon has ties.
Speaker 2Well, that was the top. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1So many people have ties to this landmark forum that are actually like People yeah.
Speaker 2But the thing that, see, I need to do more research into it, because the thing with landmark is they don't have a charismatic leader, it is they seem to use cult thinking and that kind of like tactics and methodology to Well.
Speaker 1I said, it's probably maybe it's like cult adjacent, but they definitely use multi-level marketing tactics. So what they do is, when you go for this quote unquote session, they make you stay there all weekend and you can't talk to anybody else and you aren't allowed to leave, so they keep you captive in this hotel for a weekend.
Speaker 2Well, I mean, it just smacks of like Scientology, of like the auditing process, where it's like, okay, this is raising red flags, this is telling me to run baby.
Speaker 1Well, and it's interesting too, because when I sort of when they were trying to get me to go to this session and I was like no, I can't, Sorry, they were so insistent. They were like this is you not taking your life seriously? And this is you not wanting to improve? Don't you want to improve? And I think, depending on who you are, if someone is using that type of language to break you down which again is cult language, it's all of those tactics you might be like, oh, maybe I should go, Whereas I am a stubborn bitch and I was like I am not coming here, this is crazy.
Speaker 1Yeah, big tourist energy and giving it's giving cult. Yeah.
Speaker 2And good for you for catching it, and also the fact that they're trying to tie this to your livelihood is so insidious.
Speaker 1Well, again, the reason why I was like maybe multi-level marketing is because they make you pay. I think it's like I'm just going to make up a number, but like $10,000. But then if you recruit other people to come, then they give you other courses for cheaper and it's like that's what I mean, where it's like it's just a multi, it's like Nexium operated kind of, in that way, yeah Well, yeah again, it's very.
Speaker 2They're one charismatic leader away from. Yes like Totally pulling a, and maybe there is one. Maybe there's like a Koch brother or like a. What's his face? Who's the evil guy? Who controls the media? Who's oh Rupert?
Speaker 1Murdoch no not him.
Speaker 2Okay, I'm like God keeps his name out of the media. He went to school with Elon Musk. I don't know.
Speaker 1All billionaires.
Speaker 2Yes, all billionaires.
Speaker 1All billionaires are bastards.
Speaker 2Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1I love how we started about Twin Flame and then just went into cults. Yeah, dude, I mean it's all the same.
Speaker 2It's all the same.
Speaker 1Yeah. So I mean, I feel like we've been enjoying ourselves. We've been having critical conversations and keeping ourselves entertained while we deal with grief and autistic burnout. Can't do yeah Cult.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Cult and Elden Ring. Cult and Elden Ring. What more could you ask for? The true trans experience? The true trans experience.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know if there's anything else to talk about.
Speaker 2There's always stuff to talk about. I don't think there's anything else we should talk about.
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Jigalos Watch Along Announcement
Speaker 2I'm going to drop the like thing that I want to do. Great, do it. We're going to try to do a watch along with us. It's going to be our rewatch, but probably most people's first time watch of Jigalos. Yes.
Speaker 1Oh my God Jigalos.
Speaker 2Which is, I think we've talked about before I you know what?
Speaker 1I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2We'll treat it like a uh dry grease. Finale. It's just family.
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