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Rollercoaster Rides and Dark Sides: Escaping Twin Flame, The Bear, and Canada's Drag Race
Life has a way of throwing curveballs, and like anyone else, we've had to juggle a few. We're on the second last episode of S3 before we take a short break, but not without leaving you with another episode that is as neurodivergent as you can imagine.
First, we dive into the second season of "The Bear" which surprised us in the best possible way. It's more than just a food show—it's a slice of life that serves up a hearty meal of emotions and relatable experiences. Then we discuss "Canada's Drag Race," and our current love for Denim and finish the episode by diving into one of our favourite topics: cults.
We share our thoughts, feelings, and insights into the docuseries on Netflix, "Escaping Twin Flames" and the Amazon Prime docuseries, "Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flame". We delve into the dark side of the groups, specifically how the captivating couple Jeff and Shaleia Divine forcibly transition their members and discuss the dark truths behind this alleged online love cult.
Get ready for giggles, insights, and some seriously fabulous pop culture pondering! Don't forget to tune into our last episode of season three on Sunday, December 10th.
If you liked what you heard, maybe think about rating us! You can also find all our social links by visiting our Lnk.Bio page. Heck, if you want - leave us a voicemail. We love to answer questions from our listeners or make suggestions about what you'd like us to cover. Maybe we'll even feature it in a future show!
Life has a way of throwing curveballs, and like anyone else, we've had to juggle a few. We're on the second last episode of S3 before we take a short break, but not without leaving you with another episode that is as neurodivergent as you can imagine.
First, we dive into the second season of "The Bear" which surprised us in the best possible way. It's more than just a food show—it's a slice of life that serves up a hearty meal of emotions and relatable experiences. Then we discuss "Canada's Drag Race," and our current love for Denim and finish the episode by diving into one of our favourite topics: cults.
We share our thoughts, feelings, and insights into the docuseries on Netflix, "Escaping Twin Flames" and the Amazon Prime docuseries, "Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flame". We delve into the dark side of the groups, specifically how the captivating couple Jeff and Shaleia Divine forcibly transition their members and discuss the dark truths behind this alleged online love cult.
Get ready for giggles, insights, and some seriously fabulous pop culture pondering! Don't forget to tune into our last episode of season three on Sunday, December 10th.
If you liked what you heard, maybe think about rating us! You can also find all our social links by visiting our Lnk.Bio page. Heck, if you want - leave us a voicemail. We love to answer questions from our listeners or make suggestions about what you'd like us to cover. Maybe we'll even feature it in a future show!
Welcome to Hi Lowbrow, the show with hyper-attakes on lowbrow culture. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber, and I'm your co-host, river Gilbert, and we are once again back.
Speaker 2:Without a guest. Hey, we said Listen yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't want you to drag me like that. We're not dragging.
Speaker 2:We're just Keeping me honest, not even keeping you honest, just being, like you know, we explicitly said with a guest. Without a guest, we don't know. We're doing our best out here.
Speaker 1:We are doing our best out here. It's been a rough time, dude. I don't think we have shared with our podcast friends that I had a death in the family, and I think that's really impacted.
Speaker 2:Everything, yeah, yeah, well, also Grief is weird like that.
Speaker 1:Grief is weird like that.
Speaker 2:I was going to say like also, I seem to be having health issues every two weeks because, like last time it was, I had bad tummy and yesterday I had another SVT incident.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you want to explain what SVT is for?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's where my heart goes. Hey, guess what you? Your pulse is over 200.
Speaker 1:So y'all, we're, we're out here trying our best, we're doing our best. I'm okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I should preface this with no one's ever died from SVT. It's more a quality of life impact. Yeah, and you know, it just feels like I've run a marathon afterwards.
Speaker 1:That sucks.
Speaker 2:It's not great especially since the first time I had. It was the day before our wedding.
Speaker 1:Yes, that, that is the lore behind. Svt is that it was the day before our wedding. You were getting ready for your bachelor ish party.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And oops all SVT.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I. You were there with our friend Alex and I was like guys, I think I'm having a heart attack.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember that and then, like I think I'm having a heart attack and me being in full like wedding mode was like no, fuck you, we've spent all this money and all of this time.
Speaker 2:Well, you're like. You are marrying me tomorrow, even if you have to come in in a wheelchair.
Speaker 1:I did say that yeah. Yeah, I'm like I'm a monster. I mean thank you for loving me.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so that's again. That's why the episode is late. We're trying our best.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's hard Like life. It's like life finds a way, but it's like life finds a way to fuck over our scheduling.
Speaker 1:Yes, although and I think we talked about this in our last episode too we're basically at the end Like this isn't. This isn't the last episode.
Speaker 2:This is an ultimate episode, though, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, in two weeks it will be our last episode for season three.
Speaker 2:Season three Frees and Sea.
Speaker 1:Frees and Sea, yeah. And then we're going to take a break which, honestly, it could not come at a better time.
Speaker 2:Oh God, I know.
Speaker 1:And it's not like we don't love doing this, because actually, if we do, it's the best.
Speaker 2:It's like literally the high, like I'm like oh man, we should do this all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know, I think we need a break. We do need a break and, like most people in life, we're fucking tired.
Speaker 2:I yeah.
Speaker 1:The way you like thought about it and then we're like yeah, well, it was funny.
Speaker 2:Because I remember I was like do you know what's really funny? I started playing Cyberpunk around this time last year and I'm like and Elden Ring. And I'm like wow, I wonder, it's so funny the way that your brain does this. And I'm like no, this is the busy season. And I am fully in an autistic burnout right now, so I am sequestering myself and not trying to do nothing. Yeah. So, yeah, video games.
Speaker 1:Video games. Great Love that for you, I. What's funny is I actually finally have started listening to my audio books, and I think we've talked about this in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Queen of Audio Books.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had read, read, listened to like.
Speaker 2:It's reading.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 2:I mean they were doing quotation marks.
Speaker 1:I know, but like, listen, I think it's reading. Some of the people don't, whatever they're wrong. I know they're wrong, okay, good, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:I'm not. I'm not like, I'm not mad. Yeah, no, it activates the same part of your brain as reading does. All right yeah, so I get very angry about this.
Speaker 1:I've read the Britney Spears memoir. I'm just finishing Gina Caddwick's book called Heretic. It's about the Christian evangelical growing up in that and realizing you're gay. Is it heretic, maybe?
Speaker 2:yeah, I was just wondering.
Speaker 1:I listen, we know. I don't know how to say. It's all good I was just like heretics.
Speaker 2:So it's, like you know, hereditary, but heretic makes more sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, so Very excited. I have a whole bunch of books on my waitlist, so I get my, my, my library my library card renewed yeah. I know we have a library at the top.
Speaker 2:I know like everywhere we've lived We've had a library at the top of her street because libraries are so fucking cool. I know they're the best. Yeah, video games at libraries now I okay.
Speaker 1:So what's interesting is I was at the library the other day Because that panel that I spoke on for dove it was at the Toronto reference library.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and I guess because of the pandemic they no longer off. Like you can't just use one of the computers there. You can't do printing, you can't do it. So I don't know if it's because of the pandemic or cuts, but either way that's a huge loss, huge loss. Not even just people who you know. You may already have a home and but you don't have a computer like, let's say, your newcomer or something.
Speaker 1:You could go to the library and do that, and I know a lot of times when I went to the library it was people who were you know, we're having a rough go at life, yeah, and they were the ones who usually like, that was their connection point.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm even also thinking like, like everything I think about through the trans lens experience of trans experience, where I'm like, oh my god, like, what about people who it's not safe to use home computers? So look up these things? Yeah, like it's it. That's a huge, huge loss for a community yeah so I hope that that's just that reference library and I'm not like no, I walked by the one that's Said the same thing that sucks, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's why I think it's like it's it's either budget cuts or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really. That's that breaks my heart here.
Speaker 1:I know it said what else has been going on?
Speaker 2:So we want to talk about happy things now.
Speaker 1:I guess I mean we've spent what? Almost seven minutes or so Just being trauma, dumping on our listeners. Yeah, sorry. Thank you for the free therapy session that you didn't know that you signed up for.
Speaker 2:Well, time stamp it. Yeah, you can skip past our bitching.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Mean, but what is life without bitching?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the extra, that's. It's the salt of life, right yeah?
Speaker 1:Like I genuinely do not believe Because we're in that we're very behind on some shows we're not behind on all shows, but we're, I'd say, in the middle of the current season of sex education and At the new college that they go to the school. The whole thing is that they're they don't gossip jar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like they don't subscribe to gossip. Mm-hmm, I'm just like I could not live. That would not be for me. Like I literally Literally everything the foundations of my life are built on gossip and tea. I Mean where's the lie? Where's the lie, what like anyways. So that's how I feel, like I'm sorry that this was extra salty, but also.
Speaker 2:You know, this is the, the tax.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for listening.
Speaker 2:This is the listening tax the listening tax.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you want to talk about? That's positive, we could talk about there, yeah, we.
Speaker 2:So, like I just said, we're very behind on shows and everything we I mean that stemmed from binging the entirety of Vanderpump rules in two months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's why we're behind.
Speaker 2:And I remember we finished that and I was like I can't go into like actual, like proper TV, like I need. I can't start watching the bear immediately after Vanderpump rules, we need to like it's like I would get the TV show bedding, yes, from like surfacing to quality Too quick, yeah.
Speaker 1:But finally we were like let's watch it, yeah, and and I think also and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you were feeling a little bit of anxiety around the first season of the bear was very intense.
Speaker 2:I was so stressful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like if you've ever worked in food service, if you've ever worked in any kind of kitchen environment, it like everything that happened in that show you have personally experienced at one point or another. Yeah so like yeah, I Mean Maddie Matheson is a producer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he like that's probably why it hit so close to home, where I'm like, oh my god, it's like working in a Toronto kitchen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I have interviewed Maddie tons of times Before he was famous for being a producer on the bear. Before he was, like you know, this person who had a wildly popular YouTube. Yeah, he used to do these cooking series videos, which I think is what made him really popular on vice, and so he was always in Toronto. He was always just sort of like cooking at different events here. So I've had the opportunity to interview him a few times. What I will say is that, like the person that Maddie is in his YouTube's and like how he is, just like I'm Maddie Matheson.
Speaker 2:That's literally who he is, yeah but he's a genuinely nice person.
Speaker 1:He also got sober a few years back. He did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that. So I was gonna say I knew him through a mutual friend, a Friends mutual friend, yes, who was both of their co-dealers.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I, that's, that's yeah. No, he's not like that I know no and and what I found, too, was he, and he could have been lying, but he was always really like I've met you before. Oh yeah, we like we've talked this time she had that Bill Clinton charm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that. That level of charisma where you feel like you're the only person in the world Nailed it. Yeah, no, he like him and the guys from Anchored and like there's like some very, very genuine people like that. Yes like the food service industry, and they all seem to like run together. Yeah, and it's wonderful when they do.
Speaker 1:But the bear season two now that we've talked about Maddie for like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're done. Stuck in 90s dick and I. This season was such a departure from last season like it was Okay. Spoilers, obviously, because we're the last people to watch this, but I Loved, like how I cried during a husband's redemption arc.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that episode was forks right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, favorite episode of the season. Yeah, like emphatically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I. I also. I didn't fill out cry, but I got very emotional. Yeah, I think we all know a person like cousin.
Speaker 2:Well, like we're gonna get real real for a second. Yeah, that's literally basically what happened to me. Okay was like I was coasting, I had a huge, terrible breakup and I needed something to throw myself into. Yeah, so I didn't kill myself. Okay, and coffee was there. Yeah, so that was like I was just like God, I've been there. Richie Cousin.
Speaker 1:You're getting emotional right now. I am no, it was like favorite episode yeah. I think was it the Fish's episode. Oh my god, yeah where it's like literally every single Celebrity actor that you can possibly think of hour long.
Speaker 2:We, because we started it and I was like this feels like a long episode and we paused it and it was like, oh it's cuz it's 74 minutes long. Yeah, it's an hour long, but Jamie Lee Curtis says the mom. Yep, john Mulaney is one of the cousins. Yeah, sarah Paulson as another one of the cousins yeah, bob Odin Kirk yes, the mother's boyfriend. What's his face from oh?
Speaker 1:yeah, his name is Mikey. He John, it's a John, I don't know, I don't. Anyways, the guy from the Punisher he's also an origin that I saw during Tiff like he's a great actor, but also didn't we say this, while we're like they're trying to position him as being Italian, but he don't like really I Don't think, I think I. I.
Speaker 2:Don't know. I thought he was maybe so very tall, hmm. Like perhaps yes, we'll have to we'll have to look at it, yeah.
Speaker 1:But the episode was really good because I don't think they did it in one shot.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't.
Speaker 1:But very frantically. Yeah, but the franticness is like we've all been at those family dinners and for American friends it's American Thanksgiving. Yeah currently and.
Speaker 2:You, you're feeling that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just like I've been here and I hate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I was saying to you. I was like this is what I remember childhood Christmas dinners being like. And you were like how did you handle that? And I was like I just laughed.
Speaker 1:That's me in all situations. I'm like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta. Piece of it.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go outside, I'll rake some leaves. I'm a head out. I'm a head out.
Speaker 1:You're like that TikTok trend of men walking trough anything before people. Sorry, when you said I'm gonna go rake leaves, I'm like, oh, the TikTok trend.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, but you know, to be fair, I was like eight, I wasn't helping one way or the other.
Speaker 1:So, like that episode was great, but what I felt about this season and tell me if you think the same is that they really tried to it wasn't as intense, but the stories that they told were grounded and really made you like connect and feel for these people.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing that I loved about the season was everybody got their own like huge development episode, Like with the exception of sugar. I feel like she was fairly underdeveloped this season still like a little more. But everybody else got their own episode and except for Karmie and watching everybody grow and him falling back into old patterns in the last episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, didn't we have a conversation where we were like Karmie's, autistic? Yeah, I think, so we can't diagnose him. And they've never explicitly said it.
Speaker 2:No, but like you know, we've all worked in kitchens where we know it's the same as fucking coffee. It's like you. That's like a way that you can mask and black and white thinking. It's like oh cool, there is a correct way of doing this and anyone who's not correct is wrong. Yeah, and then that sort of the autism for me, yeah. And also he's very quiet and he's yeah, so I mean when all of his family was like this.
Speaker 1:This girl likes you you should just like. He just couldn't. He was like is this what I'm supposed to be doing? Is this my girlfriend?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I like I can relate yeah. Yeah, and I'll big way. I loved the finale Because they did half of it was a winner. Like back and forth through the kitchen from front of house, back of house and then they I don't remember where they made the first cut. It might have been when cousin took over on expo. Yeah, but like yeah, no, it was just wonderfully shot. I like everything felt great. I loved the line cook that they found in the back smoking and crack.
Speaker 1:Oh, was it math? I thought it was either way, either way.
Speaker 2:Mark is coming back in and be like so I found him smoking meth, do I fire him? She's like oh yeah, absolutely fire him.
Speaker 1:And once again, we all know that's actually happened.
Speaker 2:Of course that Maddie Matheson probably plucked that from a real life experience.
Speaker 1:Probably like 100. Math, could you imagine? Just like someone tweaked out. I mean, I get to cook all your food.
Speaker 2:I mean you know everyone. I've known most front of house and back of house people to do a bump of Coke on shift in the bathroom. He totally did, but like and like. I've known people to like smoke, like, do a weed before or mid shift and some of them got fired for it.
Speaker 1:obviously, I mean weed I'm more okay with than meth, Of course.
Speaker 2:But yes, no, as soon as there's like a line where it's like Huh, meth is the bad place yeah. Yeah, I fit yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean we, we finally got to catch up on that it was.
Speaker 2:it was a good it was a great season. I really enjoyed it. I could have probably have a watching it sooner than we watched it, because it wasn't as triggering for me as the first season. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I, for anybody who hasn't watched it yet, I would say if the first season was way too intense for you, you should go and watch the second season. It's great television and I just found out on on the internet that season three is going to be out.
Speaker 2:like there, they got renewed, which obviously it's like the best show on TV right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally. So. That's exciting. Yeah, another show before we move into our final topic that we would like to discuss. Recently, canada's dry grace season four just started. Yes, it did you?
Speaker 2:we watched the first episode together and I was like let's watch this. And you're like I watched the next episode without you because I figured you wouldn't want to watch it.
Speaker 1:I mean, you didn't watch last season?
Speaker 2:I didn't because I didn't care. But then this season came around and I was like, oh, this actually seems pretty solid.
Speaker 1:They're all solid, but anyways, I think Canada's dry grace season four. One thing that we've talked about is that dry grace as a franchise as a whole, there's just too much over saturated over saturate, like I know everyone's like people should complain about having too much of a good thing, but it's like no, no, no, like it's too much, I don't care it like took parts that I do care about and just ran them into the ground and I'm like I don't care about any of it.
Speaker 1:Right, like we happen to be with magic, yeah, like we used to watch the UK drag race, but we haven't watched it since, like the second or third season, because it's too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, denim's awesome.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. So for season four, canada's dry grace denim is a transmask autistic dry queen.
Speaker 2:Wonderful, Just the most want like yes they like got. Mick, but Canadian the first episode where they came out in that like acid cow outfit.
Speaker 1:Yes, the one where Tegan and Sarah were like this is something I would hallucinate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of my favorite looks of all time Like it was.
Speaker 1:It was brought me back to like crystal method and like well, I think it makes sense, because Pethia is denims like either drag mom or they're in the same drag family, and if you were a huge fan of Pethia, then you're going to be a fan of dinner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you are like Pethia is like number one stand.
Speaker 1:I've been following denim online for like, since Pethia has been on drag race season three. Canada's drag race season three, you like? Was it only season?
Speaker 2:three that she was on yes. Oh my god, I just know. Like every show you go to, I'm like go on, because Pethia is going to be there.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're kind of amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Also like I'm not gay, but they are hot like not gay male. Okay, I was like like I'm not the person that they would want to.
Speaker 2:I was like Emma, is this a conversation we should be having on air?
Speaker 1:Anyways, there's also the girlfriend experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've seen another trans queen. I've seen them perform a few times as well. They are like. I remember the first time I saw them and I came home and showed you this video and was like look at that body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that, like I related to Drag Race. Apparently, the first cis woman has won a Drag Race franchise.
Speaker 1:I know, I heard, yeah, it was, it's by new, or was it I?
Speaker 2:thought it was Germany, who fucking knows?
Speaker 1:It's so many Drag Races, so many Drag Races. But yes, I heard that, yeah, it's like oh, that's neat, yeah, that's cool, we've had trans women win, yeah, Women who are also women.
Speaker 2:But you know we can celebrate cis women too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can celebrate all people. Yeah, man, it's interesting because, watching the season of Canada's Drag Race 4, and I think I said this to you before I was like I know 90, like I've seen 90 drag races yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2:Well, I remember when Priyanka was on, you were like I've seen her at the Drake and like Well, I saw her perform a drag brunch the week before she went away for Canada. Yeah, like, it was like right when she first started too.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You've gone to like some of her first shows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's never performed well. She's performed in Toronto again, but, like, what I'm saying is she's not performing in Toronto.
Speaker 2:No, she's not a local queen anymore. No, she's an international.
Speaker 1:International so like it's still. Oh, I've only seen Jimbo once or twice.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And that was after they were on Drag Race. But like now to see Jimbo it's like Jimbo's from Vancouver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, not local.
Speaker 1:Not local, but I mean some of these like girlfriend experiences from Vancouver, Venus I don't know if anybody else knows this, but Venus's actual name was Venus Cunt, and then they had to.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's funny, it's the Titty Boy. 2 Chainz experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or like Jan Sport, Jan Sport, just Jan.
Speaker 2:Just Jan.
Speaker 1:So I think it's one of those where it's like, oh yeah, we can't, you know, put you on television and call you a cunt.
Speaker 2:Alaska Thunderfuck yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:I've seen Venus before, like I've seen basically all these queens. All this is to say is that this season is actually, I feel, going to be incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds stacked. Yeah, like I wish I'd seen the second episode.
Speaker 1:You could still watch it I can?
Speaker 2:I probably won't though.
Speaker 1:Anyways. So that's my recommendation Go watch K-Tribe Race. Now should we talk about.
Speaker 2:Because, man, you just threw that drag race one in, yeah you know, I just love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, we have a script.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talk about, what we talk about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's the experience you come for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the girlfriend experience.
Speaker 1:I was going to say it's the neurodivergent experience. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:Twin Flames.
Speaker 1:Twin Flames universe. There's two documentaries currently.
Speaker 2:Netflix and Prime, amazon Prime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and with these documentaries you're getting two different experiences.
Speaker 2:Two different girlfriend experiences? Yeah, yeah, full circle. Which did you prefer?
Speaker 1:I think they complement each other. I agree, I think I preferred the Netflix one.
Speaker 2:Interesting, I preferred the Prime one.
Speaker 1:See, I was going to say the reason I Prime is like it was done by Allison Hines, who was the investigative journalist who wrote a. Yeah, wrote about Jeff and Shalia of the Twin Flames universe in a Vanity Fair profile. Thank you, so I really liked that. That one was like analytical. It was showing there were things in that series that we did not get in the Netflix one. Yeah, the other thing that we also got in the Amazon Prime series about Twin Flames was trigger warnings. I was just about to say, was it?
Speaker 2:trigger warnings Because I had to stop watching the Netflix one in the third episode where I was like I need to go to the bathroom. Then I went upstairs and I'm like, oh, I'm shaking, I can't watch this right now.
Speaker 1:Do you want to explain?
Speaker 2:Okay, so for everybody who doesn't, for anyone who doesn't know the Twin Flame experience. Basically, the whole concept is hey, you have like a soulmate, but they call it a Twin Flame and you have to sacrifice everything to be with this person, because they are the ultimate person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like by sacrificing everything. It's like if this person has a block due, you then show up at their house. If this person says they don't want to be with you, you have to continue.
Speaker 2:If they're married, you have to break them up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like it's. Wild and so yeah, and it progresses from like that into like, oh, they've gone into religious organization, followed by oh, they've gone full-blown cult.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like starting their own church so that they didn't have to pay taxes. Yeah, they also had like different business entities under the Twin Flame, like was it a meal planning service?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a meal planning service where they were like shipping hot dogs and like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like shit that.
Speaker 2:Everybody like it's not a problem. But like, everybody gained weight and like. Yeah, yeah it was not like a healthy box or done by a nutritionist or Right.
Speaker 1:They were just like here. You need to subscribe to our diet because, like I, didn't even get the rationale. Tbh, was it so that you could meet your Twin Flame?
Speaker 2:I got confused. I don't know man.
Speaker 1:I maybe. Anyways, jeff and Shalia they originally met on the internet and at this time Jeff was Ender Ender, I was forgetting what the name was yeah, Ender. Ender, and he was hawking himself out as a life coach.
Speaker 2:At the ripe old age of what? 25? Yeah 20.
Speaker 1:And like saying shit, like I can cure your cancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what does this fucking jaundice twink know about life?
Speaker 1:He was like First of all, jeff and Shalia had some choices for style, like Jeff's, going from his short hair to his long hair, and he was like I am the second coming of Jesus.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying I'm Jesus, but Jesus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like look at the material and then Shalia and her makeup.
Speaker 2:I don't, and like I think mid, like through the Netflix, I was like these people are new money because, like Every single time they're like look at my Porsche, yeah. And like she would be wearing like Gucci, and then show up on videos wearing, like you know, fruit of the loom, like cotton t-shirts. And I was like girl, like no one cares, are you a style icon? Like, or and all of the makeup was like.
Speaker 1:It was bad.
Speaker 2:Choices were made.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that TikTok that we had. That came up for us the other day where it was some woman who's a comedian, was pretending to be Jeff and Shalia and telling one of their like followers, disciples, whatever were following them that they had to. The reason why you had a hard time had to change their gender because they were a divine masculine.
Speaker 2:So this is, this is where they started getting into the terrible territory. I mean already bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, already bad.
Speaker 2:But like so they decided that originally they're like hey, lesbian, gay, that's totally fine. But then they were like but there's a divine masculine and a defined feminine. They're like don't love that, but okay.
Speaker 1:So I think we were joking around and I'm like clearly our dynamics would be you're the divine feminine and I'm the divine masculine. What would my male name be?
Speaker 2:Dan Dan Manda.
Speaker 1:Dan Manda and like here's. The thing is that while we were watching this we had to pause a few times. We talked about like wow, it's really shitty because it's forced transition. No-transcript.
Speaker 2:Originally it was just divine masculine, divine feminine and you could just be like you know, kind of butch and it's fine. But then it got into the point where they're like, hey, you need to transition. Yeah you need to have like. Why are you still like? The reason I said Dan was, there, was Anne and he was just like. You need a man name. How about Dan? Yeah, just You're Dan now, dan the man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like people would tell them, like I'm straight, like I know, and they're like yeah, that's fine, the person that we've, like paired you up with, they're divine masculine, even though it's Like and they didn't tell the person.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so there's a lot of. There's a that that came out of left field in episode three on the net flex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think, like We've seen, like nexium, we've seen all the shit that they've done, all of these different cults, we've like we see how it unfolds, but this was a weird sort of like.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like a cult that doesn't have a conclusion. Yet this is like ongoing, right, this is. I was gonna say it's not the first time, because we watched that that's sex, female orgasm.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, documentary. I feel like Like why I was in Twin Flames hooking up with these people and then they could have been like now you were to inflate, you know why they weren't?
Speaker 2:because Jeff's peddling male dominance, whereas the other one was peddling female empowerment, and you don't know that class, because Jeff's Opinions on sex and when you have to say yes as a woman and talking about sexually assaulting his wife was not good, yeah, it was cut.
Speaker 1:It was kind of a lot. It was not, it was.
Speaker 2:Anyways, it was a lot my suggestion for viewing order is watch the if you're at all like, oh yeah, we need to watch this. Watch the Amazon Prime one first, because they give you the trigger warnings, yeah, and they'll be like hey, just so you know this is not good what I did appreciate with both documentaries or, you know, films, whatever we want to call it, is that they did actually speak to people researchers, therapists in the.
Speaker 1:LGBTQ plus community to sort of solidify, like what they're doing is Not okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had to trans Trans people who were speaking as like Experts in the side of like the field, like yeah.
Speaker 1:I think one of the things I said to you while we were viewing it too was you know, given what we know about the conservatives, evangelical Christians, america as a whole, they would take something like this To sort of use it against trans people.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, this is the kind of thing that people are like oh yeah, they're pushing an agenda.
Speaker 1:That's like Some people are pushing an agenda, but those people like the calls coming from within the house right and like Um, I think it was the prime one but apparently, like Someone who did transition, they're still living as their transition gender several of them. Yeah, like they didn't de-transition. There are people who did de-transition.
Speaker 2:Of course um, because this was never 2% of the population, baby, yeah, it's like but like, and again, that's not like.
Speaker 1:Maybe this was something positive, but we will never like I'm gonna have hazarded guests and say it was not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's. It's hard to tell when people are being brainwashed, right, it's like is this good for you or is this because You've?
Speaker 1:you've bought in right and you feel scared to sort of yeah, say One way or the other, how you're feeling actually? Um, because you know, in both of the series they showed videos of Jeff in their like school Sessions where he was literally gaslighting people.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the whole the mirror exercise, right? Yes, it's convincing you to gaslight yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was, it was a lot.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, it's. That was a hard watch. Like the more I sit with it, the more I'm like that one was tough. Yeah, I wish that, like going into it. I haven't seen the full picture.
Speaker 1:Well, we didn't really know what it was like. We didn't google what is twin flame?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first before, and we just were like everybody's talking about this we should watch it answer.
Speaker 1:Oops, it was a little rough, it was a lot yeah, so again, give it a miss if you like. If these kinds of things upset, you Give it a watch, if you are obsessed with cults and these kinds of I'm obsessed with cults, like not in a weird sort of like I'm going to join a cult, but like you almost got recruited yeah, I did. And I kept telling I'm like no, I'm busy. What was the? What was the cult called?
Speaker 2:again, I don't remember it wasn't landmark, but it was landmark. It was landmark, was it landmark?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was landmark, so landmark is. If you are interested in cults, you should definitely look up landmark forum. Basically, they tout themselves as a empowerment for people who are working through business or some kind of nonsense like this, and a place that I used to work at used all of their training for the agency in landmark and they were like you need to come to this session because you know this that whatever offered to pay for me to take these landmark sessions and I was like thanks.
Speaker 2:I gotta go.
Speaker 1:I'mma head out and literally still to this day saved in my phone as Cult to do not pick up. Yeah, Like let's see Contacts. Gonna, look it up right now. Still here. Do not pick up if I just showed a video of it. So when we put out our cut down, you can see I'm not like this isn't a story, that I'm making up it literally happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cult. The funny thing about landmark is we were talking about it because I also talked to a friend of mine about it, because he's a big up Brinne Brown fan and she has ties to them.
Speaker 1:Lemon has ties.
Speaker 2:Well, that was the top. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:So many people have ties to this landmark forum that are actually like People yeah.
Speaker 2:But the thing that, see, I need to do more research into it, because the thing with landmark is they don't have a charismatic leader, it is they seem to use cult thinking and that kind of like tactics and methodology to Well.
Speaker 1:I said, it's probably maybe it's like cult adjacent, but they definitely use multi-level marketing tactics. So what they do is, when you go for this quote unquote session, they make you stay there all weekend and you can't talk to anybody else and you aren't allowed to leave, so they keep you captive in this hotel for a weekend.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it just smacks of like Scientology, of like the auditing process, where it's like, okay, this is raising red flags, this is telling me to run baby.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's interesting too, because when I sort of when they were trying to get me to go to this session and I was like no, I can't, Sorry, they were so insistent. They were like this is you not taking your life seriously? And this is you not wanting to improve? Don't you want to improve? And I think, depending on who you are, if someone is using that type of language to break you down which again is cult language, it's all of those tactics you might be like, oh, maybe I should go, Whereas I am a stubborn bitch and I was like I am not coming here, this is crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big tourist energy and giving it's giving cult. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And good for you for catching it, and also the fact that they're trying to tie this to your livelihood is so insidious.
Speaker 1:Well, again, the reason why I was like maybe multi-level marketing is because they make you pay. I think it's like I'm just going to make up a number, but like $10,000. But then if you recruit other people to come, then they give you other courses for cheaper and it's like that's what I mean, where it's like it's just a multi, it's like Nexium operated kind of, in that way, yeah Well, yeah again, it's very.
Speaker 2:They're one charismatic leader away from. Yes like Totally pulling a, and maybe there is one. Maybe there's like a Koch brother or like a. What's his face? Who's the evil guy? Who controls the media? Who's oh Rupert?
Speaker 1:Murdoch no not him.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm like God keeps his name out of the media. He went to school with Elon Musk. I don't know.
Speaker 1:All billionaires.
Speaker 2:Yes, all billionaires.
Speaker 1:All billionaires are bastards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1:I love how we started about Twin Flame and then just went into cults. Yeah, dude, I mean it's all the same.
Speaker 2:It's all the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I mean, I feel like we've been enjoying ourselves. We've been having critical conversations and keeping ourselves entertained while we deal with grief and autistic burnout. Can't do yeah Cult.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cult and Elden Ring. Cult and Elden Ring. What more could you ask for? The true trans experience? The true trans experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if there's anything else to talk about.
Speaker 2:There's always stuff to talk about. I don't think there's anything else we should talk about.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we can make something up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
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Speaker 2:Yeah.
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Speaker 2:I'm going to drop the like thing that I want to do. Great, do it. We're going to try to do a watch along with us. It's going to be our rewatch, but probably most people's first time watch of Jigalos. Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh my God Jigalos.
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Speaker 2:It's always the show.
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Speaker 2:No guest.
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll have a guest, maybe we won't. We'll see.
Speaker 2:We'll treat it like a uh dry grease. Finale. It's just family.
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