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Behind Closed Doors: Unzipping the Hilarity and Drama on Showtime Series Gigolos (Episode 3 & 4)
Ever wondered if the life of a high-class escort is as glamorous as it seems? We're back to spill the tea on our limited edition four-episode re-watch of Showtime's own Gigolos.
This time, we're dissecting the quirks of episodes three and four, where we witness everything from Brace's date with an industry plant to Jimmy's toe-curling shenanigans with a wanna-be dominatrix. Get ready to unpack episodes three and four with us because not only are we both left bewildered but highly entertained, like when Brace pitches his latest pyramid scheme—oops, we mean, business opportunity.
Also in today's episode: we're chatting about the blurred lines between pleasure and business. Plus, we have an emotional conversation on the struggles the guys face with friends and loved ones with their risqué careers, and why those real-life implications of their chosen profession are kinda stupid.
Don't forget to join us every Tuesday for the next four weeks as we re-watch Gigolos. We'll be back with S4 in the next little in a few months. But if you like what you hear, leave a review or share with a friend. See you next week!
Ever wondered if the life of a high-class escort is as glamorous as it seems? We're back to spill the tea on our limited edition four-episode re-watch of Showtime's own Gigolos.
This time, we're dissecting the quirks of episodes three and four, where we witness everything from Brace's date with an industry plant to Jimmy's toe-curling shenanigans with a wanna-be dominatrix. Get ready to unpack episodes three and four with us because not only are we both left bewildered but highly entertained, like when Brace pitches his latest pyramid scheme—oops, we mean, business opportunity.
Also in today's episode: we're chatting about the blurred lines between pleasure and business. Plus, we have an emotional conversation on the struggles the guys face with friends and loved ones with their risqué careers, and why those real-life implications of their chosen profession are kinda stupid.
Don't forget to join us every Tuesday for the next four weeks as we re-watch Gigolos. We'll be back with S4 in the next little in a few months. But if you like what you hear, leave a review or share with a friend. See you next week!
Welcome to High Low Brow. The show with high brow takes on low brow culture. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber, and I'm your co-host, River Gilbert, and we're back for a second installment, if you will.
Speaker 2:And we're back for a second installment of our jiggaloo's rewatch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jiggaloo's rewatch. If you haven't listened to the first episode of this rewatch, you should do that because this won't make sense otherwise. Yeah, how do you feel now that we're half over? I know we watched. This episode is going to be all about episodes three and four of season one. I think it's funny because I felt like and you can tell me if you felt the same way but these episodes didn't hit the same as episodes one and two.
Speaker 2:I think that's why we didn't remember them. I think there were moments in these episodes, so I mean, episode three was a Brace and Jimmy episode, so it starts off with Brace hanging out with his friend who's model?
Speaker 1:I put she is definitely an industry plant.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%, Because she was like well, I don't normally hire escorts because I don't need to, but I wanted to hang out with Brace and it's like uh-huh, yeah.
Speaker 1:The other thing that she also said was that she preferred older men. I know.
Speaker 2:I have. She has daddy issues if she's into Brace and then I said, well, yeah, there we go. She likes paying older men.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then immediately after that, brace talks about how he's thrown out his back.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was like this is what you're paying for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the whole, that's the experience.
Speaker 1:You paid for the drink. The drink G-F-E or G-P-E?
Speaker 2:grandpa experience yeah, I love the dog barking in the background.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, those are things you just can't get rid of. Yeah, it's like emotionless there. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But yes, definitely industry plant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just like when you talked about before all the other people and you were like they're definitely a plant or they're definitely in the industry, they're pros. I was like this girl is a model, yeah, and like she, was built like she was.
Speaker 2:Like she fucks on camera for money. Yeah, yeah, 100%. So flash forward to Jimmy meeting his client for the episode, samantha.
Speaker 1:Yes, I had. She seems like you're typical this is going to be such a read, but she seems like your typical nerd who reads comics and is on the internet, yeah, and just like kind of shy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was a photography assistant.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like that all gels with that at you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's just she was wearing these like heart earrings. She had a poorly like. Her hair was poorly dyed black.
Speaker 2:Do you know who? She reminded me of? Calla from TikTok, who has the underground, the suburban mining.
Speaker 1:I mean I could, I can see that, but not a one to one.
Speaker 2:Not a one to one, for sure.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm like do you just want to talk about?
Speaker 2:this I always want to talk about.
Speaker 1:yeah, You're like I just want to talk about the tip of the. Yeah, she got a stop work order. Yeah, anyways.
Speaker 2:So we find out that Samantha wants to dominate Jimmy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's very interesting because, as Samantha is talking about this, as she's like sharing her fantasies and like what she's into and yada, yada, yada, it's the Jimmy that we get in this episode is like entirely different than what we got in episode one and two. I specifically wrote go on, jimmy, give us nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well it's. This is Jimmy the consummate professional, because he's very clear of me not into this.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But he's like it's what she wants and I'm giving her exactly what she wants and that's all I can give her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I have the quote written down. I want to control a man and deny him any happiness.
Speaker 1:I mean same Samantha.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Samantha is all of us.
Speaker 2:So she puts him in a Chastity Cage, yeah, and says also, that shit looked like it was ordered off of Amazon.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Amazon existed in 2011, but like how real do you want to get right now? We don't have to get very real. I was just like that's a more expensive bottle, Is it? It is yeah. The more you know, the more in there you know.
Speaker 2:And he hates it.
Speaker 1:And he hates it, he hates it.
Speaker 2:I have an all capital letters. Oh, he hates it.
Speaker 1:I mean I feel like OK. So this was my other question as we were going through the scene was. So I know you have to pay extra for certain services if you want like a weekend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to pay five grand. Yeah, but like Starts at five grand.
Speaker 1:Right, but I was thinking about this. So, yes, they can be hired for like two hours at this. You know rate, but if you want to do certain fetishes, I wonder if you have to pay extra 100%.
Speaker 2:So that was I have. I have written down dude, she's, she's be paying, she's going to be paying money for this Because her whole thing is the longer you last in the Chastity Cage, the more money I'll give you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And effectively it she has to pay a opportunity cost because he can't see any other clients. Yep, so she is asking for 24 hour service at this point, yeah, and you can make arguments like oh, it's kind of a vacation, ha ha ha, but it's like no, this is work, it is 100% work.
Speaker 1:So, I was thinking. I was like, hmm, so I wonder, because it was he got to three days. I don't think we're spoiling it is spoiler alert but like would that be considered a weekend?
Speaker 2:A weekend plus a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That, that my guess, is. She paid probably $7,500 for it, or maybe seven grand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought maybe like close to 10. I don't, maybe for the fetish yeah because of the fetish charge, because of the fetish charge, because of the fetish charge.
Speaker 2:Also, she had him go shopping for her Right. So and my I have written down, we'll get to it. But I was wondering if she gave her, him, a credit card or if he was like you're going to have to reimburse me for this because sex toys aren't cheap.
Speaker 1:No, they are not, and she had a list. She had a list it was a list. Yeah, she was like listen, if I'm paying you close to 10 G's for this experience? Yeah, we're doing everything.
Speaker 2:It's like girl, you, you, you get it Like. But there are definitely cheaper ways to do this, like go take some, go take some doming courses and do this professionally for like a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think, to what I also got from. So, stephen, when Jimmy meets up with the, with the gang, and tells them that he has this chastity case on the cage, as they call, it. Stephen calls the client a weirdo and they yeah, I was like, can we not have these people keep make, keep making fun of the people that are providing, like paying for their services?
Speaker 2:It is one of those weird, because I can kind of get it.
Speaker 1:It's like I mean of course it's being filled.
Speaker 2:It is being filmed. That is the difference.
Speaker 1:I think if it was just them and they were talking, fine. But the fact that they're being filmed for reality television show that this person also consented to being on, and then they're going to watch it and be like wow, this person called me a fucking weirdo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I think back to like the service jobs that I've had and it's like that's kind of like rule number one is you do whatever you need to do, get through the shift, never shit talking from customers Like it doesn't like even shit talking other customers to customers, because then other customers are like oh what are they saying about me?
Speaker 1:So yeah, I do, I do agree, my, I think from this entire diet, like when they were having this conversation, when they were talking about it, my favorite quote was Vin saying wow, this is some fucked up white people shit. This is some fucked up, white people and I read like that's not necessarily something, like he's not saying that about the client, he's just saying that about the service period. Yeah, which Cockages period. I'm like Vin.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. So in addition to being at the bar talking about the, the Chastity Cage, we get introduced to Brace's life goal, which is starting a NutriSuticals company.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think when Brace was showcasing ageless NutriSuticals by Brace the thing that I loved the most about this was the shitty PowerPoint deck that he put together that he printed off and put on like poly. Like, yeah, bristol, yeah whatever, but like when he was showing the guys on his computer at the house. I was just like okay.
Speaker 2:So I have written down Brace is fully in an MLM because it's giving her the life.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it is so kind of, kind of on that vein. He goes to pitch passion product or prash and products. Before we get to that, can we?
Speaker 2:finish talking about the bringing the guys in. Okay, because Jimmy shows off the cage at their request and they all go eww. And then we find out about Steven that he does not wear underwear.
Speaker 1:Yes. And he's like I wonder if he has sensory issues. Maybe, he could, he could be, he could have a touch of the Tism Could, very good. I mean, I don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I mean as a person with a vagina. I just don't know if I could not wear underwear. I think I did it for like a little bit, and I was like I change your pants more frequently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's disgusting. Yeah it's. I mean I wouldn't call it not disgusting, but there is a reason. There's more discharge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think for men it's like it's a little bit easier. You're not dealing with all of the moisture it is.
Speaker 2:I will say this as like it is partially hormonal. Yeah, because, like when I like when I had cis male levels of hormones, it was considerably easier to wear underwear, whereas nowadays it is a week and it has a different smell to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah so yeah, yeah. So. So, guys, can we talk now about Brace and his pitching to passion products? That doesn't happen yet. I mean, who cares?
Speaker 2:Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine fine.
Speaker 1:So goes into pitch passion product or products, whatever Me being me, I was like I need to go look this place up. And one. It looks like it is some type of MLM no-transcript. They tout themselves as a technology company and they sell like a lot of like.
Speaker 2:This is how you can get business, biohack your body and close your deals. So they're like Andrew Tate supporter kind of deal. Yeah, very, very that, and it was like it seems like the kind of company that breaks me rich.
Speaker 1:For sure, 100%. Goes to Alex Jones first, followed by yeah well, at first, when I saw passion products, I was like is this a sex toy company?
Speaker 2:That's what I thought too.
Speaker 1:That's why I had to go look it up.
Speaker 2:But Brace being so out of his depth for this conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the guy I put, the guy who Brace is pitching, basically tells him he ain't shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, he's the guy being like so what are your qualifications to be able to do a product like this? And he's like who's a bodybuilder for a while and I did 17 years in martial arts and it's like and where does the biochemistry part come in?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like I don't know, I just I just live here, man.
Speaker 2:Then he starts asking about packaging, about distribution, about manufacturing. He's like I've talked a little bit about that, but not a lot, and I have my notes. Dude, have you thought about this?
Speaker 1:Well, he's got a lot of money riding on it.
Speaker 2:I just don't understand why he would go in and talk to a smaller distributor before having a product.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I wrote this down my Brace, braceology, brace Awesome, flawfully is Welcome to Brace Land, welcome to Brace Land. You know, I mean, it's Brace's world and we're just living in it. So he's got the confidence of a white man, and you know Brace.
Speaker 2:Brace leaves the A meeting and energized yeah, he's like. I'm so passionate and excited about this.
Speaker 1:I love that. Being like Brace, you have no idea what you're doing. Do we want to go back?
Speaker 2:Yes, talk about Sammys. So we have day two of Samantha and Jimmy.
Speaker 1:Oh right.
Speaker 2:So he goes back to her first thing in the morning to be like, hey, I got your stuff, he's so not into this.
Speaker 1:No, like. This is why I was just like oh, this is uncomfortable to watch.
Speaker 2:So she, he buys her like suction cup restraints, which I'm like. Those are bad, Like think of every time you've used a suction cup and any time that it's gone right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and I have. While he keeps, she keeps slapping him. He's just like okay, my guess is he's charging for slap.
Speaker 1:Who knows, Like I don't. If anybody has some insight into this, I would love to know, Not just shame, but mostly just curious. So here's my thing.
Speaker 2:This is what bet life is for.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know, like I'm sure the power dynamic and paying somebody for it is part of it, but you can find people who like doing this for free.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. Why are you like you're paying someone because it adds to the like. You know, adds to the fantasy.
Speaker 2:The fantasy yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's the same as seek but, like makes you feel like a baller. Yeah, but to your point you could just go and bet life 100%.
Speaker 2:Pay zero dollars. Zero dollars. Make some friends Go to a munch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jimmy makes it to three days.
Speaker 2:Jimmy makes it to three days. She paid like the fact that she unlocks it, slaps him and then doesn't even fuck him.
Speaker 1:No, they don't fuck at all. Wild I don't even think that they kiss.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like.
Speaker 2:Strictly business.
Speaker 1:It was strictly business on both sides.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like I hate this and she was like I love it and part of my loving it is not giving you any thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We have to talk about Sammy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to talk about Sammy. I'm like, can we talk about Sammy?
Speaker 2:We have to talk about Sammy.
Speaker 1:Tell me your thoughts. So, nick.
Speaker 2:Nick. Nick sees a client named Sammy and she's professional. She's like I work a hundred hours a week, I don't have time for dating and I have in all capital letters it's a bolo tie. I have huge nipples, nipples, but it's a little uncomfortable. It gets uncomfortable, they're in the act and he's laying on a stomach and he's like I'm at your disposal, mostly entirely at your disposal. You just can't put anything in my ass and she goes nothing and she really pushes boundaries.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree, I think that was the point. I don't not that I think that was staged, but I think that it's. He goes into a whole conversation about how, you know, people will continue to try and push those boundaries because they don't really see them. I don't want to say it's human, but like they don't see that they don't see them as people.
Speaker 2:They're paying for a service and they expect that the service includes everything and that they're not a human being attached to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like well, I agree that she was pushing boundaries. It made me wonder and similar with the Jimmy thing do they not have like some kind of safe word or some kind of like way to communicate, because imagine you are, that you are Sammy? And you've gone and you hired this person and you think that it's you're, just like you're playing you're being flirty you're like oh, are you sure?
Speaker 2:And cameras do weird things to people.
Speaker 1:Right. So it's entirely possible that she thought that it was just like oh, it's all in good fun, all in good fun.
Speaker 2:She was very uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 1:Well, I think what we kind of get from all the episodes is, and especially to he's mentioned before how you know, no fluids, no, no dicks, touching dicks. It gives me very like I hate the gay shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is, he's like gay for pay. No, there's no amount of pay for the gay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is giving like mid-auts yeah. Level of homophobia baseline homophobia.
Speaker 1:Homophobia yeah, 100%, and like dude, some guys love getting their ass munched 100%, like it's 2023.
Speaker 2:We munch butts and celebrate Halloween.
Speaker 1:Exactly Like I remember some of some of my conquests before we dated like totally would munch a butt 100%. Like I didn't even say I'm going to munch your butt, I was asked to do it and I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2:Like but yes.
Speaker 1:So I, no, I agree, Like boundaries were being pushed and I think that was part of, like you know, the story producer trying to like put that together.
Speaker 2:I do think also having a film crew does make it a little safer for them. Yeah, where it's like I don't necessarily, I can tell like the executive producer, whoever's on set with me. If there's PA who is working directly with me, I can say here's my heartline. If this happens, I need you to shut the shit down immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, but I think that's. That was sort of my take yeah. Because after like his whole vibe in Divina again, I'm not saying like he's not allowed to have boundaries whatsoever, but he's kind of an asshole to her yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that was deserved. Personally, where it's like you're violating, like I'm telling you no, I'm telling you no and you keep trying, and he's like I'm just I'm gonna go to the bathroom and he gets up and removes himself in the situation, I honestly think that he handled it pretty well All things considered. Yeah, who's your jiggle of the episode?
Speaker 1:Oh God, I'm gonna have to give it to Jimmy. 100% to. Jimmy. Jimmy was a bro.
Speaker 2:I said Jimmy for being a trooper.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Did three days of not being into being a sub at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I did. You have your own sort of racism. Racism, racism, we got it, racism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did not, I thought he was just. I got so stuck on packaging because I was just like this man knows nothing about packaging or manufacturing and that's because that's my professional job.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I was just like so mad at him this episode.
Speaker 1:So I had nothing. I have something for next episode, Okay. Well, welcome to Braceland.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Braceland.
Speaker 1:That takes us to episode four. Episode four we find out that Jimmy has a lady friend.
Speaker 2:Yes, we find out two things. We find out that Nick and Jimmy share a condo.
Speaker 1:Yes, which, like it's not a condo, it's a fucking house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like see that's the thing I feel like, because there's like a one's flight of stairs. It could very well be like upper and lower unit kind of deal yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I still would not consider that a condo.
Speaker 2:No, me neither, it's a it's a townhouse. Yeah. So Jimmy, we find out Jimmy is dating Kelly. They met at a club. Yep, he tells her that he is an escort after a month, which I thought is brave. I would have assumed that that is like first or second date things you tell people because that's a deal breaker for a lot of people Totally and after a month you get emotions after a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like, yeah, maybe a month was too long, but we also don't know how often they were seeing each other. Yep, we don't know what, what their dynamic was. So maybe a month was was like the third or fourth date.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, to be fair, maybe he was. They weren't like boy, friend, girlfriend, maybe they had an arrangement where they weren't exclusive. Yeah, I would hope that that's the case.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my, I quote that I wrote down from Jimmy was you're only as sick as your secrets.
Speaker 2:And I was like I liked that when he told her she was pretty, totally fine with it and he was basically like wait, you like me? What the hell is wrong with you?
Speaker 1:Jimmy is self conscious too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I have fucking his girlfriend on TV on showcases wild I thought the exact same thing.
Speaker 1:I was like so how do you like? Hi, I'm. I'm an escort. By the way, we're filming this show. Would you mind if I fuck you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so. Here's where my mind goes. I think it's totally fine if, like, they're not serious and, like you know, it's just like you know, even the three or four year relationship, but if they like get married, it's like I feel like someone's going to show that at their wedding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. I mean, of course that's that's. Those are the rules. I thought it was very funny to and I can't remember if it was in this sort of scene with his girlfriend, girlfriend Kelly Kelly, or if it was when they were went to the, went to the pepper mill, but Jimmy saying that he's not going to judge people, and then proceeds to judge people.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I was like sir, sir, are you hearing yourself?
Speaker 2:The cognitive this, so we fast forward to the pepper mill post coital. My first note is I wonder Stephen has a flipper? Oh for like teeth. Yeah, because he has that kind of like list, that kind of awkward retainer speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's entirely possible, I just teeth are perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's why I'm kind of like it might be flipper. It could be. It could be new veneers, maybe you got a new tongue piercing, but he definitely has something in his mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, like I said, he speaks like his jaw has been wired shut. Yeah, so I think the nearest is probably the nicest thing. Then hitting on the waitress I thought was super cringy.
Speaker 2:Amazing, she seemed. I couldn't tell whether she was into it or not.
Speaker 1:I mean, she said that she would he was like I'll get two mimosas.
Speaker 2:I like to slam one and then, like, take a like nurse the other one gently. And he was like kind of like I like women. He was like I'll be the first one then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that would indicate that she's into it.
Speaker 2:I would hope so. I still am of the mind of like.
Speaker 1:I don't serve with people on the job Right, but that's why I was like it's kind of cringy. It's a little cringe but if she like she didn't have to engage with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the she's engaged very easily, yeah, yeah you just so I'll get.
Speaker 1:I'll get you these two. Yeah, like we've all been in those situations, we know.
Speaker 2:So we find out that Jimmy's friends from college are coming into town for a bachelorette party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Jimmy seems very worried not worried like he's having some feelings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he wants he. They find out that his college friends don't know that he's an escort.
Speaker 1:They knew he was a dancer.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is how he met Nick.
Speaker 2:Yes, but we get to. We get to find out that everyone kind of keeps this part of their life secret. Yeah, we find out that brace has lost a lot of friendships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like oh, brace had friends. I know that's cute.
Speaker 2:It's like I think Vin was like that too, where he was like yeah, I have friends, I don't talk about this with them and I'm like, wow, like and like, tbh. I imagine it's still very much like that business like today.
Speaker 1:Totally Like. I'm assuming that there's a separation that you have to make. Yeah and working in the industry. And then people normies yeah, don't work in the industry.
Speaker 2:It is very much like a you have to trust this person and be okay with them. Possibly seeing your naked, yeah, like, and that's when you can let them in.
Speaker 1:But I think, kind of going back to what we were chatting about during the first two episodes, it's sort of like people don't realize, like they think that they're sex positive and they're like absolutely not that they're very sex negative and I think you might have embraced that said this, but it kind of is a reflection of like it was either brace or Steven, I can't remember but about their own confidence and their own insecurities which.
Speaker 1:I think is like 100% accurate and true. Like what they do as a job, as an escort, as a dancer, whatever type of sex work. It has literally nothing to do with you and its work. Yeah, Like it's something that you have to like turn off at the end of the day and separate from yeah.
Speaker 2:Nick was saying that in the first episode, yeah, where he was just like. When I started this line of work, I was very insecure and it took a huge toll on me and nowadays I know how to turn it off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think it's, that's a huge, I don't want to say like lesson but, that's a huge thing that we can. We can take away from this.
Speaker 2:But so all this is to say that we find out that Jimmy is going to be telling his college friends.
Speaker 1:And he says that he needs to be honest, to feel more balanced for himself, yeah, and I was like do you, jimmy, I have that.
Speaker 2:I have written down later on. I was like he wants to live authentically and I'm like I can. As somebody who has had to come out, I can appreciate that. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, should we talk about Julian and candy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to talk about Julian and candy.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Julian and candy.
Speaker 2:So last episode I was like, oh yeah, when Jimmy and this couple like bang it out, I thought he was uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about this yeah, you were I, because afterwards I was like I'm pretty sure that like he, loved it. Yeah, he loved that. He loved being a cock. This guy was like if you fucking touch my wife in any way that I deem not okay, I'm going to fucking murder you. Which is not like, I'll let you talk.
Speaker 2:So we find out that she hired him a girl escort, escort. So this was she got to hire a guy, yes, and they hire Nick, and Nick sits them down and says, like have you done this before? It's kind of testing the waters to see how concerned he should be about this.
Speaker 1:And the answer is very very.
Speaker 2:And he like. He's like, okay, my rules are the only fluids or skin that I get. I touch our hers and, unless you're a jiggler, you keep your pants on and I'm like the pants on rule. I don't know, it's a boundary, I understand yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think it's maybe kind of going back to episode two, if I'm not mistaken, when Brace is just like. I can't get hard with all these other dicks.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's that.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's that, but, like maybe it's the, I don't know. I'm making assumptions. I have no idea.
Speaker 2:TBH. I would feel more comfortable with his pants Because I knew he was like jerking off and not trying to kill me.
Speaker 1:Very fair Because literally the bed was like here and the husband was literally at like the end of the Foot of the bed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was like I'm not going to get it before they started he was like no, no, no, it's not you, it's me and her. And then he's like I mean, I need to sit somewhere, don't I? He's like dude, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He hated. That I have written in my notes oh, he's going to cry.
Speaker 1:He brought like such a weird energy. Such a weird energy which I could understand why Nick was just like all right, let's get this done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't realize Nick had a nipple ring. I have law mixed ripple ring.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought it was very funny when they called Nick a metrosexual.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:And I was like is this your definition of Nick? Nick looks like a bro and not the good kind of not the bro, not the bro, you know. No, Nick looks like.
Speaker 2:Jimmy's the bro.
Speaker 1:you know, yeah, jimmy's the bro you know, but like Nick just seems like that fuck boy.
Speaker 2:Nick is a fuck boy yeah.
Speaker 1:Nick 100%. Nick is a fuck boy and I'm like this is not metrosexual energy, but she loved it.
Speaker 2:Oh, she was having a great time. She, afterwards, like he was, like she was basically trying to restore any semblance of ego that he lost during this whole thing and he was like it's okay, you can like it if you wanted to like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like I'm getting this weird and like I put Kati feels uncomfortable telling her husband that he was better, yikes. And then I put I feel like there's going to be some like it's giving.
Speaker 2:it's giving very bad energy, yeah like I was, just like.
Speaker 1:This is the type of man that will probably abuse his wife.
Speaker 2:I if we're just making speculations, we don't know if it comes out that Julian was actually a cop, I would not be surprised. Oh, big cop energy big cop energy.
Speaker 1:I was like he's either like a mafia, like a gangster. Did you notice the music that they were playing? I sure did Like was stereotypically offensive.
Speaker 2:Italian, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like stuff that they would play when there's like a mafia.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think that was the setup that they were trying to walk us into. Yeah, yeah, it was bad, it was very bad. But then Jimmy's friends arrive.
Speaker 2:Not only do. Just before Jimmy's friends arrive, we find out that Jimmy's babysitter is canceled. So, he ropes. Nick who ropes?
Speaker 1:Vin and Steven into babysitting, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I was like I guess it's $550 for two hours, like girl that's an expensive babysitter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also was like who thinks that there was never a babysitter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was probably like oh fuck, kids can't just stay by themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And then I asked Jimmy when he was going on about like how he would one day like to be a father and how he? Would like to continue his family line. I was like, oh, that's a little problematic.
Speaker 2:It's like it started off sweet, as in like oh, he wants to be a dad, and then slowly kind of devolved into eugenics. Yeah, that was literally whatever.
Speaker 1:I would like to continue my family line eugenics question line.
Speaker 2:Oh, Jimmy.
Speaker 1:Jimmy was very much going through what so many of us were in the 2010s, which is not knowing when things are racist, even though you should know better. Yeah, and saying eugenics and like ableist comments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jimmy's talking points are very similar to modern and historical Nazi talking points which are not great.
Speaker 1:No, I don't get a Nazi vibe, I don't either I guess, but you know, yeah, because of the implications.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so Nick arrives.
Speaker 1:Nick arrives prior to that, he says he's going to look up kids on Wiki yes, to understand how to babysit and when they're the guys they were all at, again, they were at some like restaurant bar, whatever. They were all having some drinks together and they're trying to like. Nick is agreeing to this. Brace is just kind of like no, I'm good, I have a client.
Speaker 2:I've got a client tonight. Yeah, so let's talk about the kids, I feel like we have to talk about Amy. If we're talking about the kids, amy's the mom.
Speaker 1:Amy yes, Amy is the mom I wrote who comes to Vegas with their kids.
Speaker 2:Who? One who comes to Vegas with Vegas with their kids. Two, who comes to Vegas with their kids, who need very close attention. Yeah, three, who comes to Vegas with their kids, who need very close attention and doesn't write everything down for the babysitter.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She literally is like oh yeah, by the way, you can't feed them this, you can't feed them this, this is okay, you can't do this when you have to give them an EpiPen.
Speaker 1:If you have to give them an.
Speaker 2:EpiPen and he's like did you write this down? She's like I don't need to write anything down, just use your brain. It's like this is your child.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then she threatens him and is like these children are my life. If you do anything to them, I will like hunt you down and I'm like ma'am. Maybe if you cared about them as much as you think you do, you would write this shit down.
Speaker 2:So they leave and the kids are like, can you make me a tiger? Because they have like balloons. Yeah, steven's concerned about this whole thing.
Speaker 1:The balloons.
Speaker 2:No, they thought they're driving to the place.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's just like.
Speaker 2:I don't know. We're babysitting three children now because we have to watch out for Nick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's fair. Nick is a child, nick is a child. So totally fair. I thought it was really funny that before Vin and Steven got there, Nick was just doing arm curls with the kids.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:And he drops one of them on his head, his head, and then that one. Maybe that's why that one was stuck in the bathroom for so long, because he had to go poop. And then he locked the door.
Speaker 2:He locked himself in the bathroom going poop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and 20 minutes later.
Speaker 2:I'm like girl that's like some like as someone with like a bad tummy. I understand that, but you are.
Speaker 1:Look, you were scared, didn't he get dropped on his head? No, that one didn't get dropped on that.
Speaker 2:It was the Larvager kid, because Nick pushed out and couldn't finish his reps bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I thought it was very funny. We then cut to. There's two different scenes happening here. One is Jimmy with his two friends as they're shopping, and then the other one is Brace at the spa.
Speaker 2:At the spa.
Speaker 1:And I wrote down this is my braciology, bracism of the week. I know when I need some time and I deserve it.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I had the line after that, which was having kids require a lot of time. Some people call it selfish, but I'm just doing what's right for me.
Speaker 1:I'm like fuck.
Speaker 2:Brace.
Speaker 1:Every so often Brace says these things Bracisms, bracisms. I'm like, oh, you get it. But then you're like, oh wait, it's Brace, you don't get it.
Speaker 2:I feel so sexy right now.
Speaker 1:Brace, Brace. There was also so when Jimmy, Amy and his other unnamed college friend.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When they're shopping and they seem so like I'm gonna get penis everything, I'm gonna do this. And they seem so like scandalized by it and they're like, oh my, it gave big white woman Bachelorette party energy which, like there doesn't need to be a penis, like on everything.
Speaker 2:I have. Yeah, amy is very excited about penises.
Speaker 1:Out of the two of them. So are you gonna talk about how Jimmy tells me, yeah, yeah, I'll let you.
Speaker 2:So Jimmy is recounting how bad Bachelorette parties are. When he was a dancer and it's just like, yeah, like like I've been bitten, I've been like scratched, I've had a can of whipped cream thrown at my face Like it's not good.
Speaker 1:It's not the vibe. It's not the vibe yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he tells them he's just like oh, by the way, you know how I said I was working in tech. I'm not, I'm an escort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what's interesting about that is that Amy seemed more chill about it.
Speaker 2:I agree, I think. I think, amy, I think there's two paths you can go down when you're like a parent. One is like helicopter, overprotective, go absolutely crazy about your kids.
Speaker 2:And the other one is I don't have enough energy to put into things anymore, so I need to be very selective at what I'm going to be giving my attention to, and that's what Amy strikes me as, where she's just like I love my kids and I will kill you if you do anything to them, but also like how the fuck do I care to you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they cut to a scene with the two college friends and they're like, if Jimmy's happy, we're happy, and I was like cool, that's nice. I still think Amy is like more down for it than the other one.
Speaker 2:The other one was like I don't love this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't love this. But if he's happy, if he's safe, they returned the condo and they're like yes, we like, they are all like how do you know them? And Jimmy's like oh, I mean I, I danced with Nick for years and Amy goes you've danced, elaborate. And I'm like what the fuck do you think he means Amy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, also, y'all were just talking about how he was a dancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 1:She's like tell me more, Tell me about your dancing career Seven years of ballroom, 12 of tap. Yeah, she's three of jazz. I think Amy's just horny, I think Amy, amy, I think.
Speaker 2:Amy, absolutely Got a good look at the three of them. That's probably why they did all three yeah.
Speaker 1:And she's like, I will pay.
Speaker 2:Nick's down the hall.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Yeah, I will pay the extra for the gag bag.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just how that's in the babysitting charge.
Speaker 2:I love that Jimmy was like I'm actually really proud of Nick and how he really stepped up. Yeah, and that's why Nick is my jiggle of the episode.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. That's very nice, who's yours. You know what? I think we'll give it to Nick, I think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think Nick deserves this win.
Speaker 2:Nick gets a win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. He said immediately kids are fucking exhausting. Yeah, he gets it, he gets it. I was like that is a mood and a vibe Mood and vibe. So the only other thing that I was going to bring up about his friends was that they kept calling their agent a pimp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they kept doing that.
Speaker 1:And I was like, can we not do that, Not do that? So I think one of the things was that I could see them like trying to understand. But it's also one of those things where you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2:We still don't have the terminology to be able to speak about it like in a respectful and like competent way. Where, like I think what it reminded me of was how people used to talk about trans people, yeah, where it's like I don't fucking know she mail, it's like don't say that, that's not the word, please yeah, trainee.
Speaker 1:Definitely not that. Yeah, so I think it's complicated because people are trying their best and they don't. They only know what they've been shown through media.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and our media is, especially in North America, the least sex positive thing in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know for them. They're probably like this is the only language I have is that you know, and they're looking for Jimmy to educate them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're expecting him to correct them if they fuck up, yeah, which that comes with the gift of friendship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you don't always get that gift. No, other people should not educate you. You should just, you know, read a book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Read a book Go online.
Speaker 1:Go online, as far as I know, the internet existed in 2011.
Speaker 2:It did. It wasn't the DARPA net anymore. The DARPA net yeah. It was the first iteration of the internet. Yeah, it's okay, don't worry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, darpa net. Anyways, that was episode three and four Halfway through. I know Again, these were not giving like the other ones were.
Speaker 2:No, I feel like we had better talks in this episode than we did in the previous one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think one of the things that I also wrote down is it seems like they're really trying to humanize them 100% To be like they're not just guys who fuck.
Speaker 2:The first two episodes were the fuck for sure, and then the second two episodes are like okay, now we need to actually establish why you care about these people, because it can't just be eight episodes of, like these guys fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I think on that. To that end it's like okay, great, yeah, like I like hearing about the day in it, but it just didn't have the same yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Even like. Yeah, I feel like the, I feel like the more uncomfortable situations that they're in the less fun it is. Like I did not enjoy episode three, with Jimmy's face and cheeks getting beaten.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, I didn't love the was the couple in episode three as well.
Speaker 2:The couple is in episode four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was so awkward and uncomfortable yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like I didn't need to see it at this table. Thank you, yeah, Thank you. We're going to be fine. Well, the people can find us everywhere on the internet. So if you're on Instagram, if you're on TikTok, if you're on threads, it's at HiLowbrowPod, and if you want to visit our website, it's wwwhilowbrowpodcom, which you know. Leave us a message, leave us a reading, do whatever you want. We will be here.
Speaker 2:If these are your first episodes. This is not really what we normally do. This is just sort of this is our off season and we were just like let's rewatch Shagalos and talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we may as well talk like record a podcast Might as well.
Speaker 2:So this is like our little Christmas present to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we hope you enjoy. And when you tune in next week you'll hear all about episodes five and six 75% 75% of the way done.
Speaker 2:We are going to go back upstairs and watch some more.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, bye, bye, bye.