If you've accidentally stumbled upon us and this episode, welcome. But if you're re-joining us, we're on the final episode of rewatch of S1 of the Showtime original series, Gigolos. We're talking about our favourite moments, reminding ourselves to cancel the Paramount Plus subscription once this episode goes live, and asking ourselves one last time: WHAT WOULD BRACE DO?
In episodes 7 & 8, we delve into the peculiar nooks of human sexuality explored on screen—from professionals guiding the clueless in the art of dirty talk to the unexpected kinks that are Disney-related. Plus, we get a sneak peek into Nick's aspiring rap career, and it's giving Temu Eminem.
We're planning to take a break after this episode to get recalibrated for S4, where we've got tons in store. So strap in, hit play, and prepare to question your streaming re-watch choices— just like us.
If you've accidentally stumbled upon us and this episode, welcome. But if you're re-joining us, we're on the final episode of rewatch of S1 of the Showtime original series, Gigolos. We're talking about our favourite moments, reminding ourselves to cancel the Paramount Plus subscription once this episode goes live, and asking ourselves one last time: WHAT WOULD BRACE DO?
In episodes 7 & 8, we delve into the peculiar nooks of human sexuality explored on screen—from professionals guiding the clueless in the art of dirty talk to the unexpected kinks that are Disney-related. Plus, we get a sneak peek into Nick's aspiring rap career, and it's giving Temu Eminem.
We're planning to take a break after this episode to get recalibrated for S4, where we've got tons in store. So strap in, hit play, and prepare to question your streaming re-watch choices— just like us.
Welcome to Hi Lowbrow. The show with high brow takes on low brow culture. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber.
Speaker 2:And I'm your co-host, rivergilded. We're back, we're back.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:We have a new set up.
Speaker 2:We have a new set up. It is moderately very exciting for us. It is moderately very exciting for us.
Speaker 1:You sound so excited.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like Garth and Wayne's World. I'm just like fear chain.
Speaker 1:To be fair, you did do a lot of work in getting the set up.
Speaker 2:Don't put this all on me, because it sounds like ass. I'm just like no, I no.
Speaker 1:if it sounds like ass, we are blaming it on Amazon.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we are blaming it on Squabrock, squabrock.
Speaker 2:Alternatively, if we do a good job, then shout out to oh, we have a girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a girl, oh look.
Speaker 2:Camio from the first, camio from the girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first Camio from the girl On our auditory medium. Yeah, which is kind of nice. This is it. This is Coming to the end of our bonus recap of Jigalos. Are you sad? How are you feeling about it?
Speaker 2:I mean there's another like what? Five seasons of Jigalos. So, if we want to continue, then we can.
Speaker 1:There is, we can.
Speaker 2:Maybe this just becomes like an annual tradition, the post that we don't take breaks, yeah.
Speaker 1:What I found very funny and for those I can't remember if we did mention this, but we thought a free trial to Paramount Plus so that we could watch Jigalos. Yes, and it was a free seven day trial. We did this all for you, baby.
Speaker 2:All free dollars.
Speaker 1:But if you want to tell the listeners about what you forgot to do.
Speaker 2:I forgot to cancel it and I was like oh like, let's see what else is on here. There's the curse. Yeah, the curse is very good.
Speaker 1:It is. We have to keep watching it. I just haven't been in a mood to continue.
Speaker 2:It's fair, nathan Fielder is in a mood that you have to be in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like all of his stuff is very.
Speaker 2:Secondhand embarrassment he can Autism hard mode, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like you have to be ready to stay ready.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, there's also Beavis and Butthead. Do the universe.
Speaker 1:Well, there's Beavis and Butthead the new season.
Speaker 2:Yep, but not the old ones, no.
Speaker 1:And then there's also Good Burger too.
Speaker 2:Yep and Yellowstone, which apparently was the whole reason that people got Paramount Plus in the first place. But I'm like I'm not straight, okay.
Speaker 1:I think basically where I was trying to lead this to is that I was like, oh okay, well, you didn't cancel it, let's really go.
Speaker 2:Let's get our money's worth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get our money's worth in this one month and like let's see what we're missing.
Speaker 2:We got our money's worth after watching season one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like oh, so not much.
Speaker 2:So not much.
Speaker 1:So Paramount Plus, if you're listening it's okay, it's better programming. We don't need your sponsorship.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I mean whatever, Like I mean they don't need our money, they don't need our money and ultimately, we're doing them more of a service by being consultants, by being saying like, oh yeah, no, like this is how you can make your service better, so get at us if you want that, or just keep it at your programming kind of balls.
Speaker 1:Yeah, balls, Like we can get it elsewhere. Anyways, I was just like who would be paying for this?
Speaker 2:Straight people, people who like Yellowstone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's bad. However, I should say this I do follow the social media manager for Paramount Plus on LinkedIn. Do not at me. I realize that is like the most typical social media manager thing to say. I follow the social media manager on LinkedIn, but he is very funny and he aspires.
Speaker 2:I mean, ultimately, you do your best with what you're given and the service is no reflection on the social teams. So I'm like, yeah, of course, like you've done, social for people and brands, that I'm like who?
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 2:Not mentioning those names, we're not, we're not.
Speaker 1:Anyways, let's show me Episode 7. Should we talk?
Speaker 2:about jiggalos. Let's talk about jiggalos. Okay. So episode 7, we start with Breanna and Grace. Breanna is a married woman allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 1:Yeah because, as we have noted in all of our other episodes, the only people who sleep with Grace are plants. Yeah, but what I found interesting is that her husband she said that her husband is also older, so like it seems like, please let me know if you also agree. Everybody that seems to book in with Grace are women who like older men.
Speaker 2:With daddy issues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 2:I would not say this yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's just women who have weird daddy issues.
Speaker 2:So Breanna cannot please her husband, so she wants a higher professional to teach her, which is I don't know if I'd go to Grace. I mean, he is an experienced man.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I assume that he's a man's man. Experienced yeah, I mean he's older, he is a professional Sure, so he probably knows what he's doing, and so his tips for her are to talk dirty.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean sure, but like I'm not sure that you would need to go to a professional in order to learn, that I mean you want to go to a professional who's going to help figure out why you can't talk dirty, because he just says talk dirty. And we have such examples of take those shoes off. Damn, it Knock the hell out of my nipples and you're a dirty pervert.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's funny because these interactions between Breanna and Brace it seems like she's so uncomfortable the entire time that she just wants to laugh, which I can't tell if it's because Brace is so bad at this or because she's not feeling it.
Speaker 2:Well, honestly, I have a feeling that she was. Well, she's presumably a plant. She seems like a plant. She ended the session with Brace. You're such a good teacher.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and wasn't there a line in there that said we're taking a first class ticket to Braceland?
Speaker 2:I mean, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I'm going to tell you I do not want a first class ticket to Braceland ever.
Speaker 2:If you're going to fly Brace land, you better fly first class.
Speaker 1:I guess so yeah.
Speaker 2:But I feel like she was definitely a plant and I feel like because naive and inexperienced, fairly typical fantasies. And then the director was probably like no more naive, less what you're doing.
Speaker 1:More naive, more I'm baby, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So that's those are my feelings about Brianna.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I just was hung up on the first class ticket to Brace land.
Speaker 2:I am so sad that I didn't write that down, but I'm glad that you did yeah.
Speaker 1:But I did have Brianna is an industry. Yeah, 100%, because that just seems to be the thread through all these episodes All of Brace episodes Professionals. And next we see that Nick is a hardcore rapper.
Speaker 2:Yeah we're at the bar and Nick is telling the guys that one of his clients is going to get him into the studio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it seems like Nick thinks he's going to give Eminem a run for his money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, I have written in my notes. I'm like Eminem, I've got one shot.
Speaker 1:One chance.
Speaker 2:One opportunity. Yeah, I have also my notes. I'm very supportive, but he never calls it good.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that seems to be been in a nutshell.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that I'm like. On the one hand, I feel like one of his friends should be like buddy. This isn't it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah. Nick needs an outlet to channel all his white person rage into and spoken word.
Speaker 2:it seems to be where it's at, because it as we find out later in the episode, it is truly spoken word, not rap. So we flash forward to Steven at the hotel with a new client. What is this client's fetish that she wants to try with Steven?
Speaker 1:What is it? I don't remember?
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't remember it, is it? She wants to pretend that she's dead. I'm like how do you not remember this?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I just I probably haven't written down, but yes, go on.
Speaker 2:So Stephen is like just saying I'm trying to be open minded about things that I don't get.
Speaker 1:Also like I have a question how, how, what?
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:What? Like I hit like everybody. Like if you think it, it's a king and it exists, but like dead why?
Speaker 2:Okay, so she actually goes into this in the episode.
Speaker 1:She's like I Maybe I just like saw it and blocked it.
Speaker 2:I just did it out 100% because it is a kind of a red flag thing. But she's like her, it started when she was a kid and she saw us looking beauty Right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So it's like I'm like yeah. Yeah. So I mean honestly, we can all think back to Disney movies that changed the trajectory of our sexual activities. Right, robin Hood. Yeah, and I think you know we're going to glaze right over that guy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. What I was going to say is that, like you know, there have been partners that I have dated who have said you know Disney films or other, like you know animated cartoons from when they were younger or what turned them into furries.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I mentioned Robin Hood. Yeah, I mean like I mean I'm not the main king, or the two like yes, yeah, so like I get it.
Speaker 1:I'm not that person.
Speaker 2:That's so fine.
Speaker 1:But like I remember still to this day the person that I'm thinking about sat me down.
Speaker 2:One of your many trans-exes.
Speaker 1:Yes, and was just like hey, I have to tell you something you know explained everything to me about them being a furry, how it started when they were younger. They really were into like a certain type of anime animation, so, and they're like, you know, people get really confused. They think it's that I want to fuck my cat or something. And I was like, yeah, I mean, I don't think that's what that is and like, if that's what you're into, that's what you're into and that's fine. I don't like, and they're like you don't have to be a part of it and I was like I didn't think I needed to Do you.
Speaker 2:Well, I, okay. So you know, brief, brief, aside from Jigalos into furry discourse, because it's like I feel like the entire internet decided that like, oh, these are the people that it's totally fine to pick on.
Speaker 1:Horace.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like the most innocuous, totally vanilla thing that, and a lot of the time it's not even sexual.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Where it's just like yeah, this is just the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I follow so many furry artists, I don't describe myself as a furry.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But I don't appreciate Totally and, like I think, furries and bears kind of overlap as well, there's definitely.
Speaker 2:I mean the way that I usually describe the furry thing is similar to like why trans folks are so into King, where it's like oh, we already have to talk about what we are and are not into, so that conversation becomes very, very easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, totally. It's like oh yeah, you can't touch that, but this is what I do like. Yeah. Anyways, back to Back to her enjoying being dead and why she hires an escort in order to explore her King safely. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I had, like I was up two minds with this. I have in my notes that life is a thing, yes, but then later on I have this is a safe way to try to try fantasies and I can get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because even though that life exists, I've heard of so many people being sexually assaulted.
Speaker 2:Fucking horror stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, through that life.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And if you want to explore a King like this and you have the money to pony up, yeah, to do this in a safe way, and someone like this is willing to explore it with you, why not?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean one might think that you go to a professional who specializes in that. But I mean, hey, like if you've shopped around in 550 for two hours is your deal, and then look great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again the guys have to accept the gig.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they know what they're walking into. Yeah, like it's not like he shows up and she's like no, I'm dead.
Speaker 2:No like yeah, you get the creative brief to go along with the.
Speaker 1:Right, Like if it was kind of like we were talking about consent are two episodes ago, Like if it was something where they had agreed on something and then flip they flip the script. That's different.
Speaker 2:I mean it reminds that. That reminds me of that scene in Transparent with the one daughter who was going to see a like a drama, and then she was like I try this and like she can work her safe word and was like, yeah, I'm gonna go back to the booker up. Yeah, yeah, yeah Like these are the horror stories from that life.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and those things exist for a reason because if you don't boundaries, safe word, they exist to keep the people who are doing this work.
Speaker 2:Yes, they're not even work, but just even relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think there's I'm just gonna say, like skill, but there's communication that needs to be done.
Speaker 2:Well yeah, there is skill, but they're like. The communication is first and foremost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We are becoming a team. Okay, back at the condo.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Nick is like. I've canceled all of my clients the next two weeks so I can really focus on writing.
Speaker 1:Yes, he believes that rapping is the most important way to express himself. Like I just said, it's the way for him to channel his inner white boy rage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. So I want to know why he's writing something new. If he's, it's like okay, famously people hate their sophomore album. Like you work for you know, 10, 15 years on your first album, because you're like growing up in the scene and you're playing shows and then you get a deal and then you write your second album and you're like, fuck, I got to spit something out and I can't refine it as much as I want to. So it's like, dude, why don't you just record something that you've been working on? And when we get his lyrics, I'm like, oh, it's because he's never written it. He's a freestyle rapper. Quote unquote.
Speaker 1:Freestyle rapper is being generous.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:He is a, he would not last a minute on eight mile.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he would just be eaten alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also I have a note here. Did he say his rap name was Nick Cough? But it definitely Nick Cough.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:I was just hearing what I wanted to hear.
Speaker 2:I have. His rap inspirations are cartoon rappers and old white people trying to speak to the youths, because that's what his flow is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I got that jiggaloo style. My name is Nick Hock and I'm here to say I am a jiggaloo in a major way, I got that jiggaloo style.
Speaker 1:I got that jiggaloo flow. No, he doesn't. He doesn't have any. No flow, no flow.
Speaker 2:That flow is backed up. Oh my God, vin and Marie. Yes, the new client that he has. Yes who is has the biggest titties ever yes. And is the singer. She's a country western singer.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Huge titties. I was like, oh, she's dolly part, like she's also probably an industry plant.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or she's just literally trying to be dolly part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one or the other.
Speaker 2:But she was like I miss having. I don't have the opportunity to have like real experiences with somebody who loves me. Yeah, I don't have the opportunity to have like me neither, and I think that's really sweet. They had a moment they had a moment Are we?
Speaker 1:I think we're just team 100%.
Speaker 2:At the end of the episode I have like our worst to best jiggaloo than spoiler alert. I think you can guess who number one is.
Speaker 1:Is it been?
Speaker 2:number numbers two through four will shock you. Yeah, Vin talks about how he has a hard time having relationships.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it seems like the common theme throughout this entire season has been how all the guys have difficult relationships.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:However, it seems like Vin is the most emotionally stable. Maybe stable is not the right word to use he's realistic about things. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about episode eight, because he has a big moment.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I think, yeah, he is the most realistic about things, whereas the rest of the guys, sort of, are more brugated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jimmy. Jimmy is a hopeless romantic who's like oh man, yeah, I don't even talk to my partner about this stuff. She's just going to get over it. It's like, oh, no, bud.
Speaker 1:We're like they can change.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will change them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like oh no no that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Not usually.
Speaker 1:No. So I think it's interesting because this sort of like. It's nice that the show has demonstrated this emotional side to all of the guys, but in varying degrees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is a. I feel like you could write like a dissertation on like the toxic masculinity presenting versus like the confessionals and things that they don't admit to the other guys.
Speaker 1:Yes, I would actually be very interested to read something like that you should write it If only one of us were a writer. Writing. I don't know her. I don't know her.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we go to Steven and Vin getting wine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's during this that they actually start making fun of. Nick, yeah, yeah, vin is like they just needed to be a few glasses of wine deep.
Speaker 2:Vin's like Steven. What do you think of Nick's rapping career? And I have in my notes Steven is a heater.
Speaker 1:Steven's a bitchy gay. Yeah, yes, Like yeah he's a mean gay. Yeah, like I'm sorry Steven is not giving 100% heterosexual knives.
Speaker 2:There is We've talked about this he's giving gold star gay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And never wants the touch of vagina. He's straight for pay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely see that, or he's like or he's an incel, I don't know man. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Vin is a little more PC about it and says I need to hear something completed, which just confirms the theory that, no, he's never actually written anything. Yeah he just says he's got that gigolo style, he's got that gigolo flow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, nick really just wants to be a man.
Speaker 2:Yes, he wants.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he wants to be MNF. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he doesn't want to work for it, he just wants to be MNF. Yeah, he's just like. I'm naturally like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, what was that group?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't remember. Yeah, I know who you were talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he could probably do that.
Speaker 2:Crazy town.
Speaker 1:Yes, Like he's on that level.
Speaker 2:Crazy town has better flow than. Nick. And I so we were in the car with Jimmy and Nick.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And Nick is like let me show you what I got, and in my notes it's the middest.
Speaker 1:It's so mid and Jimmy's just trying to be so supportive he's like I'm giving him.
Speaker 2:I have in my notes. He's giving him music tips.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Nick wants nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2:Nick says sometimes I think he gives me advice just to piss me off. And I have. Well, nick, go on, girl, give us nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like Nick. Why are you being like listen to my flows and then you want no, like nothing?
Speaker 2:It's the. You want an entourage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wants a yes and yes and not a no. Oh sweetie, don't release that to the public. That's embarrassing.
Speaker 2:It's worth the studio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are at the studio. Garen is there because Garen sees dollars Like Nick is just money to.
Speaker 2:Garen, Garen, I have in my notes. I guess he gets his 10% either way, Because like he's not his, he's his agent.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like, oh, any like endeavors, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm very interested to know what that contract looks like Me too. Because you are right, I bet you. It's just like anything that he does he gets 10%.
Speaker 2:Presumably merchandising or things that are in the show. So you know that, nick Hawk. Blua Doll and Dildo and Jigolo. Yeah, I have also my notes, or white guys, in the studio Say less. Garen says they think that they have a hit with Jigolo, and I have also. He's never done everything together, because he actually stops and he's like wait, I'd rather actually do this in parts, if that's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he's like running out of breath, which it's like if you are thinking about having a rap career. Sir, you got to be able to do this all in one go.
Speaker 2:Go get a vocal coach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I think what's interesting is when you're trying to rap, you need to actually know how to do, I think, breath work so that you can get through. Like you know, you have to take allocation lessons as well. Yeah, you know how. You need to know how to make specific, like cut up your words and do like pauses and breath set specific moments, which clearly he has never.
Speaker 2:No, of course not. He's Nick Nick, nick Hawk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 1:Well, I think the fact that we've never heard the song all period at the end should say everything we need to.
Speaker 2:I mean, we even heard Touch in Public from Tom Sandoval's band.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then yeah no yeah, like Tom Sandoval's song at least charted. Was it a chart?
Speaker 2:or was it released?
Speaker 1:It was released. It charted.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Like not huge, no, but like Wasn't number one. Yeah, like I think it charted at the very least because it was Tom Sandoval, Because it was Tom Sandoval. Yeah, like from Bitter Pup Rolls this like.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck is Nick Tom?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The record exec was being so diplomatic and I was like he's just gonna let him down easy. But no, they're taking him out to LA.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like, so clearly Barron is calling it a favor, or?
Speaker 1:they're just saying that because they're recording, yeah, and then, once they're done recording, they're gonna be like oh, sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, it's not a good time. Yeah, who's your jiggle of the episode? Of course it's him.
Speaker 1:Always been, he's so supportive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like I find this moderately offensive, but like I value our relationship more than I do.
Speaker 1:And just like he's the bro, you know he is the bro, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you have a bracism?
Speaker 1:A first class ticket to Bracelet, that is great, mine was also during that scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna bang you like the porn star you are. You are Wait, sorry, yeah, let's try that again. I'm gonna bang you like a porn star, you little bitch that doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean it's funny because it's Brace.
Speaker 2:Episode 8.
Speaker 1:Episode 8. The final episode.
Speaker 2:The final episode.
Speaker 1:We've made it.
Speaker 2:So we start off the episode with Vin and new clients Jimmy and Barbie Not our Jimmy, no, but who are into hotwiting and recording it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like just Vin charged extra for this because I thought it was interesting that they record him having sex, obviously with the wife. But then they keep that and I'm like I get it, like it's obviously a film of her, but I'm like they've hired him but like feel like that's still his. I don't want intellectual property.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see, I was gonna say like am I gonna have to explain to you on air the magic of hotwiting?
Speaker 1:No, I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2:So that is interesting. I assume that it's gonna have to be something like personal use only, like they don't own distribution rights. True. But, like, and I know like after watching that porn hub documentary where it's like no, you need explicit consent from like collaborate partners, and like you need to make sure that you have all of your paper work in place. So like they couldn't post it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean. Is that like, imagine if they decided to turn around and we're like, oh, we're going to post this on fucking porn?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they could have back in the day, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's like it's wild. And imagine they were like oh, we paid you, so like whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was sort of my.
Speaker 2:I do wonder if they may have. I would imagine there's some kind of boilerplate just contract to be like. Look, you can record it. Here are the terms and conditions, personally use only. If you do anything. You do not have the right to use my likeness. You have to you censor my face. I guess I would be the only way to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But, yeah, no, I know about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, hey man.
Speaker 1:I'm not. I'm not new, hey man.
Speaker 2:Listen, People don't know the difference between hot wifing and cooking. Well they're different.
Speaker 1:Maybe you should explain it.
Speaker 2:Not on this episode we find out that Vin has an issue with marriage and wife.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, before we get to that, though, I said that the husband in this relationship, jimmy, yeah, hey, this man did not. He was giving big gay energy, and that's not to say that he couldn't be bisexual by any means, but I definitely was not getting heterosexual husband.
Speaker 2:I feel like, okay, controversially. I feel like if you're into cooking and hot wifing like you're not on the street, that's, it's like. No, that's not yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like this seems more like gay best friend energy than like heterosexual husband, as we know from like that heterosexual couple where the husband seems like a mafia. So yes. And was like I'm going to murder you. This was not that same energy.
Speaker 2:No, that he was clearly not into cooking or hot wifing. He's into having sex with another woman.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And now he has to live with a relationship.
Speaker 1:Right. So like this is what I was saying. Yeah, I was saying the same thing, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:But while during that scene Vin does say that he has an issue with marriage and weddings and I was like okay, yeah. I feel like a lot of sex workers have that kind of like outdated marriages and that kind of vibe. But no, apparently he just doesn't get it. He's not opposed to the system and I'm like okay, weird.
Speaker 1:You were not into marriage and all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean not what you want to start.
Speaker 2:No With me, though it was more of a like if left my own devices. This is not something that I would pursue for myself, but I'm not opposed to it if you are.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is a.
Speaker 1:And I think when we were like for me it wasn't like a ooh institution, it was more of like you were my person.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I want to like.
Speaker 2:I mean it was like I and like when we like on the day itself I was like, yeah, this is fine, it'll be nice. And I got a lot more emotional than I thought, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it was more about us solidifying for each other and it just being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Like I just wanted a party.
Speaker 2:It's a ritual baby yeah.
Speaker 1:It was just like I just want to have a party, you want to have a party. It wasn't about the institution, it was about the party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was about the party, the drag brunch. So we cut to Nick and Jimmy.
Speaker 1:Yeah and like okay before this will play into like this Nick and Jimmy scene but I felt like so much of this episode felt heavily produced.
Speaker 2:Well, I feel like they had to kind of heavily produce this episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm assuming they didn't know what they were going to get a renewal.
Speaker 1:Totally and like I get that, but so much of it felt so heavy handed. So, Nick and Jimmy are in the car and Nick is like I fucking hate Jimmy. He says a little like garbage human, he does all these little things that piss me off. Blah, blah, blah, and it's like we didn't even have like a ramp up.
Speaker 2:No, I was. I have in my notes. It's really uncomfortable. Why was this a thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like okay, yeah, work. So, and this is what I mean, is that like? I get that we're at the final episode? I get that we need to like tie up loose ends and we have to like.
Speaker 2:Give us drama for season pickup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or if there is no, like season two create. But I was like some of this just seems unnecessary. It was a very dense episode.
Speaker 2:I'm going through my notes and I'm like, holy shit, that was all this episode. Yes, so we're at the bar and the guys are giving Jimmy a hard time for being late. Yeah, and Nick is more mad than he should be about it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:We find out that Vin has a girlfriend who's flying in from LA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the guys are also giving Vin a hard time about that as well, because they're all like, oh my God, every time someone has a partner, they just forget about the guys. Yep, and like didn't Jimmy have a girlfriend earlier this season?
Speaker 2:Yep, jimmy had a girlfriend earlier this season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry, this is like a double standard.
Speaker 2:Well, speaking of double standards, jimmy asks, like Vin's, like yeah, like we've got an arrangement and like she's a very sexual person. I'm like oh, I guess they're in an open relationship. And Jimmy says would she think about getting into sex work? And Nick has opinions on this.
Speaker 1:Yes, I seem to remember this. Nick seems to think that women, women, they're talking about the safety of women in sex work.
Speaker 2:Sure, that's a conversation to be had Totally. And it's a weird. His issue wasn't women in sex work, His issue was him trying to recruit his girlfriend into sex work and it's like buddy, what.
Speaker 1:I sorry, Vin recruiting his or Nick.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Nick takes is upset with Jimmy. Okay, Because Jimmy suggested that Vin get his girlfriend into sex work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I had written down that Nick seemed to have these opinions that women shouldn't like. It's more difficult, like you know, men have an easier time in sex work because you know they can defend themselves and so on and so forth, whereas with women it's harder. You know, if something is to happen they can't really. Well, I don't want to be like they're defenseless, but like I think you get what I do, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I do think that there's a conversation to be had there, but I think it's a lot more nuanced than Nick was making it up to be.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say I'm like we're not team Nick here. It's like it was, like the things he was saying was just like not even borderline misogyny, it was just flat out misogyny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Vin was trying to shut it down. Yes, he was.
Speaker 2:And he was like you know, women like can get raped, and it's like, yeah, dude, so can men. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think Vin was trying to be like. They don't need to be in sex work for this to happen. It could literally be anywhere at any time Period. The end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was wow, nick, nick, nick. Please stop. I mean stop rapping, just stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was about to be like this is the man who wants to be a white rapper.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, yeah. The next scene is somewhere that I never expected to be on a season of male escorts and digery duke class with Jimmy and Stephen.
Speaker 1:I hope to live in what was this episode.
Speaker 2:So okay, several things. One I feel like Jimmy is actually did do music when he was younger.
Speaker 1:Is my assumption? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. Unlike Nick, who wants to be a musician, who is like I am a rapper, jimmy actually is a musician.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like in earlier episodes, we see him playing guitar and we constantly hear him singing to himself or humming, and now he's taking didgeridoo classes. So didgeridoo classes were a setup for a later fight and I do think that that was very heavily produced 100%.
Speaker 1:They were like we're just going to throw in this didgeridoo class and then, you know, fight about it later.
Speaker 2:I have my notes. Why is Steven here and says, I quote it felt like I had the world's biggest cock in my mouth and I'm like Steven, come on man, why are you here?
Speaker 1:That sounds like you might know about having the world's largest cock in your mouth, Steven.
Speaker 2:That is the argument against Steven being gay. The next scene, equally unlikely to didgeridoo class, is Brace and Nick playing for the Golf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and talking about how Nick was in the Air Force right and how he was married previously.
Speaker 2:So they could be stationed together.
Speaker 1:Yes, and how that was a mistake. Yeah, I mean it was the most honest and real I think Nick has ever been.
Speaker 2:The two things that he says. Even though I hated every minute of it, I do it again. Yeah it's scattered talk but also Brace calls, Nick type A and I'm like in what world?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I like again. I think when we reflect back on all the episodes of the season that, like scene right there was the most honest and emotionally available that we've seen Nick and Brace be.
Speaker 2:I think so too. Brace was being so supportive. Yeah, I was like wow, Brace, like you really do see yourself as a mentor to these kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like as much as we sort of like rag on Brace. Yeah, we shit on everybody in this show we do, except for them. We really do, yeah, because we're team.
Speaker 2:We're team of in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you are right, like Brace does really see himself as a father figure to these guys. They're all 20 year old shit heads. Yes, he is like a 60 year old man.
Speaker 2:He's not 60.
Speaker 1:There's no way.
Speaker 2:There is no way. Brace Land is 60.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, he's definitely in his.
Speaker 2:Let's find out.
Speaker 1:I guess we'll have to find out.
Speaker 2:We're fact checking live. Shut up. No Stop, I'll just cut it. Stop, brace Land. Oh my God, he doesn't have a birthday listed. He's like no, you can't know. His ages are not listed anywhere, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, he doesn't want to sit. Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, he's a Tommy Wiseau type.
Speaker 1:He's ageless, he's ageless.
Speaker 2:I love this. I am so into the fact that Brace is eternal. Brace is a vibe, brace exists at all. Maybe the real treasure was the Brace we had along the way, I'm going to hold that with me forever. So we're at the cafe with Vin and Lelami who he is dating and she seems to chill.
Speaker 2:She seems to chill, but then Vin just casually brings up do you want to have kids? And she's like her quote was having kids is one of those things you have to do at least once. And I'm like wait what? I'm not sure if that's the vibe, but Vin also does not want kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm like why did you bring this up on TV if you knew this was going to be a heated discussion?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also, men are so weird Men. I don't believe in marriage, I don't want kids, I don't want any of it. It's like, okay, what do you want?
Speaker 2:What do?
Speaker 1:you want? Do you want, like you just want to fuck forever, which is like, trust me, I don't remember how well Vin is, but once you get older that starts to change. Eventually you and I'm not being like I can change him, but like your perspective starts to change.
Speaker 2:I don't know Everybody who I've talked to who had like a whole phase, like everyone's like yeah, like sex is just better when you are in a long term relationship.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to use me. For example when we first started dating, I was like I want babies, Just give me a baby. And then I was like I don't know, I don't think that's a thing that I would really enjoy. And so it was the opposite for me, where I was like I would like a baby, please, and now I'm like I don't want that thing.
Speaker 2:Never have a baby. Don't worry about it. So I think I can't do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know so I think that's. The thing is that, like, your perspective changes as you change, so being so steadfast one way or the other is so weird.
Speaker 2:Like you're Detrimental to your own growth, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like you're allowed to have opinions and thoughts and feelings and that's fine. But, like you, when you're so young and you're growing and changing. And you're growing and changing. It's like when your brain hasn't finished developing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe just be open to the possibility.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, just be like hey, it's not something I'm interested in doing right now, yeah, it gets me the serious ick and I don't like thinking too far in the future because I'm not in that place to head Like.
Speaker 2:I think that's like the conversation we had, yeah yeah, where you were like I need a baby and don't waste my fucking time, yeah, and I don't think it was specifically about babies, I think. But I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like. I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, it's like, I think it's like I think it's like I'm not in that place to head, Like I think that's like the conversation we had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you were like I need a baby and I don't think it was. Don't waste my fucking time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I said, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I said, don't waste my fucking time.
Speaker 2:Which is so real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I think I was gonna be 30. Yeah, I'm like you're seven years old, yeah so I was like I just want to make sure that I'm making the right decisions for myself, yeah, so yeah, I think the conversation with Ben and Lelani, it was sort of similar, where I'm like cool, if you're just trying to like, suss out the scene, but also don't immediately shut that shit down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. Unless it is a I need to have kids right this second, I need to get married right this second, then it's a okay. Well, had you said that to me, we would have had a different conversation.
Speaker 1:Totally, we might not be here with that.
Speaker 2:Exactly different podcast posts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know open, keep yourself open. Yeah, we're back at the condo again. We are back.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Nick is pissed at Jimmy for leaving shit out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which I was like okay.
Speaker 2:Well, like so. There's like a few dishes on the counter. Yeah, he's got like a knife soaking in a wine glass and he's got a bag of garbage by the front door and Nick comes in and flips out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like wow.
Speaker 2:My note is yeah, it's not great, but, like dude, have you had roommates?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like Nick and I would not be good roommates.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it's like my guy. You got to have expectations and you have. It's like a fucking relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you just have to realize that people have lives and sometimes the vibe is not happening that week or you like have ADHD and you put the bag by the door so that you wouldn't forget. Exactly, I can't speak for Jimmy. I don't know if that's his normal vibe, but like I think Nick's reaction was so weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we have Vin and Leilani going back to the pad. Yeah, Vin is trying to open up but he's cynical about relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think he's just got to give in and just let it. Let it be. I think it's cute that he's trying.
Speaker 2:I do too. They fuck on camera.
Speaker 1:Okay, when this happened, I was just like so weirded out by the fact that, like Vin and Jimmy, both fucked their significant others on camera.
Speaker 2:On TV.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, this is not the vibe I mean we talked about this where.
Speaker 2:I'm like, it's like, I feel like it would be one thing if it's like yeah, I did that one, it's on TV, whatever, who cares? But then it's an entirely other thing if you're like oh yeah, no, we're married now. Do you want to see our sex tape? Yeah, it's on the internet and a Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2:Vin says that he loves Leilani and she says I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Were you like Mr Rhinz?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God of us. Yeah, are we boyfriend and girlfriend now? And you just not saying anything for a solid five seconds and then me going okay, never mind, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:Never mind, I said nothing. Oh no, that's okay, don't worry, we're still here, we're still here.
Speaker 2:Remember that time that you didn't add me on Facebook for like a year.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're not getting into that. That's more complicated. There was a lot of unresolved trauma.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:Not for this podcast.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the guys are back at the bar. Brace is, the guys are having a conversation. Brace is watching the dancers. Yeah Says, look at you, you need a spanking. And yes, the guys are giving Ben a hard time about having a relationship. Yeah, bit yikes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, something we didn't mention. Not so bad, but Nick kicks Jimmy out of the house.
Speaker 2:That's next. That was just about the.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, oh no, it's not next, but it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this episode is so disjointed and so heavily produced.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nick kicks Jimmy out of the house. Oh no, that's not yet Okay.
Speaker 2:Because we have to talk about the fact that Jimmy's at home practicing his didgeridoo. So he's practicing in the living room. Yeah, and Nick is mad, and I have my notes. Jimmy has to be fucking with him at this point. Yeah, nick takes the didgeridoo from Jimmy. Yeah, and Jimmy just goes. Fair enough.
Speaker 1:I mean a very chill response.
Speaker 2:We can continue at the condo, where Nick is laying in the most straight man way of all time, on the couch.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Jimmy is walking around the kitchen humming and Nick goes to confession and goes, like I hate how he homes and then kicks him out of the house.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're just like. This is so much.
Speaker 2:I just I'm like whoa are you on the lease? Are you the one on the lease?
Speaker 1:But not only that. I'm like it's Nick okay.
Speaker 2:No, clearly not.
Speaker 1:Is he on like a poke?
Speaker 2:Maybe he's quitting smoking, or maybe he's quitting the poke vendors, I don't know man. I don't know man. He's not in a good place. Yeah, we also find out that I've been in Lailawn, or that Lailawn got a job offer in Arizona and she wants him to come back for her yes. So this cuts to like the finale, where they like just do a whole bunch of like where is everybody? What are they doing? Like the end of animal house. Just you know, you make me wanna.
Speaker 1:With exactly that yeah.
Speaker 2:So Vin decides not to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what did? How did you? What did you think about that?
Speaker 2:I think that was the right decision.
Speaker 1:I do too. I think that, although they could have both care about each other, I think that uprooting his entire life so soon into their relationship would have been a bad idea.
Speaker 2:Terrible. I mean like even when I moved to Toronto, we waited for like a year before we moved in together. Totally Cause it's like cool, like let's see if we can stand seeing each other on a daily basis, yep 100%. I have in my notes, dude just date industry. Yeah, we have Jimmy being sad driving around. Yeah, we have Nick moping around. We have Brace at the Chapel again, which may have very well been B-roll from that one episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was B-roll, but like they're not gonna stick that.
Speaker 2:And we have Steven being well playing cool. I don't remember what he said, but I have that in my notes.
Speaker 1:Well, I, if you have it in the notes, then it's great.
Speaker 2:Absolutely that's. That was season one.
Speaker 1:I mean, did you remember it being this way?
Speaker 2:I think I got season one and season two mixed up. So like I feel like things that happen, because there's one episode where they prank one of the guys into thinking that their client is furry and like they're in a fursuit and everything.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I thought that was season one. Would you renew if you were a showcase showtime?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would, because there's enough interesting stuff happening that I would be. My interest would be peak to see what would happen for a season two.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I feel like this would be like green light for season two, but then have to reassess for season three because this could get very.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, and I feel like, because we said it would, it came out in 2011.
Speaker 2:2011.
Speaker 1:So I feel like 2011 is when people were sort of coming into their sexual like. People were sort of suffering.
Speaker 2:Casual sex. Casual sex, that was. That's around the same time that, like, we got the all of the friends with benefits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was wondering if this was around the same time that the L word premiered on Showtime.
Speaker 2:Oh no, l word was 90s, let's find out 2004. Excuse me, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think it was around like showtime was known as a network. That sort of was very sex.
Speaker 2:Yes, queer spoke. And Silicon Valley? Yeah, they had. They had all red shoe diaries at Red Shoe Diaries.
Speaker 1:I remember.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm. So I think this made worth worth given a second season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting premise.
Speaker 2:They could probably hook in a bigger audience with more budget. Yeah, who is your episode? Jiggle of the episode and why is it been?
Speaker 1:Honestly, I was going to say yeah.
Speaker 2:I have been for putting up with the bullshit the guys are putting them through and making a responsible decision. Yeah, do we want to run through our worst to best, jiggalows in order from worse to best. So in fit, nick, I said Stephen.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I was the toss up for sure.
Speaker 2:Why did you say neck over Steven? Like he rubs you the wrong way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's so fair. Yeah, I totally like, because he gives me the it gives me such it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like in fourth that I could see.
Speaker 2:even so, I guess third is race. Yeah, isn't that wild. It's so wild Brace, the one that we were like. He's so terrible and problematic on season. The first episode is the third best jiggalow.
Speaker 1:That's second is Jimmy.
Speaker 2:Second is Jimmy.
Speaker 1:By Jimmy the venture.
Speaker 2:Look was dummy. Yeah, by default. Jimmy had some excellent moments this season.
Speaker 1:But inherently he was also the racist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was very racist. Yeah, amethaginistic Ameth Well, less so, I think. Okay, comparatively less so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And Vin is obviously number one.
Speaker 1:I think there was one he's the number one guy, the number one guy of this show, He-.
Speaker 2:There were points like I think there's only one thing that I can think of where he was like actually problematic, which was when he was like hey, let's assault our coworker as a prank for his birthday. Yes, I remember that. But besides that, yeah, totally like the goodest guy.
Speaker 1:The goodest and best guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Then if you're out there, Hit us up, we'd love to have you on an episode. Yeah, we stand. Yeah, grace, if you're out there, hit us up, we'd love to have you on an episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we actually want to know how old you are.
Speaker 2:Oh my.
Speaker 1:God, does this mean we're actually taking a break now?
Speaker 2:We are actually taking a break now.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Now that we have the new setup.
Speaker 1:Now that we have the new setup, we're going to think about our life.
Speaker 2:We're just going to contemplate, like we're going to try not to spiral, while we think about the futility.
Speaker 1:that is like yeah, but think about this in just a few weeks, the new season of Vanderpump rules starting.
Speaker 2:I'm so fucking excited for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've got Vanderpump rules. We're starting the new trader season, yep, so we're going to have a lot to talk about when the new season is coming.
Speaker 2:When is the new season coming? We haven't decided yet. We haven't decided yet. Yes.
Speaker 1:So we have nothing to tease you with. Yeah, except for thank you for listening.
Speaker 2:Thank you for listening. See you in Q2. We'll definitely see you in Q2. Yeah, we'll see you in Q2. Maybe Q1, but probably not. I don't know. I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:Stop with the corp. Speak you bootlicker. Listen, I'm not in HR anymore, OK well, if you want, you can continue to follow us at high low brow pod. That's high low brow and we are on Instagram threads, tiktok, and let's have a website. It's at highlowbrowpodcom because you know, I know where Right consistency. Yeah right, consistency, we love that.
Speaker 2:Do you want to plug anything that you're doing?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I'm not a writer anymore. No, I'm not, I just I'm like no, I want to leave and not worry about podcasting for the next couple of months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to do that Cool.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go finish reading Iron Flame.
Speaker 1:Sick, all right, all right.