This week, we delve into the 'digital guillotine' and the #Blockout2024 movement on TikTok. The movement urges users to block celebrities who stay silent on Palestine.
We ponder how to balance entertainment with staying informed. We navigate the changing realms of culture and activism, examining differing perspectives on the movement's impact.
Though we can't offer all the solutions, we shed light on how our engagement with pop culture and social media affects our mental health and the world around us.
Show Notes and References:
This week, we delve into the 'digital guillotine' and the #Blockout2024 movement on TikTok. The movement urges users to block celebrities who stay silent on Palestine.
We ponder how to balance entertainment with staying informed. We navigate the changing realms of culture and activism, examining differing perspectives on the movement's impact.
Though we can't offer all the solutions, we shed light on how our engagement with pop culture and social media affects our mental health and the world around us.
Show Notes and References:
Welcome to High Low Brow. The show with high brow takes on low brow culture. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber.
Speaker 2:And I am your chemically balanced co-host, river Gilbert. Oh, that sounds so nice. I'm your one host, amanda Scriber, and I am your chemically balanced co-host River Gilbert. Oh, that's not so nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I upped my dosage of Effexor and I suddenly have motivation again. Hell yeah, I know it's funny because I am Raw dogging life in all aspects. I am NOT on antidepressants, I am NOT on any medication.
Speaker 2:You haven't been smoking weed lately.
Speaker 1:I'm just out, here you are literally raw dogging life. I know I'm like I also my therapist and I had a conversation about going down to one session.
Speaker 2:I'm like is this what people Is this what, being well adjusted, feels like?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like, wow, this is weird. I'm not mad about it, I'm also just like what is this?
Speaker 2:And now we're going to stop narrowcasting to the zero mentally well listeners that we have and remind them that don't worry.
Speaker 1:I'm still suffering. Oh, oh, 100%. Like I'm not saying that I am good by any means, I'm just saying over being in therapy for however many years I have learned to find good coping mechanisms.
Speaker 2:Whatever that means. It's the Obama change poster, but it's a picture of your face that says cope. That says cope, cope, yeah, 2024.
Speaker 1:2024. Yeah, I mean honestly, 2024 has been about a lot of coping. Lots of coping but this episode is not about me coping.
Speaker 2:No, this is what we alluded to last week, where we were like, okay, we need to actually do some research on this, we need to actually see what people are saying and kind of talk about the digital guillotine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think you know, before we really get into it, the reason why I thought this was important and you can tell me what you think the reason why I thought it was really important for us to do an episode about this is because you know I have no delusions of grandeur that our podcast is about pop culture, it's about celebrity culture, it's about all of these things and currently, right now, even though we just talked about you know I am doing great and you're more chemically balanced the world is a garbage fire and there's a lot of really fucked up, shitty and shitty things that are happening, and it's been happening not just this year, but for several years, for many years decades even yeah, like better part of century yeah, but what I mean is that it's felt like it's been escalating.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so for me it felt remiss if we did not say something, because that's the least that we could potentially do having a platform.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's also. It would be pretty tone deaf to be like all celebrities are garbage fires and but we love watching them, without saying like also, this is kind of what's going on with celebrity culture right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I mean, even when Danita and I first started the podcast, one of one of the things that we kind of really discussed in sort of the ethos of the show was let people like things was sort of for sure because the fact of the matter is is that when, when high, low brow was started, it was in like the, the, the height of the pandemic, and we were sort of struggling with the fact of people really saying like you know, why are you watching reality television, why are you watching these silly like not even just reality TV? Or why are you watching Crossroads? Or why are you reading YA, or why are you policing? How people were coping.
Speaker 1:Going back to that word coping, yeah, 2024. Cope to 2024. And it's kind of like people cope in different ways. People find a way to push and get through so often. Much of that is rooted in pop culture.
Speaker 2:For sure. I mean, yeah, it is definitely. It's well, let's, let's get into it, because there's going to be a lot of nuance to this conversation, I think.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I think we should also say we are not experts by any means, oh God no. We're not saying that what we're going to discuss today is the only nuanced conversation. We're not saying it's the be-all and end-all.
Speaker 2:It's neither exhaustive nor overly expert. Yeah, it is a bumbling discussion of what this movement is all about, and totally and like we have read some articles, we've seen some tiktoks.
Speaker 1:We will try and do our best to give our own thoughts and opinions, but of course we may fuck it up yeah, I mean, like you coming from back in the 2010s, the like social justice world I'm sure you're very familiar with. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean like I'm very used to being like that's not correct and so now I'm just used to being like I know I'm going to fuck it up yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to get it right, and that's okay, and I think part of why when we were starting this as well, not just like the conversation of the episode today, which I feel like we're- rambling. But part of that is like you're a human and you're never going to get everything right, but as long as you're trying, well, yeah, yeah. So let's get into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so do we know who started this movement?
Speaker 1:There's been some references to who has started this movement, but I think, before we start into the movement, really what has sparked this is there's a genocide happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean a literal genocide happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean a literal genocide happening yeah, yeah not no, like tipsy towing around it, it's, that is a thing that is happening yeah, and like we're not going to get into a nuanced conversation of the israel and palestine conflict. What is happening there, like that would is happening there, like that would take up an entire episode.
Speaker 2:That would take up an entire dissertation.
Speaker 1:But however, throughout everything, what? What really kicked off the things on October 7th? But people started to take a larger look and an exploration into companies that they should be boycotting, who either had investments or tie ins to Israel and supporting the military movement that was happening. So, for example, starbucks was a big one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, october 7th was the Hamas attack on Israel, correct? That is correct yes, okay, and that's sort of what people were that started the whole. Do you condemn Hamas conversation, which eventually devolved into Zionism, which eventually devolved into literal genocide?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the Coles Notes version of it In some of the lists that have been going on around online as well. Mcdonald's has been part of those lists as well. Remax, which is a real estate company. They have been part of those lists as well because they've bought up land that is not necessarily Israeli land, and so on and so forth. So, there's been lists like this that have been going around, that sort of target companies who have financial ties and how you can sort of boycott them. There's even like websites and apps.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely yeah, it was. Uh, I think one of them is called no Thank you or no Thanks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I know that there is another one. I believe the website link is BDS.
Speaker 2:Yes, bds is the Boycott, divestment and Sanctions Movement to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinian and pressure Israel to comply with international law directly from their website.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I found a Canadian, because we are located in Canada. I found a Canadian version of this website yesterday and some of the people, some of the companies that they had listed on there, I was like I'm not, I'm not 100% sure about.
Speaker 2:So I think We'll get into the nuance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think. I think that's what leads us to sort of the digital guillotine and the blockout 2024 movement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Starting with Met Gala 2024. And which celebrity was it that did the? Uh, let them eat cake.
Speaker 1:Well, they, they aren't actually a celebrity. So basically, there was an influencer and she had been asked by E News to come and host a carpet. Her name is Haley Cayley, I think that's how you pronounce her last name, but her TikTok username is Haley Bailey that's probably the name that you've seen thrown around and essentially she was asked to attend a pre-Mack Gala event and host a carpet of some sort. I don't like. Before this had even happened, I didn't even know who she was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This is not. These are not the people that I would follow in my day-to-day life, but essentially, the video that she posted was her in a Marie Antoinette costume.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm Costume. Well, it was a floral costume and her saying let them eat cake from the Marie Antoinette movie.
Speaker 1:Got it Okay and I think the reason why she was wearing what she was wearing is because the Met Gala theme was floral.
Speaker 2:It was something specific. It was the Garden of Time. Garden of garden of time, which was based on a book or a short story. I have not read it, so I'm not going to pretend to be like. Here's what it.
Speaker 1:Anyways, while this is all happening, there was also bombing happening in rafa yes, and to give some further context, the met gala, as, as we all know, is quite exclusive. In order to attend, you need to be specifically picked by Anna Wintour herself, or, if Anna Wintour has picked a fashion house to attend, you need to be invited by one of them.
Speaker 1:They've now added, was it a 75 000 ticket price I well, I think that's like I I I think that was going around, but from my understanding it's not like it's not just something that you can like pay for, but in 2024.
Speaker 2:Individual tickets cost 75 000, while tables cost 350 000 it's everybody's been comparing this to the hunger games yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So like personally, I've never seen people just buying tickets no, it's new, it's new, it is a new thing yeah, okay, so that's probably why I was like no, you can't buy it.
Speaker 2:I think it's a, it's probably both. It's a. You have to be invited and for the privilege.
Speaker 1:Right, like, for example, in the last few years TikTok has sent to creators. Tiktok, might you know, purchase a table for $350,000 so that they can send some of their creators, and then they will write something like that off.
Speaker 2:And there was a big discussion about whether the celebrities even wanted influencers there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if they wanted to remain elite. Which is problematic in and of itself.
Speaker 2:No kidding.
Speaker 1:Because like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:So perfect storm this year incredibly, incredibly high ticket price, the tone deafness of the let them eat cake and the bombing of rafa all happening simultaneously everybody's like you know what get fucked yeah, and like I am not gonna sit here and say during the night of the mac gala, I read, I reposted sure like. I have always been a person who, like, I'm not like. Oh, the mac ally. I love this, but I love fashion, which is what the mac al is about and I'm again if we go back to like a.
Speaker 1:A lot of people like I just want to look at pretty dresses sometimes, or I just want to look at people liking like wearing these ridiculous outfits and being like what the fuck is this bitch wearing? Anyways, that's not to say that I am not fully aware of what is happening in the world. Sure sure, sure and the nuances of things. But 24 hours later, was it even 24 hours?
Speaker 2:I don't know the exact indirect response, regardless of the amount of time there was a tiktok user and their name was lady from the outside.
Speaker 1:That's it now. From our research and from what we've been able to gather just from the various articles that we've read, this was the person who started the digital guillotine, the, the blockout 2024 there. There may have been someone else. We're not trying to be like.
Speaker 2:This was the only person no, I mean like there's always boycotts and stuff. This is, this was what is largely credited as like hey this is sort of the kickoff, and then Blockout 2024 on TikTok came out and basically they were like you know what let's divert ad revenue from these people.
Speaker 1:So, for those of you who may not know and I know this because I work in social media they not know, and I know this because I work in social media. But a lot of times celebrities, influencers, people who have clout and power in some way, they make money from partnerships, brand deals, they make money from the ads that they push through their social media channels from.
Speaker 2:You know, the TikTok creator fund, which we don't have in Canada.
Speaker 1:So whatever, but like the TikTok creator fund, I also think, for Snapchat really also pays all of their creators and I think they've gone after a lot of like celebrities as well. So the the nuance was that okay? Okay, if we start blocking these influencers, these celebrities who are not speaking out about palestine, who are not speaking out about the genocide, who are not speaking out about the atrocities that are happening, we can directly impact them financially where they are at.
Speaker 2:yeah, and it wasn't. It's not specifically celebrities who are Zionist, it's also celebrities who are not taking a stance. So, and additionally, from diverting ad revenue from these people, it's I don't know if it's the same with TikTok, but I remember when Twitter's source code became public, they showed that if you got blocked, you had a massive negative reach. So I imagine there's probably something similar with Instagram, with TikTok.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like the, the algorithms as they, they're all weird.
Speaker 2:They're proprietary.
Speaker 1:Proprietary, even like someone who works in social, I don't even we just guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what AB testing's for. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Day in and day out. I'm just like I'm just out here trying to make something work.
Speaker 1:And sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. However, there was a great Stacey, lee Kong, who has been on the podcast before. She is the creator of Friday Things and if you don't follow them, you absolutely should, because they're incredible and amazing Also talk about celebrity pop culture, but they did a post about how Kim Kardashian lost. People have been talking about how Kim Kardashian has lost close to a million followers since this digital guillotine has started, and while I think it's not, it's not, it's not a million followers, it's close, but the thing is, is that what does that impact actually look like? When it comes to reach, like you said, reach engagement, because at the end of the day, having been involved in influencer deals in the backend, oftentimes clients don't care about engagement numbers, they don't care about how many followers have been lost, they don't care about fake following numbers.
Speaker 2:They don't care about anything they want to see, roi. The rest of those metrics are just what agencies push to be like. Look, look, how good we did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the sad reality is that there's only been one or two clients that I've worked with in my time that actually made us do exhaustive research into. Are these individuals problematic? Has there been anything on the internet that has been controversial? Do they buy fake? Do they do X, y and Z?
Speaker 2:A majority of the time time clients don't care heck, I've worked with a pr firm that actively pushed, like trad wife. What right white supremacists onto our platform?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I was like thankfully, thankfully.
Speaker 2:We're like pull that, pull that shit immediately yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess this is where the nuance comes into it, because also, what you had you brought up, which I thought was really interesting, is there's been people who have been put onto these lists who are not necessarily Zionists. So a good example of that was I think I saw that Bella Hadid had been put onto a list and Bella Hadid has actually been a very vocal like. She has been a huge supporter of Palestine, she and I don't. Did you find a reason for why she's been put on?
Speaker 2:a list? No, I did not, so this goes back to like your activism days. This goes back to like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 1:This is not to get conspiracy.
Speaker 2:But this is kind of what the powers that be want is for us to be disorganized, for us to be fighting about things about. I think back to like trans activism and like the, the trans med arguments and it's like yeah, no, like that's shitty and all. But hey, do you know what's worse? Like people, trans people, dying yeah maybe we should listen. We'll sort it out after the revolution totally, and I think you know.
Speaker 1:this is not to say that a digital guillotine or a blockout isn't positive, because let's go back to, like the starbucks and mcdonald's example and this is the reason why I brought it up at the beginning those two companies like mcdonald's, I have read that they have actually divested and they're selling off their properties in Israel. Great so that. No, go ahead.
Speaker 2:They've also paid TikTok to get the people that blocked them unblocked. Yeah, so you know we'll take the good with the bad.
Speaker 1:My thing is that clearly boycotting is working in some respects it's not perfect by any means, but you're making people see that you are going to hit them where it hurts.
Speaker 2:I mean, we'll talk about Loblaws in a moment, but I'm thinking personally. There's a big difference between boycotting a brand and trying to hold them accountable and blocking a celebrity and saying I disagree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Well, I think part of there was a Dazed article that we read.
Speaker 2:About the parasocial relationships, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I thought that was a great point is that you and it makes me think about sort of the work that I did in fact, fat activism, where people develop parasocial relationships with influencers, with celebrities, and then once something has changed, either with their politic or with them as a human or an individual, for whatever reason at all, people get very upset, people, you know, sort of switch on them and again, I have also been a part of that problem.
Speaker 2:Of course.
Speaker 1:I think a good example of this and I'll kind of tie it back to why I bring it up is Lizzo was always like hugely body positive. Never said that they were a fat activist in any way, but they licensed their music to be used in Weight Watchers commercials, but they licensed their music to be used in Weight Watchers commercials.
Speaker 1:And I remember I was just like this just seems like the complete opposite of everything that Lizzo stands for. And I posted something about this and I got called out because people were like, well, she's a fat black woman and she deserves to make her bag the however way that she wants, and she has never called herself a fat activist. And I was like you know what Fair that is true. My feelings are like I don't have like me and Lizzo aren't friends and I can't police or judge the way that she is making her own money. However, I can still feel the way that she is making her own money. However, I can still feel the way that I feel I don't think that her music should be used in Weight Watchers commercials. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. Well, there was a article, I think, that came out last month and I can't remember the publication it was in, but it was something to the effect of I lost a friend over Taylor Swift tickets. Yes, I feel like it was HuffPost but it could be wrong, and the effectively.
Speaker 1:Oh, or it could have been the Cut, because I think it was the Cut. Yeah, the Cut always has the most unhinged personal essays, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I thought that the very interesting point that they were making was that people, because of the decline of like organized religion and having community that way, people are sort of glomming on to these parasocial relationships with celebrity well, we, we did a whole episode on parasocial relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100, so like we'll have to link back to that because you're right. People are just sort of like they're attaching themselves to things that they feel connected to. This is Stan culture. Yeah, it's Stan culture, but it's also. We, as humans and individuals feel so disconnected from one another that this is what we have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so all of that is to say oh gosh. And we also have to talk about the fact that no press is bad press, and by putting eyes on these people, we are effectively driving people who say, well, what's going on? Oh, I like that. We're driving people to them and we're further splitting the aisles.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I guess the other thing, the reason why I brought up the Lizzo example as well. No, no, no. It's great because I think we're having a good conversation.
Speaker 2:Good conversation.
Speaker 1:Whether or not other people agree, but when this digital guillotine started, we also would be remiss to not remember that Lizzo has been having a very bad PR year.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God girl.
Speaker 1:And I don't like Lizzo has been very quiet, quiet online for a bit. Then she came back and said she was quitting music. Yeah, then I think she rolled that back. Then she said she'd made up with her dancer. Like I don't know what's happening with Lizzo, but the fact is is is that when this digital guillotine started as soon as it started, and certain celebrities were being called out for why they hadn't spoken on palestine, on like anything. Then they started making tiktoks and instagram lives and stuff being like oh hey, have you heard? Like I want to raise funds and here's this, go fund me.
Speaker 1:and yeah, and lizzo was one of those people and it was a similar situation from my understanding, to like the rock and oprah being like we've promised this and it's like girl you're, you have so much fucking money, just give them the money yeah, so lizzo made this live where she like called out a specific go fund me and then people in the comments were just dragging her being being like girl. You could donate all of the money that is trying to be raised. We're poor, so try to get us to fund this make it a fucking ice bucket challenge.
Speaker 2:Do like cool. I'm calling these people out to do to sponsor these families and whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't put this on us yeah, I mean, and I think I think that's sort of the thing that's been happening is that these rich people are so delulue and so out of touch Like they haven't. They haven't been regular degular people like us in so long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's the rest of development. What is a banana cost Twenty dollars.
Speaker 1:Basically. Yeah basically yeah and like, not only just that, they know that if people like, if people turn, on them.
Speaker 2:They have nothing, they'll. They won't be invited to dancing all with the stars like shishu shishu and lala, their q scores are so low right now their q scores so so low. Right now we got to talk about Loblaws while we're talking about boycotts? Yes, we do so, as we mentioned we're from.
Speaker 1:We are from Canada. One boycott that's currently happening is Loblaws, loblaws.
Speaker 2:It was for the month of May. They were basically like look, if you are able to don't shop at Loblaws, or if you have to shop at Loblaws, lawlaws Use points. Obviously there's a lot of. They're like look, we understand that this is very privileged and that we are able to do this, and here's other ways you could support us. But yeah, they have a whole subreddit. It gained a whole bunch of traction, a whole bunch of news.
Speaker 2:I read an article that said like 18 of canadians are participating actively participating which is like wild over 50 of them know about it and it's something high like 32 to 36. Agree with it yeah like it's it's. But they just decided, hey, we pulled the subreddit and people want to keep going, so they're going to extend the boycott into, I think it's actually indefinite.
Speaker 1:It's indefinite. Yes, and I think this is sort of like. The reason why we're bringing this up is because I think this sort of speaks to the general vibe of where people are at right now.
Speaker 2:Union support is up. Boycott support is way up. The fact that Loblaws has now agreed to voluntarily sign the grocer's code of conduct, with the provision that competitors are also going to be signing it. But still that's huge for something that they refused to sign in the first place.
Speaker 1:Totally, it's wild. Now we just wait and see if anybody else will sign it. I think they see it as an easy PR move, which kind of goes back to your point you were saying about how celebrities who ended up on these lists, you know, were kind of doing their PR for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, whether it be good or bad, this reminds me of the lady on TikTok. I love all of her videos. Her name is Molly McPherson. Her whole TikTok is about crisis PR communications, and what she does is she examines celebrities, pop culture If you haven't watched any of her videos, you really should. Celebrities, pop culture if you haven't watched any of her videos, you really should, because it's fascinating to understand it from the other side.
Speaker 1:And I haven't seen if she's done anything about this digital guillotine, but I would love to know if she has yeah day, whether or not you're blocking people, you're still talking about them, which, in turn, is you know when we, when we in social media. That's just adding whether or not you're tagging them, that's adding to social listening, which is boosting, boosting their like, boosting them up.
Speaker 2:We know, we know activating emotion is the number one driving forces, force of traffic. So I mean, you're going to be really passionate about the israel, palestine, about fucking genocide, one way or another, and that's going to drive traffic yeah, so I guess sorry, no, no, no, go ahead uh, some, I saw a tweet that somebody said. It was something to the effect of like yeah, if, if you don't like a Zionist author, don't, don't talk about it, just keep hating it and don't say anything about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think one of the things, one of my critiques about this, is that it feels like some celebrities are just being added to the list with no sort of like. We're just adding this person because they're signed to this music label and the person who runs the label is a Zionist, so therefore they're supporting and it's like. That's like a six degrees of separation.
Speaker 2:It is partially where do we draw the line, but I think it also really speaks to how fed up people are of course, but I think there's no ethical consumption under capitalism and we're all just like again.
Speaker 1:These people are celebrities. They are not the same as regular people however, imagine you, they all start somewhere. I think like sometimes they're just trying to get through, like all of us. Yeah, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to like.
Speaker 2:Celebrity apologist. Right here, Emma follows Tom Sandoval no absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I am not a. I'm no. Follows Tom Sandoval? No, absolutely not. I am not a. No, I don't think I follow celebrities, period, for the reason being that most celebrities and brands are cringe on the internet. Yeah, dude, but also I work in this.
Speaker 2:So literally.
Speaker 1:I don't want to. I don't want to have to deal with that in my off time. Yeah, it's like it's exhausting.
Speaker 2:It's exhausting, don't bring it Literally. I don't want to have to deal with that in my off time. Yeah, it's like oh, it's exhausting, don't bring it home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like honestly, I think that's another thing.
Speaker 2:It's like and another thing.
Speaker 1:And another thing. But, like honestly, at the end of the day, you are the one who curates your feed, and are these people, these celebrities, these influencers, are they putting things into your feed that you want to see, or are they just selling shit to you? And nine times out of ten, they're just selling shit to you. So, whether you're blocking them or not, what are they actually giving you of value? Community?
Speaker 2:Parasocial relationships.
Speaker 1:Parasocial relationships. That's what it is by community. I meancial relationships, parasocial relationships.
Speaker 2:That's what it is. By community, I mean the illusion of community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Don't you want to be part of the Bayhive?
Speaker 1:No, I want to follow. I want to follow people like that TikTok or Gucci pineapple Hell yeah, gucci pineapple. Like that comment I showed you yesterday where I was like I'm gonna tell my kids this was my antidepressant. Like that's the kind of shit that I want to follow. Or like I want to follow meme accounts like dying you're fine. Like that's the shit that keeps, that's the shit that makes me help cope.
Speaker 2:That's yeah, that's health gurus hate her. Follow these one steps to follow me.
Speaker 1:Mccount this is how you raw dog life that's how you raw dog life that's, and green juice and green.
Speaker 2:I don't think you've ever drank a green.
Speaker 1:No, I haven't, but I thought I thought it sounded good together you know, if we're doing that, health go through.
Speaker 2:And you can sell something AG1,. Get at us.
Speaker 1:Do we have anything else yet?
Speaker 2:Oh my god, there's so much. We've just started scratching the surface. This is such a complicated topic.
Speaker 1:It's very complicated, but again it felt important to discuss. Yeah, yeah, and I think there's probably. We could probably go on for hours, but like you have somewhere to be.
Speaker 2:I've got a pmp to study for wow, bringing real life issues into yeah tell the people where they can find. You can find us everywhere at high low brow pod that's h-i-g-h l-o-w brow pod, primarily twitter threads. We're sorry, yeah not twitter.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's like you don't even know the podcast primarily, primarily tiktok threads, instagram, not twitter at all yeah, I mean, we have an account there, but only because I don't want anybody to take our handle. Yeah, if you want, you can also visit our website. It's highlowbrowpodcom and from there you can also find out how to rate our podcast. You can also find out how to leave us a message. Fan mail, yeah, all the things. So I think Fan mail, yeah, all the things.
Speaker 2:So I think, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Tune in next week. We'll be here.
Speaker 2:Be here covering less nuanced topics like the reunion.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think by next week we can actually talk about the Vanderpump Rules.
Speaker 2:Next week will be a Vanderpump Rules reunion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been seeing some conspiracy theories about what the third and final will be about, but we will see Very excited yeah. Okay, bye, bye.