Conversations w/ Alan White (lots of laughs guaranteed)

Another episode of two fools talking about everything and knowing nothing.  This is conversations and topics in the cycling world from Tour de France to local dopers.  The wide range of topics filled with laughs and just a good time.  


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Speaker 1 0:00

What is up cycling Oklahoma. Thank you so much for tuning in for another episode. This one is another doozy because it's me and Alan talking a much nonsense. So if you liked round one of me and Alan being fools, then you're gonna like round two because it's more of the same. We did a little few little things different where we talk. We kind of have a little bit of a structure on this episode, so that's good. But we at the end we had asked questions on our Instagram pages and got some questions that people wanted us to answer or topics people wanted us to talk about. That section as of now it's a working title is conversations when dumb and dumber. So that's towards the end of the episode. I think you will enjoy that. But if you like listening to two fools ramble, then you will love this episode and thoroughly be entertained. Hopefully we'll do more of these episodes. They're a good time and it seems that we get a lot of good feedback, so that's always fun. But thanks again for tuning in. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1 4:12

I hope you enjoy this one. Please subscribe, share this with your friends, give me topics and ideas for guests or things you want us to hear us talk about. Even Rai Rai, out in Bentonville, arkansas, sent me contact information for someone who would be a great interview in Tulsa. So I love suggestions. Send them to me. If you think this sucks, let me know how we can make it better. But thank you so much for everyone. That is a part of this fun little journey and don't forget, if you have any garage door needs whatsoever, more overhead door is who you need to get a hold of, so please send me a call at 405-799-9214. Hope you enjoy the episode. Alright, mr Allen, do I call you doctor? What would you like to go by? Oh, you can call me whatever you want. I'll call you doctor. Yeah, and call me doctor. Well, I mean, since we discovered the other day that I'm not a real doctor, right you?

Speaker 1 5:16

play a doctor on the Internet. Yes, and some others are real doctors or think they're doctors, which we had that conversation.

Speaker 2 5:24

I never told you the story of how. I'm not going to say where I was, but there was a guy on a bike team who came up to me at one point, starts to tell me about a problem that happened with his eye and he's wanting me to look at it. Did you look at?

Speaker 1 5:40

it.

Speaker 2 5:40

Well, I was like, dude, I'm not a real doctor. You should probably talk to a real doctor about that. And he goes oh, I thought you were, can you still look at it?

Speaker 1 5:50

Sure, Absolutely Get up here. Yeah, yeah, it's bloodshot. Yes, yeah, and it's oozing. You should get that looked at. Yeah, what kind of doctor would you be? If you could be any doctor, what would it be?

Speaker 2 6:03

What would I be man? That'd be a tough one. That would be a tough one.

Speaker 1 6:07

Let's go with brain surgeon, you know if I was thinking now and why that's the one I would have picked, I would think brain surgeon goes right along with you. No, you wouldn't. I was thinking more of a proctologist or urologist. That's what.

Speaker 2 6:19

Drummond always says I am Hmm.

Speaker 1 6:22

You had this probably different topic.

Speaker 2 6:23

Yes, you had quite the conversation with him, didn't you?

Speaker 1 6:25

I did, that was good. Yeah, that was a good episode. He's real fast.

Speaker 2 6:29

Yeah, he's a wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 1 6:31

He is. Yeah, I don't think it was a lot. We talked about it more off the episode. But just talking about suspension and just all these little nuances, yeah, it's unbelievable. Best you know we thought he went out with you, did it.

Speaker 2 6:48

He did and, honestly, that's where I learned how to set up my suspension was. We spent two hours Mm-hmm like fine tuning it and and getting it right and dialing it in, because it's individual to each person, mm-hmm, and I learned so much from him in that. But don't ever tell him that. Yeah, yeah and.

Speaker 1 7:05

I made the mistake early in the up, like in my intro. He's one of my favorite people and he hasn't mentioned it yet. Yeah, but I know it's coming at some point. Yep, he's never gonna let that know, you don't let it go to his head. Well, it's too late. Yeah, man, but riding with it was stupid. I can't even explain to it it's yeah, effortless Yep, and I'm sure he was so bored riding with me in socks.

Speaker 2 7:27

We're like, oh god, these guys are like this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 7:30

Yeah, but it's whenever one of us would ride in front of him and he would like give us tips and directions because he's watching and the other person rides behind him. So most of the time I rode I was in the back riding and just trying to follow his lines. Yeah, I'm like this is so smooth. Well, there was this one section. I was just for some reason like the trail kind of split. I'm like, mmm, that one looks sketchy, and so I didn't follow him. And then that took my side and I was like, man, I'm glad I didn't follow him, because it was like a drop, yeah, and I got past it and I was like dude, and he's like, yeah, I should have told you not to follow me there. I'm like, yeah, you should it. Well, then we come to another one like that Well, I followed him just because I didn't see the outlet. But when I got there, dude, and he just like, and I yard, sailed it.

Speaker 1 8:12

They did well. I did that later. Oh, okay but not in that section. But it was like pure luck that it was a brutal yard sale. But then we switched spots and I got in front. Hmm, I was not in front more than like Three minutes, yeah, before I yard sale, yeah, and it was like full speed, I don't know, 15 ish, I don't even know what. I think we're on blowing springs, yep, going down this like swervy downhill just flowing, and I I don't Separate my body from the bike at all.

Speaker 1 8:43

Yeah, the problem yeah and he goes hey, do that.

Speaker 2 8:46

And it was just and I.

Speaker 1 8:48

It happened so fast, I didn't even see. You know how a lot of times it's like slow motion. Yeah, this one was just boom, it was so fast. When I opened my eyes my face was on. I got poison ivy because I went off the trail down the hill and he just comes up. He, he, he shoulder okay and I'm like thanks, I was like. Like, yeah, that sucked brilliant.

Speaker 2 9:06

So yeah, that's, but I learned a lot, hmm, now I gotta go practice, so tonight I'm gonna practice nice.

Speaker 1 9:11

Yeah, so we got a whole list of topics? Yes, we do, and we need a name for our series. Yeah, so we're gonna keep thinking about that. Yeah, we might have one when this episode comes out, but if we don't, and somebody wants to chime in and give us ideas- it's crazy that people want to listen to the two of us do this. I've gotten more comments about these episodes. That one episode than any comments about any episodes you've ever had so funny but yeah, to each their own, you got a ton too.

Speaker 1 9:38

Yes, and now we show up on rides and people are like asking chiming in? Yes.

Speaker 2 9:43

Yes, you guys should blank. I'm like man, you guys. I think part of it is. They think we won't talk about topics. I hate to say, but we're going to yeah, I think that fuels the fire.

Speaker 1 9:53

Yep, mm-hmm, yep. So we have a whole list of things today and, again, this is a work in progress, so who knows where it ends up, and we even have an outline and show notes.

Speaker 2 10:06

I put together show notes because, like, if we're like taking this to the next level, which is not very high, yeah where we started a level like I did, actual a little bit of research, so now I have some show notes impressed. Thanks, mm-hmm. Yeah, very, very good what I was really doing was avoiding work today. Why?

Speaker 1 10:23

put this together nice that a boy?

Speaker 2 10:26

Yeah, I've done that a lot this week, so we're on the same page there.

Speaker 1 10:29

Um, so I mean we want to jump off with? Let's talk about races. Sure you want to jump into the big one? Oh, tour de France, let's do it. Do you watch it? I did okay. Every day you, july is like the greatest month of sports for me. Yeah, I get the Tour de France every morning. Yep, I get the British open. Oh yeah, going there.

Suspicions of Doping in Cycling

Speaker 2 10:47

It's perfect, yep, yeah yeah, it's works all day, every day. Okay, so here's my question for you in the Tour de France, are they dope being or not dope being? I, what do you think? I say yes. I Go between yes and I'm not sure. Mm-hmm, because I Think technology, nutrition, all that things evolved so much, but the games they have are ridiculous. Quickly, yes, and that's the hard part, that sort of wrap your head around, right?

Speaker 1 11:20

It's not like they were have slow, like clearly it's gotten faster and faster, faster. It took a big dip whenever yep, after the doping, yep and the everything everything got slower, slower. It didn't continue like it legit was like okay, this dope stuff really works right, so yeah, but Since then it's not like it like slowly progressed every year's like oh, or like one team had an advantage because they were riding certain wheels or Something like that. Like I will say, sky yep had an advantage because they were doing the marginal gains and really fine-tuning all that, yeah. But then everybody caught up to that and then it's just like exploded again.

Speaker 2 11:59

Yeah, it, yeah, that's where I get it. The the rate at which it has changed does not make sense, right? No, and that's so. Here's my research part. Oh, so in this year's tour, so that your 20 minute watts per kilo is the Sort of hey, what's the GC standard on 20 watts per kilo? Okay, the new standard for this year's tour is seven watts per kilo.

Speaker 1 12:24

Seven watts mine's like 2.7 right.

Speaker 2 12:29

In in 2020, the cold and Mari Blanc Poga char went up that in 24 minutes 28 seconds. Okay, beat Roglic all those guys by almost three minutes this year vanguard. So you're what, three years later, mm-hmm did it in just over 22 minutes.

Speaker 1 12:53

So how did he knock off? A minute and a half does not make sense.

Speaker 2 12:56

Three years tech is not advanced that much More, science is not advanced that much Right, it does not make sense it doesn't.

Speaker 1 13:05

and the thing is that they Might like they do race differently. Yep, and you'll get some old-school traditionalist guys Be like hey, you know, it is what it is. I don't think they are, but they do race differently. They're race harder, but every single day they race harder. So you would think, yeah, they would have more fatigue at the end, but they're still setting, and I, and then I get to hear the stupid argument Well, they didn't keep records and so on, so time, it doesn't matter there.

Speaker 2 13:30

They're faster this year.

Speaker 1 13:31

Yeah, every last couple years they're faster every single year, yeah, so it doesn't matter if they have records of it or not.

Speaker 2 13:35

Yeah, and I think as well. Like was it the time trial? I think it was the time trial where vanguard just blew everybody's doors off like almost caught Pogachar at the finish and it's like holy shit. And he beat, he beat van art by a long way.

Speaker 1 13:54

Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I think I have a hard time believing any major sport of any kind as clean period. Oh, I agree. So yeah, especially anything that includes a lot of money, a lot of yep, endurance and a lot of power. Yeah, someone is gonna be dope in yep, so yep is every one of them, like it was rampant back in the day.

Speaker 2 14:16

Maybe not. Yeah, I don't know that they're necessarily injecting EPO into their veins anymore, but they find something something's different, that that their marginal gains are more than marginal nice, yes, well, and the thing is, back then nobody would thought about EPO and blood doping either right, yeah so it's just progressed.

Speaker 1 14:33

Yeah, like Barry bonds, how does cream and clear? Yeah, I mean Technology with doping is all always gonna be ahead.

Speaker 2 14:41

Yes, always yeah science, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:43

And To end the piece, and here's the thing, I don't trust anybody yeah in to a fault sometimes, but they're at no big star ever gets busted, right, pretty much in any sport, right, because that sport cannot afford that Yep. But some low-end guy always gets busted, yep, cuz he's expendable.

Speaker 1 15:03

They're the ones always getting caught, always, always getting caught and maybe they are doping more because they are, you know, lower talent wise and so they're doing anything and everything to try to get into the game. Yeah, but yeah, I just can't. I mean, there's no way that cycling could handle one of those two guys getting popped for doping.

Speaker 2 15:21

Yeah, and I always wonder, if you look down at any given stage through the leaderboard, like from the time difference from first to last, like it's pretty substantial and those guys are top-end athletes. Yeah, it's like, are they really that far apart or is there something different between the first guy and the last guy? Right, there has to be, yeah, monies on the line. They're gonna find every advantage they can. Yes, every single advantage.

Speaker 1 15:48

And they're always gonna be ahead of the game, right, and you listen to stories, the guys in the NFL, they're like we know when we're gonna get tested, yep, and if you get busted in the NFL, you're an idiot. Yeah, you just dope around in same with baseball. You just don't run schedules, and it is harder, probably, with endurance, because I have the passport and all those kinds of things. Yep, there is a way.

Speaker 1 16:08

Yeah, oh, for sure for sure, and there's things that they don't test for. Yep, that's new science. Yeah, that's my thing. I think there's just new things that they take that the testing is isn't there yet. Yeah, so what do you think? Do you think?

Speaker 2 16:21

they do. Oh, yes, a hundred percent. Yeah, I really really do. I mean it's just those differences in, like the time trial, the mountain stage before it. It was just, you know, you had two athletes are right there with each other and then, boom, you don't. Mm-hmm, it's like okay, something's up here, right.

Speaker 1 16:41

I. It's. Something is up and the fact is, if they had a one like the classics, I love the classics, those are my favorite I like the classics more than the stage races, but going and smashing your face in one day like that.

Speaker 2 16:53

Yeah, okay, yep, but over the course of what three?

Speaker 1 16:56

weeks and they don't really slow down much. No, like at all. No, you know, ride like if you're in pretty good shape. Yeah, you want ride really hard for two or three days. Yeah, that third day or fourth day, like you notice it, yeah, and rest and recovery.

Speaker 2 17:13

That whole world has gotten better about what they should be doing. Sleep, you know, the hey you know. Get a helicopter to get them off the top of the mountain. So they're not spending time in the bus. That does not amount to those sorts of gains, though that those guys are you talking like almost 10%. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, the math does not add up.

Speaker 1 17:33

Well here's a fun hot topic. What's that? Do you think people locally are doping? Oh, that was on our list, that was on our list, but I feel like this is a perfect time to bring it up.

Speaker 2 17:42

Do I think people locally are doping probably. I mean, there's the guy in Texas that got caught who is up here racing Wheeler.

Speaker 1 17:49

Well, yeah, he was from here.

Speaker 2 17:51

Oh really, yeah, yeah, and then race down there, yeah three.

Racing, Doping, and Women's Cycling Discussion

Speaker 1 17:55

I think he's cat three I think he was doing the. I think he might have been doing either. Be your be racer C race.

Speaker 2 17:59

Yeah, he had quads a size of my, like waste all you had to do is look at the picture from Wheeler or the podium where Perkins is standing beside this guy who looks like he's about to eat Perkins.

Speaker 1 18:10

He looked like when John Cena did the movie. Yes, the name that movie. Yeah, oh, it's a terrible. It was the spoof of Tour de France.

Speaker 2 18:17

Yes, pharmacy, tour de pharmacy. He looked like.

Speaker 1 18:20

John Cena in Tour de Pharmacy. Yeah yeah, I think Perkins was jealous.

Speaker 2 18:24

I, perkins, has like a real man, quads, and that dude put him to shame the cause.

Speaker 1 18:29

I think Perkins has leg envy from this guy. I do too. Yeah, yeah the.

Speaker 2 18:33

The funny part is like um, so that dude was doing horse steroids, and it's like come on dude. Oh, that's what the news article said. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 18:44

I mean you were very serious about your um. You have a major ego issue if you were taking horse steroids to win, like the local race race at Wheeler. That's a practice race, right Like you don't even get points for it yeah, oh my god, yeah, but I heard he got popped in Texas because he won like a state championship or something and that's banned down there. Yeah, I don't know that he's banned up here yet I don't know.

Speaker 2 19:07

Is it?

Speaker 1 19:08

locally or nationally.

Speaker 2 19:10

It depends on what the race was down in Texas. If it's a USAC one, he's banned nationally.

Speaker 1 19:16

Yeah, that's just like. I just can't imagine taking horse steroids to oh crazy.

Speaker 2 19:22

Maybe you'll come over to gravel now. Do what you want there. That's right, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 19:25

Wild West yeah, yeah, well, I'm sure he will. Yeah, try, lance, try to go to Iron man. And then they were like, wait a minute, we do those same rules. Yeah you can't do this. Yeah, yeah, I for sure, and I think a lot of, I think a lot of local people, especially, I would say, guys, more their middle-aged people who take Stuff better life.

Speaker 2 19:44

Yeah, so I don't consider that doping. No.

Speaker 1 19:47

I do think some guys take it for performance gains.

Speaker 2 19:49

Yeah, so interesting story there. I didn't know this was a thing so so Long, not long after I had all my cancer stuff. So I have to take Synthroid every day, right, because I don't have a thyroid. Well, I discovered that that because Synthroid is a synthetic hormone, mm-hmm, a lot of high-end athletes will actually attempt to use it for performance gains, and so I didn't realize this until we were doping.

Speaker 1 20:14

Yeah, it's not working for me. I want my money back on this shit. Working man, you mean mid-pack cat to mountain bike races, that's not, no, sorry, I mean you're dope and you'd be back in the pack.

Speaker 2 20:27

Maybe. Yeah, yeah, there's a. There was a book written. This Doctor decided he wanted to try and see is there is a really this much difference in if I start doping Right and these local amateur races? And he went down this path and I think he was just shooting up EPO and and his problem became, yes, he started to see, okay, this is making a big difference, mm-hmm. And then he started winning and he got addicted to the winning. I see how that could happen, uh-huh, and it was a very slippery slope, yeah, and so he wrote this book about as a fascinating read. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 21:03

Oh, what's the Documentary that was? Oh, icarus, amazing, yeah, but yeah, I mean, I totally see how it would get addicting. Yeah, I think whenever you did it in your body comp changes and your performance changes, it would suck to go back to be a normal.

Speaker 2 21:16

Yeah, I, you know it's good to have a long life.

Speaker 1 21:20

Yeah, I mean you could win a six pack of beer at Wheeler.

Speaker 2 21:26

Yeah, I guess it depends on the beer. Yeah, what's the incentive? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 21:31

What's the? What's the, what's your cost analysis there? Yeah, so tour de France, did you, did you enjoy it?

Speaker 2 21:37

I, so here's my other curveball. I enjoyed the tour de France. Mm-hmm, I enjoy the tour de France fan better really.

Speaker 1 21:45

I was the other way really, I'm normally a big fan of the women's racing, yeah, like I usually like it more because it almost seems like Classic style.

Speaker 2 21:53

Yep, because it's a shorter amount of stages, so it's like you got a throat on every day.

Speaker 1 21:58

There's well, sd works. That team is stupid. Yeah, they win. It's not even fair.

Speaker 2 22:02

Well, and it's finally. It's good to finally see all the major sponsors, and I pump and money into that right.

Speaker 1 22:07

But you have it's top-heavy yeah in the performers. So there's like 10 women, yep, but they just like throw blows. Yeah, race full blast yeah that's what I love women's racing. It's way more exciting.

Speaker 2 22:17

Yeah, the Wait. I think it was their second to last stage.

Speaker 1 22:22

It was up Tornal a it didn't get good until like stage six. Yeah, I thought the first five stages were super boring. Yes, nothing happened.

Speaker 2 22:29

Yeah, cuz you had a Demi ballerine. She ended up winning, but it was her and the other chick, lottie Kopecki. So she was originally in yellow up until that 7th stage, and then they just threw haymakers at each other up that climb. Yeah, it was bananas.

Speaker 1 22:49

Yeah, I mean really the first stage had one attack Yep, I, that was it, she cruise, because they were just sprint stages so any breakaways never made anything. They didn't even let them get like a minute up the road. It sucked, yeah, but then when he got good, the last like three stages was good.

Speaker 2 23:05

Yeah, it was impressive. It was a bit. It's kind of funny that women's racing is sort of in this early golden age that it's starting to happen for them, which is awesome, because you used to have it was just Marianne Voss would go out and dominate everything Right off the front, yeah. Not like literally like 30, 40 minutes. She's gone Right and it's like, oh, there's no fun in this, yeah, but, but now it's pick your heavy hitter in that in that world.

Speaker 1 23:30

I'm glad that they have some of the big races having a women's event, because it it just will and one of the things that I think is amazing for one, I don't know really hardly in many people I know that could even sniff staying in the Peloton in the women's race.

Speaker 1 23:44

Yeah, but then you watch, especially when they do stages that are similar to the men's stages, yeah, and you watch how they almost tip over going up some of these climbs and but you watch the guys and they just like float up them, right. I think it gives you another perspective of how.

Speaker 2 23:56

Yeah, brutal Yep, those climbs are. Yeah, and I think a lot of the men on these climbs they're intentionally trying to keep their faces very stoic, like don't give anything away, and it's like are they really suffering the women they let?

Speaker 1 24:12

it out.

Speaker 2 24:13

Oh, like those emotions are flowing out and you can clearly see oh, they are just dying right now.

Speaker 1 24:19

No, I like, I like I thought the last couple stages were really good, but yeah, I do like women's racing. Yeah, actually, usually more than the men's more often. Yep, because it's usually how the men's is getting now, where it's like just like how the top guys are just going at it. Yeah, that's how the women's race is every time, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 24:39

Which is awesome. Yep, it's getting better and better, and better, I think.

Speaker 1 24:43

The other part, the women's racing, I like they have better kids they do.

Speaker 2 24:46

The colors are so much better Yep and they're more accessible. So, I don't know if you DC Rainmaker that does the blog.

Speaker 2 24:54

So one of the things that he called out was so he lives in Paris, right, yeah, and and like the Tour de France. On the man, like you don't get anywhere near any of those people Like you're, you're barricaded away, there's no access whatsoever. On the women's, he was saying you have all the access in the world to walk right up to them, really talking to them, and they're warming up, interesting, and so it just it gets fans more engaged with them to get to know them and just more approachable right.

Speaker 1 25:23

The one thing that sucks about the watching the SD works team everyone, almost everyone on the team has a national championship jersey, so you don't know whose team they're on.

Speaker 2 25:32

Yeah, yeah, that's hard, and what will be interesting is sort of you know that that team has become a dominant. They got a, which means they're going to get more money, which means they have more money to put into it.

Speaker 2 25:43

But do they start getting broken up Because people start scooping them up, or do they become the new team Sky right, where they just that's going to be interesting to watch over the next couple of years is because some of those women are going to get some high end contracts. I have to, especially with more money coming in.

Speaker 1 25:57

Yeah, and all the men's teams having the women's teams now like they have. Yeah, there's going to be a lot more coming into. So are you going to see somebody like Yombo, who dominates on the men's side, dominated on? The women's side or is it always going to be split up?

Speaker 2 26:10

Yeah, that'll be interesting. I mean they're, they're, they're going to throw money at somebody, right, and then somebody is going to take that money and say, ok, now you got to build us around they should.

Speaker 1 26:18

They're going to get so much more exposure on the women's side, yep. It's a better return on their money, for sure in the next couple of years.

World Championships Road Race and Vanderpool's Break

Speaker 2 26:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1 26:25

Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 2 26:27

You see, you see, I worlds. Did you watch the race on Sunday?

Speaker 1 26:31

Yes, it's like four days to watch it because it's like six or seven hours long. Yeah.

Speaker 2 26:36

And I hate flow bikes of flow bike how the exclusive rights to it.

Speaker 1 26:40

So I had to re-up my subscription so I could watch this week of cycling.

Speaker 2 26:44

Oh, I had to go down the dark webs and find an illegal stream to watch it and we're watching it Sunday morning and keeps. You know it's illegal stream, so it keeps cutting out.

Speaker 1 26:53

Jennifer's like. Why is?

Speaker 2 26:54

this cutting out. What are these ads? Don't worry.

Speaker 1 26:58

Why does this guy keep walking in front of the stream?

Speaker 2 27:01

We're not paying for it, Jennifer.

Speaker 1 27:02

Yeah, I had to re-up, but what do you think of the race?

Speaker 2 27:06

I love worlds because it's sort of like. It's very much like a classic race which is my favorite I agree, and you know you had Vanderpohl, van Art, pogachar, you know, once, once it got into the city of Glasgow, you know those guys just sort of throwing at each other.

Speaker 1 27:25

It's only like what 15 guys left once it got into the city. 20 guys left once it got into the city, yeah, and then it was like a 20 guy crit.

Speaker 2 27:32

So here's your other data point. I researched, so the man's event had only 51 finishers. Oh my gosh Made it the second most punished in road race in world's history. Fifty one, yeah, fifty one finishers Now. It was pissing rain all day long as well. We dropped back on the street. Yeah, you're like it's cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 27:51

Yeah, but you could not have asked for a better final group. Oh, it's brilliant For one. Wait Well for one, we had an American that hung around for a while. Yeah, that dude is on Nielsen. He is on it right now. He's really really good yeah.

Speaker 2 28:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:04

Nice to see.

Speaker 2 28:05

And I thought if he can stick there's a chance. But I think once Boys are just different level. Yeah, once they decided with I think it was like 15 K to go 20 K, they were like OK it's time.

Speaker 1 28:15

It basically was a crit. Yeah, it was like a riot, like a warm up to the crit Yep and that. I don't know if I liked that.

Speaker 2 28:21

Well, what's what I love about that course and in in Glasgow and my my, my brothers have lived there, so I've been there quite a bit is Montrose Street, which is the climb. It's about 200 meters long. It's average about 11 percent, but it's like a 14 percent peak and you could just see like Vanderpole just nailing the efforts up that and Pogachar of all people it's like yeah, it's not, you're not going up a mountain.

Speaker 1 28:51

I thought, I thought that he was going to be the one that was going to get away.

Speaker 2 28:55

Yeah, I did too. But those sort of high efforts for 30, 45 seconds, you know, I don't know that he can sustain those repeatedly.

Speaker 1 29:05

Well, and then when they get on the flats that they just those two boys just right away from yeah and he broke a shoe too.

Speaker 2 29:10

Did you see that Van Art or not? Van Art? Vanderpole, yeah, when he wrecked, yeah.

Speaker 1 29:17

Dude, let's hold on, let's go back. Yeah, this guy wins World Championships. Yep Gets off his bike that we know of twice.

Speaker 2 29:24

Yep, yeah, the first time. Uh huh, dude had to poop.

Speaker 1 29:29

I saw you post this, but I don't know anything about it yet.

Speaker 2 29:31

In the middle of the race, so you had this. You know whatever stop oil protest that was going on.

Speaker 1 29:36

And so what happened? I fast forwarded and I missed that.

Speaker 2 29:38

So the race was halted for about 30, 45 minutes, and so Vanderpole is like man, I got to go number two, so we did it here in the stoppage, yes, ok. So walks up to somebody's door and knocks the door and is like hey, can I use your toilet?

Speaker 1 29:52

So he went to somebody's like house.

Speaker 2 29:53

Uh huh, yep Walked in and they're like, yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 29:57

Can you imagine?

Speaker 2 29:59

Yeah, oh, I'm telling you. Man Vanderpole comes into my house going hey, I need to take a poop. After he leaves, I'm getting the Ziploc bag and diving in the toilet. That thing's going on eBay, oh my.

Speaker 1 30:11

God, there is your drug testing protocol Right. Yeah, somebody come check this out. Fecal samples.

Speaker 2 30:18

Yep, it's genius, just genius.

Speaker 1 30:21

Well, I saw somebody was trying to sell the little boat that they found.

Speaker 2 30:24

Oh, were they really.

Speaker 1 30:25

Somebody find it. Somebody found it and it was being auctioned on eBay.

Speaker 2 30:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1 30:29

Was what I saw.

Speaker 2 30:30

I don't know if it was real, but that was what I saw.

Speaker 1 30:32

But the dude Rex gets up still wins by like two minutes or something Like it wasn't even close.

Speaker 2 30:37

The other fun part of like those streets are just they're. They're terribly maintained and they're also super slick to begin with, and then you add rain on top of them. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 30:48

I can't believe there wasn't more carnage.

Speaker 2 30:49

Yeah, I mean, the way they were cornering was just super impressive. But man, there's a whole lot of well. I'm going to trust these tires.

Speaker 1 30:57

I hope they hold. I wouldn't trust mountain bike tires around like that stuff.

Speaker 2 31:00

They were yeah.

Speaker 1 31:01

I thought it was a great race. I like worlds, I like one day races, so yeah, and they couldn't have asked for a better podium. I mean maybe the greatest. I don't know how you get a better podium ever.

Speaker 2 31:11

I saw a picture from I think it was 2011, where it was a Vinerpole and Van Art on a junior's world podium together and it was the same order yeah.

Speaker 1 31:21

Yeah, I mean, those two boys are going to battle in everything for a long time. Yeah, the cool thing is is Van Art Pools racing the mountain bike world. So he didn't do. This will come out after everybody sees it, but he did not. He was on the start list for the short track and didn't do it.

Speaker 2 31:36

He didn't, but he's going to do the.

Speaker 1 31:39

XCO. The XCO Sagan did short track, did he really? And Pitcock did short track. Pitcock got third. I think he got third. Yeah, he got third. But Nino didn't do short track. He's going to do that, he's going to win XCO? I hope so. I love that too. Yeah, I love everything about him.

Speaker 2 31:56

He just has the technical abilities to leave those. Those other dudes have got a crap ton of power, mm hmm. But Nino has the technical.

Speaker 1 32:03

He just rides so hard, yep For so long, yep.

Speaker 2 32:06

And if it's, if it's wet and muddy there, that's his world. Yeah, I hope it is. I hope they get some weather on them.

Speaker 1 32:11

Yeah, the, but it was. And if so, if you haven't watched it and you want to go back and watch the relay or the replay, the women's race is phenomenal. The men's race was phenomenal. In the short track it comes down to the very last lap. Does it really? Both of them? Yeah, so if you are going to watch it, I won't spoil it, but the other race that I've never watched before was the team relay.

Speaker 2 32:35

Oh yeah, my team relay.

Speaker 1 32:36

Is it a four person team, six person, six, so you have an under 18, you 23 and an elite Wow and women of each, but you can send them out in any order you want. Yeah, so when I was watching I was like what's the best order to try to send your best person to get a lead?

Speaker 2 32:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 32:50

Or maybe do you send your slow person and then your next people have clear because they're not going to be caught in traffic. Yeah, I don't know, but you see what the rest one is. You'll, you, you'll see.

Speaker 2 33:01

So, speaking of relay six degrees, of Kevin Bacon as well, you and Drummond last week talking about the do Athlon at Draper, the off road one, right? So I did that as a team with my son at the time and I did not run and I'm not running this. So it was like, hey, I need you to go run this and just run it really fast. And so we did Draper and it's a run bike run. So at that time he was running cross country in school. So he comes out of the trees like minutes ahead of everybody else and I'm like, yes, and I just go in and sort of coast through it. And then I come back out and he's sitting there eating a bag of Cheetos and I'm like, dude, you got to run again. And he's like what?

Discussing Leadville and Gravel Cycling

Speaker 1 33:50

Oh no, you got to run twice. Oh, he's like this sucks.

Speaker 2 33:53

Yeah, he had his tennis shoes off and he had just like a pair of pair of vans on, so he jumps into the trail in the van.

Speaker 1 34:00

On his van. Oh my, Did you all win.

Speaker 2 34:02

Oh yeah, by quarter ways, but yeah the same year that German did it. And the same year that you and Troy because, the road was the next day because we were supposed to go do that and I was like man, I'm not going to be bailed, Yep.

Speaker 1 34:14

Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't walk or I would have, because the only chance I had to be Troy. That's awesome. I still hear that.

Speaker 2 34:20

I hate that.

Speaker 1 34:20

Oh man, that's funny. But so you beat drumming out of the trees in the mountain bike because my kid no no.

Speaker 2 34:29

Oh, this is true. Yeah, beat drumming once again, again, yeah.

Speaker 1 34:32

Yeah, he can't keep up, he can't Well. So what I'm hearing is essentially you are the national champion. This is true. Let's go with that.

Speaker 2 34:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:42

Congratulations. Thanks, let's see. So we had Tour de France, we had UCI Worlds. Oh, we have some big events coming up. Yep, in the knobby tire world, leadville. Leadville is this week and we're recording this on the 10th. This is going to come out on the 15th, so Leadville will have happened, yep, and I tried to do research and then I left that. But at the house, leadville is a part of the Lifetime series, so don't get me started, yeah. You've been snubbed once again, yeah.

Speaker 2 35:14

Don't? Well, they knew you were a national champion. This is true. Yeah, I'm doing a resume.

Speaker 1 35:18

The. What do you think about Leadville? Have you done?

Speaker 2 35:20

Leadville, done the hundred twice and done the 50 once. I think the 50 is harder than the hundred.

Speaker 1 35:27

Is it the same course, just turned on sooner?

Speaker 2 35:29

No, it's a little bit different and it's steeper.

Speaker 1 35:35

It is more technical, it's all single track, so you don't have the big road sections you have one road section.

Speaker 2 35:42

That's a maybe a two, three mile descent, ok, and then you climb back in single track and so, but it is, I think the 50, the silver rush is harder than the hundred, because the hundred is like you're basically going to go as fast as the people around you are Right, because that's the limiting factor in the hundred. You're stuck in a group until you hit double tracks or road Gotcha, and then you have to pin it to get around them, but everybody else is pinning it too, right. So now you're sitting in a group.

Speaker 1 36:10

Well, I saw that one of the pros is running drop bars on his heart.

Speaker 2 36:14

Dylan Johnson yeah, I saw that today. That tells you how untechnical, it is Right and his point is exactly right of I'm going to gain more time in the other areas of a drop bar. Be more arrow, yep, and I'm not going to lose much time on what technical stuff there is Interesting. Yeah, be interesting See how he does. Yeah, it's honestly the thing about Leadville that that kills people like us is the altitude. Yeah, it just does. It's just.

Speaker 1 36:38

There's nothing you can do about it. Not a thing, mm. Hmm, I'm going to do a race in Colorado Springs in September, a three day race and pulled it up and looked to see who's registered, I'm like oh man, there's only 10 people in my age group Sweet. Maybe I could do something decent. And then I noticed that I'm the only one not from Colorado.

Speaker 2 36:55

So now the goal is not finished last.

Speaker 1 36:57

Yeah, don't be laughing, I need some people from like Kentucky or like Louisiana to go. Yeah, yeah, because this flat later is going to really struggle at altitude. Brilliant, yeah. So, leadville, would you do it again?

Speaker 2 37:11

No.

Speaker 1 37:11

Yeah, I have no interest in it. No, I just I don't like altitude, like that kind of altitude.

Speaker 2 37:16

Yeah, I mean, when I did the first two, it was sort of a grassroots thing back then, which was cool. This was prior to lifetime and, and you know, the entry fee was 50 bucks.

Speaker 1 37:26

It's not $50 anymore, what is not now like 500. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 37:31

And that's I mean, I get it's a corporate thing, it's very iron manning.

Speaker 1 37:36

All right, just part of it.

Speaker 2 37:37

Yep yeah, but it's that whole pay to play model Like that's very exclusive, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 37:45

That's I just don't have an interest in. I say this after I'm going to go do something stupid, but the just one long, miserable day at altitude like that right. Just doesn't yeah.

Speaker 2 37:56

It's just not.

Speaker 1 37:56

I can't say I would never do it. Right now it does not interest me, not even a little bit yeah.

Speaker 2 38:01

I think of the one thing up there that sort of peaks. My interest now is the stage race version of it, where they break up the 100 mock course, I think it's, into four stages.

Speaker 1 38:10

Really Three stages.

Speaker 2 38:11

When does that happen? It happened three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 38:14

Oh yeah, what's that called you?

Speaker 2 38:15

know the Leadville stage race series Interesting? Yeah, Because that would be. You do between 30 and 40 miles each day.

Speaker 1 38:23

Fun. Yeah, that's kind of what the race is on Colorado Springs Is it really, yeah, every day is like 30 to 30 miles, 35 miles, yeah, yeah, it's just, it seems more enjoyable Nice, but, yeah, none of the smokies going up to do it. So good luck to all of them. And we got gravel worlds. Gravel worlds is coming up in Lincoln, it's come, yeah, that one's coming up. And then steamboat and USA Cycling. Gravel Nationals is coming up.

Speaker 2 38:49

Oh, yeah, next two weeks, next week or two weeks, I remember two weeks Somewhere in there.

Speaker 1 38:54

Yeah, but that's a new event.

Speaker 2 38:57

USA Cycling's trying. That's all I can say.

Speaker 1 38:59

They're trying Well how do you feel about that? You think it's not UCI gravel, which is a joke, right, but do you feel the USA Cycling Gravel is the same way, or?

Speaker 2 39:08

So when they first put that event out, their entry fee was 250 bucks. I looked a couple of weeks ago it's not 175 bucks, oh shut up, so I'm guessing participation is not pretty.

Speaker 1 39:20

I'm low. Yeah, and it's in Nebraska. I think it's the week before gravel worlds, yeah. I think it's in between steamboat and gravel worlds or somewhere around there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 39:30

Last year for UCI gravel worlds, they did a qualifier event in Arkansas and like literally nobody showed up, and so you had these in the Master's Age group, which is really 40, 49 and 50 plus. You had these dudes show up and steal Surleys and plaid shirts.

Speaker 1 39:52

Oh my gosh, they were the only people registered. So they all qualified for worlds and they went to Italy.

Speaker 2 39:57

Good for them Good for them.

Speaker 1 39:59

Show them what real grapple's about In.

Speaker 2 40:03

USA Cycling.

Speaker 1 40:04

Oh my God, that's hilarious, that's awesome, oh man. So do you agree with that? Do you agree that USA Cycling?

Speaker 2 40:11

Yeah, they have to do something, but they're so far behind right now, I think as long as they just keep it chill, then it's cool.

Speaker 1 40:18

Yeah, well, that's a topic we need to add to the list is the spirit of gravel, but that's another name, yeah.

Speaker 2 40:25

The spirit of gravel is mountain biking.

Speaker 1 40:27

There you go and steamboat's coming up.

Speaker 2 40:30

Steamboat is coming up, yeah.

Speaker 1 40:31

You did steamboat. Done it three times, four times Going this year.

Speaker 2 40:36

I am going, but I didn't get in in the lottery, and so I messaged them and sort of gave them grief about it and heard back oh yeah, yeah, we'll get you taken care of. So I get an email from bike regs that I'm registered for steamboat, not thinking anything of it, and then a few days later I'm like I need to go read that. So what they did is on Friday night they have a two and a half mile hill climb race for the pros only the pros plus me.

Speaker 1 41:04

So I'm like OK, asshole, you want to. You want to push our buttons, yeah.

Speaker 2 41:09

So I'm racing Nicholas Rowe, chelexy, remulan, valtteri Bottas, all these sort of it's two and a half miles Two and a half miles, 10 and a half percent grade For two and a half miles.

Speaker 1 41:20

Yeah, so how long do you think is it? And it's all in gravel.

Speaker 2 41:23

It's all in gravel, so they'll do it in 20 something.

Speaker 1 41:27

Everything like that long.

Speaker 2 41:29

Yeah, low 20s.

Speaker 1 41:30

OK, let's just say it takes them 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 41:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 41:33

How long will it take you? If we think that, if we think the winning time is 20 minutes, can you be within 50 percent? 40 minutes, 45. You think you'll take you that long.

Speaker 2 41:44

No.

Speaker 1 41:44

No, if there are 20, do you think you can do it in 30? Damn it Like 50 percent more.

Speaker 2 41:48

I think I can do it between 30 and 35 minutes.

Speaker 1 41:52

OK yeah, my over under bet with you is 50 percent of the winner's time.

Speaker 2 41:57

OK.

Speaker 1 41:57

So if there are 20, you got to do it in 30. We'll shoot for that, ok.

Speaker 2 42:01

What's the bet going to be Not sure yet. Ok, we'll determine that later.

Speaker 1 42:04

We'll have to figure that out, ok, but OK, that's your, that's your goal, but there is a contest that you could win there, there is a best dressed costume, a fancy dress costume. I can't see the hardcore pros.

Speaker 2 42:17

They are not dressing up for that race.

Speaker 1 42:19

Do you know what you're going to wear?

Speaker 2 42:21

We're on the fence as to what to do. One of them is sort of gravel pope theme, very truffle shuffly. The other one is to go, as so Valtteri Bottas is the. F1 racer to actually show up as him in an Alfa Romeo jersey and an F1 helmet.

Speaker 1 42:39

I think that sounds better.

Speaker 2 42:40

I do too.

Speaker 1 42:41

Yeah, because then you probably get him to sign it and take picture with you and never be funny. Yeah, yeah, I go on up Somehow you almost need to do like the tour to beer stuff that they have here in Oklahoma. City and then decorate your bike like a car.

Speaker 2 42:52

F1 car that's how you do it and have like a spoiler on my helmet, yeah, yeah rear wing.

Speaker 1 42:56

You better get to work. Yeah, that would be amazing. All right, anybody out there that can help Alan make his bike look like?

Speaker 2 43:02

a race car, f1 car, mm, hmm, yeah, yeah, chime, in, yeah.

Speaker 1 43:05

Uh, for races. Is there anything else you want to talk about there?

Speaker 2 43:08

Uh, talk about our local one. Well, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 43:10

Okay, the one last race that we want to hit on is Wheeler is changing in September, so what. Yeah, I know, and you're going to like this because it's dirt, oh, I'll be tired. Even better, let's do it, yeah, so, um, the traditional races will happen through August. In September they are going to change it to it's S, g, s, t, g, c, x which stands for, he told me, short track gravel.

Speaker 2 43:38

Cycle yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cyclocross Racing and Road Cycling Trends

Speaker 1 43:40

So, uh, the way that it's going to work is going to be. It's going to be over kind of by the Ferris wheel and in the middle of the grass here where the old Crip course used to be. They've mowed it. They're going to go figure out the course this next week or so, but it will have everything that gives advantage to a mountain biker, a gravel biker and a cross racer. Awesome, Everybody's going to have a strength and everybody's going to have a weakness.

Speaker 2 44:02

Yeah, so you said 2014 was the last time 2014, 2015.

Speaker 1 44:07

They did something like this, yeah.

Speaker 2 44:08

Cause I remember a long time ago, so it was 24.

Speaker 1 44:12

Hmm.

Speaker 2 44:12

That'd be about eight, nine years ago. Um, they did a dirt crit sort of down there and we had Mount Wheeler which was this big pile of dirt. I remember that and and it was impossible to get up that thing. I remember that thing, yeah.

Speaker 1 44:25

But it was awesome. Totally forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. I think it's going to bring back the spirit of that, yeah, the history of that Awesome. So if you were a dirt bag rider and or just want to go have fun and you don't like racing on concrete, which I love, watching the crits, I have no interest in them because I'm scared to wreck. Yep, this is doable.

Speaker 2 44:46

Yeah, unlivable, yeah. So I think it'll bring out a different cry to folks, which is so yeah.

Speaker 1 44:51

Anna will probably be more heckling. Yes, it needs to be the cyclocross spirit of the heckles and the screwing up people and yelling at them. And beer handups, yes, lots of beer handups.

Speaker 2 45:00

Yep, yeah, it's going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 45:02

I think so too. So that starts in September. So I think it'll be three or four of them, ten bucks each. All in, come play, come enjoy it. Yep. Worst case, come heckle. Because if you've never been to a true cyclocross race, as a fan and spectator, that's the best heckling sport. There is the best.

Speaker 2 45:20

It's the best heckling sport there is. Because, even if you're quiet.

Speaker 1 45:23

you can just sit there and listen to people get ripped to shreds, Yep. So I kind of want to do these. I kind of don't want to put myself into that position because I know I'm going to get ripped the whole time.

Speaker 2 45:32

Way. So this is again. I'm old way back when. So cross scene in Oklahoma used to be huge. Right, it's still, it's there in Tulsa. It's not as vibrant as it used to be and it's definitely not here in Oklahoma City, I agree. But we used to do all the races. Ruts and guts used to be the big one. I'll never forget at racing at ruts and guts and I was terrible at cross.

Speaker 1 45:56

It's so hard. Oh, it's just so hard.

Speaker 2 45:58

Your red line. You know you can't see straight. And so we're racing along and huge groups, and there's a guy up in front of me trying to chase him down and I kept looking up and and it looked like there was something not right with his right leg and I couldn't figure it out. Couldn't figure it out. You come around the corner and this little sort of drop in and climb out. People start yelling at me that you're getting beat by a guy with one leg and the dude legit one leg he had the metal thing, like the prosthetic, prosthetic, just clipped in.

Speaker 1 46:36

So how did he mount and dismount his bike? He wrote it, he just bunny hopped it.

Speaker 2 46:42

Yep Damn, and that's where he was Gavin me.

Speaker 1 46:45

You think you know, oh, I was so bad at it, oh, but yeah, cross can be very humiliating.

Speaker 1 46:51

That's, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, I have a story like that and I told, I told him he's a local guy that does multi sport and he's he's lost a lower leg in motorcycle accident. And I remember when I first started I went to a swim and I saw him and I said and I was like, ok, I had no idea what I was doing and I was like I got to beat this guy, yeah, and so we get started swimming and we get done, and I'll be damned if he wasn't sitting on the bank waiting for you.

Speaker 1 47:15

I was like I'm just got and then and now I've gotten to know him and he's like a really fast swimmer yeah. I don't feel so bad now, but I told him that story and he loved it. He thought it was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, just brilliant. Yeah, so I've been there. I've been beaten by one like a man myself. All right, so do you want to go to the thoughts on section and pick one or two of those?

Speaker 1 47:37

Oh, let's do that you want to go, you want to just pick one or two. What do you think? We have a wide variety on our list here.

Speaker 2 47:43

Let's do. Thoughts on section water packs on the road. Oh OK, good one, Put your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 47:50

I think it's hilarious that it's cool now.

Speaker 2 47:54

I do too For road ride, especially road riding right. You have more than enough places where, if you run out of water, I can pull into and refill my bottles, and you can carry three bottles on you easily, right?

Speaker 1 48:07

Yes, yes, yep, but it's super cool now.

Speaker 2 48:13

And I'm one of those I bought into the. I Will Wear a Hydration Pack, especially in the summer on the road, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 48:20

What's so funny is when I was a total newbie and didn't mount biking, yeah, and I was so scared to take my hands off the bars, you had the camel back.

Speaker 1 48:28

Yeah, I had the camel back on and I'd show up to the race and Troy Boy and Be Money and all those guys, they'd all give me crap. Yep, and it was a ride of passage to just give me crap because I was a newbie, I get it. I'm like, why do you carry all that? You just need one bottle, like, or just. I'm like, no, I'm not taking my hands off the bars. Yeah, if.

Speaker 2 48:44

I want to drink.

Speaker 1 48:45

I have to have it. So I got so much crap back then. Well, then people started doing it on gravel, because you may not see it.

Speaker 2 48:52

You're in the middle of nowhere man, so I get it.

Speaker 1 48:54

But now you look at people's group ride pictures and they've got half the group has water packs on half of them running.

Speaker 2 49:01

What the heck these ways?

Speaker 1 49:02

Yeah, yeah, what is it Because it came over from gravel?

Speaker 2 49:06

I think so, and it's just an easy way to get more water.

Speaker 1 49:09

But but it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 49:11

You've got nine million places to get water.

Speaker 1 49:13

And if you would have showed up with a water pack on.

Speaker 2 49:16

Oh, you to get laughed. Oh, three years ago.

Speaker 1 49:19

Yeah, they. They would have never let you live that.

Speaker 2 49:21

Yeah, what's funny is I won't wear one mountain biking. I can't explain it, why, I don't know it's a thing of I don't know if it's just on technical courses. I don't like having it on my back, but I will not wear one racing mountain bikes but you'll wear one on your road bike. And I'm gravel.

Speaker 1 49:39

My gosh.

Speaker 2 49:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1 49:41

I've worn one in all places and I bought a hip pack that I like better. Yeah, for mountain biking, because I get it's too hot on my back. Yeah, and when someone saw my hip, you don't really feel it moving you around at all. Yeah, getting to the oh, I got a new thing that I'm rigging up with like a I saw somebody else had it you know like a retractable thing for, like, your keys. Oh, yeah, for the hose, so that way you don't have to try to clip it back in, you just like let it go and I'm like that's brilliant. So I'm rigging that up right now. But hip pack I like better than the backpack Nice, but come on, yeah, who who decided that it's cool now?

Speaker 2 50:17

Spirit of gravel, man. Spirit of gravel it's leaked over, it has Mount. Spirit of mountain biking is leaked in the gravel, leaked in the road, yeah.

Speaker 1 50:24

Basically, it all comes back to mountain biking Still the coolest. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing.

Speaker 2 50:28

OK, next thoughts on sleeveless jersey. Where did this one come from?

Speaker 1 50:33

Well, is this you? This came from me.

Speaker 2 50:36

Oh, I thought it was after you talked to Waddell and interviewed him. No, he's a king of sleeveless jerseys.

Speaker 1 50:42

So when Waddell's always done it, yeah, so I give him that right. And he doesn't have. He doesn't have typical roadie arms.

Speaker 2 50:49

No, he doesn't, that is true, he's not like jacked up, but he's not roadie arms.

Speaker 1 50:54

So he's in the middle, he's normal, he's done it as long as I've ever known Waddell. Yeah, so I'm not surprised to see that. What brought it up is we. I did chicken and pickle a couple of weeks ago and there's a guy that rides in the back that never stops talking. Huh, who's that? I think he's one of your buddies. But if I said on the chicken and pickle ride, who is the loudest peanut gallery in the very back other than Perkins? Yeah, who never stops talking and always has a comment to make, oh, billy. Yeah, billy was Billy sleeveless, billy sleeveless. What a dick. He shit. Well, and they were. That's what they looked like, because they were so like little skinny little things. You definitely, definitely needs to go to the gym. Billy does not have the arms to go sleeveless. Billy does not have the arms go sleeveless.

Speaker 2 51:38

So if you go on, sleeveless.

Speaker 1 51:40

have the arms Billy's? I don't think Billy's sleeves are even tight whenever he has.

Speaker 2 51:45

Yeah Right, and he wears an extra small.

Speaker 1 51:49

Yeah. So when Billy showed up with it, I was like here's another one. Yeah, If I showed up five years ago in a tri kit.

Speaker 2 51:56

Oh yeah, don't do that, Don't do that.

Speaker 1 51:59

It's no different than a sleeveless jersey. It was made that way.

Speaker 2 52:02

It's the socks conversation, right, and that is one of our topics as well.

Speaker 1 52:07

So I think yeah, so how do you? I'm, if you want to wear sleeveless, I think it's fine, I think it's hilarious, but I'm going to say you need to have got to have the arms.

Speaker 2 52:17

You cannot have cyclist arms. Yeah, no it cannot be flapping around there.

Speaker 1 52:21

No, you can't have flaps that's holding you back and you can't have too little olive oil toothpicks sticking out, no, like like Billy does. Yeah, that's what he gets for talking so much in the back, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 52:33

Podium at he is riding really strong right now.

Speaker 1 52:38

He is podium, that Wheeler this week, so yeah, he's single speeding at its steamboat oh nice.

Speaker 2 52:44

And he has a legit shot at a podium up there, yeah he's gotten really strong. He has.

Speaker 1 52:49

He's put in the work. So good luck to to Billy at Steamboat, even though hopefully he'll wear sleeves there.

Speaker 2 52:54

We'll make sure he does, thank you.

Speaker 1 52:55

Yeah, do you want to pick one more? Do you want to move on to rating the group? Oh, we're going to rate group rides. Let's do a couple of. Let's rate a couple of group. So here was our homework Was to go ride some group rides and we're going to start rating them. We didn't come up with a rating system.

Speaker 2 53:11

We didn't. We thought Yelp and then we thought five stars and you lose a star for each student Do?

Speaker 1 53:16

like rate on a I don't know like chainrings or beers or six pack. Yeah.

Speaker 2 53:23

And what we should do is we should go in. Every time there's a ride posted on ride alert, we should go in and rate it. Oh yeah, and this will put emojis. This will probably make people really like this show up at ride coming back to bite us in the ass.

Speaker 1 53:38

People are really going to be excited about it and I will probably get. We will probably get comments about like you're an asshole. That's my group ride. I lead that Uh huh. Yep, you're being a jerk, yep, but I will give my honest experience feedback from these and it may just be that night that I was there, yeah, but I will give my honest feedback.

Speaker 1 53:57

Awesome. So our homework was to go do some group rides and then we'll just talk about them. So we're going to rate a couple of them I don't know how many. We got a list of one, two, three, four, five six or seven as I've run out, yeah. And this list will continue to grow as we have time to do more and more Yep.

Speaker 2 54:11

So which you can start with the elephant in the room and chicken and pickle. Since I'm technically quote a leader and I put that in.

Speaker 1 54:21

I think we found our first problem.

Speaker 2 54:22

What's that? I'm a leader. There you go. Yeah, that is the problem. Yeah, I can't lead from the back, can you?

Speaker 1 54:28

That. I do see that being a bit of a hindrance. Yeah, we were there this week, yeah.

Speaker 2 54:34

That was a circus. We also had a kind of 46 people.

Speaker 1 54:37

Oh yeah, I was going to stay close to 60, because there's only so much you can do when you have a massive group.

Speaker 2 54:42

It just is one of those On the hills. They're just going to string the group out. Yeah, yeah, when you have a massive group.

Speaker 1 54:47

there's going to be hiccups, for sure, and there's a lot of inexperienced riders on that ride. Yeah, and there's something I wanted to add in at the end of this conversation was about the basics for group rides, yeah. So yeah, I would say, when I first started doing chicken and pickle don't do it every week. When I first started, it was the best group ride I've ever done.

Speaker 2 55:06

You're welcome, and that's when Stacey was there running. Oh OK.

Speaker 1 55:11

But I thought it was so good because it was exactly as advertised. It was supposed to be 18 ish, I think. I average like 17, nine that week or in the next week. It was like 18 one Like it was always right on track. Yep, everybody was pulling correctly at the front, everybody rotated through like they should. Yeah, the hills weren't surging Like. It was just exactly what it should be. There was no egos involved, it was just a really fun group ride. Yeah, most of the time that's how it's always been. So overall experience with chicken and pickle all the times I've done it 100% five star. Well, we'll give it a B. We'll grade it a B. I would say I've had B at best experiences on chicken and pickle. There you go Two of them, yeah.

Speaker 1 55:53

I've had two bad experiences.

Speaker 2 55:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1 55:55

The other ones were all A pluses.

Speaker 2 55:57

I think we're going to run it for, I believe, a few more weeks and then we're actually going to switch over to gravel. Oh, so we'll do. We used to do Wednesday night gravel group rides, okay, and it was really really cool, and so we've been sort of messing with those on Wednesday night side of the lockerage.

Speaker 1 56:11

So the Monday will go away and then it'll start on Wednesday. Yeah, okay, yep, and is that going to start? Probably September, september. Yeah so just stay on to the Wheeler dealer bicycle and they'll be posted. Yeah, and we'll stick it on ride alert. Okay, yeah, I'll share it on ours too, yeah.

Speaker 2 56:27

And when we've got a couple of routes that we'll do for, like we did it last night and it's beautiful, I thought way handles rain very well. Good, but it's not a, you know, it's not an 18 19 mile an hour gravel ride, it is a legit. Okay, we're doing 14 16 right which is probably comparable to effort. Yeah, on for sort of 18 on the road.

Speaker 1 56:48

Yeah, probably close to Yep yeah. So I would say most of the time chicken pickle is an A for me, or a full six pack. Nice, I would say, I've had experiences where I've had a three out of six six pack.

Speaker 2 57:00

Yeah, I think a lot of it is who shows up? Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 57:03

Yeah, for sure, yep, and one, stacy's not there. Yes, because Stacy keeps everybody in line at the front, which that helps a ton when you have an, when you especially, the bigger the group gets, when you have more leaders spread out through the entire group, yep, that just, it just makes it manageable. Yeah, when you have 50 people, that's just it's as opposed to the peanut gallery at the back. Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah, that peanut gallery gets bigger and louder.

Speaker 2 57:26

We should charge admission for the peanut gallery. We really should. You want to go back to where you're going to pay?

Speaker 1 57:31

It's a billion Perkins back there.

Speaker 2 57:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 57:33

It's just a lot of talking, yeah, mm. Hmm, let's see you want to pick another group ride, hmm. Let's pick a dirt one. Ooh. So I'm going to go do the skip crit, not a crit Crit dirt thing tonight. I've done it once before this year and it was. It is what it is. But let's talk about party laps at bluff.

Speaker 2 57:55

Have you done that yet? I have not. So we used to run the old bluff dirt crits. Is it the same thing?

Speaker 1 58:01

Not even close. Oh really, that's what I was expecting and what I was hoping. Yeah, I did it last week and I got out there early to work on my drumming skills Right, I'm handling, which is that they're terrible and so I got through it, and then the fire road is how it was going to come back.

Speaker 2 58:18

I did like the twisty stuff at first and then you pop out and I was like I was right back up.

Speaker 1 58:23

Nobody was there yet. Well, riding back up that fire road is like completely grown over and I was like I'm not going back through that again. So then I couldn't find my way A shortcut to get out of the trail quick enough, so I missed the start 100% my fault. Yeah, I'm an idiot. But when I got back to it, there was a woman stand there who was part of the group and I was like hey, when did they go? And she's like oh, about five minutes ago, you can catch them. And I was like five minutes, that's a long time.

Speaker 2 58:47

I was like well, that's a lap at bluff. Yeah, Well, that's what I said.

Speaker 1 58:51

I was like well, I'll just wait and they'll come back through, I'll just jump on when they come through. She's like well, probably be like an hour before they come back, and I was like huh. So they just ride like the whole thing.

Speaker 2 58:59

She's like yeah, I'm like oh, that's not what I signed up for.

Speaker 1 59:04

So if you're there at the start, you're good. It's probably a great great event. I don't know because I'm an idiot, but I was bummed that they just do one big lap and it's not like more of a crit style or dirt crit where they got like five or six short laps or whatever, because that's the way the skip Right Thursday night ride is yeah.

Speaker 2 59:22

So the skip one was based on the old bluff Creek dirt crits and that was sort of a short lap. Yeah, it was like hard and hard as you can and you know, blow yourself up.

Speaker 1 59:32

Yeah, the the skip thing is like five, eight minutes, super, not technical. Yeah, ride your own speed, stop when you want to stop, go when you want to go. Yeah, just have fun. So, yeah. So I don't really have a way to rate the party laps because I did not do them, but I was a little bummed that it was not what I thought it was going to be. Totally my fault, yeah, not their fault at all.

Speaker 2 59:52

So so our plan is we're going to get out to other group rides over the coming weeks and we will rate your group ride.

Speaker 1 59:58

Yeah, do you have something?

Speaker 2 59:59

that you're going to go to. Yeah, okay, yeah, but I'm not saying Okay, we're just showing up incognito. Oh, I like it, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:00:05

Yeah, so so far, chicken and pickle I would give. All in all, I'm giving it a six pack. Phew, okay, yeah, um, party laps to be determined, because I'm an idiot and skip. I would give a six pack because you make what you want to make out of it and a short lapse and it's fun and someone's complete newbie or somebody that's trying to be a top in Kat 1 can go there and race other people and have a good time.

Speaker 1 1:00:27

So those are those are my, my three for this week, okay, um now we have these we put out on Instagram. Hey, give us things you want us to talk about on the world responded this is what we're going to wrap up every episode with yes, and we're thinking that the name of this segment is like topics with dumb and dumber, questions with dumb and dumber, yes, and you guys can figure out who is dumb and who's dumber. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:54

So, and you guys ask these questions, thinking there's no way they'll talk about this stuff, and we said oh, just wait.

Speaker 1 1:01:02

So I don't even we can't go through all these tonight because it would take way to many like.

Chamois Application and Non-Binary Gravel

Speaker 2 1:01:06

the amount of topics that came in is just off the chart, so we'll go through a handful of yeah, and this will be a continually growing list and we can go from there which you pick which, okay, I will pick one for you. Okay, uh, what is the proper shammy butter application technique First off? So let me ask do you put it on your actual shammy?

Speaker 1 1:01:33

No, oh, okay, I put it on the body, okay, where? Good way to put that when I'm gonna get my spots because I have a distinct side, yeah, distinct crease where.

Speaker 2 1:01:46

I'm going to get a spot.

Speaker 1 1:01:47

So there you go, and so that's, that's number one. Yep, so then whatever said so gross. So then, what's left over on my finger, I rub on the path. So one or two fingers, two finger, oh okay, I mean I feel like that gives you more area to cover.

Speaker 2 1:02:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:02:11

So yeah, and I'm definitely a put in specific area kind of rub that in.

Speaker 2 1:02:18

Hmm.

Speaker 1 1:02:19

Wipe the fingers on the shammy. Good call, good call. Make sure you're using the shammy cream, yeah, or shammy butter, or whatever brand you want to use, but, yeah, yeah, don't make a mistake and use what's that warming stuff.

Speaker 2 1:02:30

So I made that mistake, shut up Bad alchemy at a cross race years ago. Oh, I put mad alchemy on my shammy. No, yeah, keeps you warm.

Speaker 1 1:02:43

And then you can't get it wet because it makes it worse.

Speaker 2 1:02:45

And what do you start doing? You start sweating and get so wet, shut your mouth.

Speaker 1 1:02:49

Yes, I'm like why?

Speaker 2 1:02:50

are my twig and giggleberries getting awfully sort of hot? My God, don't confuse us. First time I ever used that stuff was that. Mad alchemy. Yeah, I don't even know what brand it was, yeah warming stuff. I don't know what the actual yeah, there's actual name. Yeah, whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 1:03:04

Yeah, anyways, it's like lotion you put it on in the winter time and it warms. It activates with water.

Speaker 2 1:03:10

Yeah right.

Speaker 1 1:03:11

Keep your warm Makes the skin feel warm. Yep, I used it for the first time at a cycling camp that I went to. I think it was like team undiscovered cycling camp, yeah, and it worked and I was like this is amazing. Well, I didn't feel it anymore. So then I got, when I got in the shower, but I had put it like all over my back and there because I didn't, I had no idea. Yeah, I got in the shower and it ran down to all the areas.

Speaker 2 1:03:32

You're like oh you scream, oh my gosh, it's bad.

Speaker 1 1:03:36

It's not good. So how do you put on chamois butter?

Speaker 2 1:03:38

I put it on the chamois. That's where it's supposed to go, although I do put some extra up inside the Finish that, yeah, it's you got to get it everywhere.

Speaker 1 1:03:47

Inside what.

Speaker 2 1:03:48

Yeah, exactly, you got to like you've got to get the front of the chamois and the back.

Speaker 1 1:03:55

That's the key you kind of see, put, like the like, a whole tube on you. I put a lot.

Speaker 2 1:03:59

Yeah, how, how raw you your Euro style to there's a Euro style chamois butter.

Speaker 1 1:04:04

What's the difference? I don't know, but has like the menthol in it.

Speaker 2 1:04:07

I think so. I think you just put that on like around the office. Yeah, these are terrible questions. All right, one for you.

Speaker 1 1:04:15

Okay, let's see some of our serious what's not, oh this is a hot topic. Okay, what is your opinion on the? Well, now it's, it's really hot and heavy in the gravel scene more than anywhere else. The non binary category and gravel, oh what? Go ahead, I'll answer that.

Speaker 2 1:04:35

I am not answering that question. No, feel free, just go ahead. I have consulted attorneys and being advised not to answer that question.

Speaker 1 1:04:43

Yeah, when that topic came through and you brought it up to me when I saw you you're like oh, it's not like, nope, I have, I am not qualified and or expert. This is one of those. So, in all seriousness, I can't believe I'm going to answer this. You're a dumbass. I'd stay away. Dumb and dumber, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 1:04:59

In all seriousness, this is one of those where, if you look at it from different people's point of views, everybody's right. That's the problem, and that's the problem. That's 100% spru Everybody is right based on what their view and belief is. For sure, Right and and in a world of well, I need a dividing line.

Speaker 1 1:05:19

Oh, and I am being a straight white male. Yep, I have my opinion on this topic. Yeah, it's not valid.

Speaker 2 1:05:30

Right, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 1:05:32

Yeah, I mean, I can have discussions about it and I've had some discussions about it with people on both sides of it, yeah, with female athletes and their opinions on it, and when I was doing fits, I had a really interesting conversation. Actually, one of my final fit appointments that I ever did was a trans athlete, yeah, and I asked her. I was like okay, I don't know, like educate me, yeah, and so it was a very interesting conversation, fascinating, and I just I have opinions on both sides.

Speaker 2 1:06:00

Yeah, and that's the thing. And I don't know you. You know, again, I'm speaking as a straight white male, right Of you know, I talked to many sides in this discussion and everybody is right. That's the problem, and that's the problem.

Speaker 1 1:06:16

Everybody's right and everybody's wrong, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:06:18

And, and, and there has to be I mean there has to be. You know discussions ongoing about it, right, and, and you know, maybe one day we'll figure it out and I'll come to a compromise or an agreement, but we're nowhere close to it.

Speaker 1 1:06:32

No, I would say that I've learned a ton that I would have never learned if this conversation wouldn't have happened. Yep, so that's a great thing, yeah, but I don't. I don't think that there's a right answer, not right now.

Speaker 2 1:06:42

Yeah, no, I think again we go back to what we talked about at the very start. If money was not involved, this would be a non-issue. If money, prize money was not involved, it would be a non-issue.

Speaker 1 1:06:53

Yeah, it's a that's a tough one. That's a. That's one I will never have a public opinion on.

Speaker 2 1:06:58

Yep, but we just had a public opinion.

Speaker 1 1:07:01

We have a public opinion that we're not going to have a public opinion True, true, this is yep. Good one. Oh, what do you listen to on rides and race Sparkly dresses and what Sparkly that has to be yours, that's not mine.

Speaker 2 1:07:16

Sparkly dresses and what you listen to on rides, races. So I don't listen to anything in races. I'm not. I don't even put one earphone in. I know there's some folks that do On on races. I want to be fully focused and tuned in on rides. I so Jennifer and the kids give me so much crap about this. I'm an old school Pandora user.

Speaker 1 1:07:43

Oh, that's 100%. I'm still a Pandora person.

Speaker 2 1:07:45

I still pay the subscription to Pandora. I love my Pandora setup and playlists.

Speaker 1 1:07:51

I worked hard to make those things so. I'm going to listen to them 100%.

Speaker 2 1:07:56

I'm not letting them go. Yep, so a full disclaimer. I have a Taylor Swift Pandora playlist that I'll listen to a lot while riding. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:08:03

Is it all? It's all Taylor, All Taylor man. Yeah, Did you go to the tour.

Speaker 2 1:08:08

No, I missed that. Yeah, I saw they put on more dates.

Speaker 1 1:08:11

Though there you go yeah.

Speaker 2 1:08:12

So I'm going to see them and get some tickets to that. What about you?

Speaker 1 1:08:15

I take headphones with me on every ride. Very rarely turn them on. Yeah, I use them for as like a caffeine boost.

Speaker 2 1:08:24

Oh.

Speaker 1 1:08:25

Man, I'm not having a lot of fun right now or I'm like super bored and I need something.

Speaker 1 1:08:29

Yeah, I used to listen to a lot of podcasts because it would help me, just like I could get a bunch of them. Yeah, I could just kind of zone out and do it. But if I'm going to turn them on now, it's going to be like rock music Like, but I'm definitely like a 90s, like more of like hair band grunge yeah. Or it's going to be like my early mid 2000s yeah, not so not much of the new stuff, huh. So I'm like I mean I can pull up my top ones right now, but oh wow, I mean I'm a die hard, shine down person, like to the end of time. Yeah, that's my favorite band of all time, so people can give me crap about that, I don't care.

Speaker 1 1:09:06

Yeah, but I would go back and listen to like, yeah, I mean, the grunge stuff is hard to be. Where's my Pandora thing? Um, the other ones would be like breaking Benjamin. They're like rock rock. Um, wow Is where it would be. A lot of this crap on here is. But when I ride gravel and I'm out there by myself, I'll turn on stuff like Mumford and sons. Oh, there you go, um spirit of gravel. I do Kings of Leon. I do those stations when I'm do gravel. Yeah, I feel like it fits the vibe, yep, but the other one's going to be like some candle box, some Nixon's. Yeah, um, I do my Eddie Vedder stations. Good for.

Speaker 2 1:09:43

Good one.

Speaker 1 1:09:44

But then I throw out my like, my like go back to my Reno roots and I throw out my like Dr Dre and my Snoop stations and stuff like that. So I'm a wide variety, I'm everywhere, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:09:54

So if I'm doing intervals, if I'm doing a work out and it's on gravel and I'm by myself, I'll listen to sort of bagpipe bands, scotch pipes and drums Really, oh yeah, go back to the roots. Very motivational. Yeah, let's go Off some English people.

Speaker 1 1:10:10

The other, the the one that I thought we should bring up, because, again, some people post stuff thinking that we're not going to say it, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 1:10:17

Brian Kavanaugh had a great question. Brian Kavanaugh wanted to know about stamp size, comparison and millimeters.

Speaker 1 1:10:24

Yes, Compared to inches, oh yeah, and he wanted to convert it.

Speaker 2 1:10:28

Yes, from millimeters to inches.

Speaker 1 1:10:30

Right, so, but I don't think he's talking about stems. He's probably not, so I'm going to guess he's, but we'll keep it at stems, okay, yes. So, Brian's probably talking about his, his. He's got probably like an 80 millimeter, yes, 60. So, he's probably got a short stem, yes, and so I'm guessing 80 milliliters is probably going to be like three inches Maybe.

Speaker 2 1:10:52

Yeah, something like that, yeah.

Bike Fitting and Cycling Infrastructure

Speaker 1 1:10:54

So Brian's probably wishing he could stretch out a little bit and go into like a 120, 130. As a bike fitter. Yeah, how would you help him do that? Well, sometimes there's only so much you can do, you know, sometimes the bike just doesn't fit. No, no, yeah, that would be my comments on that.

Speaker 2 1:11:11

Do you run a different like stem road and gravel?

Speaker 1 1:11:16

I think it depends on the frame of the bike. Really, yeah, interesting, but I would. If I was going to air, I would go shorter on gravel. Okay, chances are your gravel bikes probably got a longer reach, naturally. So to get you from the same like position in space, you're probably going to have to run a shorter one, short stem, yeah, interesting.

Speaker 1 1:11:33

And then if, depending on what hood you have, the GRX hoods are really long, yeah, so it depends on that too, yep. And the handlebar width is usually wider on gravel Yep, so you're going to need to run a shorter stem to get the same distance of reach. So, typically yes, yeah, and then in mountain biking it's a whole nother thing, because like, oh, it's just like well, I mean good luck yeah.

Speaker 2 1:11:54

I got, I got, no stem.

Speaker 1 1:11:56

Yeah Same. So on one bike and then my other one's got like a hundred.

Speaker 2 1:11:59

Yeah, so it used to be back in the day for cross country bikes really long stems, really short width handlebars, and that's went completely the opposite direction. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:12:10

My all trail bike, my nine or, has got zero stem because Drummond's like you need to get lower and I'm like I can't like he's like well, price of stem like I can replace it, but there's no dry, it's like zero. Yeah, I mean, it's not even like a 30.

Speaker 2 1:12:23

There is no getting lower.

Speaker 1 1:12:24

I have no stem. Yeah, you have no stem, and Brian's got an 80 stem.

Speaker 2 1:12:28

Yep, so you know it is what it is Real short, mm hmm, okay, here's a good one on the Instagram list and it's kind of a serious one. Uh oh, our state's lack of safe cycling infrastructure.

Speaker 1 1:12:42

That's a tough one. Yeah, oklahoma City's gotten better with bike lanes and if you go back, I do have an episode.

Speaker 2 1:12:48

Oh, that's right Way back when we talked to.

Speaker 1 1:12:51

I've talked about the bike lane infrastructure. I would agree, yeah, Oklahoma City's getting.

Speaker 2 1:12:56

it's a higher Compared to where it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:12:58

I mean they're trying. Yep Tulsa, I think, is way better for my understanding. Yep, they have much more trail and things like that. Yeah, it sucks though. Yeah, I mean slapping a logo out in the middle of the lane does not make it a bike lane?

Speaker 2 1:13:10

No yeah, that's a car still parking it.

Speaker 1 1:13:12

Yeah, yeah. And you're driving down the street and just because you painted something in the middle of the lane and there's no shoulder, yeah yeah, a car's not going to be like. Oh, I saw a sticker on the road, so now I'm going to give you space.

Speaker 2 1:13:23

Yeah, us infrastructure is not built with cycling in mind.

Speaker 1 1:13:27

No.

Speaker 2 1:13:27

Whereas Europe is, and I think Big difference.

Speaker 1 1:13:30

Yeah, and a part of that's we have space, yes, so spread out, yeah, and so it's built for cars, yep, and there it's so crowded, right. It's built for bicycles, because it's all you can use.

Speaker 2 1:13:40

Yeah, hardly get a ride better yeah.

Speaker 1 1:13:42

I think it's going to continue to get better. I mean the maps for all the. You know Columbus City, you know the lanes are getting built. They're almost done with the Katie trail connection or deep fork.

Speaker 1 1:13:50

Yep, that's what that section is called. That's almost done. Hopefully, though, the you can almost ride all the. I mean I can ride from my house, which is down in Midtown, and I can get in like 50 miles and only be like four miles on the road. Yeah, so it's not the prettiest and it's not the but it's better than it's better than what it was.

Speaker 2 1:14:08

Yeah, yeah, 1,000% yeah.

Speaker 1 1:14:10

Do you have any more stupid ones for us?

Speaker 2 1:14:12

Oh, let's find a stupid one. Yes, Shammy butter. I can't believe that I know Um sunglasses outside helmet straps. I don't even know which way do you do it. However, they go on Me too, but now I have to think about it.

Speaker 1 1:14:29

Oh, when this came through, I thought the same thing and I'm like I don't even think about it, I just put them on.

Speaker 2 1:14:33

I just put them on, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:14:35

I just know I have to put on one in order, because I have like the bone conducting headphones to put those on, first Yep, and then my helmet and sunglasses, or my sunglasses. So I guess I go, I think I may, I think I may go both ways. Oh wow, I think I go both ways because I think I may go both ways at the same time.

Sock Length and Favorite Ride Snacks

Speaker 1 1:14:54

I'm yeah, I may have one outside and one inside and I never know it, and I may have an outside inside on the same side. Yeah, crazy. So I don't know. What does that make? I guess I'm. I guess I'm back to the non-binary question. I think I am I think with my sunglasses I am yeah, Huh, Well, I think I mean this one didn't come in, but talking about maybe something we can kind of use this to wrap up this whole conversation, but this thumps their fire, yeah. Um sock length.

Speaker 2 1:15:24

Because this was a hot topic on.

Speaker 1 1:15:25

Monday at Chicken and Pickle. It was, wasn't it it like came out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 1:15:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:15:29

How do you feel on sock length I?

Speaker 2 1:15:30

couldn't give two crap.

Speaker 1 1:15:32

Drummond has no opinion about this topic.

Speaker 2 1:15:34

Really, what's up? No, you would think yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:15:36

Of all the people I know, he I in my understanding, drummond likes the short to mid-length socks. Yeah, yeah, which goes up his style.

Speaker 2 1:15:44

I will say those like ankle socks and cycling, don't do it. Don't do it Just don't wear them.

Speaker 1 1:15:50

That's what triathletes do Right.

Speaker 2 1:15:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just skip it all together.

Speaker 1 1:15:54

The amount of shit that Drummond has given me over the years about having no socks or short socks, yeah, is wild. But roadies would wear stuff up to their knees almost Yep and think it's cool, yeah. So now they have socks like go halfway up their shins, yeah. And then they throw their water pack on, yeah, and they're going to make fun of a triathlete.

Speaker 2 1:16:12

It's funny how things come full circle With a j with a sleeveless jersey, yep, and no socks. Just watch, here's what's coming next. Instead of the hydration pack, they're going to have one of those stupid little triathlon water things attached to their top tube frame. Ah With the straw coming out of it.

Speaker 1 1:16:26

Yeah, you mean the aero bottle, what it's called. Yeah, it makes you more aero.

Speaker 2 1:16:30

Yeah, it looks like a Capri Sun thing.

Speaker 1 1:16:33

And whenever they do that, I never want to hear another word from a roadie, ever again.

Speaker 2 1:16:37

And they go. Man, this is a great idea.

Speaker 1 1:16:39

Why would?

Speaker 2 1:16:39

we not be doing this?

Speaker 1 1:16:40

It's because it makes you faster and you don't have to move to drink Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm aware. Whatever socks I have, whatever I grab out of the besides, on mountain biking I typically wear longer ones, especially in the summer, to avoid like.

Speaker 2 1:16:54

Yeah, ways and iv. Yeah, I'll usually just wear longer ones. Yes, but I could care less. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:17:00

I usually wear shorter ones because that's what I have a lot of, and or I don't like crappy looking tan lines.

Speaker 2 1:17:04

So I try to wear different things all the time. Whatever's in the drawer, man, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:17:08

Do you have any other stupid topics before we wrap up?

Speaker 2 1:17:10

Oof, oof. We'll end with this one, because it's up in the thoughts on favorite snacks at a ride. Stop, what's your go-to? Ooh.

Speaker 1 1:17:21

If it's a long day, I'm probably going to buy a Gatorade and a Coke Mmm, probably and then, in true Troy Cowan fashion, I'm going to go with, like some Ho-Hos oh wow. Or a Cinnabon it's crazy or a Pop-Tart Pop-Tart would be. That channels my inner Rob Bell. When I'm trying to like be fast, yep, when I'm trying to be a eight year old with a credit card at convenience store, I go Troy and I go Ho-Hos or like, cut those things. Or a cinnamon roll yeah, those cinnamon rolls that are like the size of your face, yep, but they, like, you can smash them down into like a one bite. Yeah, those are the ones.

Speaker 2 1:18:03

So that's my go-to. I'm not a candy person on the ride. If you're a non-cyclist person and you show up at a gas station to see what cyclists eat at gas stations, you're going to go. How are these people healthy?

Speaker 1 1:18:13

They're not Right, they're just skinny. Yeah, they're not healthy. No, but you're go-to.

Speaker 2 1:18:19

It depends, probably just some gummy bears to have for the duration. If it's a longer one and I need something, I'll go for a Snickers and a bag of Lay's potato chips. Snickers yeah, jan, she's zingers, zingers all the way.

Speaker 1 1:18:38

Yeah, I like it. I like where she's at with that.

Speaker 2 1:18:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:18:40

Yeah, if I need something like a substance, I would do a payday.

Discussion About Beef and Bean Burritos

Speaker 2 1:18:43

Because there's a little bit of everything. I've been known to do a beef and bean burrito Like if I need food, food, oh.

Speaker 1 1:18:48

I think we know why you have a half bottle of chamois cream now. No, we don't Beef and bean burritos oh, they're so good.

Speaker 2 1:18:55

The cash in gas station beef and bean burritos.

Speaker 1 1:19:00

Are they like frozen and you put them in the microwave or something.

Speaker 2 1:19:03

No, they have them in the keep it warm thing, in the registry thing.

Speaker 1 1:19:07

Yeah, dude, talk of you're going to be pulling a Vanderpul.

Speaker 2 1:19:10

They're awesome, you're going to be visiting somebody at a neighbor's house. Yeah, would you eat that? Not, not, not, not. Yeah, I've run out of water and went up and knocked some farmhouse doors.

Speaker 1 1:19:21

I can't get off the beef and bean burrito off of a rotisserie at a convenience store.

Speaker 2 1:19:25

When you're hungry. I bet that thing's probably 800, 900 calories. It's probably been there a month. It's perfect Load of sodium, potassium For sure, okay, good topic, all right. Is there anything else? Is there anything else? Wrap this up. Yeah, let's wrap it up. This is a dumpster fire that we'll do again.

Speaker 1 1:19:43

Yeah, I hope so. People seem to like it. People have topics or ideas? Shoot them to either one of us. We'll add them to the list and we will keep this shit show going as long as people want to listen to it. Awesome, all right, thanks.

Speaker 2 1:19:54

Ryan Bye.