On this episode of the People Purpose Podcast, Chas and Julie are joined by their colleague Heather Geronemus. Heather is the senior director of social equity, opportunity and impact at UKG, so who better to chat corporate philanthropy with as we get ready for Global Pay it Forward Day on April 28? Also, in today's business stat of the day, find out how much money organizations around the country donate to non profits.
On this episode of the People Purpose Podcast, Chas and Julie are joined by their colleague Heather Geronemus. Heather is the senior director of social equity, opportunity and impact at UKG, so who better to chat corporate philanthropy with as we get ready for Global Pay it Forward Day on April 28? Also, in today's business stat of the day, find out how much money organizations around the country donate to non profits.
Hey y'all, welcome to the People Purpose podcast, the show that explores the ins and outs, challenges and opportunities HR people, managers, and of course all employees and people face at work every single day. I am one of your co hosts Chas Fields, and I am joined by my smiling workplace bestie and co-host,
Julie Develin:Julie Develin. Hi. Why do I have a water bottle back here? Because I should move that water bottle
Chas Fields:that looks like one of those ones that I get from the hotel.
Julie Develin:Yeah, there we go. Yeah, basketball
Chas Fields:is gonna make multiple appearances in the future, by the way, I think so. Like that's gonna be like a staple of the office. Hey, Jules.
Julie Develin:Mind. Should I say basketball? You know, I went to Iowa. And I know this episode's gonna be dropping a little bit after our What's your my little Iowa trip. But for those of you who follow me on LinkedIn, you would have seen that I was most excited to go to Iowa for my speech. So that was given at the Iowa employment concert but equally as excited to go there to get concert concert conference. But that's funny. It was a concert was an HR concert where we were going in we were playing all employment. All songs about work. Anyway, thank you for Columbia conference. So we so I was excited to go to get Caitlin Clark gear. And I found the mother lode of Caitlin. Here. Yeah, she's pretty good. So yeah, so I got a shirt. And so I'm just I just am so happy. Everything that's going on with women's sports. It's a lot of fun. So how about you? What's on your mind?
Chas Fields:Similar? Awesome. My mind. Did you see the stat that when I will played LSU it was the largest crowd to watch a game, you know, globally of any NCAA event ever?
Julie Develin:Yeah. 12 point 3 million and that number has actually since been trumped by the the finals. So
Chas Fields:right the game that just play. Oh, yeah, I thought you just played yesterday. Yeah. So that Yeah. Two games ago, if you will, before the national championship. For the for the women's NCAA. Yeah. Which is really impressive. Man that she's a lot of fun to watch, man.
Julie Develin:I don't I don't say this. She is but there's so many other talented. Oh, I agree. Yeah, talented players that are now in spotlight because of the hype and everything and just just really, really good time. But that's not why we're here right. Now while we're here.
Chas Fields:This one's another special episode, Jules. So because we get to have one of our friends but someone who has just, she's an amazing region and amazing story and impact. But before we bring her on, we have a stat. What is the business that
Julie Develin:Jules? Yeah, so chez corporations in 2022 gave more than $21 billion to nonprofits. And that's great. But here's the other thing to know about that number 78% of donors, people who contribute to nonprofits are unaware that their company offers a matching gift program. And the specifics surrounding that program. That's according to 360 match pro.com. So I feel like there's a there's a little disconnect there. Yeah, why? Well, there's a disconnect, because people that are working in organizations are giving money, how to nonprofits, which is awesome. But that impact could be doubled, sometimes even more than doubled. If they would just understand and know that their organization provided a matching program. But the question becomes, you know, why? How do we how do we get that message out there?
Chas Fields:What a perfect segue. What a perfect segue, because we have the most amazing guest with us miss Heather dramas. Hi, Heather.
Heather Geronemus:Hi.
Chas Fields:So Heather, the reason we brought you on today is Avid, obviously a global pay it for Day is coming up. And we wanted you to number one, tell your honor, who you are, what you do, and kind of kind of share your story. So maybe we start there. Who are you? What do you do? And then we're going to dive into Hey, how do we get rid of this disconnect that Julie just described? Absolutely.
Heather Geronemus:So I'm so honored to be here. Love your podcasts big fan. So thank you for calling me up. So I oversee global social impact for UKG. And you know, it's a great honor to do that. And I got here, really like, actually kind of straightforward. But I think when I was when I was growing up volunteering in our community, I've literally been volunteering. So it's five years old. I didn't know that this could be a career, right? I think that that's something that's really in the last like 2015 to 20 years is really solidified as a career leading social impact for our community of our company. So really fortunate that my childhood passion, and it's something that I continue to do throughout high school and college and then really seeking out organizations that cared about communities. My first job was at Bloomberg first internship, first job, super Karen company, in in New York and abroad. So I've always really been drawn to companies with purpose and companies that care about their communities. And when I joined our company, almost 14 years ago, I made it a goal to lead corporate philanthropy for them ultimate software in 2011. We had, we were so philanthropic that and it was really led by our CHR O and our CEO of at the time, and I said, I wanted that to be my job, I wanted there to be the need for that job at that company. And, you know, ultimately, in 2015, it did become part of my role, I volunteered for that role until I got it. And then in 2019, I officially took over all global corporate philanthropy for ultimate. And then as we navigated the merger, and became UKG, and defined our purpose or purposes, people. So when you say your purpose is people, that means that you really need to put your money where your mouth is not just in your internal practices, but in your external practices. I, you know, originally I was kind of serving dual roles as part of the marketing department with all of you. I was a leader in the PR team and a leader of philanthropy. And a couple years ago, I had the great opportunity to join Brian Reeves team to join our chief, blogging equity and impact officers part of his leadership team, focusing full time on this work full time on social impact on employee engagement through volunteerism and how we really support and scale our strategic philanthropy with the business. Yeah, there's a lot.
Julie Develin:There is but but for our listeners, also, Heather's full title is Senior Director of Social Equity, opportunity, and impact. And I think that's really important, because I think there's a difference between philanthropy, just philanthropy, right, the director of philanthropy, and we're taking that little bit farther and saying social equity. Right. So a lot of your role has there and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am has to do with sort of bringing people on to the same scale from an equity perspective, is that fair to say?
Heather Geronemus:Absolutely. When you think about really easy way to think about it is everything that we do in our kind of traditional diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging, motions, create equity of opportunity for UKG employees and future employees. And then our social equity opportunity and impact offered the CCB entered sale there's our social equity opportunity and impact efforts take our you know, our purposes, people and our diversity efforts, and then we put to take them into the community and how do we create equity of opportunity in our communities how to for all, not just for future you Kruger's you know, for people in our global communities focused a lot around our headquarter locations, of course of Western and Lowell. And we have a strong philanthropic presence in India, where we have a huge presence as well. But really focusing on creating equity of opportunity. A perfect example is recently we, we had an empower us session here, which is really usually focused on college students and kind of getting them into the motion of understanding UKG understanding about the opportunities that we have here and focused on underrepresented talent. We hosted it here in Weston at our headquarters, and we had the opportunity to also include high school students, so it didn't just go to any high school down the street, I went to handy which is another one of our nonprofit partners, that they serve abandoned, neglected youth youth that really the only they've been dealt a bad hand they may be experiencing homelessness, or domestic violence or they may be caring for their their siblings as teenagers. And so I went to that school and I brought them here that's creating equity of opportunity. I didn't we live we our headquarters is in a beautiful place and Weston, the high school down the street has a lot of opportunity. Those high schoolers at Handy do not so it's really thinking about how we can get into our communities and provide that opportunity and the areas that we focus on our Health Human Services and Education. There's you know, every company focused two chooses to focus in different ways, but those are how we see the opportunity spectrum present
Julie Develin:is that is that real? Is that a thing? So each company when it comes to their philanthropic or their focus of their philanthropy, they generally have just a few areas where they focus, I guess, because it's so broad, right? You could, you can't save everything right? You want to correct. But how do we how do we, how do companies go about that process?
Heather Geronemus:So really, you start with your purpose, right. So for us, as we talked about our purpose is people so we're broad we can, we could do a lot of things. And you could almost make a justification that anything fits their health, human services. And education kind of covers the spectrum, because you know, you could be in school with no shoes or not have lunch, and you can't, so you need that human services component, you also need that health component to really create kind of that opportunity spectrum. But if you're starting out, if your company has got a couple of 100 employees, or even a couple 1000 employees, and your budget is small, think about your purpose and what what your company can do. So if you're a grocery chain, you're probably going to tackle hunger, you may only tackle hunger, you know, if you're a healthcare system, you may only look at things across the health spectrum. But it's important to be able to, to be able to do that to know what you can say yes to, but also what you can say no to and just always go back to that purpose that you've set, because there's not a finite budget and philanthropy anywhere. So you know, you really we do not have McKenzie, Scott money, I wish we did. She's giving, but every company needs to kind of think about where their focus is going to be. And it's really good to not just determine it as this, you know, head of social impact. But you want your your stakeholders, your A C suite, you want folks to agree with you, you want it to be marketable to both your employees and to your communities as well.
Chas Fields:That's, that's amazing. And there's, there's so much there. And I know we're going to kind of get to the brass tacks for you know, our listeners who are like, you know, either where do I start, but before we do that, walk me through you said you started volunteering when you were five, right? And it's been your life, right? So it's clearly it shows a lot of your character and your passion and the growth that you've experienced? How, like, walk me through that from five years old, to Bloomberg to UKG? 2011 ultimate software? 2011? Like, can you just how to how
Heather Geronemus:we probably have to get to my mom, let's the original credit to my mom, shout out to your mom. Okay. So my mom was volunteering for the National MS Society, she's on the board of directors, and you know, just went everywhere with her. So one of the places that I went with her this is literally one of my earliest childhood memories, is walking through the mall wearing a t shirt that said, ugly bartender, or said sorry, it said, hug me I'm ugly. And the event that it was promoting was the ugly bartender event for the National MS Society. I don't think they do this event anymore. But it was a charity, fundraising bartender thing. And this woman, I was five, and this woman stops my mom in the mall. I mean, she's like, You shouldn't your daughter shouldn't be wearing that shirt. She's not ugly. And I was like, no ugly stands for understanding, giving, loving you. And we're looking for people to participate in a fundraiser for the National MS Society. And I talked about Ms. Probably in a more eloquent way than I could today. Because now I focused on so many different causes. But I you know, I was very purpose driven. And by the way, then I was shy, you both know me, I'm not now. But, you know, volunteering enabled me to kind of find a voice and find purpose and find something kind of something to direct me all throughout my life when I was in middle school, and things are like terribly confusing. In middle school, I lead the Community Service Committee. I think I also made it up. But I led the committees to help people get their hours. So I would organize things to make sure that all of my peers got their hours. So we would go to that mess walk or you know, different things. And the same thing in high school did in high school, and then ran it back again. In college, I was part of an organization called the Jewish heritage programs. That was a volunteer led committee that served our Jewish community there and I met the most fascinating people, we delivered meals to Holocaust survivor. So really, volunteering gave me connection with people that I never would have connected with. So it's always really been something like fundamental teaching me something or giving me an opportunity to do something, even the opportunity to lead people before I was a people leader. So there's just always been this flow through in my life. And then in 2009, for the first time, after a lifetime of volunteering, I needed a nonprofit. And I you know, I kind of never thought that I was always in service of nonprofits. I never thought that I would need one. But my father was killed by a drunk driver when he was crossing the street and Miami in January of 2009. And, you know, there's no good way to lose anyone and I'm not judging here. But that comes with a whole set of circumstances. So it's a crime It's unexpected didn't have to happen because that person didn't need to be driving. And it was, you know, it was tragic and terrible. And I thought that I could handle it all. And these folks are mad for Mothers Against Drunk Driving reached out to me. And in the beginning, I didn't, I didn't accept their help, I didn't think that I needed it. But when I did, I remember calling back the person, the stranger that called me offering assistance. And I was in a car that I remember the car, remember where the parking lot I pulled into when she and I connected. And I spoke to this woman for like 90 minutes about services, and things that could help me get through what I was going through. And it was so remarkable that if I hung up the phone, and I had never called her back, and I had never raised$1, for mad or never done anything that that was, that's what the organization was there for. And I thought I have to do something for this organization. So I did, I got involved as a volunteer after the criminal case was done for the person that killed my father. And over the last 14 years, 15 years since my dad died, the South Florida community has really wrap its arms around that event that I started called Walk like mad and mad dash, Fort Lauderdale, and we've raised millions of dollars. But more importantly, we've brought the community together before tragedy occurs. And that's the power of what nonprofits can do. Right? They can bring people together to create solutions in a different way than anyone else. So I think like that both sides of my life happening and coming together of serving nonprofits, and then meeting a nonprofit and understanding what that that power is just really solidified my passion. And then joining a company like ours, that had this opportunity in this passion that was similar to mine, you know, just gave me this opportunity to say, hey, I want to do that for a living. And here Yeah, yeah,
Julie Develin:I love that you're I love that you're able to take your your passion and bring it to your, you know, to your work. I mean, that's that's huge. Right. I it's just it's so remarkable. That story. You know, I think that for our listeners who maybe they work at smaller organizations, or organizations that maybe don't have a leadership team, or powers that be, if you will, who are supportive of corporate philanthropy or, you know, even volunteer hours for employees, I mean, what are some of your recommendations for how companies can can just take a step forward? Especially if employees are asking for questions.
Heather Geronemus:So I think it's taking a step back kind of justifying the function and also or even just satisfied having the activities you could do we believe social impacts a business imperative, it's not just nice to have, and it's not, there's not just us say, right. So according to Porter Novelli, 85% of consumers say they choose a brand that supports a cause or charity over one that's not. So if you're advocating internally for a little bit of a charitable budget, or a little bit of an opportunity to allow your employees to go out and serve their communities, there's some brand lift that happens there. And then according to our brands, a great place to work employees are proud of their company's community contributions are 70% more likely to respond positively on their well being index. So we know that this matters, and other one that I love, it's a little bit it's not outdated, they just haven't refreshed the survey. But in 2017, Deloitte did a whole volunteerism survey, and 89% of those respondents think that company sponsored volunteer activities create a better working environment. So I think, like take some of these stats and go advocate for the opportunity. But if you don't feel like you can go get paid time off for volunteering, like we're so fortunate to have, it's worthwhile to swap out a happy hour with a volunteer activity, because in that same survey, they employees rated happy volunteer hours as much higher than a happy hour as something that brings employees together. So I think it's worth just taking a different opportunity, a lot of different options. So you bring your team together for an off site or an on site include a volunteer activity, we just had a group that came in for the legal summit came in, and they made capes for capes and masks for kids, and they're going to be donated to kids in distress here and the wish project in Lowell. And it could be as simple as that it can be as simple as writing cards for hospitalized children through an organization like cards for kids. It costs a couple of bucks in construction paper and markers. But what a great way to end a meeting to do something wonderful for someone else. So I think you can start small by incorporating it into kind of existing motions that your company has, before you even think about can we have time off? Can we have a day off? Can we have an international event which I know we'll talk about, but there's definitely small ways to incorporate it and even just like I said reallocating that happy hour to a day of service. I know you all in marketing are huge on service Edward always helping plan events for onboarding and marketing service days and for the holidays, great way to bring your employees together.
Chas Fields:Yeah, it's really special because I hear a couple of things. And I don't think that there's anything wrong you mentioned like brand, lift and culture, right? There's, like you're serving an organization, why not serve together for another organization? So it's not just it's not just talking to talk, you and I talked about this last week, we don't just talk the talk, we walk the walk here, how can we stay the things publicly, but then not follow up with today's access to information, Julie, and I see it all the time, where companies will, you know, put something out there, and then all of a sudden, you know, they didn't actually do what they said. And then employees are like, whoa, hold on, like, what, what am I getting into? And the other piece of this, too, that I that I heard you say is resources, right? So many times companies think or people think inside those organizations, so we don't have the resources, right? Or we don't have the money. Yeah, but you do have an extra 15 minutes in your day, at the end of the meeting, if you build it in if you choose to build it in write the choice, the key word to make mass for kids, right? You know, our team, the advisors, we went and did the Broward County Food Bank, right. And out of all of the things that our team has done together over the years, I would argue it was the one thing that brought us closer together than anything, right? Because we were together, serving together. And it didn't take resources other than our time and the gas to get over there. Right. Because they welcome they welcome people to come and help for Feeding America. Jules.
Julie Develin:Yeah, I feel like, you know, something that you said and that I was going to say, also, Chas about, you know, the feeding South Florida, what we did, as a team, our group for our team retreat, we took half of our team retreat half of the day. And we went, we volunteered, and I feel like that was definitely more impactful, if not more, right, impactful than some of the things that we talked about, you know, in our in our meeting in terms of bringing people together. But you know, even if even if the C suite or the powers that be at organizations aren't keen right on, on making investments on a global scale, that doesn't necessarily mean that teams can't make it their own investments, both monetarily and with ties, right in volunteering. So what you were saying, you know, Heather, hey, you know, instead of, you know, looking at the macro of, hey, you know, we have to do everything at once. Why not start small? I remember when we were at, oh, gosh, it was one of our sales kickoff events, I believe. And, you know, part of that was creating the coloring the markers, the bookmarks for people. That's right. Yeah. Like, like, I just think about all of the different. I think about all the different guitars, yeah, that we that we kept, yeah, building guitars, things that we can do to give back. It's just a matter of finding those opportunities. Because no matter where you live in the world, it was let's just say the states and the states, especially there are local nonprofits that can use your help in some way. That's right. Absolutely.
Heather Geronemus:And it doesn't have to cost either. Right. I mentioned a couple of free things and a couple of like, small cost things. But you know, if you think about it, every company has a special skill, right? So we in the building behind me, we've got tons of software developers, and those, they a lot of us folks, and I'm not stereotyping, but a lot of those folks don't love the hands on volunteering, but they love the skills based volunteering, and nonprofits need that too. So you can think about time, talent or treasure, like I firmly believe, and obviously, it's been ingrained in me since I was very little, but everyone has something to give, you know, and it doesn't have to if you're an individual or if your company, it doesn't have to be a giant check. And sometimes that hands on volunteering is even more meaningful than the giant check nonprofits for for both. But there's a lot of meaning and value and especially what I love to see is when we take our employees somewhere, they often return there I've heard story after story about how that those employees go back and that becomes their nonprofit of choice. They take their family they there they take their kids there and both of you don't live down here in South Florida but you may go to your food bank with your family because you have that experience here in South Florida. And that you know that opportunity to inspire employees I think as HR professionals should like really excite you that like one little taste of serving the community that might spark a flame and someone that could become you know, year round volunteering or even more.
Chas Fields:Absolutely sure you with our manager that will be where we are every time we are all together in Florida. I can promise you that.
Julie Develin:Yeah, it's actually it from a business perspective to I'm working with some other food banks who are going to be utilizing UKG's products and have just being able to have said hey, listen, I've been in there right I understand what's going on. And by the way, we want to come volunteer at your organization to it's just, it's it really is just a win win all the way around. So, so admirable. Yeah, with that
Heather Geronemus:I was just gonna say that's a really good tip for your viewers and listeners is that food banks are some of the easiest, right profits to find and volunteer at. So if you're like, I don't even know where to start, go on feeding America's food bank locator, which is right on their homepage of their website, and you can put in your zip code, and you will find the closest Feeding America branch to your location. And they have easy online signups. It doesn't take, I mean, you should have a team like mine, because they're amazing. But it doesn't take a game like mine, to place your employees with something like that. And that's a really great easy, no cost first step that anyone listening can take. So
Chas Fields:So let me ask you this. All right, if you had to narrow it down to three steps, right, like three steps to activate this philanthropic, whether it's donations or employees, like, what is the HG heteronomous? By the way, extreme? What is the HG, like magic sauce, you know, or formula to get people to move in the right direction?
Heather Geronemus:Sure. So I think it's kind of we've talked about some of them, but just to distill it. So think about your purpose, how does what you want to do, or what you would like your company to support you starting, because it's important to know that this function sits in a lot of different places, right. So it could be the HR professional driving it, it could be someone in the marketing department, it could be someone in the legal where a lot of ESG initiatives sit. And now this, this, what we have here with being part of the diversity team is a new kind of emerging trend, and philanthropy but you could be anywhere in the business. But you really start with your purpose and start with your purpose and how serving your purpose through community work will come together, then it's makes a lot of sense. It'll make sense for you as a leader trying to advocate above and you know, and to the sides. But it also make a lot of sense for your employees to come along with you if they're you know, they're getting using the kind of grocery grocery chain Initiative, or idea. If you're a grocer and you ask your employees to tackle hunger with you makes a lot of sense. If you ask me, you tell your leaders, we're going to have a national day of service where we go out and help deal with food insecurity makes a lot of sense. I think the second thing is, what are you thinking about what you want to do? So is it time treasure, or? or talent? Is it product? Are you in an industry where you can donate computers? Because you're a computer company? Or if you're you know, what? What can you donate? Is it all three? Or is it one, it's fine to start with one and then go into more? But so you need to really distill down? What's your purpose? What are you going to do? What is your what are you going to donate? And what makes sense for your business. And then you know, we talked about this about not having leadership buy in, get your leaders to buy in by distilling it down to this makes sense for the business. This makes sense for what we can handle at this time. You want your leaders out there volunteering, you know, every time my team I know even when we have a national or an International Day of Service volunteers, our chief belonging, equity and impact officer is there with us Jodi's out, there are chief marketing officers out there volunteering with us, you want them there, and then you know, I'll give you a fourth, which is really important. You want to create that camaraderie and pride around it. So how are you telling the stories, you know, if the stories only live in my head, they're not as as wonderful as if other people can see them. So for us, we have an amazing interactive experience called stories with purpose, where you can see these stories from the whole team, not just the social impact team, you can see how they play out and then hopefully, that serves as inspiration for your employees, for your leaders and also for your communities.
Julie Develin:Well, I'm inspired. Yeah.
Chas Fields:I have a question about that. Because I think I think a lot of a lot of people, organizations, companies, whatever think that they have to commit to like something daily or weekly, right? It could be a once a quarter project. Am I missing that? Or is it it can be a once a month? Like, is there a year to sit? Okay, yeah, I think that's I think that's one of the myths, right? It's like, well, once you commit, you've got to do it constantly. And I don't I don't think that's fair. Right.
Heather Geronemus:Yeah, I think that falls into that for that kind of second idea of figuring out like what you can do what's reasonable for your business. So you know, at UKG we've got kind of two international service opportunities one coming up global Pay It Forward Day and one you crew kickoff week where we mark essentially being UKrewers and being UKG by serving our communities, but that's what happens when you say our purpose people like yeah, that's, that's going really big. And we're a big company that can that has a team and then extended team members and our ambassadors that can handle that. But if you're just starting, you know in Japan Adding on your global footprint or if you're even just, you know, you've got a headquarters of 100 people starting small and saying I want to have a day of service, or I just want to try going out into the community as a pilot, so you don't freak anybody out that you're over committing. But yeah, I think just just start with getting started, right, do one thing. And then people will I think, again, the employees will want more leaders will want more, once you see it and kind of get inspired by it, I think it kind of has a life of its own.
Julie Develin:Last thing for you wrap up global Pay It Forward Day. Talk to us a little bit about that.
Heather Geronemus:Sure. So global Pay It Forward Day as an International Day of Service, I didn't make it up. I wish I did. Started in Australia in 2017. And when you know, when I was working for ultimate, we were a primarily US based company. As UK, G we've got this amazing global footprint. And we were really looking for an international event to celebrate. So three years ago, we found global payetteforward day, which is really just a day about kindness, right about take taking one action to do something for someone else. And we decided that that made sense for us like we can do one thing. And this is kind of what your to your point about starting small, it could be as simple as we've inspired an employee to pay for the coffee for the person behind them in the line at you know, on the hub floor and low. But what we also do is we plan I think we've got over 30 opportunities for our employees to serve around the world, and to take advantage of their volunteer to their paid time off for volunteering. We during that week, global paperwork is actually on April 28 happens to be a Sunday this year. So we're celebrating on Friday, April 26. But we always at the end of April, coalesce around service. And we've got all kinds of different opportunities. But you mentioned food banks, really food banks are one of the prime opportunities for this. They're usually it's inside, they can usually has a lot of people. So in those 30 opportunities, lots and lots of food banks, lots of rebuilding together locations all over the country where people help keep people in their homes that they own, but need a little bit of help from a refurbishing or ADA compliance sort of, you know, helping. So there's lots of different ways. And you know, we hope that everyone gets involved in one of those days that we've had these opportunities that we've planned, or through our ambassadors who the blog, equity and impact team has ambassadors to the ambassadors plan their own events, because we've got employees all over the world. Our team is only five people. So we can't can possibly plan something where everyone is. But we have empowered this really amazing group of individuals across the business to help us kind of make that effort even bigger.
Julie Develin:Amazing, Chas.
Chas Fields:It's truly amazing. Heather, we can't thank you enough. I you know, even though we've known each other for several years, I still continue to learn from you. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for all of the impact that you bring not just to UKG, but to those that you surround. And yeah, you're obviously a bundle of industry, you and I have never met a stranger in our lives, which is pretty incredible. And I know we can talk for hours, as we do every episode and wrap it up. And I'll start with you, Jules, Hey, what'd you find your purpose. And today, I
Heather Geronemus:found my purpose in realizing that on 426, that's a global Pay It Forward Day. And even if I can't volunteer, I'm going to do something kind that day. There's my purpose. Yep. I found my purpose in having this conversation and thinking through small ways that companies can start it's you know, we were 2500 people when I started this, this work. So it's really cool to think about how small ways that companies can start because the impact that someone that listen to this podcast can make is immeasurable.
Chas Fields:Love it. And I would say my I would say I found my purpose it just do something, right, just do something. And I can't imagine there's a perfect way to volunteer or do something good. But you can do something. And I think that's what I heard from you today is hey, it may not be perfect first go around. But if you don't try, you know, you're not going to build your culture, you're not going to help your brand. You're also not going to most importantly have the most impact outside of your organization that you can and I think that's really really special. So, Jules, you on our episode. Yeah.
Julie Develin:Thanks for listening, everybody. Don't forget to Like, Subscribe. Follow us on social give us a review, and we can't wait to see you next time on the people purpose podcast. Thanks, Heather.
Chas Fields:Thank you. Thanks for listening. Cheers.