This One Time On Psychedelics
This One Time On Psychedelics
Ep. 185: The Magic Of Microdosing For Peak Performance & Health (feat. Adam Schell)
As I’ve said before on this show, one of my favorite parts of hosting this show is the ability to share the epic & awesome people I meet with each of you who tune into the show. There is nothing I like more in life than connecting with others & then connecting them with more & more people. That old quote that “life is all about who you know” is something that I have discovered is true over & over in my life & as a result, I am beyond stoked to share todays guest with all of you. His story begins with psychedelic experiences that altered the trajectory of his life from dreams of going into the military into dreams that were more in alignment with his soul, including sports & the realm of plant medicine. From being a big player in the world of Cannabis for years in California to falling into debt & bringing himself back from the depths of despair with the help of microdosing psilocybin mushrooms, it’s safe to say that any of you who have gone through challenges in your life will leave this episode feeling inspired. His most recent venture, which I am BEYOND fired up about is his company Brainsupreme, which utilizes the magic of mushrooms, combined with adaptogens, nootropics & more to support anyone in being able to get past the limiting beliefs, stories & trauma standing in the way of their greatness to become the best version of themselves & make sure you all check out the show notes for this episode for a discount code you can use to try some out for yourself today.
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Thank you. Medicines and the impact they've made among the countless psychonauts exploring the last true frontier. Buy a ticket and take the ride with me as we get true first-hand accounts of the experiences, benefits, risks and transformations taking place within the ever-expanding world of psychedelic medicines. On this One Time on Psychedelics, as I've said before on this show, one of my favorite parts of hosting this show is the ability to share the epic and awesome people I meet with each of you who tune into the show each week. There is nothing I like more in life than connecting with others and then connecting them with more and more people. You know that old quote that says life is all about who you know. Well, it's something that I have discovered is true over and over in my life and, as a result, I am beyond stoked to share today's guest with all of you. His story begins with psychedelic experiences that altered the trajectory of his life, from dreams of going into the military and dreams that were more in alignment with his soul, including sports and the realm of plant medicine, from being a big player in the world of cannabis for years in California to falling into debt and bringing himself back from the depths of despair with the help of microdosing psilocybin mushrooms. It's safe to say that any of you who have gone through challenges in your life will leave this episode feeling inspired. His most recent venture, which I am beyond fired up about, is his company Brain Supreme, which utilizes the magic of mushrooms combined with adaptogens, nootropics and more to support anyone in being able to get past the limiting beliefs, stories and trauma standing in the way of their greatness to become the best version of themselves. And make sure you all check out the show notes for this episode for a discount code you can use to try some out for yourself from his company today. So please help me in welcoming my man, adam Schell, to the show. Adam Schell, my man, I am so excited to have you on.
Speaker 1:You know, as I said in the intro, I first found out about you through my buddy, mark, who's a mutual friend of ours. Mark Steves my Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast and you know when he sent over your bio and everything, I was like dude, how have I not heard of this guy? You know, we were just joking before we started. We're so similar in what we love, you know psychedelics, cannabis, exercise. Of course you have a lot of football experience. You are heavy in sports, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:But before we dive into your whole journey, I want to give some context of how this all started. Man, how did you first get interested in the realm of psychedelic medicines? Because with everything you've been into in your life, you don't look like the poster child for psychedelics, right, like you know, you look like the poster child for you know, peak performance, health optimization, all of these types of things, and obviously I know psychedelics interplay into those realms. But how did this all start for you, man? Were you someone that was always interested in psychedelics? Did it come later on in life?
Speaker 2:Tell me everything man, I want to know.
Speaker 2:Well first off, thanks for the nice intro. I'm very excited to be here. I've done a deep dive since I knew we're going to do the podcast and I really enjoy your work. That's a great, great starting question.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you know my dad was a seventies cocaine user and the marriage came apart and so I was. I wasn't like a hardcore 80s kid, like anti-drug, but I just didn't really have a place in it. And I was very into athletics. I was so committed to get a like a football scholarship and so forth and you know so and I did that. I was an Allstate high school football player and I had a pretty significant shoulder injury so it cut my scholarship offers down.
Speaker 2:But I managed to play in the Big Ten but it was during my sophomore year spring break and my mom was living in Jupiter, florida, and my brother, who's four and a half years older. My brother and I are cool with each other. We love each other. But what's interesting me having kids now, if your kids are like two years apart, two and a half years, like they're both into Pokemon at the same time. If your kids are four and a half years apart, like they're in very different head spaces, so it will kind of affect the closeness until, like you're, you know, 19 and 23, like then things start to really come together. So my mom's living in in Jupiter Florida, my brother and I meet down there. He's in graduate school. I'm at Northwestern in Jupiter Florida, my brother and I meet down there, he's in graduate school, I'm at Northwestern. We meet and we go down for spring break. We stay with my mom and then we take a road trip down to Key West Florida.
Speaker 2:Now this is Key West Florida in 1990. I haven't been there since but it was like still funky and this kind of had this voodoo charm and magic to it and you know, like old New Orleans and and African aspects of culture to it and Caribbean culture. It was just wild in this whole. You know it's the very bottom of America. So there's a little dropout and he's like hey, I got this bag of mushrooms and I'm like fucking great. So we didn't know anything. So we go to this cafe and I know now it's probably like 10 grams that he has, okay, and we drop them in some chamomile tea and we smash them up in there, we add some lemon and we add some honey. We don't know anything. We split the tea and we drink the tea and then we ride, we rent these cruiser bikes and I just remember first also being a big guy and a football player.
Speaker 2:I can remember my joints and I'm like, oh God, like riding this bike man, my joints felt so good and I just felt so delicious and I was 19. And like you don't have that much baggage and psychological trauma, at least thankfully, like I did, and so you know some divorce and some other shit, but like, not like heavy duty trauma. So the mushrooms were like joy, like unbelievable joy, and a connection with my brother Like we still have never kind of matched that it was amazing. But here's the clincher I was highly recruited by all the military universities and I had a shoulder injury and I kind of like I wasn't really into that but I might have considered like West Point. I was recruited by all of them but I got canceled because of the shoulder injury. So I was like a little bit oriented in that way like special forces kind of thinking that type of guy at 19.
Speaker 2:And my brother, we go to this beach and we roll up and it's in Key West Florida and it's these kind of sparse Southern palms. They're spread out and it was a rocky beach. My brother, I'm holding these two cruiser bikes. My brother runs into the bathroom and then out of nowhere, pops this homeless guy. He was sweet, he was completely disheveled, but he had a real sweetness to him and we just start chatting and he's like, yeah, yeah, I live outside. I have to live outside ever since Vietnam. And he starts to share with me experiences from when he was 19 and I'm in this completely altered state. And he was a prisoner of war and he was captured and for six months he was kept in a pen up to his neck in mud and splayed out and he's the only one in his group that survived the tortures that he went through. And ever since then he has to live outside. And he starts to share with me.
Speaker 2:And in this altered state that I was in like first of my union with him and this unbelievable empathic connection, I've never experienced anything like that. But in this altered state it dawned on me that like, oh my God, he's 38 years old, this happened to him when he was 19. Like he's twice my age and he had an experience at 19 that he's never recovered from. So I'm like, holy shit, like our psychology is fragile, covered from. So I'm like, holy shit, like our psychology is fragile, like, like, and I had never experienced like intimacy, connection, a story, the ramifications of the actions of our lives. I had never experienced life with the depth, of that clarity and intensity and it completely changed me. And I had a few psychedelic experiences since then but like, I never forgot that experience, that that experience changed my life and the way I look at war and the way I look at violence and the way I look at collateral damage. Like it shifted me forever. And I went from this guy who like, honestly, if I'd been healthy and like I could have gone to the Naval Academy, like I probably would have gone that route and tried to be like special forces and who knows what would happen, but like it was over, like I don't want to be involved in that at all, I don't want to kill somebody, I don't want to be involved and see people get killed. Like it changed my psychology immediately and I've I've thought on a deeper level ever since that experience and I never forgot about it.
Speaker 2:So I'm in the cannabis industry, I'm doing quite well. I run a distribution company. Basically, I drive from LA to Northern California three times a month with a van full with a couple sprinter vans and a couple of guys, and you know we had anywhere from like half a million to 1.5 million bucks in cash and we'd load the vans with cannabis and trim and we'd drive it down and drop it at our distribution hubs and then we kind of, you know, take a few days off and gear up and do it again. You know, take a few days off and gear up and do it again. You know, but cannabis for me has always been I just don't do I like. I appreciate it as medicine. When I taught yoga I would, I would use it with clients and and cancer and different kinds of healing modalities. Topically I was always, like you know, blending it in with olive oil and doing stuff like that. But like smoking it, I get a little like in my own head, too self-conscious and what I call mired in the subtext. So I'm very judicious and careful kind of.
Speaker 2:But psychedelics I had this great experience with. I had a few other great experiences. So when I was really cash positive, there was a guy living in my neighborhood Our kids were friends. He's a Russian dude. We'd meet in the sauna at this little community we're the only two that ever use a sauna. So we developed this like relationship and it turns out he had a little closet grow. And then we started talking psychedelics and mushrooms. And it turns out he's Russian and his family's had a cabin in the woods. For four generations They've been collecting and foraging mushrooms. And so I said hey, you know, if I fund you out a little bit, can you, can you grow some psychedelics? And like dude, he took to it, like his ancestors were like, ah, you're home. And within a couple months he was an extraordinary mushroom grower. And then I really started to think about this notion of like. This is like can we approach microdosing and psilocybin as supplementation, as like the ultimate form of supplementation?
Speaker 1:And that was really the genesis of Brain Supreme and my whole story of how I first got open to psychedelics, what they can kind of do to alter your psychology, provide some depth, provide some healings, and then, looking at it from the standpoint of supplementation, which is where we're really at with Brain Supreme, Wow, dude, such an amazing story, adam, and thank you for sharing that with me and the listeners, because you know, it's one of the things that I love most about doing any podcast, especially this show, is hearing how people got into psychedelics, because one of the things I'm really big in these days is the idea of decentralization, crypto, you know all that kind of stuff, and I really think, for those of us that are psychedelic pioneers that have found a way into it because they've been illegal this whole time, we've really been practicing decentralization. When we connect with psychedelics, right, we're taking our own physical, emotional, mental and spiritual health in our own hands and we're, you know, doing so to figure things out right, to start to, you know, get into this never ending quest of why are we here, who are we, where do we come from, all of these types of things? And you know, I know for me, that my first psilocybin experience shifted my life profoundly and it was only a gram of mushrooms, right, so not even that much or anything like that. But after that I started messing around with psychedelics quite a bit and when my dad got sick, I actually was dosing psychedelics very frequently with him in the house when he was sick with cancer and we were giving him rso and things like that, but I knew his diagnosis was terminal because he wasn't going to quit smoking cigarettes and doing all the things that had given him cancer in the first place.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, throughout that experience, you know, my dad would take a lot of kids in. You know, just throughout our life. You know, my parents were kind of like the town's parents, if you will, and and so when he got sick, a lot of my friends would come over because they were like, you know, he was like a second, the second dad of them, and they would come over and we would just eat, ate some mushrooms, and we had no idea what we were messing with. But I remember there was one specific time where we got these unique mushrooms that were some mexican strain. They were like the skinny ones with like the tiny caps, you know, very different, like the pe look, or even golden teacher look, and I remember we ate a bunch of them and we all ended up like completely leaving our bodies and ending up with this white light, just like golden white light. And I knew that when I there I was talking to my grandmother who had passed away. I was talking to many different dead relatives and at this point I had no idea mushrooms could do that. I had no context for this, nothing. But after that my dad passed away.
Speaker 1:I really feel like that experience changed me forever Because, yeah, I grieved, of course, you know, know, I miss my dad being here, but I knew that where he was going was awesome. Yeah, I knew that I could actually go speak with him whenever I wanted to as well, and so it's amazing to hear how, uh, you know a similar situation with you and mushroom shaped your life. You know different scenario, but very, very similar type. Um, you know outcome and it's just amazing. You know how many things these medicines can do for us.
Speaker 1:You know, not only in our modern day society, to tap us back into who and what we truly are and why we're here, but also how to navigate our own purpose in life, how to navigate, you know, our mission in life, and I think a lot of times, like there's some things that can cloud us over.
Speaker 1:You know, as Hamilton Souther would say, like nonsense that can cloud us over, and I think what these medicines do so beautifully is they just allow you to get that nonsense off of you so that you can really see who you are, without any of those adulterations or any of those distortions.
Speaker 1:And you know, one of the cool things about I mean, there's many cool things about what you do, but one of the amazing things about what you do, man, is that a lot of people are very scared around psychedelic medicines, and rightfully so. Right, there's some pretty wild stuff that can happen during those experiences and I think that if there were ever a world where everyone could benefit from psychedelics, we would have to do a microdosing protocol Like, yes, there are going to be some people that want to go deeper than that, but I think that I feel very confident saying that anyone could benefit from a microdose. I'm curious for you what microdosing has done for you in your own life, knowing that you know you have Brain Supreme and you have this whole brand around microdosing and being able to get the same benefits, maybe drawn out over an extended amount of time. How did you first find microdosing and what have you found the benefits to be in your own life with microdosing?
Speaker 2:So a couple of things. You really touched upon something. So in the microdose coaching protocol I kind of canonized the three ways to approach microdosing. And first is to demystify, so make people really comfortable. Half a capsule, 50 milligrams, you know on a day off. So demystify, familiarize and then personalize. That's kind of the process of microdosing. And you know the macro dose turns on the light in the room and then after the macro dose the light goes off but the darkness is never the same. Like you understand the pattern of the room so you can process your dad's death so much easier because that light literally I mean figuratively got so turned on that you understood afterlife connection, ancestors, so much more peace and understanding during the grieving process. You know, for your dad, like, so the macro experience turns the light on, the micro experience keeps kind of walking you towards that light. And even if you've never had the macro experience, the micro dose still just tiny little steps each day walking you towards that light. That's kind of how I would define the difference between the two. And so you asked me specifically about microdosing and how I got into it. So we kind of know the genesis of how I created it Well. So I did very well in the cannabis industry 2016, 17, 18.
Speaker 2:And then when 2019 came and COVID first hit, the market boomed in California and I had the opportunity to buy farms and literally made the worst mistake of my life. I got out of my lane. I had distribution lockdown. So when COVID hit, we were living in Southern California, in LA, and I've got kids, and I was like reading the tea leaves and I'm like, oh, this is going to be so bad here, let's move to Northern California. And I decided to buy into these two large farming networks like very, very large farming networks with my partner and I was like, you know, it's going to be so bad in LA, it'll be better in Northern California. I was completely wrong. Like literally, they couldn't wait to bankrupt themselves and torture children in Northern California, unlike anything I've ever seen in my life, like complete derangement, that kind of came over them and I just had some like really, really bad luck.
Speaker 2:First off, I never understood how hard farming is Like. Outdoor cannabis farming is so fucking hard and there's no crop insurance and there's so many variables and it's a whole cultural subset that when you're just visiting the farm and hey man, I'm the guy that shows up with the money and cashes everything out at the farm. Everybody loves me to now like living at the farms, work, trying to hire workers, get people there. You know, and then and then, how difficult COVID was and trying to raise kids and you know I've heard your podcast we think very similarly about COVID and I was not going to put that bioweapon anywhere near my children, and so it was very, very hard time trying to be a conscientious parent in an area where everybody was losing their mind. And then we had the first year of our farms. We had fires.
Speaker 2:And the thing with cannabis farming is that you know this better than anyone two, three weeks before harvest, when those trichomes first show up. So for our listeners out there, if you don't know, if you can visualize a high times photo of that beautiful cannabis bud, sticky and purple, a week before harvest, those little hairs and the little bits of what look like dew on the top of the hairs, those are trichomes. Now that means everything to the cannabis game. That's where your terpenes are, which are the molecules of flavor and smell, and when those trichomes are out, they will stick to anything in the atmosphere. So, as an indoor grower like you are, like that's the time of like intense, like scrutiny and making sure everything's perfect and your air filtration systems and so forth, and who's coming into the grow and locking it down? And, as an, as an outdoor and hoop house and depth grower, like you're more the whims of the environment. You can't control them. I mean, you can have some greenhouses, but if there's a fire nearby and smoke blows into your greenhouse or smoke comes into your hoop house, you're done. Your product's going to smell like smoke and in highly competitive environments.
Speaker 2:So literally the first year, I think we lost about 50,000 pounds of smoke damage like everything we grew and you still have hope. So you still grow it, you harvest it, you dry it, you trim it, you spend the money, you pay the taxes on it and then you can't sell it. So it's like, oh fuck, so it was a lot of good money after bad. There's no crop insurance in cannabis, so I had to put a lot of good money after bad to keep everything afloat. And then the next year the market is starting to deteriorate and so, as we're coming into the 2020, 2021, you know harvest and selling season, you know we start to hear the big players in the game like, oh, it's going to be 500 bucks a pound. And you hear that and it's like, oh my God, it costs you 400 bucks to grow it, trim it and pay the taxes on it. Like that's terrifying.
Speaker 2:And then we get the day before harvest. Northern California experiences what's called an inverted atmospheric river, so there was more river in the sky, more water in the sky than in the Mississippi river, so we had 13 inches of rain over 11 days, from the day before harvest to every day through harvest. And we kept pushing through because what if, what if? I should have just cut my losses and literally every single pound molded out. So I was 50 years old and ruined, like I had gone. I had worked so hard to build up my companies and my business and in two years, like I had lost everything, and not just like everything, like way negative, like scary negative. I can't pay my workers, I can't pay the farm crews, anybody who invested with us, like it's all gone.
Speaker 1:And the thing about it is that you know people don't understand. Like just because you roll up to the farm in a nice car doesn't mean you can afford that car anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, it's a real thing. And everything was gone and I was 200 and I couldn't. I couldn't hustle my way out of it. Because now, like you know, used to go up to Northern California, you know, somewhere between 750 to 1200 bucks for an outdoor or light debt pound. You'd come back into LA and you put two or three points. A point is a hundred bucks, you know, and if you come down with five, six, 700 pounds and you're making two, 300 bucks a pound like that's a great living for a lot of people, and if you're doing that three times a month, so historically if you had a bad harvest season you can go back into distribution you could hustle your way out of it. But now you know it got worse than 500 bucks a pound. It went down to three, 400 bucks a pound. You know everybody's just selling at a loss, so there's no money in the distribution game. And then COVID was just so fucking insane in Northern California it was terrible. So I was 263 pounds. I was completely depressed.
Speaker 2:I had gone from funding out the origins of Brain Supreme quite easily, paying my partner to grow and develop, to now like we're desperate I've got no funds to do that and we had. We had just pushed the idea of moving beyond the stamet stack, which is you combine psilocybin with some niacin and some lion's mane through really approaching this as like the ultimate nootropic. And we had just developed, um, we had just developed our, our flagship formula of genius. There we go, and I was driving Northern California in the distro van and whenever we develop a new formula I would take two weeks off to really flush. And I had just taken two genius. And I'll never forget I was I think I was in the Central Coast, more, I was north of San Luis Obispo and I felt my brain go, just click into this higher operational space. And I wasn't stoned, I wasn't shroomy, I just felt like it was almost as if you're an athlete and you've never had water with minerals and electrolytes and you've always pushed through the achiness. And all of a sudden you're like, oh God, like you drink real good water with, like you know, filtered with electrolytes and minerals. You're like God, my muscles feel great. I felt my brain go to this whole new operational level and I was like, oh, there's really something to this, like this is a middle-age hack if I've ever seen one. So we developed Genius and then we really started to explore this idea of can we take 100 milligrams, 150 different levels, can we combine it with herbs, amino acids, nootropics, other nutrients and really kind of create these curated lines and, yeah, it works. So that was really the genesis and when we developed Genius, I really knew we were on something that you can. This is the ultimate form of nootropics and the ultimate form of supplementation. So that's the whole genesis and I was so depressed I'm not really inclined to addiction or abuse or anything like that, but I was 263 pounds.
Speaker 2:My life was in tatters. In tatters I had to get the family out of Northern California. I had lost everything I went from. There's two ways you could be an asshole in life, like by commission, or by omission, like you can be a bad person out to screw people. Or sometimes in life so many things can go wrong that by commission, you can seem like the worst fucking person anybody's ever met in their lives and like that had happened to me and that that hit me really, really heavy. Like you know, I just I wasn't smart enough in business.
Speaker 2:I was a first a football player, and then I was a filmmaker and and then I got into yoga teaching to rebuild my injuries and I kind of like oddly, became this celebrity yoga teacher because, like all the things that made me an average college linebacker, I was slow, weak, jewish, funny, but very flexible.
Speaker 2:Made me like when I moved to LA and got into yoga, like holy fucking shit man.
Speaker 2:Like very flexible. Made me like when I moved to la and got into yoga, like holy fucking shit, man, like you can do the splits and like, can you teach me yoga? So I was like, yeah, sure, so my game in cannabis rose very quickly because like, basically like honest and transparent and competent was the new extraordinary in the cannabis game. Like, if you showed up and you were honest and you did your best and you hustled, people would like throw you work so you can elevate very, very quickly. But my fall was like just that bad and really it was the development of the brain, supreme genius, that completely pulled me through. I was operating on four hours sleep a night. I was waking up with terrors and sweats and I was able to compartmentalize the stress, manage the stress, keep enough energy and mental focus to recreate my life, move, start a new business and really manage to get everything back on track again, and I don't know if I would be able to do it if we didn't develop brain Supreme.
Speaker 1:Wow, dude, what an incredible hero's journey, bro. And you know it's, it's so funny. Man, we, we, we lived a very similar life for years. You know, I I remember that time in the industry. I got into the professional industry, like the. You know the actual industry, not just you know my own stuff that I was doing in 2016. And that was like the golden age of the industry out here in Boston too. I mean it was like and by golden age I don't mean that you know it was really. I mean it depends on what side of the golden age you're looking at, but in terms of like, you know, the ability to have a business, the ability to really crush high prices, like that was like the. The. The golden era, yeah, and then right around 2019, is when I made my exit and I got into coaching and brought back all my psychological stuff that I had done in school perfect, perfect timing, by the way exquisite exquisite timing I know great spirit led me there, man.
Speaker 1:It was so funny too. I don't think I've ever told this part of the story on um on the podcast before, but I imagine people are curious so I'll share with you because I feel like it's relevant to what we're talking about. So in 2019, I went up to mj bizcon to find my own investors because a corporation had bought us out. That was just cringe. Dude, like think about, yeah, I heard you talk about that in a podcast. Yep, yeah, like think about like the cringiest of cringy corporate cringe and that's what took us over.
Speaker 2:And also just for the audience to know, to validate your point like the amount of like stoners and competence idiots, scumbags in the cannabis industry is, you know, it's quite extraordinary. But what, ryan, is talking about? This kind of failed Wall Street type. The start is slimy, sliding in 2017, 2018, 2019. They were the worst. They were the worst Because the scummy guy would take one of your samples for $1,000 and not return it. The Wall Street type would steal $700,000 from all his investors. It's a whole different fucking level of scumbagginess. So I know exactly what you were talking about and I heard that podcast and I related to it entirely. But please go on.
Speaker 1:And you know, one of the one of the cringy parts about it is too, is that, like you know, the typical scummy person like at least they're a cannabis user, at least they're kind of similar, like we could understand who they are like. And, like you said, they're taking very small amounts and it's kind of what you expect in the industry. I think a lot of us that got into cannabis and into psychedelics and whatnot. We got into it because we wanted to get away from the corporate side of life. We wanted to get away from the khakis and the fucking ties and all that kind of shit.
Speaker 1:And when they come into the industry it's just like they they have no place there, they look awkward there, it's weird, and they take you for like $700,000. Right, so it's like it's just like the ultimate epitome of Chad and Brad's. Basically, you know, and the people that took us over, they were coming in and taking out our kitchen. We had got on Conan O'Brien, conan O'Brien one of those big shows for our medicated bar pizzas. We were doing some fun stuff on there shows for our medicated bar pizzas.
Speaker 1:We were doing some fun stuff on there, all dispensary but doing cool shit. They came in, took everything out, whatever, whatever. So at the time, I played the victim about it. You know I was like, why are they doing this? Blah, blah. But it fucking motivated me enough to get off my ass and go out there and start something on my own. And then, in 2020, the pandemic hit. Or the pandemic hit, yeah and uh.
Speaker 1:And what happened was I'd they had been trying to get me to start working weekends. I had been there for four years. I had always worked Monday through Friday that was my thing and they were trying to get me to work weekends and I didn't know how I was going to get around this. But I'm a loophole guy, right? Anyone who's been in the industry long enough we have to find loopholes. So I just kept pushing them off. I'm like, yeah, I know you take care of your mom a lot, cause that's accurate. I do my mom's disabled and she's like you know you should really think about going off on unemployment. You know like they're doing this big thing right now and I don't want to get your mom sick Now. I didn't believe in the shit anyway. But I was like I see an opening here. So I was able to file unemployment and make more money than I had ever made working at the job and start my whole business and travel and do all my certs and everything from that.
Speaker 1:And that's actually what happened, you know. And so now I look back and I'm like thank fucking God that company took us over, because if it hadn't, been the ultimate epitome of everything I was against. It wouldn't have motivated me enough to get up and do something about it, and so I actually am very grateful for them, in a weird paradox. Oh, yeah, because yeah, it's just so funny how that stuff happens, man. But yeah, it's a really funny thing, our stories collide in that way.
Speaker 2:Life never makes sense when you're in the midst of it. It's only like when it gets in the rearview mirror, they'll be like oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:It's always 2020. Oh, yeah, okay. It's always 2020. So funny, man, but yeah, it's amazing, man, Like you know how you were able to take that metaphorical mess that had become your life and create more mission out of it.
Speaker 1:And that's one of my favorite quotes in anything I've ever heard is make your mess your mission. Or your mess can become your mission, because otherwise it's just a mess, right and like. You could have just stopped there and filed bankruptcy and, just you know, done whatever after that and given up. But would that have allowed you to feel safe in yourself? Would that have allowed your kids to look up to you? All those kinds of things that I imagine were on your mind when you were going through that. And you know, even though when we're in it it feels like an ice bath that will never end, you know, even though when we're in it, it feels like an ice bath that will never end. You know, in those moments when we're able to pull together and create that mission out of that mess, it's really the best feeling ever when we start to see the other side of it, because it really shows us what we're made of and who and what we truly are. And I love that part of it.
Speaker 1:And I'm curious for you just because, like you know, as a business owner too that's gone through you know my fair share of weird things I'm always curious to hear, like when you created genius, what was like the first time? Besides what you told me, like you knew you had gotten it when you tried it, but what was the first? Like a positive reinforcement from the external world that like, oh, things are going to be okay and what was that process like? Cause I imagine people listening maybe going through something same, same, but different to what you're going through. Maybe right now they're starting to try a business and it's not working and they're starting to feel frustrated.
Speaker 1:And I really love these stories because there's something that any business owner knows has been in business long enough you're going to face challenges, it's inevitable, but how you persevere through them is the thing that is not constant, right. It's the thing that you get to continue to redevelop and reinvent. So I'm curious for you, man. Like you know, after you got that hit like whoa, we got something here. What happened after that? I'm really curious.
Speaker 2:Great question and it just triggered me to the perfect anecdote. So we hadn't launched the brand yet, we were beta testing. It was actually being called bulldosing. At the time I was just handing out jars and my realtor, where we had moved to, I gave her a jar and she was like, oh, I really like this, this is great. And then she told her sister in Arizona and she sent some to her sister and the sister was like, oh, this is really good, but these are like mom's. You know mom's dress. She gives a sample to one of her neighbors and then this woman calls me and says, hey, my neighbor wants to talk to you. And I said yeah, sure. So this guy calls me up and he's like hey, I think his name was Chris and he's like I'm a combat veteran.
Speaker 2:I did two tours Fallujah and then Afghanistan. I saw a lot of heavy shit. I have two children. They're both vaccine injured. My wife's a vet. Like we're barely keeping it together. I have PTSD, major depressive disorder. I think of suicide every day, the stress of having two vaccine injured kids on top of COVID and what's going on. Like I'm barely together, he goes.
Speaker 2:I took two of your capsules and for that remaining 36 hours, I didn't think of killing myself. For the first time ever in 36 hours Can you send me 900 of them? So, and I had an ongoing relationship. We, we hooked them up with a huge order and just bulk, you know, and in capsules and so forth. And that was the first time I realized that you know psilocybin.
Speaker 2:It has this like pardon the pun, but it has this magical quality to kind of meet you at the level of your needs. It doesn't always give you what you want, but so often it gives you what you need, you what you want, but so often it gives you what you need. So if you're the Aubrey Marcus crowd, kind of like a guy like you, you know highly effective, highly optimized, you get a lot of shit done. You're going to get the five or 10% bump in your life and energy, focus, libido. You know sleep, whatever it might be. But when I have my vets, my PTSD, you know it might be. But when I have my vets, my PTSD, you know people who are really struggling with trauma. They'll often tell me they're 50, 60, 70% better.
Speaker 2:I've heard stories of many vets. Particularly they tell me that they stop having night terrors. I've had a couple of vets who will three or four times a year. They'll attack their wife in their sleep because the night terrors are so intense and those have gone away. Suicide ideation, the major depressive disorder, the anxieties I often hear from that sect. I often hear miraculous stories of how much microdosing and I don't know whether it's just microdosing or if we're. I like to believe, as every brand owner does, that we've got a little secret sauce. But I have heard in my six years of developing Brain Supreme some real miraculous stories, especially from the veteran community.
Speaker 1:Wow that is amazing, man and dude. I'll be right there with you. I've heard so many amazing things. I mean, when I worked at the dispensary, you know I was one of the only people there that was into a lot of other psychedelics as well, and so you know, over time, a lot of the clientele that would come in, because at that point we were only medical, uh, we had legalized recreationally. But you know, massachusetts took four years to start rolling out recreational dispensaries, which is so ridiculous, but another conversation for another day. But you know, as they would come in, you know, if they were working with a different bud tender and they had, you know, questions around mushrooms or lsd or whatever, they just sent them down to me. They're like I'll go talk to Ryan, I'll help you out. And so I would hear these miraculous stories, especially from veterans, like very similar things to exactly what you were saying. You know, and I have personal friends that have gone to combat, come back, been extremely traumatized to the point where they can't sleep.
Speaker 1:Alcoholics, you know any, you know any, which way you know you can think about it where there's obviously something very challenging going on. And through psilocybin, through cannabis, through other medicines MDMA is another one as well. They're just almost completely better. Sometimes I've actually had two or three instances where someone has talked about going into a plant medicine experience could be psilocybin, could be ayahuasca, could be any of these things and coming out like they never had ptsd. Yeah, which, like, is fucking wild. Yeah, think about it. Like, think about you live, you're living with this thing that is constantly on your mind for 10, 20 years or plus, you know, not to mention this isn't just like a. You know I don't feel good about myself, which, yes, I'm not downplaying how annoying that can be, but this is like I want to kill myself, I want to kill my whole family like, really, really traumatizing dark dark, dark stuff and then coming out like, oh, it's like I never had it.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean, that is like absolutely miraculous. And for me, one of the things I love most about this is and I know you'll resonate with this and I know my listeners will too you know, when we think about the pandemic, when we think about, you know, healthcare in the US and many other parts of the world too, it's obvious we're being led astray. Now, whether it's conspiracy or whether it's just, you know, corporate interest, I don't really care either way, but I think one of the things that psychedelics are doing in a very backwards way is, you know how the FDA just didn't approve MDMA, right? Well, one of the things is, more and more people are starting to find out about MDMA, psilocybin, lsd, you know, cannabis, any of these medicines and they're starting to have such miraculous experiences that when they are shared right, and someone who's maybe in a very, you know, typical state of consciousness sees this story about this veteran saying, hey, I don't want to kill myself anymore, then the next commercial is how the fda didn't approve a psychedelic. They start going.
Speaker 1:The fuck's going on here right and it's actually starting to wake a lot of people up, you know, because, like, if we care about our veterans, like we can't have it both ways. We either care about our veterans and we're willing to do anything it takes to make sure that they can get rid of their PTSD, we care about our people enough to allow them to cure their cancer, you know, in a healthy way. We either care about that or we don't. There's no in the middle, and I think what a lot of people are starting to see is that they're saying one thing but they really mean another, you know? And and what a great opportunity for us to take it back into our hands and go we don't need your dumb legislation, we don't need your dumb laws. You know what. We'll do, everything decentralized, and that's the way it's supposed to be anyway. So just really cool how that's happening. It's like a side effect to the psychedelic Renaissance. We care, like you, and I care but the they, they don't care.
Speaker 2:Cancer is a massive industry. Um, I don't want to like we can, you know, go down a rabbit hole, maybe on another podcast, but they want veterans coming back emotionally crippled and damaged, particularly special forces and particularly anybody who has the capacity to train a localized militia. They want those people emotionally handicapped, because it's one thing if you know, if you were a private and a grunt and you know how to handle the stress and combat and and how to handle firearms. It's another thing if you, within minutes, know how to go into your local area and organize a militia. So they very specifically want those people fucked up, addicted emotionally, either physically, emotionally and psychologically crippled.
Speaker 2:And I consider psychedelics at the macro and the micro level to be almost an imperative form of spiritual and psychological defense, because there's an onslaught that we're going through right now. It's orchestrated, it's very important. Let me break it down this way. You know, in some ways it's kind of important to look at life through the lens of COVID, because it forces you to crystallize your vision and realize there's the things that I want to believe and then there are the things that are the truth, and if I don't start believing the truth. I'm going to die, all right, I'm going to walk myself into the gas chamber. I'm going to lead my children into a totalitarian state my children into a totalitarian state. How in the world do you get 208 countries to agree upon a terrible idea to force their citizenry to take a bioweapon into their bodies? That's now killed at least about 20 million people. They're estimating this was organized and it came from a central organizing place, and those people do not have your best interests at heart and those people use the traditional media to propagandize you against your own self-interest. So if you can't, you have to view whether you got the jab or didn't get the jab like you got to forgive yourself. There's protocols that you could do to start to cleanse and so forth, and you know that's a whole separate podcast. I actually coach people on that as well.
Speaker 2:But you have to view life that way Like you have the thing you want to believe, and then there's the thing that's like that's painfully truthful, and the painful truth is that they sigh up the whole world and then they were able to institutionalize mechanisms of enforcement, which is fucking terrifying. So you have to take over your own sovereignty. You don't have to like go Alex Jones and be ranting and raving, but in some level you need to protect yourself and you need to protect your children and your family against what is certainly untruthful. You don't necessarily have to know what's the truth, but you got to at least know what's truthful. And you at least got to know, like, what's deceitful and untruthful. And anybody who was pushing that agenda is deceitful and untruthful or at least so grossly incompetent that they they deserve no position of leadership in your lives. If, if you have a religious leader, a business leader, a governmental leader, any type of administrative leader who got COVID glaringly wrong, I'm not saying don't deal with that person again, but put that person in a little box, compartmentalize it and don't let them have much influence or effect on your life, because this was the litmus test of intelligence and spiritual truth for our generation. And if somebody missed that, don't follow them. Like, don't follow them.
Speaker 2:And for me, you asked me before what the long-term benefits are of microdosing and so for me it's this ability. Look, I'm like a white liberal dude from New York city originally. You know the Jewish guy from New York city. I saw my first guy's kiss in 1979. You know what I'm saying? Like, like all this, like I want to believe a certain way you know, I was raised Democrats, raised by Democrats and so forth Like I want to believe a certain way, but like when I'm seeing who pushed this, who's going along with it, who wants to sign the world, world Health Organization Plandemic Treaty so that we lose all citizens' rights, states' rights, federal rights can be superseded by a global pandemic treaty, and I see like it's the Democrats pushing it even more. I don't wanna get too political because both parties kind of totally suck. Usually the way our government works is one sucks more than the other. Okay, but they both suck. And I'm kind of in the nether regions. But, like you got to be honest, I'm like this is not good, like I don't care about the thing that I previously believe, previously believe, but I believe in medical personal freedoms, I believe in in states rights and federal rights, and I'm going to some organization in Davos, switzerland, you know, is going to supersede my, my ability to to decide what's best for me and my children. Like fuck you, hell, no. And so for me, like microdosing, in some way it fortifies you with mechanisms and emotional openness to perceive what's most truthful and also to increase your long-term empathic ability. So for me, this is the greatest testament of what long-term microdosing has been empathic ability. So for me, this is the greatest testament of what long-term microdosing has been.
Speaker 2:I'm sure many of your listeners had seen before paul stamett sold his soul to the farmer devil, which is a whole other conversation. Oh god, it's so ridiculous. It's just blew my fuck. Those first 45 minutes of the last rogan it was like it was like he was a manchurian candidate. It just broke my heart, blew my mind and fuck that guy. Like you got that wrong. Like the whole body of your work and everything you've done. Like fuck, fuck you.
Speaker 1:You want to make like when you want to make mushroom came out during covid and said the same thing.
Speaker 2:Like you got to get the thing it's like, so silly well, unfortunately, propaganda really works and literally, like you probably know this from from the weed game on your on the east coast, I know from the weed game on the west coast like aging hippies are the worst, they're the worst. Like they all lost their minds. They turned off their frontal lobe, you know, and uh, the trump derangement syndrome got so played on them that they can't make an autonomous or independent decision. It's just like totally shocking. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2:So in the movie uh fantastic phone guy, the uh, there's a lot of talk about the mycelial networks, which are the root fibers of the mushrooms that interconnect the forest, and how those mycelial networks will relay information about the trees oh, this tree could use a salmon belly over here and this tree needs this nutrient and this tree is under threat from this insect and release these chemicals and they release these waves and what I found, what I call the etheric mycelial network.
Speaker 2:Like, like over my time of microdosing, there's like root fibers that go out. So, like Ryan, I know right now that my heart and my head are so connected to talking to you and it's like, oh, now I'm going to give and now I'm going to receive, but like there's a network and my ability to relate, connect to people to, to listen to them with like real meaning and then to relay information that's pertinent, meaningful, like it just jumped to a whole other level. I also know when those root fibers are hitting a wall and just go to another tree you know what I'm saying Like it's not going to work. And so for me, like that's been the most fascinating long-term benefit of six years of micro dosing is this kind of what I call the increase of the etheric mycelial network that connects me to other human beings and nature, but particularly I noticed it profoundly with other human beings.
Speaker 1:Wow, dude, I love that and what an epic, epic, you know statement there with regards to everything you were talking about. Because you know one thing that I I've noticed and I've said this on many podcasts, but for those that are listening it begs repeating, and that's why I'm going to do it the one thing that does not lie in a world full of fake lambos and all the other stuff that's on social media and whatnot, are results. You know the results. Someone is getting speak volumes for what they're actually trying to tell you. Like, you know, when you you know you're a coach, you'll get this, because I'm sure you've been hard sold before.
Speaker 1:When I was just talking to a client the other day who I hadn't talked to him quite a while kind of like a spot treatment here and there when he needs it and he was talking about, yeah, you know, he's going through a relationship challenge. He's like I don't know, I should have hit you up. I I ended up like talking to this guy and he hard sold me and he wouldn't let me get off the phone. And you know, like I just I don't know, I just I just bought it because I didn't know what to do and I'm like, yeah, how'd you feel after that? He's like I felt terrible. I'm like, cool, let's analyze this guy that was trying to sell you like what do thing. So much that he was like, hey, man, if you need to think about it, you need to think about it, it's all good. Like for me, like when I was looking during the pandemic at the people trying to tell me to get a shot and they're eating McDonald's French fries and trying to incentivize me to Krispy Kreme donuts. I'm like those aren't the results I want. So I wouldn't listen to that. The same way, right, the same way to make it very literal, if you were still in the weed game and some guy comes up to you and he's like hey, adam, I want you to invest $100 million in me. And you're like, dude, I don't even have that. He's like, dude, just trust me, take out loans, do whatever you got to do. And you're like all right, well, what have you done before? He's like, well, I've tried seven businesses. They've all failed. You'd be like, what? Like I'm not doing that, why? Because the results don't match the message.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what a lot of people didn't understand and I I'm not saying it from a judgmental point of view. I have empathy, I have compassion, but what I'm saying is I'm very grateful that my whole life I spent developing myself. Meanwhile and this is something a lot of people don't know meanwhile I had a story going for years, adam, that I, that I had bad work ethic, that I was lazy, all these things because I didn't want to go get a real job, I didn't want to do these things, I would much rather find, like, ways to teach guitar lessons and do these things that were different. And I had this whole story that all of this was a bad thing. And then, when the pandemic happened, I started realizing, oh, great spirit always knew what was right for me and I was always being led. And there was this ability of me to just never give into those stories too much, like, yes, they would weigh me down from time to time, but I would never let them weigh me down enough to go get the job, because no one I knew that had the regular life, like the cookie cutter life was getting results that I actually wanted.
Speaker 1:And it took me years to be able to start undoing that and realizing like, wow, I am very grateful that I spent a lot of time fucking around with a lot of psychedelics and coaching work and psychology work to start to like figure out how to actually really listen to my own intuition so that when I was watching people during that and I was getting that, like you know, uger booger feeling inside, I'm like, yeah, this isn't legit legit.
Speaker 1:And then when I started hanging out with paul check and people like that and I started getting validated for what I was feeling and I'm looking at the results they're getting and I see paul, an amazing change maker, incredible community been doing this for 30 plus years, helping people get healthier, really healthier, not just giving the prescription. And you know, I come back when you get side effects right, like the Western medical system does. You know? It's like when I'm looking at someone like that versus someone like Fauci, right, I'm like, well, I want to be ripped, happy in love with life and have a big community around me and only one of those guys looks like that you know, and so you know again, like this is obviously, I understand, psychological warfare is, you know, a little bit more challenging than what I'm making it seem, but at the same time also financial warfare.
Speaker 2:I mean lose your livelihood, lose your job. I mean a lot. A lot of people couldn't. They didn't want to do it, but they couldn't project in the future that this would be. See, here's the problem, I think, until covid and covid changed it.
Speaker 2:We view life through the lens of our own emotions and morality and it's almost an exercise in creativity to realize that, hey, these people don't think like I think. They don't think like you think. In fact, you can't think like they think, I can't think like they think. So now, when I hear something coming down the line about a new war or or a new pox that's going to happen, you know, um, I realized like, oh, I don't think that way and these people have a capacity to think like I don't think. So Let me be very suspect about the information that I'm hearing, cause it's a, it's a whole different, if it's still even human, which is like way down the rabbit hole, like I'm not that kind of human and I'm hearing information from like very, very different humans, like so yeah, dude, I say often I don't know where this thing ends, but I know at the end.
Speaker 1:there's a bunch of heat lamps with crickets and there's a bunch of lizards eating those crickets under heat lamps.
Speaker 1:That's all I know At the end of this thing that's what's going to be there. I don't know who the lizard people are yet, but that's my funny way of creating some comedy within this ridiculousness that we live in. But I completely agree, and a great book that has really helped me understand and kind of juxtapose this kind of idea we're talking about is the Law of One. Have you ever read that book before? I highly recommend getting the real book of it. The audio book is kind of dry, to be honest, but it's three people who channel this mind, body, spirit, complex, named raw because oh yeah, the fifth dimension.
Speaker 1:They're like we don't have any bodies anymore. Let's just all join minds and be one big collective mind. So basically, they're channeling this mind, body, spirit, complex named raw, and raw is sharing with them a lot of the evolutionary, uh characteristics of society and of the world, and not just the world but the universe. And so they're talking about two different positions. You can be in negative polarity or positive polarity. Negative is all about service to self, egocentric, fear based thinking. Positive polarity is all about service to others and love based thinking. And so when you view, like this pandemic right through that lens, you can see like, oh, they're coming from negative polarity. Do I want that? No, I'm in service to others, right? So I'm going to be more positive polarity. But again, like they can only get to us if we choose to go into their energy source, which is fear. They don't. They don't operate on love. It's like a fish trying to breathe oxygen or us trying to breathe water. It just doesn't work. So as long as we can keep ourselves in a state of love and have the absence of fear, we are actually coming from. All that truly is, because when you actually read the whole text, they basically talk about how, if you look at this from a macrocosm, right, like when we're in it yeah, we can see, it is this, right, we're in the movie. But the negative polarity, the bill gates of the world, the fauci's, all those people, they do play a very important role too, you know, and I am grateful for them to a certain degree, because they allow a lot of us to really make our choice and positively polarize. And when you look into the text, it actually says that negative polarity can only go so far before they undoubtedly have to start coming back to the positive polarity, where the positive polarity can keep going forever and ever. And so, in a lot of way, they are choosing to sign up. Or, if we, if we believe in that whole reincarnation myth and everything, they are choosing to sign up to come down here to play the bad guy, if you will, to allow the hero to rise to the occasion.
Speaker 1:So, when we look at it that way, like it's perfectly playing out as it should, but, like I always say, who wins in star wars? Right, the good guys always win, because they're coming from that which is which is love. Fear is the absence of that which is which is love. Love is all that exists, and if you want to talk about hippy dippy way, right. Like you know, love is really what we're all going towards, is the governing force of the universe and it is what is truth. So anything that is a distortion of love is just a lack there of truth.
Speaker 1:And so when you start viewing it through that lens, when you start looking at someone talking, you're like do I feel love or fear when I talk to them? Well, it doesn't necessarily say that they have to be in a state of fear, have to be in a state of love, but it does allow discernment to come through, and discernment, I really feel, is the ultimate muscle to wield here. Because what did we see during that time? A lot of people that probably honestly believed that they were doing the best thing they could. But we have to discern and figure out like that's actually not the droid I'm looking for, to use a star wars term. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So funny, man. Well, dude, you know I'm curious for you, man, like as we start to, you know, wind down here. I'm just curious, like you know, what your vision is of brain supreme, like if I could wave a magic wand and the impact that you're looking to make with Brain Supreme, with everything you're doing, has been made. What does the world look like as a result of being able to engage with Brain Supreme and understand how to utilize this medicine for personal and spiritual growth, for transformation and healing? What's your vision of what the world's going to look like, man?
Speaker 2:Well, as a company, in order to control the level of quality and fly under the radar. As everybody kind of understands. I'm going to get to 10,000 monthly subscribers, whether it's like we have a 30-, 45 and 60-day subscription, and I think we're going to have to cap it from there. And for me it's all about how much impact can I make at the at the local list level? You know, I'm not, I'm not really inclined to social media. I don't get it. I've got some, you know, I've got a partner who's good at it and a guy in India who helps with everything. But like what, I'm really good at our conversations and I've had 25, had 25 conversations, 2500 conversations about how to microdose and and how to coach and how to heal people. So, you know, in terms of a global vision, I mean, yeah, I'd love to have, you know, 10,000 monthly subscribers and we're helping them and we're healing them and we're providing them. You know, if it's a, if it's a type A, you know they're a little bit more loving. A a type A, you know they're a little bit more loving, a little bit more kinder. You know if it's a guy who's having difficulty in his life getting off the couch and maybe he gets off the couch and learns how to performance dose and loves his workout days and his life is rejuvenating. I'd like to make a big outreach to the and we do make a real outreach to the veterans community to help with that healing and that level of trauma.
Speaker 2:But I think in my own way I just want to give a little boost to the evolution of consciousness so that people can live. I mean, look, I'm 54. I've got kids. You know, I hear a lot of the guys on your show and I've been listening to it and I love the wisdom and I love the enthusiasm. I'm like, oh, they don't have children, you know, and it's like it's funny. No, I had a mystical experience with an Indian Swami, completely out of the blue. It's another conversation. But I remember, and I got into that world a little bit, when I was teaching yoga and I had a very connected yoga teacher friend of mine and there was some Swami coming to town and he's like, I'm just not interested in having a guru who doesn't have children, like they don't, you know, like they don't get it, I. So I think, like you know, having had children, and if you fold your own laundry and cook your own food, especially these days. You're conscientious about your food Like you. Only got so much time left in the day. You know, my two boys are super athletes. We do 26 hours a week of schlepping back and forth to trainings and and and practices and weekend games and club this and club that, so it's like there's only so much I can get done.
Speaker 2:So in my own small way, I want to have like maximum impact with you. Know as many individuals as I possibly can Would I like to see you, to see psychedelics take over the world and this, and that I'm very concerned about what's going to happen as the pharmaceutical industry gets into this space, and I think it's foolish to believe that the people who have fucked up everything, the worst business organization that's ever existed in the history of the world, the pharmaceutical industry. To think that this is the people who are going to hand these medicines over to it and they're going to do this in the right way is completely absurd. So, like the cannabis industry, when psychedelics do go federally legal, when the pharmaceutical industry does kind of take over, that's probably when I'll step out, because it'll just end up tormenting me and breaking my heart. But up until then I just want to heal and help as many people on the local level as I can.
Speaker 2:I reply to every email that I get almost immediately, but I put a tag on the bottom of my. I have a signature that basically says it's a point of personal pride and and and kind of our business ethos that we reply to these emails as quickly as we possibly can. But in order to do that I have to use voice to text and I often don't have time to edit or proof, so just roll with it. You know what I'm saying. Like it's, it's mostly going to be accurate, but just you know you might have to interpret it and kind of figure out the punctuation.
Speaker 2:So that's it, man, that's my thing. I just want to help people. Look, I want to have a successful, profitable business. I want to employ 15 to 20 people and everybody makes a nice living and we do good things in the world and we contribute to our local community and maybe sponsor one thing or another. I've got a couple psychedelic coaches that I work with and I'm able to, you know, help them, particularly on the veteran side, with our product and I'd like to spread the message out there. But mostly, like, I want to help people on a local level. You know, optimize and live, you know, a healthier and happier life. That's kind of it.
Speaker 2:I've dropped the grandiose vision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, I love that, bro, you know, and the reason I love it, I mean, there's many reasons I love it. But you know, I had a very similar type of awareness point come into me where, when I first created Highly Optimized, I was like I want a hundred million dollar company. And then I actually, you know, realized, through a series of very fortunate events, I was like what the fuck? No, I want time to spend with my family, I want time to spend with my friends, I want to have time to go oh, I want to go do that and go do that.
Speaker 1:And you know, at the end of the day, there's a certain level of money as well that I believe that when you pass it, it really doesn't matter anything past that. Like, you know, once you hit eight figures and even seven figures, like seven figures, yeah, you could definitely run out of that and you could run out at eight. If you're an idiot, you know, like if you win the lottery and buy cocaine and hookers, yeah, you'll run through it. But but at the end of the day, like if you know what you're doing, you got eight figures. Like you can keep that going, no problem, and it'll allow you to have a lot more time to spend with your friends, family and for spiritual development. You know that's what we're taking from here when we leave. So at the end of the day, like it had, it was a really good awareness point for me to recognize that too. Like all I want is to leave the garden of earth a little greener than when I found it, and if we can all do that together, then we got a kick ass biodynamic garden going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's awesome. Man. Adam, this has been a blast man. I can't wait to have you back on and I feel like I just met a soul brother. Bro, it's been amazing riffing with you. Where can people find you? Where can they find out more about brain supreme and all the stuff you got going on?
Speaker 2:so, oh, we're gonna do well for your listeners. We're gonna do a 15 discount. So brain supremeco best to reach me. I'm at microdose coachco and brain supremeco, so reach me at microdose coachachco. When is this going to drop? What day do you think this will be out in?
Speaker 1:about six weeks, I think so right around.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't even matter. So from the day this drops, for the first 15 days, for your most enthusiastic listeners, we're going to do a 15% discount. Just do sprague 15, s-p-r-a-g-u-e one five. You got it, dude. P r a g u e one five, got it, dude, yeah, um, you can reach me through the website and then basically, brain supreme um telegram, tiktok, twitter, um instagram. Um, I think it's just straight up brain supreme. It'll be in the show notes.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I'm I'm fucking shit with social media so, dude, it's so funny man, I just made a post today on social media about how, like I just haven't fucking wanted to post on there. Like it's just I'm, I'm this guy too, bro, I send everyone voice notes. I'd rather do podcasts, you know. Like, yeah, I don't care to be like, hey, look at me, oh flashy, oh three second reel, like I don't care about that, it just doesn't really matter to me. So I completely understand where you're at with that. But, adam, I have a last question that I ask everyone, man, and I'd love to ask you what do you set you down? Yeah, all right, cool. That question is this so let's say that someone listens to this episode and they're really excited to check out psychedelics in their own life. What is the one piece of advice that you would relate to them to allow them to use the proper discernment in choosing whether or not these medicines are right for them at this particular moment in their life?
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, well, great question. So look, these things are powerful. And so if you're talking, look at the microdosing level, it's essentially a supplement. You know it's a supplement. You're like oh wow, it's an expensive supplement, that you know what you're paying for. I spend a shit ton of money on going to functional MDs, integrative doctors. I spend a lot on supplements and it's mostly like you know, are they working? I hope they're working. Everybody else got sick. I didn't get so sick. I'm feeling good, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:But you put a little bit of psilocybin in your supplement. You're like, oh, I know what I'm paying for. So, but at the supplement level, if you limp in, you start with one capsule, 100 milligrams. There's really no negative contraindication, like literally none. Okay.
Speaker 2:But if you're going to macro or do the recreational level like, you have to be really honest with yourself. Like if you're a carefree 19 year old kid and you know you take 1.5, two grams of a good mushroom penis and when you go for a walk in the woods and you're just smart about the driving thing and you give yourself six hours like you're going to be fine, it's going to probably be delightful and fine. But if you're 45 years old and you got some trauma and there's some sexual abuse and you know you're going to. You think you're just going to lay down and take a macrodose. Like that trip could get very weird for you.
Speaker 2:So before you engage in psychedelics at anything above the microdosing level, you need to be really honest with yourself about where you're at emotionally and psychologically and if you think there's some shit that's going to get unpacked under these, if you have any concern that there's a dark spot you don't want to go to, that's exactly where the psychedelic is going to go. And if you have a coach with you and I don't coach at the macro level if you have a psychedelic therapist with you, it could very well and most likely will be the smartest, best and most healing thing you've ever done for in your life. If you're going to try to do this on your own, it might be completely terrifying. Ultimately it might be good. But just to be really honest with yourself about where you're at emotionally and psychologically in your life before you approach these very powerful medicines yeah, 100 agreed.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean you literally said exactly what I would have said. You know, if you're doing the smaller doses, like I mean, there's literally zero contraindications at that level, like I've never heard of one, even in the research, which is all bastardized anyway, but even in the research they're saying there's none. You know, but definitely, as you get up there, yeah, stuff can get weird, for sure. Yeah, oh, adam has been amazing man. Thank you so much for coming on. Guys, go check out adam's stuff.
Speaker 1:I know I get hit up by a lot of you guys asking where you can get micro doses that I trust that I would actually take myself, and adam's brand is absolutely amazing. He's who I'm going to be getting my stuff through from this point forward. You know you've heard a lot of his. Make sure you go, give him a follow and reach out to him. He loves chatting with people and if you have any questions, he'd be honored to answer them for you. I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Go give it a five star review if you loved it enough. And until next time, everybody, I hope you're having the best day ever and may the source be with you to infinity and beyond.
