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The Mythology in Sci-Fi "V": A Reptilian Agenda
Can humanity triumph over a hidden Reptilian menace? Uncover the thrilling narrative of the 1980s sci-fi series V as we dissect its cultural significance and mythological depth. From its inception as an innovative miniseries to its transformation into a beloved regular series and a short-lived reboot, V has captivated audiences with its gripping tale of human resistance against shape-shifting alien visitors. Join us as we explore the profound themes of deception and struggle, the show's pioneering special effects, and the creative genius of Kenneth Johnson. Dive deep into the heart of V where the letter symbolizes victory—a testament to human resilience against extraterrestrial oppression.
But that's just the beginning. This episode also navigates the eerie parallels between fictional alien conspiracies and our real-world anxieties. Reflecting on chilling portrayals from V and The Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man," we question what dangers await us from advanced civilizations. We venture into the controversial theories of David Icke and the concept of an alien-controlled society, drawing uncanny resemblances to the world of V. Continuing with an engaging and thought-provoking discussion, we delve into the possibility of our government using very sophisticated espionage masks to create maximum deception. Don't miss this captivating exploration of science fiction and its unnerving connection to what might actually be reality.
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Hello everybody, Thank you for joining us on Alien Talk Podcast. This is the show where we discuss all things about aliens and UFOs and, as always, where we push the limits of our understanding. Joe Landry and Roy Olford here once again to seek out the truth and find the facts pertaining to the highly discussed issues about extraterrestrial life and the existence of UFOs. So this is the third show in our series covering the mythology and sci-fi, where we closely examine the so-called truth and fiction to find what lies in the substrate of our imaginations and which may reveal something about our intuitive knowledge.
Joe:In the previous show, we examined the saga laid out in the television series Battlestar Galactica that ran both in the 1970s and in the 2000s. Before that we talked about Star Trek, a movie franchise and television series mostly now on streaming, and today we're going to look at one that some may call obscure, mainly because it's from the 80s and it's none other than a show called V. When we return, we'll take a look at this sci-fi story to show mythical as well as cultural aspects that are ever prevalent in it. We'll be back in one minute.
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Joe:Okay, so Lori V is one of those shows that really hasn't picked up too much in the contemporary sci-fi world since it went off the air back in the 1980s, which is kind of surprising. It had some good plot twists and scenes with excellent drama building.
Laurie:Yeah, Joe, it sure did, and it had become a cult sensation when it was on between 1983 and 1985. And it started with a two-part miniseries that led to regular weekly shows that went on for two seasons on NBC and then it was canceled and I enjoyed watching it and was consumed by it. I was awestruck as an 80s kid and I couldn't wait for the next episodes to air. Absolutely loved the show. But anyway, that's my personal opinion about it. But there was a short reboot from 2009 to 2011, which, like the original, was canceled after two seasons.
Joe:Now, I didn't think that that one was as good as the original, of course, Right and the original had some really great special effects for the time and it was highly watched as a program.
Joe:I remember it was on Friday nights and the network took it off due to ratings and in 2011, the reboot was taken off because of content problems with the FCC and they wanted to avoid further legal trouble. So it was definitely unique in its style and the producer and screenwriter, kenneth Johnson, got a lot of inspiration from early 20th century authors like Harry Sinclair Lewis, who was renowned for vivid and tantalizing descriptions in his writing. Johnson also directed other well-known TV series from back then, like Bionic Woman, alienation and the Incredible Hulk, the one that had Bill Bixby as David Banner. So, anyway, the V is for victory, not visitors, as a lot of us had once thought, because that's what the aliens on the show were called the visitors, but it actually referred to a dramatic element in which there is a human resistance to the overtaking of the planet by those same aliens. As that story unfolds, we find that groups of humans are waging battles against these visitors who, as it turns out, aren't here to visit. They're here to rule and exploit.
Laurie:Yeah, on top of that, they also are lizards and, as we've described the reptilian aliens many times before, they are sinister, with a desire to take over the human race and enslave us. And the ones on V are just way crafty, deceitful, conniving, treacherous, as well as extremely intelligent. They're adaptable and and even shape-shifting. Now, I too thought that the V stood for visitors, but storyline definitely turns to the humans struggling against them, and in many of the scenes they are spray painting the letter V on all of the posters put up.
Laurie:You know that show the aliens as being kind and gentle toward people, which, has we come to find out, is a big lie. At first we are friends with them and then we end up in a fight with them, and I guarantee you that our youth of tomorrow will be going around tagging those who may one day come from the stars, even if an advanced extraterrestrial race does come here, arrive here in peace, and that is their agenda. There will always be human conspiracies, of course, and whenever we do have first contact, some portion of our population will be convinced, and they will convince many others, that the visitors are nothing more than say mass humans created by the US secret space program, and so a rebellion ensues, right.
Joe:Right. So this rebellion you're talking about is laid out in a weird way, particularly with how the plot builds to that point, as it turns out, the visitors were in disguise to look like ordinary humans. Well, as it turns out, the visitors were in disguise to look like ordinary humans. Well, actually, better than ordinary, they looked like physically attractive humans. They wore those fleshy, moulage, tight-fitting masks that gave them very realistic human faces eyes, ears, mouth, hair. And of course, they were nice. They were friendly and benevolent aliens, and let's not forget that they spoke perfect English. They also had typical American names Diana, lydia, john, nothing sounding, say, sumerian, like Ninurta or Durmaz, nothing alien sounding.
Joe:They came to Earth from a planet in the system of the star Sirius in search of natural resources here that are in great abundance, mainly water, which on their world was in dire depletion. Now, the imagery right there should bring to mind the African gnomos. They are the water gods believed by the Dogon tribe that have come to earth in the distant past from the star Sirius B, and they are depicted much in the same way as the anunnaki, and that they are representative of the divine in the minds of the ancients, by teaching mankind the special types of knowledge, astronomy, mathematics, music, writing. That made us who we are. That made us the in advance as a species. And, according to the dogon people, these beings were reptilian in their appearance and needed water.
Laurie:Yeah, that's right. And they were also believed to have come from the sky into the water, or they splashed down into the water and from there they came ashore to teach those tools for civilization building. And they were amphibious. And there is an apparent parallel to this mythology of reptilian beings found throughout our deeply rooted traditions. In addition to being extremely wise and intelligent, they are also extreme tricksters and swindlers. Now in the show V, they initially come to Earth in large saucer-shaped ships landing in several places, california being one of them, and it's much like what we see in Independence Day these big saucer-type ships coming and landing over key points and key cities from around the world. In V they announced that they come in peace, which in the Independence Day that was not the case at all, but they asked for our help. They say they need our help and all they need is some of our water and in return for the water, they will share with us all of their advanced technology.
Joe:Yeah, that right there is reminiscent of Sitchin's theory that has the Anunnaki coming here for a much-needed mineral that is abundant on Earth In this case it's gold and the benefit to the inhabitants that being our ancestors is being able to learn all that they know about science and technology from these very advanced extraterrestrials, which is what, in turn, eventually makes us Homo sapiens.
Laurie:Yeah, and as the story goes, it was all ploy, of course, and they came to steal the water and abduct people, but underneath their humanoid appearance they were reptilians and they were putting humans into cryogenic sleep and transporting them back to their home world. So in the movie, they were smart enough to come in human disguise to not startle us and to gain our trust, which would make sense. And if there is any possibility that we one day will encounter a sophisticated reptilian race with some kind of lizard-type appearance, they could be larger and even aggressive, and just think of a crocodile, for example. It is a scary force to reckon with, and the best example I can think of for an upright walking croc is from the 2015 movie Jupiter Ascending, with Mina Kunis and Channing Tatum. It's more like an intelligent, upright-talking, clothes-wearing mix of a raptor or T-Rex-shaped head being named Tiskalikin, or Tiskalikin a Sargon.
Laurie:So if they wanted to be most effective at subduing us with little or no resistance, they would want to conjole us, and that's exactly what the aliens do in the V-Series in order to try and take over the planet. Now, just like the Sumerian mythology that you're talking about, where the god Enki has a desire for peace and advancement for the human race. So too do we find in the V-series a scientist character named Martin, who wants to coexist with humans and not eat or enslave them. But the aliens also do biological experiments to make hybridized offspring from naming one of the human characters with one of the visitors.
Joe:Yes, we can see all sorts of parallels with this Sumerian mythology and the story the sci-fi movie V, but the theme in the movie takes on a peculiar allusion to also political philosophy. It pertains to how societal and global change can give rise to totalitarianism. Now, there was actually a paper done about this, according to the thesis presented by Dan Kopp in August 2019, under the title Nazi Lizards from Outer Space the Politics, literature and Cultural History of Kenneth Johnson's V. There is a noticeable allegory to the rise of fascism in the 1930s and it's seen in the symbols in the show. There is that emblem that they have on their ships and uniforms.
Joe:Some people might say it looks almost like a swastika. There's that special wave, special hand wave, special handshake that they use and the uniforms that they wear kind of make you think of military fascism. And probably most significantly is the message they bring, which is to unify everything into a world of perfection and harmony. And there's even an organization that forms as the series progresses and it's called the Visitor Youth, which seems to hearken to the hitler youth, which was formed to make revolutionary followers out of young boys. So there is this comparison to reptilians to be in totalitarian. They're not being depicted in any kind of friendly, diplomatic or democratic way as well. They're seen as dictatorial and here to bring rule by force.
Laurie:Right, and that goes to show that right, there is an agenda behind. You know they're coming here, they had an agenda and you know this might be what some alien race in the future has when they come to Earth. They're going to be kind and benevolent. It's probably going to be an empire and they're probably going to try and wipe us out. But with V, like we said earlier, they were eating us or they were freezing us to eat us. Remember that old black and white Twilight?
Joe:Zone episode called to serve man. Um v strongly reminds me of that. Yeah, I do remember it, and for those who are not familiar with it, the twilight zone was hosted by rod sterling. It ran on cbs from 1959 to 1964 and this particular episode it was the twilight zone was a series, a series. Each episode was standalone.
Joe:This one aired in 1962, and it presents a story about a race of nine-foot-tall ETs called Kanimets, who have very large, bulbous heads and they communicate telepathically and their message is to bring peace and humanitarian aid to our world, which is in a national crisis. They claim that their planet is a perfect utopia and a beautiful paradise and that they promise to teach humanity to do the same thing, even going as far as to dissolve the US military. Anyway, as it turns out, the Canamites are luring everyone into a state of peacefulness and trust so that they can harvest them for food to be taken back on their home planet. So the title To Serve man is a play on words. It is not to serve man, but to serve man as serve man up as a meal.
Joe:The show closes with Rod Sterling narrating the metamorphosis from being the ruler of a planet to the ingredient in someone's soup. So yeah, there is that comparison to to V and that you know whether they want to eat us or enslave us, the. The message is that they're going to utilize us, as, I guess, in the same way we do with animals here on our planet, and we eat them and and use them as beasts of burden and I said this before, but this is.
Laurie:This is kind of eerie when you think about even the book of revelation, of how you know I think it's john or jesus talking about how there's a great harvest. He refers to people as harvest, you know, gathering the harvest from around the world to take back to their, you know, to heaven, which we believe could be a planet.
Joe:So yeah, why did I have to use the word harvest?
Laurie:Yeah that's, that's, that's eerie, that's scary. So but right, and V has the same theme to it, with the aliens achieving human trust so that they can, you know, harvest them as food or else use them as slaves, as you said. But I just think we humans may one day be hunted, and I don't mean by the lone natural predators from the animal kingdom, such as the bear, lion, tiger or mammals like sharks or whatever, but I am talking about being rounded up by a more powerful, but I am talking about being rounded up by a more powerful, more advanced civilization that may see humans as delicacies. Just like in V, we too may one day be strung up like cattle and frozen to be thawed and eaten. We may be the backyard grill of a reptilian family one day. I mean, we may be conscious and sentient beings, but the bodies we inhabit, they're meat, muscle and bones.
Joe:Yeah, and that would all really suck. It does seem quite far-fetched, I know, but we also are aware that terrible things do happen. Most species do harm the other ones, even members of the same species, particularly if they are carnivorous, and we know that humans themselves do horrific things to one another, up to and including eating of flesh. We've all heard of cannibalism, right, and humanity is a pretty vulnerable position right now, and I guess you can say they always have been, but I mean sure within the past century. Let's look at all of our technological advancement, all the things that have made our lives easier and more worthwhile, more comforts, more conveniences, more basic needs being met. We still always seem to be on the brink of a disaster where the premonition is far worse than it ever has been. Life has gotten better because of our progress, but the threat to our survival and even our existence has gotten way way worse than it ever has. And the modern mechanized wars, uh, that have happened, uh, they do indeed show that to be the case.
Laurie:Yeah, with the inflammation of drones and everything now and all these videos that we're watching of drones killing soldiers and all that. And you're right, I mean, humans are so conniving and I don't know what it's going to take for us to actually come to peace and stop killing one another. Maybe it will take some outside interference, but even then there's a lot of hope lost for humanity. But I mean, well into the Middle Ages there were continual wars where thousands of people died. When World War I came about, the death toll was 40 million just in that one war. And then World War II, only about 25 years after that, with another 70 million plus and 6 million in the Holocaust.
Laurie:So yeah, life has gotten easier for us in many ways, but the propensity for destruction has been magnified about a thousandfold. Even now we are on the brink of what seems to be World War III. If there is ever a time to come together, it is now. If we were to know what may lie ahead of us, we could and should be prepared, not to mention united. Instead, we seem to find new ways for us to become divided, I would say almost on a daily basis. So we're definitely not making our problems go away. In fact, we're adding to them.
Laurie:Just look at how many people were killed this past year in the conflicts between Russia and Ukraine and, most recently, israel and Hamas, between Russia and Ukraine and, most recently, israel and Hamas. I mean we don't stop, and I believe the only way we will cease the killing of one another is when we are faced with our own annihilation, our species, by a much more powerful and superior, and it has to be extraterrestrial race out there that's going to do that. That's going to be our bully, and that's why we're in this vulnerable position is because the world isn't going to trust another human. The new leader, well, it would have to be someone from another world that's going to come and swoo us and show us all these things and offer us all these things, and I mean it could be. It could be good intentions, or it could be the worst of intentions, who knows?
Joe:Well, in the storyline of V, the aliens, or the visitors, come to do that very thing. At least that is how it seems in the beginning. They not only bring their technology, they bring order and and an ideology that friendship and peace are universal and that different species from different planets can coexist in a productive symbiosis. That certainly sounds great, but the whole thing is based on an intrinsic deception, both in the ideology and in the ones who are carrying it out. The visitors are concealing who they really are underneath the visible layer, both in what they look like and in what they want. Like I mentioned earlier, the aliens are here to start a new world order, just like we heard before from just about every governmental regime on Earth, and in the show the main plot unfolds.
Joe:We see that people are becoming indoctrinated to believe things that are not true, and this is a pretty interesting analogy, especially with the way things are going today.
Joe:It's an interesting analogy to see how people take part in political and social movements, and in the show people are being taught to trust the visitors and to believe that they have come to help us. Anyone who is questioning that like that one scientist, actually a group of scientists who are very skeptical and trying to show that there's evidence to discredit what is being taught by the visitors visitors, in this case, those scientists are silenced, canceled out or even taken away, just like we saw happen with Nazi Germany. In fact, there was even a character on the series who was a grandfather. He was a survivor of the Jewish Holocaust. He's very skeptical about the visitors and their message of unity and rule of law and rule of order, and his grandson is actually one of the people who joined the visitor youth and this disturbs him very much because he remembers the story of the Hitler youth and he thinks that this is very much the same thing.
Laurie:Yeah, I remember that episode and you're right, and we see a lot of that. I think what we're seeing today is, I think we're preparing for that same thing, even in today, with the youth and all the anarchy that we've been seeing, with all the Antifa and those types of groups, those uh, you know types of groups. But, you know, looking at it from a modern day perspective, it makes some sense of the whole alien phenomenon. Is is becoming more and more prevalent in today's society and we think about that movie. They live with, uh, roddy piper, the uh, the zombie slash, reptilian type aliens that also walk among humans disguised as them, and I sent you an article by someone from um har Harvard explaining how they declaimed aliens are walking among us, right, right, I saw that yeah.
Laurie:So that was in an article by science reporter Jess Thompson for newsweekcom titled aliens may already live on earth.
Laurie:Harvard researchers say so.
Laurie:When I saw that I was like huh, so this was just dated just a week of June 14th 2024.
Laurie:The news piece says that a paper by Harvard researchers says that life forms from other worlds could be living underground on Earth or within the moon and that UFOs and other unidentified anomalous phenomena UAPs, may be evidence of them getting around.
Laurie:And it elaborated by saying that in this particular paper they discussed several theories about how aliens may be walking undetected among us, which is known as the human you know crypto terrestrials theory that suggests there may be an ancient human civilization more technologically advanced in us that survived, or that may be a non-human civilization that may have evolved into unknown intelligent dinosaurs. Unknown intelligent dinosaurs. Now there's a chilling conspiracy theory out there which suggests that some of the famous celebrities and world leaders are some kind of lizard creature, sometimes called saurians, that are underneath human skin. So this was really trusted into the limelight in the past 10 years by we all know him by now the former British sportscaster named David Icke, who has claimed that certain Western political leaders like George Bush and Klaus Schwab and Queen Elizabeth are exactly nothing more than lizard aliens who are the ones controlling the world and its economy.
Joe:Yeah, you might need to also throw Mark Zuckerberg in with that batch economy. Yeah, you might need to also throw Mark Zuckerberg in with that batch yeah. For those who don't know of him, david Icke is a conspiracy theorist and an author who, in recent years, has put forward a notion that paranormal events, psychic activity, alien interdimensionality and secret societies like the Illuminati are what is controlling everything even now as we speak, like the Illuminati are what is controlling everything even now as we speak. And one of the things he has claimed is that reptilian beings are in human disguise or in shapeshifted form and are responsible for so much havoc being wreaked upon everything. Just like is played out in B, where we see this Orwellian way of life being brought upon humanity by aliens who become our new rulers and bring about, like I said, the rule of law, the rule of order, but also the suppression of freedom Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of press, all those constitutional rights that we hold core to our democracy and our republic to our democracy and our republic.
Laurie:It makes you wonder if all that will go away. When, say, the Anunnaki return? If they are reptilian beings, all what we have fought for and established may all day one day go away and we may be under the rule of a tyrant extraterrestrial race. You know, what pretty much is being described here is the whole Rutilian race. And then there's Thompson's article. Says that this idea is likely to be regarded skeptically by most scientists and that we should argue this possibility and not dismiss it, but that it deserves genuine consideration in a spirit of epistemic humility and openness. So here's a story to expound upon.
Laurie:A few weeks ago or so ago on the PBD podcast, they were talking about President Joe Biden wearing a mask and they were questioning whether or not he has some type of body double. Because if you watch a clip of Biden talking, he is very coherent. I think he's on some type of news program doing an interview, but a week or so, maybe longer, prior to that he was mumbling and he looked old and frail. Totally different person, it seemed. But in a later video it looks like he is wearing some type of mask, because you can see what looks like a different skin tone on his neck, just below his Adam's apple. Now this, of course, could be AI-generated or whatever. We can't rule that out. But you know, given the differences in the two videos, it makes one wonder, because when you look at the neck it looks like it's actually moving. You know, between the two skin tones.
Joe:Yeah, and you know this was brought up by someone named Jonah Mendez, a sort of master of disguise for the CIA. So there's this image that just surfaced recently she's holding up a mask that she once wore while talking to President George Bush Sr. Ok, she was talking to him and he didn't even realize it was a person in a mask, and that was back in the early 90s. So some of the material used for the moulage that forms these masks are indeed very realistic and convincing. Performers and live stage theaters have used them for many, many years to get into their character.
Laurie:Exactly so. It makes you wonder what they have now that may be even more sophisticated to improve the appearance and make it lifelike. Jonah Mendez. She's talking in a clip saying and this is her quote, I think it's one of those almost like a TED Talk or something like that where she's on the stage and anyway she's talking to a group of people and and she says we invented a whole new genre of masks, masks that are so good, that are so realistic that you can actually get up close and have personal contact with someone for an extended period of time. So if they're good enough to fool the president of the United States in a briefing at the Oval Office, then they are designed well enough to trick anyone. Cia officials are actually saying that these masks are the beginning of a whole new type of intelligence and espionage work going on and that they can essentially make a doppelganger a twin image out of anyone in the world. Essentially make a doppelganger a twin image out of anyone in the world.
Joe:Well, if that's so, then that would actually lend some credence to V. If there were highly intelligent humanoid reptilians like on the show, then I guess they would be able to devise such masks. That would be quite convincing. One of the things I always thought to be strange about V is some of the acting dynamics. The visitors always wore their masks to the point that it seemed like that was their identity. It was like how they even recognized and knew each other, not from their lizard selves underneath. In one of the episodes, you know, some of the female aliens were swooned by a handsome male alien and there even seemed to be like a romantic chemistry that formed. But it was all with them wearing their very attractive human masks. So to me that was odd, like if you were, it's like if you had, you know, hideous looking people going around wearing beautiful masks and then becoming physically attracted to one another simply because of how the masks look, nevermind of who they really. Never mind who they really look like, who they really are or what they look like.
Laurie:But don't we have that right now with Facebook photos and stuff?
Joe:But this was the 80s and that technology didn't exist, so the best you could do would be come up with a very good moulage and a mask to wear. Come up with a very good uh moulage and a mask to wear. Uh, it seemed like there was something I don't know uh unintuitive about that. You know like, wait a minute, you're attracted to this person who's really a lizard. If it wasn't for the mask, would you be attracted to him that way?
Laurie:well, they're lizards, so they need to put on that, um you know, mammalian beauty and, in order to attract a mate, right Reptilian romance. That would just be wrong. I guess I shouldn't say that Some of them could be listening to us.
Joe:Yeah, so they're out there. They might hear you, Laurie, and we don't want to offend them. No, we don't. Of course we know that the faces we see are the actors' real faces and the lizard skin that is the costume. But in terms of the story elements, in terms of how that goes, it just seems phony and disingenuous, you know.
Laurie:Yeah yeah, we don't want to be on next week's reptilian, some reptilian family's grill. But there is one thing that is interesting to note. It's how the whole series ends. So in the final episode the visitors win in taking over the Earth and the two of the main protagonists, juliet and Elias they send out a radio transmission into space asking for help from any other alien races out there. So it's kind of a chilling finale, but one that reveals that there may be more than just one extraterrestrial civilization that has an agenda for us.
Joe:Yeah, certainly it was a very dire way to end the show with perhaps a very serious message for humanity. End the show with perhaps a very serious message for humanity. I don't know. But I'm glad that, at least as far as that story is concerned, it is all fictional. So that will conclude this show. We want to keep it kind of short today. Tomorrow starts the 4th of July weekend here in the States, so we hope you all have a safe and enjoyable holiday. Be sure to let us know your thoughts on this subject on our Facebook page. We would love to hear from you.
Laurie:Yeah, we sure would, and you can always private message us on Facebook if you prefer, or even go to the chat room on our website at alien talk podcast dot com. So be ready for our next episode, where we will discuss the mythology and probably the most famous sci-fi franchise of them all, star Wars. I mean, what truths will be discovered in this great work of fiction? You'll have to download the episode to find out. And I just want to send a big happy birthday out to my all-American gal, my wife. Love you, babe, and hope you have a great day tomorrow. Love you, babe, and hope you have a great day tomorrow.
Joe:And I'm so glad you were born. Yes, definitely. Happy birthday to your lovely wife. I hope she enjoys her day.
Laurie:Thanks, joe, and just so everyone is clear, these are only our opinions, of course, on this podcast. You're all certainly free to come up with your own about all these movies and we actually encourage you to do this, to do so always and with everything we talk about here. We believe you should do your own research and, you know, come to your own conclusions about all these topics that's right.
Joe:A free mind is an open mind. And, yes, star wars. I'm excited to talk about star wars next time. So until we join you again, stay curious.
