Episode #26

Matthew and Justin talk about Fan-hood, Childish Gambino, and "Training Day"

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We're talking about. Oh, yeah. That album Camp shows No Kids for sure was hitting. And then I saw yeah, I was just tripping on maybe not tripping on, but just kind of reminiscing and looking at the thought and idea of like, this is like, really? I fucking love this album. When I was like coming up, I was looking forward to this album so much and this is kind of like a fork, almost in the road of internal philosophy to a degree. And like the like the theory and like the coaching philosophy Tree of Life that I sort of adapted to because I remember this or that album had dropped like the same day or the day after the weekend of Drake dropping his second album. Take care. Take care, huh? Yeah, They came about the same on the same weekend as Remember Thinking I like Donald Glover or like the idea of who that is in the league, you know, saying, like, what player it is. Yeah, It's like I fuck with this player, I, I'll wear his jersey. I want to I didn't necessarily want to wear the Jersey Jersey because I felt like it was like everyone was wearing that jersey. Yeah, we're definitely been a. Little. We don't like to like the guy that everybody likes just because everyone likes him. Yeah, it's like, you know, we're super just like, don't like why is everyone getting pulled this way? As I can't go this way now. There's too many people going that way. Yeah, I feel that too. A lot. Like I'd never like the Yankees or the Patriots. I think I always thought that was weird. If you lived in like Texas and you're like, I love the Yankees, they're awesome. Or like Alabama I. Hard Patriots fan. Yeah. What? Unless you're like, born in that area. Yeah or that area I mean. You know I got that with the Lakers because I like I legitimately like the Lakers. And then I would be in Texas and I was like I am a Laker say like I'll bandwagon too. I'm from California and like, Oh, okay. Fine. We'll bring our. Values. I'll let you have it. Same thing people with Peyton Manning, they're always like, because the Colts were different early twenties, they were kind of like, I feel like the Eagles are now, but it's like just a really good team. So a lot of people might jump on bandwagon, I guess. Yeah, I was like, No, no, no. I was born in Indianapolis. I lived right outside Indianapolis. That's me. Yes. That's me. My parents were like there when Peyton Manning got drafted and the city was like. We got a quarterback. Let's go. Yeah, that was like they lived that life, bro. So, yeah. It's different. Like, I can't be a Cowboys fan the same. Like, I just, like, I could. But even in San Antonio, like, all the love for it, but it's just like not I'm never. Yeah, like I saw the Spurs I believe it was last night I we we got Wingstop going into Wingstop waiting for the order and I'm just like watching the TV and it's the very end the last like literally the last minute of the Spurs Memphis game and the Spurs are down by eight or so at this point and like, okay, they can make it happen. Come on. And Tracy. McGrady. Doing it. I've seen crazier shit and then they just proceed to lose and I felt the Yeah but like I want so in that way that all to say that I'm definitely cheering for San Antonio and it's I could cheer for I only have that with the football team so like I'm more of a basketball fan but even seeing the Spurs, like I love the city, I want them to win. I'm rooting for them, but I can't give them the same fan hood necessarily than I can to to L.A., at least for me. I guess I'm. I'm the same way. I have a hard time explaining it to people. They're like, what? You just be a fan. You just like them. I can't do that, man. I want to love a team. You can like anything. I want to give them a piece of me. Yeah, know a piece of my. This. I have so much space. I only have so much hard drive. I could be giving out all my love gigs. Yeah, right. Ends it for me to truly care. Like, I'm really going to go watch the highlights. I'm really going to read the news article, and I'm like, stoked about it. It's just like I can only control so much of how I feel, you know? Like I got to be myself in the middle sometimes. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. And I'm like, Well, my heart cares about is like Anthony Richardson, right? Yeah, Yeah. All of that news I was hinging on that stuff. I'm like, my quarterback. Quarterback is quarterback. So yeah, that's like that sports. Fan hood is crazy like that. Or the idea behind Fan Hood, What is that like just rooting for somebody? Hey, what is that? I thought about it a few times. Like, well, what what are the reasons people will develop a fan hood? Like, why would you root for someone? Would you want them to win? And I guess subconsciously you want yourself to win because you see something in them that you want or admire in yourself or something that you want to emulate one day. Yeah, I think young kids see someone they want to be like, Yeah, that becomes their favorite player. I think older fans see someone that they that they wish they were or that they, like realized I should have been more like that. More like I wanted to see this guy win more and the stories that I saw. But it was always this this guy who I didn't. It was always patriot Tom Brady winning. And so I like to like someone that is like a more of a underdog type. Or maybe you are a Tom Brady. Like there's some people that have just been like, up like their whole life, you know what I'm saying? They were like, you know, there's just people that have been doing really well and then maybe they relate more to Tom Brady. They're like, Everyone hates me because I'm successful. Yeah. And I feel like that bring it all the way back. I felt like that with Donald Glover and Drake whenever they were dropping their albums. Charles Gambino's I was like, I want him to win. I want to wear his jersey. And then I yeah, I felt like felt that. I felt that. I felt that subconsciously when I was listening to the album. Now, as a 30 year old and I was just like, Oh man, this is And now I could I did empathize with him on that one song I was talking about earlier. Kids keep up and then, yeah, that I felt that through that song and then felt that at a deeper level. Then when analyzing and looking at the thought of like, Why did I like this album so much when I was in high school or in college? And then, you know, all that hit, I was like, Wow. Fan, That's crazy. So I love the Lakers, but I can't love the Spurs that much. I want I like I want to I want to take one of those relationships. I love. Them. I want them to end. Of course. Yeah. But it's different when I see like the Lakers, if they were to play each other like a move to the Lakers. I'm sorry. Yeah, to a degree. When it comes down to, like, the head to head. Yeah, I feel that way with any team in the NFL. Not even. I mean, there's not a San Antonio football team, but yeah, there's never a time where no storyline in the NFL don't. Make someone make. You want to lose. Yeah the Colts to lose. No way. I'll never root for the other team. Like I don't care if they're a darling Cinderella story team like. Russell Crowe is fucking make him cry. 3 to 0. Go back home. So the boxes. Yeah, right. There's this crazy like the levels of fan who. Yeah, the levels of what you attach yourself to almost to a degree for sure. And that's why I like, I guess I also like having both things like I like having that like, like die Hard kind of like, what's the word? I'm looking for it. Just like where you love something, even if it's wrong. Like, like with the Colts, like, it doesn't matter. Like, it's just them over everything. It's simple. That's nice. Like you ever like seeing your friend be wrong and you just still, like, defend the fuck out of them because that's your boy. Like. That was all the time. I'm sure it's like a common thing. Or your parents like, you're my dad, not my dad. Anybody's down could, like, say something kind of, like, dumb. And then someone's going to, like who? You're like, someone yell at your dad. You're like, Fuck, no, bro, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And if you, like, disagree with what just happened, that's the Colts for me. And I think that's nice. That's like a certain kind of love, you know? But then, like with I get to be more like there's a whole broad range of people in the NBA and like, where they came from, what their story is, what they play like, what their personalities are like. So there's a lot of like open opportunity for me as a person to be like growing and evolving, to attach myself to certain players and certain times like what they represent to me. And then if I'm like, it's almost like if they're doing well, I feel like I'm going to do well because like I'm seeing something in them that I'm seeing in me. And then I almost feel like I'll just go there with you guys. Feel like the zodiac sign sometimes the way like a Virgos are up and Scorpios are down right now, or vice versa, like the way So, like if if a personality trait is flourishing in the community and flourishing in, like, the economics of Instagram, like its popularity is is going off. And then I have that personality trait in me at that time. I feel like there's something to be said for like when you should fake things and when you should play things. And I see that in athletes when they're like coming, if they're having like a really good season or if they're just really popular with like America at that time, it's like, what are they doing? What do they have going on right now? Can I draw that same thing out of myself? Travis? Kelsey Yeah, right. He's like the most. Freaking popular athlete right now. I mean, I don't know, like, a lot. Of time. Oh, yeah, I was I say on, on the planet Earth right now, he's the most popular athlete, right? It's Christian Christianity. It's crazy, you know, I guess. Yeah. In the world it's it's a different story in. America for. Sure. Phobia Football is big in America, but I guess, yeah, soccer's much more big in a global context. Yeah. Ronaldo or Messi. Yeah, they get like 300 million views with Travis because he gets like 20 million views, maybe 20 million to 60 million. It's never been 300 million. I don't know how it goes, but Taylor Swift. Gets you know what I'm saying? He gets like 200 million. So he's at least 260 million might be right under Cristiano regardless. Yeah, it's crazy. You think about that. People would be popping off in in regards potentially to whatever the hell's going on in the whole ecosystem as things align and this align, right. Yes. We're all moving is it. Yes. Like a do for me too. Like Jimmy Butler was a player that like, yeah, I really wanted to embody some of his characteristics and traits during the playoffs of last basketball season because he was just like pushing through all the contact. I'm trying to win no matter what, what I have to do and try to win. And then. He was. Winning. Yeah, I thought that was Kawhi with Kawhi Leonard when he was popping off winning or one of the spurs in them all with Toronto back to back. Yeah, I remember I. Referenced this. Guy. I referenced you referencing him in one of your songs because someone was like said like, he can do both sides. He could, but you could play the bar and could play the main dining. And I was like, like Kawhi baby offense and defense, you know? So like, I'm here and that's all you like. You like to play with. Like I play both sides of the ball. Yeah. And gave a lot of effort fundamentally strong. And his personality. To Yeah like the quiet killer Yeah. You don't talk much he just gets fucking doves. Yeah, I can clearly see like I know that you identify with that character. You're like, really good at that. It's like, awesome. It's scary sometimes. The bushido blade is like, I didn't even say a word. It's like it. But yeah, we. So you kind of need while you kind of need Kawhi Leonard to identify that thing in yourself, right? Then to flourish it out in a way that's like appreciable. For me to know it more, right? I think that's what like Fan Hood can do. Like you just, you see something in somebody else and you can use that to explore a part of you as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Jordan Peterson saw something about Jordan Peterson mentioning that we have like, yeah, we see things in this world. We see characters in movies and books and whatever, and we see like we can admire someone or we can despise someone and there is like, that's like kind of inherently built into you. Like you usually watch things and watch stories play out. You have like an inclination towards something or somebody or a characteristic that somebody is exhibiting or yeah, a way that they're a modality of character that they're exhibiting and being how they're being. You watch how they're being. And you can either despise it, admire it, or vice versa. That's crazy. Yeah. I guess you should despise things you deem to be like online. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, doing something wrong, doing someone dirty, doing someone in a way that, you know, the fucking other shoe is going to drop or, you know, that you're cruising for a bruising. Like whenever you see characters like that, I'm like, Oh, my God, come on, dog. Yeah, well, but don't. Don't cruise for a bruise, please. Yeah, that's so well put. So it's just crazy, bro. It's like, that's the crazy thing about stories, like, so people will be in a position sometimes where it's like the best thing they can do is like, almost like they're going to end up prison for prison because of the story. But then also there's like levels and layers. It's like even when a good character gets into like scary times, it's like if they can still be like, I think like, karma's so real in movies and real life that if you actually and then you get your next opportunity kickback shitty like you go down order down on a downward. That's also what I'm trying to say is like you can slime might be a predictable to some people but then like you're that's a downward trajectory modality Then like I look at those people and I'm like, that's not good. And then because I put that as what's not good, that's putting me more upward and maybe that's a. More inclined to at least choose the other fork whenever the opportunity presents itself to go down that fork. Yes. Like I was watching Training Day last night, freaking great movies on Netflix. It's amazing. Ethan Hawke. Julia Washington. Yeah, yeah. It's like he gets to a point where like. He had he was. He was like, right in between like Christopher Bruising all day, but he kept like trying to do the right thing even though he was going down this crazy path of shit going on. And it gets like a fork in the road where he's like potentially going to die. And then because he had like, done the right thing at one point during the day, like one of those points comes back all the way around and then like, ends up saving him from being killed more or less. Just Yeah, yeah, right. Isolated in that one moment he, like, ends up, like, helping out the cousin of the guy that was going to kill him. And then so the guy's like, Wait, hold on. You like, you were the person that stopped that. And he's like, Yes. And then he's like, It doesn't kill him. And I think it was the same thing. Like, sometimes. Yeah, like he he probably should have left that situation a long time before he left it. But like, staying there kind of kept him in the cruising for Susanville. But even though he was doing his best in between there, when he gets to those climactic points, the karma happens and then our character is saved. Yeah, your character shot in the face like, you know, say. Yeah, yeah. I guess the other further down on the forks you go to whenever the other shoe drops, that show gets bigger and bigger. The like the it gives more time to fall into like just increasing This is go like better call Saul. Yes. That's causing them. To fuck and it gets like you can't get away forever man. Yeah. You're going to pay the piper. Yeah, you will. That's, that's what that's one of the major motifs in the whole. Story, right. Are really is themselves like, Oh yeah. Doubling and unraveling. Like I'll be more professional. If we do a little intro. We would get, we're going to hop right on in because it's a MJ 38 show. Episode number 2626. Adam Things. Come on. Amelia Ramirez. Yeah, Always. Be 26 In my. Heart. I love it. You're the 26. Love that guy. That's my guy. Emilio Legitimately. Any time I'm doing 26. You think? I think he You. Broke bone broken ribs. I'm getting a first down. I'm getting two broken. Oh. I'm not fit to the one for two switcheroo. Yeah, but I think we're because in a job if where we were going in and we were going in for. Yes, I. Did take. It back up. Yeah. Fatherhood. We have. To leave that subject of it also. Because I want to bring it all back again to I love listening to child is going to be knows camp album the other day I was listening to it in the gym like it had heartbeat on their bonfire. I was like, Oh my gosh, these songs are going in right now. I love it and I love that I loved these songs ten years ago or however long it was. Yeah. It's crazy to think about myself listening to some of the music out, like shake their body party, their board. Shake their body. What song is this? A new guy? Flow Yeah, well, everything else. I have to believe that one. There were. Guys Kanye West going in. The how my basketball team. I was lucky enough to be able to make the warmup playlist that our basketball team warmed up to and our layup lines love our home games. And then that was like, I think the first song on the playlist and it just freaking was like, first of all, way too hard for a country high school backyard basketball game. Like we were like a to a small town school and we were bumpin like the hardest song in the world at that time. Is hip hop in the game. So I know. I got to respect myself. I'm like, Dude, like the music we listened to back then is it's crazy how we were still tapped into like current culture ten years ago. Then here I am. I'm not even that different, you know? Yeah. You know, Kanye said, if you're a fan of me, you're a fan of yourself. Yeah. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's what I get. It does fan hood does. Yeah. Yeah. The admiration and was the other word admire and despise not the desperation but the deeming something despicable. As. Well. But yeah, being able to despise and admire something and given your fan, how did that what do you want to be more like? What are you trying to what character are you trying to embody and be? Yeah. And I think. I spoke with Charles Gambino. I loved I was looking at that. I was like, I love that I thought of him and I could see why. Yeah, we're trying to do it all. That's levels deep. I love that I am a fan of like being a fan of someone's one thing. And then. He, like, explored. That territory all the way to the point where like, Man, I'm so happy. That's the territory that I chose to, like, explore. And who identified with him? Because I'm sure. Glad I got pulled by that. Yeah, some people get pulled into stuff and they're probably like, Why, you know, later in life feel like I was kind of silly to like some. I think people think that I'll feel like that about Michael Jordan. Some people, when they like Michael Jordan, it's about like wanting to be the best, really bad. I mean, he does represent that, but it's like. I don't know. It's like almost Tom Brady or the Yankees, too, where you just kind of want to project, like dominance or project like this winning bravado or trying to like vs something you're not in the sense where as like I see Michael Jordan and I'm just like, I want to be that driven and that competitive and that like, yeah, I will not fucking lose. I want that thing. I don't want to be like just seen as the top of the mountain, to be seen as the top of the mountain. You know? Yeah, I want to become the person who is strong enough to climb to the top of the mountain. I need to be up there. I don't need. I don't need anyone to see me out there for me to know that who I am or who I'm trying to be. Yeah. Cause I'm in love with the climb, baby. Yes. I'm really trying to climb like I'm here, too. I'm looking at who's climbing the best. Yeah. You climb in this mountain of life, you're climbing it really well. Fuck yeah. I get to the top of the mountain like that. Yes. And I think that there's something about fatherhood, like you said, like some people's fan hood is misplaced. Maybe sometimes, like, you're identifying with Drake because. You. Want to. Feel. Like you're, like, in control or like you're above everything. Or like people that want to be slim. I'm like. Y. You know what I'm saying? Whereas like, sometimes I identify as Drake or I fuck with Drake, and what I appreciate about him is that, like the music so wavy that the vibe so they're he's super honest and his bars are like laser beams. When he spin like laser. Bars, he could spit some sharp some sharp objects at you. Yeah. You're like, Oh, that's disgusting. Like being able to basically do that. Some people don't even. It's there for, I guess for everyone, right? Yeah. I feel you. So you're saying that. Yeah. Identifying with Drake. Yeah, I think that that's why it's nice. You're like. I think I appreciate myself for identifying with this thing. Even as an adult. I'm happy that that's the path that I was on as a kid. It's not necessarily true for everybody. Mm hmm. So that's why I think that's what makes it so appreciate it or why you were having that moment. You're like, This is lit. Like, I feel really good about that decision and choices I made and how many places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was cool. Yeah, I stuck with that. Yeah. Him as an artist and an actor and a writer and all that shit. I remember writing about him in college and like, going to see him a fun, fun, fun face, do stand up comedy and a hip hop show that night. Yeah, he was like, you know, Yeah. So the whole thing was just unboxing itself to me and I was like, Man, I really fuck with that guy and like, this type of guy. So yeah, and still hold water today. And I guess he's, he was doing I guess, yeah. What was he doing? I think he's making too much music. He's making different music now. That's crazy because that, that new music, I think he's just called 315, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, the album, it is all white. Oh, yeah. It's not even I don't. Think it's all letters. It's numbers, right? Yeah, it's just numbers. It's all numbers. As in like the title of the album is numbers. And then each each track is like not a name of a song. It's just like 43 cola and 16 and then actually is like 38 or two seven. It's like, Oh yeah. And I think the only one that is not is called algorithm I think word yeah, it's called three 1520. Right. That's where this. Is the White Square for his last album and the 0.00. And then algorithm time 1238 1910 2419 That's the whole two numbers. That's it. So like and yeah, it's, it's crazy because I was fucking with Charles Gambino back in college whenever that was ten plus years ago or so. And then going into, whenever this dropped in 20, 23 plus years ago, almost three plus years ago, three and change it was still like it was able to hit me and I was able to like, identify, not identify with him, like at this phase in his life to a degree. I was like, oh, he's he's taking some super mega multivitamins in his day. I'll tell you what, brother. I think the things that he's seen and the things that he's trying to articulate to a degree in this album or maybe just through his creative expression now, because as much this is much, much, much different than what was put out in college for anyone who's listening to Childish Gambino from camp and anything before that. I think a lot of before camp. Yeah. EP's amazing EP. Cul de SAC is great. I'm just a rapper one and two. Yes. There were some songs that were like great labor of songs, like songs I listen to on the way to football every day. Songs just to like when I was sad about like the high school, you know what I'm saying? Like, but then it was way different at that point that, you know, at 25, 26. The 2020 album. Yes, that's like, yeah, seven or eight years later. Mm hmm. Big John, Big jump. Yeah, it's a lot different, but it's crazy, I guess now I'm even diving further into it. I'm like, Yeah, I guess I really do fuck with this or not fuck with it. But I can. I can see a little bit of what he's trying to allude to, I guess. It's like, yeah, it's like the fact that he had time and algorithm are the only two songs that are not numbers like this. That's what it is, I think. I think to a degree, like though, you're like life is producing the same way that Instagram creates an algorithm for you based on everything that you do. Life is doing the same exact thing with, but like to a one millionth and degree. You know, I'm saying with all your internal thoughts and dialog actions, God, every. Thought. You entertain, don't entertain everything you do and don't do. Say and don't say. Choose to agree with and choose to not agree with and things that you don't look at and things that you choose to look at like internally and externally. Create your life algorithm over time. Yeah. Bold statement. Bold statement. It's not all crazy chaos. We're not thrust into situations and. At. The like, benevolent wheel. Of. Things bigger than us. There's something. Do we have control over or over our algorithm? I think yes, Yes and no. It's like they have. It's all of that. Go on. You can build your habits. Maybe you can build the things that are reiterated over time. But it's hard. It's fucking hard. Damn near impossible. And I guess it's it's kind of that the me saying that it's kind of impossible is tied to the idea in the fact or maybe like the, the adage of habits are like chains that are you don't feel them and so you try to break them and it's like suit so you can control your alcohol, like alcohol. Well, can you break chains and how well can you not get trapped in them in the first place? Yes. Oh, yeah. Clip. I'm with you, brother. I'm with. You. I feel you, Donald Glover. The more I look, the more I find. Oh, that was just like now. Yeah, well. With that, the algorithm, I mean, I'm not. I just wanted more to give you, like, push back on me, like you've gone. Convince me again. But I agree with you. Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Thank you. Yeah. It's much easier to. It's much easier to just say, like, I got put here. Like, life is not that I'm not in control of all this, but I think if we think about the same, the statement that, like now is a product of everything that happened before, now it makes sense to us like that. Like all my decisions did lead me to this place. Mm hmm. I guess there are some things. Some things out of your control. Like, for sure, in the positions. You can't control, your parents can control when you're born, where you're born. Sometimes you can't even control, like, your temperament to a degree. Like, maybe you just get too frustrated at work and you quit. And then it's like the next month and now, like, you're trying to figure out how to pay your rent, you're kind of fucked and you're like, Oh, how did I get in this terrible situation? It's like you had control, but you don't have control. It's like both. And you know what I'm saying? But like you said, you can tap into a more than state where like, yes, I'm kind of like at the hand of what's happening now. But how how good are you of breaking the chain or like rising above that thing? Yeah, that's its own step. Yeah. But you can have a lot of. Yeah. So as much as Yes. Yes. It can enable like it's super easy for things to not be in your control really. That's what the default setting is for you to like fuck all this up and keep finding yourself about to. Think that you're separate from this thing. Yes, that. But then you can have control over the algorithm like you can't take responsibility for what's happening around you and like your choices and your actions. And like you can put yourself in a in a place where you're like, Yeah, all the choices I made and everything I sacrifice did put me here. Yeah. It's like you can control your maximal output or I guess your input for the influence. It's like, yeah, like I think we have maximum control over our influence of the algorithm, but ultimately, I think God kind of kind of takes the cake in so far as what the fuck goes on and what happens. But we could put our place or we could put ourselves in a position and place ourselves the best way that we can through our own influence, through the things that we can't control and we can't input into the algorithm. I agree with that. I agree with that. Because it's like it's yes and no. It's like you kind of yes, you have a complete control, but like ultimately, you don't have any control, right? Yeah, I think that's. Like that's. Why our is so nice because it shows us like prototypical things, like you can listen to a song and it like you relate to it or you can look at a piece of art and you relate to it or you understand something in it because there's something to be understood in it that someone else understood and then put it in a place where everybody's like, Oh yeah, I go through something similar or My life is kind of like that too, or not. Like there is something in the middle that we all feel like a commonality, and I think that's like the algorithm more or less. It's the fact that we're all algorithm ized. You know, like under the. Constraint of. Algorithm, algorithm. Aside. Yeah. And like, that's why Dre can make a song where like there's three or four bars in a row where I'm like, really relating to it. Like, he's going through how is he going through the same thing as me? Like, how does that happen at all? Because, yeah, if it's all random, it's and we're all doing different random crazy things like how is it that I can feel he felt that way about it and he's talking about how he felt this way about it. And I'm like, Yes, me too. It's like it's because I think we're all like, aligned, but then having to deal with the algorithm together. Yes. Yeah. That makes it more real. Mm hmm. You know, this isn't some crazy thought you have. It's like we're all kind of going through that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. We all have our own. Whatever Instagram, whatever that. That metaphor is algorithm. I, I moved over a little bit where I literally remember thinking that, like, what, while scrolling through Instagram and I was like, the things that are going to populate on this feed are going to be the things that I like, like and share and click on and like all my reels, like all that's going to be literally a result of what I put into it right now. And then I was like, Yeah, apply that. I think that was like, like I was like the algorithm, like you control your, your algorithm to have it, you entertain and the faster you continue to provoke from day to day, it's easy to repeat it. Yes, but more and more stuff that's like. A direction thing. We're stuck in today's version of the trope of typical stories, combined with the fact that we're like, What you would have control over is like, you can't. You don't. Your life is expressed in a story, so you can have your influence about like what your where you want to be or what you're choosing to do, but that that's putting you in line to have a storyline where things are going to like come to you. Like whether it be like good things are bad things or opportunity or heartbreak or like karma. It's like the algorithm, I guess, because what would you do with your life if it's like, okay, I have control over the influence of what's going to happen in my life, Like I have the power to do. So it's like, what would you do? Like me personally? Sure. Because it's like it's what I'm saying. Yeah. And I would make a podcast. I'm a boy and make music like a fucking hip hop juggernaut. Would just do me and thank God. Yeah. Okay. Heard. Okay. That's about it. Work out a whole bunch every day. Same way I'm doing now, virtually. So that puts us in the archetype. This is why we like Drake. We are living the archetypical story of what it's like to pursue being an artist, and that is a story within itself. So sometimes Drake's rapping from the perspective of someone who's been pursuing being an artist, and that's just like his life that he's rapping about, but I'm relating to it so heavily because it's like. The same story. Yeah. And that's what everybody, I think. But just like not all the stories next to you are the same, but like in totality, it's like we're all going through relatively the same thing. All the people going through the same thing as you are going through the same thing as you. Mm hmm. And I feel that at work right now, it feels like everybody that's going through the same thing as me is also like going to the same thing as me as far as their conditions outside of life. Mm hmm. Like I say. Just because. Well. Like, it's like we play a really tough game and everyone's kind of, like, beat up by the tough game. Yeah, like, everybody is like, no one really got out unscathed. It's like we're all tired. Yeah. Everyone's like. Well, Harden. And then you look at their life and everyone has like an additional modifier. It's like, tired. And this is going on. Like. Tired and this is going on and then that's resulting in like, it's like we're, we're all kind of having a similar story play out, even though it's different in our lives. Like, just like the stat adjustments, like the algorithm, the numbers. I think the numbers are kind of the same. So like where it's putting us all in this place and I'm like, Why are we all in this? Like, we're all at our floor right now. It's like, Well, why is that? It's like we're all going through the same thing. And then I think that it's like you're all about to get to the same next thing just because this is where you happen to be. And I guess all this to say is like when the algorithm thing struck me, it's like, I think it's really. True. That we do have an influence over what we like and what we share and how we use Instagram, but we don't have control over like the way that Instagram uses those numbers to create the algorithm. I think that's like the God part. Mm hmm. Okay. I love it. Yes. That's I'm trying to say, like, that's the story, Like God is using, like story to, like. Function to kind of show it to us. Yeah, exactly right. That's what I think that is. So we can see it. Yeah. Because if we never saw, like, the play out of it, then we wouldn't really know if it was true of real or how to, like, wield it. Truly, how do they know how to classify it or categorize it? Because we're kind of. Dumb as like a species. As like a species. We're not super enlightened early in age, you know? So we're not like. What has grown up babies. Like other babies being like Matrix. Yeah. Like it's like, Mom, none of this is real. Like a four. Year old, you know, it's have been. You know, it's. We're going to get to that point. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think I was. I think what you said resonated with me a lot, for sure. It took me a long time to get it out of my mouth. I'm sorry. To the viewers, to you. Something work all the way around that thought? Yeah. Yeah. We as long as we get that, maybe some other thoughts with this podcast is about. Yeah, so fucking love child Gambino dog love that I love him, which is cool. And this algorithm shit's crazy. Yeah, you can't. Guys are trying to show us how the algorithm works or the universe is manifesting itself in a way that's going to be giving you this information, whether you take it or not. I think if you you take it regardless. Yeah, it goes either way. It goes like through you or like you're able to like, like wrestle with it. Yeah. Or it just goes right to the subconscious and you ignore or I guess that's kind of like ignoring it, right to a degree, if you're not, like, maybe not ignoring it, I guess. Yeah. If you do ignore something worthless, go. Back into the depths of your subconscious. You have to really, like, not see it, you know what I'm saying? Blind to it. But it goes into your subconscious. You see it, you see everything you do and you respect yourself a certain amount based on what you've seen you do. Even if you don't address that or feel that every day. It's true. Mm hmm. Because when you earn your own respect, it's something you do feel like, Oh, I respect me. Like you have a different brass to your tax dog. Oh. You got a different like, start to you. That's what that word came from. It's like there's, like, a whole like now I know, I know. What's up about. Yeah. The certainty. I think I was. I remember seeing another clip. I'm not even sure who the guy was. Clip on Instagram about a guy talking about. I'm not sure how they were doing it, but measuring measuring frequencies or measuring like vibration of like brainwaves or thought waves or something along those lines. And he said the highest, the highest vibration of emotion. I think they're measuring emotions, too, to a degree. I'm not sure if this is going on. Otherwise, the take away was that the highest vibration that they measured, which is higher than love, was authenticity. That's like being who you think you are and being who you want to be to a degree. Yeah, that's fire. Yeah, I know what that feels like. I know what it's like to be on that frequency. Yeah, I know. Yeah. That's why we couldn't even go there. Yeah, that. Authenticity of it's both. It's like certainty and authenticity. Others certainty. Certainty. Like, you know who you are and you're expressing that at the same time, then that's. And it's a good thing. Yeah, dude. That's got to be the highest vibration. That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fire, dude. Like identifying a high ideal and embodying it or saying that you embody it and then actually doing it. Maybe that's why praise and worship is so powerful. We're doing all three of those things. Higher ideal God, I submit to his love. I've been doing it. Right and maybe that's why it's so powerful in that moment. Yeah, like auto. Auto frequency. Mm hmm. If it's genuine. Yeah, true. Yeah. Or at least at least trying to be. That's the place to do it. Shit. Well. Fuck, that's it. I agree. I mean, yeah, there's times where I feel God so heavily that my eyes water up and my real life. Yeah. Outside of the building. Yeah, sure. But that's not. It's. That happens. It's like it's circumstantially that you go to church that happens right there. Like you plan for that. You can't really plan for those other moments. Yeah, it's part of the fun. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. It's part of the magic. Is that. Yeah, you'll have I guess. Yeah. Before we we got to live recording, you were talking about an instance where you just like something happened and then you were able to connect it back and then connected back into like, a trilogy of, like, coincidence, coincidence, coincidence. And it's like, those weren't just three random things that happened in my life. Day one, two and three. It's like you're able to see things and things play out versus are not verses, but like in relation to foreshadowing and echoes or something like something gets planted and then you stumble on it and then it blossoms into a full fucking plant and you're like, Oh my God, I saw that. I thought like, okay, that was the thing that got planted. And then I did get reconfirmed or reconfirmation and then a full confirmation of like, Oh shit, those things were all in the same line with something. And then also with the echoes, like it'll that same sort of idea. But instead of before the story happening and like those instances happening upon himself, you'll see something and then be able to relate it back to like an earlier point in the story. I like the movie. It's like, What the fuck? Yeah, this is crazy. And that gives it importance. Like I hear a lot of people say a lot of things every day and that's God. Yeah, yeah, that's the algorithm. There's a lot of posts out there. It's like, Yes, you see this one? That's crazy. Well, yeah. There's a lot of posts out there. I spoke to myself about that. One is an infinite amount of things you can think. Yeah. And that's to say, I hear a lot of things every day. I hear a lot of statements and sentences like thousands by tens of thousands every to. Say and things. A ways to act right. Well, used to be in the trilogy that you just talked about like one statement, like how the bookmark in my head, like I literally put a tech in it, whereas normally I probably get rid of a bunch of that. Yeah, just. You know, so many tags. But the tech was that guy's crazy. That was the tack I gave it. But regardless, I tacked, it, you know what I'm saying? And then whenever the bump came up, I was like, I do have a poster for this. Like, I don't know why I kept this one. And then, like, that's what made it so trippy. That's like a place to trip. I say that's in freaking Ethan Hartman like. Like. That's what happens when they have their full circle moment and. Full circle moments. That's another word or phrase that we use to describe this thing. Yes, people do use that kind of colloquially. To. Describe the thing we're talking about. Yeah, I don't know. I have such a hard time and I'd say I had almost as early. Maybe that's it. But most than. A half. Mimosa. Devastated. I got to talk right? Yeah, That's what the guy that's going to, like shoot him is this Mexican dude. And then there's two other guys and he's like, You're not going to kill him. He's like, last attribute. So it is a trippy moment and it's like they're just expressing that. The writer or like the people in the show and then the writer Nacho sorry movie and then the writers of the movie. That's what I was appreciating is how the off the author of the movie like took a moment to make that scene be like, is it life is bigger than just. A whole bunch of random things happening one after the other? Yeah, in the Wolfie the wolf, wolf, wolf, Protect the sheep. You got to be a wolf to lead the sheep like mentality that Denzel Washington embodies, which is like, do the hard time thing, you stupid fuck. He's like, No, you do the right thing. And then in that moment, like the trippy thing was he had done the right thing earlier in the day and that saved him from the wolves then, even though he was a sheep in that moment. And then it's like, how did he get out of that? He's like, That's true. That's trippy. Let him go. It's like he can explain it to you, bro. What a day. Yeah, like. That. And then I was like, thinking about the people, right? Why they take the time to do that. And that's. Crazy. That I guess. I guess partially I'm just like, looking at it from like, the perspective of, I guess both people, like the actors or the scene of the movie. Then also the people writing that scene of the movie. But it's crazy that yeah, even or the writers chose to write that into that character. And that character is like the head of a gang, like all like some type of the same shit, like Denzel, but he's able to do like the right thing to a degree, even like Obey and Higher, a higher order that transcends laws and legalities and all that shit. Whatever, whatever. It was a good thing. Or he saved his cousin from getting killed or whatever the fuck. Yeah, she got jumped in an alley and he thought she going to get raped and then he like, beats the shit out of the homeless guys and then picks up her wallet when she runs away. Then they've got upside down in a bathtub, about to blows brains out. And then he finds the collar, took his wallet, They pull out her wallet and he's like, What the fuck? And then they call her up and then she's like, Yeah, not like this is why play cop like said my life? And they're like. Yeah like, why do you have this? Why do you have this? Yeah. And he's like, I swear, But I could explain it to you. I can explain it to you and then tell them what happened, and then you can see it and Ethan Hawke sighs When he's upside down, he's like, Oh, no, hold on. Like, I have a lifeline. Okay? I get out of jail free card, I hear. Yeah, seriously. And it was just like, then he has to you're like, communicate, communicate where you get. Shot and then. He communicates and then it's like, trust him, trust him, trust him. Like make the phone call. And then he gets in the phone call with the girl, and then the girls kind of line up first. He's like the Jewish girl today. Did you digital? She's like, No, I just go there with all of my classes and you're like, No, no, no. Tell the. Truth. They'll do the right thing. Yeah, The whole way down, you're like, Come on, come on, come on, come on. And then finally, Then he finds out the truth. But that guy was paid to kill this guy regardless by someone bigger than him. And in that moment, like you said. He. Does the right thing, because, like, and that's that's the thing that even in a culture where it's like, as twisted and as dark and oppressive as it can be, and we're the only way, only way to rise above it is to be the biggest wolf or the biggest slime. So, like, there's a higher order at work, it's like there is again to the yang, like, as much as that's the answer 90% of the time, like Ethan Hawke, like, wins, you know what I'm saying? He, like, didn't fold and all he did was do the right thing, like consistently try to do the right thing. Yeah. It's worth it. Worth it, bro. It's crazy. The writers of the movie are trying to get that idea out into the world and we're able to recognize and be like, I fuck with that. I fuck with that part of the movie. I fuck with that a lot. I fucked if I. Thought with the fact that I fuck with that film as we're. Talking about it, I'm like, I'm so I'm so cool. That's like, I fuck with myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having that moment last night where I was like, this shit is. This is like one of my favorite scenes in the movie right here. The shit I love the dialog of, like life, the trip. He says it twice. He's like, Life's a trip. I say, It's like you're going to let him go. He's like, Say my cousin. But that's. The other guy's like this. It should be a movie. And they're all just like a moment of them being like, What the fuck? We were going to waste you, bro. But then the other thing is that, like, Ethan Hawke was kind of cool with them and like, dude, it's fucked up, bro. Like, takes him to the crib, takes him all the way and gives the guy the money for the thing. And then Denzel's like, I got to use the bathroom, I'll be back in a minute. But then Denzel just leaves and he had paid the guys to kill him. But Ethan Hawke doesn't know this for like 5 minutes, and they're like, chopping it up with him. And he's like, they want him to sit down and play a head of cards because they're playing cards. And he's like, No, man, I'm good. I'm just Sean is like standing there just like being hard. Just like I could relate to him in that moment. He's like, I travel so agile. I'm like them right now, and they're like, Come on. I'm on the clock. Yeah. And they're like, Come on, bro. Like, we're not even playing for money. This guy's an idiot. Like, just just sit down us for a second, bro. He's like, Nah, man, I really. I'm good. And they're like, kind of pushing him, but they don't do it in, like, a hostel. Like, they're like. Obviously. They're just like, bro, Like, they really have, like, charisma. And then that moment, he's like, All right, man, I'll play one hand, one hand cards with you. And then like, there's, like, genuine a moment of, like, genuine, like bah bah style conversation between the gang members and the dude. And he's like, you know, when you decide to be a pig man, and then they laugh and they're like, I'm sorry. A cop is like, I decided to be a pig 18 months. Ago, bro. They like. Like takes the beer or whatever or like, starts getting into it. He, like, settles into his hand and they're like, okay. He's like, kind of cool. And then he's like, I saw the new shit. Yeah, right. Oh, so you can continue. Just, just real quick. He's like, how you like it? He's like, Should have been a fireman. I think I'll take three cards. And he just starts having some swag and some, like they get along for a second, you know what I'm saying? He's like, Because if you. Do this day and take a peek of where this where this hat. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking we're gonna jump in. With I want to say like he's new to the to the being a good guy. It's like you decided to be a good guy, and he's like, Oh, even whenever I'm decided to be a good guy, I'm just like, tripping on the fact right now that I'm driving on this movie because it's like the introduction to I'm gonna be a good guy. And then there's high up people who are your boss, who are the bad guy who exhibit that type of characteristic, and he's like new into it and he's like learning real quick that like there's a I'm trying to do the right thing here by being a cop or trying to, like, maintain order, maintain order at the highest level, legal and illegal. And even within this realm, there's a lot of people not doing it fucking right. Yeah. And the people at the top of the being the good guy ladder. So you have to be a bad guy to be a true or bigger good guy. Yeah. And like, does that, am I wrong? Because it's the rookie part. It plays into it too, because they're telling you you don't know what we. Know which which is true to a degree. Why? Like maybe it is like that and. You just decided to be a good person. Right? And he's like suffering with that. You watch him like struggle to cope with that throughout the whole movie. I just realized unboxing this shit with you that that movie is not about cops and robbers. Okay? The movie is a way the movie's lit. Actually. I realize why it's so popular now because it's about higher order, right and wrong. Whom? What's a true good, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And so then. He's playing cards with these gentlemen. Yeah. Being a rookie. Being a. Admitted rookie, I guess. Is that the first time you find out in the movie? This is first day on the job, right? The whole movie is that it's from like 5 a.m. to 5 a.m. It's like one day. 124 hour span. Yes. So like it is he's not a first day is a cop, but he gets put into like a special. Unit undercover or some. Shit. Yes, narcotics. So he's going from street bop to narcotics. And then that's like the whole movie is like he's it's not what he thought it was going to be. And his boss is kind of fucking crazy and he's got to like, last through his first day. And if he doesn't last, then he's going to go back to being a regular cop. And then But at this point in the movie, he had just seen some shit, like he just towards. The end of the movie. Yeah. The shit like, went down and he survived, even though, like, they didn't know how he's going to get out of there. And then he sees these guys and like the first like the thugs walk up to him and he's like, At first he had been kind of maybe afraid of the thugs that put on his tough guy act. But now the thugs are like, kind of mean mugging him, walking into the house. He's just like. More stark. Like, not even face like you said. Like I see shit you should dog. Like, I can't worry about nothing. You know, I'm saying these dudes are trying to get to play cards is like, Nah, I don't give a fuck, right? Like this about business right now, I'm going to fuck. And then I get into to, like, loosen up a little bit and he's like, Yeah, my favorite. Like at that point, he wasn't like a fucking normal club. That's why the. Dudes were like, rocking with him a little bit is because he was more like. Um. Like more human way, more human, like, willing to connect with them. And then I think that's ultimately also why they decided to let him go whenever they that I don't think they necessarily wanted to have to do him like that because he was not, he wasn't like the guy that paid them to kill him. He was clearly not like that. Like that guy was an asshole. Yeah. And then this guy, Ethan Hawke, is like, not an asshole, a genuine guy. This is genuine guy. And then they found out that he had saved his cousin. They were like, not You're good. You go with us, we're cool. You're cool back then. So business, they that's what they say. They're like, Good. Strictly business, bro. Oh, you're not going to, like. Run up on us in the future. Like, I hope we can be cool after this. He really squashed this for real, right? What is that? What is. That? Do you don't try to karmically swing back on me, man. Can we like, just, like, cut the karmic swing back right now and not put any of your intention towards that Like, Yeah, well, good. Yeah. That's a. That's what that movie's about. Yeah. Yeah. And all of the Yeah. The karmic swing back was for the guy that they, who paid them to kill this guy they fucked with. And then also the guy who was going to get killed by that guy. All the karmic swing back went that way because of how they played out, how that story plays out. That's what I've been. Trying to get. Into the stories. It's nuts, dude. It's just crazy and it's worth it to do the right thing. That's over a fucking bot. Yes. Yes. It's like Daniel in the lion's den, too, when he was like, going to die. I don't know. I guess I can't quote that story, but, like, doing the right thing. Oh, sorry. Because Ethan Hawke was, like, alone, frail. Unarmed, vulnerable. Vulnerable, rookie. And somehow he comes out unscathed. Because. He was doing the right thing. Like, it's beyond worth it. It'll save you from unsurvivable circumstances. What I'm trying to say. Yeah, Impossible happened. Boom. That's it. That's how you make the impossible happens. Yes. Continue to do the right thing. Yes, yes. It's so hard. It's worth doing. So that means that it's worth because you can't do it. Guess you stumbled towards the kingdom of God. You know, I think it's worth trying to at least identify what the right thing is if you don't. Because who the who the hell are we to say it? Well, we know what the right thing is about anything. You know, I'm saying, except for people who've just tried their best to do so for a long enough time. And if, like, consciously try to gather as much info as you can. I think part of it is, yes, part of it's. That the. Right thing to do. As in like, how do I maneuver through this minefield? Like, what's the right path to follow? Yes is the answer. But the thing about Ethan Hawke is like he's literally a rookie, so he doesn't know what right or wrong is, but it's like a gut feeling. Like, yeah, we'll be like, No, that's not right. Like, I know that's wrong too. Like his boss in the Washington, like all day. They're kind of going back and forth on what's a what's a right should we like like, for instance, they pull over college kids with weed. Should they take them to jail? Should they, like, give them federal charges? Yeah. How much and if so, how much or whatever? Then they go to like the hood where they're doing like clearly illegal shit in front of them. But because Denzel has like a relationship with them, he's like, able to do more police work. What's the more good there? And then, like, the last one, when he beats up the homeless people in the alley, should he take them to jail or should he just like he just beat the shit out of them in an alley? So like, is that justice enough? And then Denzel, like, really beats the shit up in the alley. Then it's like, okay, if you want to take him, you can go take him. You can do the reports. You give these homeless people jail whatever you want to do. But like I do bigger work than this is not my fucking job. I don't buy staples more or less where he he's like, If you want to roll with me, you're done busing tables, leave this table. And then if it's like, okay, so it's like, what's the right or wrong the whole time? That's crazy. I didn't even realize that. I forgot. I guess Denzel was a part of that. That part of the movie. Yeah. He saves the cousin. Yeah, he's there. Yeah. Dude, dude. This movie's fucking lit, dawg. Which is? I'm boxing this bitch. I don't. Know. I watched it last night either. Like, I didn't. Oh, I didn't, though. I didn't have the energy to watch a movie. I didn't have the time to watch a movie. I like. That movie is like a cult classic to me. But I. I was offended for it. I didn't see it. And so that's what I'm watching tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Where that even stems from. Dude, I just needed something to put on, and I was like, scrolling. I've been in a gap the last week or so where I don't really. I'm watching like, altered carbon again traveler sometimes I really got nothing to watch and then it was just like recommended movie and I was like, bang, bang, bang. Your banger has a lot of bangers on here. The training day. And it was almost like, I know this movie well enough, I don't have to give it attention, which is kind of what I want right now. Perfect hit play. But then all I did was watch. The fuck out of that movie. Glued. And I don't know why they got algorithm. I think it got put in front of me. It's so fucking funny because just repopulated into my algorithm was the remembrance of something that I saw or something that I heard maybe I read online or something, but it was in reference to Denzel Washington taking on the role of that character in that movie. And the only way that he would, because originally, I believe the truth is that originally the script was supposed to end a different way. His character was supposed to live, but he would not be that character if the character lived him. They needed that character to die. He was right. Right? He's right. In my opinion. It's not a spoiler alert. So Spoiler alert. Well, yeah, I've never seen that. But crazy that all of that shit like this and we're just dicing the hell out of this movie. That's crazy. I didn't realize it wasn't. I mean, like, I didn't really. Now, thinking about it, I'm like, obviously when the writers were writing this movie, they had much bigger motifs in mind than cops and robbers, law enforcement, corruption. Good and evil. It's about good and evil at a. Depth added at the essence level. Yeah, it's crazy because yeah, whenever they're both saving that girl, like, it's like the right thing to do. And then there's like even levels and layers within that to the, to the depth and the nature than the aftermath and how to handle all that. Had a lot to think about. It had a procedurally go about it. And he's basically like trying. To cut the corner every which. Way. Exactly. It's like do the right thing to the purest force extent or cut the corner about it. And if that's the fort, most of the time it's like they end up doing like he's like, no, pull out of the fucking car. I'm stopping that crime. That's like fullest extent of doing the right thing. And then he's like, Fuck that. I'm taking both these people and booking them all the way for everything they have for six into the time. And he's just like Denzel. Denzel's more or less like, you can't operate at this level if you keep doing that, like you're putting yourself at beat cop pace. We're not at that pace. Like, and I know what that's like personally in my own life right now as I'm experiencing that growth. Yeah, I'm like, if I do too many small tasks and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I don't get any big test done and I'm in charge of the big tasks. So like I need to fill up my blocks of time with the bigger tasks, which means I can't do all of the minuscule things that it would require. But also you have to do the right thing at every turn. But Denzel was like, I mean, just the the you must cut some corners to operate in this space. Like that thing is real. Like I'm contending with that literally in my life. And so it's like, what's the proper balance of that? I don't fucking know. You know, I say that again like, like, like the, the ability to delegate. I guess that's really what it is. Because. Ethan Hawke won for the. Failure to do so. Ethan Hawke wants to do it with his own hands, literally. And then he's like, There's no one else here to do it. He's like, Well, you don't do it with your own hands regardless. You need to walk away from it other than wasting our time doing that shit. Mm hmm. And that I understand and relate to Ethan. Truth in that there's. That there is truth in that. It sounds slimer. It sounds like I'm trying to say we should cut corners. I'm not, But there's truth in there. But I also relate to Ethan Hawke saying, I don't want to do that at all. Yeah, I want to follow every letter of the thing because that's the right thing to do. It's like, that's why Denzel got to the place he got. It's because there's truth in that too. And that's how you got to be his boss. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like, I don't even know. That movie's deep. That movie's in there. Rosedale Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, because it's like you can there's like, just like this one way. There's one degree of perfect, like, upward trajectory in life. There's one degree of that. And then it could be separated into 360 all the way around and then separate that into the millionth degree. And so you could be off, which by a little bit it's like the devil is trying to cut you down. And sometimes you go all the way back to 180 when you do the wrong thing that you know you're not supposed to do. You know, I'm saying. You totally fucked up so. Hard. I know, because we've been talking about all, all episode, even within one you were talking about cooking. It's like there's cooking and then there's cooking within cooking. The timing. Yeah. You need everything to be timely in and needed to be made in a way that had good timing and that's like one degree and 360 degrees right under it. Yeah. That's gonna be fucked up. Did you know. That they're doing that right? Perfect. Things like Ethan Hawke was stuck on that and I stuck on that. But yeah, that's where you're aligned with what you're trying to align with characteristically. And that makes him a good guy. Like he should really fold on that, you know what I'm saying? Hmm. Mm hmm. Right. Yeah. You want to win the whole time? Yeah, you do. I do. I mean, it's tough. I don't want Denzel to die. To a. Degree. Yeah. He's just so dope. He's so dope. He's fucking him, bro. Like he's. He's as him as him gets too much to like. So much so I think whatever he says in the movie, I'm. He's like, I'm King Kong. And this bitch, like, that's the line for me because I'm like, he is like, he literally is like beating his chest in front of everybody on top of like his mountain while all the planes are like shooting at him. And he's like, You can't kill me. And he's like, Right. But then, like the very next thing that happens is like his karma kills him. Mm hmm. And it's like. Spoiler alert again. But how does that happen? So what had happened was, is that, like, you find out. How he gets pulled up on, right? Yeah, he's okay. Okay. Halfway through the movie, you find out that part of the premise for why everything is going down that day is because he needs his he needs to hit his link that day because at midnight he has to be downtown with a mill or he's going to get he greenlit, like they're going to put a hit out on him. And the reason he has that going to have a hit on him is because he was in Las Vegas and he was getting mouth off like some Russian guy was talking shit to him. And so he just beats the shit out of him for talking shit to him and kills them on accident. So then that guy was a made dude in the Russian mob. And so the Russians are like you What you all million dollar tax bitch? That's your tax for killing a man And like you have connections, you have plugs or whatever. We don't want war or whatever, but you always $1,000,000. Oh, we're going to kill you back. And then. The. That those people who he's connected to in his corruption hierarchy of corrupt money what they do in their gang say like pay the million dollars. We can't protect you. We can't. We need you to take this deal. That's it. We're not going to If you don't pay the million and they come after you, that's. We can't stop them. Nope. That's how it's going down. And then Denzel does his like so that he can pay for his car. Maddox's it's like, elusive. You don't even see that part happen. And it all started with a he was playing cards you said or how how would how did Denzel interact with this gentleman, the guy he killed on accident? They were in a casino in Vegas playing cards. They said that the guy started talking shit. Oh, you don't see it? It is. No, it's just verbally said. Oh, okay. I got. I got. I got it. It's kind of cool that, like, it's literally just his karma. Like, you don't even see. It's just like part of his character. It's like, Oh, he's got some karma that's like going to kill him tonight. He being cruise for a bruise. So, yeah. So as much as like, this guy is dope as fuck and literally, like the coke like, I mean, he drives like this Awesome. Monte Carlo is like hydraulics. Everything he says is a bar. Like everywhere he goes, like the ladies love him, and the dudes give him respect, even though they kind of hate him a little bit. And he's just like. Click, clap what you want. He's like, literally, like doing crazy. Shit with his, like, double dual wield pistols. He's wearing the dope is fit. You ever seen it? It's Denzel Washington. So, like, it's his juxtaposition, but his karma is he's going to die. That's just fact. Yeah. Yeah. Acting, him acting are continually acting in the way that he's acting. And the character he's embodying is leading to his downfall. Yes. This is what's happening with that character. And it's yeah, he's always trying to like they're drinking everywhere they go. And every time the dude's like, now I turn to drink and he's like, Shut up! Because they drink this. Drink this. Liquor is like, Okay, fine. And it's just crazy because it's like Ethan Hawke is consistently trying to be like, We don't do that. And then that does like, we don't. Don't do that here. But it's a full embodiment of like wrong choices almost, or whatever you call it, you know? Yeah, yeah, I guess evil in a more simpler abstract lens, but just yeah, it's not even not the, not ideal as being Yes, I love about it just lying about it and yeah, just being to, I don't know, not paying enough respect to the higher like to not have enough self-control to not be that guy to death, you know, saying. As you say that one of the like sourcing the movie in my own brain and one of the lines that sticks out to me right now is there's a moment that sticks out where he goes into like the the hood hood and he's like basically, like, yo, yo, you don't ever come here alone, bro. Like, you know, about this place is like, yeah, this is well, he's like, Yeah, like, I'd say 40% of murders trace right back up into this cul de sac right here. And, like, it's like, a scary place, right? Like dark lands. That's beyond the air, like where the light touches, right? And then they get out and there's, like, kind of respect, Like, no one's, like, beat the shit out of them or anything. Like, no one's, like, run it up on them. And then he walks up to like, a group of dudes and they're like, Man, it's good to see you, Lonzo. Appreciate you different. My cousin though, some real ass shit like respect or whatever. And for a moment you're like, Oh shit. He's like, Oh, here. And then they walk past him and then the guys turn around and he's like, Man, fuck that dude. Then I do real like, fuck the way he is. And then there's another moment when that that's like a black community. And then when they're in their house with like the Mexican gang, those guys, a similar interaction walks by and he's like, when Denzel leaves, he's like, Man, fuck Lonzo. Like, that's why I never shake his hand, because he don't respect anything. Then no. Respect for. Anything. That's it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That's what he embodies. No respect for anything. You got to respect something. You have to respect something that's worth things, worth respecting, doing the right thing or whatever. Saving that. Saving, saving an innocent person. Saving an innocent person. Then like, almost literally. Got me. Fucked up. Dude. That's deep as fuck. Yeah, like, just fucking tight. So where's all your dissect in Childish Gambino? Dissect Fucking training day for. Real, dude, we're kind of going back. Those are throwbacks to, you know. Yeah. I don't know what day. Yeah, that's in the camp like Friday Had to be had to be Friday so crazy bro. Yeah Friday and I watched. Training Day last night on Saturday. That's when I started. The trilogy Bang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's crazy. That's crazy. I'm sorry, but life is crazy as hell. And also, just to speak on life is crazy, so. Oh, we're deep in the psycho sphere. I'm out here with you all. This is psycho. Not one. On one. Yeah, man. This week on Psycho Night stuff. Also, it's crazy to me because I'm like, Wait, I had talked to you before. The part about how I feel like investing time into me and my dad's relationship right now currently would solve some other problems that would be harder to solve. It's not like you can just go chop a tree down there, like perform an action to solve these bigger problems. But if I, over time invest time into like my my relationship with my dad right now, that'll solve those bigger. That is like it's almost like I need to take medicine for a couple of months. I can't just, like, get a shot and get it out. Yeah, seriously. And so, like, with that being said, then I was successful. That's when Justin referenced like the trilogy that I was dealing with earlier today. It was like influence from my dad. And because I had been like investing in that relationship a little bit more, it was easier to call my dad and just like, tell him, Hey, like that thing you said, like, kind of happened have interpreted two things you said happened, have me trip. And actually, dad, like, I don't know, just call you and horror to anyways and then like Training Day is a movie that when me and my dad were cool, he showed me. I came up to his house and we were chill and kickback on the couch, had a couple of drinks, which we don't normally do. And he's like, Man, have you seen Training Day? And I'm like, No, I'm not like, Dude, Ethan Hawke. Denzel Washington You've seen Training Day. For Raw. And we like kick up the sofas, make some popcorn, turn the lights off, watch Training Day, and it's like a memory of me and my dad. And that's like how I saw that movie. And then I was kind of cool with my dad, had been talking over the phone, and I think maybe that's part of what made me want to watch it right then. What drew it to you? Yeah, What drew. You to it? Right. And I didn't even think about that in that moment, but like, I was just like, I selected it, you know what I'm saying? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And I think that's part of the algorithm thing that I'm talking about, like how things come into your sphere. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Absolutely. So that we could talk about it at this mental level right now. This is while in bow Wow. We're the fourth dimension on. That as well. Yeah, for real. That's that's how things we happen and that's crazy can be No somehow trying to communicate that to us somehow through the album. Mm hmm. Like. That's kind of what we're seeing in the multi meta mega vitamin sphere is those things kind of like it's like, I can't quite make out the picture, but now I'm seeing it more for what it really is, and it's of like, whoa, you know? Yes, yes, bro. It's crazy. The more the more info we get, the longer that we live, the longer that we have more time, more time logged in to this game, we're able to the summit. It's so deep, it's so rich. There's so much to to sift through and to connect. Something that to connect. Yeah, but we're so, so busy. We're so busy. I think that's just part. Of. Like it's a cliche that the youth is wasted on the young, you know what I'm saying? Like as I get older, I have so much more shit to do and I finally understand enough about life to really enjoy it. But my fucking plate is so much fuller than back when I didn't really understand enough about life to really enjoy it like I could now. Yeah, the fact that we have more energy and more free time. Yeah. I just didn't know what to do. More energy to a degree. We've been working out for a while. I guess like whenever you're like, 60 is definitely the case. Yes, exactly. That cliche does reference upwards like that, but I think even at 30 or 40 years old, it's just hard to maximize your time. Like you just don't have as much leisure time. You have like obligations and responsibilities at a really high level. Yeah, you can really put those down all the time, you know? Mm hmm. Back in college, I got put down responsibility like this. Like a cup. I'm gonna go to the. Gym, see you guys for hours. Gotta play ball all. Night for no reason. Yeah, I can't. It's not the same, you know? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Like a cup. It's crazy. Bro. Yes, man. That's fucking wild. And I love that. That's why that movie had spoke to so many people on such a level. And your dad was like, Bro, you haven't seen this. Yes. You need to see this story. Watch this story play out, dog. So right. Now. I thought we were watching cops and robbers because my dad, my like, bang, bang, we like John Wick, you. Know, pursuit of. Love. Yeah. And I just now I'm like that movie is. The. One who told me about that, about other stuff. She told me, like, Lord of the Rings is deep. That's way bigger than fantasy Dragon Land. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And like, ones that comprehended stories were like that. I was like. That was kind of a precursor for me to appreciate. Art is like, understanding. My mom was like, Yeah, I love this. Watch it. It's cool, right? But this is way deeper than what art. Is, or that's what appreciation of art comes from, right? It's just just that just to reiterate that she was like expressing like, like this movie on the service level and then understand that I like this movie on a deeper level, and that's what I like more or less what she thought good art was are like stuff that she she taught me. Harry Potter. Too. Like, yeah, deeper than. Wizards of once. Yes, like The Matrix and motherfucking all that shit. And to paintings. Like yeah I guess that, that ties into the art that I was referring to are like the ability to appreciate are at that level where you're able to see surface level and the sub, the sub surface level, it's like apparent like in movies, it's like a little bit more easy to see where I think in like in music and in part as art, like music and paintings and sculptures and art like that, like physical, like vert, like visual art. Just like strictly visual art maybe. Or I guess you are strictly audio art. It's like you have to there is that appreciation of what that makes it. Art, right? Yeah. Something that gives a picture deeper. If it's allowed to go deeper, then it's like, what do you find that in a way? What is that within yourself? Everyone has that for whatever it is for them. Like we're all kind of feeling it out. And some of these are like, Oh, I can fall into this vision. This is deep. Yeah, that is why I. Appreciate. This. Even on a subconscious level, the things that are critically acclaimed, which I think maybe not like always tied to popularity, but it seems to me like The Shawshank Redemption. Mm hmm. Right. Why is that movie so fucking good? But I think. A lot of people. Watch it one time and they're like, That movie's amazing, but you can't even. Exactly have it to me. Right? Right. I get that feedback across. The board exactly what happened to me. But it's I think that the ability for a movie to do that to someone on the first watch when they don't even really understand you can't understand it because you're first it you know. Yeah. And then you can fall deep into something that is deep, but you can't necessarily fall deep into something that's not. Just shallow, it's just surface level, right? And that's the I just noticed that with like good books, good movies, good art, like the ones that get like millions of views are the ones that people are like this. This is the shit, right? It was so anyone. It's so deep, anyone could just fall into it, right? Because it has. Depth. Yeah, because. It's. It's art. Yeah. Yeah. And the part of what makes it art is that, like, you're telling something that's. That's something people are going to end up relating to. It's like you're using like a lot of symbolism and metaphors and like deeper foreshadowing and like you're telling a really true story that people are going to like, resonate with or they're going to like. When you're painting out someone to be a bad guy, the things that you're painting them out to be a bad guy with like might be, I don't know, man. It's like believable or not believable. And then if you're writing is like, believable enough the whole time, like people become like this, really invested into this. Really? What makes it believable, though? Yeah. Yeah, right. It's like if it's more true or like. Yeah, more true or more likely a more realistic, more, more relatable. It's I guess to a degree. I don't know though, but I see what you're saying because you get the whole time you watch a movie, you're just like waiting for the moment when you're like, Nope, fuck, this is dumb. I don't agree with how that went down. You're dumb. Especially early movies. When I was younger, in movies, I'd be like, I hated how it. Ended and how it ended. Everyone loves being a critic. Yeah. For real? Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. Things are so deep, though, because I think that same thing happened. Me that you just referred to, like Shawshank Redemption. I remember seeing it being IMDB ranked number one movie, Top 200 or top 250, whatever the list is as a number one, huh? Shawshank Redemption. Never seen it. And then it was also my college roommate. His favorite movie of all time was watching Redemption. And then I watched it years afterwards. Eggers are probably like maybe my junior senior year in college and just instantly was like, Oh my God, this movie is fucking incredible. Fucking incredible film. We've got another movie all time, right? It's automatically in your top five. Same thing when I watch it automatically in my top five first viewing, I was like, Well, that's a fucking movie. I know, but you guys are making it Hollywood. But that's our. Real. Yeah, right. That's it. I haven't seen it since. I'm sure if I watched it again, it would be it would hit you on an even deeper level and like, the same way, because I hadn't seen training Day, I've. I've only seen once. So then talking about it with you, a dude like, just freshly watched it, like brought all of it or not all of it. But let's face we were talking about back to me and I was like, Oh man, that movie is fucking deep. I couldn't catch any of that on my first go through, not. Watching it with my dad. I didn't really what was I trying to I guess I did take away that like, like evil will lose, like if you rise to the top. But your, your metaphysics are gross and evil, you will fall for sure. You can't stand on that. Even if you're literally King Kong, you'll die. And I did draw that the first time, but I didn't draw like all of. The. The back and forth with what's right or wrong. Like, it's really written that way. Like they they're just drive it and it's like moment what's the right or wrong thing moment? What's he like? At one point he tackles a cripple guy and puts him in cuffs, but like the cripple guy was like selling drugs. But maybe not. There's no drugs on him. He didn't have any drugs on him. Maybe he just, like, tackled this guy. Wasn't even, like, you're, like, literally, literally harassing someone. Then Denzel Washington takes his pen and puts it around his throat, makes him throw up, which is. Is that right or wrong? Probably wrong. Right If you're a cop. And then he throws up a bunch of drugs. Definitely. At first glance, it looks wrong if you don't know what the fuck he's trying to do. Right. But if you're Denzel Washington, you know that what you're trying to do in this moment, you're trying to me see if if swallowed any drugs, would you did. What you did. So was it. Wrong? Oh, shit, I was wrong. That was right. Yeah. And on top of that, now you see deeper levels. So you wrestling with the cripple guy was the right thing to do now? Yeah. Even on surface level, you tackle the guy in a wheelchair. You're following orders. But also, are you supposed to obey it is against the cops. The code of the cops you're not supposed to take. That's like harassment to, like, make someone throw up. You can't do that. Is that wrong? But it was right thing to do, right? So many. It's like. It's like six or seven levels in one scene. That's good writing. That's good. Art. Yeah. It's fucking Shawshank and Training Day. Insane. Insane. And then. Yeah, then talk about it on the part of you watching, watching echoes with your dad and life is fucking crazy. So I did the right thing, y'all. I promise I'll help you. Algorithm. I know it's cliche as hell, but come on, man. Yeah, I guess I went on this whole diatribe because I was interested in trying to express the idea that we could control our experience a little bit. So whatever that influence we have on our algorithm can bring us more of what we actually want to see. And now. You're right. That's what I want. Yeah. And I think Training Day is of like, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it was just nice to talk to you about. There's zippers, levels and layers to like everything to, like, bring that back to how we need to interact with the algorithm. But maybe it's more so the actual bridge that actually connect is like there's a there's so many choices for right or wrong every single day, like one scene can have seven degrees of what's the right or wrong thing to do. Mm hmm. And maybe navigating that maybe like you do need it. But I would never say this, but sometimes it feels like you do need to, like, find a way to integrate. Integrate what would be cutting the corner or like, not doing the saying something to church. Boy Yeah. Church boy attitude, right? Yeah. You got to. Rely naive church boy attitude. Yeah. That's not an ideal then when you come on, Jordan would say, What? Do you just go to church to go to church? Come on. Yeah. What do you. What do you. What are you doing there? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Fire. Yes. Person who won't contend with. I won't even look at it. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. And you might be good, but not as good as it could be. It was a good day. Because you have a snake in your heart like you. Do. You do have evil in your system. Yes. You have to recognize it. You have to be able to identify it at least. Right. And maybe integrate it into corporate. It incorporate your monster in a way that you're doing good with your monster and you're built if you're built to do that, actually, yeah, that's why it's there. Yeah, but being an ignorant church boy saying I do no evil is a first of all, it's a lie because you have this thing. Being a sheep versus choosing to be a wolf and recognizing, Oh, I am a fucking wolf. Yes, I have to be a wolf. If I'm not a wolf, I'm going to get eaten by the other big bad wolves, dude. And that's so. Crazy. You tried it for Training Day because Denzel tells the boy that he's got to be a wolf to catch a wolf, You must be able to catch a wolf. And then he does become a wolf To catch a wolf. Oh. Yes. Yes. But he can't be the church boy. You can't be a sheep. And that's the last scene. When he won't shoot him, he's like, You won't shoot me. He doesn't shoot him. No, he really just walks out regardless. Oh, he did. He had his camera coming anyway. Maybe there's something about that, too. It's like you don't let God. Take care of him. Yeah, I do. In the end, you shouldn't try to carry out justice yourself, but you do have to navigate all the channels. He did have to, like, pursue him, go after him, get the money back, deal out his his say what he thought was right. He did have to do what he thought was right. Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. Yes. Man. So you had the ability to have your wolfer develop your wolf and use it for good in that movie. So just. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Life's like that. Life's Like that. Gotta live your day like that. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Navigable. But every moment I said when you don't. You want to wrap up on that note for people. Man for show. I mean, I wish we could podcast for another 24. Hours and. We start talking about we just jumped in. Yes, I. Put the belated in. You know, enough. Time. You know, the waters of warm is always when we're we're rooting for you guys. I know that was going on. Yeah. I was gonna. Try to interact with the algorithm or don't. That's all I'm doing now. Yeah, that's what this episode was about. Hell, yeah. But you can't interact with the algorithm. So now you have your maximum influence. I think maybe your maximum. Your maximum influence is enough. At least. At least in my lens, you're actually you have an influence. And if you maximize that and then rest the rest on what we talked about last time, like God's plan are like the fact that like, yes, I have ultimate and complete control of everything. At the same time, I can control nothing. I'm I'm we're a speck on a rock in a fucking vast universe. So I'm like, I think God's got that under control, but I can control my day to day. I kind of have to. This is all me. This is all me. Yeah, sure. You have to. You have to. Life's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. I love that about it. Mm hmm. All right. That's worth doing right there. It's worth it. You'll holler at your next week, hopefully. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving. 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