Episode #43

On this Episode of The MJ38 Show (Podcast):

Matthew and Justin talk about Languages, DMT, and The Cinnamon Challenge

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Languages are weird, bro. You know. Just thinking it's crazy to make music in another language because music is the same in regards to just rhyming at the rhyme. But if you're using a different language than you have different rhyming words, you know? Yeah. Even though our words are pointing to the same ideas, it's like the way that we express them vocally is just different. Yeah. And the but the rhyming is the same. Or the idea of music is still cross culture. It's like we have a rhythm. There's bars, there's like there's like a flow and a pattern. Yeah. You know, saying. It's trippy. I have friends that listen to music in Spanish. Right? You know, like Bad bunny and stuff. Yeah. But also like, I guess, like, I think Bad Bunny is to Drake, but like, also you can think back about like. Oh man. Just trying to think. About like some classic songs like Queen or like 80s music or like. it's like classic rock or it's like hits. Hits. I'm talking about like the big hits, you know what I'm saying? Hits? Yeah. The timeless hits throughout like time that still get played on radio stations and stuff like that. Yeah. Like, what are some of your parent's favorite songs that are also your favorite songs? Because like transcendental timeless. You know what I'm saying? Like Bob Marley. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That'll do it. What's that song? It's like a rose. Like a rose. I don't remember. I don't remember. Every rose has its thorn. That's one for sure. Yeah. Michael's on Facebook. That's great. But anyways. It's. What am I trying to say here? My Spanish speaking friends tell me that, like, the timeless hits from, like, the meta of the Spanish music that they know and grew up and listening to, and I want to say it's like music, mostly from Mexico, but I don't really know, you know? Yeah, they say that like they're like, that's music. You guys, this music is like, all right. But like. That's. Music. Like they, they speak from the soul. And at first I'm just like, you're so biased. Like. It sounds. Like like just like the, the the cliche nature of someone being like, oh, this music is as good as what we're listening to back in my. Day. Yeah, yeah. Stems from the same kind of. That's definitely how I perceived those things. Kind of at first, yeah, when I heard that perspective. But then after I heard like different, multiple different people kind of like expressed to me the same thing about like, yeah, but like bro music in Spanish is like, that's music. Okay? And like, it's so. Crazy because like, I don't know, like I don't listen to I don't have any of the context that need to like, appreciate that music. Yeah. I think that's that's me. And a lot of the, the listeners there, I know. But. Right. You were, you were given information that but. People said, I like I trust you know what I'm saying. And like they're like still listening to that music and mixing. And apparently there's just like, you know, something about like the writing or just like the more passionate nature about what they're saying or if it's like, Maybe vulnerability, like weighs more in that culture. So when it's done, like really well and really right with the music, it's like more touching because that's that's kind of the vibe I get more than anything is that the music is more touching than art. Music, like, it'll make you cry, bro. Like, you don't even know about music, bro. Have you fucking listen to this? And this? It moves. You. Yeah. It's, It's. Yeah, it's like it's that's what. That's what's being expressed to me. And I don't want to be like, I've kind of developed this. I don't think they'd be lying, you know what I'm saying? Like, they know both languages. They like this music, too. You know what I'm saying? That there's something that they're trying to express that, like, I don't know, because I. Don't know the language, you know what. I'm saying? Like, I can't appreciate it. As a barrier entry can't quite get into. Right. And that makes me think about, like, if language is just like that as a whole, like there's just things that can be achieved or, or achieved in certain languages that like, we can't really understand. I don't know what it's. If that vulnerability like does way more and then you hear like something just like someone really expressing themselves in this really moving touching way that like gets a higher frequency of like emotional like God. Is amazing. Emotional intensity or power or impact. Yeah. I'm like, that's pretty tiny. That's that's. Cool. Yeah. I guess ultimately makes me want to know and understand all languages so that I can really know what we're feeling out here, right? As a people. Yeah. What the hell are we all talking about here? Right? What would that be? Nice. I wonder. What. Yeah, if you like, overlap all the languages. Because I know that there are. Languages are many phrases and expressions and things that were ideas that were trying to get across cross-culturally. Everyone has things where there's, like, if we were to overlap all the languages that there's like holes missing in each language, like there's certain things that we don't have words for that people do have words for and vice versa, or expressions like, oh, we don't really have a word for that in Spanish or whatever, you know, I'm saying things like that. Yeah, that happens sometimes whenever you're looking for like a direct translation, you know, like. Well, like, well, yeah, we wouldn't say it like that. Yeah. To express that idea, to get that across, we would say it like this. Right. It's a little bit different. So it's like if you were to know all the languages and see like what's, what's common across all the languages, you know, there's probably one of the most true things, things that we all refer to everywhere. Dude, that's how it's, it's okay that there's there's so much going on with that thought. One thing is like, we can't learn all the languages. Like, I mean, like, my brain. Someone knows a lot, I guess. Who knows the most languages ever. I will look it up. Right now, that. Person is trying to. Learn them all. Like there is that there's a part of my body that's like, dude, just start with learning Spanish and then just move to the next one and move to the next one. We're going to conquer these islands. They build together sometimes to like, build on like, like Spanish and Italian, I believe are pretty similar. So, like, your knowledge would be like you'd be getting better at getting better. Like you become exponentially faster at learning the languages. Yeah. Learning language in general. Right? Right. There's hope there in that. I believe that like, yeah, the problem is there's just so much going on. Dude. And you have to really dedicate yourself to learning Spanish. Like it's not like the we took like 12 years of English classes, you know, and our parents every day were telling us like, oh, my parents are telling me. That's not proper grammar. Or like my dad would just be like, what are you saying? What are you saying? I'm literally, if you can fix your sentence, I'll answer your question and then I would be like, have to think about it, you know what I'm saying? But we have to pay someone a lot of money to do that to us. Now to learn Spanish, which is just makes it like it's like not, not worth it, but it's just like hard to keep that like a high enough priority that you're actually achieving that goal. it's a lot to ask. You only have so many 10,000 hours to give. Yeah. Yeah. You only so much, so much time to devote to anything outside of your work, sleep, eating, family obligations. It's like there's not a lot of extra time left over for your hobbies. I guess if your hobbies include are trying to introduce or include in your hobbies, like, a skill development portion of like your hobby time, a free time. Yeah. Yeah, it's. A big ask. Is that that much the budget? Yeah, I guess so. Here we go. I just looked up. Who knows the most languages in the world. Oh, I know what the hell. And what's the most languages spoken by one person? And who holds the Guinness Book of World Records is Ziad Faisal Ziad. Officer. The officer is. Nasty claims to be able to read and speak 58 languages. That guy's. Brain. That's gotta be nuts. 58. Okay, now the next question would be how many languages are there like total? according to the analog guide, there are 7139 officially known languages in the world. Oh, wow. This guy. Oh, wow. Give fucked. Yeah. Gloves. Kids like no. One's getting close to that. 50 out of how many thousand? 58 out of 70. 100. Yeah, I'm trying to do some quick math there, but. Bruh. 1% is a way like 6% super small or like 26%. Yeah. If it was 7100 divided by 58, I know the other way around 50 divided by 70, 100. That's not something that's, doing like that number is way too big. That I know is reverse that. That's not it. eight. There's no way. That's right..008. Not even 1% of the languages. One out of 100 be 1%, 0.8 percent. So yeah, point 8%. Not even 1%. It's crazy. Who knows what else in the world. Great. yeah. That's ridiculous. We're all just expressing ideas. So there's the thought that. Identifying things. Like puts that thought to rest, or like the new place that I came to and my understanding of the world was like, I can't like, you can't learn all those languages. So, like, there's like this thing that happens where each language is going to be, like written maybe, I don't know, this is a reach, but I think they'll both be. All languages will be rich and poor in something because like, you're able to really express this, but like, compared to the other languages in the matter, like you fail to express this thing with ease just based on like the structure of the way you word things. not any one person, but like language itself. Because I think that there's like, who's. Creating all these fucking languages? People, bro. Rogan people just it's like. Like like I guess within that though, like the people within the community, those like like the council, like the elders or like who, who among the people within the community or the society or the culture or the tribe, the peoples who who comes together and decides. And then. Like, tells everyone, this is our language that we're speaking. I mean, who makes it official? I guess because I guess we're we're communicating a whole lot like it's kind of coming up through grunts and groans and oh. Oh and points. Oh and pointing. Oh, and body language and tone. Yeah. So yeah. Oh yeah. That's expressing something pretty sure. Imagine if they didn't know how to do that. At first they were just like. I don't know like yeah. I guess that angry fucking humanoid would sound different than like a happy humanoid. Just naturally. Right? Yeah, yeah. 100%. Yeah. That's like a dog, you know? Yeah. Care of it. Different types of growls. Yeah, you're right bro. Sounds. But what's the. Okay, so what's the governing body like? Well, who governs English now? Who tells us what's right and wrong? English now, you know, fucking colleges and schools. Let me go ahead. And Merriam Merriam dictionary. Merriam Webster's, Merriam, Oxford. I don't even know. How to read. You hear a bunch of academics make that thing. So probably just like academia. So what governs language now? I don't know, like you said, caveman times, I really don't know. Yeah, it started somewhere. In Viking times. It was probably the church because like, the church was translating Latin a lot. And so, I think that that was like a study, you know, you had to study and learn Latin in the church and then be able to transcribe it and then it was like, definitely one way people were like learning language. and then like when you encounter people from Norway, it's like they all speak one way, like they have a language. But like how that came to be, I don't know, like someone start using Viking slang, like Norway slang and they're like, who the fuck is this guy making up new words inches stone? Him stoned him to death. So it's, you know, right? I don't know, I don't know. It's great. It's crazy to think about. It's almost it's like incomprehensible to do a little bit of a degree. It's like, how the hell did that actually happen? Clue. We just made language happen and we all agree on it. Like we're all just playing by these rules and using these words within a within reason, at least enough to express ideas to each other. And it makes sense. And we can operate and co-mingle and cooperate and just like, like gel with each other or, you know, it's like, I know what your intentions are. I guess we can express our intentions to each other and our expectations. And, I guess I got desire. So. Like what? Like what we're trying to have, like, achieve here is if we're in a world where we both understand what we're doing, like myself and yourself, it's a lot easier to just, like, be chillin. But I guess it's a lot scarier place if you're in a language or, sorry, a country or a place where you don't know the language, don't speak the language, it's a lot harder to get what you want or to like. Now you get what you want. Like in that sense, well, you know, to operate, get what you want. Is it like locate the bathrooms or like fucking whatever. Get from A to B or ask how? What's the simple questions? Yeah. Simple things that we're trying to get here to survive. It's like where's the food, where's the water. Like how do y'all clean things? How do you clean things? Yeah, you have to use your hands. So you'd be like water. They're like, okay. Water. Okay. Like like charades, bro. Sorry. No doubt. Please. I'm dying. Like, that's what it was, though. That's. I mean, earliest times, like when you just, like, encountered someone from a different culture, you would like, then they'd be like, get it out and you'd be like, oh, that's for me. That's water. Yeah, yeah. People invested in learning like the other languages, like. Yeah. It's said that the King of England learned how to speak. I don't know what the Viking language was, but like Norway, Norway's language, which was just different. Like he. Know Norwegian well. Yeah, I guess Norwegian. He learned that language. And then first. First Ragnar learned English, which is like crazy. He was like a fucking a real life actual Viking king. But when he was just a farmer, this is like a real guy. He, like, learned English. And then when he. I don't know exactly how, like when he found, they raided a town in England. The first one they raided, and he took a priest with him back to Norway. And then he knew enough English to talk to him. And then, like, taught that guy, like Norwegian. And then at some point, that priest goes to go stay with the king of England, because the king of Norway made friends with the King of England. And then his priest went to go stay with the King of England. And then he taught him Norwegian backwards like that. And then now, like, culturally at least, like there's some of the only people that know both, what was then, I guess English or Latin, English or whatever, and Norwegian so that they could communicate, like, cross-culturally, because, yeah, they were like writing them and like trying to take their lands and shit. So they had to make like peace treaties and shit like that, had to just. Run it through. Like, all right. Our culture, this is what we're gonna do as a people. We're going to go raid that city. We're going to kill everybody in that city, and we're going to take that city. shit. Because our city we. Need to claim in this fucking land we're doing that. Like, and analogies. None of those people even speak your language. It's crazy dude. Fucking savages. That was like 15, 1600s. Yeah, I know what it feels like now to a little bit of degree. Like learning and practicing and speaking Spanish a little bit, especially to some of the guests who speak predominantly Spanish, which some of our guests do and like being in South Texas and such a lot of Spanish speakers in the area. So it's nice. I guess I know what it feels like to at least try and to receive, like the, I guess the energy you get back whenever you at least express your intention of like, I'm trying to like, learn your language and like connect with you on that level. It's like, it's perceived super well and it's like super well not respected, but definitely, like, admirable or like, oh, like, you're like, you're trying and like, I feel the same way. Like, if someone is trying to learn English and, like, try to talk to me like that, that's like, that's messed up. So I can imagine back in the Ragnar days, back in the Vikings, it was like you come upon someone who's like, not from your culture and they know your language, just like, oh shit. Yeah, what the fuck? Themselves? Who are you? Whoa. That is, how did you do that? Because, like. I'm king of. This. We can do that. Yeah. Oh, dang. It's fucking crazy. It was like seeing a real life genius. Like, that's that's a genius. Traits. Especially back then. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. I know fucking Duolingo or Google Translate. None of that. But the need for survival was way higher. Like, I don't know if they had that. It just seems like they had more force of will because they had to fucking literally like survive every day. Whereas we can just like come home to our AC apartment and most of the time our water filtered out of our fridge and just like. Oh yeah. I've got some frozen fish, like all that shit. But they were like, all right, I just think they had more because life was more like life or death all the time. Maybe they're just, like, more cracked people. a lot of this fucking language. Yeah, like there's nothing else to do. Oh, yes, I do that too. There's nothing else to do. They're playing fucking video game. Oh, like watching Netflix. Shit to do. Outside. Even whenever you're in your shelter, you're like, still outside your fucking hut. You know, like in a house. It's like you're always just outside, hanging out, fucking, working out. The had, like, kingdoms and shit like that. But but they didn't really have like money it shit physical labor. Yeah. So just raiding shit practicing with your battle ax. Yeah. Practicing battle ax. And battle ax and every day dropping. In your swords every day fucking. They're just running. The guy that became the king of Norway was started as a farmer. So he was like, you know, really. And that was another reason why they wanted to stick in England was they wanted like settlements. It was like, if you have a farm and then you have like a governing body, like a kingdom or some kind of like person in charge, you can have like community. That was like the real is that was where they were as a society. They were like, okay, now let's get community here. Oh, they got a community over there. What are you doing? Okay, you guys are farming and you have a fucking leader. It's like, okay, cool. You guys raid for money. Okay, cool. They're like, let's trade together for money. And that was like, just what was happening over there. That's fucking crazy. That was like, as far as that gun. That's why as well. So farming like that. That's where you kind of have to farm. Yeah. Ton of farming going on. A lot of the people. Yeah a majority of the people much more of like the percentage of population kind of had to farm at least a little bit. You had to do something for food, bro. Fuck yeah. Blue was like, you need to eat. You live. You gotta make that food happen. Grain and shit. How do you get grain? You grow grain. Yeah. You go fucking wheat. Yeah, you grow that, right? Just like. There's that also farm to. Make. Fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah. Making anything, any type of food. Yeah. They had to hunt the protein. So there's like, hunters and shit. So crazy. Bro. Yeah. No fucking languages. Did catching their own fish every day. Fucking spearfishing and. Shit. So yeah. Anyways, I think when you asked me. Oh, yeah, I guess the necessity was in. Yeah. I think you ask me something about, maybe I ask myself like, how does how do all these languages appear? How do we get so many different languages? It's like the sum of it. Or who governs the language? Like who makes the rules about it? Some of it's just like does it's just like the truth in the culture. It's like, right now, if anybody starts saying some weird shit at work, going to be like, what are you talking about? And then that's going to like, govern him to some degree. Like, not just me, but everybody, like all of our perceptions of each and every person in our our own perceived perception of how people, people are perceiving us that kind of like governs itself. And then like that, whatever that is, is like culture, what's acceptable, what's not acceptable, what works and what that doesn't work. And I guess, like culture through all time, govern these languages in such a way that like, I think part of it's like dialect, right? So like if Spanish is a lot like Italian, it's like Italians were probably speak, they're probably speaking the same language at some point. And then for whatever reason, it got different enough that we had to call it a different language, or they grew independent enough that they're like, this is our language. Yeah. Something I don't know is you're Spanish, I guess, like Spain is European, like in Italy and even Spain. Spanish is different than like Mexico, South American Spanish. But they don't call it different Spanish. Yeah. Which is just Spanish across the board. But like if but you know I think like their their pockets within like South America they're like different like Colombia or like some of the accents of different. But then also some of the words like are actually different as well. Yeah. Like Portuguese is different. Yeah, yeah. Big time. Big time. Yeah. So like yeah I think yeah I think you hit it like it's crossed. It's, it's similar and then eventually becomes distinct enough to become its own, its own thing, but rather built from, I guess, a lot of the same foundational words. Maybe that's the thing. If you want to learn all the languages, just like learn one, because then you're gonna learn like the. Bones of the roots. 30 languages. Yeah yeah yeah that's crazy. Wants to learn Latin guys. Sounds like sounds like not a fun time to be honest. Cuz you see me I was back in high school. What does this allude to? Like? My yearning for understanding is like there's too much to be. You can't understand everything, bro. I can't understand it all. I have a theory that when we die, one of the first things like we wake up kind of like in, like what would be like, like a museum. It's like a castle. Okay. Same time castle museum. It's like all white everywhere. And it's like big room. And then somebody, like, greets you there, like, hello, we like to show you this, and you're like, okay, you just, like, feel great. So you're like, something's awesome. Something awesome is going on here. We're like, dope suit. This is how I envision it. Okay? And then like, you know, I walk up to like this one painting, big painting, giant white room, one painting. And it's like kind of moving a little bit like you can't tell as you're walking up to it. You're like, what is this? And then they're like, just take this in. And then you take in this painting and as you take in this painting, you gain a complete understanding of everything that happens in the earth. Like you just get it like light bulb. Understood? Yeah. Oh. Oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah. Son of a bitch. Brother love. It's beautiful. Like, I think that that I think I have, like. Because you could call that a fantasy even, but like, one of the reasons why I think that. And also I told that to my dad, and he said that there's like something that in Paul, I think that, like, alludes to that same kind of sentiment, like coming to heaven and then gaining understanding of all things, like, you won't know all things here, but like once you get into that place, you'll understand all things. Yeah, yeah. And And with that. Because, like, you just can't it's like, honestly, it's an anxiety relieving sentiment. I'm like, one day, one day you'll do it and it'll be beautiful. But like, on this fucking only thing I figured out, it's I'll never have it all figured out. Yeah. You know. Yeah, that's that's our life is the limitation or, you know, our boundaries. We can't know it all. But with language, it would be nice to. You know what I'm saying? People who study language. Yeah. Stack up all the languages and just understand where the ebbs and flows are. It's like, hold on. This the best way to express this idea, this feeling that I have is actually in Swedish. They have the most encompassing, like, sentiment for what I want to say right here. Yeah, yeah. Embodies this expression of this idea perfectly, or this emotion or this, idea, this desire, whatever message I'm trying to communicate. Yeah. Messages. Yeah, bro, I think we're talking earlier when we we're talking about, like, it's like the, I guess back at the times of Vikings and such years and years and years ago, like, learning other languages are learning learning language in general. It was kind of like, nothing else to do. First and foremost. I see a lot more free time for that. Also, like the I think I think the need to learn it more was there, especially if you were in because yeah, why would you how could you learn or learn a language unless you were like some person in the culture or like in contact with somebody who knows the language thoroughly enough to teach it to you? Right. Because you can't look it up online. You can't learn it on your own. You need someone to teach it to you back in the day. So you would like. I guess with that being said, you would ideally or kind of in theory be in that place already. So it's like if I were to to now go and like move myself to fucking Chile or Colombia, I would learn the language pretty quick, at least the basics enough to communicate and get from here to there. And like slowly but surely I would build up and like I would, I would be fluent in six months. Dude, now we're talking. Not talking that we're. Talking. Maybe it's just hard to learn a language on a fucking textbook like you need to. You need to do your life, dog. Yeah. How did you learn what Brad was like? Someone said, would you like a sandwich or, like, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like encountering the thing. Yeah. If you're not encountering the thing. Like, it's all theoretical. Yeah, it's all theory. So theoretical, like classroom Spanish until you're, like, in the. Streets in little Guy. Yeah, yeah. That's when, that's when you learn what the fuck is going on. You know what I'm saying? Also, like if you're just around people talking about stuff, like if you just have a perception of a person and see them talk about a thing, like you're going to pick up on how to say things or how they would say things. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? the, the practical use the. To immersion right there. We say that word. Yeah. I don't think. So. Submersion. Yeah. It's getting completely immersed in that bitch. Yeah. Much much quicker. Yeah. Exactly. If that's what you're going for, to. Also, that's what I've be going for. I guess we're like that about everything. At least trying to get. We understood if I was living in a country like that. Yeah we do. I do that with English. Like, I like to have a good grip on English. Like you could be, like, happy, or it could be, like, joyful, or it could be in bliss, or you could have found peace, or you could be feeling serenity, or you could be hopeful. Those are all very different positive emotions. Like they're different things, you know what I'm saying? Or you could just say, I feel good. And it's, you know. But like, I don't want to just say I feel good. Like I want to, like, I maybe it's selfish. Maybe it's like, narcissistic to want to be understood on that level. You just be like, I'm good and not really, like, bother anybody else with how I'm actually doing for me. Like, man, I feel just fucking like peace, bro. Feel you feel that, feel peace. You know, like, I don't know. It's like, I think I would be bored if I wasn't just, like, actually having, like, a real conversation. Yeah. I think the, Then maybe it is. So I don't think it's selfish. I think it's just I think it's important. I think it's actually the opposite. I think it's selfless. I think it's important for society of everyone to understand exactly what I mean. You know what I'm saying? for my sake, to be on an even keel with. Reality that tastes good. Yeah. Young man. Yeah. No, I see what you're saying. Right? Like, It's it's both. Do you feel like you're taking away from. We're all kind of taking away from everything if we just, like, keep it down, keep it on surface level for don't like, seek to describe things to give them their independent sovereignty. Each moment like good is not like that's sufficient enough all day. It's like I felt you feel different. Things are going through different experiences. It's like you're detracting from the beauty that life is. Why not like appreciating or appreciating it enough to express it properly? I can see it that way for sure. Yeah. Trying to express it to the fullest. You're express it in the fullest to the best of your ability. It's like partly your responsibility to be able to maybe it's a gift, maybe it's a blessing to be able to interpret so or to interpret and try to express that like a deeper, deeper level. Maybe doing justice to your witness. To a part of your. like, innate responsibility on this earth, this to be a witness for the other people on this earth like you. Maybe you're not doing justice to that. If you're not, like, accurately expressing what what you went through or what happened or how you feel. Yeah, maybe it's like the idea of watching a movie or the ability to to, like, really watch a movie, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a gift, kind of. It's like to watch it really, really watch it, you know what I'm saying? Not just watch a movie, but to fucking watch a movie. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Go on, tell me. More like scene by scenes. Like if the director put it in there, it's probably important. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And like, God's like the director. Of director's talk. Yeah. So like, everything could be like that important. So it's like it's kind of a gift. Especially the shit you notice to. See and express and to interpret with that much depth. Yes, dude. Yeah. Yes. You ever been a kid and you're watching a movie and then your parents are like, you don't even fucking. Know what's going, dog? Do you like this movie? You like it? It's. It's beautiful. It's what it is. Like, I've been there where it's just like you're kind of like to. Unsophisticated. You're to, like, not the best kind of. Yeah. To be able to, like, really appreciate it for what it is. And that's that's why I, it's cool to read books over and over again. Yeah. To rewatch things and re re introduce yourself. Right. Because you didn't really watch it. Yeah. You watched it. But you didn't watch it. I understand I get it. You only have so much. Everybody's got eyes, Joe. Not everybody sees Joe and everybody's watching. Yeah, yeah. So I'm with you. I feel like, And then, man, I want to ask you. Well, before take us off the subject, memories are tied together. But God is, like, the best author, dude. Like. Bravo, bravo. I like there's times where I'm just, like, whenever life just, like, hits in a way that you're just like. It makes me think that we signed now that we signed up for this. But like, life is meant to be an experience. Like you're meant to experience life like, why are we here? For the experience. Like, not like exp, like in a video game. So you can level up but like just to to experience life, to go through it one time, like from the fucking the innocent, most raw, most untouched version all the way through to the end of one full experience. And I think that like, it's and we can't even conceptualize what it is fully. We can't you know what I'm saying? We can we can try people think or whatever. And even if you got to that room in heaven where you're looking at that painting and you understand it all, I think in that moment you would be like, okay, this is I want to can I, could I run it back? Could I like, do it? And because now I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so dumb. But there's no way that I could go back and like, you know, my simulation would, would be better with this kind of new awareness understanding. I have like, things would be different and better. I would be better, like, maybe not better things would happen to me, but, like, I could be better for other people. Who knows? Would you appreciate in the afterlife? Yeah. Who knows? You know what I'm saying? Who knows? The great mystery? The greatest. Yeah. So I think the all that to say, when life is like when you get that moment of for me, I call it like an LSD moment where I feel like I'm no longer in what would be like, life's ambiguity and it's mystery. Am I tripping? Is life just life? And I just work in my life. Is any of this what is any of this? I don't really know. Who knows who could know? But in the moment when you fucking know, you're like, oh my gosh, God is amazing. This is true, this is true, this is. True, is true. Gets I'm walking in it like, this is like not everything that happened while Jesus was alive got written down into the Bible. But like, this is one of those moments where in the book of Matthew, like this page is written right here, like this is to be this is to be experienced and remembered like this was for me. You know, that shit is like, I don't know. I don't know if it justifies the rest of the time when you don't really know or if it's just like, just trying to express that like that. That's better than any movie. That's better than any climax of any book I've ever read. You know, it's like everything's trying to imitate that thing. Yes, everything's making up a story so that they can have a climax, but it's like inspired by that real life feeling. And that shit's fucking like. It's all connected. Like it all comes full circle or, you know. Yeah, the story plays out properly, whatever. However that is, whatever that looks like, it works out. The chickens come to roost. The seeds. Get reaped. Like, the full circle. The fucking. Baa, baa baa I don't. Know, like, what. Is the Shawshank Redemption, bro? Where you fucking. He gets out because he's he's innocent the whole time. He's innocent. And then he escapes. He gets out. Justice is served. We love that shit. Yeah, I think I could do that with life itself. And we feel those whenever you hit the like, I remember. Oh, golly, I remember like, having that feeling, being like, taking a break from vitamins and then getting back on the vitamins. after a long enough break from vitamins, when you come back, you get the super vitamin effect. Whoa. Mega vitamin effect on regular vitamins. They level up and you just have that. Sometimes you just sit there and you just come to this mental playground of just thoughts coming and going, just flowing within yourself. And you're thinking and feeling, and then, yeah, you come to some sort of understanding about some shit, or like you have that LSD moment where things kind of line up or coincidence, like extreme coincidence on such a level that is irrefutable within your own self. You are just like, wow, that was such a coincidence that only like an outside for someone watching my life, the camera, the audience, whatever's going on, someone had to influence that for that coincidence that hit me so hard. And like, those moments can lead to that level of clarity where you're just sitting there, you just know, like you're just sitting in, just like knowing the answer when like a teacher asks you to question and you just raise your hand like. Oh, oh, right here, right fucking here, bro. Just the like. Very good with. The most confidence in the world. Like, you just know what it is like, whatever that feeling is like you have that you get to a place where like your as an emotion and that emotion comes up whenever you're like you, you cross like a consciousness path pathway or like you look at a spiritual doorway. And you're like, that's it, that's it right there. It's like, I know it and I know this to be true. There's more here that I'm experiencing, or there's more here than I could ever imagine. And sometimes it is like visits me and tells me that it's like there's more than you could imagine here. There's like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. And then you just back. To normal life, having to act like you didn't. Hear that. Could you imagine if that if you. Felt like that all the time, though. Just everywhere you. Were. Boy, be too much. AGV. Oh my God. You wouldn't be able to go like, you. Know, dude, it's like, whoa. You can drive anywhere. You can do anything, bro. That's the thing. That's why it almost has to hide from us. But it's like, that's why you need faith. Maybe it's like. That feeling of the whoa is. Like pure DMT. It's like we have just enough in our body to animate us and to keep us. At this level at normal levels. But if we get too much DMT, we start to whoa, whoa whoa, look, you the checks out, then we we. If we don't have enough, we're like, we're in a negative trajectory. Then, like, life starts to get dull and then darker and darker and darker when the hell nihilistic. Or you can see the whoa. Let me do that. I don't know if if there. Was if you if that idea was just like in a book and that book was like a New York bestseller, I'd be like, well. Maybe that's what's going on here. Because you're my. Friend on the couch. Sometimes it's like I think other people in the audience would be, like, hesitant to be like, maybe that is what's going on here, because we're not scientists. The crazy people, I don't know. But that's it checks out for. Me, bro. Checks out my science. Let's write a book. You know. My science. We can do some research, but I think does you know, God does. Life itself does manifest itself in a way to where you'll feel that heightened sense of emotion or that heightened sense of whatever. And I think because, yeah, we do just like even on a scientific based level, we do have that DMT crazy psychedelic, experience inducing drug type, methyl tri trip domain or whatever. Yeah, something like that. That mental trip to mean whatever it is, whatever the DMT stands for. Like we all literally have that biologically in our body a little bit. We all have it a little bit. So it's like, man, maybe that thing is generating the entire experience. It could be. Or maybe it's like part of it. Yeah, part of a big part of our access to that realm, because you can get there without the, like psilocybin mushrooms or the LSD, like the actual like, say, psychedelic, substances that we have that also induce, like, can reliably induce this experience. Like, like across time we've like come to learn like we're studying this now like in science. It's definitely like a certified medical field now, like psilocybin mushrooms and that kind of stuff. Yeah. This is valid. Super valid science now, especially in the last 20 years. For 30 years ago, 40 years ago, people were nuts in like the 70s and shit or considered to be like nuts and crazy super crazy. The war on drugs broke out on that shit. Yeah, there was like Marilyn Manson, which a lot people now think was like propaganda against drugs as a whole, that it was like a CIA operation and that they wanted to criminalize hippies. And yeah. Get rid of that movement. Open your mind. Taken like, yeah, yeah. They're trying to literally like, bury that and get rid of it. It's it's like speculative speculative because you want to make people want to make the argument that they're doing that because everybody was opening their mind. They were like, didn't need to go to a job so much. And they were like, really like peaceful and like anti-war. Anti-war. Yeah. More, like. Docile and almost pacifistic. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, let's just love and be cool. Like, we don't need to. We don't need all all of this, like, division and. conflict. Conflict, right. Yeah. But, like, I think the government kind of relied on it or was becoming to rely on benefits from it somehow, or even if they weren't, maybe they just thought it was necessary, though, like, we have to go to war. What are you talking about? Like, you ever seen the world stage play out like motherfuckers go to war? Yeah. And, we're protecting our freedom right now. So I think there was this big, like, people really wanted. Like our society really wanted that kind of cookie cutter, like, go get a good job and then have a house and then have a family. But then people were like, yeah, we don't need, like, houses or a job or like, I love you. You're my family right now, like people were. I think it was like. They build a community man and. Live with each. Other. Man. Yeah, no money man. No shoes, no problem. No deodorant. Man. Free. It's a problem. Truly free. Two. Free. Two free. Getting to go jump in the lake before you hang. Out, bro. Trim that shit. Trim yourself. Square. Sasquatch. Dude, I with you. So. Yeah, but this is. I guess what I'm trying to say is these intelligence officials might have legitimately thought that this shit was a threat to American life. You know, not just that. Like, people were going to unlock their potential to tap into the matrix. just like. Yeah, maybe you. It was. It was too much, too fast. We were like, what the fuck is all this? Hold on. We gotta put this away. We can't quite comprehend what's going on with this. Yeah, true. That too. Right. I think that's what Jordan Peterson says about it too, a little bit. But now it's definitely been more so integrated into the scientific study fields and to academia as legitimate. Mr. Johnson. So it's tight. Yeah. Well, should I just take LSD every day all the time so I can feel the world? Does Jordan Peterson take LSD every day? All time? I'd. I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised. But then again, I think at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised. Actually, this up. Really? Well, this is just chill about it. That's why he just. Starts crying sometimes on. Stage. Yeah, it's just too much to handle. I think he gets there naturally. Too beautiful. But. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that without without those psychedelic substances that we have found in our existence, kind of. How the fuck does that happen even at all? Crazy, right? But we have those things. They work reliably and even without those. I think that because we have the DMT base within our system just off rip, even without those substances, we can ritual rain dance or get ourselves there on our own frequency, on our own climbing of elevation, of like synchronistic moments. Because I remember I'll have there was a there was a time where lizards were like, I, I assigned meaning to lizards, just random lizards. I saw a lizard on my car. I was driving home and, there was a lizard on my windshield wiper. And like, I realized that as I was driving, but I wasn't going on the highway or anything. I was going maybe like 55 Max, 45 just here, here to there to be. And and that's when I think I was like, oh my. Hopefully he makes it really makes it. And I drove back to the crib and then yeah, he was there because he made it. And I was like, okay, cool. I a man. And then I looked up with lizards, man, because I saw another one like another like two days later maybe. And it was like I assign more meaning significance to it and then looked it up and it was, lizards are symbolic of like, growth and regeneration, partially because of, like, their tails. You know what I'm saying? When their tails get pulled off, some lizards like this grow that tail back. So it was like a positive omen, more or less. I was like, that's what's up. So then I was like, all right, so I'm assign meaning to lizards. That's not another lizard. I was like, oh shit, this is time. That's what's up. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling winky. I'm feeling coincidentally aligned with this life thing. And then we go. I go back home like later that night, and then we watch, a movie or a movie Netflix movie on Netflix with some friends that just came over. We're just hanging out, chillin, just like. And it was, not even like a pre assigned thing. It was just kind of a spur of the moment sort of hang out and then a spur of the moment decision of Netflix, whatever movie it was kind of just randomly on. And then none of us had seen it. Victoria just put it on. Boom. And then it was, there was a, this meaning of lizards like a sign in the movie. So I kind of arbitrarily that like a lizard marks like an important part of, like a door or something like, or, it's signified like, like this person was involved in, like, their operation or whatever with, like, the lizard on their door or some shit like that. I don't even know. I don't even know. But just like having all those things just like, tick. Tick tick tick tock. Just feeling like, ooh. Sorry. Sorry, guys. I. Okay, you know. No, I feel, you know. Sitting in a room. With people just chilling. And then I just fucking stand up. It's like was. Go. Sorry. You charged. Points? Yeah. You just like in screaming. don't you read? Yeah. Woo! I'm in the perfect place at the perfect time. My life is on electric. Just thinking about that. Yeah. The thought coincides with the life, the human experience. Your thought realm experience coincides with the human physical experience and the years like peak. Right. That the it it hits perfectly. It's crazy. Someone will say something as you're thinking it or like, yeah, yeah, fuck you up. Get the hit, get a little hit. You get a little dose of the. There's more here than meets the eye. Transformers. Decepticons are real. You're Optimus Prime. Welcome to the Lee, kid. You're like, what? Then you kind of come back down to human level. Yeah. I was like, whoa, was that deja vu? Am I tripping? Was that real? And then when you're there, you're fucking there. You're in it. You are Optimus Prime, you're fighting. Megatron. Avatar ain't in the avatar mode. It's like this place is real. This place is real. This place is real. It's more real than this place. I think that place is the primary and this is the secondary. This is the the results of whatever the fuck's going on there. Other dimensions, quote unquote, if you want to conceptualize like that. If you watch Joe Rogan. Realms. Bruh. Aliens are. Coming up alien. Dimensions. They've frickin never experienced DMT. I can't attest to the experience fully like that. I'm not sure exactly what happens. I've heard testimonials. Yeah. From what? the thing too is like, from what I know about DMT, I don't think that, like, you could. Do. DMT all day, every day for like, years in a row. I don't think you'd want to. I don't I don't think you could, at least within the maybe if you're like a let's. Let's try to. Create a world in which I can't do this. And in that world, I have to be like the offspring of some super trillionaire where I don't have to work at or do do any sort of obligations to anybody else besides myself. Okay. So maybe if I'm like the son of a fucking trillionaire, I inherit $1 billion. I don't have to work. I have to do anything, I have servants, I have a I have a manner that's taken care of. I have everything that I need taking care of. But it's. Hard. You pull that out on me. Yeah. I got all my shit. I got my drivers. I got people that wash me. I don't even got to wash myself, you know. Still getting bathed. I can fucking bathe them. I could literally, literally just lay in a fucking tub, you. Know, the carry me out of the tub, though. Drown. I'll just lay. You lay on the bed. Like, carry me to the tub. Look at me. Ready. Bathe me, take me back. Fucking full service. We're good to go. Got it in that room. I guess I could hypothetically be taking some DMC every single day for multiple, because I think it's from whatever. It's like a short lived experience, only like 15, 20 minutes maybe in most. So you you can just keep on jumping back into the DMT realm where you just take ayahuasca every day. Ayahuasca is more longer than that. It's like six hours plus it's like a full, full, full trip. I've heard it's super like not painful, but it's like now the whole thing is not enjoyable. even though. There's some. Reason there being, like, the demons are inside. You home by. Yeah. You can conquer the demons. Oh, my. yeah. You are the demon. But, yeah. It's just like is in the is in a fever. Fuck, yeah. No, no. Captain Crunch the tiger, the the wolf. But the wolf is a subtle drama. This cereal box. Breakthrough, breakthrough, breakthrough. Yeah, that's six hours of that, though. Six hours of that, right. Sounds exhausting. Like a six hour wrestling match with demons. Yeah. I need to go to a fight camp first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a spiritual fight? Can't. But I want to do that someday. So yeah I think I guess hypothetically you could get to a world where you live in that scenario we just painted and you could take ayahuasca every day. I don't think you'd want, I think it might be too much, maybe too much Joe Rogan I think it's too much, much. But it can be a human. You wouldn't be a human at that point. I mean, these two guys that took, allegedly took LSD every day for like over a month. It's a lot of LSD. Joe Rogan. They weren't like levitating. When they walked, you know what I'm saying? They did it. Their life didn't, like, magically get better. They weren't. Wearing, like, robes. And no. Just like. Tibetan monks. They were. It looked. Like they were drug. Addicts, you know, so the generate the generics, right? I was like, well, that's not to degenerates. But what? That's the thing. And if it's like not meant to be the one, it's like it's meant to be salt and pepper on your life. It's meant to be like. Hmhm. Just a garnish is the life the dish? Or is life the chicken? I want the DMT to be the chicken and the chicken to be the life you know. Instead, it's the salt and pepper on the chicken, which makes it a dish. And the dish is life like. Back to the chicken medical. What I it's like, what? Sometimes I. We the, the the eater of the chicken. That's okay. Yeah. Okay. what? Like the life that we're experiencing, it's like. The DMT. Wow. Moments, the like the understanding, the actually knowing moments. That's just like the salt and pepper that goes on to what would be the protein that you're going to eat. I just want the whole I want. The. I want the wow moments to be the dish. And I just want just the. Dish and I don't I, I just want. To see what you're. Saying. Yeah. Believe it. It's kind of like that. And I guess maybe you can cross that metaphor into the idea that's like, salt, sea like seasonings. Make the dish like, that's what makes the fucking dish. Like, that's what brings the flavor. That's what makes it worth eating. That's what makes it delicious. That's what makes it that transforms it from sustenance to delicious. but, like, you don't want to have just, like, a tablespoon of salt. A fucking tablespoon of powder. Fucking powdered sugar. Oh, fucking, what is. Cinnamon, bro? Anything. Is cinnamon the cinnamon challenge? Pepper? I did the cinnamon challenge. With him when I was a kid. I remember that shit back in the day, but I did. Have an accident. Oh. Like, we had, like, a spice rack. This, like, you know, they bought, like, a nice, whatever, hundred dollars spice rack. And it came with all the spices in it, and, and that they're all labeled. And I was looking at all these spices, and I saw cinnamon and I just, like, had key, like, that's where the cinnamon and essentially cinnamon is. And then one day I was just like, yeah, I'm gonna catch a little bit of the cinnamon, you know what I'm saying? And I thought, oh, the catch this. You know what I'm saying? I love it. Okay. It I opened it's like a pot. Top, right. I opened the cinnamon. And then from opening the cinnamon. Now, in. Retrospect, I see everybody become alarmed. Like what. I, in my own mind. Have good views. Cinnamon, brown. Sugar, healthy cinnamon. 11 years old. Pretty much of the diet. Sugar. And, cinnamon. Brown sugar. I didn't like cinnamon toast Crunch. Cinnamon. It was the. Sweet, delicious. Thing. It's, pop that up. And I'm like, you know, we. Used to make peanut butter sugar sandwiches. You know what I'm saying? Like, just give people sugar, see what you know. Fuck the me, man. Jelly. Fuck that sugary purple shit. Look, all right. It's sugar, baby. Peanut butter. What the fuck? Crazy. Crazy kids. Jesus Christ. Just savages. This is like, like. You left to my own devices. I was, like, my favorite sandwich. Like. Yeah, well. Way better than ever. Them some, which is just delicious. So in my mind, it was like this, like, thing, like. You know, parents aren't around. I'ma do a little. Jewish, a shot. Like, seriously? No. This. It was a buy, I think, but I if I. Had just met my stepsisters there and I think we were like, leaving, like we're getting ready to go somewhere, and I'm like. You like, let me get a roadie. And bump it up. And they're like, what the fuck? And, oh no. I go to get like, you know, like a little. And literally the cap falls off the little guy. Falls. Up. It just blew an. Entire mouthful. Of. Like, way more than a tablespoon. Like my whole mouth. They have the jar. Is all over my. Face and in my mouth. And, I it was like. It was dramatic. It's like suffocating. Choking on just choking on powder. And it's. it's like. Calcifying in my mouth because my mouth swear. There's cinnamon that went straight into my throat, so. Oh, God. I started crying. And. I'm like. If anyone doesn't remember, the cinnamon challenge is a teaspoon of cinnamon is teaspoon. Is him into the dome. That was it, right? Yeah. You could hold it down for 10s or something like that. Yeah. See if you can help. If you could swallow it. That was a challenge I think pretty much 2016. I think that was about as intricate as it got. But the dessert, that story sticks out of my mind like it's just such a brute memory of, like, my own folly, my own. Hubris, you know? Isn't this the only difference? Yeah. There's not knowing in the first place. Trying to be cool versus, like. It just was a hundred. Percent backfired. What kind of flex is that, exactly? oh. Good fucking do a line of cinnamon roll like. One for the road. Do some visuals. Google. Is it just like, But also, I think the. You see the cinnamon. Before you in the new it it's too late. At the same. Time though, it's just like that's one of those things like I think that was one of those moments where life was just like, perfect. Like, not for me in that moment, but for everyone else in that moment. That was like. And even me later, you know what I'm saying? I'm like the life so perfect. Life's so funny, bro. Like. Like they shouldn't have. You shouldn't have been. You shouldn't have been trying to take a shot of cinnamon in. The first place. You go in ignorance, lead you down the wrong path. But then. Like the idea that the fucking the lid to the cinnamon with the would like the next time someone bought it, it was going to fall. The next time someone poured that, it was. Bussin. Yeah. So like it just so happened to coincide with that. Yeah, that ignorance did. Create that moment. Yeah. Because like if someone's going to just add a cinnamon to their coffee, they're just like. Yeah, but nope. Who did it? Who's in my face? No one there was funny, you know. Yeah. That's just like, it's like. A perfect life moment. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Just like there's moments where it just like hits, like pure comedy happens, like something funny thing. Yeah, yeah. And that's, God, being an amazing writer, in my opinion, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is perfect moments. I think when we watch the Colts game in that bar, Andrew Luck's biggest comeback ever. I think there was God in that moment. I think that, like God wrote that moment, it's like, too perfect. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The moment say it has to be written. Yeah. And like, that's why I try to just, like, do my part or, like, act well, because you can fuck up your own moment sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, maybe you can't. That's kind of the thing. It's like, God is like taking care of you and knows where you're at. And like, it's so funny just to teach me such a quick lesson. About. Whatever that was. Posing or like trying to be perceived as something or whatever. Like it's just funny. I think when you're a kid, like, there's something animates you, you're like, sometimes it's like, maybe like if my little sister was getting too much attention or something like that, and I might start like, acting out. I think it was more the other way around. But I just want to talk shit about my sister. But, like, I think there's just times when, like, we start being something that we're not and it's like, why are you doing that? And it's like a projection of some kind of discomfort that lies in your subconscious. And then being able to like, track that and just like, act within yourself and just be present and like where you're supposed to be. By. All means of what? Where you like, where you're supposed to be any second of any day. So you kind of know what you're supposed to be doing. Definitely, if you have a job or definitely if you have like, obligations, you know. Yeah. And as long as you can just be in that moment and be present and be your best self, like those moments will like hopefully be perfect. You know what I'm say that's all you can do. Yeah. Or lead you to a perfect story or whatever. Enjoyable story at least, right? Hopefully you can be the protagonist of your story and not the antagonist of anybody else's story. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So a story, David. So crazy because like, David was like David versus Goliath. Then David goes on to like. He's like, I'm pretty sure he's married. And then one of his war generals, because he's a king. So becomes like from slingshot boy to king and then one of his war generals, he like, falls in love with that guy's wife, and then he sends the war general to the front lines so that he can get killed so that he can, like, sleep with his wife. And then you're like, David, like the fucking the boy. The boy like the boy. I think when I talk about Goliath, he kills Goliath, the boy. I've heard that story. And, like, it's just like antagonist. The protagonist or protagonist. Antagonist, like, if you're not careful, you can, like, I don't know, go from, like. Literally a. Chosen hallmark, like, David versus Goliath is, like, transcendent of all time, you know. Transcendent story to like stories all this time. To to dog shit. You know, I'm like, what are you doing? You're literally a king, bro. Like, what more could you want? You can't just distract yourself like stuff that. So that's why I'm saying it's important to act, right? Because, like, you can people go on that kind of archetypical journey if you're not careful. It's crazy. Yeah, the ups and the downs. My last thought, or at least one of the last thoughts I want to share with you is. Like, do you? What do you. What do you think about dreams? Dreams are crazy. I'm not sure how much validity or truth can be held. Till it's God, right? Those dreams? Right, I think so, I guess hypothetically. I think it's part of. I think it's part of. It's self-produced. I guess in the same manner that's part of our life is self produced as well. We have freewill here. I think we also have free will or I think part of that free will extends into that subconscious realm. And then that's what we're experiencing when we go to sleep a little bit. It's like the crossover or like the. Intersection between subconscious and conscious. I get a weird kind of gray area between. Yeah, I guess because we can control and that we can't control dreams to a degree. But there are like vivid dreams are like living dream lucid dreaming. There it is. My dad says he can lucid dream. It's hard to pinpoint, I guess, he says. Like, if he focuses on it and it works like he could probably lucid dream, like twice a week. Damn. That's pretty high, right? That's crazy. He could, like, not try and not lucid dream for like 2 or 3 weeks, but like, he's in a practice of, for the most part, like remembering to try when he's going to sleep with like energy. And he's definitely going to go just hours. He's like, all right, let's forget. I forget like he said, like either he said this or I heard it somewhere else. But I think he told me, like, you have a thought and then you just like, hold that thought. And then as you're falling asleep, just keep thinking that thought and then let yourself, like, fall asleep while you're thinking that thought. And then eventually, like, you'll go into your. Dream like repeating the same thought. Yeah, okay. And you'll go into your dream. But like, just by repeating that thought, you'll have, like, kept yourself in your conscious mind, like, awake enough to be conscious in the dream. But then you also have to be able to have like an identifier, like something that tells you when you're dreaming that you're that, oh this is a dream. Like you need to be able to recognize the way to like. Like come to in the dream. Yeah. In the dream world. Yes. Like wake up here, wake up here. Don't wake up there. Wake up here. Yeah, yeah I'm up. Yeah I'm dreaming. Yes. Yeah. And that's kind of like how you would play in the lucid dream realm, is like, keep your conscious brain awake by not letting your conscious brain go to sleep as your body is falling into the rhythmic brain pattern of a sleeping person. And then once your conscious mind is awake and you enter the dream to. To be like. You, like you said, wake up in the dream without waking up in real life. Yeah, because you could be like. And then wake up like that was me as a kid all the time I was be like, I'm dreaming. And then I'd wake up and be like, damn. It, I did that. It had it. Second, I had it. Yeah, yeah. I've had that. I've experienced that emotion or that feeling of being like, oh shit, I'm in a dream. I'm in a dream. And like coming to in the dream and being able to control it at least a little bit for a small span of time, sometimes for a long span or what seems to be a long span. But oh yeah, I've, I've definitely felt that before. And I think that, I don't know, I can't speak on anyone else's experience. Of course, that's all we can do, is we can our own experience and share it. We can't really say whether or not it's like 100% true. But within myself, my story, I think that dreams are definitely like telling. Or definitely maybe it's a couple different combinations of things. Maybe it's just like your subconscious trying to work things out, or trying to tell you something, or like trying to bring something to your attention, to your conscious attention so you can work it out in the conscious life or something that you did work out in the conscious life. And then it's just like reaffirming or, I don't know, some, some sort of expression of consciousness and unconscious thoughts and behaviors and whatever you're trying to work through or get over or incorporate or whatever it is. So it's like some sort of working out between your minds or between because I guess we're, we're experiencing and we have both a subconscious and unconscious or subconscious unconscious minds. Like the whole time it feels like it's like waking life and sleeping life. But I think both of those are just like part of the same whole, like, experience, the human experience in general. It's like, maybe sleep is like just it is important to get sleep for like your conscious waking life, like sleep deprivation is fucking crucial, critical to all your it hinders you in every, every way imaginable. Pretty much. Yeah. So we need we literally need it. But then I think also we need it because it maybe it helps us work out our subconscious thoughts or helps us organize and discard things that we don't need anymore, maybe helps us free up our storage and our hard drive or whatever the fuck are, you know, saying delete some old files or organize your your the folders in your mind's computer software cabinet, whatever's going on metaphorically with that. So maybe that's what's going on partially. But then also I think that God can work through that or some sort of prophetic messages or something can come to you through those streams as well, maybe like an interdimensional plane, because I've also heard I haven't experienced it personally, but I've also heard other people talk about like, you could see like, like relatives and like other people in, like, other dimensions, or like your friends and family. Like who come to you in dreams and talk to you. Yeah. My my mom came to me in a dream one time. I hadn't even thought about it in a really long time, until it was like. It was like source of myself for information. I was like, where do I have a oh, yeah, I have a witness for that. but yeah, I just had a dream where I was like in a different room. It was like it felt different than a normal dream where you just wake up and it kind of like, makes sense that you are where you are. But, like. I woke up in, like, what was my mom's house, but then I was like my mom, and then my mom's door was open. And then there was like something telling me that, like, she was around the corner or there was like some hope there. And I, like, walked around. And then she was in there, and then I walked in there and I was like, this isn't this isn't your house. Like, we're in your house, but it's not your house. And then she was like, I made this place so that you and I could talk. And I was like, so this is like, really you? And then she was like, yes. And then I just started, like, crying. Like I just, like, fell to my knees and wept. And then. No questions. No questions, nothing. Nothing. Just like, boom. I believe you. Yeah, yeah. And then, In that moment, yeah, I was like, I literally didn't even. I was thinking to myself, like, what would I. This can't be, this is a this is crazy. This is impossible. Not even. That. Not at all. I was like, what should I communicate to her what I want to say to her? Or what do I want to ask her? Or like, what do I want? Like, what should I be doing with this time that I have with you and it was my own brain was like, nothing. Like, just be here. Like, just be like together in this energy. Like, that's the only thing I want. And it was like, just crazy. You just crazy. And then I woke up and then, you know, that feeling was just like my that that DMT feeling that like LSD, like energy feeling just like hung on me, like all day. Like I couldn't. Not. Feel like the next day the song or my king loss was going, okay. I just came out and I listen to that, like all day long, like just on repeat, I think a great song. My dad paid me to clean the house that day, so I'm just like, there's. A war going, no, no corner is a walk. I want more. Sweeping and mopping and everything, bro. And, I don't know, it was just so weird. I was just so, like, it was such a real moment, you know? Yeah. And I was fucked up. I had gotten drunk the night before. I was drinking with my friend Clay, and I drank gin, and I never drank gin. Drank a ton of gin, and then. No juice. Hold the juice, hold the juice. I'll gin did. Out the bottle. Genie. With a fire like a dragon. Dodge dragon. jeez, Louise. And fuckin snuck. Back in the house. In my mind, I'm like, fuckin Ocean's 11. Like, do a cartwheel. Silent cartwheel. Totally like, bumped into the table. The dogs start working. But anyways, I get in there, I climb up into the top of this bunk bed in my brother's room where I'm sleeping. Cause I'm home from college. Not just. Boom. Oh, like you fucking like. Like a rocks. And then this. Fuckin like you said, another dimension. Like my first thought was like, this is not even dream world. This is like a weird place. I feel like there's like a purple black rift galaxy outside of me. There's a little. Rip in the space time continuum. Yeah, yeah. So we're a weird level in the subconscious layers that we have. Whatever the hell goes on when you go into a deep sleep or a deep dream. Deep, deep, deep dream world. Yeah. When you feel safe enough to dream deep, that's another thing too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when you feel safe is when you sleep the the hardest. And if you can get to a point where you never feel safe, like your anxiety is so high that you never really sleep good because you know, you've worried about so much. And I think part of it's like when you were, cavemen, you had two literally be able to come out of your sleep if there was a fucking tiger around. You ready to go? Yeah. Club in hand. So you couldn't be, like, drooling on the pillow. When you're sleeping in the savannah, bro. Like you. Live in. In the rainforest? Yeah. No way. Oh, yeah. You got to be ready to fucking. Stab something, bro. Yeah, yeah. As like, that's a different, different level. So I think that's part of, like, how that thing developed, but like. Yeah, going home and sleeping like, oh my dad's house are you can even be nervous to be around your parents or whatever. But like in that moment after hanging out with Clay, drinking so much and then getting back to my dad's house and just being like, done. Just like. Who knows what, how deep the sleep can get. You know? Yeah, yeah. So, James, James, it is crazy as hell. Yeah. You said your mom. Yeah, your mom organized that or that was like her. Her expression. Yeah. So it's like I created this. What? I have more questions, dude. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if the trauma was too deep or what my brain was like. You should be fucking asking some things here. I was like, no amount of understanding will feel better than presence. Just being here right now. Yeah. This is the maximum. If I'm going to soak this in, I just want to soak it in. Like I remember thinking that too. I always was thinking about in high school when I was playing football, if we were to like, win a game, like if I were to hit a game winning field goal or like some kind of game winner, like what I would do in that moment, like that thing presented itself to me. Like when I was like 15, 16, 17. When I was 18 and a senior, I kicked a game winning field goal. And in that moment I had predetermined and pre-decided that what I would do would be to just like, look at everybody else celebrating. It's like truly take in what just happened, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like there was just something that that idea, that rooted thing is like, just sometimes, like I'd rather be present than have my phone out to record what's going on, because you could, like, really soak it in. But I don't know if that's good or not. I should probably ask some questions to my mom and like, what is my what are we doing here? Where are you right now? Like, where. Is there having like who? Who's there? What's it like? You know what I'm saying? What's going on? We'll never know. Never know. Maybe that was like the perfect. I couldn't ask any questions. I wouldn't ask any questions. It was. Perfect. It was already perfect. Yes. You know. It was already good. You know, there's nothing else to know. There's nothing else you needed. Yeah, exactly. The moment I felt that, too. Yeah. It's like there's no. There's no need for anything else. No. They to have it feels like. Yeah. It's like you don't need to know or you don't need to. There's no needs or like all needs are met, all needs are met to the fullest capacity. Like not what it's like. Just enjoy that. Like oh. Oh my needs are met. Yes. My needs are. Met. You're good. Oh me too. Everything is good. Yeah. Something like that to a degree. But yeah dreams are weird. about. Archetypical settings. I think they're important. I think that there's. It's hard to say. Pinpoint exactly what it is. There's something there. There's something there. There's something there. One of the. Great mysteries of life. Another. Another thing that's like deeper than what's presented, that's like is, yeah, everyone has. Everyone has. I guess some people don't have dreams. Some people don't dream. Maybe. I think everyone kind of knows what that is. It's like a common thing that we're all referring to as that's that's probably one of the things that this common across all, all languages, like maybe every language has a word for the or a term for the word or for the expression, the idea of dreaming. What happens when you go to the sleep place? I'm sure we all have reference to that. Yeah. So something there? Something it's just as important, just as perplexing and mysterious as life. Conscious life. Yeah. This is crazy. Whoa! Yeah. The mind would. Have more in the dreams later, but you won't. Ready to sign off on this? People, you have. To go. Open our minds. Open your Plato school. Get it in. 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