Episode #49

On this Episode of The MJ38 Show (Podcast):

Matthew and Justin talk about Coffee, Bullies, and The Afterlife

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We scoping it out? We send the people every hour on a bike to on our on a, on a run and a quick run through the city. Checking for the red lights or some free donuts, I think is at the end of the end of the day, end of the shift for the donuts that they're going to throw away anyway. Yeah, I think that's what it used to mean. Yeah. Pretty sure. But now the red light fresh donuts. You definitely make more money not giving people ones that you were going to throw away because those people would buy one. They want one. But if they're like patient, they just wait until, the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're losing money. They're trying to do a nice thing. It's good in theory. It's sweet in theory. Like. Oh, yeah, we're going to go anyway. Home. Up. Yeah, I think that incentivizes that. Not only the initial money, but they're leaving money on the table. So there we go. So that's what they're doing. Yeah. Wasteful with the money or anything like that to say oh my black out there savings straight up the when I was a combination of the song Roxanne, I think it's also said during like boom. Well done. That song is a banger. Bam! Oh. Recording. Yes. Oh, shit. Hey, guys. Don't want to read like I said, Roxanne. Step forward y'all. Yeah. So, yeah, I just I just combined Krispy Kreme using that jingle. Using that the what is it like the melody. Is that melody for their own jingle. Nice. It's perfect. Kind of fun. And give me in the room. Give me the fucking creative boardrooms, dog. Come on, dude, if you pitch that, I think whoever the head of the department is would be pissed. Krispy Kreme hit me up. Like, why don't we think of that? Why don't we think of that? Why did you think of that? You can't tell your boss. Oh, did you think of that? The only option you have at this point? Hartman boy CEO. Get it? Krispy Kreme Baba. California that. Come on, come on, brother. Yes, I would love at one point. Oh my God, Grant's selfish. Want to sell? Offices are in the office when there's a scene when, like, they're interviewing other people to replace Michael. Yeah. Season five or so, and they have a bunch of, like, big name celebrities in there. It was cool. And one of those people was, I don't know if this guy's name, but the rapper California, the guy that ends up, like getting the job. I remember my dad telling me, like, he. I couldn't tell you another thing. He's in off top of my head. The one thing I know I think that he's in is called the Blacklist. Okay. Actually, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about. I think I have seen, like, a little snippet of that. He's the bad guy in that show. Okay. But the bad guys like, protagonist, he's, like compelling. He's actually a good guy, man. Like the evil. Yeah. Like, he's like the FBI's most wanted person. So he's like the bad guy, but then he ends up, like, help motherfuckers out being a good guy. You get it? So, yeah, not to get too far into the weeds with that, but, Robert. California robbery, California. Yeah. My dad was like, that guy's like an A-list actor. Like, there's no way he. He's not like those actors. They're not going to do the office less. And, but then he like, does take the role in the next season. And then the way that they, like, explain him into the show, because at first it's just going to be Michael. And they're like, so yeah, he came in here like right in, talked to David Wallace, talked him into giving up his job to Robert and, yeah. So now he's the CFO, and David is, working at his own company. Started his own. He's doing his own thing. He's like, fucking from home. It was literally just like, what? what a fleece. Imagine. Like getting hired for a job. And then the guy that's interviewing you, you end up just getting his job using your speech skill over and over again. Yeah. So then have his job, and then the next day you're interviewing somebody to take the job that you just don't have anymore. That's pretty bonkers. Yeah. That's crazy. It was David was. Now I remember that. It's he's this he becomes a CEO. He takes the company from that lady. I don't know it's been a while but what we're talking. Oh it's getting an interview and then getting CEO Krispy Kreme right here. They he could do it. How you doing. Yeah. If I have a donut on the house like antipasto. The fuck. Maybe that's your first initiative for an on the house donut. No. Oh no no no it's on the house. On the house. Including the tip. I got a tip. I mean, I'm paying for it, you know? Yeah. Here's another thing. Okay. How much did you do? Okay. Like, if I had to sit down, you had to bring me shit. That's where the tip. Even if it's not a lot of shit, but like, at Starbucks or like, at the drive through, at the Mexican place, they'd be like, how much do you want to tip? I'm like, it's a drive through. What the fuck? It's just, I'm coming to you. Yeah, yeah. You're not even leaving your window. That one gets me. Do I tip. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's that percentage based on that one though. It's weird. It's different. It's a different. It's like it's the gray area. It's a gray area. It's not as regulated as a 20% regular restaurant tip for tipping for like a drink or tipping for baristas or tipping baristas is the one where you just gotta you just got to be a good person because it don't make sense. Yep. No, not at all. It's a fucking cup of coffee, bro. Okay, sir. It takes like, 30s to make, a couple minutes at most, depending on how complicated to get there. Fair fair enough. And those are those people who make the most complicated, probably tip the least fucking cooks. It seems to sway that direction, right? Right. It does. Some people just want a black cup of coffee. That's it. I just if I get a simple little whatever iced latte when I'm doing some damage, I like the, venti white chocolate milk, a latte, but could you make it with oat milk? No. Whipped cream. Add for splendors and toffee? No, sir. Please. Only two pumps. Boom. Whatever. That's like fucking go with, like, a heavy. Yeah, they got rodeo 32, cowboy Blitz 47, blue oh three. Ready? make it a ready. Yeah. Add an extra shot of espresso in there. Boom. Yeah. That's like, what would you give that on your own subjective scale of order complication from 1 to 10. What does that for? Ten. Ten. It is complicated. I mean, it's not that bad. I would give it like it's like eight if I guess I guess. Yeah. Yeah. You could, I could use more like, code words, like stuff. You'd had been working at Starbucks for a long time to know or. I don't know those words, but, like, can I get a fog, like, extra greasy, getting the dirty egg on top, a dirty burger? Load it. Yeah. You know, so talking like a waffle House. Yeah. But, yeah, I feel it when I doing it. When I'm fucking ordering the cup of coffee. It feels like a ten out of ten annoying. My girlfriend's like, boop, boop. You're the first. Because, yeah, she really values, like, simplicity. This takes a while to get there. Or, like, how do you how do you how do you get you get to that certain combination of ingredients. Well, this is a lot of trial and error. Buckle up. But this the okay. So coffee right. There's like coffee I love it. And then coffee is like cream and sugar. Right. So then like but then instead of cream the acquired taste. The acquired taste. It is, it is. Kids don't really like coffee is kind of bitter. No. When I was like it, it could be sweet. we're living in the apartment the second time around, so I was like, in sixth grade, and, my mom would, drink a lot of coffee, and then she had, like, coffee that you. It was like a box with, like, stir in powdered coffee. But instead of being like, okay, it's a that's not real coffee, you know what I'm saying? But, like, sometimes old people, it's like instant is what they call it, I think. Yeah, like the coffee crystals, they spoon the hot water. Yeah, yeah. So then there was like those, but it made they were like latte ones. My mom got from like somebody or something like that. And there were all these different flavors of like instant lattes, basically, but they didn't actually have any caffeine. So then when my mom would have a cup of coffee, she would, like, make me one of those. And then a lot of times would have like at night, I don't know, I drink coffee at night, but like, we were just like, hanging out, you know what I'm saying? And I kind of, like, started it. And then I just my mom would always be like, let's go get coffee or like, let's, you want to, like, go to Starbucks or something to do? Sit down with me. Let's have a cup of coffee before you take off to go do whatever you're going to do. and then that kind of just like, like you said, acquired. Tastes like I wasn't drinking it because I'm like, what's what do I want right now? I want some coffee. It was always like these nice moments with my mom where we were drinking coffee. Kind of, like, created this, like, like a hang out. Yeah, yeah, it gave me the acquired taste. I acquired the coffee for a second day. Yeah, for sure. But through that, until it got to a point where. Well, then here we go. Now we're really getting into now we're first question. Okay. Because it's not that great. but sometimes you can design a drink that's like, oh my gosh, this is it right here. This is it. Golf is normally just like cream and sugar, but then it gets to where I'm doing like Splenda instead of sugar and then Oatmilk instead of cream, which is like complicated though, you know, I'm saying that's a that's the complication. Whole milk. Can you skip skip almond milk. Where did you go? Almond. I told almond milk okay. It's out now. Oak. Oak milk. Well isn't that what I said. Oh milk. Oat milk. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm using. They didn't milk. almond first. Yeah I tried almond because I think. Yeah, I think that'd be more. Jumping to oat milk is a big one. So I was on all the milk to think about. Oh, that's nuance. That's coffee nuance. Our milk has like, I don't like the taste of it. Almond milk. Yeah. Okay. And also it clashes with other flavors. Okay. I see you're saying. Right. Whereas like milk kind of just like it's like a base. Yeah. It works with all of them you know. But then so here's how the drink design happened. I'm like it basically just comes down to like their pumps. You think you're ordering flavors, you're ordering pumps of sugar. You know, the sirup. Yeah. Whatever. It's just French vanilla caramel. Yeah. It's just fucking pumps and fucking sirup. Yeah. And, but then. So then I realized that. Okay, so I got to a point where I needed espresso in my coffee when I was like, you know, 25 because I just it gives you a little more. It really does. Oh, of course I should be in your course. Yeah. And then my favorite place milk is in Java. Best coffee shop in the world San Marcos. San Marcos, in my opinion, I. Oh, I don't think you get better coffee anywhere than milk is a Jarvis, which is great. The original location next to campus and yes, about next campus. But they give you a free shot of espresso like often. So if you get like, there's like a line for, like, their standard $5 drinks. And then if you order one of those, they're like, hey, you want a extra shot on the house? And that's like, I have a shirt that says, do you want a extra shot of the house? Because I was like, a fucking course it great business model. Oh my dumb. Yeah. And but then they would just offer that to me like all the time because I was going there all the time. And so I ordered coffee one time and they were like, do you want a shot of the house? And I was like, oh, yeah, let's do it. Because I always said yes, because it's like free money, you know? and then free value the. Yeah. Then the problem is, is that like drinking espresso is like, it's like harsh. It's like dark, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's like the bitterest. Yeah. That's your espresso, you know. Right to your face I say bitter. That's just bitter. You ever had a Cuban coffee bomb? It's just espresso and it's hard to drink. and like, to counteract the fact that at first I was just doing, like, one flavor, like the white chocolate mocha. Got it. Or I was doing, like, toffee nut lattes. Okay. But then you put the espresso in there, and I was like, I need some help side. Something else on this espresso is going off. Yeah. And, and I'm using, like, almond milk, and that's just doing, like, no damage to the espresso, you know what I'm saying is, like, hitting for zeros. And I was like, the moon. Yeah. Do you guys have any other kind of, like, lactose free milk? And then I gave out milk. I was like, all right, well, let's fucking let's do something here. Let's fucking. Okay, let's go with the coffee with the red eye and then go and do the for Splenda. And let's go with the normal amount of toffee. No sirup. But then let's try like two extra pumps of Irish cream. And could you steam the oat milk for me? Okay. And then let's put like just a little honey on top. And I will just stir that thing. Well I will just I'll make it all one color. You know it in a cauldron. Yeah. And then I was like, you have to, you know, I want to like the biggest, like a venti, but you could, like, put half the amount of coffee if you need to give me some wiggle room, work this out. You know what I'm saying, dude? And we just make, like, what is the best drink I've ever had? Bar none. I still don't get a drink like that. You're still chasing that dragon, dude. Well, I went back every day and, like, rode that dragon. Yeah, for the dragon for a while. Dragon tamer. But now, come on, there's nothing close to that. Starbucks can't touch it, dog. Yeah, it's crazy that one particular chain or that one particular restaurant. Yeah. That location. Yeah, but that's how you get to a boogers order drink. You you go through that, you start. And then now I walk into a random Starbucks and I'm like, you don't got like, you're like a fucking ninja. Like an expert, like a Somali. Yeah, you're right. You say it's like, I know what's going on here and what brandy you used for your sirups. What year did you buy those sirups first? Is that how fresh is that, sir? Anyways? Yeah, some people are. The coffee black? Yes. So black coffee is one just sitting at a solid eight. Almost him pushing a nine. Is that to that. It's a lot of that I really I, I don't do it sometimes it's funny simplicity's sake I'm just like you know it's more simple than that. But I like the ones that I always make. Donalds let you do it on a computer that's shame free. Yeah. There you go. Got bother a damn person I or the the the computer system that's handling this? Yeah, it'll be fine. Thank you. I break it to itself. What is this guy do I think? Oh my God, so many buttons. That's that's the. I'll figure it out. The karma I, I just used to lightly make fun of my mom for having a complicated Starbucks order when I was a kid. Really? Because she would always be like, Caleb, this is my podcast. Should always be like, and, if it's okay, would you mind, just putting some of the crumbles from the caramel brulée on top of my Latin for me, they're just amazing. Please. And then she always, like, had to, like, turn on, like her customer service. Had to go. And then we would, like, leave that interaction and I would be like, if it's okay, I would be you. They shut up like, no, don't make fun of it. She didn't say that to me. But it's like a childish, like, impulse, like a child would have when they like. No, they have to ask for something that I could very easily just be a no. They're like, all right, boy, I gotta turn it on. Rare charm. Oh, mama. Yeah, I found my betta eyes. Yeah. Get them puppy dog looking. Yeah. My, You know, because I would just be like, just ask. Just order it like you are paying money. They are taking your money. They just sell them. And I want the crispies from the, if you don't mind. That would be amazing. I love them, but she would be like, she's like it on extra. Yeah. She's like, I don't want to. I don't want them to. Not like me for that. Be burdened. Yeah. Don't want them to be like this lady. So I just want to ask very nicely, very sweetly, very kindly. They what am I? They do it for me. And I'd always be like. Not always. But there were several times where I felt like that we had that conversation, and then be times where she'd be like about to go do it, and then I'd be like, and then she'd be like, and then not know what to do because I had, like, burdened her with that. Yeah. I was like, I'm watching you. Yeah. And now I have no, there's no this is not like not it is genuine. But you know what I'm saying? It's almost like scripted. Yeah. Or like borderline manipulative. It's like a negative connotation to put on it. It was a strategy. Yeah. Those are politics. Yes. Politics party, y'all. Fuck. You know shit. Yeah. She wanted to say politics as usual, kid. Come on, man, give it to program. You'll figure it out. You ain't playing the game. You're losing the game. You'll figure it out in 20 years, kid. Don't worry. And now, 20 years later, being a real adult, I. I have to go sometimes order a complicated drink. And you them. Yeah. Not that's it. But could you also. And then they're like okay here you want this. This is, this sounds perfect. But one more thing sucks. Nice. This way because it's like you want the you want. The desired outcome is I want my drink to come out correctly. Yeah, but it's like the way you ask for it could determine how it comes out, I guess. I in theory it shouldn't. Like if you're just going to type it into a robot, I self register whatever, like in McDonald's or whatever. It should come out perfect. And there's no really there's no regard, there's no consequence, there's no social consequences for the way you ask for it and the way you treat that person whenever you're asking for it. Right. But with real people, there are consequences that we know happen, like just socially, like. Yeah, like your mom just saying, like, I don't want to have them dislike me. Like, even if, like even if they do accomplish it, it's like I'd rather not be a source of negative vibration for anyone for any particular reason. That's what she said. You know, I'm saying like that's that's important. That's a true thing. That's like a, like a right way to be because we would go to like three places in my mom's thing. In my mind, if you ask me about my mom, the thing I'd describe her with is everywhere we went, every person that we had to have a social transaction with, they were legitimately happier and like had an elevated frequency from that encounter after we left. Yeah. And she like, took pride in that, you know what I'm saying. Ask them about their day, talk to him for a second. You know, like be sweet, kind, uplifting and then walk away having done some good. But then if we get to that fourth one, it's like the last person we have to have a social transaction with, like, she, I think she just didn't want to drop the ball on that one too, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the way to be I guess part of that might come from what's that aspect on the personality traits. confrontation or whatever it is. assertiveness or disagreeable. There we go. Yeah. Agreeableness. Yeah. Maybe if people are more disagreeable, they don't give a fuck about the ramifications of the social interaction. Yeah, I was just, I, I don't think I, I don't think I didn't see as a kid anybody else in my life taking that much tact to do that. so I thought it was like a special thing. You know, I see you're saying most people, especially when you're in public, I feel like, man, when I was a kid, men were worried about being taken advantage of. So you had to have your guard up with, like, salesmen or store doors or coupons or discounts. What's the catch? There's no free lunch. What are you doing here? What do you want? But that's. I felt like the men. Up here, you're referring to just. Just like the people. When I was a kid, I was just, like, witnessing how watching the like society. Yeah, the 2000. I felt like being just, like, real nice to somebody. You were kind of, like, going out of your way, you know what I'm saying? and I think that people in public situations, it seemed like people had their guard more up, like, to make sure they weren't being taken advantage of by the system, much less just walking into any situation and just being like, hey, hey, how are you doing? It's like, this guy's trying to take advantage of you. What are you doing? Let's take advantage. Him of what's out? What's your brand? Yeah. Yeah, man. So, yeah, that's me with coffee. now I've sometimes my own head. I'm like, man, you talk so much that I remember, like, I'm on a podcast. Yeah. So we're doing here, though. Do you ever. Do you ever feel like that? Well, that's not my question for you. My question for you is we leave coffee. what kind of how do you take your coffee? I'm pretty simple with the coffee. I like it sweeter, for sure, than more bitter, I guess. But there was a. I don't okay. My first. I didn't really like coffee growing up as a kid. Like, I didn't really start drinking until I was like, after college. Really? I don't really drink at college either. It was like, okay, I was ever really, like looking forward to it. I was like a noob, you know what I'm saying? I really have any experience in how to craft a drink that I would like so much, you know what I'm saying? I was just like, yeah, like what I knew it to be. It was just, yeah, like I would drink a black sometimes whenever I was working at, capital. Get started. Yeah. Early on. You're really into the macros at that time, too. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to add a whole bunch extra sugar and shit into into the diet necessarily, because I. Yeah, I was definitely more so to tracking the macros, but I was definitely appreciative of the coffee because we would start our day super early at like 630. And then we were, but we would start the day with like some coffee and then I was drinking black and this. But the achieving the effect of the caffeine and like the awakening and the alert and the ability to be like, all right, let's get moving. Let's get this day started. Like the pick up, the get up and go aspect of it. That was super, super nice. So I just drank a black and that was like how I started drinking coffee. And then slowly, like I did Miss Savage, you know, I was like, it's fine. I still to this day I think it's more effective. Maybe it's just like a placebo effect or something going on, but I feel more effect from the coffee if I were to drink a black versus if I had added any anything else to it, more or less. if you cut it, there's about 70mg of caffeine per cup of coffee. I don't know what the answer to that is. Maybe like 16 ounce or 12 ounce cup of coffee or eight or something like that. Yeah, about eight, because the cups are usually smaller. I'm like venti trenta, Big Gulp, the 44 ounce coffee. Can you supersize that? Yeah. but so if you cut like eight ounces down to six ounces, that'd be like 20 less milligrams of coffee, maybe. Oh, I see saying it's like math percentage wise, it checks out. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. So I was trying to black and then achieve that effect. But then nowadays I guess I slowly started to more stuff added stevia, Splenda milk, whatever kind of creamers. But we still drink it black. But then now I'm drinking more. So, because the ladies more so like iced coffee. And she has her own kind of thing that I've been into. Or, like, I kind of try, you know what I'm saying? And then I'm like, okay, yeah, I like that. It's just like a simple vanilla iced latte with, like, I don't know, whatever. We'll do some sugar free substitutes or whatever here and there, but it's pretty much like a vanilla iced latte. That's it. Let's go to like, this is good. I'm fucking with it like a sweeter than that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You guys sweetness up. This is this. It's like the coffee ain't sweet. It's not. Yeah. Make it sweet. Yes. 100%. Yeah, bro. Actually I was I think we, took a little break real quick. I'm a call lady real quick. Yeah. I got, like, we'll give a we'll punch it back in a second. We'll be right back. Yeah. Love some. Love me some coffee. Coffee is great. Yeah, man. It's like something. Something to do as well. Go get coffee. Well, it takes a couple minutes. It's like something to do. I think target hit it. Having a Starbucks is in the targets. They hit it right on the fucking hit. Home, home, home run. Whoever pitch the idea in target. Good fucking job guy. Yeah. Or Starbucks or whoever. It's the perfect, It's grand. Yeah. It's one of the best parts of the target. Yeah. Yeah. We used to go to target for Starbucks. Yeah, right. Yeah. Genius. Yeah. Fucking genius. Kids. Yeah. We used to go walk around target this whole walk around target. a win win. Yeah. It's like we want to go to Starbucks late in the. Can we have our Starbucks now? What you want to do, it's like, well, I want to sit in this fucking usually it's pretty nasty in there. Yeah, but not too clean. Is this Starbucks? Not the target Starbucks? Yeah, but you can walk around target. Yeah. With your Starbucks. Oh, shit. Walk around. Got them, got them fucking win wins. Yeah, bro, we're gonna segue out of the coffee. Time to get in a bag. Shout out to Lennon. Lauren 6784. Matthew and Justin, have you all actually gotten wedgies? Tommy Boy drops tower bully tropes for anybody who was confused about what just happened, they we're, done with coffee talk. Now we're opening up our mailbag. Mailbag? Mailbag? The back bear. Yeah. And we didn't have a mailbag prior to episode number 49, which we're currently in, because no one had ever asks a question or requested anything on the pod. Yeah, but we've been asking you guys for the last five, six episodes. People have verbally asked me several times if there's any way that they can interact with us on the pod, you know, there we go. And we just got our first mailbag question. First piece of mail. Can you imagine, you know, you there's a letter for you. You got mail. Yeah. That's us right now. Shout out little Lauren, 6784 I've gotten wedgies. They weren't they weren't like from bullies. But I've been legit. I've been legit in my life. They were. They were from friends. They were done with love. It was a thing that guys do to each other sometimes, you know, dude. But it falls within that realm of things that guys do to each other. Just fucking to goof off in high school, like pants each other. It's another one. I've been pants. Oh, what a jerk. Let you tell this story without laughing you. Yo, when did you get pissed? Who's in high school? Dude pants. It could be hilarious or catastrophic. Diabolical. Look what we got underway. Who you with? I killed coach, I remember I was in high school, for sure. I want to say we were on the way back from, like, a pep rally because, you know, like we dismissed class for a couple minutes. We all meet in the gym, we get pep the fuck up, we get the spirit stick to beat you. What we getting beat up? Salt and pepper, and then we're walking back. So then, you know, regardless of if you have your homies in your class at that time or whatever's going on, you definitely interacting with your friends because you're all meeting in the gym and then departing from the gym at the same time by grade, and then you're walking back and then you, I'm pretty sure, have it on the walk back. And I remember, I remember having the situation happen. Boom. Presented with a fork in the road. How do you respond? Do you a like get upset or like get like afraid and and like nervous and like shy or anxious? Do you fucking own it like a fucking Justin Jefferson? Just like gradient this these options played out to you. Boom, boom. Nice more. Yeah. But it was all in an instant, you know what I'm saying. But like because I just remember feeling like own it. That was like that was the immediate response. I was like on it, who taught you that this genius, just like you take a couple extra steps, strut it out, and then just slowly pick up your pants like nothing happened. You're good to go enjoy the show, Like what you see? Like what you see. That's it bro. I was probably like 15 or 16. Aaron Rodgers levels. Fucking field awareness, dude. Holy shit. You're like, get rid of it. You rid of it? Yeah. You got to throw it now. Okay. We're fine, we're fine. Who could have been bad, good or bad there? Dude, that was money. That's like, first of all, I was like, I was wearing boxers, I remember. Oh, thank God. Yeah, that's. I'm just regular regular boxers like plaid. Dark. That's what I saw in my mind, right? Like plaid dark green boxers or some shit. A dodge, the vin pants been wedged, but nothing catastrophic or malice, you know? No crazy mal intent, no actual bowling. Yeah, I guess my only interaction with, like, a, I guess what I would consider to be like a true bully. I guess I'm trying to recall back. Middle school. High school old. Yeah. Like it's sacred film. Yeah. Back. Yeah. I guess maybe in middle school and high school, a couple run ins, nothing but nothing crazy. I remember there's actually one instance where some guy was just being a douche. I think we were. It was like seventh grade football. We're outside waiting to get into the locker room for some reason or something. I don't even remember what was going on. I just thought we were outside and then waiting to go inside. And then within that waiting period, he was, I don't remember his name or like, anything that was like, really going on between us or like what the true story was. Just remember being annoyed by him and him like purposefully using his free will to like, annoy me or like to be like, be bothersome. You know? And then I think that one got to a point where I remember, I think I was like, pushed him or something. Yeah, yeah. I think he's like, he was sitting on something. I pushed him off of it. Oh, something like sitting like. Yeah. Like the, like the hand railing, like, like a like a sidewalk from, like a locker room out to the field. Yeah. Like the handrails on each side. Oh, yeah. I think he was sitting on that then. It wasn't that he was, wasn't. No, nothing. Did the bullying get better after it or. Yeah it was. That was supposed to be this one instance of squash beef. I think most of the time boys would need a week target, you know, or someone that will allow it to integrate into their life. Maybe it's not even a week target, but like we were talking about like right before we got back on like the accepting of the situation. Yeah. Instead of you were like, no, I don't accept this at a bare minimum, you're going to have to go to violence to continue what you're doing. But some people are like there are people who were like yes we're getting to violence. Yeah. Yeah. But like for I think like most school bullies they're like oh shit I got to fucking, I got to find some kind of pussy out here that's going to take, you know, especially. Yeah. Especially if it's like, I guess in that particular situation, I remember he wasn't like a particularly, like, physically, like, threatening. I was like kind of a bitch, like, what are you doing? Yeah. Like you're silly. I gotta show you nature real quick. Yeah. Like, why are you being so rude? Such an asshole to myself. I'm pretty chill most of the time. I've seen that the verbal addressing just like, does more you like, someone's more embarrassed to get, like, sizzled with the words than if you just beat the shit out of them like they're not. I don't think they'd be that. I mean, I've never beat the shit out of someone, but I don't think most fights get their most fights get to like, a lot. then they, like, pull you apart. that's really do much for the war, you know what I'm saying? If anything, you're just now that up. But if you're walking around, be like, dude, your fucking dick. Like, why? Why these wake up in the morning and talking with you. The fuck you don't make you, you know, breakfast or like, no one makes you breakfast or what do you. I don't know how you get so pissed off by 838 and pissing in the Cheerios. Yeah, bro. What the fuck, man? Like, you work on that, you work out, you fucking do some yoga, talk to somebody, you can kind of fucking get in there with someone real quick and be like, why are you doing what you're doing? It's weird. And I feel like sometimes if you do that in front of other people, it'll like really stop the behavior, be like, oh shit, no, no, I got to stop doing that. You know? But like in a public setting, because if you just do it isolated, they'll just leave and be like, fuck that guy. He knows. Yeah, he knows. I gotta get worse now. I know it's just one on one. Yeah, yeah. You kind of need the audience. Then again, there's the man's observer. You can give the man's talk. Look, man, look, man, I got to talk to you. This ain't your final one. I'm done. Frankly, man to man. My my race. No, bitch. I'm being a real star. I'm being real honest with you. There's some guys that are like. I've definitely before been like, hey, man, like, in front of people. But, like, okay, but. And then that person's like, bro, why don't you just give me the man's talk? You know what I'm saying? You just, like, talk to me one on one. Like a man told me what was up. I would have appreciated that a lot more than, like, now I'm on public ridicule. Yeah. And then I'm like, oh, I gotta watch out for your feelings now. Yeah, yeah. You fucking regard my feelings for like, six months, bro. And now, listen, I got to take real special care of how I handle you, but, like, if I'm going to be the winner, I kind of do, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That is kind of like the most elevated probably version of conflict resolution. The main man. Yeah. The main event or just the heart to heart. The one on one type of just like what's wrong bro. Like what's, what's going on. You're right. Because this just going on is not cool. Yeah. Not cool. But sometimes my focus need the public ridicule. It depends. Right? Maybe you should maybe should try to put the man man first. Then might be the first best option. Maybe sometimes it's like, what do you want? If you can really break through to someone. Like, sometimes I think people might need someone just to talk to them. Like that so that they like, you know, have an opportunity to like, move an axiom. Because sometimes if you're just getting embarrassed and shit on, you're not going to want to like, reach down internally and move some stuff around. You're going to get like super defensive, you know what I'm saying? Much more likely. Yeah. Much more likely. And also like you said we fucking men use this terminology on one of our podcasts. We outsource sanity outsourcing. And I think that's like part of it is like if I deem you to be, like, sane and responsible and, like, really on your shit, and then, like you point out, like a bad flaw in my recipe or my, like, what I'm doing. And then it's like, I would like, outsource some of that saying I'd be like, oh shit, maybe he's right. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, I do respect that person. I do appreciate them. They do seem to have a put it together, put together and just people. I don't think anybody has a fucking put together, you know what I'm saying? Everybody's like a little more all struggling, scrambling to understand what's going on around doing our best. Yeah, doing our best. That's like the as good as it gets is doing your best. Yeah, yeah. No one's got it all figured out. Nobody nobody. Nobody's perfect. And so, you know, I think that I think so if if you realize that somebody is going to help you with something you're struggling with, you'd rather have them, like fucking talk to you, help you digest it, maybe be able to ask something back, maybe be able to seek further understanding of like why their behavior is bothering them so much or what they're doing that so wrong. Or like if someone's a liar and they like all the fucking time, that drives me fucking crazy. Like, I can't stand that shit, you know what I'm saying? but then, like, if I get into that heated conversation where I'm like, dude, you lie all the fucking time, like, I can't. It's so hard for me to like, base anything that you say in reality or to like, trust that, like, if you have an excuse for something or like some kind of some, it seems like you always have a perfect reason to not be in trouble or to not be in the wrong. Which is frustrating because like, how do I have a cooperative relationship with someone who is never going to be in the wrong? And a lot of it's just based on you're not even living in the actual timeline. And I got to go live in a fake timeline to keep up with you and then like, maybe just explaining all that to some. No, maybe no one ever explained it. Me. Maybe that person thought everybody lied. All the time. you know what I'm saying? And I think that there's, like, way more opportunity for growth in the man to man because of those reasons. 100%. Yeah, the heart to heart. It's kind of like what therapy is about, or the idea of talking to somebody is trying to figure out what the fuck's going on with you. Yeah, but that's a that's a big ask for in the bullying realm because it's like, oh fuck this motherfucker, this motherfucker. I had a really elevated thought. How do people bullying sorry. However, because I had to bring it back before we could continually progress down this rabbit hole further and further. Yeah, you're right. The breadth and depth. Have you been legit? Yeah. Look, it's my dad or my uncle. Or was it on? So what is it? That slushy, slushy? What does it. Really swirl. Oh, bless you fucking. That's so funny that it's really was everything. I believe he forgot that was a trope. Until just now. I've never been put in a locker, never been Swirly locker is way more like the swirly was. Dude, that they don't your head right? That's some KGB torture shit that's fucked up. That's waterboarding. That's fucked up and disgusting. We friends are, That's fucking, terrible, horrible term. People are fucked up like people are so fucked up. That's the thing about the same. I think bullying in the 70s and 80s was way worse. Way worse. There was no internet guy. There was no accountability for fucking behavior. Okay. You know, the idea of politically correct wasn't even a thing. No. Yeah. So I don't know if it's cuz my dad or my uncle. God what did you do a few times in their life. But they would wedgie the shit out of me bro. Atomic. Yeah. I got picked up off the ground a couple times. Oh, no. You said the dude is, It's awful, but, like, you know, as a case over the. Wear your underwear on your ass in your head at the same time, like, it's, it's a lot, you know, it's that you got to put your head on. Yeah, yeah. It's awful. Yeah. We're talking young. You know how you say how old? I would say from, like, ages 3 to 6, you know? Okay. Yeah. Super. Super young. Yeah. Maybe by the time I was ten, I got legit a couple times in grade school as a callback joke. Okay. There you go. But, like, they were always it. And good fun. Like, it didn't really, like, hurt, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, getting tickled kind of hurts, but, like, doesn't, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, that could be torture. Is. Honestly, honestly, I brought up tickling because I was conflicted when I said that, because there was a couple times when my parents would tickle me so much that I'm like, you guys got to stop this, please. I'm going to beat myself, I think. What's up? Like, they'd be myself. And there was like, oh, shit, we fucked up. What have we done? Like, that's not okay. That's us. And that was it. I told you, I it, dude. You get it? You guys suck. Oh, God. This dude I know, they kind of chilled out after that. You got chill. Oh, go. Yeah. You got it. Yeah. Hang them up for that one. You hang up the tickle. That's a good thing. Is the guy I go look at my. God, if I never took him. So again. At Oh my God, if I never took a single thing again. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah, like I got Tickle Me Elmo. What I did, it was just PTSD flashback. I was like, oh, no, no, I you see my parents kind of being like, Tickles. God, what do you think about that? We don't do it. The oh, my God, that's so funny. Yeah, yeah. So that that was it was the thing. I think it was because I was real ticklish, you know, I was like, they thought it was hilarious that some people, some people aren't ticklish, I guess. And I'm like, yeah, what is that like? It's just sensitivity, I guess. So I don't know, like a scale, I guess, of how much it takes to, to give you the, the that what is that sensation you say, what the fuck is that? It took me a second to think about it, to be able to do like that. But yeah, I feel like it's been a while since anybody's fucking tickled me. You know, they're saying so you know, what the fuck is that? Where's that come from? This got fucked up. Why are you touching me? Yeah. What the hell? Your parents. It's okay. But, yeah, I just like getting tickled. Yeah, I guess they're strange things that. The hell. It must be like a nerve ending, for whatever reason. Under your arm. Yeah. Definitely has a sensation when fucking. And whatever you would call touching something, and it's stimulated or like that makes you laugh, which is, like, funny to anybody who's not laughing because it's like, why are you laughing when I just because I make you laugh. Everyone wants to be a comedian deep down. Yeah. Get to fucking laugh. Who doesn't want to cry? Then you go, you're going to push yourself. So thank you. Laugh so hard for love. That's about as much crush as it gets. Yeah. People are laughing, crying, in pain of being like. I've tickled like a baby in a very wholesome way, you know? Like, yeah, baby. Like he's know it's fun. That's human nature. But there's like, a Duvall lady up. I think I was extraordinarily ticklish when I was a kid. I think that was a thing that was like there, like let's. It was like they became power hungry. They. Oh my gosh, she laughed so hard. We do so little. This takes. Power. I just stop killing. Yeah. Oh my god. No swirlies, no spoilers. You know, swirlies are lockers. Come on wedges. The what did you do for sure? You. I'm trying to think if I ever got actually what you did in the public domain. maybe, maybe for maybe, like an elementary school as a joke, like you said. Like you're being fucking boys with your friends. Yeah. Being silly. did I ever get pants crazy? I think I was a flashback of me in elementary school looking. I was looking at a we were getting handed things. We were all sitting in, you know, class. It was. We're all sitting around in our chairs. And it was we weren't at desks. We were in a circular, a circle of chairs. And like I said, the teacher was handing out stuff to us, calling us up one by one. I guess maybe handing back a paper, whether it be a test or a certificate or, whatever the fuck she was handing out, handing out something to us. I remember getting the thing, like going back to my seat, like looking at it, and then sent it back down and then sitting on nothing. the chair was gone. There was no chair. Just sat on it. Dude, that's, was. What are we doing? Dude? I was going for laughs. I was trying to kill the. It killed the whole room buzzing. No. I lost the word to to the intrusive thought realm. And I pulled the chair out on this man. Yeah, I'm pretty sure his name was Josh. High school. Elementary school. Oh, we're going deep, deep cuts. Yeah. If you're out there somewhere watching my podcast one day, I'm sorry about this, but I pull that chair out. We're doing math. I don't know, fucking something. Everybody's working and doing collaborative. The room's kind of chaotic, but there's organized chaos. And he's standing up to to to talk across the desk about something. And I just fucking. Was there and did you did you have any beef with this kid fryer? Dude, he was kind of like a kind nerdy, I think he tucked in his shirt some days. Oh, I thought he definitely probably was like one of the guys on a trajectory to get, like, a professional white collar job. He was just. Just a nice kid, and I walked by. I'm pretty sure what happened is I'm walking him, walking, walking. And then first, I don't know exactly what happens if I let you watch the damage. If I forget what's going on. But if I get distracted, somebody's like, hey, Matthew, what the what the so so so so. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I look back just in time to watch him just. Plummet. Plummet to the earth. To collapse like a tower being detonated. And and he was gone. It it, my immediate thought was like, oh, what have I done? Oh, fuck. What did it just. It didn't look funny. It looked horrible. You know, I was it, you know, depends, you know, laughs and and I just faded that thing. Dude, I just ghosted. No. Did this. guys, who did that fucking who did that? Did you do that? Yeah. And he never knows me. never knew damn socks. Yes. Yeah, I own that. I'm sorry. Damn. It's all good talk. Yeah. If you want to pull out a shout out, why do I do that? Well, yeah, that'd be funny. That'd be funny if it felt so ugly. Yeah. The image. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think it maybe that's what it is. We just think it's going to be funny. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's almost a dangerous thing to try to want to be funny that bad. Oh, right. It's folger's. Oh. That's you. Yeah, yeah. But if you're going for the laugh. So, so like ambitiously or so. Just like neighbors laugh reckless desperation laughs naked. Yeah. Try and be like a shock jock. Right. Like that's like a physical comedy shock jock. Yeah. There's like, jackass doing crazy shit. Yeah. Truth. Yeah. Like laughter. Laughter. It's great. It's great. We all love that shit. We all want to make people feel that. And if you don't try something wrong with you, probably something wrong with you. Not wrong. But there's something going on with you, you know, like to laugh. Yeah. If you don't like. Everyone likes to laugh, everyone likes to laugh. And I think everyone likes the feeling of making other people laugh as well. right. When you tell a joke and people laugh. Yeah. When you pull someone's chair and they fall and everyone laughs, everyone's like, hey, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's kind of rude, but I'm glad I didn't do it. Yeah, yeah. Who wants to be part of it? No one wants to be part of environment or bullying the ashes in the world. Don't be bullying. Pick your targets, kid. Though, but I do. I do agree we shouldn't be judging people. Probably don't want to. I think me. So I guess maybe the comedy or the bullying might be stemming from a combinational place of some preexisting shit. I think all the stems from household higher raise kind of shit. You know what's going on at home, dude? That's where I don't bully people. That's where it all starts from. But then I also that might be coupled with the desire to fit in, or the desire to be liked and socially accepted and climb the social hierarchy. So a way to do that is to make people laugh, and a way to do that is to pick on people or whatever. It's like fucking dogging on someone or you paying someone going for the laughs. People got pinched a lot. So those things was in a high school locker room. Just the panting was like almost like a handshake or something and shit. Yeah. It's a weird thing. It's a weird thing. We are going on. What the hell are we doing. I don't know. So we're just we're just animals. We're just fucking animals. Yeah. We're just like wolves. You know what's funny is like dogs, you get to a point where I'm like, don't fucking pants me, pussy. You pants me. It's running to a fight. It's like, is that the wrong behavior? Like, no, I'm saying, you make a joke. No. Me? I'm coming for your family. Okay? There's levels and layers and a balance because, yeah, you should have the ability and desire to, like, stand up for yourself, for sure. So I think that's where that energy comes from. Yeah, but then you can stretch beyond it and be like your whole family. That. Yeah, that's what the fishies do. They got kneecaps. Not anymore. The visitor to the yeah, I feel you. I think that there is one thing is that if you're living in a culture of, like, low self-respect. So everybody's just like, no, okay. With this panting each other culture, it's like some of that is on you guys. Like, if I have enough self-respect to be like, don't fucking pants me, pussy. Stay in your lane, dog. You want to play word games with each other, that's fine. But, like, I have more self-respect than that. Yeah, I'm not playing that game. Right. That's cool, that's cool. It might like out you from the fraternity of the Brotherhood. Yeah. You know. So if you cared about the fraternity of the Brotherhood, that the problem is that you pants me on the wrong day, I might lose my fucking shit on you because you're playing a stupid fucking game. I didn't want to play. But for the sake of your brotherhood, you know I'll allow the game to exist. Yeah, I will openly protest. Right? But you're doing a crazy thing, bro. You fucking pants, man. I'm like, fucking got screamed at at practice all day or coach called me a bitch or something. Yeah, like, whoa, I guess that's the bitch. Yeah, well, he's getting content. Yeah. And, fucking if you do, you might end up just fucking wrestling. Dude, I'm not fucking the wrestler type you out, bro. I'm at the wrestling. Yeah, you're my boxers, bro. That's what my uncles will give. Fuck. That's how I like. That's how I lie on the fucking problem. How I sit on it. Yeah. You want to. Yeah. It's definitely one thing if you're not participating in that game you know if like it's obvious that you're not trying to jockey for social position or you're not really involved in the social circles of whatever the fuck's going on. Yeah. You know, yeah. If you're not really trying to go for that, it's like, I'm not like you're not like, oh, like super involved with, like the, the observer side of it even, you know, if someone else gets pantsed, it's like, I'm so not in that game that I don't even, like cheer or like watch. I'm like, oh, okay, they're going again. But it'd be another thing if you're like involved in like laughing and stuff. But if you're openly and obviously not involved in the game and then they bring you into the game when you've expressed interest, not be in the game, that's where it gets a little squirrely. Yeah, that's you said chick is a little squirrely because yeah, I try to play that game or there's other ways of trying to the trying to maybe shortcut like the social hierarchy or like the status that is given to them through objective reality that other people are viewing. And I'm trying to shortcut that objective viewing of themselves. It's like, what do you do that just be more competent? Or it's like, if you want to be funny than be competent at being funny. Like, don't just be a fucking jackass. Be a fucking comedian. Most comedians have to be smart and like, aware and like alert and nuance to be that funny. People aren't trying to work that hard, to be that nuanced and that funny. Maybe you just want to paint somebody. I think if you sat that down and told that to somebody, I think that would, like change their life if they were habitual doing all the stuff you were talking about, like someone just being a jackass and like, like you said, they're not very competent, so they don't. And then just like pants on people who are like, you know, doing their job respected. Well, you're higher on the hierarchy and you're trying to shortcut and streamline by being a jackass. It's like, that's not okay. That's not how nature works. Yeah. It's a it's a it's a losing game. Yeah. So losing that kid. But I do a lot of people, it's like you have whatever trauma you have when you're growing up and you have whatever intelligence God gave you. And like, that's what you cook away. That's what you're cooking with. Those are your ingredients, you know what I'm saying? So it's like. Unless somebody like you comes along and that you cooking with somebody like you comes along and they can like, enlighten someone, you know what I'm saying? Like, edify them. Like, show them like, this is this is what you're doing. You would want to be nuanced. You'd want to be competent. You'd want to be funny. You know, in a way that's this isn't funny. People are laughing, but it's not technically funny. Like, yeah, there's no respect to give out here, you know? In fact, like, you do this the wrong person. It's not going to go well for you. Yes. That's the other thing. Yeah. So like those, you know, maybe someone doesn't have the, the wisdom like no one bestowed that upon them. And they're not like just analyzing life like a joke or not. So they're just like you missing that. You know what I'm saying? Like a juggernaut. That's what that's out here for. Maybe. Yeah. So what I've come to realize is I think people are just. We're all just, like, missing key information sometimes. Yeah, yeah. What is going by? Getting by, trying to figure it out. we're all day by day. We're all experiencing today and in our own unique way. There's 8 billion versions of today going on. Crazy, crazy. And you didn't know for sure you were going to get here. No one knows is going on in the grandest of schemes. People know what's going on on a micro scale. They know where they live, they know what's going on in their company two, three or going on. There's crazy shit going on at the macro west of macro level. So we can't even understand. But that's okay. It's all it's that's okay. We're here for it. It's all Gooch just doing our best. And I was thinking about it. Is it like is ignorance bliss. Like if you don't know what you're missing out on, are you missing out on anything? I think it's like. Yes, I mean, but no, that's why it's off. But yeah, cliche, but no. Okay. Go on that. That's as far as I got. As far as I got. I mean, let's say like you're ignorant of the pothole on 31st Street. Don't even know about it. You're not bothered by it. Who gives a fuck? You don't even know about it. Yeah. There's there's so many potholes out there that I have no idea existed. Yeah, but then you drive in and you fucking hit that pothole and you're going fast because you didn't know it existed. And then it popped your tire, and now you can't drive to work. It's like, that's not a blissful experience. Ignorance is not bliss. In that moment. Not at all. Not at all. But in another scenario is ignorance. The not knowing. Yeah. Something. Lack of awareness. The follow up scenario is, you know. Just just finding the right words. Here. Find them. Let's just go with this, okay? You're, Man, it's just tough. But let's just say, like, if you that, you know, okay? This is not it. This is okay. And detour. Got a detour? Yeah. Omaha. Let's say, like, with, America, let's say, like, if the CIA killed JFK, it's like, do we want to know that? You know what I'm saying? If your dad cheated on your mom, do you want to know that if it was like 30 years ago when they got over it, it's like, do you want to know all the gross details that wouldn't make a difference on your life if you didn't know? if your girlfriend used to be, ballet performer, you know, professional dancer, professional ballet five years ago, before she met you. Like. Do you need to know that? Would you be happier if you didn't know that? that first initial reaction thought the truth will set you free. Let's go. Let's. The truth is delicious. It's delicious. For the spirit. The truth. The truth. Okay. Closer to reality. Yeah. You need to. You need to know what the fuck's going on. But I don't know man. Yeah dude. Because like it's like. Oh, dad, you your mom. That's why mom was kind of a bitch when I was like, the rest of our life. Yeah, a lot of things could start falling into place or start making more sense. It's like CIA kill. JFK is with fucking. Is this why CIA is going fucking crazy? This is what's going to corrupt. Yeah, we don't want to see that. Right. Or that's going to be a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. We're coming from that one. Yeah. That's me. Bananas. Yeah I think that you need I think you need the context. I think you need to know the truth. And that's another thing that brings up. It's like ignorance is bliss but the truth will set you free. And then there's also like truth and then like right and wrong like ethical ethics. You know what I'm saying. Like was like the right thing to do. Yeah. Like we're talking about in the, in the last pod, talking about like if someone gives you shitty service, then the truth is you should give them a shitty tip, you know? But like, we can go against that because that could be like a, there's like a more right thing, a more truer truth that's beyond this sub, the sub sublevel truth that we can see with our eyes or whatever, you know, interpret some deeper going on. We can't see. But that brings a, talking about that. I had that kind of already in the chamber because I was thinking about talking about the shit I watched last night that you recommended. We talk about for a little bit. We'll see myself, like ten minutes, but, Your Honor. Oh, yeah. Gas. Let's go, let's go. Oh, I've been trying to put. Oh, I'm trying to put people on that show for like, the last two weeks. Gas, bro. So we're talking about that just like I want to talk about the first episode for like a little bit. Yeah, I'm put on ten minutes on my timer. You can give myself ten minutes if you don't want to hear any spoilers about Your Honor, skip ahead in a little, skip ahead. But it's Bryan Cranston, the same actor from Breaking Bad. He's in. He's like main character. He's popping off. It's a great show as long as I need to know. Skip ahead ten minutes because there's going to be some fucking spoilers. I'm gonna start at ten minutes right now, but shit's popping off. First episode I read the fuck I read the I wish I didn't read it, I wish I just hit play, but I read the fucking thing, and the thing says like, it pretty much gives away the hit and run and the aspect that the son or the guy is the kid is the judge's son. It's like, it says, like a judge's son or like a judge starts to bend. To bend like the the laws of justice or like the, the view or whatever, bend justice in a situation with his son in a hit and run accident or something like that. And I was like, oh shit. And then like within the first 30s of watching it or like two minutes, I was like, oh man, I wouldn't read that because like, I did like the driving and shit and I can see, like, all problems. That's Bryan Cranston doing his running thing. Okay. He's a judge. Oh. Oh, okay, then like I, I saw what's about to take place. Yeah, but you wish you could have just taken it. I said yeah, because like, Tori was just like, oh shit. She was like, this is this. It's crazy. Pardon the fuck off. And it's still crazy, even though even if you read that. Yeah, yeah. We're like we're like 2 or 3 episodes in nice, but it's fucking lit so far. But like the idea of doing what's right and doing what's true or and doing what's legal or illegal and moral and immoral, that's like what the whole premise of the show is about is fucking lit is because it's talking about like the the justice system, like the main character's character is a judge and it has like it like the other sub characters. It brings in like the, the police department and like the, the DA's and like the, the lawyers. And it's like kind of like the criminal justice system, like kind of key players in there so far. I'm sure I get more and more ramped up, but like talks about like the immoral nature of like kind of how she goes down. Yeah. But corruption. Yeah. It was I guess like the thing that I was thinking about was kind of cool in the first episode, there's like an echo that I saw between the, the moment, the first time or I guess in the opening scene, whenever the sun hits, hits the kid on the motorcycle, and then he's going, and then he's like, panicking, trying to figure out what to do, and he tries to, like, help him and then tries to call 911 or whatever. But then just like fucking panics and dips and like, there's a phone in the river, it was like, that was a moment of like, what's right to do? What's wrong to do? Like what's legal, illegal and like moral and immoral and like in the moment. Yeah. Like the overwhelming, the overwhelming nature of the moment led to panic and like a miss, a misstep, more or less like a wrong action. Yeah. It's like there was a right thing he could have done, but he didn't do it. But then it was like echoed later on in the same episode, whenever Bryan Cranston is like, oh shit. Okay, well, we gotta go to the cops. Yeah, get this shit under wraps. You probably you are going to go to jail. We'll make it work, too. We'll take care of it. We'll make it happen. And then doing the right thing. And then he goes into the police department or into the police station. And then he goes to the office. We are waiting at the desk for the front desk person to return. There's no one at the front desk. And then he looks over and sees the mom and the dad of the kid that he killed. And then. And the moment he's like, realizing who it is. And then he's like also brought like to the same moment, the same like two different scenes, but the same moment is occurring in both characters as the dad and the son, and they both react the same way. Where is it? Where it is the brought with and faced with a choice of either doing like what's right or what's wrong, what's moral, immoral, legal and illegal. And then it's like he sees that the parents of the of the kid who his son had killed in his hit and run accident, and then it's the father and mother of or the father and the mother. I forget the name, like Baxter. And they come from the Baxter family. But that Baxter family's, like, well known to be very crime affiliated and like, the most crime affiliated family in the city. So then it's just like, oh, fuck. Like, so they don't even play by the rules of really, like, legal and illegal, you know, saying. So I was like, oh fuck. Like, it's wild West out here, baby. Where the Wild West kid? And then he he dips, he runs, he also runs. He does the same thing. Yeah, we're in the Wild West. So I want an echo. What a tight show. Oh, yeah. That's what you're saying. Mom wanted to involve the police at the last second. I want to do the right thing. All the police? Yeah, the both of them did the same. Exact. Yeah. Same thing. That's a nice catch. It's cool. I was really tripping over how in the hidden run they made it, like, as morally gray as they possibly could. Like the kid feels like he's endangered or those guys are chasing him. Yeah, that was fucked up too. I was like, man, what the fuck's going on with them? Why? They're chasing this kid. Yeah, I thought maybe because he's a judge's kid. Maybe. Maybe we're going to find out later. I think we have to. Yeah, I think that's part of it. I don't know if they. I think that's part of it. I don't know, I still don't know. but they, They're chasing him. Yeah. So he's, like, panicked when he's driving, you know what I'm saying? And he's trying to, like, get away. He has asthma. Yeah, and he has asthma. And then he, like, is having an asthma attack, and he drops his inhaler so he can't get to his inhaler. He can't breathe. And he's driving away from these people. He's out of gas. And. Yeah. And then a guy and on a motorcycle, it doesn't even clearly show like whose fault the accident is. I don't think it really shows him like going into the other lane. It doesn't show him going into the other lane, but it's definitely shows him like reaching for the season. I think it implies it, but it definitely didn't show it. So I guess it could be the other way around or in reality reality we might see like security cam footage of the accident and it's like Rocco's fault, you know what I'm saying? That he completely drove. He blew a red light or something. Which is crazy to think about, right. Yeah. But like, so morally gray, morally gray as fuck, like, then he goes to the kid, tries to give him CPR. Disgusting, disgusting. He's got oh my God, I had me that I, me, I was like, would you guys like bleeding olive out of his mouth and throat? And it's like he's just full of blood oxygen, his lungs full, lungs full of blood. And then he's like, on the phone with nine on one, and this guy can't breathe, so he can't, like, talk. He's has his asthma attack. He can't speak. Yeah. He hasn't had his inhaler his entire time. And then he's like trying to give the kid the CPR. And then he watches him die. More or less like it does imply that to some degree, like the light, he either goes unconscious or dies. And then Adam kind of takes it to to ever think that he's dead. And then he goes to the car like crawls to the car, gets there so that because he needs his inhaler, then gets the inhaler, then at that point, like, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, oh my gosh, I just had somebody so like, he couldn't do that. So he did everything he could all the way up to that point. And it's like like you said, like the very last moment. He's like, I ain't going down for this. it was panic. I was like, the version. Yeah, yeah. But then also, I guess it comes the whenever Bryan Cranston's moment comes up and then he has that same thing, his reasoning for leaving, I guess maybe like the kid's reasoning for leaving was like just more panic, panic ridden and like, it's not doing the right thing. It's like, didn't wanna get in trouble. But then whenever Bryan Cranston does it, he's he's leaving because it's like, oh shit. Like, yeah, these people literally don't play by the justice legal illegal system at all. So like the if I tell if I do the right thing, he's they're gonna kill my son for sure and probably me. So I was like, oh, fuck, we can't play by these rules anymore. We have to go to the Wild West version of ourselves right now, kid. We got to break bad right now. Yeah. It's like for the rest of your life, you're gonna have to. We're like, we gotta fucking get this straight. Like, yeah, for the rest of your life. It's like, oh, this is crazy. But yeah, well, I guess. But in that moment, whenever he panics and dipped the kid because he was, like, afraid of getting in trouble, it's like, if he didn't do that, he'd be dead. They would. They would have. They would have got him in prison or whatever. Yeah. And I'm saying that family, that criminal family. Yeah. So it's like, oh shit, it's kind of good thing he didn't do that. All right. Right. Yeah. When you're flipping the plane upside down, it's crazy. So yeah, it's the whole the whole series is premised on legal, illegal, moral, immoral, right and wrong. Yeah. Ethics, whatever. Like that. That idea of criminal justice system. Yeah. That whole thing, it's just like, oh, this is fucking awesome. Only a couple episodes in, but it's fucking lady MC titty. It's amazing how far you stick. there's 20 episodes out. Two seasons of two seasons. I think I just finished episode 16 last night. Oh, fuck this bitch. Yeah, we it's good. Dude. It just doesn't stop. It just doesn't stop, love. It was. Sin is so good. So it's so good. So far, I've only got 2 or 3 episodes in. It's so solid you're going to hit. You get hit with so many twists and turns. You're just like, ow, ow, ow. What's going on here? What is going on here? It's been. This is really good. Oh my gosh. Yes. I fucking love that. Yeah, it's fucking tight. Yeah, that was a cool little segway because we were talking about right and wrong. I forgot how we was Segway into there. Yeah. The bullies we talked about bullying. Yeah. Whenever you said like truth and then what's right. and I think that the word that popped into my head is like righteousness. I think like righteousness. And it's I don't know if this is the right definition, but I think it's like something about balancing like the truth and what's right and grace and grace maybe. Yeah. And when you like, are able to do what's right and act in accordance to truth. And then, that probably requires a lot of grace to, like, keep those things afloat. I think that would make you a righteous person, but that's like a very difficult thing to do, you know, super, super crazy hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I in the simple metaphor of the waitress or whatever, like shitty service, it's like you got to get you have to have Grace a certain amount of something to be like, that's okay. Yeah. It's okay. I don't contempt you. I don't condone you. Yeah, it's all right. The people call it like Old Testament. I don't know if that's like a true definition of it, but like, a lot of people are like, you can't reward poor behavior. So, like, if someone gives you shitty service, you're, like, ethically responsible to give them a shitty tip because otherwise you're just like, promoting to be in line with nature. Yeah. You're running untruth. Yeah. You're like, oh, that's okay. Keep doing that. Yeah, you can do whatever you want. I'll give you money. sometimes you stand for something. Yeah. I'm like something to stand for. man going to have cold. We're back on that ten minutes. We just talked about it, but, Your Honor, watch this. Highly recommended. Guaranteed. Guest. Yes. Bryan Cranston makes me a favor. He was. Bryan Cranston makes bangers. Bryan Cranston is great. Colby. One of my favorite actors for short top three. He's in there. He's great. Fucking love that guy, man. but. Yeah, it's a fine balance, I guess. Yeah, between having given the shitty tip or give the good tip with the shitty service because you don't want to be like, yeah, continue to do that, propagate that going forward. That's good, that's good. But. I guess the grace needs to be given with the truth as well. Or like it's the, the combination of the things. Maybe grace with no truth is kind of like that. It's like kind of like giving a good tip to shitty service without saying anything. But the combination of the two would be to, I guess. I don't know, let them know or I don't, I don't, I guess I don't know how you would do that. It's true. Like. It's okay. But you know, if you don't say that, it's okay and just leave a good tip in advance. You know, maybe just like that, that's enough. The addressing. I don't know, these be the combination of both because you can just propagate bullshit going forward and say that's what she knew. Or like in that interaction. I don't think I had to say anything. You know, I want you to drop the check or what? I just feel like I knew she knew service kind of sucked. It wasn't like I didn't need to be like, hey, you're service fucking sucked, you know what I'm saying? and so I feel like I don't feel like. I don't feel like when I gave her that tidbit, it propagated her poor performance. I think she was definitely like, it's the same way. I feel like if you do something wrong and then you feel bad about it and then like, you know, God forgives you, you get a second chance. Or like, you know, I don't think you walk away being like, well, sheesh, I can just do whatever I want around these parts. Was this that there's some dessert like that. Not ashamed but and not guilty. But it's just like you feel like you were just giving grace. Never relief. It's like humbling. You know what I'm saying? it's like, okay, I'm gonna I'm going to do a little better because I'm lucky to still be here, you know? Yeah, I would hope ideally it's just going on. Yeah. Come on people. That's the ideal outcome. Yeah. Yeah. I think most people are trying their best. People want to be humans. They want to have human interactions. Yeah. It's like we have I was trying to conceptualize it. It's like we have I think I've heard it expressed in this way before. But the idea that we have debt, like we all have debt like we're all sinners in that regard. You know, we all have debt, but everyone has varying amounts of of debt or sin and missing the mark. Yeah. But I think ultimately we do get our debts wiped, you know, say our debts get paid, my debts are paid. So it's really, you know. Yeah. But I guess with that being said, it may lead to the idea of, well, if I know all the debts are going to be paid, at the end of the day, it's all Gucci. It's like, then why not fucking just have a home? What a debt get wiped off something I wiped away anyway, that's like, I think trying your best is trying to mitigate the amount of debt that you have or trying to not incur any extra, like, spiritual debt. You know what I'm saying? I think you know it's the wrong thing. and so if you want not, there's just like, I don't think anybody feels good about doing the wrong thing over and over. Then you can redefine what the right and the wrong thing are, like you said, like, if the criminal. Yeah, right. If they're criminals, they're going to kill you. Don't play by the justice. The United States justice system. And that's what we're basing our right and wrong on. It's like then we take it to a different morality. Yeah, and redefine our right and wrong. but ultimately, like, that's I think that's why the show is called Your Honor is because it's like. That guy is the honorable judge. So and so like, they call it like honorable. Yeah. And in courts, Your Honor. Yeah. And like but there's also like the like what? Like, how many lies does he have to tell before he's stained his own honor? Or can you lose your honor or like, you know what I'm saying. That's the other like hit of the title of the show. Yeah. It's, it's like someone says like on, on your honor, like I don't. How do you define honor. Yeah. Like your word. Yeah. Your honor, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. And like the the judge, he could potentially loses on our ability. Like, no longer deemed as someone with honor. He could still be a judge in the Honorable so-and-so. But like, people think of him as an honorable person. Two. Yes. You know. Yes. Some different there. Yeah. That stretches beyond and transcends the legal system. Yeah. Exactly. Like the idea of the judge and, Your honor, like those, there's an idea of something that we're trying to personify and trying to constrict or, you know, center, to embody and to make sense of. Yes, we know there's justice out there or whatever, you know? So I, I think that's where we get it from the idea that God or like, the universe is just and writes his wrongs and like, makes things happen. And like we see that play out like people's karma and things like that. Right. That's what's going on. I think it's best not to stem from I think I'm sure it's where it has that. That's where the, the, the judge had to have stem from. And the United States legal system. Yeah. Yeah. That, that the idea of faction reaction from the British system's been around for a while. Yeah. Right. And where the fucking wigs and shit. Yeah. You said wear the wigs in the gown. The whole nine. Fucking what in John. And, and in the Viking time in the 1600s they had a lawmaker. It's like a person in charge of law making the laws and upholding the laws and ultimately, like convicting people if the king didn't do it himself. You know, I think the king wanted to separate himself from that. And then that person would have to be like, who is this guy to be passing down judgment. The you had to like live isolated, you know, you can be drunk at the tavern every you. Exactly. You need to be an honorable person to be even considered to be in that realm of like its power or influence. It's like our the structure of our lives here. We're trying to trying to make we're trying to deter crime and bullshit our own internal bullshit because we got so much external bullshit to deal with. We got to make sure our internal bullshit is like, mitigated to eliminate as much risk or negativity or whatever the fuck's going on as possible. Okay, people stealing from each other, we gotta be able to sleep at night in our society. That's a thing. Oh, yeah? In your own skin. You sleep at night too? Yes. So that's why I think there is just, like, a wrong behavior. And if you like, behave poorly, like your anxiety goes up, get worried about other people behaving poorly. You have trouble sleeping at night because you're don't feel good about what you've done aside into like having honor you know. Yeah. Yeah. Honor. Have you know that what we're talking about the nuanced metaphysics of right and wrong, truth and grace, righteousness. Yeah I really try to be righteous. Transcend some deep shit. Yeah I guess so we're talking about that if we're all going to be incurring debt, but it all gets paid anyway. It's like, why not? Why not just live with the debt? Or like, why not just be live in a modality where you sing a whole bunch of spiritual debt? It's like guys, well, it does all get wiped away in the end, ultimately. Or like Jesus already got that. The bills already paid. If you subscribe to that which I do, but you should subscribe to the I subscribed to that. I think it just makes sense even without reading the Bible. Like I just like in my life experience and the way I'm interpreting things. Super mega multivitamins. I hope you get there. When you get those, you kind of just feel like, oh, okay, I kind of get what's going on here. I kind of see what's going on a little bit. Yeah, just a little bit. Enough to make you change your perspective of what the fucking think's going on here. So I think we do get that shit paid, but I think it's just you don't want to be. At the end of the day, it's all going to be taken care of as far as your debts and like your sins, but you need to not answer for them. But you are like, that is your responsibility. It's like what you're doing here, like your input, what we're doing day to day. But I guess we do have to look at it, at least I think at the very least with it, like objectively look at what's going on there and what we did and how we acted. And it's like, oh gosh, hopefully you learn from that. But then also I think it's just like, you know, in, in your day to day, it's just a better day to day to try and be the the character who lives with the least amount of debt. That's just like you're going to you're going to say you're going to fuck up your mess up, but the overall day to day modality and like the internal emotions and like the interactions that you have throughout the course of your life, it's just it's a more pleasurable experience, I guess, if you're in the other way around, if you're not in the crazy, crazy debt, so fucking drinking and gambling and doing all kinds of crazy shit on a habitual basis, it's like that lifestyle. It's a different lifestyle than someone who's waking up at five, six in the morning doing their fucking shit, take care of their body, taking care of their family, taking care of their responsibilities. And it's two completely different lifestyles. So ultimately it's the same thing at the end of the day. But until we get to the end of the day, how do you want experience the day? Like today? Because yeah, there's a billion versions of today going on. It's like, I love mine, I love it, I love my version today. all that shit, it's a lot harder to to to love your in your today if you're in that field of negativity or that vibration of just negative choice, that's a negative choice. It's a negative choice. It feels different. Yeah. Ultimately we're all sinners and we're all but some people give up on trying to feel good. Yeah, right. What the fuck the fuck, man? It's a hard thing to be in. It's like nihilistic nihilism kind of is. Right? Yeah. The idea that, like, oh, this is all shit. Yeah, it's all shit. Or even just that there's not, like, your capacity to change your life. Like, let's say, like you're just not happy where you are. You capacity to change that to where you are happy where you are. It's like we just don't have that much control to change things like that. I think that's like the limiting factor sometimes. Why people just, like, accept their own poor behavior. Like what's not gonna make a difference anyways. And I'm already like, not happy. You know, I won't. I'm like, because people can't really change their situation very much. Or I think that because people perceive themselves to not be able to change the situation. Yes. Then that just like allows them to behave poorly because they're unhappy. It doesn't matter anyway. Yeah. They're like because it's hard to make an unhappy person act like a happy person. They're like, I'd love to do that. But like, I, I'm like, I can't, you know? But then it's like, you gotta you gotta do some work. Like, you love the way your life feels. They took like, a lot of work to get it there. Now I'm like, concentrate on trying to fix a lot of stuff so that you could just be a happy person. I think, like, like life does require that kind of maintenance. My birthday is on November 6th. Alexa, get this party started early. What are you talking birthday? Joe, what the fuck is going on? The robots are hacking the pod, y'all. Y'all saw it here first. We just got pod hacked. They're trying to get us to stop talking about. Amazon is trying to lower our vibration so we could stop elevating everyone else's vibration Twitch. I say fuck you. Bezos shoes also like pay up. She said it's not my birthday. Yeah, she's birthday's. When? November 6th. Yeah, that's fucking weird. It's weird. It's fucking strange. It's still listening. It's still listening. Okay. Knows that. You know it is what never stops. I wonder why we said to trigger it. Oh, no. We're just popping the vibrational fields because we're talking with some shit. Some shit here, guys. Yeah, but you do have the power to change the situation. You do. You really do. You do. You can do. You can change anything. I think Jim Rohn says it just like it's it's really nice. It's a nice and comforting thought that you can change your entire life just like that. Or you could change something. You change one thing, change one thing tomorrow with something you actually change, like tonight or whatever. A habit you can start instilling or stop instilling or stop propagating forward. Yeah. So you change one thing. You can change everything. Change it all, dude. Change yourself. Sometimes you feel that energy, like there's that moment where you're just like, I'm doing something different. Do right now, do different things. Yeah, sometimes like that can carry over to a whole day. Yeah. This different, that different. I'm doing this different. I just get like that sometimes where I'm like, just hop out of it. I'm like, I'm going to the gym now, not playing myself to some different goal right now, you know, trying to figure out the timing and the traffic in the right. Now let's go. Let's go workout. Come back. You're like, I'm making a healthy breakfast. No cap, no fucking cinnamon rolls and donuts today. Your fucking eggs and spinach. And then it's like I'm taking all my vitamins. Let's go. It's just so funny because you can habitually be late to the gym. Miss breakfast. It's the vitamins. Late to work. Oh my God, bro, you make me sick talking about my own shitty version of myself. But throw up over here. But there's other times where it's just like, oh, I can really talk about what we're talking about. If we talk about health and nutrition and just being fat. Cause I remember, like, there's a thought that goes on, it's like, no matter what I do, I'm not losing weight anyways, so I'm just going to eat this food that's bad for me. I'm just going to enjoy translating food, you know what I'm saying? Yes. And I feel like with your life, it's like being angry. Feels good. That's one of the problems with being angry. It's like almost addictive. Yes, because there's positive and negative emotion at the same time. And if mostly you're experiencing negative emotion, at least with anger, you entangle some positive emotion. Or at least I think. I think another aspect, in addition to positive and negative emotion is also like familiar and unfamiliar territory. Like if like you, if you're used to being in that emotional field and an emotional vibration, you'll probably default back to it just because you know it and it's comfortable. Yeah. And it's familiar and has momentum. Yeah, exactly. It's like Newton's laws of physics. Things of motion stay in motion. Like that. That's where you're going to go or what you just say like neuron pathways firing. Yes. Yeah. Thick roots that those nutrients travel up and down. Yeah. It's not necessarily that you like being angry but you're just so familiar with it. It might just be the auto response. Yeah. Yeah. You're known territory. So same thing with food right. It's like you know, eating also it's like a stress reliever to eat food. So it's it's a drug. Yeah. Oh I love eating some ice cream. That's. Yeah. Fuck me up dog. I get in there. Nice. Dude. I crushed a brownie pint. It was like brownie supreme, you know, Ben and Jerry. Cloud nine nutso. Yeah. It's like H-e-b came out with their own, like, oh, okay. H-e-b select palette. I don't know what the fuck it is. Crazy cream dude. It was insane. I mean, that and I'm just like, this is diff. That is it has a drug like aspect to it for sure. Yeah. And I'm releasing endorphins. I mean, that ice cream food in general. Big ass meal, fried chicken, sweet potatoes, mac and cheese, some food. I sit down and have. That sounds good. Let's get some good cane sauce. You know, Texas toast. Yeah, brother. Like just a plate of that, you know, just like, smash that food that would like that. Or for dinner, you could go out of your way, be a little more uncomfortable, have food taste a little bit less good, and eat less of it. Grilled chicken, rice and broccoli, which I had last night and like you, season it up, dude. But it ain't fucking. It ain't fried chicken, all right? It ain't, it ain't it, ain't it ain't. It seems like it ain't. It could be. Dude, I'm telling you, there was no drop off from let's Go last night. Let's go. Didn't enjoy a single bit less, right. Not at all. I think partially because it aligns with the your goals, like your upward trajectory. Enjoyed it more because of this, you know. Yes. Yes. Yeah. No no. They're the food that are the exact opposite trajectory of where you really want to go and what you want, what fuel you want to put into your machine. it feels the only way I can enjoy it is if I put myself in a situation where I've, like, fasted or, fucking just worked out super hard cardio, didn't eat it, had a very, very minimal to no breakfast. Then if like less than 500 calories all day and I saved all my calories for one meal, it's like in that scenario, it takes a lot of fucking architecting my life to get to that scenario where in which I can enjoy that negative trajectory food at all. Because if I, I guess you could enjoy it and it's not give a fuck about what's going on forward if you're just here now, but like there's something going on forward I got a fucking that guys that me that me over there. He's gotta deal with this shit eventually. So it's like the only way you can really get yourself there. At least within my, my reality. I have to set up the scenario. Set up the fucking play score. Touchdown. Feel good about it. Yes. I mean, eat this fucking nachos. All these not chosen this beer. I'm in Vegas, you know. Fuck. I worked hard all month for this shit. You got to still work out this morning. Exactly. Yeah. You got to really like, negotiate that with yourself to actually enjoy it. Yes. It's not going to be just like, yeah. That this can't do it. But I have different levels of enjoyment, so I just, I remember not having this figured out or like, what we're talking about oblivious to this, bro. It's just like, all I knew was I hated feeling fat, you know, for overweight all the time. Uncomfortable. You get into some social situations that don't go the way you wanted to and like, you know, it's associated to food, but you don't like I also, I didn't really have the agency to, like, make a lot of my own food then. But I remember this one distinct moment where, you know, going into the cabinet late at night to get the fucking oatmeal cream pie box. Oh, yeah, maybe two oatmeal cream pies out, put them in a hoodie. Put him in a hoodie, dog. Hallelujah. 12 slash 13. Middle school right there. Seventh and eighth grade. Because you know what I'm going to do? Yeah, I'm going to sit down and play Call of Duty with you guys. Oh fucking right brother. You know I'm online with doing maps. So I'm going to go get a couple oatmeal cream pie cookies. Nice little intermission, you know, and I just fucking, like, reach in there and I fucking I'm like, what am I doing? What are you doing? Do you want to change the object of observer? Yeah. Got some like got some voice was like just like. Yeah. That was just like, what are you doing? That was like the the, the phrase that came into my mind, but it was just like, what? What I felt was like all of the negative association I had to like being not fit, like not excelling in sports the way I wanted to and like not living the life you want to live. Exactly. Yeah. And I was just like, going to go commit the behavior that was allegedly, I'm not going to live that life. Fuck it. Keeping me there, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I just like, stopped and then, like, didn't get the oatmeal cookie, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, a defining moment for me, for sure. I was like, I don't want to do that. You know? That's crazy. But all the way up until that point, I don't think I ever was like, no, I'm not going to do that again. On second thought, yeah, maybe sometimes trying to make a little healthier food let me make like a fucking wrap instead of a sandwich. Let me order the grilled chicken instead of the, you know, fried chicken, you know, breaded chicken. Something. Trying a little here, dabble in there. But that was like a one where I was just get the fat free ranch. There you go. Sure. But not. And then slowly from there, like. But I think that's the I think the reason that that moment stands out so hard is because there's times where you can just snap your original behavior line where you're just like that consciousness comes in where you're just like, fuck the pathway. Not doing it that way today. Like, I become upset enough to do something about it, or I'm like, I'm animated right now, like I have I have free will right now. I'm using it. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like like the the Yu-Gi-Oh! The the inner higher self. Yeah. It's like manual override sometimes or at least give you the option to. Yeah. It's like do an override. Yeah. Yeah. But then the problem not the problem. But the other thing is like why is the standard mode of behavior, the shitty behavior. You know what I'm saying? I was thinking about that the other day to you got to really work your way out of that, you know? Yeah. Cuz I was thinking about it in terms of it's like whenever we sin and fuck up, I think we are conceptualizing it through the lens of, like we are made in God's image. We're like, holy. And then we fuck up and we sin. But I think it's the other way around. I think we are fucking sin. Or like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we are like the was. What's the story that Jordan Peterson talks about the Mesopotamians with Marduk and HTML and stuff. And it's like we are the like, we're like, we're the descendants of Cain. Like we're like the evil or like, you know, I'm saying not evil, but we come from that energy that we come from that. I think in the Mesopotamian story, HTML is like the whatever or whoever personifies and whatever character they use to describe the chaos itself. It's like we we are stemmed from that, like that. That's who we're descendants of chaos itself. So it's like we're not pure light and love and energy like on our own. I think that's what God is. And like God allows us to be that experienced that as well, because he loves us so much. But the truth of the matter is like we are actually sin and like chaos itself, and like the fact that we're not sinning is like the good thing, right? Yeah. I'm saying like, that's that. That's what's worth celebrating. Yeah. Don't be so like, you need to be careful not to fall into the the slippery slope of blessings lesson. It's not giving a fuck and then sinning or like eating shitty food and not giving a fuck about the future. It's like, that's like a just a negative spiral downwards. But I think it's maybe a construct as well. Or that that like the construct maybe having been used by like the adversary to put it in your head or to make you maybe more, more susceptible or more prone to negative emotion for like you're like the true nature of you, you know, since like to to screw up your perception of yourself. So you like give yourself more shame and more guilt that you actually necessarily need. You know, I'm saying to make it harder to have access to your agency. Yeah, yeah. It's tough. I don't want to say we're evil by nature. Yeah, right. Yeah. I don't want to. I don't want to accept that as a presupposition per se. But, I mean, it's hard to argue against it. We suck. Yeah, we're pretty chaotic. Yeah. Pretty chaotic creatures. And yeah, I think that's biblical as well. Like with the coming from Descendants of Cain, the first true born human of humans killed his brother. So we we have that in us. Like that's just there, bro. Like that's just fucking there. That's all that's there. I think that we are all like the the combination. We are the like made in the image of God and we are chaos itself at the same time. Yeah. We're also the Cain that wept when he killed his brother. I think I'm pretty sure he cried right. Oh yeah. Like what have I done. Yeah. Exactly. If I don't type shit. Yeah. So you're, you're not just a person that does terrible things, but you're a person that would feel terrible about doing terrible things. So maybe you shouldn't do them even though you're capable of doing them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's tough. We do have we also have the ability to make good sacrifice, you know. Yeah, we can do very. Yeah, we can change. We just got it. You know, you got to beat the system. That's what we're doing here. That's what we're doing over a bar. That's like what I think life's about somewhere. Or a bar. I mean, I guess you can do other stuff. I just don't think anybody enjoys malevolent behavior. I don't think people are, like, fucking up there. I don't think anybody likes living the life that they don't want to live. And I think the life that anybody wants to live is someone that's like a masochist or someone that likes to hurt people. So. So I feel I don't know my terminology, but I don't think anybody really wants that. Was Hitler like hyped up. Was he hyped? Thought. And that's why he was he gassed? Was he gas? The better question is what Hitler do it again. Oh. Yes. You think so? I don't know like that is pretty fucked up. Let's. If he came back, do you think he would think he did anything wrong? Fuck. Probably right. I'd like to say what context? He died and he went up to heaven to talk to the judge. To see the judge. And, And then he probably felt pretty fucking terrible afterwards. Once you're, like, removed of your earthly perception. Yes. And all your programing. All your. Yeah. All your thoughts. Just your raw spirit right there looking at your, your credits roll. Yeah. And it's like, you know, once you really understand how precious I think in that moment, you, you know, all things, you know how precious life is, you know how terrible evil is. And you look at how many people you killed and yeah, I'm sure Hope is mortified. So that was it. That was the context I was trying to add to it because it's like, yeah, in this context of if he came back and we had to talk to him, like, did he go and see his film? Did he get the objective run through of what happened? Or are we just saying that he's like, came back, I want to say, in full force, as he was when he was heading out to make it a fair argument, like, let's say, because he committed suicide, allegedly. Right. I believe that is the story. Yes. Him and his lady friend, they took a cyanide pill, called it a day. Pussy. Sorry. 21 I think that, if Hitler was here, I'd slap him when he slept. When he took side. So insisted that that's hard to do. But it was awesome. he took the cyanide before he starts feeling the cyanide while the pills traveling down his throat. Okay. In that moment when he knows he's gonna die. T-minus. It's over. Right. Then if an angel came down, was like Hitler. Would you like a German angel? Would you, like, have a second chance at life? Hitler? I lost my German. I could do it again. Hitler. But, Yeah. Well, do you want to go back to being a boy? We'll just take you back to being a boy. Just like running back. You're the only person, all of humankind you've ever been like, hey, do you want to just, like, run this back real quick? Because this got pretty out of hand. I, I think he would I think he would say yes. And I don't think it would go the same way. I think he'd be an artist. I see what you're saying. I say you're saying because he was like a painter. I want aspiring artists to be a painter. that's me though, because. Because I think, you know, I think you fucking know, deep down. And you can take all the drugs and drink all the alcohol. Surround yourselves with as many feedback loop chambers as you want. Yes. Men that agree with you as you can do everything you can to like, lie and hide from yourself. But you fucking know deep down whether or not you like what you're doing or you don't like what you're doing, the character that you're playing. Yeah, I think I guess in the scenario they're talking about like, because I guess if you take the same scenario, you take the angel. The timing is everything. Because if it's out of the cyanide pill, then it's like, that's when that's when karma, like, that's what we get karma from. Cause like, your shit's fucked. Your whole situation is fucked. It's like. That's like a consequence of things that happened before your situation. So, like, put you here. You had to get here. You didn't like, happen here like you. You had to, like, find this place of fuck up and like, navigate here. So that is like, the only proof in the pudding. But if you were to ask him the same question, the same angel comes down, maybe before he starts the first true internment camp or the concentration camps, like before, it really starts fucking ramping up. And then, like, there's another fork in the road. Mr. Hitler, what would you like to do? We could stop right now. Y'all. I guess that's that's okay. Or we can go back. We can always go back. He'd be like, fuck no, I'm not. So. But I think he'd be. He'd be like, no, I know what I'm doing here. Yeah, I know what the fuck I'm trying to do. I have my desired outcome. And then in the in the second scenario, it's like your desired outcome and your intentions got you here into a situation where you yourself have admitted you are fucked. You are in a bad spot. Like this is not ideal. Quite the opposite actually. Yeah, like you got here for sure. This is how the story goes. This is karma, you know, I'm saying. Or like, well, we identify and label karma. It's like when life just kicks your fucking ass because you're exhibiting whatever the fuck is doing. You know what I'm saying? So maybe it's part of it because I deep down, everybody knows. But maybe you don't know until God has to show you. Because we think we know sometimes. You know what I'm saying? Maybe in the in that two scenarios that we just painted, one of them, he's like, he thinks that he knows what fuck's going on and he knows the right path forward. And the other one, obviously not. You were wrong. Like you chose the wrong path. It's like in that scenario, it's a lot more easy to have humility when it's like, okay, yeah, I'm fucking. I lost my bet. But if you have all your chips on the table still in your role and you're on a heater, I'm on a heater, not fuck. Are you talking about those dice? Okay, I'm on a heater. What are you talking about? Let her ride on the field, baby. Because we think we're right. Because we think we know what the fuck's going on. Yeah, so I think we do know, but I think we can. We can access what the fuck is going on deep down, because everybody knows what's going on deep down. Yeah, but we don't allow us or allow ourselves to go deep down enough. If we're just like on the here and now surface level of what I want in this moment. But what I think I want in this moment. So fuck Hitler. Fuck in the fog. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you about we don't we think we know. I think we know, I think we know. Do I? We kind of have to think we know because the thing that we don't know is like anxiety inducing. Yeah. And that's true too. You should be careful that you use discernment. You start believing God don't river uncertainty. Oh God. Yeah. But the things that God does, I'm uncertain about sometimes I can't interpret everything to the fullest extent, what I'm saying, but in that misunderstanding, I still understand that's God. So I'm good. Oh God. All across the board. That's how you. That's how you find out. I'll tell you. Beat the game. Yes. So beat the game. Yes. You can't control anything. You can't control it. In the final analysis, you can't control anything. You do control everything. But nothing at the same time. Oh my God. Yes, that's. That's the game that God made for us. Is that. That's that's what we drew. He that's what this is for infinity with limitations. And thank goodness for that. Without limitations we would just be infinity, which is nothing, which is everything. But it's no thing you said. It's everything. You know, that might be what the afterlife is like, which isn't, I think why the afterlife appreciate. That's why angels want to help us. It's because we're we're in tangibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. And in potential. It's so probably not crazy to them because they understand it. But it's so like valuable. Yeah. It just important right. Something you just want to support them precious keep them in it and fucking I could feel that like after my surgery and after my mom passed, I was real, you know, life's kind of a weird thing, you know, like, so much stress, you got to work all the time, and then fucking people die. You. You can be depressed. You can be miserable. It's probably way easier to just, like, be that. Then you can just be worse after life. Why? More simple? Feel good? not go to work, you know? But then I could. I could feel like the the angels or like, you know, when the side in the Bible in there, like the the rocks will cry out for me. I think Jesus says that, like, I felt the rocks or like that, that even just the inanimate things around me being like, no, you don't want that. The scene. Yeah, yeah. It's been like, life is precious. Life itself. You get to go be alive. Like there's like a thing about being on this side of the curtain that is, like, special and like, I think like the limitation of tangibility is like one of the more most beautiful things in the world. Not even the universe of the world. What's bigger than that? Yeah, it's bigger than that and all of existence. And is this the limitations are what you need? Yeah, we're on the stage. We're in the play. The other people are kind of in the stands watching it all play out there in the game. Right? So you don't, it's it's precious. I don't think I want that, but I think so. Yeah. It's precious. It's important. The fuck Hitler. Fuck you doing it? Slap them Jersey right now. I'd slap them. I'd start the shit out of them. Had one more Hitler question. Check me out. Okay, we got about. Get off soon, Okay. Yeah, yeah. Right button. But why do you work today? No. Oh, shit. We're fine bro. Chilling. Oh, my gosh, I just got so happy. Drop endorphins. I really thought you were working today. And I was like, oh, my God, I can't go here. No one. No. Hey, don't be such a jackass. Because earlier I was like, man, if I don't realize that, I ain't going to later today to say, let's do this part a little later. And then ten minutes later, I was like, oh, just goes in a two. Today I'm just an asshole. I've not been sitting on that bench. We're chilling. We can get a little extra time, like live. Yeah. We chilling. Big question for you, Hitler. All right, check me out. Yes. So after a long lived, many champions run legacy, legendary stats and numbers. Maximum impact. Dreams achieved. Conquered lineage passed on. Parents made proud. Okay. Great stories for the both of us. We make it to an afterlife. Okay? Praise God. Hopefully right here for it. You know, not saying we're perfect, but we've accepted Jesus. You know, we get to that point where we're going to go talk to the judge. We got to go individually, I think I don't think we can take 38 judge. You know, I gotta I gotta talk to the creator. We gotta mano a mano. We already have an intimate relationship right now, but it's going to be like we speak to each other about it all, you know? get to have that moment. It's like the boss, you know, things like you never see the boss. You only talk to like, the middleman. It's like you don't get to talk to the boss. Every once in a while, you'll see the boss eventually. Oh, you want to sit down? You go sit down with the boss crossed desk. Yeah, exactly. And, Let's say we both proceed to, like, the pool party that it's having. They're going and kid and then love it. We get in there were like yeah. Reunited through union. You want to see Hitler at that pool party? I think I think the version of me that's at the pool party has no problem with it. Version of me right here, right now. So put like, If I saw him there right now with my current understanding, I'd be like, what the fuck, bro? Let anybody in this bitch, bro, anybody in this video, where's the standard spiritually dumb basketball basketball fucking shit. But and I'm sharing that in there and that true. Or in that scenario, if we're to play out fully, I'd be completely fine with it. I'd be like, oh, everyone needs to enjoy this. Everyone needs to be here. I don't think there's a hell. I don't think so. He's I think it's a lie. But like, the problem is it's in the Bible. I think it's a place on earth. I think to think that hell is somewhere that you like is waiting for you. And I think that might be a misconception. I think, I guess maybe. Okay, rephrase that. I think to think that hell is a place that's waiting for you outside of your life, your day to day life. I think that's a misconception. I think that, hell, it's waiting for you, but it'll it's always there. It's always there. It's always waiting for you. But you have to go there. You have to get there. You have to move there or be moved there. If you're not moving yourself any direction, if you have no directional sail set, no map course, then you're just going to be to the whim of the fucking waves and the nature of our chaotic selves, which is which we talked about. The waves are going to hell. Yeah, if I just be where hell and death and just negativity and just negative circumstance. All the bad things. Doing the right thing don't cost that much. It's not as hard as you think. It's not. It's not as big as you think. You can pick up a piece of trash, hold the door for somebody. So you like someone's shirt. I can smile, thanks. I don't know if I got it right now, but it's so simple. It isn't a shirt. You just. It could be that quick. Maybe that easy. Okay, well, two things. Do we want to see Hitler in heaven and in this hell real? Okay, because if Hitler gets in heaven, how is anybody going to hell? Right? But. Well, like the concept of, like, selling your soul, that's like giving away your golden ticket for something on this earth. but that might just be like mythology. That's just like a story we tell ourselves about our conscious, our wrath. I mean, I'm not. I don't ever want to find out if it's a possibility or not. Truly. But I'm saying, like, maybe that's not a good example to define. Like if there's really a hell. Because here's my my premise is that when you get to the afterlife and you meet God, that like man, have you pause. Have you ever, like, just encountered the Holy Spirit here on earth, like felt it? Yeah. Yeah. Because like, the Holy Spirit is like by my device. And I think by the church's definition, it's that feeling where you feel God, where you feel like the Holy Spirit is like in the room, or it's entered me and you feel like it's like bliss and peace and acceptance and true understanding, understanding that the highest frequency you could touch. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it moves you. It comes in and it moves you and moves through you and it changes you a little bit. It's like crying, right? You start crying, right? Okay. Just sitting in your car. Yeah. No, I'm crying. You know what I'm saying? With tears flowing, you see, like somebody go give a homeless person a sandwich and they see the homeless person give them a hug. And it's just like, fuck, man, fuck man. Just it's man, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Some shit, man. Yeah. So like that, that feeling, I think like when you're talking to God, I don't know how you don't. It would just be all that in my opinion, you know? Yes. Overwhelmingly so. Yeah. And I think you would just be like, sorry for all the shit that you really like. Truly sorry. Like, I'm sorry, dude. Like, I don't know, man. I was like, caught up in my shit. Like I was thinking this, this and this, but like, I was wrong. Like, I don't think it would be hard feeling that thing to just, like, admit you were wrong, you know? Yes. Especially with someone hundred percent. It's, like, obvious to you. Like you're talking to God. You're like, oh yeah, you were watching, Oh, fuck. You saw everything. Yeah. You know who you line to at that point? You know, you saw like, not only just saw everything, but like everything you're thinking. Everything you could have and didn't do everything you imagine into doing all the, everything. So y'all you can't hide from that. No bro. So I don't see how any person under those, those expressed constraints wouldn't like earnestly repent of their sin. You know, be like genuinely sorry really like appreciate Jesus Christ for dying on the cross. Think about you would just think about life through such a new lens at that point, just to know that God exists. And then at that point, like, I don't think that anybody that like, earnestly repented of their sins like that is like going to I mean, I guess maybe people I don't know what's in the Bible 100%. I don't know. I think there's something in the Bible. It's like, I think we're all still trying to figure it out. Yeah, we're all talking about, well, transcriptions in Hebrew and original languages and all that shit. Yeah, it's still a lot of debate. Even people that know the Bible. Yes, exactly. That's what should I say. They learn every day new stuff they didn't know about the Bible. Yeah. Different connections, different meanings of different words, different phrases of whatever. How things could have been put right, how much interpretations those I think that, like, I mean, part of the prerequisite are you're supposed to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior while you're on earth to gain access in heaven and to not do that would be like, you just don't get in, I guess. Or you definitely have to wait. Until there's a rapture. I think that's in in the Bible and then and within the rapture, after the rapture, there'll be seven years of the people left on earth that didn't accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. And within those seven years, they could accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and live like a Christian until after those seven years are over. Then like, Jesus will come back to like fight the devil and like ultimately defeat sin forever on a mono motherfucker. Me, me in the ring. God, it's going down, it's going down. You're going down in that fight. Do you think Jesus is like, whoops his ass? Like, no problem. Or is it like a good fight? You know. I think Jesus would like to put on a show a little bit. That's the thing. Right? But then. Okay, if you're gonna put on a show a little bit, do you just, like, fucking tomahawk crazy jam on this song, bitch, or do you like, keep it a little close to keep us? You know, that's like a good, like a good game, a good fight. A little back and forth. Like maybe Jesus got him in a headlock and he's like, Oh, yeah. Maybe Jesus gets himself in a headlock and looks at us. He's like, this guy, he was this, you know, I was in. Yeah, he's like the Harlem Globetrotters. Isn't that fun to watch? They just, like, beat the crap out of the the opposing team like the Washington Generals plays them. Yeah, I figured there's a there's a name for. I think it's the generals. There we go. I pulled that out of my hero. Let's go at the Yahoo! But, yeah. Playing pickup basketball. One of my realizations this week is even as a winner, if I'm going to win, I'd rather be a close game than win. 12 three, 12 three is, like, not fun for anybody. you know what I'm saying at that point was like, practice. I'd almost rather lose 11 to 12. Then when 12 to 3, that was the realization that I had I think I'd rather lose 1112 than win 12 three, because at least I cared. Yeah, it was more it was a better game. I was more involved. I cared more and meant more. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. So with that being said, I don't know if that translates to the Jesus devil fight, but. if I'm being like, if I really have to give you an answer, I think it's an obliteration. Yeah, I think it might just be a simple second. Done. Yeah. Done. Yeah. It just. Yeah. Evaporate or some whatever, you know, that kind of shit. Like, maybe the devil just gets on his knees and starts crying. He's just praying I was wrong, I was wrong. I'm sorry. There's recovery for my sins. Yeah, right. Well, I was going to say, I think. Oh, yeah, we're we're we were talking about, God potentially being real and then or having that realization or like, if you do get to that point, I think that just reminded me of a I'm pretty sure it was a quote from Kendrick Lamar, but he had said, I'd rather I'd rather live my life thinking there's a god, and then find out that there's not one than the opposite. You know, I'm saying, sure, I don't ever say have a gun and not need it all day, every day, 100%. Yeah. Just even just as an atheist, the math on that checks out, you know. Real never. Absolutely. It's better for your. Your thought patterns to believe that there's a higher a higher power. Like if you believe that there's something outside of you that is, has created, you made this earth like your, your average levels were like anxiety and depression go lower because it's like too overwhelming to just be in this chaotic state of like complete randomness, like nihilism will make you sick if you just believe it's all, you know, random chaos flying around. No one has control, no one has anything. there's no storyline going on. You just got to reach and take and grab what you can while you can, that that's not conducive to, like, being a healthy person. it's like literally just scientifically, depression rates are lower in people that believe that there's a higher power boom. Yeah. So if you just want to have a less likelihood of depression, you should just adhere to that philosophy. Allegedly. But it's so much deeper than that. So much deeper helps remove some of the. Uncertainty unknown. Because I guess and if you do accept it to the fullest, I guess the idea would be that it would you be able to adopt the perspective and the thought and the belief that anything and everything is like working for you, even if you can understand it right now, like it'll come full circle and it'll make sense and it'll be for your benefit and everything that's like the like such a, like foundation that you just, like, live on. I was like, part of the religious idea of foundation, of a relationship with God is being able to chalk it all up, like we talked about earlier. It's like, I'm not I'm not really worried about anything per se. You know? I know that everything that plays out, everything that happens, I'll be able to maneuver, figure it out, land on my feet and keep going. you know, say it's like even if it's a perceived down downward fall or a perceived negative outcome in a situation or an event, or I don't get something I want it to get or a bad thing happens that I wasn't expecting. It's like in all of those scenarios, I was like, I like chalk it up to God. Like, I like that, I like, I like God, deal with that or like. I don't let stress me too too much, have to react to it and like, respond and clean your house in that metaphor. But ultimately it's like doing my best and knowing that everything else is all good. It's like, oh, such nice feeling, such nice, right? Such a nice feeling. It's beautiful. So I can see where that can help. Help alleviate some depression and some anxiety. It's just inherent in not knowing things. Yeah. So fuck, I'm gonna do what? This job I'm gonna do with this. I got I got these bills to pay, I got this, I don't know what's going on. It's like, I also don't know what's going on, but I know that God knows what's going on. Yeah, so that's what I know. Yes. Even if I don't gotta be that way. It's it's a it's a leap of faith. It's ultimately just comes down to a leap of faith. How do you feel? How do you try to conceptualize the unknown, chaotic unpredictability of what the fuck's going on here? I think it's all working for me, and God's going to make it happen. That's it. As long as I do my part. Even if you don't, thank God, thank you. That's, I guess, that grace as a big grace as capital G. Grace, I thank him. Thank God. Yeah. So? So yeah, that's a lot of Bible talk for you. But so their life talk a lot on talk shit there. Hell talk. At the pool party in heaven. The weather can be a lot chillier version of himself. You're like oh yes. Fucking asshole Joe. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh let me buy you beer. So so yeah. All right. Like I think you would. You probably have to own it just like in pants. I got on it. Yeah, we've made that mistake, man. There's probably a lot of Jewish people out there that are like, I do not. That will not be in heaven. He ain't at my pool party in heaven, and I don't even. What do you even say to that? You're. I think we'll all feel divine after talking to God. I think whenever you die, you'll feel a little different about things than you currently do right now, right? Well, I think I got a I was super mega multivitamin, got a little, I think, a little lucky sneak preview. What is what it's going to feel like. It feels great. I promise you don't give a fuck about what's going on here. It feels great. That's crazy. None of this matters. At least when you're there, it's like, oh, this was just like a oh, gosh, it's like a dream. Yeah, dreams are important, but what are you experiencing right now? Like that experience of whatever the fuck is going on over there? It feels great. Nice vibration. Possible, I mean that, yeah, bro. You want to wind down? Well, it'll it'll it'll lifts. Yeah, we can go. Listen. Why pick them up. Put them down. Pick them up, put them down. I love the podcast. So much. This is a little potter. It's our longest party. Early. Yeah, we're about two hours. Almost die. Keep going. No, easy for days. The day long pod, 24 hour pod. Let's go get lunch. The pot athon. What do doing the bathtub? Yes, we could put it on, dude. Yeah, seriously, we just had some, like, espresso on deck. Yeah, the cameras would overheat. I think that might be the only downfall. Oh, we're limited by technology tablets. We'll figure it out. We could. Definitely, because it wouldn't have to be a live podcast. So we would just set up a second camera and then close those ones as the next ones are recording, and there'd be, like, a seamless transition. I guess the angle would change a little bit. damn. We'll figure it out. Davidson. That's all right. Had way. 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