Season 8 Episode 8: Trauma and Its Impact, with Sharon Land

Your body talking to you right now -- are you listening? Our bodies contain the wisdom we’re searching for. We have to stop trying to outsmart them and instead  tune in and allow the conflict and the dis-ease to repair and dissolve.  

Sharon Land is a holistic teacher, healer and trauma specialist who combines clinical modalities that include Somatic, Quantum Metaphysics and Energy Healing.  In this episode she joins Master Certified Life Coach Melissa Wiggins to talk about the trauma we acquire and we inherit, and the effects of unrepaired trauma in our lives. 

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Melissa Wiggins  00:00

Hello lassies Welcome to Coaching and a Cup of Tea with Mummabear. I have the one and only Sharon Land with me today. Welcome to the podcast, we're so excited to have you, 

Sharon Land  00:12

Melissa, I am so excited to be here. And thank you for having me. And I'm really excited to meet your community, you've shared so much good stuff about all of your little mamas out there.

Melissa Wiggins  00:22

I was joking with Sharon, before we press the record button that I don't know that I've ever had anyone more credentials on my phone as than this last day. And I have had some doctors, we've had lots of authors, like they got a lot of credentials. But you are. I mean, you're a remarkable human.

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Melissa Wiggins  00:00

Hello lassies Welcome to Coaching and a Cup of Tea with Mummabear. I have the one and only Sharon Land with me today. Welcome to the podcast, we're so excited to have you,  

Sharon Land  00:12

Melissa, I am so excited to be here. And thank you for having me. And I'm really excited to meet your community, you've shared so much good stuff about all of your little mamas out there.

Melissa Wiggins  00:22

I was joking with Sharon, before we press the record button that I don't know that I've ever had anyone more credentials on my phone as than this last day. And I have had some doctors, we've had lots of authors, like they got a lot of credentials. But you are. I mean, you're a remarkable human. And I am just so grateful that you're going to give my community which is phenomenal. Just some of your knowledge and your wisdom. And this season is all about trauma and the things that are impacting us in a big way. And so I wanted to have you on here. And I have a question I want to ask you. And I want to start us around the podcast around that. But before I do that, I would love it, if you just give us a couple of things about you that you would like to share with my community, mostly mama entrepreneurs who are like you and I like to see these highly achieving beautiful, brilliant women. But they have many different components to their lives.

Sharon Land  01:29

Yes, lots of moving parts, right. So a little bit about me, I have lived a gazillion lifetimes. And in this lifetime alone, I have traversed a lot of different areas of professional endeavors, right. So especially speaking about the micro printers, the solopreneurs, the entrepreneurs, the high performers. And if you were to look at the resume that I have, it's like wait a second, you went from like working in social services and like helping to keep families together or to helping the shelter, the shelter resistant chemically addicted mentally severely, mentally ill homeless population to running a multimillion dollar, you know, business for a Japanese company and all these other things, right. So all that to say that I think that all roads have led me to where I am now to be the most effective and powerful leader, and visionary, and healer that I am. And so for anybody that's out there that's thinking like, oh, well, but if I choose this education, or if I choose this job, that means that I'm committed to this for life, and I'm just gonna tell you know, the power is in being present, right? Being present, and all of those things and being a witness to yourself, and how you're moving through those aspects, gaining as much information about all of those areas of what you like and what you don't like. So then you can store it and create the thing that you're meant to create, we see what we see, because we're meant to see it. Not everybody sees the same thing that we see. So we're placed into these spaces, so that we can see. And then we can get that feeling and follow that feeling of creating what makes the most sense for us.

Melissa Wiggins  03:40

I am going to link everything about you that I have in the show notes. So you guys like in all seriousness, last ease, you have to like check this woman out on social media. Not only is she absolutely gorgeous, oh, you're totally beautiful on the inside. And I just can't wait to get into this topic of trauma. That's what I want to talk. And my question about trauma that I sort of wanted us to sort of dive into is how does it affect the way we see the world? And then how does that affect how we see ourselves? So kind of like in two parts?

Sharon Land  04:23

Yeah, so I will do my best to be synced. So I think that first of all, we're gonna start off already. So trauma is we typically experienced trauma with lack of context. Okay, so the first thing that I think that's really important for us is to know is that we are all these beautiful, open vessels when we're born. We're pure. We're born without prejudice. We're born without division. We're really just this beautifu soul that is really here to experience this world, in his greatest capacity, but what happens along the way, and I have a whole kind of spiritual aspect that goes into the soul and coming into the body and all of the things that go along with it. But for the purposes of this answering this, it's that part of our existence here is not just a myopic existence, right? We have the physical body, we have the spiritual body, right? And we have the mind and the emotions that go along with all of those things, right. So when we go through our development or lifespan development, we're going through it in a spiritual context, as well as we are in like a physiological context, and also a bio scientific need. And we are programmed about ourselves and about our world through the early lifespan development, as well as those markers that help us in our own soul ascension, right. So which is our spiritual growth that we, you know, we can put it in whatever language or context that we want to, I'm not tied to anything, but but from a real simple place, right? Just we can look at it from just a real simple, gentle AI. Right, that is just like, there is a spirit of us that exists. And, and everything that is put into us as we are going through our lives is the spirit of something else and someone else.

Melissa Wiggins  06:42

Okay

Sharon Land  06:44

Right? So when we're children, and we're born, we're born not being able to regulate ourselves. So from a bio scientific standpoint, we, we, we cry, and then we're meant to be held. And part of what happens is the central nervous system, and the state of the individual on a bio scientific level, as well as an energetic level, vibrates, and teaches attunement to us. So when the baby cries, the caregiver picks up the child, the state of the individual who is the caregiver, and no matter like how much they put themselves together, when they go to take care of the baby, right? If they're in an abusive relationship, or if their parent is mentally ill, if there's, they have 25 children that they have to take care of, if they've got a demanding job, all of those things, right, are somehow stored and processed and presented in the attunement of this child. So there's a programming that happens from a nervous system aspect. And so that attunement becomes the child's normal. And that then becomes part of how it informs the child of how that they exist in the world. 

And then in addition to that, how the caregivers respond to those needs, then tells them about their level of importance and value and place in this world, and how they see themselves, and then how they see other people. And that is confirmed more and more and more through those events. So some of our earliest trauma isn't something like, I was just talking to a client about this before, right isn't always like I had a really creepy uncle who did weird things or, like I got into a car accident, or there was sexual assault or abuse or whatever it might be when in our, but it really could just be that we, in our own infinite wisdom of our soul and in our physical body need what we need. And we didn't get what we needed.

 Melissa Wiggins  09:00

Yeah, right. Right. A little bit about that. There is that idea of the kind of parent mismatch too, right? Like, it's not necessarily when I think about this that you're talking about right now, I think about how I have two very, very sensitive children. And I really had to as a parent layer new ways, of disciplining, of emotionally supporting what I sole of yelling and doing what you're told, didn't work there. And so sometimes this parenting mich mismatch where you have an emotionally unavailable parent, or a maybe an emotionally immature parent who perhaps doesn't see the sensitivities of the child doesn't see the emotional wounds of the child and there's just a mismatch there.

Sharon Land  09:56

Yeah, yes. 100% And so we're just learning more and more and more about how it is that as adults, we develop these, these parts in our personalities. Let's just put it that way, right that characteristics and traits in our personalities that are showing up real strong. Yeah. And they're creating barriers to us really being able to have ease in the world, or we can call it PTSD. We can call it complex, complex PTSD, right. But what happens is, is that the initial infraction or conflict that happens, if it's not repaired in some way, then it does cause then a traumatic response in the body. Right, and a traumatic response in the individual.

So another way of saying it is like trauma is like, little tiny seeds that are planted, right? Not every seed that's planted grows. Yeah. And we also don't know where it's going to grow, where it's going to show up how it's going to show up. So trauma is a very, it's a very complex thing to study a concept. And for me, so like, my own personal experience, is my first experience of trauma in this body was in the womb. And this really happens, right, so. And it wasn't because my mother wanted to hurt me. Or traumatize me it was because she was, she was leaning into what the latest information was, as to whatever her current situation was. And she was trying to have her needs met, and because she couldn't understand and have discernment, about her own needs, and what she needed, because of her own programming, right, that she believes she put all of her faith into somebody like a doctor, who, you know, basically told her, she one of the things that I experienced was that she, she was told by her doctor, that she had to lose 40 pounds while she was pregnant with me. Right. So she went through that whole emotional experience of the shame.

And then of course, like having to go to the doctor's and being weighed, and feeling like failure if she didn't lose weight, and then going to extremes to lose the way. And then which created the stress in the body, which also she was in a very tumultuous relationship with my father at the time. And also had my sister who was only a few months old when she became pregnant with me. And my sister was a very colicky baby, and would scream all day, and only and my mother was living in another country, where she didn't understand all the language and like, it goes on and on and on, and on and on. Right. So it wasn't that my mother's a bad person. And she wanted that to happen to me, yet, at the same time, a growing child and a soul inside of that kind of toxic and very traumatic environment. learned very early on, you're on your own kid. Yeah. So

Melissa Wiggins  13:01

it's so interesting that you share this because my sister had certain health things. And I remember my mom finding out that, you know, she was going to need this surgery, and my mom was pregnant with my brother. And my mom was so angry, because they had said she wouldn't need this surgery, and it wasn't a thing. And my mom knew that, whether she wanted to know it, you know, half the strengths go to the child or not that it just simply does. And of course, I have this experience myself because my son was diagnosed with stage four cancer. And 10 days later, I gave twins and I knew and then the trauma they had of not having me around. And no you know, as nine year olds, you get to see like, what those needs are and what happened and how it's like developing but at five years old, one of those children was diagnosed with severe anxiety disorder, right, like five and it was it was so much stress, so much separation, so much going on. I just want to say to the listener, like a lot of these things that happen in the trauma, there is really nothing we can do to control the situation right? 

This is the part of it that is really hard for people like you and I showered right like we are solution orientated, healing orientated. But a lot of it is, you know, I look at my, my son with cancer, there's, you know, he spent three and a half years of his life, you know, sort of like petting to a bait you know, having, you know, a T tubes put inside them to feed them and not wanting to and screaming and so so much of his life was out of his control, and then the impact of that, but I couldn't change it. I couldn't do anything about it. And that just sort of leads me to the other part of this equation, which is if you are listening and you have experienced trauma, all veiny cane, you know, the the little T the big T, whatever we want to call it today, right? Like traumas trauma, whatever it is that you've experienced. To know. The good news is there are people like Sharon and the world who are here doing the work to help people heal from it.

Sharon Land  15:25

Right? Right. Wow. Not bypass it. Not, you know, try and push it away because it's inconvenient. Or because we shouldn't be experiencing that because our life is so great, we have a big house, we have a great job, we've got three healthy children, right? I shouldn't be feeling this way. Now, we get to go and heal and create repair where there wasn't. And there's also the other aspect which of trauma, which is important to understand, which is the ancestral piece, right? So what science has shown us now is the fact that there is actual evidence of trauma experienced by our ancestors in our physical DNA. So sometimes some of the experiences that you're having emotionally, or even like lack of free will, or I don't really understand why I'm feeling this way. It's not going to make sense. Because it wasn't something that either a you could remember that you've experienced, or be that you actually did. And so everything is energy, everything is energy. And I know probably most of your listeners have heard this right. And words, we probably have a bumper sticker that says it, but really, it's true. Everything is energy. And if we look at trauma from a perspective of like, if everything is energy, we are all just cells that are all clustered together, right, that we're all created and passed down from generation to generation. So those cells hold the memory of those vibrational and energetic experiences that didn't have repair. So the antidote to trauma is repair.

Melissa Wiggins  17:05

So when you say ancestral, is that like my parents? Do I have the trauma from my dad's life from my mom's life?

Sharon Land  17:13

Right? So that's a really great question. So the narrative around that is like, my father was really an angry man. So that means I'm going to be an angry man, right? Or my mother was neurotic. So I'm going to be neurotic, or my, you know, so and so was this an alcoholic, so I'm going to be an alcoholic. And that's not true. What we know is that it could be that your father was struggling with something, because there were unrepaired and unhealed things from previous experiences. And so we can look at things from even a cultural context as well. Right. So different cultures experienced different traumatic events during their, you know, history. Right. So the Great Depression, people who are from, you know, Eastern European descent, right, so things like concentration camps, and people who are from the, you know, from South Africa, or, you know, from certain areas of other parts of the world, dirt, their ancestors experiences are more of oppression. And so that is literally,

Melissa Wiggins  18:20

it was harder, explain that what you're saying right now, it makes me think about exactly what you said a minute ago, which is, for the person who is listening to be like, I have a great life, I had a good childhood, I had the, you know, the quintessential parents, and yay, I feel this way. It completely explains it. Because there could be something that is ancestral, that it's just a part of who you are.

Sharon Land  18:51

It's a part of your experience. It's a part of your expression in the moment, but it's not who you are, who you are, is that beautiful, open, pure soul that existed before the programming occurred. And the interesting part two, part two of all of this is the healing part, right. So what we also know is that all of this stuff exists in our cells. And what we were taught about biology and science and all of those things, wasn't necessarily true. So we were born to believe that, you know, it's in our DNA, and we can't change it. Yeah. But actually now what we know is that 94% of how we exist, is bacterial microbiomes. And so what that means is that 94% of us is fully transformable, fully transformable and 6%. Isn't unless we have surgery. So for instance, my eyes are brown, although, arguably, we could probably even say that my eyes could change color, right? Based upon what I feed myself, how I nurture myself, what the things that I empty myself have, right? So anyone no matter how heavy it might be, and how diseased we might feel, or be, and so disease is basically dis ease. Disease is a conflict that exists between two things. So mental health, right, we see diseases, right? So that is a conflict, usually between the emotional experiences that our bodies are having, and our minds and our current and present circumstances, right. So we also have physical disease, and you know, it it on and on, and on, and on and on. And all of those things. So that's where that seed analogy comes into play. Right? So the seeds are planted, we don't know where they're going to grow. But it's going to be some sort of lack of coherence or conflict, right? So I think it's, we're short sighted in it. And I know that it's not a popular answer. But we're short sighted in wanting a sound bite, to help us to fix something that has gone on for generations and generations and generations and generations of our family. Right. And so when, and I love Mel Robbins, but I'm just going to use her as an example, right? Because she's working through her own stuff. And so she's found like, Okay, so the, the high five method or the 123, or the, whatever, whatever. And our ratio is like, oh, so I get to do that. And then all of all of those things that are creating conflict in my life are going to go away. And that's not necessarily true, right? Because if we're still surrounding ourselves with the same people eating the same foods, thinking the same thoughts, you know, so on and so forth. Like, we're not changing our bacterial microbiome, we're continuing to reintroduce all of that into ourselves to confirm that existence of conflict inside 

Melissa Wiggins  22:10

My mind is like being blown right now. Like my mind is really like when you see me thinking, I'm rubbing my forehead, you can't see. Well, this is like, wow, why what you're saying? So in my mind, what I'm hearing is like the seeds are Nia, as they're planted, we don't know which ones will grow. So, so tell me that Sharon, does, then the environment, impact that in a big way of what grows? And what doesn't?

Sharon Land  22:44

100%. Absolutely. 100%. Right. And so there are studies that are shown that in we we scratch our heads, because we look at evidence in a certain kind of way, right? So we're just like, well, how is it that some people can be you know, traumatized by inexperienced and another person not right. And that has all to do with our foundation. And so there was a study that was in Gabor up and Tay was talking about it recently, and I knew of this study, you know, for I've known of this study for years and years and years, because I've worked with veterans, and I mean, I hope, like I'm deep in the trauma world, right? So in in the healing and transformational world. And so what we know is that people who have had unrepaired trauma from early childhood, then go into adulthood, and then go out and serve in some way. So like the military is one particular aspect, right? So let's just say that 80% of these people who went into this military environment, and they served and maybe didn't even go to war, right, but served in some capacity. 80% of them were traumatized, and 20% weren't. Why

Melissa Wiggins  23:53

They were traumatized before they got there? 

Sharon Land  23:56

Yes. It was unrepaired trauma. Wow. Right. So it's not the trauma that creates the issue. It's the lack of repair and the tools that we build, to be able to feel safe and exist in this world. So as us as parents and speaking into the parents out there, right, who are just like, Oh, my God, my kids anxious. I see OCD presentations. They're shutting down, they're digging their heels in. They're sitting there having a sit down strike in the middle of school. I don't know what to do, did it it up? Those are great signs of health. Those are not signs of permanency. That this is the way it's always going to be 

Melissa Wiggins  24:42

What are signs of permanency? What are signs of things that are not healthy?

Sharon Land  24:48

So I just want to speak and add just the last point to that first one. And please ask the question again, because I'm probably going to rephrase it. What it's showing you as a parent is that even though you've got all of the things that society tells us that your child is supposed to have, right, then there is a lack of repair somewhere. And we need to figure out how we can give them what they need. So we can repair it, it is so important for our children, that we respond to what they're telling us, as opposed to what we think is convenient for us in that moment. Because

Melissa Wiggins  25:28

I feel like my entire day, I think about like, at what moment, and where in this day will I connect individually with each of my children. And it's never at the same time. And it's never like what, and this is why I teach quality over quantity. Because I think there's this illusion for parents that we must spend 24 hours with our kids, we must take them to Disney, we must be those parents. And I'm like, Oh my God, my most special moments with my kids. I'll give you two examples. Just in the last two days, like one was this morning with Charlie, no one was awake. It was just her and I we were at the kitchen table having our little moment. The other one was last night with Aaron when he got into the bed and no one was in the room. And he said, Can we just cuddle? We haven't cuddled in a little bit. And like, gotten and snuggle up his nine year old boy and like snuggle then. And it was just like being emotionally available has been like the biggest teaching of my entire life.

Sharon Land  26:30

Right. Right. And nothing is more important than attending to the need that is showing up in that moment. Yeah, for a child that moment, in that moment. And if you really can't let the child know that you see them.

Melissa Wiggins  26:51

Yeah, I do a lot of eye contact with my kids. I've read a lot about you know, actually looking into their eyes, especially now I have a tween you know, a tween boy, who is already very deep and very quiet and shy. And I really, I have connected with him through fun and play and laughter and games. But also just like looking into his eyes

Sharon Land  27:16

Right so deep, but you know what you're doing by looking into his eyes?

Melissa Wiggins  27:20

No, I don't. 

Sharon Land  27:21

You're creating social regulation, which helps to provide the nervous system with the idea and the feeling and the truth of I am safe.

Melissa Wiggins  27:30

Wow. Yeah, I write about it in a book for twins, moms of twins. It was like look in their eyes as much as you can. And there was a couple studies about why you should do it. But yes, yeah, I love that. Right.

Sharon Land  27:44

And the other thing too, is that the vagus nerve is attached to the eye. So

Melissa Wiggins  27:50

So tell me about the vagus. This is like all the rage right now. Why is it all the rage? Why are we all thinking about vagus nerve?

Sharon Land  27:58

So I'm a somatic therapist also. So Soma is the body, right? So it's the study of the body. And so Somatic therapy is that we work with the different aspects of the body, and how emotions might be stored in the body, and how we can help to create a better clearinghouse for all of those,

Melissa Wiggins  28:18

Which is the most fascinating work to me, it is just the most fascinating work and I have watched it in real time. I mean, it is it is really special work. And if you're listening and you're greenlit and you're like Melissa you don't usually talk about somatic or body things on this podcast. I did an interview recently with the anxiety doctor who

Sharon Land  28:43

I've listened to it

Melissa Wiggins  28:44

Dr. Russell Kennedy, and he was talking about anxiety and that's his entire sort of work right now is all on that but he was explaining how you know, a lot of the work I do is very mindset and I've had clients who have done all of the mindset, they understand how to do the thought reset piece, they understand the these things intellectually and yet, these emotions that are stored in their body or trauma, like we're talking about no prevent them from utilizing that incredible knowledge and the powerful way that they could if they worked in the body,

Sharon Land  29:25

Right. So what the body is telling them is that there is a lack of coherence which is a conflict that is existing and if we do not respond to that conflict, that conflict turns into dis ease.

Melissa Wiggins  29:39

Can you say that again? Like I just need your if someone is driving their cars, which they probably are, I want you to like either pull your car over and rewind or VCR and will like say again for us because I just feel like it's really important to pause here for a minute and it's blame lesson a little bit more date. Right? This is important.

Sharon Land  30:03

It's so important because it's everything.

Melissa Wiggins  30:07

It's everything.

Sharon Land  30:07

I mean, we can look at the ripple effect. It's like, it's like we're looking at ourselves in a mirror. And then there's a mirror behind us. And we see the reflections of the mirror of the mirror of the mirror of the mirror the mirror, right? So if we look at all of the different layers of our lives where there is lack of coherence, right, and we are not, I'm not now not trying to create paranoia and have us go out and think we need to, like go out and fix and be perfect tomorrow, right? Like, because there is no perfect part of what we're here to master is a beautiful unfolding of ourselves. And this is a life. This is our life work.

Melissa Wiggins  30:43

Yes, there's no I always say like, You're never done. There's always another layer of the onion, with my clients, with my therapist with my coaches, like we always say that the boxes are up on the shelf, and then we bring one down, we unpack it, and then we put it away. And then we take another one day, right, like it's not it is it is our life's work. And it's important.

Sharon Land  31:07

Right, exactly. So what we have a tendency to do, and what we're programmed to do, and especially a traumatic response, is that we hyper intellectualize everything. Yeah. And so that is like, over consuming information, right? Just constantly searching and reading and attending all of these things all just so we can know. Right? And so the lack of coherence is the fact that we literally are sometimes walking around and I was this, right? So we're walking around like this floating head above a body, but there's no connection. And so the body is continuing to become sicker, we start to have physical issues like GERD, digestive issues, heartburn pain in our back, autoimmune issues, like it shows up all of the time, right? And we're just like, Oh, so now it sends us it's like, perfect. I know how to use my brain. I'm gonna go searching for the answer for that one, too, right? And all we really have to do is just say, Oh, my body is talking to me right now.

Melissa Wiggins  32:20

Sharon, my body is talking to me right now.

Sharon Land  32:23

Yeah

Melissa Wiggins  32:23

My body is trying to tell me something right now

Sharon Land  32:26

My body is healthy

Melissa Wiggins  32:26

I should not ignore my body. 

Sharon Land  32:29

My body is healthy. My body is one of my greatest signs of health. My body is wisdom. My body is the infinite wisdom of the mind of the universe, in physical form. And we're trying to outsmart it. And think we're smarter than our body by studying all these things, and just continuing to create more division and the divide between our minds and our hearts and our bodies, then the connection and the coherence, and the harmony that can exist between all of them, and the peace that we can have, by knowing that we are all of those things. Yeah, so smart. But also, if we just only carry around the information, than it's just information, but if we actually allow this information to help to be a guidepost to us to go deeper into our state of beingness then we actually create wisdom. And wisdom isn't just something that we hold in our heads. It's something that we exist in.

Melissa Wiggins  33:45

I'm like, honestly, like, need a nap after this. Like amazing. I think everyone's gonna listen to this podcast twice. And I'm so thankful that you started you agreed to come on again, to talk about other because I just I just feel like what you're seeing Sharon, if more people would take it to heart to really it's like it's it's easier for us to you to read another book to listen to another podcast to attend another seminar and these things are all great but they're great for a different reason. They're great for connection and community and but no about like you need to learn more more more more, more like you're never going to be complete if you don't, you know learn more. But taking that knowledge and using it as a guidepost just wow. Yeah, really powerful.

Sharon Land  34:53

We metabolize life through us. We are the vessel of life and have source of infinite light and love and wisdom and knowledge and all of those things, right? We can't rush our metabolism. You can't, you can't force your stomach to, to metabolize the food that you put in there. Right? Your stomach just metabolizes the food. Right? So you don't say, well, that's not fast enough. You just say, Okay, well, when it's done, it's done, right. And sometimes our bodies actually even reflect to us, like, you're not allowing me to even do this. Right? So that's where like the term emotionally constipated, comes out and all of that stuff, right? But like, really, our bodies are the ones who usually show us that first. So all of that to say that we need rest and digest, to be part of our life's mission, in all experiences in our life. Right. And I was the worst at it. So I was such a high performer and I was a professional equestrian. And so like, I would get bucked off of a horse. And before I even landed the ground, I was rising up to get back in the saddle again. Yeah, like I never, I did not allow my like, and that was literally my life. I was so I was so strong, right. And I was born strong. I was born knowing that I had to just be all these things. Right. And so I was like, game on. Right? Give me a bottom wrong. I love it. I'm going to find the top one. Watch me, right. But unfortunately, it never really allowed me to metabolize and have an appreciation for what my experience was. Yeah. Right. So that's where that numbness comes into play. And that's where, how

Melissa Wiggins  36:38

We're finding something to numb with. Right? Finding something?

Sharon Land  36:43

Again, yeah, that is actually our body's infinite wisdom of trying to do something healthy for us.

Melissa Wiggins  36:50

Wow. 

Sharon Land  36:52

Right. So I mean, there's just so many different ways we can go into the topic. I'm so passionate about it, obviously. And 

Melissa Wiggins  37:00

I'm gonna have you back because I like to try to keep these episodes short and informative, because I want....I know my audience. And you know, I usually get like.....we joke around like people who listen to a lot. They're like, You got 20 to 40 minutes, Melissa, between things. I'm like, Okay, I understand. So I'm gonna have you back. Because I do honestly feel like more people need to hear what your message is, what your work is what you're doing. You also have a book coming out. Tell me a little bit about your book. Okay. I already know about the book, everybody that's listening, but like she's gonna tell you guys because like, I'm super pumped about it.

Sharon Land  37:41

Yeah, I'm so excited about it. So this book is a book that really is a memoir of short stories and experiences of myself, that very much speak into the hearts and the minds and the souls and the wisdom of ourselves. In we see ourselves in that. And we have that peace of connection, and that peace of regulation. And it comes in all of the senses and all of the ways. That's my hope. That's my hope.

Melissa Wiggins  38:15

There's no question.

Sharon Land  38:17

I've thrown my lasso out into the universe as much as possible to be able to, like bring it down into tangible form, write books are very tangible. And so I've done the best that I can, but also providing a lot of just education right on, like, how is it that we end up 25 miles down? a one way street going the wrong way? Yeah. Right. And it can show up in so many different ways. So I'm writing this book. So far, the title is The Dragon slayers whisperer. And it's really just all about healing and all the things that we've talked about, like how it starts, how we can, how it presents itself, how we can start to see and spot the signs of like tools that we've used to create safety in our lives, to be able to move through the world in a way that we know that we have to and also we're told that we have to and that we should, and all of the programming and the acculturation that happens and and it doesn't matter if you're from here in the United States, or if you're from Egypt, this book is going to speak into your soul.

Melissa Wiggins  39:24

I can't wait. I'm very excited about it. When does it come in?  

Sharon Land  39:30

Well, the publisher is saying March 13. That's the date that we've agreed upon.

Melissa Wiggins  39:36

Wow. 

Sharon Land  39:36

So it's very soon. 

Melissa Wiggins  39:38

Very soon. 

Sharon Land  39:40

It's almost fully written and then it'll go to editing and then another editing and then it'll be out.

Melissa Wiggins  39:45

I'm very excited. And I'm also going to have you back and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us is it was amazing and I just so appreciate you, lassy.

Sharon Land  39:49

Thank you so much, and I really encourage, everybody that's listening to just like take this in bite sized pieces. And if you have any questions, please reach out and ask me I'm more than I've so many resources, free resources that I'm happy to provide about like the vagus nerve reset lots of different simple, easy ways that you can really help to just be more regulate itself, so that we can go out and be more of ourselves in a safe and happy way. 

Melissa Wiggins  40:24

Yeah, we will share as much as you're able to give us. I will put it in the show notes for everybody to be able to see some more of you, but also follow you on social media. You have incredible social media with lots of great information on there. I mean, I've learned a lot just on there. So we will tag all the things and and then let people get to know more of your incredible work.

Sharon Land  40:48

Thank you so much. Thank you and I just loved this was such a great conversation and I'm just really grateful to be here. Thank you

Melissa Wiggins  40:54

Same.