Ever felt judged for your food choices or struggled with extreme healthy eating obsessions? We're tearing down barriers and breaking the silence as we openly discuss Orthorexia from this article https://www.choosingtherapy.com/orthorexia/ An eating disorder that's more than just a fanatic commitment to clean eating. By the end of this enlightening conversation, we promise you a clearer understanding of Orthorexia, from its symptoms to risk factors, and its distinct separation from other conditions like anorexia nervosa and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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Ever felt judged for your food choices or struggled with extreme healthy eating obsessions? We're tearing down barriers and breaking the silence as we openly discuss Orthorexia from this article https://www.choosingtherapy.com/orthorexia/ An eating disorder that's more than just a fanatic commitment to clean eating. By the end of this enlightening conversation, we promise you a clearer understanding of Orthorexia, from its symptoms to risk factors, and its distinct separation from other conditions like anorexia nervosa and obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Do you have a story you would like to share? Send it to us at theweightingroompc@gmail.com
Disclaimer: We are not Medical professionals and all views and opinions are our own.
I like I got to do my makeup for this weekend and I'm just like man, damn it, chris.
Speaker 2:You should do like a makeup live where we like, help each other. Do like a look.
Speaker 1:I thought about that, but I'm like I do not have the time for that this week Because I work, work. Help setting up for the wedding eloping ceremony.
Speaker 2:I should do a witchy vibe makeup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I Lisa, Hi Chris. So I think I almost said last week and this is a couple weeks ago at least I did that we did that episode about disorders and in there it also talked about other eating disorders and one of them was orthorexia, and then I said, if anyone is interested and we had a couple people reach out, People that have been through it. So we're going to talk about orthorexia and we're going to learn something to Yay, all right.
Speaker 1:Yay for learning, not eating disorders, oh God. Just to clarify.
Speaker 2:I think everyone knows, and so this is orthorexia signs, symptoms and treatments. It's written by Kerry health, who has a lot of things after her name, and reviewed by Kristen Fuller MD. You know that's what I mean. Like MD, I don't know what they stand for. Like I feel like they meet the law, mean they do, I feel they mean something, but I don't know what they mean Right right, and that's not what we're learning today, and not at all. Okay, so orthorexia is an obsessional photo. Do you know anything about orthorexia?
Speaker 1:No, okay, so we're both in this day.
Speaker 2:Okay. Orthorexia is an obsessional focus on healthy eating. While there's no formal diagnosis of or orthorexia, specialists in the field of eating disorders recognize it as being distinct from other conditions such as anorexia nervosa and obsessive compulsive disorder, ocd. Generally generally, changing one's diet is a positive step towards improved health. However, if one becomes fixated on self imposed dietary restrictions, eating behaviors can quickly become problematic. What is orthorexia? Orthorexia is more than clean eating, and that's in parentheses. It is an overly rigid set of rules about food.
Speaker 2:People who suffer from orthorexia may begin a genuine desire to live in a in a healthier manner. Most people with orthorexia have been restrained eaters for quite some time prior to requiring treatment. Who does orthorexia affect? So in most children and adolescents, choosing to eat a bit healthier is considered a good thing and is encouraged by parents, teachers and medical providers. Children and teens tend to be somewhat suggestible, so when they are faced with messages that certain foods are quote unquote bad, they will be easily influenced to change their way of viewing food and their bodies. So diet culture Okay. I hope that that didn't minimize it, but you know what I mean. Like when I'm reading this, it's just like yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So how orthorexia presents in different people. Children may no longer purchase meals at school due to their belief that their lunches are too unhealthy. They may start skipping desserts, after school snacks and reject their once favorite meals in order to conform to their idea of what is good for them. A child or teenager may become less social due to their fear of having to eat bad quote unquote bad foods. While away from home, young people may start refusing invitations to socialize with their friends. Parents may notice that their children or teens spend more time hovering in the kitchen in order to monitor whether their meal is being prepared to their rigid standards.
Speaker 2:In older adolescents and adults, some of these same symptoms are present. There may be a decrease in socialization due to the person's inability to find quote unquote healthy food to consume. But as the individual pursues more and more purity in their intake while seeking perfection, it is harder to maintain social relationships. That is something that I noticed, like. I guess it's like there is also that there's bullet on get your words together. There's that social Like you need to be away from people when, when all of these things are happening, you know like you don't want to be seen. You just want it to be hidden and it's like.
Speaker 2:That's like I feel yeah common common denominator in most of these well, and a lot of it too.
Speaker 1:Like I Think about every celebration that you've been to, a huge thing around it is food every single time, right Like, and now. So, for example, like everybody here knows, I've given up pizza. Right Like, I don't eat pizza anymore and people don't understand that. Like, people look at it as either a restriction or I'm just Blowing something out of proportions. You know what I mean. So at Harper's birthday party, we ordered pizza for everybody, but I didn't eat any of the pizza. I just had a couple snacks and then I was gonna grab something to eat afterwards. But people said to me there like you just bought pizza for everybody and you're not eating pizza.
Speaker 1:Like people judge you without Realizing that they're judging you and half the time they're not trying to be rude about it, but it is. You know what I mean. Like it, it there's one thing for curiosity, but then when you explain what's happening, they're still gonna judge you at the end. So it's like I let's just avoid the scenario in general. You know what I mean. Like I don't avoid the scenario because, like, I'm still gonna live my life just because, just because I'm not giving up Peter, just because I have given up pizza, but I can understand people with eating disorders not wanting to Be around people because they don't want to. What feels like broadcast it?
Speaker 2:Yeah so I totally get that that is a Way I started like feeling. I've talked about before how, like my aunt made a comment once when I ordered a chicken Caesar salad, yeah, I was like there's more calories than that than a burger. And I was like, why are you paying attention to my food? And I'll never forget this one time. We were on a family vacation with all my extended family and I was a vegetarian at the time, but I was only a vegetarian because I thought it was a way of being healthy.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm and my uncle could not get on board with this very Italian and just nope, and they were making burgers and steaks, all the stuff, and I'm like I don't want any of it. And they're like well, we purposefully got you this salmon, since you're not gonna eat the other stuff. I'm like salmon still, it's a fish, like that's a living, like I'm not a pescetarian, I'm a vegetarian. And I just felt so, so judged, and it was around so many people that I ate the salmon and I was so mad about it and I felt horrible.
Speaker 2:I felt mad and then I Didn't want to be around people anymore, especially yeah and that was like right in my beginning times of high school too, and I Would eat in the bathrooms like I ate, away from people. I never wanted people to see anything about what I was ever eating. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. Back to the story. The article not sorry. People may give up activities outside of work and school due to their time required to meal prep, menu plan and research New ways to eat better. That's. The transition from healthy to distort, disordered eating is constant among all age groups. So and I the one thing I like about these articles is it does help as well for like parents to try and help spot it with their children.
Speaker 2:Yeah because I feel like I feel like it's like kids that are always, like it, seemed to be the most impacted by this, because then you're also like around other people that might be doing this and then it's just like that social Need to be thin.
Speaker 1:Well, and there's such a high percentage of the world that is targeted towards adolescents because they have expendable money, right like they go to the, they go to work Part-time jobs and all that so that they can have money to spend and they're going to spend it on Whatever they're influenced to spend the money on, right. So such a high portion of the media. So when you're constantly forced to look at look how skinny this person is, look how perfect this person is, you are not perfect unless you look like this person. And at such a young age like that, where it's so easy Like you're, you're dealing with hormones, you're dealing with emotions, you feel like you're an adult because you're making these decisions on your own. But, realistically, once you're an adult, you realize you were just a kid, but it's all targeted to you for that. So, of course, you're going to fall into these mental health issues, because it's what you're being trained to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So symptoms of orthorexia. Orthorexia is an eating disorder characterized by an extremely red Did I already read this? I feel like they repeat this kind of stuff a lot Rigid way of eating and thinking about food. As it relates to health and wellness, often a person suffering from orthorexia believes that they must follow a set of self-imposed rules that either remain healthy or avoid some feared or unknown medical issues in the future.
Speaker 2:If you are someone you know is regularly commenting about the health benefits of a specific way of eating or the negative and I'm sure a lot of us can think of some like edged I'm not not thinking of anyone in particular, but we can. We know someone like this in our life, like this is very Like. All of this speaks to me, like I've seen this or like that, people that may not even be diagnosed with this. It's just like you know what I mean. Okay, um, um.
Speaker 2:Specific way of eating or negative impact of eating certain foods, you may be dealing with the symptoms of orthorexia. Symptoms of orthorexia can include compulsive checking of ingredients list and nutritional labels and increase in concern about the health of ingredients, cutting out an increasing number of food groups like all sugar, all carbs, all dairy, all meat, all animal products. An inability to eat anything but a narrow group of foods that are deemed healthy or pure. Unusual interest in the health of what others are eating. Spending several hours per day thinking about what food might be served at upcoming events, showing high levels of distress when safe or healthy foods are not available. Obsessive following of food and quote-unquote healthy lifestyle blogs and body image concerns.
Speaker 2:You know, like a lot of those things in that list, like I, I speak to that, but like I just know it's like not at that level, like of the extreme that people can take it, but when you think about it, like this is even relating to like certain diets, like keto, for example. You know, like because you're taking out a complete food group, I don't know, I'm not. And also, please, like everyone. I think that everyone that listens to this understands that it's just like I'm not saying anyone that's on keto is a orthorexia. I just think that that's like a one part, you know, of the grand scheme of things anyway Sorry, my cat's being weird.
Speaker 2:It's like causes and risk factors of orthorexia. Not every diet leads to an eating disorder oh my God, it's like okay anyway. Or even to orthorexia specifically. However, orthorexia does not exist in the absence of a pre existing rigid, rigid health focus. The more restrictive a diet is, the more likely the individual will be to develop a resulting eating disorder. The common risk factors of orthorexia include restrictive diets, anxiety and or obsessive compulsive disorder First degree. First degree relatives with an eating disorder or anxiety disorder, like parent, a parent or sibling, previous or current eating disorders such as anorexia nervosa or bulimia nervosa. Perfectionist tendencies. Higher socioeconomic status and healthcare related fields. Performers and athletes. Do you know how often I have actually heard that like, like people talking about like a plus size nurse or something like how can they talk about to me about health or a plus size doctor? I've even seen that on TikTok, where people like well, that dog shouldn't be talking. It's like yeah, but like, should we be talking then about weight loss? Like? You know what I mean? It's like we, I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 1:I get that, I know. I really hate that and like I wanted to go into like the healthcare field and then I'm just like, oh my God, I can just imagine what people it's like the amount of times that people are like you can't be fat and fit and I'm just like y'all sit there on Sundays and watch so many plus size guys run around playing football and call them athletes, but I can't go to the gym and call myself fit because I can, like, press over 300 pounds and I'm just like get over yourself.
Speaker 2:So there are similarities between OCD and orthorexia versus anorexia. Anxiety is a commonality among most individuals with eating disorders, because those with eating disorders use the behaviors to manage emotional states that they perceive to be negative. This is also true of individuals with obsessive compulsive tendencies. Individuals who have a history of anorexia can easily migrate into the world of orthorexia and vice versa. Diagnosing orthorexia, eating disorders or diagnose using an industry accepted set of criteria outlined in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, in short form, dsmv. Individuals who present with signs and symptoms of orthorexia will likely be diagnosed with what eating disorder specialists refer to as osfed or other specific feeding or eating disorder. This is a category.
Speaker 1:I have heard of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is a category of eating disorders that don't meet full criteria for other specific disorders. The challenge for medical and mental health providers is to differentiate between those who are safely pursuing pursuing improved health and those who have crossed over into disordered eating. A person may begin their pursuit of health by eliminating highly processed foods along with other items they believe to be less nutritious. There's nothing pathological about reducing processed or packaged foods in favor of lean meats, fruits and vegetables. Indicators that someone has crossed over into disordered eating is a tendency to completely avoid eating when they are unable to find foods that meet their high standards of health. Sorry, I only let out that laugh because I started thinking about something a little bit different. Sometimes it's like I get so frustrated trying to think about food that it's like I try and eat but I can't pick something. So then I'd rather just not eat than think about it any longer. And it doesn't fall under that. It's like literally just my brain being like give up mentality, high standards of health. They have to prepare the foods themselves or progressively eliminate more and more foods from their list of quote unquote acceptable foods. These behaviors can and often lead to medical and psychological complications.
Speaker 2:The treatment of orthorexia. While there is no specific treatments designed exclusively for orthorexia, therapy, medication and lifestyle modifications can be implemented. A difficulty that eating disorder specialists encounter and treating orthorexia is that these individuals are resistance, are resistant to hearing that they need to modify their behavior. Dietitians and therapists struggle to convince patients that adding back these, those foods they have worked so hard to eliminate, is the way to a healthier self. That is so hard. I can just imagine like how it's a very minimal thing, but I feel like making the example of how I felt about bananas for so long is like a way to relate to this. Because, like I was told forever that it's like why are you like a fat person, eating that like that's just going to make you more fat. That's not going to help you in your weight loss, it's going to help you gain weight and all these things about bananas and it made me so fearful of them. But there's nothing to fear about that, especially when you're eating in a moderation, you know, and it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah anyway, that that's my relation to that one. Do you ever have like any of that where there's foods that scare you?
Speaker 1:I mean pizza scares me if. I'm being completely honest Like that's why, but that's why I quit it.
Speaker 2:It was because oh, my God, I didn't tell you and it's probably it's fat girl therapy. But remember how I said that like, oh, the last few times I've had pizza, I got really sick. And like I've learned my lesson. Two weeks no, how long have I been in the challenge? At 21 days, so it's three weeks ago. Then it was right before I started the challenge, ram's got pizza and I was like, okay, I'm gonna have it too. And Lisa, when I tell you that I have made the decision now that I am no longer ever allowed to have pizza, let's just say that, like, what happened to me felt like I should have been in the hospital.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Like I'm trying to say it without making everyone be sick at home, but like it wasn't just vomiting that, like something came out of me that was very concerning and scary and I was like curled up in a ball. I have no idea what was going on. I had to take Tylenol to make the pain go away. I should have gone to the hospital I really should have but there was a part of me that just knew it was the pizza and I-.
Speaker 1:Has this happened every time you ordered the same pizza place?
Speaker 2:No, that's what's like really bad. But like I've had one of those like thin crust like better, like gluten friendly ones. I'm like out with my mom and I was fine and but I had a very minimal amount. But yeah, the last times that I've had they were two times from Domino's, or maybe three times in one time from Hanigo, but this last time I'm not gonna say where from because I don't wanna put them down because that's not them, it's me. I'm the problem. Right, it was just it was bad, like really, really bad. And there only thing I can blame it on now is pizza. Like that was extremely confirming to me because I was like I didn't eat anything else and like why is this happening again?
Speaker 2:So, maybe my body is allergic to whatever's in pizza crust yeah, power.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mine is such a mental thing Like it's not even like I think I've talked about it in depth here how it's literally an addiction, like as soon as I have it once, it's like okay, how many different ways can I have pizza now? And I'm constantly thinking about it. And if I stop myself from eating the pizza, it's like I will think about it from hours to days to weeks, like, and it's so bad. It's so bad Like mental health wise, it's not. I feel better not having it when I'm around it do I want it Absolutely, but I feel better not having it than I do when I have it. And I know at this point, because it's been six months, at this point, if I had pizza I would just, it would be such a spiral, it would be such a spiral.
Speaker 2:In the world that we live in now. Like I feel like maybe you probably don't, but is there any foods that you have where you're like, oh no, I can't eat that, because that's just gonna make me gain weight.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know no because that's just no okay. There's nothing that I have cut out because of weight loss, Like I've been very neutral with that. The only thing I have cut out is pizza, and that's strictly because of my mental health. It has nothing to do with oh. Cutting out pizza is gonna make me lose weight, Like no.
Speaker 2:There was a time in your life, though, where that mentality there was a thing right, yeah, Well, I had a doctor tell me to do keto. Yeah, Like most of us in our life like maybe to, not the extreme of, like orthorexia or anorexia or any of those like we've had, those where the media or diet, culture or some toxic influencer has told you to cut something out of your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like not yet. And now, Okay, anyway, going back into the article therapy, Yay, therapy for everyone.
Speaker 1:Yay.
Speaker 2:Therapy for orthorexia looks much like it does for those suffering from other eating disorders, such as anorexia, bulimia and binge eating disorder. Eating disorders are similar at the core, while presenting varying symptoms. The individual's team will consist of a licensed therapist, a registered dietitian, a primary care physician and possibly a psychiatrist. Treatment options are available in a variety of treatment settings, including outpatient, private practices, intensive outpatient programs, partial hospitalization and residential or inpatient programs. The frequency and level of care a patient requires depends on the severity of both medical and psychological complications. The team, usually led by a therapist, will coordinate care with the patient and her other team members. That's interesting why they said her. You know what I mean. That's our individual and family therapy. Nutrition counseling, medical monitoring and medication management are possible treatment options available to the eating disorder patient. I wish there was just a pill we could drop to make us like forget. All it probably is. So just forget, like to deprogram all the toxic shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know what People would get? They would totally get addicted to that. Like that is a problem, Like let's not do drugs, Chris.
Speaker 2:Or like in men in black, where they come and wipe their memory of aliens like come, wipe my memory of toxic culture yes, that makes more sense. Okay, sorry, I'm just thinking about you, the pill to make you forget.
Speaker 1:That's called alcohol.
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay, did you know that? Cause I didn't know. Random thing is and this might not be factual, I thought in a tech talk is that when you drink like you know, because it might like lift you up and you know how it's a depressant right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The effects of alcohol. So, whatever it is in your brain that releases when you're drinking alcohol I don't remember all the names of the stuff the chemical that releases and makes you like, feel like good, and everything there's that other one that's released, cause it's like whoa, you have too much of that. But the thing that's released can last in your system for up to four days, whereas like the other one, like is gone within a few hours. Right, so like that's where, like that depressiveness, like after you've been drinking, like lasts from that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I thought that was really neat. Don't quote me on that, it was from a tech talk.
Speaker 1:We are not doctors. We are not doctors, we are not doctors.
Speaker 2:Okay. So common types of therapy for orthorexia is the most common and wildly accepted treatment for eating disorders in general are cognitive behavioral therapy. So CBT, dialectal behavioral therapy, dbt, family based therapy, fbt and some type of exposure therapy. It is important that any treatment plan contains some. It is important that any treatment plan contains some type of evidence-based treatment, one that is backed by science, research and has been proven to be successful. So then it does go in to talk about the individual ones. I will talk about two of them.
Speaker 2:So CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy. I'm gonna talk about this only because I have been suggested this myself Assist individuals in challenging disorder thinking, behaviors and emotions that serve to maintain their eating disorders. This type of treatment focuses on helping the eating disorder client recognize and change negative thinking and behavioral patterns. Self-monitoring homework assignments are often a significant part of CBT treatment. This allows a client to track symptoms and review their progress in sessions with their therapist in both outpatient and inpatient treatment settings. Dbt so dialectal behavioral therapy is a type of cognitive behavioral therapy that was developed by Marsha Linhen for treatment of suicidal clients and borderline personality disorder. Dbt is designed to help clients develop a new skill sets through modules such as emotional regulation, distress, tolerance, interpersonal effectiveness and mindfulness. These are designed to help individuals deal with anxiety, out of control, emotions and other issues that contribute to one's eating disorder. So it does talk about a couple other ones, but I will link this article in the description of this.
Speaker 1:Episode.
Speaker 2:Episode Thank you.
Speaker 2:Because then it does go in to talk about medications and whatnot. So so when I link the article, it will go on to talk about a lot of other things. So I'm just going to highlight a few other things in the article right now. So it does go on to talk about medications and then it goes into talking about lifestyle changes. So, in addition to the formal treatment a person receives, the person receives for orthorexia, such as therapy and medication, there are lifestyle changes that can help as well. So, spending time with family and friends to increase support and accountability, making sure to get adequate sleep to reduce stress, anxiety and depression, that is something I fricking lack in men. You know what I really need to work on sleep. That should be my next goal. Making sure to get no sorry. Participating in activities that increase relaxation and decrease stress, such as meditation, listening to music, yoga, art, massage, making tiny little doors, reducing exposure to social media to decrease anxiety, depression, sleep disorders and exposure to a culture of dieting, Joining and eating disorder.
Speaker 2:Group therapy I mean, don't leave us, but if you need to for your mental health, please do it. Or increasing a circle of friends to help with feelings less alone while dealing with treatment and recovery.
Speaker 1:I just want to pin. I want to talk about that for a second, because you also noticed the or I noted the friends and family at the beginning. Like I cannot stress how important it is for you to have a real support group. Like people are like oh yeah, I have great friends and then half the time those friends are not supportive and they're putting you down and you feel like you have to stay friends with those people and you don't. Like I'm an adult now, so that's a lot easier for me to say, reflecting back on people who treated me like shit and now those people are out of my life and it just it releases so much pressure on you when you're trying to be this perfect person.
Speaker 1:For these friends and family, like people are like oh, blood matters. Like family matters, like no, people who support you, people who actually love you. So those are the people who matter. It does not matter the title of people, it does not matter the title of somebody. People who support you are the people that you should be having in your life Work aside, obviously, because work is like you're going to deal with people from work, whatever, but the people that you choose to have in your life as your friends, as your family. Those people should be supporting you, and if they're not, they are not your friends and family. Yeah, flat out.
Speaker 2:So talking about like treatment. So intended treatment and outcome, outcome and timeline. It's interesting to think of a timeline, but the timeline for treatment of an eating disorders involves involves a multi step. Multi step step cycle getting with recognizing the developing symptoms of an eating disorder, seeking out professional help, diagnosis of a possible eating disorder, waiting for specialized care and confirmation of an eating disorder, participating in treatment, recovery and, in some cases, a relapse, leading back to the first step of the cycle. The intended outcome when treating any eating disorder is for the individual to be free from most or all symptoms. Professionals attempt to assist the person in getting to a place in which their disorder is no longer impairing their physical and emotional health or interfering with social, educational or vocational pursuits.
Speaker 2:There are no standard lengths of care to achieve recovery from an eating disorder, regardless of the type of treatment use. The longer a person goes without care, the more likely they are to experience periods of partial recovery and relapse requiring additional treatment. The article then also goes on to talk about the cost of treatment, which I don't think is like very. It can range anywhere from 500 to 2000 per day. No wait, that's for inpatient, then outpatient you can do like counseling sessions for around like $90. But the reason why I'm not really talking too much about that is because that's going to be different, I guess, depending on where you are in the world and what kind?
Speaker 2:of things are offered like. For example, I did a food addiction course here in Canada. They don't believe in food addiction in America.
Speaker 2:So you know co occurring disorders are common for someone living with orthorexia. Given the nature of orthorexia, anxiety and depression can be underlining issues which manifest into orthorexia under the disguise of quote unquote healthy eating for better coping with those mood disorders. To add to those OCD which is rooted in anxiety, and a rigid sense of control over situations or rituals can develop to orthorexia, since it can be so limiting. Having behavioral tendencies for binge eating and bulimia are also common. How to get help honestly seeking out a medical professional that's me talking right now.
Speaker 2:But if someone is interested in seeking out care for themselves or a loved one, an initial assessment with either an eating disorder therapist or registered dietitian is a good place to start. These individuals are trained to recognize and diagnose eating disorders. They will then make appropriate recommendations for additional providers if necessary. In the most severe cases, professionals may refer to treatment facilities or hospital hospitals specializing in the care of those with eating disorders, including intensive outpatient programs, partial hospitalization programs or inpatient facilities. Thank you. One thing that it does in here as well like the reason why I keep suggesting for people to read this article as well as it does go into like statistics of disordered eating and related things. It goes into orthorexia versus anorexia, talking about, like the roles of food that it plays or anything, and it's a big list and it would make sense for me to read it out loud, so I would suggest doing that. But the final thoughts at the end of this article, or if you or someone you love is struggling with orthorexia, there is hope to recover and live a healthy life ahead. Working with a doctor, therapist and a strong support system can make a big difference in how you feel. And then in this link it will talk about going to places like even better help. You can look up nutritionist dietitians depending on the area that you're in. There are so many, sorry I can't think of the word but there's resources to help. I know that, like by reading this, like by learning more about orthorexia and the per.
Speaker 2:One of the people that reached out to me were telling me their experience and, like explaining it a little bit, and I do relate to this and I know there's a lot of people there will be like, maybe I have it, but, like, before you go ahead and start self diagnosing yourself, talk to a medical professional Because maybe, like, yeah, this relates to you, but maybe there's something else going on and it's not this and you don't want to be leading yourself down a path of like wrong information when there might be something else going on with you.
Speaker 2:But definitely make sure it's someone that you trust. Don't For me, like I wouldn't go to my doctor and just say this to him, because I personally don't trust my doctor that much. I will find the people that like even the mental health professional I'm talking to right now she might have a great recommendation on where I can go get CBT, because that is something that has been recommended to me now my three different mental health professionals, so I think I need to. So, yeah, just just make sure you know, talk to someone that you trust about. It is is my best opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's my professional podcaster opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree, Totally agree.
Speaker 2:What are your thoughts about orthorexia? Do you have, like my things that stand out to you? Because, like you have, you have two eating disorders. Yeah is there anything in here that like spoke to you or that you can see a relation to?
Speaker 1:I can. I can understand the perspective of it, but I can't relate to it Like I can. I can say that point. I will say, though, like, when it comes to getting help and actually fixing it, it's. I understand that that is scary. I understand that there's a part of you that is your anxiety, putting the fear in your head of you can't live without this eating disorder. You need this eating disorder.
Speaker 1:Like when I was dealing with my orthorexia was like but if you, if you deal with the anorexia, you're going to get fat, you're going to look the way you did before. People aren't going to love you because of how fat you're going to be. And then, when it came to the binge eating, it's like well, it doesn't matter what other people think of you, anyways, you may as well just eat it. It's going to make you feel good. You may as well just eat it. You know what I mean and the fear of your in your head of, well, if I just don't eat it, it's like but what are you missing out on this then? Like you're missing out on how great this food tastes, and you know what I mean, and that's something that I fought with a lot, with giving up pizza and but releasing yourself from that it's like the, it's like the disorders know that once you let go of that, things are going to be easier. And it's so hard to feel that way because the disorder has you believing that you can't live without that disorder, that this disorder is what's going to make your life better, and that's not. And as soon as you get help and as soon as you're freed from it I'm not saying it's easy, but as soon as it's and I'm not free from it all the time.
Speaker 1:Obviously sometimes it necks on me. It's a disorder, it's going to come back. But I have way more free days than I do trapped days. You don't realize it until you start fighting against it and sometimes it takes a little while, like if you start fighting against it for a day or two, you're not going to feel free at that point. But once it's been like for me, just with the pizza as an example, it took me about a month and I was like I don't even miss it anymore.
Speaker 1:But this last couple weeks where things have been really stressful and really busy, as per we talked about on the last podcast and hell, even other things that I've talked to Chris about that I'm not talking about here. There's been so much going on that my body was like you could totally go for a slice pizza right now and it would be fine, just have the one slice of pizza. And I know I can't because it wouldn't be one slice of pizza and it wouldn't be that one time and it would be a downward spiral and it's something I've been struggling with, but it's. It is the feeling of not having. It feels better than the feeling of having it, and it's the same idea with the eating disorders not not having to think about that every day, not having to be afraid of eating a burger every day. So getting help. I highly recommend it and it's not easy and you're very strong for doing it when you do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, like for me I don't know if other people experience this, but it's hard to think of how much time that you're going to have to spend on bettering yourself, like to help yourself from this. Because, like, if you think like in my head, I'd go, god is probably going to take like a year, to probably take even longer, and I go, I don't want to spend the next year my life dealing with this, even though I'm now forgetting that I've spent the last 38 years dealing with the whole other part. But it's like I'm not willing to put a year in to try and better that. I think it's like the concept of time. We all have to remember that it is currently October of 2023.
Speaker 2:Shut up like you're any mean, like that time is gonna come so fast. I'm planning a trip for next October and I'm like God that's a year away. I hate that it's going to be here no time, lisa and. I are gonna be reading out our resolutions in less than two months.
Speaker 1:I don't even remember what I fucking wrote down either. Not gonna actually.
Speaker 2:I do know one of them and I'm so sad I didn't do it this year. It's no way I couldn't. I.
Speaker 1:Have no idea, not a clue.
Speaker 2:I Know one of my things on the list was Visit Lisa. Question mark like on my board and I Love the question mark. I was like that's fine Well it's cuz I said I'm like I have to go on a solo road trip. Did I go on the solo road trip?
Speaker 1:No, cuz I felt guilty and Are we gonna do that as our final back girl therapy is going over, whatever resolutions were?
Speaker 2:I think so yeah. Cuz then as everyone knows, we will be taking a Christmas break around. I think I even uploaded a three-minute Clip last yeah saying hey. So we normally take like a majority of December and a little bit of January off. Actually I think all of January.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, last year we took all January, but I was also, we were yeah just getting back up with after having a baby and all that stuff. But yeah, we've got. We're October 9th, which means we've got the month of October and the month of December, and then our last episodes will probably be like the 12th and 14th of December and then we'll see you next year.
Speaker 2:There's a couple guests that we definitely want to try and huh for fuck. Yeah, we do we've had them on the back burner now for months and I feel, I feel like some of them are just gonna be like who are you At this point?
Speaker 1:it's been so busy. It's just, I feel, so bad. Well, because every time we rescheduled, we canceled, mostly because one of us was in the hospital.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Either one of us. It's just been so insane, but and the fact that all of you are still here is very appreciative and we love it.
Speaker 2:And I still, like, even though it's playing, I'm still. I'm sorry that like it happens like this. It's just very unexpected and and there was a time where Lisa and I like tried to pre-record Episodes I think that was last year but it just didn't work out and like I hate it because then I was like okay, well, I just posted that and even though it was only two weeks ago, it's like that's not what I'm going through now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would be so delayed. It would be different if, like, if this was our day job you know what I mean. Yeah, like if a network reached out to us and said hey, we want to pay you to be on our network. Absolutely, we would be there every week because we wouldn't have, we would have the time, but Barrymore is gonna get canceled. I heard that I.
Speaker 2:Heard that I am so sad, by the way side note, but I'll probably keep this in I am not Idolizing anyone, ever again, any anyone. There have been creators I have idolized, like. I thought even idolizing a creator would be okay because you get to see their lives, and so like yeah.
Speaker 2:It's as a little less like you can't really hide, but then it's like, wow, they were capable of it. Every actor I Love from the 90s or anything has ended up being a really shitty person. And Though I am not kidding, june 6 2020. I told you, I said out loud If JK Rowling ends up being an asshole after Ram just gave me this great Harry Potter box set, I will lose my shit June 6 2020. I said that June 6 2020 is when she made that tweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I said a week before she did it. I said I can't wait to start my drew content, because I actually wanted to wait until the strike was almost done because, like my Whole goal was to maybe like be invited on her show or something I was gonna do, like these whole monologues of her past performances or whatever it was a thing I was planning. And then she did this and I said I can't, I cannot idolize.
Speaker 1:I heard her show was being. I don't know what she did. I haven't been on anything.
Speaker 2:So I'm a union person in my heart and you, you support other unions. And what she did was she tried to make her show come back without the writers and said that Doing it differently they don't need the writers, or whatever, and they called her a scab. And then she was like, okay, no, I'm not gonna come back. Like after there was so much back glass, especially on social media. And yeah, a week later, a week after she did that, the strike ended, had she have just waited one week. But you know it's kind of good she didn't, because then it was kind of like, well, there you go, you're a scab.
Speaker 2:I think that I think she's gonna come through. But the problem is is good luck trying to find writers that are gonna come to your show and like Not fuck you over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once you've been able to scab.
Speaker 2:It's like you it's. You can't get that off your record Like people do not do any works. He didn't stand with the union.
Speaker 1:It's too bad too, because, like it was like what a month ago, where she went in and supported one of her audience members and people are like, oh my god, she's way better than Ellen, because Ellen went way down the tube real fast.
Speaker 2:So Anyways, anyway, just stop idolizing people Except us.
Speaker 1:No, I get it, man, it's like you, I get that yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like if people weren't gonna like us, they wouldn't like us already, because we talk about everything on this podcast. That's true, no, us like if you don't know us, and the fact that I feel like people still don't know us I still explain things before I'm about to say it just makes me laugh. Every time, I feel like that one person that doesn't know us is gonna tune in on this episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I try to think about like I don't know, do people actually know us, or do you and I just know each other and there, because there's so much that we cut out right. So it's like do they know us or?
Speaker 2:that's that 10% I was talking about that. We cut out where it's like you know what, like, like, so when we're recording, lisa and I are friends, so I'm going to have that bitch session about Rams or she's gonna have her bitch session about her husband, but we don't want to put that on on the podcast because we're just saying that to each other, so like we'll cut something like that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah anything else, you guys get everything. I actually opened up a little bit about certain things I said I'd never open up a vote on here, so I feel like they do get quite a bit of that and and you know what I think it is that I'm questioning in my head is like I Struggle with knowing myself at this point.
Speaker 1:So I'm here and I'm talking about myself here on tick tock and here on myself on on the podcast, and it's like so people are like I know you, but it's like do you know me? Because I don't know me. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:I have to remember as well, though, that, like when you're making a tick tock, like for me, when I'm talking in my tick tock and talking about my day, I am putting my best foot forward because, like, if I was feeling, like if I like, I'd be pretty monotone some days, because it's like I don't have this yeah, yeah, but so I am putting my best foot forward in that, but it's like I've still cried on my tick tocks.
Speaker 2:I've still been angry like Kristen. I asked her when we first met I'm like am I the same online that you see that you're seeing in person right now? And she said exactly exactly the same, and other people have said that too. And I'm like good because then sometimes I'm like am I being fake? Is that me?
Speaker 2:But when you're making a tick tock you're staring at yourself, so you're yeah you're not talking to someone else and trying just to put your best foot forward and and be on your ball. You're just. You are just talking to yourself. So the way you're talking is pretty natural, yeah, and like the I don't know. That's just the way I look at it, that it's like to me it's only me in the room. If Rams was in the room listening to me, it's a bit harder for me to Focus because I'm very aware someone else is listening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I need to get some food. I'm starving.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bye, lisa. Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 1:I feel like that was an abrupt cutoff. Yeah, that's okay. Bye, bye Yay.
Speaker 2:Bye.