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Navigating Identity, Resilience, and Opportunity: Powerful Stories of Transformation and Growth
We also peel back the layers of Simon's motivational journey, driven by a deep need for validation stemming from growing up fatherless. Discover how Simon's philosophy of embracing opportunities and refusing to see himself as a victim has propelled him forward. Coupled with Michael Long’s incredible transformation from a career criminal to a successful entrepreneur, this episode underscores the significance of resilience, guidance, and the power of proactive effort. Michael and Simon's reconnection years after their last encounter becomes a lesson in forgiveness and the untapped potential within everyone.
In the final segment, we get practical with advice on managing risk and staying safe, featuring Simon's expertise in situational awareness and preparedness. Learn the strategic approaches he employs in his business, such as outsourcing administrative tasks to focus on growth. Simon's personal anecdotes on parenting, teaching the values of compassion and gratitude, round out the episode, leaving you inspired to seize opportunities and strive for greatness. Tune in for an engaging episode filled with powerful stories and actionable insights that can help you become the best version of yourself.
so good morning simon. Thank you so much for joining us at the daily brag. How are you? How's it going?
Speaker 2:to shape, really excited to join you. We've been looking forward to this conversation all week, so I'm excited to share some knowledge and wisdom with your listeners.
Speaker 1:Thank you simon, thank you so much. Yeah, so you know, simon, um, one of the things that, as I was listening to your podcast, who I've had a similar experience with regard to when you move to America and you realize, like race relations, right, um, people would treat you a lot different than you know, knowing that you were English, than if they when, then, when they thought you were African-American. So tell me about that experience because, again, I I have similar experiences and I'll tell you about that after you. Tell me about that experience yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:So that gentleman was Isaac Harvey from my podcast, who is over in the UK and England. And I'll start off to say, just giving your listeners a little bit of background. So I am, my dad is black Nigerian, my mum is. You know, part of my journey is that I've never met my dad, my parents separated. Before I was born, I lived in a very you know, we're from very humble background. You know single parents of low income, but I've always lived in quite affluent areas.
Speaker 2:I think England as a whole Deshae, as the world knows, you know, and America knows, you know, we've colonized and taken over numerous countries. It's what england has done. You know those great britains of the past I think the great was in there because they were very great at colonization. It's what we're known for. So, yeah, yes, there's racism in england, but we are a big melting pot and I believe that, um, we're more accepted because your ethnicity in england than what you are in the us, I think, particularly where race relations are going right now. I think everyone would say that. So I mean that's a bit of my journey that I would share with your listeners before I answer this question. And then the second thing that I learned is that you know there's talk about and I don't want to really railroad your podcast to shame, but there's this talk about white privilege and what does it mean? Your podcast to shame it, as it's all about white privilege and what does it mean? And I can say as a black man in America, from England, what I have seen and what I've been blessed with is that I have had privilege because of my heritage, of being English, and it's my belief.
Speaker 2:When I interact with people, they see me as British first, they see me as black second, which means that when I interact with law enforcement and they say license and registration, uh, if there is any prejudice in there, if there is any stereotypes, as soon as I say good morning officer, um, how can I help you today? Straight away, but they, I get this startled look in their eyes and I'm like, yes, you weren't expecting this black, middle classclass England guy to be talking to you today, you know. And then they become then fascinated and they're almost like in a trance around and how, how you're here? And that's just one example of the police.
Speaker 2:But I see that even when I go to like a coffee shop, you know people. They might outwardly see me in a way. And then when I say, you know, good morning, can I have a sort of a chai tea latte? And here's my number, you know they're noticing I'm saying h, you know, and I'm saying these key words, and it really changes their the way they look at. So, yeah, I do know for a fact as a black man with a British accent, I am perceived very differently than what a lot of African Americans are, and I see that in my daily, daily life to show.
Speaker 1:Here's the reason I asked you that question when? Because when I heard it, I connected with it right away. Um, and you? You don't know this, but I'm I'm actually from the island of st kids, which were overruled, which were taken over by the british power power to great britain.
Speaker 1:Welcome, right, you're part of us part of a common, exactly so. So my grandfather is actually from london, but when I um got to this country, um, I was a teenager. Well, when I became a teenager and I would start to tell people yeah, you know, because I lost my accent pretty early on anyway so when I would tell people I am a west indian, I got a very different way of people treating me than before. They knew I was West Indian. So it's just really interesting. Now, did you find that opened up any opportunity for you on the business level?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, I'm not going to I'm not going to make any bones about it to say absolutely. So here's one thing that I believe that you have to do is that you know, I recently released on my youtube video a video about comparison. You know, when we try to compare ourselves to others, it's because we want to be like them. But the biggest thing you can do with comparison is reach it with admiration as into creating your own journey, doing your own greatness and being the best version of yourself. That's all we can do, because when we try to compare ourselves to others, we want to be them and then we become them. We become like everyone else, yeah, and you don't want to be like everyone else, you want to be you. So I very much use. You know my background as a former uk police detective, my education, my skills, my experiences. You know my accent. I know that I've been booked before for public speaking just because they wanted to listen to this english guy talk for 30 minutes.
Speaker 2:Um, so I I think, yeah, you have to use your gifts to to your advantage. Um I think that's definitely something that we all need to do in life is not look outwardly as to what I don't have, but what do I do have. That can help me continue to grow, and for me, that is my English accent and my colour, being here in the US at a time when race relations is key. So, yeah, I'm going to you know I'm going to.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to be me and let society decide what bucket they put me in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no because there's an argument to shave as an argument but you could say that I'm actually more white than I'm black. And I'm not talking about always people calling me an oreo cookie or a bounty bar we have in england. But you know, my my mom's side of the family is, uh, white caucasian until my dad came along. So as much as the world sees me as a black man, you know 50% of my DNA is actually white Caucasian. So as a mixed race man I can say am I white or am I black? You know society labels us, but anyway, I don't know if you want to go down this rabbit hole, but-.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:We're going down it to show you, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Let's, we're going down it to show you. Let's get into it, let's get into it. Yeah, does that make sense? It totally makes sense. And and one of the questions I have for you is you mentioned that as a police officer in london and england that, um, you would get that more from the black, uh, english people about the oreo, or or I think you said bounty at one point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, call you bounty yeah, do you have bounty in the us? So bounty is like a white coconut inside and chocolate on the outside, so that's very similar to the Oreo cookie. They're referring to your white inside and black outside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so do you have that same experience here in the US, where you get more blacks, black American or just blacks from anywhere, labeling you as the Oreo or something like that, like that? I mean, you're not in law enforcement anymore, so do you have that same experience still?
Speaker 2:yeah, here's a weird thing. I'll give you an example that comes to mind. So you know, when I served in the police, I did 14 years as a detective in england and everyone says you know you do it to serve and protect and I generally believe that you don't become a police officer for the money. I'll tell you to say they're some of the worst underpaid people out there. When you look at hours and debt for responsibility, that's for sure. I think the public need to remember that, that they're doing that because they feel called um. You know they're certainly not doing it for the compensation. There's 100 more jobs they could do for a better, better pay.
Speaker 2:But I did find that going into it into the uk trying to help people and people of ethnicity. But, yes, sometimes they would throw it back at me that we know you're just a traitor, you know you're, you're this bounty or you're you're, you're joining them. Well, I have been a great believer, I think, all through my life. To say is, the way to change the system is from the inside out. I've, you know I sort of shared that. You know I've never met my father. I mean, I lived in humble backgrounds. I've never considered myself a victim. It's how do I change the system?
Speaker 2:And so, interestingly, the experience I've had here in the US is, you know I am a Christian, you know I do a lot of work to help Christian organizations and people less fortunate than myself, and I was working at a homeless shelter and feeding the homeless and it was very much this sort of I get the impression and I know it was a bit of them and us, because we're serving food. You know, you've got a spatula, you're serving food. Yeah, but I can tell you to say what was interesting to me and actually my wife picked up on this as well is that the people that found it hard were people of color that were being served food by another black person who is being perceived as successful, and I could just tell in their demeanor and comments that were made to me is that they found it challenging that there was a black man that was serving them, them food, you know.
Speaker 2:So it yeah there were so many facets to it, but it really did. That really struck me. Like I said, my wife identified that more than me that I was getting a lot of criticism when I was there to help people and it was really because they just didn't feel comfortable. You know, a successful black man was then serving them food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fascinating, that's interesting. Yeah, so Simon, black man was then serving them food. Yeah, fascinating. Well, that's interesting. Yeah, um, so, simon, you've had a lot of like. You were a police officer for 14 years. Uh, you became a police officer in london when you were just 19 and then at 30 you became an investigator. Um, from being an investigator, uh. You then went into owning real estate and you had a real estate portfolio. You moved to the United States where you were, I guess, the head of investigations or security for.
Speaker 2:Wall of America. Yeah, head accountant. So actually I don't need to pick up on this. I don't need people to think I've got an ego, but I was actually a detective at 23. So I mean, that was yeah, yeah so. I joined at 19, detective at 23. And then, when I emigrated here in 2011, I was head of counterterrorism at Mall of America in Minnesota, which is one of the Midwest's largest pieces of infrastructure. So I think I've always had a great depth of responsibility to share. But yeah, that's the timeline.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So you've done all this and through your career, you know, with all those numerous roles and all these opportunities and I'm going to put it in the context of being black Right what, what are some of the things that you think provided you those opportunities and what motivated you most of all?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's really weird, but I'll do your last question, the second part first. I think I mean what motivates me, and I discovered this most probably. I'm just turned 43, so 43 this year, and it was mostly around 10 years ago that I really discovered what truly motivates me, and it's going to get a little bit deep for your listeners, that's good, let's get deep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get deep in here.
Speaker 2:So what I discovered is that if you set Simon a goal so I talk about myself in the third party you set me a goal, I'm working that goal, and then I'm working the next goal, and then there's the next goal and there's the next one. I'm a very driven. I think people call me a high achiever. I don't really know what that means, but that's what people have used about me before. But here's what I've learned about myself is that, growing up without a father, there was this need and desire to be wanted and to feel validated, and that came from a man that wasn't in my life and has never been in my life, and I believe since learned that he's passed so he can't be there.
Speaker 2:So, I've always needed that acceptance which has caused me to be very, very driven, because I want to prove to that man who might knock my door one day and say I'm your father. Hey, you know, screw you, I'm successful. Now, what do you want me for? Look at everything that I've achieved without you and I think deep down inside of me there's still a scared little boy that is waiting for that man to knock the door and for me to deliver that acceptance speech. As in you know, I need to sort of feel validated and sort of tell you and I get a bit emotional, I'm tenuous to say, but I think that is truly what my drive is. So I think my drive is one of my greatest gifts, but it's also my Achilles' heel. But I know what I've learned as a man is that's why I do all these things. So that's sort of the drive. And then, because I got a little bit emotional in there, what was the first part of your question? The other part?
Speaker 1:was just just as being um, you know, a black male and getting those opportunities. Uh, you know, I get the drive part, and that's an amazing story, simon. So the the opportunities, you know, having the drive is one thing, but then you can have the drive and, as I know, part of the reason I started the Daily Brag is seeing my complexion and how that didn't provide the best opportunities for me. Let me put it that way. So what do you think worked for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's a great question as well, and I'm glad you remember it because it clearly fallen out of my mind.
Speaker 2:But I think for me there's two things the world and society and my upbringing might see me as a victim.
Speaker 2:They might see me as someone who's had struggles and I have had struggles, for sure, from, you know, being at school and in education but I've never considered myself a victim, you know, I'm not a victim of circumstance. And then the second thing I would say is that I truly believe that life is about placing yourself in windows of opportunity. So I'll say that again life is about placing yourself in windows of opportunity, and what I mean by that is that if you work hard, if you build the consistency, if you look to grow, if you look to challenge yourself, if you look to develop into something new or aspire for greatness, if you keep placing yourself in different windows of opportunities, those, the results come. The results, true, truly come. I mean you look about people, about youtube channels, podcasts. Well, whatever it is, you know it's find your niche, work hard and and wait for the results. But it's about placing yourself in windows of opportunities and not seeing yourself as a victim I never say why didn't this happen?
Speaker 2:I say let's make this happen. People see the barriers, they see the hurdles to entry. I see the outcome. You know we can go. If you go to this location, you're going to get this. You know, amazing seminar and it's free. All they want at the end of it is your email address or they're going to bog you down with these telephone calls trying to say you something, and friends will say, yeah, I don't know, they'll just go. Yeah, there's going to be all this stuff afterwards. Yeah, but they're going to give you a free, eight-hour lecture about this subject. All you have to do is go through it and then give your email and they'll try and sell you something. You know they're seeing the solution. There's growth at the end of this, there's in the barrier in there.
Speaker 1:So I think those are some of the things that I I live by to show if that resonates, it does, and I will say that I'm one of those people that will sign up. And then, uh, after I've gotten what I needed, I'll just spam everything. Just put everything in the spam folder. Yes, yeah, yeah you have to.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you, you gotta, you gotta fight for things that you want. I mean, I'll give'll give you an example. There was one time I was in England, I was due to fly to the US and actually I washed my passport in the washing machine and it was like two days before I was going to fly and a lot of it was before the chip technology, so it was an old-fashioned. You know it's going to take them a week to get it back and I did everything possible. You know, I went there like four o'clock in the morning, queued to try and get my new passport. They said no, you know. I then did this expedited application. You know everything possible. I pushed, and, pushed, and pushed and I think that is what allows me to be successful. It's the sort of the templates that I put in place to place myself in a window of opportunity, not be a victim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing, simon. So just kind of going back, to come back a little bit, uh, I'm gonna go backwards, move forward a little bit. So you told you told us a story about um, not having that father figure uh there for you now I know you talked about your mom and she adopted all that. She was a foster mom as well, so you have all the siblings uh from foster care, um, and you guys grew up in the now. Did you have? Was there ever a time that a male figure came into your life that you looked up to at any point?
Speaker 2:no, I'd say that the male figure, father figure, was me. I was telling someone this the other day about you know my diy is bodged, but I think that's why I went into real estate is I got very used to. You know something breaks, you're the person that does it. You know you've got to fix this thing. So never, you know, my mum never remarried. She was dedicated to you know, me and my two sisters, and then she had a kids in her time. Wow, you know, providing them inspiration. So incredible, incredible woman. Um, but it wasn't until actually my. Here's a story I'll tell you. It wasn't till my time in the police, but I didn't. I've never really had. I've got friends now that I look up to, but I've never had a father figure. But here's an interesting story. It's a time in the police where I did an application and this is how I became a detective at 23.
Speaker 2:So this is a great story. I'd applied for a firearms position and I was actually I wasn't at the station at the time the police station and the senior leader of that police station was out for that day and he needed to sign off on all these different applications. You needed like sort of senior leader approval station was out for that day and he needed to sign off on all these different applications. You needed like sort of senior leader approval and the detective chief superintendent which is incredibly high in British law enforcement position Um, because the senior leader wasn't there, he had to sign off on this application for me to join the firearms. His name was Melvin Young. I never really give him enough props, but he called me one day and I was off site somewhere I can't remember when it was and he said Simon, I've seen your application. But he said I don't want you to go in that direction. And I said well, what do you mean, sir? With respect, this is my career, this is with respect. You know, this is this is my career, this is what I want to do, right? And and he said um, you know, he said I think you should become a detective. You've got all the traits. You've got all the attributes. You're a very good investigator. I hear all these good things about you. You know, I, like you, have all these skills, um, and I said, you know, yeah, thank you, um, sir, you know, but if you just kindly sign off on my application, that would be, that'd be good. Um, and? And he did.
Speaker 2:And then a couple of days later, the detective application was about to close and my senior officer at the time came to me and said Simon, have you applied for the detective position? And I said no, and he said Simon, he said when a senior leader tells you to do something, he's not asking you, he's telling you. I was like, oh, okay, okay. And so there's two things that did there, that happened. There is one that was the right decision for me to take. Okay, but what it also showed me, which is what I sometimes long for in my life and try and impose on my sons, is that melvin young that's the detective chief superintendent he saw something in me that I didn't even see in myself. You know, he saw, he saw the drive, he saw my aptitude for the work, he saw my ability, he saw my skills, you know he saw my communication, he saw everything about me that I hadn't seen myself.
Speaker 2:So I've never had a father figure in my life. But you know, I'm a man of faith. Definitely the Lord has put key people in my life that have changed the course of it because without that phone call from him that he didn't need to make, to say I see something in you, don't see yourself, go this path. Um, I wouldn't be doing the things that I am today to say and I wouldn't be the man that I am. Perhaps I might not have even be be sat here talking to you in America.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, yeah, I feel like there's always that one person that have a really big change on your life, because I know as a teenager the direction I was going, and it took a gentleman by the name of Teddy Van, who I met in a recording studio of all places, and I'll say this I had a few different people had I you know, um, I had a few different people in my life at the time, but this particular gentleman really changed the direction I was going. So it always there's always that one person. Um, so do you still? Do you still have, uh, your real estate portfolio, or what happened with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I sort of um do and I don't't. So I mean I do still have some property in the UK and I just have my personal house here in the US, so I don't do it as much, but it's one of my actual. One of my goals next year is to get back into real estate. I've always been very successful being a real estate investor. I've always been very successful being a landlord, and I think part of that, deshae, was because of communication. I used to run I think the most I had at one time was five or six. I would be the landlord myself, I would be the management, so I would interact with people and really my tenants became friends. They're still people that rented from me 15 years ago that are in my phone here in here in the U S. So yeah, it's um, uh, I was very successful of it. It's a goal of mine to to get back to, but yeah, it's a lesson portfolio these days.
Speaker 1:Simon, there's so many followup questions I have but, but I want to ask something. I about something you just said with you know, you seem to be someone who maintains your relationships. Now you've even done that with one of your arch enemies, right?
Speaker 2:uh, michael long, tell me about that, yeah well, and I think one thing I have to say to people as well is that people want to be successful and it's and it's like well, what is success? How do you define success? I mean, how do you define wealth? I've got a lot of friends that are high net worth. They're rich. There's a couple of them I wouldn't say they're wealthy, because they're troubled in life, they don't have families. You know, they haven't done things, so yeah it's really hard for that aspect.
Speaker 2:but yeah, I think, um, you know, second chances is my probably the Michael Long? Um story. There was a time when I was at a detective um, that my arch eminent, my arch enemy and nemesis, a career criminal, uh, former career criminal by my name, of michael long, um, your listeners should know that as a detective, I did everything possible and put this man in prison for five years. Um, but but interestingly, when I was interacting with michael long similar to the to the Melvin Young story that I just told you, I saw something in him that perhaps he couldn't see in himself. I think, deep down, you look at all my stuff, my drive, whatever it is, you know I'm, I'm entrepreneurial. Deep down, you know I'm, I'm a risk taker and around business, um, you know you don't want to take too many risks in your personal life, but around business, you, you know risk is a key part of an entrepreneur, right? And I think even back at that time with Michael Long, I think I saw something in him that he didn't see in himself, thinking, wow, if this guy could only stop doing crime and do do financial crimes and create a company or create an organization or develop a product. He could be successful without the crime, but you know what's sort of driving him. And you're right, you know I put him in prison. This was in 2003. I left the police in 2011.
Speaker 2:And then in 2016, a friend of mine rang me and said you know this, michael Long is out of prison. He's turned to Christ. He's doing this work for charity. You know, he's back at it again. And I said what's he back at? And he said well, he's back at it again. Well, you know, he is my nemesis.
Speaker 2:So I looked him up on the internet, saw research, and I was like I couldn't see where the angle was to Shay. I'm like, well, there's not too much, because the homeless are those sort of looked down upon. You know, it's really challenging. So I decided to ring him up, found his number online because I'm an ex-detective after all and I rang him and said you know, is that Michael Long? He said yes, I knew his voice anyway. And I said do you? You might not remember me, but my name is Simon Osmer. I put you in prison for five years. He said yeah, I definitely remember you, and a few other expletives I won't repeat on your show. And I said well, michael, I said I'm just ringing to say well done, but I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2:It looks like you finally turned your life away. And, to cut a long story short, this year, you know he broke down. We had a great conversation and instantly as I hung up the phone, he texts me and his message was very simple and he said you know, simon, can you forgive me? And I text back and said Michael, you know you're already forgiven, you know, but just know that I'm here for you. And over the preceding weeks and months we had several conversations and one of those conversations was about a book that he wrote when he was in prison and I believe you know he's never, never released the book, but I think it was called there is a way out, something like that okay and he said can you proofread this book for me to share?
Speaker 2:and I said I can do, but I'm a police officer. You're assuming that I'm intelligent here and can read and write and stuff. You know, it's like a crayon, is how I normally write. Yeah, and I got the book document he sent, sent me the draft and opened it and on the first page it said something like this to shay so this is a career criminal, spent 20 plus years in and out of incarceration. And the line in his book said all I ever wanted was to feel validated and accepted by a father and that never came.
Speaker 1:And then then, boom, you know, it hit me there.
Speaker 2:That was the relevance and the connection to me and him all those years is that I was very similar to him but no one had placed faith in me, no one really believed in me and there was no one there guiding my life.
Speaker 2:So, you know, I hope and pray that he can stay on the straight and narrow you know, and there's some people that still now don't believe stay on the straight and narrow um, you know, and and there's some people that still now don't believe. All I know is that I'm committed to being on the end of the phone if he needs it and help guide him, because that's often what people need in life. He'll have to make his own decisions, yeah, but I've made the decision that I'll do what I can on my experiences and my life lessons to help guide him and be that sort of authority that I think a lot of men are missing. So it's a long story to share, but hopefully, I love the stories.
Speaker 1:You've got a great story there, simon. So now you wrote two books on security and because you, you know, you ran a security Kingswood security and it was mainly dedicated to securing churches and making sure that they're safe, was there a particular incident that happened where you focused your energy on creating the security company? Tell me about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great, and that was what I consider to be a God prompting. So here's what happened Lifelong Christian drifted in and out of faith. I don't want to betray the image that Simon's perfect. I am far from it. I'm broken like the next person.
Speaker 2:But in 2013, I'd actually been to Disney to speak at a conference about security and it was a sports conference. There were people from American football, hockey, basketball all these different security directors from the large sports teams were there, and it was at one of Disney's flagship hotels and I spoke to around 300 industry experts and peers like mine and I came back and then the first text message I received was from a police officer in a local town close to me and said simon, can you come to this church and teach them some wisdom about sort of safety and security suspicious behavior? It's like, well, I can do, I'm a christian, but I haven't really sort of worked in churches before. Yeah, and to show you, I got my pa. You know I built a presentation, I did all this stuff. You know put it on the slide deck. You know went to this church one Wednesday it was like 7.30, and there was like a room full of like 40 people you know old ladies, so 70, 80 years old, and bear in mind, I'd just come back from Disney, talking to people from the, you know NHL, you know NBA and all this type of stuff, and I thought, okay, they don't need this glossy presentation, I'm just going to put it down here. And I just spoke to them for like 30, 40 minutes about safety and security and I noticed two things that day One I had a strong calling to help those people and fight for the underdog which is what I've done most of my life that don't have the time, money, resources or skills.
Speaker 2:And second, there's a great need across non-profits, around safety and security. There's a great opportunity and really from there, other people then came to me. You know one church, one non-profit organization and that's sort of how kingswood security really developed. So you know we do do for-profit work, but 90 percent of it is in that non-profit arena because we know the culture and the heart of the organization very well. Most people are trying to keep the bad person out. Nonprofit organizations know they have that brokenness and they want to help try to manage that risk. So it's where I sort of built a specialization in it. Amazing, simon.
Speaker 1:So now you've been a detective police officer, real estate, You've worked at Wells Fargo. Now, what did you do at Wells Fargo?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that is in around risk management. Again, everything that I've done in safety and security is all risk management. It's all problem solving, deshae. So it's looking at sort of anti-money laundering. So it's looking at sort of anti-money laundering, you know, sort of financial risk which can have a sort of effect on reputation and sort of banks finances. So everything in that world is all risk management. Safety and security to me are underneath the umbrella of risk management. There is risk in our daily lives. How do we manage that risk? That's really what I've become a sort of a specialization in is risk management, risk management.
Speaker 1:Okay, got it, and so are you now, do you still? It sounds like you still run the security company. Is that your day-to-day or correct?
Speaker 2:yes, so kingswood is still much, um, very, very operating. I have also an online platform. So what I discovered a few years ago is that, being a sort of solo entrepreneur, you can't be everywhere. So I also and again, because a lot of my focus is around non-profits house of worship I also have what I call the Netflix of safety and security, which is it's a video library of around I think it's about 150 videos, 40, 50 hours of materials where people can subscribe and they can get access to all the safety videos in there, and it's geared towards non-profits, but it's things that is applicable in everyone's life, about dealing with suspicious behavior, conversational interviewing, you know sort of threat management, active shooter, run, hide, fight. There's just a lot of awareness in there that most people need in today's world to stay safe.
Speaker 1:So that's the Worship Security Association. I would say now is a good time. Yeah, I was going to say now is a good time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's good towards churches, but anyone could jump on there and learn, because I mean above all else, you know we've got to stay safe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one of the things I wanted to ask you with regards so, if I'm out with my family, um, and I, you know I haven't had a chance to read the books that you've written, um, but shame on you to shame, shame on you I.
Speaker 2:I promise that I will send you some copies it's an interesting topic to me.
Speaker 1:Um, if I'm out and not, not well, specifically, this is about churches but if I'm just out, what are some suspicious behavior um I should look for? Or anyone out there, what are some suspicious behaviors you would say these are suspicious behaviors you should look for and get out of there or take action.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the first thing that I would often excuse me. The first thing that I would say is around understanding who you are, and what I mean by that is that life is about templates. You know, familiarity breeds content. It really does. The more you do something, the more complacent you become. And around safety and security, you don't want that.
Speaker 2:So simple things about where do you position yourself in a restaurant. I never let a hostess seat me at a restaurant. I tell them where I want to sit and I want to sit by the kitchen because I know there's a door going outside. I want to be able to see the window so I can see every person that comes in. Um, so, and and here's something that I would say that everyone has and reason why we have that complacency familiarity breeds content. And then you become complacent is that, no matter how you believe we're here. I believe in in a higher power. Some people don't believe in that, but we are here and we have emotions and feelings, and the biggest thing to say that we do around not staying safe is that we suppress those emotions and feelings and we don't listen to them. If you're going somewhere and you're talking to someone and the hairs stand up on the back of your neck. That is your body telling you that they don't feel um good in this situation.
Speaker 2:You know if your mouth starts to dry, you know if your heart starts beating faster, if something just doesn't feel right. The first one is always rely on your instinct for things that look out of place and then take action from that. The biggest issue that you find is people then push it down. Oh, it looks like it could be this, but it can't be that that person's not doing this. You know it looks like it could be this, but no, it can't be that. You know that person surely isn't doing this. You've really got to trust your instinct for things that look out of place.
Speaker 2:And then the second thing that I would say is suspicious behavior generally starts with the breaking of social boundaries. So if you imagine your environment, if you know what the social boundaries are of your environment, you then go looking for the behaviors that fall outside of that. So there's numerous different ways that you can look at that, but so, uh, suspicious behavior generally starts with the breaking of social boundaries. That's your baseline. Then, when you see behaviors outside of that norm, that's where you know I need to pay more attention to what is going. What is going on here?
Speaker 1:just a couple of quick things, thank you, thank that. Well, that would help a lot. So I just and I'm going to share a quick story with you as well. So, because when I was a teenage, well, I started going to the clubs pretty young. But when I was going to the clubs I remember a friend of mine said oh, we're gonna go hang out at this this. This party said, all right, it's not fine, I'll go. And he says, oh, yeah, you've got to make sure you you take a knife or something like that. The point was he wanted me to take a weapon. I said why? Well, because it could get crazy there. I said so if I'm going to a party where I need to have a weapon, why would I go to that party? So I never went, but just just um.
Speaker 2:Well, and that is that story you've told there um to shave. That is risk management, you know. You see there's a risk. The management is I'm not going to go. So how do you stay safe in this world? There is no safe. You can wrap yourself up in cotton wool and stay in your home and something bad can still happen for you. But it's being consistent in your approach. But when you see that danger, you take action and the biggest thing that you can do is remove yourself from that situation, which is exactly what you did on that time. Why go to a club where you know there's violence, there's people carrying weapons? Because there's a risk that someone could you could be the victim that night. So if I don't go, I'll go to another club. You know you're managing that risk, you're staying, staying safe. But people just tend to say, oh well, okay, well, let's, let's go to the club. Then I know there's a bad reputation, it's not.
Speaker 2:No, you've got to do these things to stay, stay safe if ever you hear to shave it something's happened to me, you'll say luck wasn't on simon's side. It won't be because of anything that simon's done, because you know I'll see the danger and take action and take it would just be lady luck.
Speaker 1:Well, hopefully that's never the case. So now you've. So you've built this business um the security business, which is still what you run. You still run that business yes what is it? Where did you start? Let's talk about the start of your security company, right, and did you get funding for it? Did you fund it yourself?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, and I think one of the things tying into who I am is that I'm very good at you know, I sort of said about. There's some people that see the problems, the obstacles, the roadblocks. I see the outcome.
Speaker 2:I've learned that I'm very good at strategy and execution, and the execution is taking action, which is what a lot of serious solo entrepreneurs get stuck on a lot of people in their daily lives get stuck on is yeah, it's good to have this, nice, I can sell you a nice, fluffy, 200 page report about everything you need to do, but if you can't execute, um, you know you're not going to go anywhere. So so, kings, with security, everything that I do is is self-grown, and I saw a need in the market to have a security consultancy which has the fundamentals of a personality like mine. You know, I am. It's like anything. It's hard to try and remove yourself from the business, but it's based on some of the teachings and things I've been telling you. You know, we, we want to come alongside you and instill the life lessons on you so you can become safer. So that was the sort of that's the idea, and the heart of it is to make sure that we sell you and provide you what you need as an organization, against your, your risk, because most people are coming to us to say saying, hey, we accept this risk, it's here, but how do we best manage it? Most organizations are saying, well, yeah, push that person out, you don't need that person coming here, or this is what you need to do.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, a lot of everything was sort of created. You know, trying to build that social media strategy, you know trying to grow the company. How do you market your yourself? I mean that's marketed as me, as a brand, with a team of consultants that think like me, that have the morals and ethics of me and will help you, will mentor you and coach you to where you need to be. They're sort of two of the biggest things and I know it continues to grow.
Speaker 2:I mean, through the pandemic and even before then. One of the reasons why I created the Worship Security Association, the video library, is to reach that wider audience, because you know you get people coming in from different states and hey, I've heard this good work about you. Can you, can you sort of help? So, yeah, there was, there was no funding. Um, everything was sort of started, um, by me as the idea and I've now got sort of team of six or eight consultants that come alongside and and help me and think like me oh good, actually that was going to be my next question if you have a staff and about how many people you have on staff that you, you manage well, I'm one of the things that I've learned to show.
Speaker 2:I'm not very good of this myself. I mean, you know the solopreneur title um tends to infer and I sort of learned this recently is that you don't want to create these things for yourself, to have another job. You know you want to be able to remove yourself from the organization, from the product, whatever you've built, and for it still to run as if you're not even there. And it's the same with these podcasts to share as well. You know we've got to make sure that. You know, if you remove us as a host, is everything there in sort of place to do it.
Speaker 2:So one thing that I've definitely learned and got better at if any of you've got so many solopreneurs out there is the value in offshoring, is the value in knowing what are the skills, the gifts that you bring to the table as the brains, as the leader, as the inspirer, because it's your company. You started this idea. You should have all the fun stuff, and then what can you give to someone else? That isn't necessarily about the strategy, about growth, about meeting the clients and then really offshore that, that stuff. So, um, I have my team of consultants and what I'm building up are people behind the scenes that can support sort of entrepreneurial endeavors, removing me so I can do what I do best, that is, build those relationships, talk to client, understand their problems and help them help deliver solutions so so essentially you do a lot of outsourcing um with the for the business a lot of outsourcing on the administrative side.
Speaker 2:Yes, correct things that I don't need to do. So if you've got any listeners that are, you know, entrepreneurs and they're thinking, how am I going to keep doing a social media post every day to try and get engagement, I would challenge them and say do you need to be doing that or can you outsource it? You know how am I going to deal with a proposal when someone comes to me. You know, can you create an automated proposal or can you outsource? If you meet the client, understand what they need, someone else writes that together for you. You then review it. That then gets pushed out, you know. So it's really making sure there's a clear distinction as to what truly needs simon deshay to operate and what else can you. Can you, can you do and and there's a lot in the business that you can push out to others to get some support, because otherwise, you know, you're not going to grow and you're going to be there till two, three o'clock in the morning. You're a podcast host, you know this to shame.
Speaker 1:That's the story. That's the chat that we get stuck in, hey. So you know what, simon, that's what you talked about, like, just even with the social media piece. That's a challenge that I have because I've I'm terrible at social media. I'll admit and I say it, I even say it on clubhouse I am horrible at social media. So what am I supposed to do? But that's something that I'm looking into is just outsourcing that part, because this is where my focus should be right, not not on figuring out instagram. I just don't have the the time or energy for it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would like to learn, but yeah, and here's what, and here's one of the traps you can get into share as well. And actually I had this conversation with my wife a couple weeks ago. I mentioned it was outsourcing and for any of your female listeners you know she was just thinking, okay, how much is this going to cost? You know, she sort of rolled, rolled her eyes a little bit and I said no, no, I said bear with me. I said here's what I'm going to do. Yeah, and I said because, as, as a kid, all I wanted was that love and validation from a man. That didn't come.
Speaker 2:And now I have these things. I've got two young boys. I want to change that legacy. I want to make sure they're financially secure. They can do all these things. My youngest son did a soccer training camp with Real Madrid. If anyone knows soccer, that is huge An opportunity that I would cut both my arms off for, as a kid, to do. So you do all these things, but the biggest thing that they want is your time.
Speaker 2:And there's lessons that I've learned being a solopreneur that sometimes when you're up to two, three o'clock in the morning, you know I've re-sequenced and said you know this isn't right. I've got the model wrong here. Going back to my story, I want to change. I want to create a legacy, um, and I'm doing this two, three o'clock in the morning and my sons are coming to my office saying, dad, can you play soccer? And I'm saying, in a minute, son. It's like, oh, you know, that is, that's a dagger to dagger to the heart. So, yeah, yeah, for any, any business person, really, look at you know, what do you need to um, what do you need to be involved in and what can you, what can you outsource? It's a great way to survive and grow. And also, I think you, kai, both our mentors said this a couple weeks ago, which I've stolen from him when you go alone, you go faster.
Speaker 2:When you go with others, you go further. You know when you go alone, you go faster. When you go with others, you go further. So you, kai, thank you for allowing me to steal your quote, but it's very true.
Speaker 1:Yukai is amazing man. I just feel like you know you miss steps because when you're alone, you don't have one, you don't have the support and two, you don't have that set of a different set of eyes to look at things, right. So I feel like you know and not everyone this happens to but for the most part, you can miss steps as opposed to if you build a real solid team. And there's a book I read about that a while ago. I can't remember the name of it right off the top, but it was really good about organization and building a solid team of people. So, simon, the next thing I know that you're doing is you're writing a book about achieving greatness. Right, you talked about this book that you're working on that—and I want to read to you what I wrote down, something you said You're working on a book and how to—I think it's how to rewrite your story and the power of your story right For young people to— and show them how to achieve their greatness through their story. Can you talk a little bit more about that?
Speaker 2:yeah, and the first thing is that you often you can live your life without a script. Um, you know, there's times when I've judged myself and I'm making bad decisions. I'm doing the wrong thing, particularly in how I parent my two sons, but there's no baseline for me to really compare myself against. Which is good. That's what I say. Adversity is a gift. You can say I'm a bad father. There's no baseline. Everything I do is brilliant right now.
Speaker 2:You know, I can't say my dad never did this or did that, you know. So there's no baseline. So I think it's important to give people a bit of a roadmap. And here's one thing to share. I mean I am. You know I'm hard for some people to work out. I'm a former police officer. You know I'm a podcast host. I'm a public speaker, I'm an author, I'm a realtor. You know I got investments. Um, I um. You know I'm black in english in america. I've got to people can't work me out.
Speaker 2:But what I've learned is that I used to hide in in plain sight. You know I wouldn't tell people who I am. And you said to me, like any podcast host does you know, is there anything that you don't want to talk about? And now now I text you back and said no, you know, ask whatever you want, because there is power in my journey that can help and inspire and grow other people, and we all have that. So I think you've got to understand what is my significance, what do I bring to the world? And for part of me, is a peace and understanding of knowing who I am, and it's taken me a long time to get there. And then, once I know that. What should I do with it? And for me, it'd be a travesty if I don't share that with my two sons that are my priority, and with other young men that could be in a similar position to to me. So I think it's about rewriting the story that we have, and there was a guy that I interviewed on my podcast a few weeks ago, deshae called Akhtar Khan.
Speaker 2:He was a real estate investor from London, you know multi, multi millionaire, yeah and he said a very profound quote and he said that you can't choose the card that you are dealt in life. You can only choose how to play the game. You know you can't choose the card that you are dealt in life. You can only choose how to play the game. You know you can't choose the card you're dealt in life. You can only choose how to play the game. So I just feel such a calling to be open up my life to try and help other young men that could be in a similar circumstance to me, to grow to know that you know you can be significant, you know you can live this purposeful life, but there's a few things that you need to, you need to do.
Speaker 2:So that's that's a little bit about what that project is on, and I'm in the throes of sort of building all the data for that. As to what other sort of top five or six key key lessons I feel that someone should should know in their life who's perhaps come through some type of adversity, struggle or hardship in life that's amazing.
Speaker 1:I love that quote and I saw that um, uh on that interview. So just going back a little bit because it plays into this so you had an experience as a police officer. It seems like a very traumatic experience where you held this lady in your arms who were, uh, you know, taking her last, her final breath and one of your one. I guess one of the awakening moments for you was that you know, you saw that we only have one chance to do this thing called life. There's not a we don't get a second chance now. Is that something? Is that something that plays over in your head as a reminder of that to this day? Or how does that play into your life today, with, with that moment, um of of seeing things as you know, that we only I only have this moment to do what I want to do in life?
Speaker 2:yeah and um, and that's great that you ring and it's funny. Every time I talk about this story I get goosebumps. I'm looking down at my hand now you know, and I'll just tell your listeners. A very highlight of it is that I was a young, 21 year old police officer and a woman's life was taken and I was there at a point when, when she passed, passed away, and all I could do was sort of stroke her hair as the woman. The woman passed and you know it wasn't her choice. Her life was taken from her, taken from her, and there was a couple of things in that moment to share. Is that one? I? I realized the depth of responsibility that came from being the last person that she saw. You know this is a a strange 21 year old is the last person to to that she spoke to that. I'm sure no one likes to think about what your final moment looks like. I'm sure for her that was never it as in this young black kid looking over um, you know.
Speaker 2:But what I did in that moment was try to let her know that you know it's okay, um, and you know, I'm sure, that she lived a full life. So that taught me to have, um, no, not so much, no regrets. But, like you said, that there is no do-over. This is this life. You know, we only get one shot at it. And then, in that final moment, even as a 21 year old, I was thinking this. Even in that final moment, I don't want to be lying there thinking I wish I'd done this.
Speaker 2:I wish I'd said this and it took a long time to process it, and I can tell you now some of you might disagree with this statement even at 43, I will lie in my deathbed with no regrets because of how that changed my life, thinking but there could be a few things I might do differently, but I won't regret anything. There's ways I would have lived my life differently, but I won't regret saying I didn't try, didn't get started and that was all I was. That's why I say that adversity is a gift. Some people would feel that was a death responsibility to be placed on a 21 year old, and it was. But it opened my eyes to to life and it's changed me in a profound way to to the better wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:So wow, let's go to a lighter story story. So, having those experiences, simon, you know not having your dad there um having that experience is it?
Speaker 2:is this a lighter story to share?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna transition there. I'm joking. I'm joking, I know, but so, having these experiences, um, and now you have two young boys of your own and, by the way, I saw that your son is you have.
Speaker 2:Your oldest is about seven or that's my oldest is 10 and my youngest is seven. My oldest is camera shy, so you won't see him on social media too much, but for youngsters like me he's an extrovert, so he's all over it.
Speaker 1:Good, good. Yeah, my son is the same age as you're, so we've had those two around the same time, um, so the question here is what are some of the life lessons that you're teaching them?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's a great based on these experiences, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think the life lessons um the biggest one you know. I had to apologize to my son um yesterday because it is at his soccer game. I was cheering too loudly and too aggressively.
Speaker 1:By all accounts I do it every day, yeah, and, and even this morning before we did this podcast you know, he's going off to this real madrid training camp that he's in, okay, um.
Speaker 2:And I went to him and said you know I'm sorry for shouting loudly, you know, if I embarrassed you. I said it's because I want the best for you. I said at your your next game. I said I'll try not to do that and for me it came from a good place. But what I'm teaching him on trying to is it's okay to admit when you're wrong and it's okay to share your emotions, rather than.
Speaker 2:You know, we could have just walked past each other at the breakfast table or passed at the breakfast table and not said anything, but I choose, or chose to address it with him and say you know, I'm sorry. You know I clearly um, you know your mom says you don't like it when I'm shouting and screaming. You give me directions. It confuses you. You know your coach doesn't like it, so I'm sorry, you know, I'll work hard not to do it again. You know, with my fingers crossed, yeah, and so. So I think that's the biggest one is to hold those, those moments, be authentic and have those conversations that we don't necessarily want to have, um. So I think that's one of the the first rules. And then the second rule is that, you know, when I grew up to shay, you know, I I lived in, I shared a bedroom with, um, my two brothers that are adopted, um, but and I only give adopted for context and really my brothers, and then I've got a foster brother who had disabilities, so there's four of us in a bedroom, you know. So we're very, very humble backgrounds. I give that to give context. Okay, my mum never owned a home. We lived in sort of what you call social housing here in america.
Speaker 2:Um, but fast forward my life. Um, you know, I own still own multiple homes. Um, I'm quite financially secure. Um, you know, I've got a classic car that I drive around in. Um, you know, I've never had a garage before but I've got a classic car that I drive around in. I've never had a garage before but I've got a three-car garage, a large house. So I've got those nice things in life that people want to aspire to do. Whenever I have a delivery to Shay, people come around the house and say, oh, this is a beautiful house. I say it is, but sit down, I'm going to tell you about hard work to get there and stuff.
Speaker 2:So the reason why I say that story is because the second key thing that I tell my sons is they need to be grateful for what they have. Say thank you for what you have. Don't focus on what you don't have, because there's always going to be someone that's got more than us. You know, we are very blessed people. You have more opportunities than I ever had, and be thankful for what you have and be very respectful of what you have. More opportunities than I ever had and be thankful for what you have and be very respectful of what you have. And only me and my son.
Speaker 2:Yesterday, when we're driving to his soccer camp, I keep like these little bags in my car for homeless people. There was someone at the side of the road that was homeless and it just has like a toothbrush in there, some toothpaste, some like chewing gum and a couple of Starbursts as energy. You know we hand them these bags. You know my son will always say you know, are you going to hand them a bag, dad? And it's yes, we will, because the reason they're less fortunate than us, it doesn't matter the story why that person is homeless. What matters is that no one deserves to live that style of life, you know, and sort of that's what I said to my son. Yes, it's very much with the two biggest um things.
Speaker 1:Definitely for sure as to where I have, where I am in my, in my life, is have open conversations and dialogue and be very grateful for what you have, because there's people that are less fortunate than you yeah, that's and and that's something I I constantly uh try to, you know, teach my son as well is, you know, no matter what you get, just always remember to be grateful for it, because there's people out there who's way less fortunate, and I promised him that I'm going to start. You know, he has so many toys. I'm like you're going to start giving them away to kids who's less, a little less privileged than you, because you don't need all this stuff that you have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So now, simon, you are clearly you know, no matter what the situation is with you or were with you when you were growing up, no matter what your experiences were, you are one. Your story with Michael Long, you share that with you know. The story of your kids, you share that with you. Know, in so many different interactions with people, as far as even with your past tenants still being in contact with them, those are not things that come naturally to most people, and the fact that you have it within you, I believe that's something I wasn't necessarily born with.
Speaker 1:I think some of the stuff you learn as you go along.
Speaker 1:For you, you've achieved a lot of great things and you know my show is about achieving greatness right and teaching others how to achieve greatness.
Speaker 1:So to summarize it all is, what would be your best advice to anyone that would like to be on the path of greatness, and how would you tell them in layman's I guess how to achieve their greatness? Because I always tell people and I say it on even Clubhouse, like the reason I'm doing this is because a lot of people in my situation as a kid, or in your situation as kids, they didn't have anyone there. I was lucky to have a teddy van available, um, I was lucky to have an uncle who was, I guess, two of the most brilliant people I've ever met, and, um, uh, right, and so you had that one individual that changed, that changed kind of the trajectory of where you wanted to be to where he wanted you to go, um, and so how would you summarize achieving greatness, uh, to anyone out there who's listening and they, they, they're impressed by your story, but they just feel like they, they can't, they don't, they don't know how to get there yeah, and that's a great question.
Speaker 2:I can come straight back because it's in my mind seize the opportunity, seize the opportunity, you Seize the opportunity. You know there is opportunity wherever you are. Seize the opportunity. The second thing that I would say to share is that we've spoken a lot about my journey and my successes, but there's been many, many, many failures in my life, which you don't necessarily share too much, too openly, but in those failures I think it was Einstein that said adversity introduces a man to himself your greatest learning will come when you fail, and if you don't try or sorry, if you don't fail you're not even trying. You know, if you don't fail, you're not even trying. So I think, seize the opportunity, and there's going to be failures, failures, but you're going to learn the most about yourself in those failures. You've got to pick yourself up and then and then do it and then, just, you know, always focus on what is the end goal. What is it I want to achieve here? What do I want my life to to look like? But it's yeah, but those, those are the things that I would say seize the opportunity and you're going to fail, and that's okay, but you've got to try. Even you know, deshae, with your son, I'm sure he's like I can't do this. He's like, well, try, just give the effort and see what you can do. Because I can tell you, deshae, the human mind is an amazing, amazing tool. If you can really unleash it and and believe in, believe in it, you, you really, you really can, but by by rights and I'll just address any african-americans out there by rights I shouldn't be doing the things that I'm doing.
Speaker 2:When my mum moved to nigeria in the 70s, my grandparents were living in mud huts. But here I am now. You know it's a mindset you've got to. You know, find your greatness, seize the opportunity and focus is that comparison that we said in the middle of this podcast. You know, don't compare your life to others. You'll never reach their expectations or success. The only greatest person you can be is the greatest version of yourself. So I would ask anyone to get a, get a piece of paper and write down what are your skills, what are your gifts, what are your abilities and what can you do with those skills to improve your, improve yourself amazing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, simon. Thank you so much again for joining us. That was uh. You've had an amazing journey. Uh, amazing stories. I again, I I feel like there's so much more. This can go on for another hour. I know we can talk for three hours on this.
Speaker 2:We better wrap it up.
Speaker 1:We'll end there but we'll wrap it up, simon, uh. So thanks again, uh, for joining us and you know, uh, hopefully we'll get another opportunity to to, uh, you know, touch base on some of the some of the stuff that I wanted to talk about, but we didn't. We didn't get a chance to, and I know we have.
Speaker 2:You have uh stuff going on today, so well, we could one thing to say, to show more than happy to do a part two. If you want me to come back and do this, and also if people want to learn more about me, they could just go to my name, simonosimocom s-i-m-o-n-o-s-a-m-o-hcom, and I can learn more about my journey and how I can perhaps help them absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you have any other handles, like social media handles or?
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything is just my name. The biggest thing for you to share is just making sure you put my my main spell credit, my show notes. That's how people can sign me. Youtube channel is Simon Osmo Um. Instagram is Simon Osmo. I like to keep it simple. The biggest challenge is spelling my last name correctly.
Speaker 1:Perfect. Well, I'll make sure we do that. Do that, simon, and thank you for your time again. I appreciate you stopping by.