#047 Mangala Holland and Sexual Pleasure Over 40!

This is a good one if you haven't been having as much sex as you'd like especially if you've given up on the idea of great sex.  Mangala and I talk about some of the reasons people struggle when it comes to pleasuring yourself or allowing another to provide you pleasure.  Do you hate your body or feel shame around sex?  You'll hear Mangala talk about how we can reclaim pleasure in mid-life and hear what she says about mid-life not being the end of a sex-life.  She works with clients of all ages who experience immense pleasure now and having their best lives including renewed confidence leading to all areas of life.  Learn how you can do it too!!  Another not-to-miss-episode!  You can find and follow her on FB, IG and her website: https://mangalaholland.com/

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

Welcome to the Straight from the Source's Mouth podcast. Frank talk about sex and dating. All right. Hello, everyone. Tamra here. Welcome to the show. Today's guest is Mongala Holland, and we'll be talking about Pleasure Over 40. If you like this episode, be sure to tell your friends about it and rate it as well. Thanks for joining me today, Mongala.

SPEAKER_01: 0:20

Thank you. I'm delighted to be here and really excited for our conversation.

SPEAKER_00: 0:25

Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good one. Obviously, a lot of people can probably relate to it, but how did you get started in this? Like, or what made you want to discuss this kind of topic?

SPEAKER_01: 0:36

Yeah, um, so the short condensed answer is like back in the day, like before I got into sexuality work, I was in the corporate world and I worked in stockbrokers and law firms, and um I was also DJing three or four nights a week and leading a bit of a double life, and I was a real party animal. Um, and I did that for as long as my body would let me, and eventually I burnt out, no surprise. And um, once I burnt out, I really decided I needed to take some time out to kind of like you know, explore why I was so unhappy and and why I'd been pushing myself to the limit in the first place, and I went off to do traveling for a year, and I I got into like yoga and meditation, um, but on that journey I discovered uh Neo Tantra and I realized that at the core of my I realized I actually hated my body. Uh, I'd had a massive disconnect with my sexuality all my life. Um, and I'd had like a string of just drunken one-night stands and just full of shame. I realized at the core of it I had so much sexual shame, and exploring sexuality was like, oh my god, this is a chance for me to really get to the root of this and work through it and really do the deep healing work, and um, and I did, and through that journey, I started to discover all these amazing orgasms, like cervical orgasms, G-spot orgasms. I was like, my god, this is amazing! Like, why does nobody tell us about this? Like, you know, I was I think I was like 38 by the time I heard about this stuff, and I was like, we're just not told this when we're younger. Um, and so that was it was all well and good until I realized that actually the environment I was in was really manipulative and full of predators and really unsafe place for women. And I I'd spent five years immersed in that environment, and when I came out of that, I was like, I really am so passionate about I want to like take the gems of like what was helpful for women and give them ways to learn about this stuff safely and where they can do the discovery in their own time and pace and from the comfort of their own homes without without needing to go and do this like crazy stuff that I'd done and you know avoided predators and everything else. Um, as I'd emerged from that community, I was in my mid-40s then, and you know, a lot of the practices they were teaching just were not helpful for a woman in her mid-40s. So you know, my energy levels had changed, I was I just started to hit perimenopause, and that uncovered a huge new layer of me, you know, looking at like how do I how do I still access pleasure in a body that is changing in all kinds of weird and wonderful ways? Um, and my energy levels are like plummeted, and how do I, you know, how do I navigate this? And it opened up all these questions, and so it's been a really big journey for me. And as I've got older, um, you know, I've started to work with more clients who are um 50s, 60s, and 70s. Like my oldest client is 76. Um, she's having the best sex and pleasure of her life. Um, and it's awesome, yeah. It's it's like it's never too late to discover this stuff. And uh so a lot of the a lot of the women I work with, they go through a phase of feeling really angry, like to get to get to 40s and 50s, and like, why the hell am I only discovering this now? It can bring up a lot of rage, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 4:14

Yeah, well, and I'm actually the opposite. I I learned this, well, I had an like a tantric amazing one at 18 and never repeated it. So yeah, it was like my first, you know, like my first love and all, and he knew what he was doing because he had I was a second, and it just yeah, so I can I haven't been able to get that back. So I I know what I'm missing.

SPEAKER_01: 4:34

Yeah, and that's like kind of like it's like having amazing drugs and then never being able to recreate that same experience. Yeah. Wow, wow.

SPEAKER_00: 4:42

Yeah, so when you mentioned clients, do you want to talk about like what you do now? And then we can go into like the messages you have as well.

SPEAKER_01: 4:49

Sure, yeah. So the clients I have these days, um, I mean, I work with everyone aged 18 to as I say, 76, but I would say like the vast majority of my clients are kind of late 30s, 40s, and in their 50s. Um work with women involver owners, um, and it really is around helping them reclaim their pleasure. So for a lot of clients, it's like they feel like either they've got stuck in a rut in the relationship and things are kind of got to a point where it's got stale, or they've not had sex for a while, or they want to bring in this freshness and re-get that get that spark back that's been missing. Um, for some people, it's that they they shut down during sex and they they've always struggled with that and they need support in unraveling that so that they can yeah, feel more sexually confident and be able to relax and let go in the bedroom. Um, for some of my clients, it's just like oh, they've been through a big life change and they're like they're ready to rediscover who they are now and and and step into this new identity. And then for other clients, it's like, yeah, I'm already having orgasms, but I want to know what else my body's capable of, and I want this, you know, this next level. Um, and that's so that's really exciting. So it's a few different, a few different uh clients. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:14

And and do you work with them, I'm guessing, online or in person, or like what's your and what are your what are your is your title or what do you work on? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:23

Yeah, so I um I um my my title is uh women's sexuality uh an empowerment coach because I really believe that like when we unlock this sexuality, like it affects every part of our lives and our confidence and everything else. Um and so all my work is online and I work with clients one-to-one, uh, normally in a uh six-month coaching package because it takes time to unravel this stuff and they need the hand holding along the way. And I also run group programs as well. Um, they're so much fun because getting a bunch of people together who are all working on stuff on their own, you know, want to develop in their own uh their own personal stuff, but to be in a community doing that together is really powerful. Um, and I also run a professional facilitated training program as well. So that's a 10-month program where I teach people to do what I do. Yeah, so it's I love it. I feel I feel so lucky to be um, you know, to teach this stuff because it it is life-changing and it's so rewarding.

unknown: 7:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:29

Yeah, I've actually had someone on like early on in my podcast journey, and she was like very alive and happy, and just like, you know, it it's a testament to like what you guys do, I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_01: 7:40

And there's something, you know, there's also like it takes some, you know, some to be talking about taboo breaking stuff a lot of the time. And I guess you must come up against this as well. Like sometimes you meet somebody who's like an accountant or something, and you know, it's like they get really curious about what you do, and it's like, oh, are you ready for this conversation? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:02

Yeah, yeah, for sure. When you talk about you have a podcast about sex, they definitely have some have some thoughts on that. Well, do you want to um share here how people can get a hold of you and then like so we'll talk about like the main points?

SPEAKER_01: 8:17

Yeah, so you can find me at my website, mangalaholland.com. Uh, on there, I do have a free three-part video series called From Shutdown to Sensual Satisfaction. So if anyone's listening to this and they want to um jump on that, it's a really um safe intro, like small bite-sized um practices that you can do just to start to get into your body and start to feel more confident. Um, you can also find me on Facebook at Mangla Holland and also Instagram at Mangla Holland. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:49

Okay, awesome. And then I know we talked right before this about our kind of our three main topics. If we're ready, just go there.

SPEAKER_01: 8:55

Yeah, let's let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00: 8:57

And I know you you address some of them by mentioning some of your clients, but maybe go more into like you mentioned the peop people, what they struggle with. And I guess you kind of already really said most of it, if there's any more to add, I guess.

SPEAKER_01: 9:09

Yeah, absolutely. I would say, like, especially when it comes to feeling like you can just relax and let go and receive and you know, uh, in the bedroom, there's there's a few key things that really hold people back. Um, things like shame is a big one, you know. Um, like it was it was definitely a huge part of my journey. Uh, but I see it with so many of my clients, like, and that can be for many different reasons. It can be upbringing, um, it can be messages we got from our parents about what's considered okay and what's not, you know, um, even down, even down to how your parents talked about your genitals or pleasure or anything like that. Um, we get messages when we were really, really impressionable early on. Um, it can come from society and it can come from religious upbringing, all of those things can really um hold us back when it comes to feeling confident in ourselves. So, shame is a big one. Um, guilt is a big one as well, like feeling uh like you uh feeling like you're deserving to take the time and the space for pleasure. So many women in particular feel like they've got to support everybody else, and they're doing all these things for other people, and their own needs get put to the bottom of the list. Um, and even when we're talking about pleasure practices that are gonna make you feel really good and juicy and alive and and orgasmic, it's like that gets gets put to the bottom of the to-do list, and then you run out of steam by the end of the day, too exhausted, think oh, I'll do that tomorrow, and it never gets done. Um, so there is a piece in there about um feeling worthy and deserving to prioritize yourself and prioritize your own pleasure. Um, those of us who've been socialized as female often end up in the giving role and the supporting role, which you know that translates sometimes into the bedroom as well, uh, feeling like it's all about our partner's needs or our partner's pleasure, and that's that's not healthy. So that is something that I definitely support clients with. Um, trauma, of course, is a big one as well, and it doesn't necessarily need to be sexual trauma. Um, there can be things in you know, from our upbringing or childhood or or later in life as well. Sometimes it can be you know things that are seemingly unrelated but have left left you feeling really confident, unconfident, or unable to articulate your needs, or even to know what your needs are. Um, or you get to a point where you just freeze, you know, all of this stuff can be unwound and can be worked through. So yeah, that that is a big one as well. So there's many, there's many different reasons. Um, but these are the kind of things people typically struggle with.

SPEAKER_00: 11:57

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And because we talk about books a lot, um, I just read one on complex PTSD, like basically a lack of nurturing growing up and um what my body knows, I think is what it's called. Um, Stephanie Fu, in case I'm getting the title wrong. But that was a really good book to she did she was a researcher and she talked a lot about how to um resources for overcoming that kind of trauma. And then when you mentioned guilt, I was thinking of the other type of guilt is just like feeling it's like wrong and dirty. Like you said, you know, sometimes it's yeah, so that goes back to the shame too, like the two together.

SPEAKER_01: 12:30

Yeah, absolutely. That it's simple or or even just that it's that it's a frivolous luxury, and I should be doing something more productive with my time. Like this is where you know capitalism really kicks in, and it's like, no, I'm supposed to be I'm supposed to be working or I'm supposed to be looking after my family or whatever. It's you know, it's all these things that we we should be doing. Um it's easy to get stuck in that trap.

SPEAKER_00: 12:55

Yeah, very much. Yeah, for sure. All right, do you want to move on to how we can reclaim all that or say in the first part?

SPEAKER_01: 13:05

Yeah, absolutely. Um, and I think like the important thing that the message I want people to get really is that it is possible to reclaim pleasure, and it's so easy, particularly in midlife, to think, oh that's it, it's game over. Um, I've hit perimenopause or menopause, and my vagina's drying up and my body's getting old, and everything's starting to sag, and my libidos crash through the floor, and it's game over, and it's never going to come back. And I want to reassure people that actually know there's a lot that can be done, um, and that it is possible to reclaim your pleasure. Um, I always recommend starting through the body. I love that you said, like, what my body knows. I mean, this is this is the key for me. It's like really coming at this through a body first perspective. Um, because if you're somebody who goes into your head a lot and gets stuck in your head a lot, you can't fix the problem from just up in the head or just from talking. It needs to be an embodied approach. So it's like, what are the small things you can do on a daily basis to get you back into your body and start to feel what's there? Um, you know, sometimes I'll I'll work with people and they'll say, I feel numb from the waist down, or I'm just completely disconnected. And it's like, once once we start to engage just in general movement, like every day, whether that's dance or rolling around on the floor or moving around on your hands and knees with your eyes closed, um, these kind of things, and really just listening to what is going on in your body, it helps you process stuff that has kind of got backed up in your system and hasn't been moved through, um, but it also helps you access um more pleasure and more sensation, and then that really helps you um reconnect your pleasure. Um, and I think, particularly in midlife when we've got so much going on, um, and we can be exhausted, and you might have teenagers and elderly parents that you're trying to support and go through your own hormonal changes as well, um, pleasure can be a lifeline. Um, so it's like I really recommend starting with getting into your body and also looking at pleasure in general in daily life. Like, what are the things that you can look towards that bring you pleasure? So, as we're talking now, I look out the window, and here in the UK, we're in like the we're in full spring now, and the sun is actually shining today, and there's the trees are really green, and I look at that, it's just like it makes me happy and brings me joy, and it's like, yeah, what are the things that brings bring us joy in daily life? Like, start to do more of them, and it might sound really simple, but it's like the more we can lean on pleasure, the easier it is to then access sexual pleasure for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 15:59

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, excited. Um I can see the Washington Monument. I mentioned a few times, like when I look out my window, so it's just like cool to see like the seat of government and stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 16:12

Yeah, super cool. I mean, I guess that's like a real power spot, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 16:18

And then like I was just thinking about other stuff like food or whatever it is that you love, you know, just like enjoy it, do it, you know, like you said, yeah, absolutely, and do it in a really intentional way, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 16:29

It's like like I could eat um I'm trying that, I could eat a pizza, for example, and just smash through it and not give it a second thought and it barely touched the sides, which is often, you know, I have to really remind myself not to do that, or it can slow down and I can savour it and I can enjoy the you know, all engage all of the senses. This is the other thing. Like when we can engage all of the senses, it brings in so much more awareness and freshness, um, and it can heighten our uh availability for pleasure as well. And this is the key thing I would say for everybody. I think we can benefit from slowing things down more, um, but particularly in midlife, you know, our bodies give us signals that actually we can't override anymore. So, like, we might need to slow down more, we might need a more tender touch, we might need to take more time and have more foreplay and all of these things. And I think that's our body's way of saying, Hey, I've got boundaries here, and I have to listen to them now. And now I'm at a point in my life where I can't just override that with alcohol or you know, just just jumping into bed with someone and and expecting it to go okay. It's like I need I need all these more subtle nuances in place, and I think it's really important to to listen to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:53

Yeah, and the connection, like you know, like you mentioned when you're younger, one night stands, like they're not quite the same when you're when you're older.

SPEAKER_01: 18:00

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a time and a place for all night sound if that's what you want. But there's I think and I'm generalizing here, but I think as we get older we'd tend to be looking for something a bit more nourishing and and a bit more, like you say, in a bit more of that connection, um, especially emotionally. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point.

SPEAKER_00: 18:20

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Well, I guess it was my point, especially.

SPEAKER_01: 18:26

Yeah, is there more to say on how they reclaim, or do you think I would say this is about permission, and it's about looking at all the all of the messages that we've ingested, and when they when those thoughts come up, because they're you know, if you get stuck in thought loops, thought loops of like I should be doing something more important, or um, I don't deserve this, or my orgasms take too long. That's a classic one, or all of these things, it's like start intercepting that with the question of says who, because chances are it's not your voice, it's it was your mother's voice, or it's something you got from childhood. Um, and we can start to break that pattern and break that cycle there. Um, and especially when you are doing this and you're you're more connected to your body, you start to dis dismantle these blocks and start to dismantle these old ways of being, and this is where you start to really reclaim this. And you know, I I think particularly in midlife, it's it is a transitional phase, it is um uh a rite of passage, that's the word I was looking for. You know, so it is us stepping into a new phase of life, um, and that means part of our old identities have to drop away and we get to embrace something new. And for a lot of us, um, as women in particular, when we were younger, we might have been able to get through our life with with looks and uh charm and you know, the like the beauty. Uh and as we get older and and things change, then we have to dig a bit deeper. And it's like, okay, what are my gifts? Um, and that we have to source our validation from a a much deeper place inside ourselves and not be seeking it from outside. And I think this is revolutionary and it's really empowering to step into that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:25

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely see that. Unfortunately, with the you know, as we know, society favors the young, but I I love that everyone like they say, you know, 40 was a new 20 or whatever, now it's like 50 and 60. So every as we age, right? Like everyone's feeling younger and looking younger.

SPEAKER_01: 20:45

Yeah, I just saw I don't know if you've seen in the last couple of days, like sports illustrated have just um brought out their latest edition swimsuit model who's 81.

SPEAKER_00: 20:55

And it's like Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart.

SPEAKER_01: 20:58

Yeah, it's like that's pretty cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:01

Yeah, she looks great. Yeah, very cool. All right, any more on reclaiming?

SPEAKER_01: 21:07

I think that's I think that's a a good, you know, I hopefully that inspires, inspires your listeners. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:14

Yeah, and I definitely love the says who part because you know we all have talk to ourselves or hear that voice, and yeah, yeah, it's good to differentiate like who is saying that. Like I've I've never heard a quite like that, and I'm gonna definitely use that when I catch myself. It's hard for me to catch myself when I say things like you know, negative stuff. Yeah, stopping yourself is super key.

SPEAKER_01: 21:34

Yeah, that's it. And then and it's also about when you catch yourself to not then beat yourself up for being like, oh god, I thought that thought again, you know, because that can be a negative reinforcement. Yeah, it's like great, great, we're um right, we're unwinding the patterns here, like celebrate it every time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:51

Yeah, very cool. All right, and then you said you were you were gonna talk about how this will be the start. I'll let you finish.

SPEAKER_01: 21:59

Yeah, yeah. So I always love to invite people into the question of what if midlife is the start of your pleasure and not the end. Um, and it's come this question has come about because of the results I've seen in my clients over and over again. Like they say, like so many of my clients thought that oh, this is you know, it's game over now, or I'm just not sure if I'm ever gonna if I'm ever gonna get there, or or doubting themselves and second guessing. And once they start on this journey of reclamation and reclaiming their pleasure, it's like, oh my goodness, I didn't know it could be this good. I didn't know my body was capable of experiencing this level of pleasure and these kinds of orgasms, and oh my god, this is amazing! So it really can be the start. Um, and as I said about my my client who is 76, there's another another woman I worked with last year who is also over 70, and after we've worked together, she was like, My pussy is more alive than ever, you know, and this is this is incredible. And I work with clients who've been with their partners for decades, and through this work, they have really discovered what works for them and what doesn't. Like that's the key piece, it's like really accessing this authentic sensuality and authentic sexual confidence from the inside out, which then makes it so much easier to communicate that to a partner, and then they're able to bring in so much like more freshness into the bedroom because it's like, oh, we've got all these new things to apply, we've got a whole bigger realm to kind of explore, and we're both in this journey of discovering and figuring out what works, and like that can just take intimacy to such a deeper level. And if you're in a long-term relationship where you've already got that that beautiful container of trust and safety and familiarity, I just think that is so awesome, you know. It's so incredible. For sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 24:01

I mean, especially for the men listening, because this yeah, I believe my listeners are like 50-50 men with great so yeah, like as all those men that wished you know they were having more time in the bedroom, you know, and if a woman feels starts to get her pleasure back and then asks for what she wants so the guy can actually please her, yeah, you know, the way she wants to be pleased, and then everyone's happy. I love a win-win situation.

SPEAKER_01: 24:22

Totally. And it's like when you're discovering pleasure from the inside out through your body in this way, like so many of my clients are then, they feel more confident, they're able to go into positions where they might have felt self-conscious about how their body looked before. It's like now it's just like no, I know that this is this is a position that brings me the most pleasure and and allows me to access orgasms. Like, what partner's not going to enjoy that, you know? It's it it is really um affirming for both parties. Yeah, yeah. And for the men who are listening, like if you want to support your female partner in this, uh, I would really encourage you to experiment with slowing everything right down, um taking orgasm as a goal off the table and just exploring the sensations and the pleasure that are there, um, and and way more foreplay. That's the one of the key things. Thumbs up. Like um, I was interviewing for a magazine this week, and uh and I said, like, my golden rule is however much foreplay you're doing at the moment, experiment by doubling it and see what see what happens.

unknown: 25:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 25:32

Yeah. Yeah, actually, I started talking about this what during stand-up comedy, and that was one of my messages constantly. Wow. Is to um it was all about a certain area that women have that a lot of people don't notice. Yeah, the clitoris, basically. And then and then I've for through in this podcast, I've discovered how much bigger the clitoris is than you think. Yes. You know, and so that little one little spot and that foreplay is very helpful. And I I also um add it to the love languages, you know, if if you're someone that likes touch, more touch is play, you know, is foreplay. And then if you like the words, more words throughout the day are gonna be played as well.

SPEAKER_01: 26:08

Absolutely, and building that anticipation, not just like when you get into bed, like, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the other thing I love on this is like you you mentioned like the clitoris as well, and it's like, and there's so many other erogenous zones in our body, like uh that are kind of secondary, like the insides of our elbows, the insides of the wrists, the back of the neck, under the ears. Like we're all we're all wide a bit differently, but it's fun to explore that and see what the response is. Um, because these are the things that can sometimes bring in so much more aliveness and freshness, and it's like, oh, I didn't know that that was that that was pleasurable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 26:46

Yeah, like my like the back of my arm for some reason, there's like a certain spot, like really good. Yeah, yeah, and I just like obviously just randomly discovered that.

SPEAKER_01: 26:54

I'm like, oh yeah, absolutely. I love that. I love these, like these cool experiments where we just we're continually discovering more about ourselves and each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:05

Yeah, very cool. Anything else to add that we can um just to prove that it's the start versus the end of pleasure?

SPEAKER_01: 27:13

Yeah, yeah. And I think as I said earlier, I think pleasure is a really massive resource, um, and it can really give us so much more energy and fulfillment and make us yeah, we are we are wired for pleasure, we are meant to thrive, we're not meant to be um stuck stressed and in survival mode and just trying to get by, you know, like the human race needs us to be in pleasure for us to procreate, so it's a really fundamental thing. Um, one thing where people get really stuck is stress, like stress can have a massive impact on pleasure, um, and particularly around midlife. And so the more you can like if you're not at midlife yet and you're listening to this, then really prioritize pleasure and make it a real um non-negotiable in your life because it's gonna stop you reaching that point where you hit burnout or or you get stressed, it it's it's gonna help you redress that balance. Um, as I say, I see time and time again what's possible for people when they do reclaim their pleasure, and and it as I said, it affects every area of your life. And I have had clients who have like once they've awoken their pleasure and their sexual confidence and their orgasm started to get unleashed, they make huge changes in their life, like they quit their jobs and start whole new creative careers. I've had clients who've moved cities and started a whole new life, um, clients who now feel like they're ready to try for a baby because their partnership is in a better position than it ever was before. Um, I've seen clients like start whole new businesses. I've had clients whose businesses have gone through the roof once they've opened up to pleasure and the creative energy is flowing. Um, so it really is tied in with this, and this is why like it really can be the start. It really can, and it's more than anything, it's about really getting to the truth of who you are. Um, and midlife gives us an opportunity to really um get curious with that. I mean, the sign sometimes can be really uncomfortable in our bodies when when there's all these changes happening, and so it's like it's like the warning lights and the car come on and says, Okay, we can't keep operating in this default mode anymore. I've got to do something about this. Um, and this is where when we lean into pleasure and drink from it and use it as a resource, then we get to reap the benefits, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 29:45

Yeah, I know I I say this pretty much every episode, but no, I I think it's still inspire a lot of people, and you know, this is really great information because yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that aren't so happy in their sex lives or in the bedroom, and this would be awesome to just have win-wins for everyone that listens and it and it goes even farther. Yeah, absolutely. So that seems like a good ending point unless you wanted to make any last comment, but I think that was kind of like a good summary.

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I'm really happy with that, and yeah, um, you know, follow me on social media and and all the places. Um, yeah, I I'm you know, I I love to talk about this stuff, I love to educate on this stuff, and I love to support people in um dismantling the blocks that are in the way of this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 30:35

All right. Well, thank you very much. And if you love this episode, be sure to tell your friends about it. And if you've gotten something, also check out Mangala Holland on all the social media, like she said. But yeah, hopefully you found this very valuable, like I did. And um thank you very much for being on.

SPEAKER_01: 30:51

Oh, thank you for having me. It's been a delight to to have this conversation today.

SPEAKER_00: 30:56

Alrighty, thanks again.

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