What If It Did Work?
Unmasking Deception: Integrity Over Illusions in Business and Mentorship with Benjamin John
What if everything you thought you knew about success and mentorship was wrong? Join us for an illuminating conversation with Benjamin John, the owner of Precision Patio Covers LLC, as he sheds light on the often misleading world of business growth and self-help gurus. Find out how Benjamin's journey from deceptive sales tactics to ethical business practices reshaped his career and led him to become a vocal advocate for integrity. From his candid reflections on past mentoring mistakes to his insights on genuine community engagement, Benjamin offers a refreshing perspective that challenges the status quo.
In this episode, we tackle the dangerous glorification of wealth and the all-too-common high-pressure sales tactics employed by some of today's most high-profile entrepreneurs. Benjamin doesn't hold back, calling out names like Andy Elliott, Wes Watson, and Grant Cardone, and sharing a heated Instagram live debate with a Cardone supporter that you won't want to miss. We'll also explore the pitfalls of the self-help and business development industry, where Benjamin and I dissect the manipulative tactics and false promises that keep people endlessly spending in pursuit of quick success.
But it's not all about the dark side of business. We also celebrate the power of genuine connections and the importance of staying true to one's values. Hear heartfelt stories about resilience, authenticity, and mutual support that underscore the significance of real human bonds, both in personal and professional realms. Whether you're a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting out, this episode provides invaluable lessons on maintaining integrity and finding success without sacrificing your principles.
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What if everything you thought you knew about success and mentorship was wrong? Join us for an illuminating conversation with Benjamin John, the owner of Precision Patio Covers LLC, as he sheds light on the often misleading world of business growth and self-help gurus. Find out how Benjamin's journey from deceptive sales tactics to ethical business practices reshaped his career and led him to become a vocal advocate for integrity. From his candid reflections on past mentoring mistakes to his insights on genuine community engagement, Benjamin offers a refreshing perspective that challenges the status quo.
In this episode, we tackle the dangerous glorification of wealth and the all-too-common high-pressure sales tactics employed by some of today's most high-profile entrepreneurs. Benjamin doesn't hold back, calling out names like Andy Elliott, Wes Watson, and Grant Cardone, and sharing a heated Instagram live debate with a Cardone supporter that you won't want to miss. We'll also explore the pitfalls of the self-help and business development industry, where Benjamin and I dissect the manipulative tactics and false promises that keep people endlessly spending in pursuit of quick success.
But it's not all about the dark side of business. We also celebrate the power of genuine connections and the importance of staying true to one's values. Hear heartfelt stories about resilience, authenticity, and mutual support that underscore the significance of real human bonds, both in personal and professional realms. Whether you're a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting out, this episode provides invaluable lessons on maintaining integrity and finding success without sacrificing your principles.
Join the What if it Did Work movement on Facebook
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I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back. Every time I load my gun up so I can shoot for the star, I hear a voice like who do you think?
Speaker 2:you are all right, everybody. Another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite episodes. Yes, I'm biased, it's my own podcast and I gotta say this is a treat. I've known this guy for years and I'm going to read his intro and then I'm just going to let him have it, because after spending so much money with gurus, you would think you'd know the ins and outs of promotion.
Speaker 2:The owner of Precision Patio covers LLC and massive impact. He puts massive energy into these different businesses and ventures to help other people achieve prosperity and business in life. He gives his full attention and energy to a cause that is greater than himself and is determined to make a difference in people's lives. He puts a heavy emphasis on actively and authentically engaging with the community on a one-on-one level. He's been able to organically impact people on a global scale by showing people how to apply the same approach to the rest of the world. With his interactive sales training system, he's able to help businesses ethically grow by deconstructing the deceptive ways that sales has been taught and showing companies how to massively impact their customers with care. Today, benjamin teaches entrepreneurs, salesmen, saleswomen really just salespeople but Ben wanted both and everyday people how to be massively better at everything they do with his interactive training system in person events and live calls.
Speaker 2:Dude, I gotta say there's two things you have missing. You are an author. Last night I checked because I read your book correct. Yeah, I am nowhere. Nowhere does it say that. And the second thing is the one thing you that you stand out completely compared to other coaches, sales leaders, whatever, dude, you're in a band man.
Speaker 3:Ah yeah, yeah, you know what man I appreciate. So here's the thing, dude, God, I try not to get too heavily caught up in my titles and like accomplishments and shit like that. It's so funny, man. I'm trying to change the game with that. I noticed myself at like networking events and stuff like that, where they're like you got 60 seconds to tell people what you, what you do and how you do it. I literally take those 60 seconds and I'm like look guys, my name is Ben. I'd love to sit here and glorify myself and put all these titles and labels and share my accomplishments with you, but, quite honestly, I'd rather just connect with you and establish a relationship. If you'd love to know more about me, let's make sure we do that after this. That's how I've literally been doing all my networking events.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, that would have beat your ass at B&I. Man, they want you to perfect that elevator pitch. I know they don't. They don't care what you're selling. But this is your chance to shine your 60 seconds, make it memorable, make it authentic, make everybody know what you do. But but literally, that's not. Man. How many people can say they wrote a book?
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, and that's true. And on, quite honestly, um, I already have, uh, I'm in the second, I'm in the editing phase of my second book and I've already started to write my third book. So, pretty quickly here, the second book is coming out here in may and, um, this third book actually, um, I've only talked about it a little bit, but this book is actually going to really make a huge impact because, you know, I talk about misguided mentors and the first book was called misguided mentor. What I didn't realize was I was a fucking misguided mentor when I wrote it, man, and so now, now this new book is going to be called today's misguided mentors, where I'm going to be really bringing awareness to these misguided mentors, self-serving entrepreneurs and pretty much the like I said, like you were saying in the bio, the deceptive ways of sales and business. You know, the interrogation, harassment, bullying, stuff that nobody talks about but but feels, and so it's really, really going to shed a lot of light on this topic. Man, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2:So, ben, are you trying to tell me that pressure sales and guilting people and messing with their emotions shouldn't really be the right?
Speaker 3:way to sell.
Speaker 3:A hundred percent, man. But you know there's a lot of people, ironically, that would just disagree with that. No, and you know what's funny, man? Like on on on an honest level, like I bought into that shit too. I used to tell myself like, oh well, people need help making decision. I need to push them because if I don't, they're going to end up doing business with somebody else and they're going to have a shitty experience. Right, you start telling your ways. When you start drinking the Kool-Aid man, it becomes real and you start telling yourself and justifying to yourself why it's OK to treat people like shit.
Speaker 2:It's quite remarkable with the real way of drinking the Kool-Aid. Listen to this man. The real reason why I'm doing it is the prospect. Just doesn't understand. This is life and death. I'm here to save him. He just doesn't. He hasn't expanded his vision. He just doesn't understand how badly he needs my services. I'm not doing it for me, I'm doing it for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, you know that word need or should. That's a real indicator to me that someone's really trying to brainwash you. Man, I went from one extreme to the other, brother, I'm sure you've noticed.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's funny because, okay, we're outliers to begin with. Being in the same room, we, we sip the kool-aid. I mean you're beating yourself up, but there's people that friggin they would be in waco, they'd be in guyana drinking the kool-aidid with Jim Jones. I mean weak-ass-minded people. So you're beating yourself up, we at least, you know we could see the ins and outs, while some people I mean heck, if they were in Southern Cal with the Heavens Gators, they would have lopped off their balls and tried to go on that comment.
Speaker 3:Right, that's true, man, I don't beat myself up, actually. Um, so I and I mean because if I did, I wouldn't even talk about it A lot of people are embarrassed to talk about the things that I I bring up about myself. You know what I mean Stuff, that this is why these, these type of things never get talked about, is because one of many reasons is they're flat out embarrassed. It's not fun, it's not nice, it's not a good thing or it's not exciting to talk about how I wasted a bunch of time, uh, you know, getting brainwashed, getting into a cult, losing a ton of money. Uh, you know getting in bed with somebody because they made a false promise to me that they were going to take my business to the promised lands and it didn't work.
Speaker 3:And it took three years for me to realize that that's not a fun conversation to have. For most people it's embarrassing, but for me it's been really helping people. Man, just talk, I'm not embarrassed. And in and in doing that, it's really shed some light and encourage other people to talk about their shitty experience that they've had, that they've been holding back well, dude, the the best part, and I, I have to tell everybody this you know I always social media saw.
Speaker 2:You know, ben, quite well, it went like overnight, dude you, you, you were like jerry mcguire in it or you're like the old dude in network screaming I'm mad as hell, I, I, I mean, you know, just overnight. I'm like holy smokes. I'm like, is it april fools? Well, what's going on here with with these reels? I'm like not only are they entertaining, but they're like so accurate and, dude you, you literally went like no holds bar, because it wasn't just like your quote-unquote guru, but you went after completely the whole industry. Yeah, dude, everybody sees all these people that you went after, like if they could walk on water, like like they're the second coming of jesus christ, they're a new prophet. You know, literally whenever they talk, you could hear a pin drop. It's like, oh shit, there might be something new. It's the same shit really believe it or not that they keep on. They're very repetitive a hundred percent.
Speaker 3:It's all bullshit's all. All of them repeat the same stuff. They're all. It's like they all have a committee and they, they have a board meeting and say like, hey, we're going to, this is our narrative. Let's all say make sure the same thing.
Speaker 3:But yeah, just to give people context, you know I, I was a partner. You know I, my mentor is Grant Cardone and he's a self-proclaimed billionaire Pretty much in the way I describe it in my story, is kind of brainwashed me into becoming a partner with him and ended up not making any money, ended up not being successful. And yes, you're right. Overnight, in that process of me waking up and being like holy shit, I've ignored red flag after red flag over the years and it's so clear like why did I ignore this? And yes, overnight I was so outspoken about not only that, but I was enlightened to everybody else and, as I call them misguided mentors, self serving entrepreneurs like Andy Elliott and Wes Watson and so on and so forth I literally called them all out.
Speaker 3:I'm like this is bullshit. I can see through you. You're full of shit, you have false confidence, you're a lost leader. You don't even believe this yourself. You're, uh, you're saying things you don't even do yourself, like I'm literally calling things out as I see it and you're right, it was so quick, it was such a quick of a unveiling that everybody's like is this clickbait? Is this a marketing tactic? They were all reaching out to me and they're like bro, are you serious, are you okay? I was like yeah, I'm dead serious, dude.
Speaker 2:Well, dude you, you, you're even challenging everybody to go in the ring with you, man.
Speaker 3:You know the reason for that is because a lot of people you know I thought I was just, you know again thought that was a marketing thing. The whole reason behind that was because, uh, there was a guy who was uh, defending Grant Cardone when I first started getting loud about him and I was like you know what? Uh, let's have an Instagram live, I'll give you the time of day to defend him. And then he started getting aggressive, like, bro, I'll get on a lie with you, but not to be immature, like, if you want to have a productive conversation, I'll give you the time of day. So we ended up having a live. Uh, it ended up being a productive conversation.
Speaker 3:I actually liked the guy, even though he was completely brainwashed by Grant still, and didn't want to hear anything I said, but he brought it. He brought up the Jordan Belfort and Grant Cardone podcast where Grant was calling him out to a fight, a cage fight, right, and I don't know if you've seen that interview, but that's painful to watch. Grant was posturing so hard, so insecure, so overcompensating and, anyways, we brought it up. We were joking. I was like how cool would it be if I challenged him to a boxing match? I was like, because that might actually be the next step, because the only thing they value is their ego and their masculinity. That's all it's left now. So I was like, maybe I'll come after that. So that's where that came. And then it just became became funny because I would. I challenged him to the boxing match and then I used his own slimy follow-up tactics to follow up with him, which just became funny at that point.
Speaker 2:Well, you, being a former licensee, you learned all about follow up. You learned all about prospecting. You learned how to grow that pipeline. And for people that are anti you or pissed off, dude, dude, you have to come across just to me. Everybody has their own story, everybody has their own perception. Their own perception is their own reality.
Speaker 2:You know you can't be like, oh well, you know, I hate you, ben, I can't believe you. You know, even though I've never met the man and you have dealings with them, screw you, I can't be your friend. You know there's people that hate you and I, I mean it's part of life, yeah, but you know, I, I would hope somebody wouldn't be like, oh well, you know, if you don't believe in in ben and you don't like Omar, then you know it's ass, it's on man, it's on like Donkey Kong. But that's just how people operate. They don't understand that we're all allowed to have our own perspectives. We're all allowed to have our own opinions.
Speaker 2:That's the growing thing with America is these days is people don't realize we all come from different backgrounds, different belief system. You know, we all grew up in different places and regions and what makes it beautiful is that's what creates. You know all our our values, all our beliefs, and that we're different. And nowadays, you know, instead of embracing that, it's like, oh, we have to go to war. But this guy's not a neocon, he's a communist. And the other side? Well, if they're, if they're not completely far left, then they must be part of the clan. They, they must be trying to try to erase my existence. And it's like no man, we can all just have different views. Yeah, man, even if I was like 100% with the frigging blinders on drinking Kool-Aid, I would still judge you based on our reaction. Me meeting your daughter, your woman, all that I wouldn't be like. Oh well, uh, ben, I have a list of people that Ben's not talking to, so he must be a dick now.
Speaker 3:You know that's pretty much just immaturity, dude. Um, there's a lot of adults that are very immature, man, and that that level of it which, in my opinion, the way even sales is being taught is very immature. All that shit that I was talking about is like a school middle school way of treating people, and I'll get into that in a second. But what you're talking about is confirmation bias and meaning people don't want to have a conversation unless they hear what they want. They're not hearing something that they want to hear, and if you don't I talked about this concept not too long ago. I said you can have.
Speaker 3:There's a difference between confidence and conviction. You can be convicted in something but not be confident in it. Right, and so I also went a little bit further and said it's okay to be convicted in something, but I think if you have acceptance with that meaning, if you accept somebody else's perception, you expect you accept other people's viewpoint with with your conviction and what you're convicted in, that's OK. But when people get convicted in something to where they don't want to hear your opinion, they don't want to hear your viewpoint, they don't want nothing to do with you unless it's aligned with what they're saying. Man. People are missing out, dude. People are missing out on opportunities, potential friendships. Just so much out there, just if you have that immature mentality in life.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of, like, everybody's a team and I, well, I told you, I love your music, I love death metal. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's like if I listen to pop music, and only pop music, like a high schooler, I go, oh well, I can't talk to ben. He's in that other crowd. He listens to that, that satanic music, that evil music. He doesn't like katie perry and he doesn't like pink. Screw him. But that's how, dude, life would be boring too if we all had the same beliefs, the same likes. We all wanted to vote for the same person. So I really don't understand that. But you know, speaking of Andy Elliott dude, it just popped in my head his creeper pants, which I told you I had to see those five. I worked for another guru, patrick Bedavid, for like five months, six months, and it felt like 10 years. Fucking guy. Everybody would always ask me what's it like working for, you know, their guru?
Speaker 3:And it's like what is it? What is it like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's like the motherfucker doesn't even know my name. Dude, I could be literally six months with the guy without, and it wasn't like we were in a company of like 5 000, 10 000 people, less than like 30 people, 40 people, and he would not talk to unless you were like you know, his inner circle. But andy elliott was at at his event posturing because you know he brought his, his crew and they he bought him a watch and he just wanted to, you know, have his two minutes of fame and it it was just like a a pissing contest, but not only a pissing contest. Uh, it was like a miss america pageant, just between like all instead of ultimate cage fighting like ultimate douchebags, man just fucking going at it and it's like but I don't understand man, has it always been like that that we have gurus just based on their bank account and just based on their social media following?
Speaker 3:Yeah, unfortunately, man, that's what it's become. Has it always been that way? In some sense, I would probably agree, man. Unfortunately, when someone starts glorifying money, then they start looking at their version of success being whoever has the most money. What's even crazier is nobody knows how much money these people really have.
Speaker 2:Dude, I can say I'm a billionaire. I can say I've got, my net worth is 50 million. Are you going? To audit me.
Speaker 3:Are you the IRS Exactly? It's all bull. I mean, after the experiences I've been through, I would almost agree it's bullshit. I don't know what the numbers are, I don't care. I don't give a fuck how much money you have at this point. I care what kind of person you are. Man, I don't equate the amount of money you have to success. I've been saying this quite a bit too, because this comment gets brought up on all the podcasts I do. They're like well, grant or Andy Elliott or these guys must be doing something good because they have a bunch of money. I'm like look, just because someone has acquired a lot of money doesn't mean that they acquired it in an ethical manner and doesn't mean the way they did it shouldn't be illegal. Like I think people just look at money as the end all be all of everything. Like trust me, money could be used for good more and more times than not. It seems like in the entrepreneurial space and the coaching space, it's being used for bad entrepreneurial space and the coaching space is being used for bad.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, we all talk about the granddaddies of personal and business development. Zig Ziglar never once mentions. You know, step on others Right. Humiliate others, always said. Be in service, jim Rohn. All these people were always talking about helping others and it wasn't a help. Well, can you afford a ticket? If you can't screw you, we're not helping you right.
Speaker 3:you know it's crazy man. I watched a video with Grant and Damon John. They will definitely try. They will convince you to spend your last fucking penny with them. They will encourage you to go bankrupt because this is the best decision for you. And it was a thousand dollar program. And Grant asked him and he's like what would you tell these people that are watching if they only had a thousand dollars? They haven't bought any Christmas presents yet. It's their last thousand dollars. Should they spend this thousand dollars with us? And he's like oh yeah, a hundred percent, absolutely Every penny of it. And it's like why would you fucking tell somebody that they're telling people to take out their 401k?
Speaker 2:invested with them. They'd be like. They're like what do you got? What do you got? Let's, let's max out your credit cards. Let's pull a heloc on your home. I want it all. Give it to me. It's an investment. Okay, what do you? What don't you understand that thousand dollars, your last thousand dollars, you're gonna create, easily, you know, residual income. You'll be living in Trump Towers off of Central Park. Dude, that $1,000 is pennies when you think about it in a long-term investment.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, what are they going to trickle back? 20 cents a month for the next 30 years, Ben?
Speaker 2:I don't want you to think about the $1,000. I don't want you to think about the thousand dollars. I don't want you to think about the cost of the thousand dollars. I want you to ask yourself what's it costing you To not do it, yeah, To not do this, to not invest this? Who will now no longer be in your life? Ben? You know, leave you, will people be dying around you? You're gonna, I'm gonna let my family down yeah, who? Who will you let down by not purchasing this thousand?
Speaker 3:dollar product and dude. This is the type of shit that really fucks with people. And the bet. I just did a post about that. I've seen that.
Speaker 3:But, um, I was about how, cause I keep hearing those comments too, like you must be an idiot to fall for this shit. You only fools get uh roped into this stuff. Look guys, it happens to the best of people, doesn't matter, you can be super smart, confident. I was talking, I was using Dana White as an example right, how he got caught up with Gary Brekka's 10x health bullshit. Right, he's a smart dude, he's a confident dude. How is it that he got caught up and heard gary brekka say look, I'm gonna do a genetic test on you, I'm gonna draw your blood and, based on that blood testing, I'm gonna tell you the exact day you're gonna die. And he was like, oh my god, I believe him. Like how fucking now, I'm not naive, I've been through it. I'm not naive enough to be like dane is a fucking idiot. I just know it can happen to the best of them, it doesn't matter, it doesn't discriminate man. Deception will fucking get to anybody if you're not paying attention well, dude, what you're.
Speaker 2:Also what people don't realize is all these games are pharmaceutical. There's no holistic approach for any of these people to be way past their prime and all of a sudden get muscles Right. There's no vitamin C, there's nothing out there. I think Major League Base baseball proved that already, not too long ago. But you know, here we are senior, you know our gurus, our, our leaders. Just you know age, not only gracefully, but, dude, pr if their lifts get muscular right, they get all jacked at 60 defy all the odds.
Speaker 2:It's all about um the red light therapy, if you, you know me at 50, if I do a couple of sessions of that, that, all it is, you know, and take a couple of extra Flintstone vitamins.
Speaker 3:That's funny dude.
Speaker 2:The one thing, though, Ben when it comes to all these personal business development people, they'll turn your. You said it best. We want you to get the home equity loan. We want you to max out the credit cards. We want you to rob a bank if you can, but once that money runs out, they're gone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, oh gosh, yes, that's when you find out. That's that's what I've been telling people too. It's so funny to hear these comments, a lot of people that make these comments too, on these podcasts. They've never even really done a big investment, so they have no idea. So they're like oh well, you know, it's because you didn't apply yourself, or it's because you did something wrong, or something like that like, or, or something. There's always an excuse and it's like okay, if you don't believe me, why don't you invest $10,000 and find out for yourself? Really, it doesn't take long. I promise you invest $10,000 and just get in the room and go ahead and do something. You're going to find out really fucking quick. They don't care about anything but your money. The next thing they're going to want to do is all, right, now you went 10. Let's go to 30 or 40 now that's the next step for you. There's always another level, man. There's always another level which? Yeah, and then that just reminds me there's never graduation.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's never your nirvana, there's always more, there's always more.
Speaker 2:More to invest in there's vip ultra exclusive masterminds there's, you know they, they one up themselves each and every time and then they build you up in a frenzy because you know the FOMO, the FOMO, and once, dude, once you're fully invested and you're not hitting those numbers that that you think you, you should, you, you start grasping at straws, you start believing anything, you're like, well, maybe it's one last event, maybe this big one, this is where it's all at. I need, need to do this, I need to go out on this retreat. I need, I need to sign up for another year, I need to do the, the, the podcast stages, whatever. I need to do all of that. And then it's like I mean one day we can say and then it's like I mean one day we can say, hey, invest with us with this program and we will get you on the big podcast.
Speaker 2:We'll get you on to the Andy Frisola's, the Ed Milet's, but before we do that, we have Omar Medrano, the what If it Didn't Work? Podcast. You know, we got you a slot there. You paid us the big bucks. Now you could have just asked. Nicely he would have done it because he's a nice guy. But while you're waiting for those guys, while you're waiting for the Trent Shelton and Andy Frisella. You know we got that and it's dude and that's a true story.
Speaker 3:I, I know it's true. Yeah, a hundred percent, dude. You know what's funny? Man is thinking back on all the shit that I paid for and all the courses and and not just talking about grant his 10 X nonsense. But um, oh, and that's another thing I'll talk about is is something different here Good messages, but when I think about all the shit I took, god man, I've taken a lot of like speaker classes, competitions to for like public speaking, and then and then I've done other investments, thank God, I've made some good ones, like with Bradley that was a good investment done other investments Thank God, I've made some good ones, like with Bradley, that was a good investment.
Speaker 3:But the investments I made with just the Cardone organization, god, I think I took 10X stages twice, 10x business bootcamp. I've probably done two of those, the 10X 360, the business summit. I think there's been more, that's for sure. I I've lost fucking track, dude. I. And then I did a 10 X business bootcamp for grant with our with uh, one of our other, uh, fellow licensees that I won't drop their name or anything but we did one for them in Philadelphia. None of that shit helped me, none of it. None of it was in alignment with me, dude. It all felt wrong and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working. Why? The reason why is because that's not the way you treat people, and they're teaching me to do things that I don't. I'm just that's not my character, dude. It's not in my character to manipulate, force, interrogate, harass, bully. That's just not the way I want to treat people.
Speaker 2:And that's why I fought with it the entire time, and that's why I wasn't successful is because I did not. I was struggling. Your spirit, dude, you're deep down inside. That's not who you are, you're not a fucking cold stone killer. You actually have morals.
Speaker 3:I care about people, man, and so that's why I struggled with it, and I think a lot of people struggle with it for the exact same reason they just don't. They either don't know what's going on, or they know it and they're holding back and they don't want to talk about it. There's, there's, a lot of reasons, man.
Speaker 2:I think it's like what I told you earlier, dude. I think a lot of it is once you're fully invested and you feel like if I rock the boat, then I'll never be able to be in the inner circle yeah, it's the community. I'll never be able to be friends on one basis, you won't get your ROI back.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of things that play a factor, man. That's why I keep telling people these make these dry comments like that's like. It's not that simple. There's plenty of reasons why people get sucked into it. There's plenty of reasons why they get locked into it. There's just so much more to it, which is why I'm so passionate about talking about this.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, here I'll say something on a silly level, but it's 100% true. I mean, yes, you play death metal, you play speed metal, metal, but but on the other side of it, a lot of people all of a sudden start listening to gangster rap, start listening to, all of a sudden, all the way up by fat joe, not because they're puerto rican, not because they're from new york, but just because they hear it all the time. And they're like well, I got to have Snoop Dogg, I got to. It's like, did you always listen to this? No, but if my guru does, I mean I feel like an asshole. I'm left handed man.
Speaker 2:Ben, should I start writing and doing things with my right hand? Because every guru I've ever known is right handed dude, I feel like a dick. That's the mentality, though right, you ever known is right-handed dude, I feel like a dick. That that's the mentality, though right. You see all of these people all of a sudden going, yeah, all the way up, and it's like and then, not only that, dude, but they lose everybody. Everybody has something to sell. And what always pissed me off was they're always in full merch and always promoting someone that's already uber successful and wealthy instead of just fucking 100% doubling down and promoting themselves.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah, no. Are you talking about someone that's promoting, for instance? Are you talking about someone that's like promoting, like, for instance? Are you talking about like promote me, promoting Grant, or something?
Speaker 2:Well, dude, anybody we've been in the inner circle. We've seen people, you know, we've seen people that just on social media they're decked out. Could be 10 X. Could be Tony Robbins stuff Could be yeah, yeah, robin stuff could be yeah, yeah, yeah, and they live and breathe. They'll quote the shit out of them on social media. They start acting like them and all their posts. Instead of promoting their business, they're they're promoting a conference. They're they're promoting a upw, they're promoting whatever they're. Every guru has a million different they start promoting their own shit. Um, they're they're guru stuff and they never promote what they actually do. And to me that's mind-blowing.
Speaker 3:that is mind-blowing, but you know now that I've been it, been in it, been through that, and I was that person, excuse me, um, I was definitely one of those people, man I was. My truck was decked out with 10X. I remember that. My shit dude, everybody who's seen my face probably only thought of 10X and Grant, it was so deeply rooted. It's still hard to even get rid of some of the stuff that's littered on social media. Still out there it says 10 X. I'm like, fuck, I lost the account for that. I can't even, I can't even erase it. I'm like there's stuff just so embedded out there with me and me being so engrossed in it. But, uh, you're right, I, I was so heavily it was, it was. It's like glorifying somebody like a God. It really is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I said like if they could walk out. And you know it's, it's almost Easter, like you know they're the second coming of Christ, or if you're Jewish, you know the second coming of Moses, or the Messiah has finally arrived. Yeah, it's crazy because literally when they go into a room, like if you pay the extra to have lunch, to listen to five minutes of your guru speak, it's like the dalai lama, the pope, george washington, jesus christ and jim morrison all walked up into the room together right, everybody be quiet what are we going to hear, what are we going to find out that we haven't heard already, over and over and over again?
Speaker 3:isn't that crazy. And everybody's literally paying that much money thousands, tens of thousand dollars just in hopes of getting a fucking picture with them. Dude, um, again, I was one of these people, so I know it's real. It's not me talking shit, so it's kind of. That's why I say it's a good thing I went through, because I'm not just a spectator making an opinion. I was one of these people, and I'm not the only one. I don't even know. You might. Maybe you've went through this at one point too.
Speaker 2:Dude, I literally spent all my money on all the gurus dude. So, dude, I literally spent all my money on all the gurus, dude. So, dude, I'm letting you talk. Have you seen me correct you? Have you seen me denounce you? Have you seen me in this interview? Have you ever gotten a text message from me or a phone call saying you're full of shit? I'm just like because you know, clearly I laugh because everything you're saying is I see myself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of people you know, um, I will speak for people you know it's. I also realize that, like, there's a lot, of a lot of people that they're like're, like I don't need to talk about it, but they do appreciate the fact that I'm talking about it, and if you guys get enjoyment out of me talking about it and helping people that way fucking A dude I will do it. That's why I always promote the. That's why I had that commission artwork done with me the David and Goliath with me. I don't know if you've seen that picture, but it's me and it's got Grant and Andy Elliott and Wes Watson as Titans, where they look all like you know, a little evil and shit, um, but yeah, it's uh, that's the whole comp. The whole purpose of that is because that is one of my callings is to actually be like a modern day David versus Goliath, and the Goliath being the self-serving entrepreneurs out here fucking, deceiving people and destroying their lives. Dude, I got to bring this up, though, because I think you know the way I got into it, the way I got hooked, is, you don't even necessarily have to have a problem, for me, I was doing great.
Speaker 3:My best year was during COVID. But when COVID happened, the whole economy had a little bit of uncertainty and so that little bit of uncertainty kind of crept its way into me, even though I was still doing good. I didn't even know it. But that was my best year and I didn't stop. I kept promoting and doing jobs, even against people's criticism online, saying, bro, you're out here keeping the pandemic going, whatever in my construction business. But when I talk about this experience, about how I listened to the 10x rule right, and I'm hearing these things like this is crazy dude to me thinking about this now it's almost like NLP. It's like I hear Grant saying stuff like yeah, you're operating at low levels, and I'm like I am like, yeah, you have a problem. I'm like I do like, yeah, you're, you're not 10x in your life. I'm not. I'm just like it's seed planting dude and it's fucking crazy. It's.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say what it's based on. We spoke about it earlier.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's all the workings. Does it rhyme with liantology? Yeah, that's that's why I laugh, because people that are I would never do that or and I'm like, well, um, I mean, you, you're, you're reading it and you're practicing it. You know, you're doing stuff that. You know everything from the opening. You know the space opening before every 10x with the voice from God, which is just GC digitally altered.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, you're right, that is quite crazy.
Speaker 2:Dude, now that I told you that you're like holy shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I see that 100% the way that's structured. You have the opening of that.
Speaker 2:You have the writings. But yeah, dude, the thing that I always tell people, I tell people my videos, and you know people hate me, for it is all we need.
Speaker 2:We already have everything inside, dude oh that's one of my favorite sayings yeah you know, nobody needs to pay 100k, 50k, you don't need to pay for all this shit, dude. Yeah, you don't need somebody to tell you it's common sense. Do things on a consistent basis. Let's see, don't fuck around, don't overspend, unless it's on a, on a mentor. I'm just like and. But you know everybody's like holy shit, this is crazy. And I I realize that you know everybody's like holy shit, this is crazy. And I realize that you know nobody none of them for the past 40, 50 years, has said anything that was fucking earth shattering. Yeah, everything is just basic common sense stuff and it's all packaged. Yep, you want to walk on fire, you want to do little hand symbols.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then it's like a game. You know, it was hard for me, since I was the type of fucking idiot that spent money everywhere, so I couldn't choose a side.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the reason why the guru always shits on the other guy is because he's his direct competition. Yeah, people have a limited amount of funds you have a limited amount of funds but but if they're truly altruistic and wanted to see people happy and succeed, they'd be like dude, I don't care, I just want you to be happy, I just want you to succeed.
Speaker 2:It's like it's like a religious leader. You don't see, you know Pope Francis say, you know what, fuck the protestants. But you see, that's how it goes, like if. If you're like, you know, if we're at a brendan burschard event and we're like dude, what do you think about anthony robbins? Or what do you think about grant cardone? Like dude, just doesn't do it for you, but you know what will do it for you. I have another event coming up. This one's going to take you over the top.
Speaker 3:This one is going to fucking shatter the earth, like you said. Yeah, man, it's the way I sell now is really not trying to that whole need and should. I would never tell somebody. You need this, you need me, you should do this. It's not up to me, dude, it's up to you. Yes, I have a product and a service. Yes, I have a mentorship program. Yes, I have all this, I got a community, but it's up to you. I'm never going to tell you about it unless you ask. And it's up to you to discern whether or not I'd be a good fit or you'll get value from me or you would benefit from getting involved in what I have. I'm not here to fucking force you or manipulate or convince. That's for amateurs, man. Amateurs convince and impress Immature people. People do that. When you think about it, dude, that's all middle school shit. Middle schoolers bully, middle schoolers, harass middle schoolers, put fear in you, right to get you to do something. This is all immature behavior that these dudes are operating with. But yeah, I would never.
Speaker 2:it's what's a good fit and people should think that is that dude, you and I are who we are. Could we literally take someone's last 500 bucks worth of like here? Here I'll give you a piece bad. Everything's overdrawn. I know you have a mentorship program. Dude, I'm drowning. This is my last five hundred dollars. Can you please coach me? Would you honestly be like, yeah, fuck, yeah I would coach for free.
Speaker 3:Yes, I wouldn't take your fucking money, I'd be like I'd be.
Speaker 2:Like that's not your personality dude yeah, that that exact scenario.
Speaker 3:If someone was like bro, would you coach me? I, I only have $500. I'd be like dude, keep the fucking $500. I've already done this. I've mentored people for free already and I still contact these people and donate time and hop on calls and stuff like that and help them with whatever they're struggling with. Usually lately it's been a lot of mindset shit. So for someone who is on their last $500, be like, perfect, keep the $500, put it to wherever you think it'd be the best allocated towards and let's focus on, like the mindset thing. Like how do we get you to focus on the things that are gonna create relationships and hopefully bring you more money in the long run? Man, yeah, it's not about the fucking money, dude. Like the money will come and it's the way you treat people. Like money's. Money's been falling in my lap people, opportunities, um, things have been coming to me because all I'm focused on is creating meaningful relationships and actually caring about people. Imagine that dude.
Speaker 2:I would feel like I couldn't sleep at night If I was pressure selling people that couldn't afford dick to buy my shit, my mentoring or coaching or buy my books Like, dude you want, you can't afford it. A lady at the gym's like, oh, it's not, you can't afford it. A lady at the gym's like, oh, I, it's not that I can't afford it. I don't want my husband to know that I bought a like I gave her the book. And I remember my girlfriend at the time she's like you gave her the book. Was that really, you know, by by self-published book.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to jump on Oprah's couch now. Oh man, always be in service. You and I help out plenty of fucking people that are broke. I've never turned down and that's why on people's podcasts or people always ask me I'm like dude, I'm like the frigging St Jude of personal and business development, because I'll answer whatever shit you want. Just don't try to sell me Forex, Don't try to sell me crypto and don't say, hey, you look like shit because you're 50. But you know, come join me and I'll make you look like you're 20.
Speaker 3:Some testosterone. We're going to hook you up some testosterone pills.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, you never get those DMs. Dude, you look like shit. It's like, wow, this is a great way to sell. Could you imagine, I mean, what guru teaches that man? It's like you know you're selling timeshare and you're like you came into this fucking presentation looking like that you can't fucking afford this overinflated piece of garbage that you're going to be paying up the wazoo and fees escalating every year.
Speaker 3:I love when. I love when people you might've gotten these before they're like hey, uh, I love your content. It's looking great. I noticed your website. It's not ranking well though. I noticed your social media is performing low. Man, I'd love to help you. It's just like bro, it's not the way to start a sales pitch. You come in here and insult me but, dude, the best is when you look at their shit, I know, and it's like, are you serious?
Speaker 2:You have like 200 followers and you're going to fucking monetize me. You're going to get me up on Kardashian levels.
Speaker 3:Dude, and that that's something I talk about quite a bit Actually. Um, this whole today, the coaches and mentors normally are are telling you shit they don't do themselves or they don't operate their own life with, or they have never done themselves. This is it's this whole do as I say, not as I do approach and that's not being talked about enough, like, if you pay close attention, you will find out. These people do not believe the very thing that they're trying to promote you to do. Well, dude the influencers.
Speaker 2:You know the gurus are influencers in their own right. We laugh, and you know the people in these rooms. You know about the Kardashians and their followers. And if Kim says, you know, frigging, eat this, you know everybody will start eating that. They're no fucking different, to quote Nine In nails, frent reisner dude, we're all just star fuckers. Just just a different. You know different people, whether it's an athlete, whether it's a singer, whether you know it's some self-professed. You know rags to riches.
Speaker 2:This guy can walk on water story, it's all the same, dude it is man it just seems funny when you say you know, oh, I'll, I'm gonna buy this hair product because kim, but. But it's no different than like ed, my lad, or andy for solo, or you know anybody saying hey, buy this yeah, it isn't no different, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And again, nobody talks about that, no one admits that stuff. But it's very true, dude, like that whole brand, which is why, to your point, like you should be branding yourself, you should be promoting yourself, not these other people. Man, and especially, I think it's important if you're a good hearted person, which I, you know, I like to think I am, and I know you you are those are the type of people we need to know more about. Other people need to know more about the proper way to treat people, not promoting and branding these other people that are out here doing business and sales the wrong way. In my opinion, it's just unethical we.
Speaker 2:I'll give you a funny one. Pat sells these zooms, patrick bet david overpriced zooms for mentoring and guy pays good money fucking small business owner. And patrick bet david just starts fucking, ripping him, berating him, bullying him for like 10 minutes straight and everybody's cheering him on. Everybody thinks this is awesome and you know a sane person would be like what the fuck am I paying this clown for? But instead the guy's like oh, thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Stockholm Stockholm syndrome, yeah.
Speaker 2:Stockholm, yeah, you know that's like. Are you? Yeah, yeah, stockholm, stockholm, yeah, this, you know that's like. Are you for real? Uh, you know, we treat these guys. Nowhere does it say you know, jesus, you know ripped his disciples and told them they're fucking assholes. Please, jesus, more berate us, treat us like crap. But it's like that man, it's like as a business owner. If the guru is trying to show us how to treat customers, all of them do it in a very crazy fucking way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, an offensive way.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In a condescending way, in a disrespectful way. Exactly that's a condescending way, in a disrespectful way. Exactly that's not the way to earn people's trust. It's backwards and you're dude. I don't know if you've heard me talk about that that connection I made with people doing that about the Stockholm syndrome, but that's a very real thing. That's happening. Andy Elliott does it very well. He'll have you come on stage, take your fucking shirt off, call you fat and say I'm telling you this because I care about you. And then you start getting brainwashed, thinking oh yeah, he does care about me. I'm going to spend $10,000 with him and, like you, just go down the rabbit hole, man.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, I'm old school, I just feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:Guy wearing a pair of pants where I could see his gonads, you know I would be like, yeah, I'd be like you know, andy, yeah, Wearing a, as, as our good friend Chris likes to say, uh, andy, wearing his sister's pants.
Speaker 2:I got to see him live, uh, at the Patrick by David vault conference, like for four days. It was like, dude, you actually got to see his ankles. Yeah, it's like you know, wow, Uh, yeah, I don't want to emulate you in any way, but yeah, dude, it's, it's like what you said Do do as I say, don't don't do as cause you know, if you told any, yeah, I own a pizza shop, but, man, I keep on running away my customers. I keep on telling them they're fat fucks and they're ugly.
Speaker 2:I've told a few women that they're ugly, that their kids are ugly that they need to fucking start eating healthier, and you know, but why can my guru do that? But I can't. Right, exactly, yeah, you know, but why, why, why, why could my guru do that? But I can't.
Speaker 3:Right, exactly. Yeah, you know, it's funny, man, if you, if you've noticed, uh, grant does this too. Um, you ever noticed that? Like, uh, I think he did it at the last growth conference I I went to, uh, last year. Um, he's basically talking about how you know, you know, hey, everybody at the front here with the diamond tickets paid ten, twenty thousand dollars to be up here. All you people in the back that paid a thousand to come to this event. You should be coming up here. I want to see you here next year, because in the back of the room you ain't learning shit. In the back of the rooms, where all the fucking losers are at, like, he's literally talking shit to his people in the audience and it's like, bro, I paid to come here.
Speaker 2:Like you're gonna talk shit to me, to these people are spending money that they don't have, leaving a business that's failing going. You know, flying to vegas or flying to miami, flying to Vegas or flying to Miami just to hopefully get an idea that's going to be a home run and that's it. And the best part is it's $20,000 for the first row, but the second row and whatever it's $10,000. So literally, you're paying an extra $10,000.
Speaker 2:To move two feet back, yeah, or two feet forward and I mean we're trying to be alpha males, so you're paying an extra 10k so you could be closer to men and the semen. I mean it's not miss hawaiian tropics, it's not like q hefner's, you know playboy mansion I mean, but they bring dude, they sell out those like, like.
Speaker 3:Oh, I bought five of those so you spent 100k, oh yeah, I was one of those people too, man, I bought three diamond tickets last year and, um, I think it was. You know there's 7500 a piece. So you do the math you almost 25k or 24k or whatever that was. But stupid is what it was.
Speaker 2:Oh dude I didn't and you didn't, you didn't, you, you? There was something wrong about you, there was something that you didn't do. Yeah, yeah, easily made an extraily made an extra $250,000.
Speaker 3:If I would have just applied myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah dude, there there is something. There's something deeply inside you, deeply rooted. That cause it was. It was something emotional that you were going through, Maybe a fear of success. Ben, do you have that?
Speaker 3:fear of success. Yeah, man, the reality is, the people that paid $1,000 to be in the room heard the exact same thing that the people that paid $20,000 paid in the room. They heard the same thing. Sure, they went to a different um. Go to the parties, yeah and sure. They went to a different lunch, right, where they got to be upsold while they're eating their lunch at a different um, aggression level, there's that. But then they also, yes, went to an overrated fucking party that was like a gymnasium that was rented out. Um, like dude. Last year's party was lame, dude, so lame and it was like freezing ass cold outside. I was like what? Like where's I paid for? Like where'd all the money go? Like we're like, if I paid this much and everybody else paid this much, where the fuck did the money go? I think I know where it went to the food.
Speaker 2:You, you got breakfast, correct, you got. And you got snacks. You got the bottled waters, you got the the evian the top of the line water. Yeah, yeah, dude, the people sitting in the thousand dollar seats, man, they're fucking idiots yeah, are they or they were the smartest people there.
Speaker 2:Actually, on the contrary, I remember uh, you're gonna laugh two years ago, the one in in miami, in aventura, and these two guys, I think they they did bail bonds or something like that. We were all fools at the time. He's like you want to know who the smartest people are? I'm like no, but I'm sure you're going to tell me. He's like yeah, they're two dudes from Atlanta, the people in the back. He's like we paid $10,000 for these seats and those people only had to pay a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're all looking at the same thing. Exactly that's what it's about, man, yeah but did they get to see Fat Joe on a boat? Probably not, probably not, probably not.
Speaker 3:I don't care about Fat Joe and nobody listens to. Grant doesn't listen to Fat Joe. Grant doesn't listen to Nelly. Grant doesn't listen to fricking who's that guy's name that he had there, flo Rida? He doesn't listen to any of those people. It's just all a. You know, just a.
Speaker 2:No way Are you. Are you telling me sick middle, middle guys in their mid sixties aren't, aren't listening to Snoop Dogg? No, dude, you're full of shit man. I don't. I'm 50 and I'll listen to that shit yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, we're keeping it real uh I don't think true I don't think grant is but oh yeah, no, completely dude.
Speaker 2:I I can talk to you for hours and hours because you know we're like-minded people. I you always made me laugh at our trainings or whatever those certifications or whatever the fuck those those, you know, grab ass.
Speaker 3:Things are that we all have pins for glorified, fucking glorified pieces of paper that give you an overrated third party validation. Dude, that's such fucking garbage. It's so funny. John maxwell, tony robbins they all have it they all have it dude. None of it makes you more valuable, none of it, but it's because it's it makes us feel good inside man.
Speaker 2:That's what this whole fucking episode's about. We, we all want to be long, we all want to feel loved, we all want to feel like we're different, like we're better, we're extraordinary than everybody else. Yeah, yeah, that's the number one selling point dude I was.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you what man. That was kind of a really good uh. There was a video I did where I actually cut up my uh card and certificate, um, on a reel and I was like, damn, that feels good man. It's like I used to glorify that stupid little laminated piece of paper so much and to be able to just like not give a shit about any of that was was actually quite liberating and a huge sense of mental freedom, which is what a lot of people are lacking, man.
Speaker 2:So, like for Diana Ross, were you singing? I'm coming out. You want the world to know you're done with that bullshit. Yeah, man, dude, this is your time to promote. I know you're bashful. He has a book. I'm going to make him fucking promote his book. I'm going to make him promote. Everybody has to watch his social media. Yeah, yeah, so I will promote. Dude, it's entertaining, but more than it, you're actually teaching, which makes it even better 100%, dude.
Speaker 3:Yes, I have a mission here and, yeah, 100% seriousness. I'm dead serious on changing the sales and business industry and what's been taught. And so I'm starting my own podcast and it's going to be. And so I'm starting my own podcast and it's going to be the misguided mentor. So check that out on YouTube, follow me, subscribe. I'm just starting to get the traction on that and really starting to funnel people that direction. And then, yeah, instagram, benjamin John M I C, I do a lot of reels and stuff like that where, again, like Omar said, I'm trying to entertain people and also bring the truth in the in uh, in that simultaneously. But, yeah, man, I got a passion to help people, dude, and that was something I was lacking, and my, my, through my true authenticity has allowed me to get my passion back and and talk about something I truly believe in man, and that's helping people and caring for people. So you're going to, you're going to hear me get louder and louder, man, keep your eyes peeled. Oh, I know that without a doubt.
Speaker 2:And you forgot about the book, dude. I read the book so that if I thought it was a piece of shit, I'd be crickets. We wouldn't even, we would have never mentioned it.
Speaker 3:So the book I'll. I'll talk about the, the book, but the book really isn't relative as much right now, until I put out the third book, because you're going to be able to juxtaposition. It's a trilogy. Yeah, dude, dude, talk about it. Yeah, so there it is. I was a misguided mentor I talked about. So it is a. It's a good book in its essence, but some of these chapters you can tell I was brainwashed and I adopted someone else I like the coming up book dude, yeah, you're, that's.
Speaker 2:That's the gist. I love that part about it that that's what everybody can get. You know you and me most people that found any success were eating shit, were fuck-ups at point, and we rose to the occasion. That's what I get out of that book. I don't get it.
Speaker 3:That's the fucking selling point yeah, and the story yeah, the half of the book is just my story of yeah becoming an entrepreneur, and so that story is not going to change and there's a lot of value in that. But when I do come out with today's misguided mentors, you'll be able to juxtaposition this book and that book and you'll be like, holy shit, I can see the, the progression and the transcending that has taken place. But, yeah, anybody could, of course, go pick this up, um, but I'm really going to be promoting and talking about this a little bit more once I put out today's misguided mentors, because then I'm telling you, man, that's going to hit the market in a very, very different way. Nobody's talking about these, these chapters. I got like 32 chapters and they're all very, very far left or far far some direction.
Speaker 2:Dude and I'm going to ask you this question and almost 150 episodes or whatever I lost count I I, instead of asking about you know overcoming, or what advice I'm going the opposite way. What words of wisdom do you have for that person? That's a seminar junkie A seminar junkie.
Speaker 2:Yes, that goes to any of these. They're all the same, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's on going in the ATM, keeps on maxing out their credit cards, keeps on trying to find money. But they're too afraid to walk away. They're too afraid to think. Maybe their success has always just been within themselves.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, you touched base on it a little bit earlier and you said exactly what I. What I say verbatim is that's you know, everything that we need or is is inside of us, and there's a lot of truth in that. And so with that, I would also say, like, get to know yourself. In knowing yourself, You're going to be able to say no to people. You're going to be able to not care about what people think about you. Now, when I when I say don't care what people think about you, you have to also care about people in that process. So if you can combine those two simultaneously, there's a lot of mental freedom in there and there's a lot of you have the ability to now make an impact with people because you're being genuinely honest.
Speaker 3:But I would just say, for the people that you think, or the people that think they need to keep throwing money at events and stuff like that and get in proximity and all that shit, it's all bullshit. It is all bullshit. Get in touch with your conscience and your intuition to do the right thing, and then all the right people, all the right resources, all the right opportunities they'll be put in front of you at the exact right time. You don't have to chase it. You're going to know it when it's right and it's up for you to discern that. And if your conscience is clouded, you're not going to be able to make that proper decision.
Speaker 2:Finally, I love this guy. Follow him. I don't blow smoke up people's ass. He's the real deal, True guy. Love your family, dude. We got to meet up. I was a vegan. What I told you? I was a vegan for two years. So, we can't have dinner because I can't eat vegetarian. But, dude, I love seeing the courage I love seeing the fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks, man, I appreciate that I reciprocate that and a person that can't be bought. Yes, you are your true self and you don't give a fuck what other people feel and think about that, because you're not trying to buy your way into success, you're not trying to buy your way into any inner circle. You are in your own lane, your own highway and, dude, you're helping out other people. You are in service.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, man. That means a lot and I appreciate the acknowledgement. Brother, definitely love you too, man, and we'll always stay connected. And guys like you I always want to keep in and people like you and me that are on that same frequency I always stay in connection with man, definitely adding value to each other. So I appreciate you acknowledging that man.
Speaker 2:And also Ben, such a cool guy. I had car issues Because it's a fucking Tesla, that's all they ever have, and he was cool, waiting an hour for me. So that shows you the type of guy that Ben is, and he didn't charge me A late. Alright, brother, thanks. Alright, brother, take care. What if it did work?