BabyJake | This Is An Experiment #107

In this episode, join Baby Jake and his band, The Mojo, as they bring their infectious energy to the stage. Baby Jake shares his experiences on tour, from playing festivals to college shows, and the importance of building a dedicated fan base. Discover the power of intimate performances and the impact they have on connecting with new fans. Explore the evolving music industry, where independent artists have more opportunities to reach diverse audiences through platforms like TikTok and radio. Gain insights into the mindset of an artist and the importance of staying true to oneself while navigating the music business. Join this captivating conversation as Baby Jake and his band share their passion for music and their dedication to delivering memorable experiences to their audience.

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(00:00) [Music] experience is the experiment [Music] Baby Jake the band we are here we are back welcome back in the Mojo now baby Jake and the Mojo they bring the Mojo yeah they are yeah well you so everybody obviously you've been on Baby Jake they know who you are who's everybody else I'm price nice to meet you guys this is Max right here this is Mitch we're we're low on mics right now so we're sharing the mic that's okay that's what we do on stage we sing together yeah like that so you guys just got here from
(00:42) Nebraska you were saying yeah and you were what are you on tour just playing singles right now um I'm doing like festivals and College dates because I think we kind of made the commitment to tour and fall like do a full full run like a big headline National run and fall and then over summer just kind of like uh I guess like adapt new fans rather than sell to the fans that are already existing you know and they're getting their tickets anyway dude every like we played Nebraska and it was probably like
(01:16) only like 200 kids or something it wasn't crazy but like dude I said I'm selling merch over here like I made t-shirts for you guys I'm taking pictures of everybody there's probably out of the 200 kids there's probably 150 kids that stood in line see and that's the thing the conversion is like crazy you know people love to see their their shows packed but when you're not doing these people aren't coming back and there's no retention yeah and they don't know who the [ __ ] you are and you get
(01:38) like dude you leave and you have like 100 new Instagram followers or 200 new Instagram like like when we played CMU I got like probably 500 300 400 500 followers it's not even a huge school you know and like they were going crazy that sounds like my last four years being on Instagram 500 new followers uh yeah the custom shirts was a smart idea I did like a specific design different than the one that I saw with yeah no this was just for Hastings college did you sell out of those I sold 30 of them I did 40. so like I mean that
(02:11) first show of 200 people that's a ridiculous margin am I honestly it might have been like 150 people like it was it was not it was their first in the crowd yeah it's fun when it's that uh it's fun when it's that intimate though because like the night before like like having to get to interact with people and see them regularly like the night before some kid hit up Jake and wanted to like Play the song oh yeah Jake was like 1v1 me in basketball and I was like we'll see who's on the basketball team so I told
(02:45) him Hayden Grant is his name uh I told him he was like you should play cigarettes on patio seven times in a row and I was like of course it's a college right so I know I expect it and I love playing the song live now I think it's really fun uh and so I'm like all right fine if you beat me one-on-one a basketball then you'll play then I'll play and he's like all right bet and I was like okay I'll show up at the court at 10 30.
(03:09) and he's like okay we're here waiting for you I'm like you got a size 12 pair of basketball shoes he's like yeah and we just like me and price just went and like it was like 20 kids just watching me one-on-one with this kid you picked the right sport to find size 12 so easily yeah I know yeah they were like we called our coach to make sure we could get in like oh that's honorable yeah it's like stuff like that man that like these kids never like this kid was like it's like in the middle of nowhere you know it's not like uh
(03:34) Alabama or the yeah LSU or it's not a major city exactly it's just like these kids don't have they hadn't done a college I mean a show in like 20 years or something yeah someone was like no they've done shows oh no way yeah I met Mills at uh somebody's Show recently was it uh it was uh uh Feliz yeah he's a nice dude he's a sweetheart he's great he's awesome great he can rock the crowd with like just vocals and guitar you know that was so Random though we both got books in Nebraska yeah oh so it wasn't
(04:07) you didn't bring it it was supposed to be Cody lovas oh yeah that's and we were supposed to go skiing with that one time yeah and then uh Cody I guess pulled out I guess he had some personal things going on and then Mills filled the slot and I don't know I don't know how it worked out but anyways yeah doing festivals doing College dates putting music out I got a single coming out I told you on Friday tomorrow tonight tonight yeah um trying to be consistent independent officially last time I was here I was
(04:38) not independent officially we were talking about that so but but it's uh there's a dichotomy that's so important the fact that you understand what it's like to be signed you understand what you need behind you you had this like initial experience which whatever the outcome is the process teaches you everything you [ __ ] need to know to make every step forward um a better step and hopefully a more educated step a hundred percent I think first of all I don't think labels are bad period totally I I'm not against
(05:12) labels I was at one point I'm not because I'm knowledgeable about what they provide I'm actually probably going to go eventually into another record label deal I don't know whether it's going to be this album or the next album or the next album but I would like to have a team that that one first of all believes in the music and understands music to that will put [ __ ] you know millions of dollars into budgets with essentially just hoping that the outcome is good you know I'm not hoping
(05:41) but like basically preparing themselves to be like all right we're going to invest two million dollars in place in their bet yeah placing the bet you know which I think it you can't it it's still difficult to get that in other places because private investors don't necessarily understand what's going on so much yeah and at the end of the day like the Grassroots marketing [ __ ] still works man like promoting your [ __ ] on Instagram promoting your show on Tick Tock uh [ __ ] promoting your ticket
(06:05) sales doing physical promotions like that [ __ ] still works radio is still a thing like all this [ __ ] you know I don't think anything dies I think you just get more added to the pot so things might become less important on their own they'll do less on their own but there's more options now now that you can split that pie into 50 pieces and have all these separate different chances of hitting different audiences and demographics I think that's great I think uh big time and I think the direction you're going too is clearly
(06:33) very different than the cigarettes and patios days yeah but you know what's interesting is that like it's not that different it's really not because when you play it live it's not different it's not different like you'll come on on Sunday to the Venice West show and you'll see this probably these are probably your first time seeing me proper live second second one was the first here when you played with uh Danny and oh at the echo yeah okay yeah but that was a [ __ ] killer show yeah I thank you I I
(07:04) love that show that was a great venue uh but yeah you get it then you know what I'm saying like it's you play cigarettes on patios with a guitar playing the piano part like we don't have this is this is the whole band I don't have a piano player anymore I don't have uh a percussionist like you have cigarettes on patios being played by an electric guitar the main chords being played by an electric guitar with a rock drummer and rock bass player and me singing it with an attitude and it turns into a rock song yeah it's the
(07:32) intention behind it yeah it it's so like you know like it's crazy I I really I really think there's something to be said about rock and roll I'm just gonna call it rock and roll music I always do this but like live music with live instruments um you know I guess transcending other music whether it's pop or hip-hop or whether it's other even alternative music that's you know an artist going up there with backing tracks yeah it's it's a huge difference like I'm not going to
(08:06) list any names because this is a good friend of mine but we played with somebody recently and the kids started leaving he was the headliner we were the we were the opener and the kids were like leaving sporadically his set to come and chill at the merge with us and I'm like what are you guys doing go check that [ __ ] out they're like that's just kind of boring well we had the DJ age yeah like you can't get more backing track than that and don't get me wrong I did that I think it's an amazing uh there's a time
(08:38) and a place exactly well that's the thing but there's something about seeing somebody on stage where you know that first of all for them to do what they're doing and make it look easy is not easy that's [ __ ] time that's dedication that's sitting in a room by yourself playing one thing over and over until your hands [ __ ] bleed there's something so [ __ ] romantic and sexy about about seeing somebody have the vulnerability to [ __ ] up and still go give it give it their all and there's
(09:02) like kind of just a cosmic nature to a band like you're just there creating it it's beyond like a rehearse set you know what I mean it's like you practice so like you're gonna go up there and play it a certain way but you get up there and really you're just like creating and pulsing just vibing together when you practice so you don't have to on stage you know like that yeah that's that's the free Wreck to having that sort of um ability to connect with the people on stage also finding the right people yeah
(09:27) I mean if you can look at your friend on stage and you have this moment of like I we know what we're doing let's do something different that's that's that's beautiful oh totally I I agree with what price is saying like I know this because I'm a solo artist technically but like and it's hard because sometimes people come up to you and they're like oh well what's your band's name I'm like oh I'm Baby Jake and then I gotta explain I'm the solo artist or the backing band but I kind of hate saying
(09:52) that I kind of stopped one I kind of want to stop saying it and just be like the band's name is Baby Jake we're Baby Jake yeah we're Baby Jake like [ __ ] it who cares one and two like they just it's a force he's right it's like you walk in the room like it doesn't matter we could be in La where everybody like you know you're dressed up nice you look [ __ ] amazing like everybody dresses like not everybody dresses like us but a lot of people dress like us even if we're still pulling up four people deep
(10:18) anywhere even if it's a popping area like LA or New York it's still like a presence yes you feel it you know and like especially when you go up on stage and I think we're trying to make a good effort especially me I'm trying to make good effort at this and I struggled with this in the past but I talked about it last time like we played that show sober you know what I'm saying we're trying to play these shows [ __ ] sober and like come with the right mind to be like yo we want to play the best that we can
(10:45) yeah if we celebrate afterwards or do whatever afterwards like that's great but like to me man like I feel like most people in their 20s are just [ __ ] they're just wasting it well they want to be the rock star they want to be the person we we see these [ __ ] Jim Morrison's and all these people where that we romanticize yeah that don't exist anymore by the way exactly it's the same as the [ __ ] douche back in the day you could get away with things differently people didn't know who you are I mean think
(11:10) about how many [ __ ] amazing artists we found out beat the [ __ ] out of their wives of their kids right right we're just [ __ ] vile people totally that's that was so predominant there's no room for that [ __ ] anymore you can't be an [ __ ] you can't treat people like [ __ ] and there's also enough room for everybody so if you're the person spending your time trying to let everybody else [ __ ] fall to their knees you're you're not spending the time getting better and doing the [ __ ]
(11:33) that really matters totally Bryce was also we were just talking about this what yesterday or the day before like these labels man these companies management labels Publishers they don't keep they don't they don't they don't stick up for that crap anymore man no like there's the next kid that's hustling his ass off in his bedroom that's popping his [ __ ] off on tick tock on Instagram that's making good music like if you give them a heart it's not like throwing stones where they're like
(12:00) escorting on the [ __ ] plane exactly because they're like so [ __ ] strung out but they can't do anything because they're the biggest man in the world like they'll just [ __ ] drop you you know there's room for that yeah they'll drop you and just pick up the next dude and be like you're too big of a pain in the ass there's a better version of everybody out there 100 that's what I'm trying to say is like for me like dude I love partying man like I would if if partying was didn't affect me in a
(12:25) mental state in a physical state and even a physical fitness shape and like on stage and and trying to do what I'm trying to do I'll be [ __ ] partying every night I love cocaine I love [ __ ] drinking I love all that [ __ ] I think it's amazing love women love it all but like for me I look at this and I'm like I'm 26 years old now and I look at it and I'm like man I'm already farther ahead than most people that are my age but like I'm trying to be the I'm trying to compete with like [ __ ]
(12:54) Harry Styles man I'm trying to compete with [ __ ] you know uh Damiano David from Mona skin like these guys who go up on stage and like they're running down the pit and running up the pit and they're not missing a note yeah and like their physical fitness is Peak their their performances Peak like they wake up they're like you know Harry Styles like people think that being a rock star is all fun and games bro like Harry Styles probably waking up at [ __ ] 7 A.M he's like I want that outfit that
(13:21) outfit that outfit then he's like at a pressed and he signed in some [ __ ] then he's doing this then he gets like a little time off then he eats lunch then he has sound check like yeah yeah like dude this is a full-time gig and and my my buddy Josh Scott who I'm doing that side project human like you the dance project with was set at the best he's like man we're like athletes you know we're just a different form of athlete we're not working like I'm not gonna say we're not
(13:45) doing it but we're not working we're not like bench pressing you know 400 pounds like Derrick Henry or whatever like we're we're out here bench pressing with our throw or like with our with our fingers playing the guitar or whatever you know like that's our form of of athletic I guess commitment you can say yeah I I remember I grew up with this artist named Grizz he's a electronic artist oh yeah he's amazing Grant's the [ __ ] man I grew up I knew him gave me my first CD that I had in my first car
(14:13) like knew him really well and I always knew him as a [ __ ] huge Stoner he's I mean that's who he is he's The Wiz Khalifa of the of the EDM world if you will and I saw him go on stage once and I went to hand him a joint he goes I can't smoke I go why he goes because that's for after I have to be a sober is the most sober person in the room wow he's like it's a lot easier to to connect with a drunk person but to be sober is the only way to connect with that sober person in the room oh man
(14:40) totally exactly that's a great way to put it if you can get that person who's in the back of the room who doesn't talk to anybody to be dancing like you're winning man absolutely and you should make sure to like I try to make sure after every like I'm trying to ask everybody you know it's very easy to be like at the merch Booth afterwards I shake somebody's hand and I'm like oh I'm Baby Jake and they don't say anything I always ask them if they're saying I'm like what's your name yeah
(15:02) like you're a human too you know you deserve the experience like I'm here because of you so I feel like to to make every person like he said to make every person even the sober people or maybe excuse me the people that aren't so uh that are maybe a little more internal and keep to themselves to also feel like they had an amazing time yeah give them the opportunity to feel seen and like what you were saying like that conversation with somebody's what they're gonna remember they'll remember your show yeah but they'll
(15:33) remember your show either way but you want them to remember who played that show yeah you know and and why they're gonna go to the next one and why they're going to tell their friends and also give them the opportunity if you feel like the [ __ ] you're writing has validity and can actually help people then it it's your your job to get as many people as you can to go look through that catalog to get the emotion out of it and get the healing and whatever the [ __ ] they need out of it and that's only going to happen if you
(15:58) give them an experience that makes them feel like a [ __ ] human being totally and it's like it's just like it's taking what you do seriously like not necessarily taking yourself seriously but what you do seriously you know like if you're an artist you're probably sought out to go connect with people you know what I mean you're not gonna totally you wouldn't you know propose to your girlfriend Hammer like if you're trying to yeah if you if it's serious to you you want to be there for it and like
(16:21) embellish the moment and like be hyper yeah like I started journaling like six months ago maybe not even probably like four months ago and like dude I just realized how much I don't even remember not not only from from like not even aside from from drugs and alcohol or partying or whatever just like how hard it is to to stay in the moment and like I I'm going through this right now and this is the first time that I feel like in my entire life thus far in my professional career which is not that long like let's say eight
(16:57) years right seven eight years that I just realized like especially when I got independent and when I just like zoned everything out moved to Nashville zoned everything out like dealt with a bad breakup with somebody who I really cared for you know and like all this [ __ ] and just had to internalize and like deal with myself without alcohol without drugs without sex without like you know being signed to a label and them like pushing and hyping you up like just dealing with everything on my shoulders I realized
(17:25) that like I was just being too precious with everything man yeah like I was just being precious I was like I'm not gonna do that I'm too good for that or like I'm not gonna do that I'm not dude my my attitude now is like oh I don't give a [ __ ] who you are like you got a song you could be [ __ ] Joe schmoe you got a song send it to me man if it's a good song and I like it like I'll hop on it like especially right now because I'm independent I can do whatever I want like my attitude towards it is like I
(17:49) started looking at this and being like everybody's doing this wrong yeah like this people people the consumer is not dumb the consumer didn't have the internet in the 70s you could shape the figure with how you wanted to shape them absolutely that's not how it is anymore like these people are smart and I think the the primary problem with musicians and Executives in the industry right now is that they think the consumer is dumb and the consumer is not dumb I don't know if they ever were but if they were
(18:19) if they ever were they definitely aren't now you know what I'm saying so it's like let's just start with that first thing right there and just be like hey at the end of the day people are listening we talked about this last time people are listening based off of mood people are listening based off of what experience they're in with their friends like you don't have to be an artist anymore that does one specific thing you can do whatever man like you know it's it's it's you can't be precious out here
(18:45) you just got to stay working yeah like you you end up getting so precious and holding [ __ ] back for so long that you don't put anything out yeah well the the playlist is the genre now you know and it's got far less boundaries yeah you know rock and roll is a great name for a group of a type of music a feeling but [ __ ] feel-good road trip is what most people are putting you into that's what I'm saying or party or this or that which has far less boundaries use that enjoy it be a [ __ ] a Creator not not
(19:18) a a specific sound and but also like what you were what you were talking about earlier and just like our job in this industry in art in the [ __ ] world is to do our best every single day and hopefully get a little better the next day that's it if you can if you're not a little bit better than you were the day before it means that there's so much information you didn't take in and you didn't take seriously that is there for free it's going to be there anyways and I tell everybody this
(19:44) I talked on the podcast I did a few days ago you're the first person I send music to because I'm not looking for that was good that was nice no I want to know what the [ __ ] I could be doing better because I know you believe in me yeah that you got to treat your fans like that too you got to treat the people on your team like that I don't care if they're packing road cases they're part of the Cog they're or they're a cog in the machine you know like all of this all these pieces are specific to the
(20:08) type of person you want to be and if you want to be rock and roll rock and roll is getting people to dance and enjoy themselves while you're working your heart out on the on the stage that's [ __ ] rock and roll and going back and having a beautiful life behind it that you're building because none of this is sustainable without that side of it that's [ __ ] rock and roll you know it's not getting [ __ ] up and doing drugs all the time don't get me wrong I built this podcast so I can hang out
(20:32) with my friends and get [ __ ] up all the time yeah yeah but that's what this is for this is a place that those 30 seconds in between songs which is totally fun and if it wasn't for me performing tomorrow I would be having a glass of Louis you made and either way but this is it doesn't have to be that either the conversation is is the reason I'm here totally totally and everything with it comes with the moment and it comes with you're going to be here many more times we'll have more than enough
(20:56) time to get [ __ ] up but like getting to sit here with all of you and like meet all of you is that's why I love this it's talking to people who feel similar who love their instrument in a way that is hard to express to somebody that does doesn't get it and doesn't play I'm obsessed with the people who do this I love the product but the product is not there without the person shitty [ __ ] life events emotions all of it and the UPS the Downs the great birthdays the ones without the people
(21:22) you love losing people getting new people by the way what do you guys all play will you just go through and tell me a little bit about each you what you play and how you ended up here yeah um I play a little bit of everything I mean you know like like any artist like real artist real listener I love everything so I like to make all kinds of stuff I grew up playing bass guitar like stringed instruments and so but I love the bass man like I'm a huge synth nerd and Love guitar pedals and whatnot but like I always come back to like the
(21:59) groove of a song you know did you start playing electric or did you play upright electric yeah yeah yeah have you played upright kind of yeah I mean I I can Noodle around it's a great sound like sometimes I just I actually have one I just sample it sometimes I can't play all the parts it's the hardest instrument to mic because upright players always they turn right in this weird phase I remember from college but like that that like that Rhythm Section behind the song you know I spend more time on just drums and
(22:29) bass sounds or whatever I'm a drummer I get it yeah picking up the bass whether I know what I'm doing or not I don't it feels if it's the next closest feeling to home absolutely absolutely I love how on the base like it's just it's so much feel yeah like I really don't think about what notes I'm playing that much I mean I promise but does it but that's also I guarantee to to be able to say that took so many hours of of working hard and and learning the rules to be able to break them and understanding the
(22:58) people you're on stage with like to even be able to say that you have to really love what you're doing because that's not [ __ ] easy right absolutely absolutely this is Maxie oh yeah uh I'm a guitar player uh singer and songwriter um yeah just figuring my stuff out um meeting this fool over here on the right side of me it's a good fool he's an amazing fool that I stumbled into and uh do you all live in Nashville we are from everywhere though which is great I think that's a great that's a
(23:31) great byproduct of Nashville itself absolutely um which is something that we've all four of us have grown to really love and accept were you from originally Baltimore oh beautiful yeah yeah Maryland prices from Birmingham Birmingham Alabama I love it I'm a boy awesome yeah um but yeah yeah no guitar is my bread and butter beautiful pun intended no pun intended um I'm a drummer I'm a guitarist and I'm also a front man hello um Jake is one of the artists I play for there's a couple others a couple other
(24:10) artists that I'm working with right now as a drummer um I play guitar for this other pop rock gig uh that's back in Nashville and then I do my own solo stuff beautiful what's your solo stuff it's called the retrospect it's kind of like uh there's a great [ __ ] thanks thank you no it's uh it's I mean it really launches like an alternative rock like a lot of people are saying like oh this is kind of like Foo Fighters like I was sick I dig it like it's like Foo Fighters I got like
(24:37) 90s rock like Smashing Pumpkins Soundgarden kind of like feeling vibe to it uh the last stuff I just put out was a little more like harder Rock but um nah man it's it's one of those things where like I'm always writing like tracks um shout out Josh Jordan calls it tracking off where you just write tracks you're not like actually writing the song or finishing the song but you're just laying down a track so I'm caught yeah so I'm constantly writing just riffs and riffs and just tracks I love
(25:10) it um all genres and that's kind of like what I want the retrospect to be but I mean I didn't the thing with I live with myself is I like playing gigs I like what this is I like learning set lists just grinding it out and just facing the challenge of what it is that I have to do it's very drummer of you sure yeah as you should know absolutely you being a drummer yourself but it's the repetition yeah but with that I mean the retrospect my soul stuff is kind of taking a real big backseat like I haven't really been
(25:42) doing much with it because like this is the priority like this is what I moved to Nashville for and it's it's happening so fast and I love it man the beautiful thing is we got time to do it all and there's certain times that that are most necessary to vote your time to a specific thing 100 learn what you got to learn but I love it everybody go go look up retrospect thank you for the shout out I appreciate it and also back what price said I kind of like what uh we were talking about earlier with like
(26:08) backing tracks and playing live we don't use backing tracks we don't use a click track everything that you hear what you see is raw it's pure and it's also new every time and it's new at every time 270 BPM yesterday my head is in the clouds don't feel like coming down I'm trying to escape like it was so fast I could see that working so well though yeah like four on the floor like it's hard like it's hard because sometimes we do we didn't even mean to play it that fast we just did
(26:41) and I feel like yeah it kind of like worked you know like I don't know it's it's cool to not be kind of like subject to the parameters I guess you know well that's part of having a band is you're like Hey we're gonna do head in the clouds still but follow I think it's like because we're all artists like we all that's what makes it so much fun like we all like love the process of writing a song with the songs trying to convey like we all have to write and so yeah like watching
(27:08) everyone Buy in and instead of just being like okay like what do you want us to play like Mitch will be like let's stop here let's change the vibe here Jake's gonna you know like we we like sort of try to Envision the song I also think just with more gigs more and more of that will happen yeah because when you're not playing two click you're not you know running tracks like you can change the whole [ __ ] thing halfway through you know you can like completely change it you don't even
(27:39) have to play the song and the same key you know what I mean you don't have to play the same chord progression like you can literally sing you could make a song on stage like some of these old guests and I keep in mind I wanted to go back to this real quick and this kind of combines with what I'm saying now keep in mind like all these people we respected right like Jim Morrison Mick Jagger Keith Richards whatever whoever you want to say uh Mark Knopfler not foreign like all these fools we're trying they they were trying to do
(28:13) something different yeah they just didn't have like as much [ __ ] as us so obviously like with being with going back to being precious and all that stuff like I'm sure if there was like a Diplo around back then they would have been like oh [ __ ] yeah dude let's do it you know like I feel like we just romanticized this this era of Music we meaning like I guess the alternative like I don't know what she calls hippies whatever but we romanticize this like era of music from like let's say the 50s
(28:44) maybe the late 40s to like the 90s right and and like we kind of duck out some of the 80s sometimes because that gets like a little we're like uh it's like two it's too simple it's a little weird but like but like all these dudes were just trying to experiment exactly like they just didn't have as many tools and I think if they did they would be doing it and for a long time I was like no it needs to be this way or I need to be this you know and I was always like zero 100 now I'm just like dude [ __ ] it like
(29:13) last weekend I got a song coming out with zoo and devault like last weekend I was like [ __ ] it let's do it let's do it like let's shoot the music let's do it like I'm I'm doing a song with my friend Andrea azizov in in New York who's like primarily a graphic designer but like has been a producer for his whole life and like he's like yo I'll help you with all the graphic design stuff if you if you help me with some of the music [ __ ] and I listened to some of the beats and
(29:35) I was like dude these are [ __ ] incredible yeah like [ __ ] all that [ __ ] [ __ ] the name [ __ ] the genre [ __ ] that like just have fun man like you said like I fell out of love with music I fell out of love with music because I got caught up listening to the business yes I fell out of love with music because I got caught up listening to the business of music and and and I'm not even going to say listening to other people it might even been voices in my own head but I didn't enjoy the process anymore and I
(30:09) had to rip it all apart rip everything [ __ ] off yeah you know even some of the bandages that were covering up scars and [ __ ] the comfortability you know yeah and and and be like let me get to a place where I [ __ ] love this again yeah you know why did I do this in the first place it had nothing to do with like you know being I never wanted to be a star I never wanted to be like picking up girls from this [ __ ] like sure it's great to do that but like I was writing music because it was an emotional outlet
(30:37) for me absolutely you know and and when you when you get so far away from that it's very difficult to I think most most artists actually they drift off and they just lose it yeah and that's it and then they either don't become an artist or they're so [ __ ] big that you have a situation like I'm reading the Motley Crue book right now where these guys are just like they're off their [ __ ] rocker yeah you know Aerosmith is writing them letters like Steven Tyler's leaving him a [ __ ] letter on their
(31:03) private jet being like yo we've been there bro like you guys need to like shape up you know like it's a crazy thing because you can get so far from it and really at the end of the day that's the only thing that [ __ ] matters is like why did you do it in the beginning yeah you know and if you are doing it I'm just going to say this right now if you're doing it to be a star or to pick up chicks or do all that [ __ ] you're not doing it for the right reason it ain't gonna work out it's not gonna work out
(31:27) like you might get somewhere but you're gonna get there and then you're gonna be like yeah or my quote unquote work out but you won't be an artist for Forever like the people that are artists for forever and that are writers for forever and like sit there they they [ __ ] love this [ __ ] man well and I think we get to this point where we become so practiced and it becomes so accessible that you forget that that at the beginning of this it all came out of this fight or flight reason to need to save yourself from whatever [ __ ]
(31:58) life throws at you and when life gets a little too cushy you forget what you have to save yourself from until it gets to the point where it's all back Full Throttle yeah you know it's like being an addict like being an addict sucks because sometimes you don't realize you fell back into your old habits until it's too late and now you have to go through this recovery again that's it's no different obviously they've got sometimes they go hand in hand but totally but it's if you're doing this it's important to know
(32:24) your business it's important to understand where you want to go because if you love this so much you need to make money yes that is a necessity but making money can be done [ __ ] being a nanny you can work at a bank you could do you could be a doctor there's so many different things this is not the one that you pick just to make the money I promise you will hate it more than when you started a hundred percent man you gotta [ __ ] love it you know you have to love it and like sometimes you're your own I was getting
(32:52) in my own way yeah like we probably did a podcast two years ago where I'm like cigarettes sometimes is my least favorite song dude that's just probably my favorite song right now yeah like I just hated it because I'm like I've grown so much I'm so much like more thought out than this now you know and like who gives a [ __ ] bro but having that that idea and understanding that you said that for whatever reason you were in at that moment sure that's that's one of the [ __ ] rungs on the
(33:16) ladder yeah no I agree it has to be there I agree I think all I'm saying is that at the end of the day the part that is about quote-unquote about the artist or about the writer or about the producer is the creation once it's out of your [ __ ] hands it's no longer yours yeah and we talked about this before it's the worlds and if they [ __ ] love it you got a responsibility to cherish that moment or I guess like help Harvest that moment with them like you were talking about earlier whether it's the the person who's sober in the
(33:54) crowd or whatever like whether it's that one [ __ ] song like sure I'm not saying you got to play every [ __ ] you know you gotta show up in your prince you got 67 albums you gotta play all 67 albums but I'm just saying like you know there's songs obviously that do better than other others and like if people love them man you should love them too for being loved you know what I'm saying and I I've drifted way far away from me way far away from that and now I'm just like man I'd said this in the and you literally
(34:23) yesterday and that was not even close to like one of the biggest shows I've played like I said 150 kids or something like we played a lot of Blues last year with 6 000 people like we play Boise [ __ ] a month ago with 2 000 people Raging Raging Raging like way harder than yesterday but yesterday I just for some reason I had the the wherewithal and the thought to be like man this is [ __ ] crazy y'all like we're on a stage like we're playing in front of like [ __ ] people the present moment though like like like
(34:50) I didn't used to think like that at all you know and now I'm thinking every time I'm just like when I get a bad thought I'm just like oh yeah but like bro you're making money from this that's all that just means you're taking tomorrow as a lesson yeah every tomorrow is a [ __ ] lesson and and also like you're 26 now you're 25 last time you're here at 24 whatever it is you need to [ __ ] grow could you imagine have you ever had the people that come up to you from high
(35:16) school or middle school like wow I can't this is not you you didn't used to dress like this or act like this or play that it's like yeah 15 [ __ ] years ago I also couldn't grow [ __ ] hair at my face and my and my dick was half the size it's I'm changing yeah I'm taller too crazy I also have new cousins that were born wild can I not have that either it's like you're supposed to [ __ ] move you're supposed to change we're not these we're not these solid objects we're [ __ ] fluid we're not
(35:43) supposed to be stagnant yeah that's the journey that's like the beauty you know I think honestly a lot of artists even if they're on the right track they're just like get so concerned they skip over the shows like we did yesterday like they're not there to just enjoy yeah you know what I mean like I've been playing just like in Rock Band since I was like 13.
(36:00) and I'm still trying to move into like producing my own projects and different genres and all kinds of stuff and then yesterday we're just back in small town America like ripping some rock and [ __ ] roll and dude I had such a great time like me too incredible like and I gotta I got out there like like I'm saying that you know there's two sides to the sword I guess like for one I got out there for them but the other side is like I got out there for me like I wanted to play the songs with these guys I wanted to go out there and
(36:32) play like more than anything I'm just having [ __ ] fun like that's what if you're just having fun people feel it you know and like the best way I think to to make sure that you're addressing both and this goes back to not trying to take it back into the sobriety thing but the best way to make sure that you're paying attention to the audience and yourself and your own thoughts is to be in your right mind right and whether that's some people for some people that is having two or three drinks or whatever you know
(37:08) or doing two lines of cocaine I don't [ __ ] know but for me I know that like for me to to feel the feeling before stage and be like to have the wherewithal in my brain by myself with no substance with nothing to be like I'm just gonna go out there it's crazy bro I'm telling you right now if I would have had that thought process I mean I had some injuries in high school too but if I would have had that thought process in high school when I was playing sports I would have been bro I would have been
(37:38) [ __ ] Pro I wouldn't even been here right now doing music but I was so scared of like [ __ ] up all the time yeah or like making a mistake or disappointing so-and-so or doing this or do like instead of just trying [ __ ] you know and being like I'm gonna go out and have fun like I'm gonna do this because I love it you know and and we went out there yesterday and like we all had a fun time man and like yeah you know I [ __ ] played the wrong chord two hooks in a row on a song it's okay like it's fine I corrected I moved
(38:09) forward is it the wrong chord if it's two hooks in a row is it just a new chord that's what I'm saying you know it's also like not two hooks in a row but like two times in a row but like it was it was just like little mistakes don't [ __ ] matter when you're in that Vibe like nobody even notices it like the only person who knows this is me or Price playing the wrong bass no or him hitting the wrong leg or Mitch accidentally filling a fill too soon like nobody [ __ ] notices yeah you know it's just like as long as you're
(38:35) having fun all the rest of it kind of dissipates into nothingness it's like who gives a [ __ ] and people feel that they feel that more than anything you know and it's working that's the thing I I we talked about this last time my brother is a few years younger than you great guy he's amazing and he's a [ __ ] he's a fan of of rock and roll he's a fan of live music and he's a fan of going to your show just as he is hearing one of his favorite artists from 50 years ago what you know like what else could you
(39:03) ask for you're you're you're making the small little incremental changes that be that get you to become the person that you're the most excited to wake up as yeah and you can't be that tomorrow you can't be that next day that takes time and that's ever changing and what that looks like is ever changing but like the fact that you're doing it the fact that this conversation is so different than last time makes me so excited for you because I think you [ __ ] deserve to be as happy on stages you're making
(39:27) everybody else and if you can get closer to that every time dude you're [ __ ] winning it's just happy in life man like this relates to everything I I made a new tick tock because my old Tick Tock was like so [ __ ] up right made a new tick tock I was telling them today too I'm like man I'm done [ __ ] worrying about [ __ ] I'm just having fun yeah and like once I start having fun with it and just stopped trying to be something like stop trying to be something just be you don't gotta be something just
(39:54) [ __ ] be man and that's it like what matters to you honestly bro you seem happier I'm so happy dude like I'm this is it's honestly emotional I'm like borderline about a cry right now because it's just like I wish I just would have saw it like I'm not I don't regret anything I did I just wish I would have saw it earlier absolutely you know because like I didn't realize I didn't real I probably burned a lot of bridges and like pissed a lot of people I know I'm not I didn't
(40:20) probably I know that I burned a lot of bridges pissed a lot of people off and maybe mistreated people maybe maybe mistreated my own values maybe mistreated situations in business everything and I just look back at that and I'm like man if I only just thought about it the only thing that changed was my thought process the only thing that that can overcome negative situations or negative talk is positive talk that's it man if you're wrong about something go have the opportunity to be right yeah that's it you do it don't walk through
(40:49) like joshing around with your friends you know or whatever but like it's another thing to like put somebody down I've been trying to not do that man like the people you love closest even the people that you don't love you know like even the people that like I'm going through some I got out of my record label deal but I was still signed to a production deal and I'm going through that right now to get out of that which is a whole nother thing for me to be completely free and like you know straight up like these people
(41:18) just used and abused their power to take advantage of a young artists who didn't know what he was doing who was very talented Me Myself and I forgive these people like I'm not even out of it yet and I already forgive them old Jake would have been like [ __ ] them let's burn this bridge let's burn this [ __ ] to the [ __ ] ground let's start a war like I I was raised that way to like have a chip on your shoulder you know so I'm just I think that to have that level-headedness to be like
(41:49) I forgive man like keep keep your [ __ ] friends close keep your enemies closer you know what I'm saying like and not even enemies just people that might have [ __ ] you over yeah like just don't it's not worth it everybody's worth it nobody acts like a shitty person for no reason that's the thing too in the same way that that there's situations you regret I guarantee there's people that have wronged you that feel the same way 100 and and the only thing you can do is be the best person you can at that moment and
(42:17) hopefully that can continues to grow for you all the time but you're [ __ ] doing it dude I love it I love to see you happy I love to see you with happy people um and talented people I'm excited to see you play more and I'm this Sunday still a fan and tomorrow oh and tomorrow yeah but he's gonna come on Sunday right oh yeah whoever you want to bring let me know okay see you I'll bring her she's the best she's put her in a nice dress she's so happy right now she's just like
(42:45) a liquid she's just like Fast speak of a liquid yeah she's [ __ ] she just melts but thank you guys so much for coming thank you for for doing this um thank you for all the continued support you've always had you are the first person to like everything you're the first person to let me know how I'm doing to comment to root me on to connect me with people and I promise you it's it's not unseen it's I appreciate it daily and I love it I love what you're doing man I think that's great I
(43:13) really do thank you and it was so great to meet you guys I'm excited yeah and uh to hopefully do many more of these hey we got two bras thrown on stage last night so I love it bring them next time we'll start hanging them all hopefully there we go well I love you guys thank you so much and uh maybe now we go record a little song yeah sure let's do it now let's do it and thank you everybody for watching thank you for listening go stream the music go follow them on social media go pay for tickets
(43:42) to their shows and buy merch and give them a hug when they're off stage thank you guys and to everybody listening this is Baby Jake and the Mojo and this is an experiment yeah it is bye everybody I love you [Music] the experience is the experiment [Music]