Ep160: Roy Coughlan ~ Health, Legal Battles, and Finding Truth

How do you navigate a world full of misinformation and find the truth? Join us as we sit down with Roy Coughlan, a passionate advocate for truth and a seasoned podcaster, who shares his inspiring journey from the strict schoolrooms of his childhood to the crumbling optimism during Ireland's Celtic Tiger era. Roy opens up about his personal battles with sciatica and the transformative discovery that changed his life, all while emphasising the critical importance of seeking truth and uncovering hidden solutions that can dramatically improve our well-being.

Roy delves into the often murky waters of the healthcare system, recounting his own experiences with ineffective treatments and the revolutionary book that set him on a path to healing. The discussion highlights the challenges of finding trustworthy medical professionals and the necessity of taking control of one’s own health. We also explore the perils of misinformation, especially on social media, and stress the importance of building a reliable network for accurate information. Roy’s candid insights serve as a powerful reminder to focus on positive support and to be proactive about personal health and well-being.

But that's not all.  Roy also shares his eye-opening experiences with corruption and legal injustices, from his financial ventures in Poland to the obstacles he encountered in the financial and legal systems. His stories of resilience and empowerment offer valuable lessons on navigating legal challenges and managing professional relationships. We wrap up with a call to action, encouraging listeners to empower themselves and their communities by advocating for healthier choices and collective action against societal issues. Don't miss this episode packed with practical advice and inspirational stories to help you lead a more truthful and impactful life.

Chapters

• 0:02 Truthfulness vs. Corruption - Roy Coughlin
• 12:48 Navigating Truth and Misinformation
• 22:29 Uncovering Fraud and Legal Injustice
• 33:29 Navigating Legal Challenges and Professional Relationships
• 46:14 Empowering Others to Make Changes
• 51:09 Promoting Health and Social Change

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Truth and Transcendence, brought to you by being Space with Catherine Llewellyn. Truth and Transcendence, episode 160, with special guest Roy Coughlin. Now Roy is here today to talk about truthfulness. He has six podcasts, several in the top 1%, and has broadcast over 1,300 episodes. His mission is to expose corruption and provide solutions to help people do this, which I think is really a good idea. Now you can find Roy at biolink forward slash podcaster, where there's a huge resource of podcasts, wisdom, self-help, podcasting, help and much, much more. So please do make sure you've got that link biolink forward slash podcaster. So, roy, thank you so much for coming on. Truth and Transcendence.

Speaker 2: 1:10

Thank you very much for having me and I love your voice. I mean, we've spoke before, but I think you've got a fantastic voice for podcasting.

Speaker 1: 1:17

Thank you so much. People used to say you've got a great face for radio. Slightly left, but right way of saying it. I like your voice as well. I love that soft Irish accent. It's particularly since you some people with an accent. You can't understand them because the accent's so strong and they don't articulate. But when someone has a lovely accent and they're really easy to understand, to me that's part of the color of life. So, roy, you're all about truthfulness. Can you remember your earliest memory of realizing that truthfulness was something really important to you?

Speaker 2: 2:07

something really important to you. I I mean, I'm look, I look at kind of my journey in life and then, as I've kind of evolved, then I go back and I think of stuff that happened and I'm like that's not right. So there's two kind of answers to that. There's the one I went back and I went why were we? We start school, I think similar in the uk, I mean poland used to be seven, now at six, but we started school at four and it was like you were in big schools, like you know, farty in the classroom, fold your hands, put your you know, put your finger up to your mouth and just sit there and like for a four-year-old child. No, you kind of look back and you go that's not normal and even talking with friends, like they tape the child to the chair and everything they used, beat us with sticks and stuff like that, and like dusters, they bait, they throw a duster at you, so like did I kind of know that at the time? No, because we kind of thought that was normal. But when you look back and you go, how was that allowed?

Speaker 2: 2:57

But I suppose my journey to kind of understanding everything I hope honestly, because the irish economy was kind of weird, like the celtic tiger. So I kind of grew up in that and I was like things are getting better and better. So I actually had faith in the government. I know people are cringing now when they hear me saying that's what we would faith in the government. But things were actually getting better. Hospitals were being built and you know the infrastructure was there and I started working in a company and I kind of got promoted from what now I kind of I they probably gave me too much for my age.

Speaker 2: 3:30

I was in my early 20s and I got a thing called sciatica, which is like a trap nerve. I had a pain shooting on my leg and I didn't know what it was. But at the time I was working from 8 in the morning till 12 at night, like I was like really working very hard for these big projects no, non-multi-million pound projects. So I tried everything. I was trying, you know, acupuncture, I tried chiropractor, I tried a whole lot and in the end they said, okay, you need to get an epidural and yeah. So I mean most people would never heard of a man getting an epidural.

Speaker 1: 4:05

And I was born a man and I still am man, but I do, I do know that sciatica can be a real bastard, you know, it can really be debilitating. So, um, but I gotta say epidural does sound a bit of a weird response to it.

Speaker 2: 4:15

Anyway, please continue so what they said is we give you the picture and you're awake. When you do it which I remember it was painful and then they put you to sleep and then they're manipulating your body and I remember when I woke up, the one thing is I like they tossed or something. I went to get up and I was paralyzed from the chest down and that was such a horrible feeling. But then, after that wore off, I was getting pains down my other leg. So it was that didn't work and I mean I was at my wits end. I mean I couldn't take medication because it used to affect my stomach and then I'd be just kind of bouncing off the walls and it was just just wasn't right for me. So then they recommended surgery. They said oh, you have a prolapsed disc. The disc is protruding on the nerve and that's what's causing it.

Speaker 2: 4:55

I just assumed that they knew what they were talking about and just went along with it, got the operation and came out and it was like no difference and I was like I know I was really ready to throw it at all, cause I knew I couldn't live with this pain because you couldn't even sleep. You know, the pain was so bad, like you move and you're just constant. And I came across this book I don't know how it landed on my lap Divine intervention, whatever you call it, it was called healing back pain by Dr John Sarno. Read it and within two weeks it was gone. And it's not that I wasn't experienced that pain, because I was, and I have recommended that book to over 20 people because sometimes people get the pain down the arm and same thing. They all got great results and it's like why are they hiding this? It's all about the money. So that was kind of the first kind of I see, there's something wrong here I understand so kind of.

Speaker 1: 5:51

In brief, what did he suggest in the book?

Speaker 2: 5:55

it was honestly it's been so many years because I gave it to somebody and they took it and I said I need to get it again. I I really. I know sounds strange, but I can't remember because I was in my early 20s when it happened. I completely understand, yeah, but all I remember is just telling people about it. And yeah, there's even videos on it and you can even get the book online because, like I'm conscious always of people's budgets and everything, and sometimes people. They're barely able to keep the lights on. So, even if things are that you can get a digital version of that book, you can even. He's done some stuff he's passed on now, but he's got YouTube videos and everything and it's well worth checking out if you're suffering from that or know somebody that's actually suffering from the affliction?

Speaker 1: 6:37

Yes, amazing. So you thought right, this is really straightforward. I've managed to fix myself in two weeks by reading a book and following what is said in the book. And that's interesting, that thing, that when the pain is gone, it's almost like we forget we had the pain, we forget how we fixed it, because we're on in the next phase of our life, aren't we? And it's like, thank God it's gone, let's not even speak of it again. But then you made a link and you said to yourself why are they not telling us about this in the medical profession?

Speaker 2: 7:09

so say a bit more about where your thinking went from there I think it was just kind of seeing that and then just paying attention to different things going on and kind of looking at, say, government things and how they like, even going back like a few years before that. There was. Another thing that I spotted is, when I finished college that it was kind of like I did, um, construction, economics and management, and I thought I'd walk into a job, because you think you go to college, you get a diploma, you're going to walk into a job, and it was like loads of dear john letters and a big pile of uh thanks but no thanks. So I ended up doing a government job.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Um course, it was construction site supervision, and when I went in there it was like a lot of people from the university were in the same kind of boat, you know they couldn't get anything. So they decided, okay, let's do something else. And all they were doing is like foxers, which is kind of I mean, you'd probably be familiar with foxers where you're kind of doing jobs for, for people you know, like designing houses and things like that. So like the, the teacher or whatever was getting paid for this, but we weren't, and we were doing a lot of projects like that.

Speaker 1: 8:17

Oh, I think so. You were doing assignments that as part of your study that you weren't getting paid for, but your teacher was taking your work and making money off it.

Speaker 2: 8:27

So that wasn't the university, this was a government course FOSS was the name of it and I was like this isn't right. So I saw they had a computer and then I told them look, get me a manual on AutoCAD. And I taught myself AutoCAD, but it was like I kind of knew at that time.

Speaker 1: 8:50

I was like this time I think this isn't good. You know that this they're corrupt, like this is serious corruption, the way that they're doing this thing, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. So so you obviously had an ability to notice those sort of cognitive mismatches, those sort of mismatches between one thing and another. And but I'm also interested in what you said about that you had a long period of time as a child and then coming up to your early 20s when you were very trusting, when you trusted that what you were being told was right and the way you were being treated must be okay, because everybody's doing it.

Speaker 1: 9:19

And my history was completely different. I was told right from the off, as soon as I could talk don't trust the government, don't trust the institutions, do not, whatever happens, end up in hospital, if you can possibly avoid it, because once you're in there, you never know what they're going to do. So it was very, very different. But it's fascinating to me hearing your story where you had this kind of debilitating condition and they tried all these really brutal things on you and then you discovered a much more straightforward way of doing it, and that's always fascinated me. I mean, why is it that what is recommended is often kind of a very brutal solution, when actually the actual solution is so simple by comparison. That's never quite made sense to me it's about money.

Speaker 2: 10:10

It's, I mean, there's one money and then there's kind of the pain, because if somebody is happy and healthy, there's a better environment, not only with them but they're surrounding their families, their friends and cousins and stuff like that, whereas if they're miserable, it's, like you know, people don't really want to be around them. If you're, you know, if your father or your mother has a you know some debilitating thing, you know it's not a nice environment to be in, and they know that. And plus, even in america, like the amount of people that go bankrupt because of medical expenses, that's pathetic. Like nobody should ever have to do that. And I remember there was one of the girls that used to work for me in poland. She used to go to america to act to be a waitress, because she made so much money with tips and stuff like that that for the summer it was worked for a while because she was a student, so she was like part-time for me and she made so much money. And she was telling me that there was people there that if they cut their finger badly they wouldn't go to the hospital because they couldn't afford it. They just tried to patch it up themselves. I was like you know, because we wouldn't have experienced that in kind of Ireland or England you go like what it's that bad and like what you mentioned, there is like you were kind of told, you know, don't go to the hospital. And the scary thing is what's happened in the last few years. I think a lot of people now have that thought and it's like definitely me. It's like definitely me. It's like you do not go near the hospital. I mean, I've had one guest on and he's talking about his daughter was murdered because of what they've done and he's got proof and he's taking a lawsuit at in the states at the moment with it. But like even with me, I just I hate going to the hospitals or doctorating.

Speaker 2: 11:40

I was on a holiday in Turkey about three weeks ago and I was just playing football with my son my youngest child, he's 10, and we were just playing and they pulled my groin and then the next morning I was going home for a coffee and I was holding on to the banister because I could barely move and I fell down the stairs. I destroyed my shoulder and I went to get to the spa and get kind of massage him and he actually called the medical people because he saw how bad it was and I went no, I'm grand, even though I wasn't grand, I was in agony. So when I came back like that happened on a friday, I came back on the sunday, on the monday my whole leg went purple, dark purple, and I was like, okay, this isn't good. And I went to a medical center just five minutes from me and I've never met such nice people, how they've looked after me and it's like I've kind of tired. Everybody with the same brush and they're all the same, they're all into this. She was even telling me the doctor was there that they make it sound like you have to get the jab when you're a kid here, which I know, they were pushing that on me for my job and she goes no, you don't have to.

Speaker 2: 12:48

So I knew, okay, this is different and everyone there they're looking and I had to get a usg to see what was wrong. So apparently it snapped and it's not going to repair. It's a fairly bad injury that I've got, but it was like I went to one doctor to get the usg. They didn't do it. All she did is give me medication. I don't like medication. And when I went to that center. They said why did they do that? She don't take that, you don't need that, and like you never hear that nobody ever says about another doctor, they always kind of go along. So I felt so good knowing now that I've got a place that has my back, and they recommended me to go to a sports place and that's how I found out how bad it was. So I'm getting the right therapy to fix it. But I know that there's so many people out there now they never want to go near a hospital yeah and we can't think they're all the same, because there's not.

Speaker 1: 13:38

There's some genuine people out there that really want to help you that's so important, and I suppose that that also means we need to take responsibility for looking and finding the right people, don't we? I think people talk about well, they always recommend this and it's not right, etc. But then how often do we actually stop and go? What do I think is right? Do I want to follow what I'm being asked to do, or do I want to think for myself and keep looking until I find? I mean, even if someone's going to use, let's say, acupuncture, which I'm a fan of acupuncture, I would always say to somebody don't necessarily go to the first acupuncturist you find, check out a few of them, find the one that resonates for you, where you feel you can kind of work together, where you can communicate, and then you're going to get a good service. But if you just think you've got to take the first one, the same with therapy and all of these other things, you know, you've got to kind of take responsibility for yourself, haven't you?

Speaker 2: 14:43

Absolutely, because some people they'll go into a week's course and they're an acupuncturist. Or there's chiropractors that are like they kind of do what they're told and they just go along. And then there's others that really understand that and you go to two different types of chiropractors and one is like wow, I feel fantastic after this, and the other you feel like he's just turned into a pretzel. You know, you're just kind of. I think checking reviews as well is important. They know that because people will go this guy is really good and just ask around and if it doesn't feel right, don't. Don't say I keep trying. You, you kind of your body will tell you and it's like nah, there's something wrong here.

Speaker 1: 15:31

Or the professionalism and just how they're acting, and you know the good people, yeah, yeah. So you've got to connect him with what you think is right, because I know people who are all about truth, let's say, but they get all their opinions from other people. Some of these people, they get their opinions about what's true from other people rather than from themselves, and I always kind of question that and think, well, how sustainable is that really in your life?

Speaker 2: 15:55

And the thing is, because of the way the world is, in the propaganda sometimes they put out information and they block it and ban it intentionally, because then they'll think people think it's true then and that's all part of the propaganda, because you go oh, they banned that, it must be true because we've been brainwashed to think that's how it works. They know that, so they do everything. So you have to be very careful and it's like I mean, you probably know it yourself you end up surrounding yourself with people. So some people will send you stuff, no matter what. They just find something and send it. And then you have a circle of friends that they don't do that. You know they're doing serious homework. They really they don't. They don't give you stuff that can be wrong. And when you have your trusted group and vice versa, you send them stuff when you've, when you dig deep and find a personal experience, and I think you just build that.

Speaker 2: 16:43

But there's a lot of times there are people are intentionally caught out and it's not. They're trying to help people. They get information and they put it out and then they're attacked. And you know there's plenty of people in social media that they they spend their time just attacking someone and then people are getting depressed because of that. So what I would say? Because that's going to happen.

Speaker 2: 17:01

If you're ever kind of trying to share the truth out there and what's going on, don't engage, because these people, even if you check their profiles very few friends or they've set up a separate profile or anything like that. You either report it, you delete it or you leave it. But do not engage because it's like talking to a wall and all you do is you suck your own energy and you're better off. Just keep the fight that you're doing and keep moving on and just brush these people out of the way. But I've seen so many people. They're throwing the toll because they start engaging with these people and then, instead of thinking of the hundred people that have thanked them, giving them beautiful comments, they concentrate on the one negative person and that's where their energy goes yes don't let that happen that's such a good point.

Speaker 1: 17:41

I mean, I've experienced that in my in other work not on social media where, where I'm running workshops or doing whatever I'm doing, lots of positive feedback and then one person sends something that's really cutting and snidey and it's easy to get sucked into becoming obsessed with that response. And right do I go back to them and I remember once someone said to me just ignore it, just ignore it. This is someone who needs to get out more.

Speaker 1: 18:14

It's not really having a great life and that's not your fault and not your problem. But I took that and it made such a difference because I realized the people that are supposed to find out about what I'm offering, let's say, and where it's relevant, they're going to come. If it's great for them, it's great. If it's not great for them, they'll tell me and we'll work on it and whatever. But these random people, as you're saying, somebody showed me something from Twitter. I'm not on Twitter.

Speaker 1: 18:45

Somebody had put up a post which disagreed with some of the current narrative. I can't remember what it was about. I think it might've been about ivermectin or something like that, where they were saying that ivermectin can be quite useful in any way. It's been used for years and they got several responses completely criticizing what they were saying and each response was supposedly from a different person and the wording on each response was identical. And then I understood there are these kind of robots yeah, there's butt worms here, um and I thought, but it's so obvious, how do they think anyone's going to believe it?

Speaker 2: 19:28

just on that, because it was one recently, because I'm constantly doing marketing stuff for the different things I'm doing and one like I'm trying to understand a ai kind of as much as possible and use it to the advantage. And I got, got the call and I went this is AI. And he goes no, this is a real person. I was going all right and I start talking. And then I was like no, this is definitely AI. I goes why did you lie to me that you pretended you were AI? Oh, I'm sorry about that. This is what we do. Yeah, you're correct, and there was like the level of how it's good, there's one guy I know and he he creates like the ai to kind of mimic himself. So you can do that, you can feed it the information that it then thinks it's kind of like you that you can do it with the social media. And I was writing to a guy that we'd normally write on whatsapp and then he rings me and he's getting off and he goes. You were writing to my ai and I didn't know. So that's the level that it's at. So you know there's sometimes you know just from the conversation, but no, but, like you know, if you're trying to get through to any organization and this is transferring from the, the bot or ai to whatever way to an operator, and it's not. Sometimes it's actually they're pretending as operator and it's, and once you kind of see it, you keep seeing it then and you understand it. So there's advantages that can reduce a lot of work, but there's a lot of disadvantages and the thing as well as unfortunately, it's like people doing a google search. They do a search and they assume it to be correct. Google is highly, you know, infiltrated. Like that is not a safe one. I go use brave and and it's also about the question. But with ai there's people they'll ask the question and they regurgitate and that's assuming it to be gospel and there's so many people and I've had a lot of interviews about that that the stuff that they share is incorrect and people are just kind of spreading that, like we've talked about earlier, spreading the wrong information. Sometimes they think they're doing right because they've asked it and that's what they're sharing seems to be very careful. So, yes, when people are researching so, whether it's 5g, chemtrails, whatever it is, there's so much different things going on change the question instead of saying is something safe? Ask why is this dangerous? You'll get totally different results.

Speaker 2: 21:43

And the way the algorithms work is the person that has a certain belief system they're getting bombarded with their belief system, so that reinforces their belief. And the person that doesn't knows what's going on. They start seeing all this stuff. So they're and we're looking at each other across the table, going how can you not see this? Yeah, because the way the like Twitter and all that I mean some people are thinking you know, elon Musk is the saving grace, like all you have to do is look at the history, the clothing that he wears, who he's connected to, and you can't be putting your trust in them.

Speaker 2: 22:16

And, like you mentioned, twitter is so, so negative. It's like you go into that and it's just all it's supposed to be like free speech and it's safe. And like you go into that and it's just all it's supposed to be like free speech and it's safe, like you go into it and it's like it's not a positive place to be. So people are spending so many hours Now they think, oh, this is brilliant. He's, he's on our side, he's got our back, and that's not the way it is. And you have to be very careful because all of them. They're taking your data and they're using it, so you have to be very careful. Don't put trust in any of the social medias.

Speaker 1: 22:51

So going back to when you started thinking, okay, this doesn't make sense. They're telling me I need to do this. So you were kind of juggling with a few things as you were speaking earlier about being given one piece of advice, realizing it wasn't right. Then there's the danger of assuming that all medical people are going to give you the wrong advice and aren't going to look after you, and then discovering these wonderful people who did look after you really well and then realizing I can't tar everyone with the same brush. So what happened then, in your kind of path in relation to truthfulness?

Speaker 2: 23:30

so I had moved to poland and I like built up, um, I had a lot of companies and doing syndicates together, so we had like a big commercial, we were development to build turkey apartments and houses and stuff like that. And when the crash happened I was actually doing very well. I didn't know a big teammate of 14 people working for me at one stage. So I was doing well and, like I was a small boy, like there was people who were 20 million, that were in the syndicates that they put together and then they started losing everything and I was thinking, now this is a hiccup, this is going going to come right. So I started putting more money into, like, say, the commercial, and I said, look, I'll charge you, you know, 10% interest a year and if you can't pay me, we'll just, you know, I'll just increase my shareholding. And everybody was happy. But it never came right. And then I was kind of going, hey, I'm have interest, only I'll sell off different things. And as soon as we missed payment, they sent in the bailiffs. So, on the commercial property, what happened is they basically told the tenants not to pay me. Then they stopped paying the gas and the electricity, which got turned off, which meant all the tenants left, and then you had the people on the street coming in just taking copper and anything that was worth money and destroyed it. So the bailiffs were in cahoots with the valuer. It was worth I talk in dollar terms, even though it was polish latte, it was worth one and a quarter million and they basically valued it at two million.

Speaker 2: 24:54

The way that the auction works is 75 for the first auction and 50 for the second. The way they do it and I've seen this happen in a few places around the world and most people wouldn't be aware of this they do a screenshot, so they go. Nobody turned up and they have proof that they'd baptized it, but they didn't really. They put it up for a second so nobody actually can find it, but they just pretend. And then they have their own phone. He's buying it. So they were trying to buy this uh, one and a quarter million dollar property for quarter of a million, but somebody that I knew bought.

Speaker 2: 25:21

I ended up losing everything, but I wasn't personally, because the way it worked is I was looking to make maybe five million when everything was all my projects I was working on and, because I was the president, nobody had told me that I was personally liable for five million and I had to kind of yeah. So I started seeing courts, banks, everything like in one of the other companies. I was told don't go in there because they'll ask us or somebody from the company there. So there was people that I knew went in there and they bribed everyone in the room and they had their own cronies buying it and I was like this is really bad. So and then I had three properties in ireland and they basically took them. They never gave me information how they were sold, what they were sold for, and I had court cases there. One I had. I was uh, I did the way the market went. It was worth 400 000 euro and when the crash happened it was worth 125 000 euro. I mean that shouldn't happen. I mean there's no way it should fluctuate that much. And basically I had 220 mortgage and I had an offer of 200. So I said full and final settlement because they had given a billionaire 300 million off. I thought they'd bite the hand off me and they wouldn't. They ended up selling it for less and then came after me for the excess.

Speaker 2: 26:27

So I actually went to the high court when I was inciting the high court and it's like it's not I don't know does it work like that in the uk, but it's not normal defending plaintiff, and then you've got your team. It's like there's the judge and then you've got a hundred, maybe 150 people there. Normally all barristers very few come to represent themselves. And it was like I was just listening yep, ruling favor the bank, plus interest, plus penalty. Everyone. And it was like one person said oh, we got kpmg. They charge us um 15 000 extra in interest. When was that? Three years ago? Oh, you should have took it up with them.

Speaker 2: 26:59

Then bang another woman. She came with a piece of paper. She was shaking, she was crying. She said my husband has died from stress because of this. Well, I'm very sorry, bank can't do anything about that rule in favor of the banks, plus interest, plus penalties. And I was fighting it and they allowed it. It's like originally you go to the master court to see will it go to the court, which are still, even though they accepted my one to go through the court.

Speaker 2: 27:24

It was like there was no way that does it an affidavit? So I, I don't know, are you familiar with? I didn't know what an affidavit was. So once I got their sworn statement which is giving me all this thing, that you've done this, this, this was all lies. I didn't reply it and I had so much information. I had signatures from the bank of 20 different people, including. They bought out one bank at one stage and it was the exact same uh signature with all different names. So that's fraud in itself. I was able to prove that they put all the mortgages together and sold them on, so it means they got paid already. So they could never respond to my affidavit.

Speaker 2: 27:59

So there was some judges were kind of going why haven't you responded? One said oh, award me 1400 euro for travel expenses and you better resolve this or it'll be consequences. And the last day, a different judge again. So eight different judges, which is strange. They don't. They're just picking up the file just as you're about to talk and he, he started and he goes oh, this is going to take longer. And then he delayed it. And then the the barrister said oh, I have to go to another case. Oh, no problem. So I had to stay for the whole day because he allowed the barrister to go to a different case and I was there from like nine in the morning till six at night, the the barrister started speaking first, saying his part, then it was my turn and he just kept shutting me up. The judge which you shouldn't do, I should be allowed, you know, he's not supposed to biased and even somebody that was actually sitting there stood up and said well, why is this happening? And he goes, you better shut up or you're getting thrown out to the guy. So he could even see that was wrong. And so I ended up losing.

Speaker 2: 29:01

But they tried to get interest and costs against me and I said, look, I'm fighting to go to the European court with this because this is pure fraud. And I logged everything, I had everything registered and I was told, no, you have to appeal. And unfortunately I'm not sure about the UK, but some countries when you appeal it's that amount or less. But what it does in Ireland is it opened up again. So it was like 68,000. But if, but what it does in Ireland is it opened up again? So it was like 68,000. But if they had taken interest and the barristers costs I mean their cost like up to 10 grand a day some of these guys, so there could have been about 300,000 plus opening it again. So I was kind of going 68,000 versus half a million.

Speaker 2: 29:36

I just said no yeah and it's like I just thought this is so bad and I mean you would be aware of the amount of people unfortunately millions around the world have gone through this and unfortunately a lot of them through on the toll loads of marriages broke up, just homes destroyed because of it, all orchestrated and just so you know, like when I was doing this, there was a time when a person had a pulse. They were getting a mortgage. They're just like you know if you could walk into the bank and sign your name. They were trying and then they turned off the tap. So I was in the middle of developments and I there was one guy that I knew and he was a professor, his wife was a solicitor. They already had one who's did 50 down payment for a property and they couldn't get a loan. It's like they've turned off the tap and then they just took everything. So I went to an event and the event was what's your quest? And I was at that moment. I said, all right, I'm going to expose this, I'm going to get this message out. And also at the event it was kind of very good speakers.

Speaker 2: 30:34

I hated public speaking. I was always very shy going. I wouldn't go into the shop when I was younger, when I was 18, when it was my call, I'd give my friend the money to go up to the bar, that kind of shyness and I said, all right, I need to overcome that. So I came back, I joined toastmasters, joined another toastmasters, formed a toastmaster, entered every competition, got into the final of five countries just done a load of different things became a dtm in three years, which is kind of unusual, which is distinguished toastmaster, and then started doing the podcasting, which the first one was speaking, the next was meditation. Because through my loss and this is just kind of for, because even though I know a lot of people, they're kind of choosing do I pay my bills or what do I do? Because the way you know, council talks and all this kind of fraudulent stuff that they're throwing us, and I was like you know, they did save this for people like you have to protect yourself, you can't allow them and through my journey of exposing everything, got somebody on.

Speaker 2: 31:30

And then I started learning about sovereignty, common law, and then just realized the power of the signature and, like I had a lot of court I've had over 100 court cases even after I just kept going. I had a criminal case here. We had tenement building and the tenants weren't paying and we ran out of money so we couldn't pay for the water. So they turned off the water and then they blamed me. They said I done it intentionally. I didn't. They turned it off themselves, so most left, but three didn't and they sued me. They, they tried to get me in jail for three years because of that and it was like my life could have changed based on a judge's decision. And like I'm in court with different prosecutors one of them was fast asleep during the court case and you're looking and you're going. This is my life and I know there's millions of people have experienced this kind of thing. So I was like there's no one ever getting my trust again. I was born free. I'm going to stay free.

Speaker 2: 32:21

So I started reading 20 books on sovereignty and it was like my signature when you sign it, like if you do jaywalking, say or it's always saying that way because you're confirming that you agree to what they've just done to you, and even the courts, like they were trying to get me in for something else. And it's like sometimes people go into court and they're kind of going oh, show me the jurisdiction and show me how we've got this too late. You don't even go into court and they're kind of going oh, show me the jurisdiction and show me how we've got this Too late. You don't even go into court, you actually go. You're writing to the corporate entity instead of the living soul and the same with, like bailiffs. I had bailiffs coming after me and I used GDPR. I was like you're not supposed to have this information and I had a detective. They were trying to get me in for something. It wasn't for me, but it was kind of some company, by the way, but they always do that. And and I was like last time I got called and I had so many cases I won and I haven't got a penny. Who's going to pay for my time. And I said you're also right right into the wrong person. I thought, okay, they're gonna come to my door next week. That's well over a year ago. So I've've realized the power. And the same with lockdown, they were going on making everyone wear a muzzle. I never did.

Speaker 2: 33:29

I walk around the shopping center, little, with my son I was the only one and we went into one kind of big shopping center and the police came along. I saw him coming and I was bringing my trolley out. It wasn't in little, it was a big kind of place for those other shops and actually man screams at me in polish and I just turned to him. I said, are you talking to me? And he kind of was taken back he's a masculine. I said, oh yeah, and I just turned and just walked and there was nothing done and it was a good to show my child don't fear these people.

Speaker 2: 33:59

And it was the same when I had the court case with the tenements, like when I was taking, when I had them buildings tenants weren't paying, so we basically had to do eviction, but not that they'd be thrown on the street. But the city then provides them because I don't want anybody to be home, so I don't agree with anyone being homeless. So the city then says we've nowhere to put them, so they're supposed to pay your rent. And you can't do it as a block. To sue, to get evict, you have to do each one individually and as soon as the city then is supposed to take these people, they're supposed to provide, pay your rent for the people that are staying there, and they weren't. So then you have to sue the city and you can't sue them as a block, you have to sue them individually. So you have to pay the court fee, the solicitor fee, up front.

Speaker 2: 34:44

And the minute I done that I was attacked left, right and center. The cleaning police just every day coming attack me, the technical inspectors oh, look at this, look at that, just taking money and and bank account, just throwing, whipping out money. And then I was like I started standing up to the cleaning place, I started screaming at them. I said you know, this is wrong. And each time they put their head down judges, I, we had um one judge. The rent at the time when we bought it was one dollar per meter squared and the judge said we need to hire an engineer at my cost to check that the payments weren't, the rent wasn't too high. And I was like I just lost it and I started screaming at her and instead of saying you're in contempt, and she just put her head down and started nodding.

Speaker 2: 35:30

So I've kind of realized through my journey of all of this don't give them the power, don't give them the power. And the same with the doctors and everything Like you respect the different people, but if you see that they're controlling you or they're trying to think that you're same with counselors and everything. Don't give them the power. And I know that there's people not paying council tax, there's not paying all the different things, because I don't know what it's like in the uk, but in poland, here, I don't know my driving and in the pothole around the road, like you know, it's so bad and I know that's a lot in a lot of countries around the world and it's like it's all a fraud and you don't have to be paying this and income taxes, like there's.

Speaker 2: 36:06

There's people I know in the uk and basically they've removed their gas meters. They told them hey, collect your gas meter, they install their own. They get a registered guy to install it so they can't claim safety. They've done that with electricity, water, gas and four years later they haven't paid a bill. And that's the way. Wow, because the cost of actually providing all this is tiny and they're making it look like and as people can barely survive in the amount of income tax that they're paying.

Speaker 2: 36:34

So what I say is you don't, like, don't think some solicitor is going to search out your accountant. I've had a load of companies and accountant will never come along and go right, you should do this, this and this companies. An accountant will never come along and go roy, you should do this, this and this because you'll reduce your tax bill. It was like at one stage I had the polish company for that that was registered. I had a polish bond and the irish one for the polish property and I got this tax bill and I bought a book called tax magic was written by a guy from the revenue and I went in and I said and these were auditors as well, so they, they were kind of you know, fairly established to come from and I was like, can I do this, this, this, this and this? Yeah, okay, I got a tax rebate.

Speaker 2: 37:10

I was like, why don't they tell me this? And this is like, and I asked loads of business people yeah, that's the way it is. So sometimes people, even for simple things, like if you're a business owner, you just kind of go yeah, my accountant has my back, my solicitors are my back. I've won all my cases myself, even though I brought solicitors with me, most of them not all the time, but it was never because of their skill set. It was always me just paying attention and going say this, say this, and I'd catch them out on the lie, and that's why we'd win. Where some people, they kind of just pass it off, and so don't ever do that. Take control of everything, because nobody will kind of look after your company as much as you will. So don't ever think that they've got your back because they don't. They've got their own pockets yeah, unless they are rare.

Speaker 1: 37:53

I mean, I was lucky with an accountant where he would really really help. He really did help enormously, but we went through a very long process of screening multiple accountants before taking him on. Sometimes people don't realize that's an option. Like we were saying before, if they do realize it's an option, sometimes they're not prepared to do the work. People would just like to go. I just want to delegate this problem to someone else. People would just like to go. I just want to delegate this problem to someone else. I just want them to deal with it, which, if you've got somebody who's really good and ethical and skilled and experienced and everything else, maybe they will, but maybe they won't. So I'm hearing from what you're saying is a lot of it's about responsibility, isn't it no?

Speaker 2: 38:43

absolutely and like when I lost everything cause it's like you're watching the the, the Polish accountants and solicitors they're just like good luck boy and just didn't want to know me. But the Irish solicitor and accountant they stuck by me, didn't know I had no money, but they were all there for a phone call, helped me out and everything and it meant so much and it was like, even though I never needed their service anymore, I was always giving them a bottle at Christmas. It was just, I respected them so much for doing that. But there's a lot they'll just like if you run out of funds, they're like, yeah, I'd want you. And they don't think of the 10 years that you were reclined with them.

Speaker 1: 39:18

Yeah, that reminds of a situation I had where I sent a car off quite a nice car to be sold and then it just disappeared. The broker, obviously, who was going to sell it, went bust. It got seized. I found out years later that it got seized because the High Court had given the debt collector's permission to take anything that was on this guy's property, regardless of whether he said it wasn't his. So they'd taken it. It had been auctioned off.

Speaker 1: 39:50

Eventually, the police found it and brought it back and I was allocated a police constable to deal with throughout the whole case, which went on for about three years. In the end, and also as a child, I'd been given advice not to necessarily assume that the police are going to help me, let's say. But this guy was fantastic, absolutely fantastic all the way through and by the end of it I was so grateful. I sent him a big bottle of whiskey and a box of chocolates, which I had to get special permission to do that, because he's not allowed to receive gifts. So we had to get everyone else in the office to secretly help me to do this so that he could get this gift. And it was all really lovely. It was a great experience and it completely changed my a bit, like you were saying, when you found the really great medical people. It really reminded me you know, some of these people are fantastic people and I was even able to ask him questions during the whole COVID time about what's it like for you at the moment and he told me what it was like really for him and his colleagues.

Speaker 1: 41:01

You know genuinely and because he was a good guy. He wasn't actually trying to control and dominate people, he was trying to do his job but he was trying to do it in the humanist way he possibly could. But it meant I got a whole side of insight. And listening to you is fascinating because you've engaged with all sorts of people that normally most people wouldn't end up engaging with and you've learned so much about what are all these different pressures that are going on and all these people in this kind of system. And you've also learned that you don't just have to accept the first thing you're told. You can actually engage and I think it's very courageous of you actually to go through everything you've gone through, particularly because it must have been very stressful, losing all that money and all those assets. You didn't go off and lick your wounds. You your wounds. You went right. I'm gonna stand up and go and do something even more scary. You just got on with it. I mean, that's really unusual for someone to do that, don't you think?

Speaker 2: 42:03

it is unusual, but I think there's a, there's a few, and when you kind of talk to people and but the thing is you like you get depressed and people just curl up in the ball. They don't want to get up, and I understand that, but it's like you just go okay, what do I need to do? And what usually happens is people they're concentrating on the debt, so they put their thoughts and their energy towards debt, so they attract debt. And it was like one guy said to me money solves everything. So then I just changed my shift all right, let's concentrate on bringing in income and then that can resolve all these different things. And I know it's hard, but it's like don't be thinking about it.

Speaker 2: 42:41

Like I remember, like the, the credit card companies, like they'd be ringing, they'd be abusing I mean I record everything now because I don't trust any of them. It's like you know anything there's, but like they should all be in jail for the calls that they'd make. And then they get judgment letters and they'd be saying like, if you don't pay this you're going to, it's going to be published in the newspaper and everything. That's like the bully boy in the school yeah, that's twice your height, kind of going hey, give me your money or I give you a platter, like they know you've no money and yet they're threatening you with this. So no wonder, unfortunately, so many people throwing the tone like I get it. I get that they you're on the ground and they're just kicking you as hard as they can. And not only are they kicking you, they're putting on steel toe cap boots to make sure that it really hurts. So it's like, don't give it to them when you're talking to them like what I would say to people because sometimes it's not just government organizations that they own the money but don't avoid the calls. Just tell them hey, this is what the situation is. As soon as I get this, I'll pay you this or work it out. But just take the calls. But don't accept someone to be abusing you and then just say, look, I'll talk to you in a month or whatever, but don't be having like that. They're ringing you every day. So even my situation I had something like 42 grand in credit card debt and I got a write-off of 30 grand. I got full and final settlement for 12 grand and what I don't know is they shouldn't have got a penny. I shouldn't have paid them a penny because I know how to do it, now that they never get anything, but I even thought that was a big win by the way I done it. It is a big win, but the reality is the whole thing is all fraudulent anyway.

Speaker 2: 44:14

So once you get, you start looking at this, there's ways and like there's people now that are sharing how to avoid the and I wouldn't say avoid is that you shouldn't be paying council tax. You shouldn't be paying property tax, what you bought a property like. You know if, if I die in the morning, that the money my assets is taxed for my children, how is that right? So it's like no, you start looking at everything, look at trusts and things like that. They create these loopholes for themselves. There's ways that you can legally I'm not saying do anything illegal, do everything proper, but do it in a way that you're protecting yourself, you're protecting your assets and that they can't touch it. And when you do that, then you feel better, you get stronger and you surround yourself with a circle of people that are kind of fighting this as well, and we're all sharing stuff and it's like okay, and then you never fail yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.

Speaker 1: 45:09

So I can imagine when people listen to your because you've got several podcasts I'm not going to ask you to describe all of them, but I can imagine people listening to you regularly finding that very strengthening, encouraging, you know, because there's that general sort of sense. And actually even on the prequel that we had a couple of weeks ago, you gave me a couple of bits of advice about podcasting and you gave it in a way which made me feel like, hey, I could do that. It was encouraging, challenging and encouraging, and I think that sometimes is what people need challenging and encouraging and with some information. So I I appreciate that energy that you're that you're bringing and and as a podcaster myself, I I know it takes work to keep, you know, pumping out the episodes and to keep coming up with what you're going to talk about. So it it feels to me like you're providing a really important service in the world at the moment.

Speaker 2: 46:14

Like there's a lot of people say with the awakening, where I'm kind of exposing stuff, but I always look at solutions. So there's loads of people. It's like the news. You're looking at the news and you're seeing what's going on and you're like, well, you know, I think people don't know that how corrupt it is because of like faith corporations only to present to the media. So it's just regard stated. But even how corrupt it is because there's like five corporations only to present to the media. So it's just regurgitated. But even there's a lot of podcasters that are out there and they're just saying the doom and gloom and, oh, look at this, look at that. That's not helping you.

Speaker 2: 46:39

So I do it in such a way that I think you need to know what's going on, but also I'm telling you plenty of things for your health. Oh, you can be better and as soon as you actually kind of get rid of one ailment. So, for example, if somebody now had sciatica and they've just listened to this and they went away and get started, what are they capable of doing? Their life has just changed and there's so many things like that and it's just a case of don't spend your time on the negative stuff, just like this health podcast, this. There's a lot of things that reading the books I mean I read a load of books on health I mean I've totally changed my mindset on everything based on guests coming on and, like I even said, don't believe everything I'm saying, do your own research. So guests will come on and I go that's interesting, I didn't think it that way. Then I get a load of books. Then I get other guests and I go, oh, they were right, my belief systems have taught me differently and I'm okay.

Speaker 2: 47:26

Don't let the ego get in the way, because a lot of people they have a belief system and especially in the lockdown thing, you believe one thing or the other and families came clashing against. I know there's so much information you kind of go he was wrong, but the ego's in the way, so they will never admit it. It's okay to say I was wrong. I've often done it. I've often had a different belief system. That's okay. We all we think a certain way based on the circumstances that are fed of that information. And if you you know no differently, it's okay to put up your hand and say I no longer believe this. And I think that's why sometimes my message gets across, because I will say it. This is how I felt. Like I said earlier, I trusted the government. I thought it was all good and now I don't trust any government around the world.

Speaker 2: 48:04

I've looked at all of them and how they're operating and, like Ireland is falling apart the way they've done it. It's all orchestrated. But at least I'm coming from a place where the person, the still people, believe that and I think when you can kind of go back to where you were and see where they're coming from, as opposed to hate Because some people are going, they're calling me you idiot, you believe this. How do you believe that? And they don't realize that their world is totally different to theirs and we should never be fighting, should be just trying to hold each other's hands and go okay, look, if you don't believe, that's okay.

Speaker 2: 48:36

And sometimes it's just a little slight little thing. You know just different little things, like one that I tell people and they're kind of shocked to say, like the roll on deodorants, like you can use natural roll ons that are very good. Most people don't. They block the pores, hence why a lot of women get breast cancer because the pores are blocked and they still have to sweat and get out and they know that. Yeah, that's just simple, things like that. And then you can change someone's life based on that and it's like, okay, that's interesting. And then you just start looking at the thing, like with my house I use natural products for cleaning the floor. I, you know, no fluoride in the toothpaste.

Speaker 2: 49:12

Never like a microwave. I ate dinners when I was working in ireland, microwave dinners because it was convenient and then I realized how dangerous they were. I wouldn't touch one, though if I go into a restaurant I hear a ding. I'll never go back to that restaurant. It's like, and just for those that have a microwave, like they were banned in russia in the seven early 70s because they knew how dangerous they were. But I tell people, get your partner's phone and put it into the microwave and close it. Don't turn it on, obviously, but just ring them. If it rings it means it's leaking and you have kids looking into the microwave and they're just kind of going and of the ones I've tested there was only one that didn't leak. So most of the microwaves are even leaking and even even if a woman is pregnant and she's around that it's so dangerous. So if you've got a microwave, either recycle it or take off the door. But the plants they didn't make kind of a feature of the house but good solution, fantastic.

Speaker 1: 50:07

So, um, you know, one of the things I like to think about is that we've got a lot of people in the world today in various leadership positions and a lot of them actually want to be part of the solution. Maybe not all of them, but I think a lot of them do, and some of those people are listening to this podcast right now. Is there something you'd like to say to people who who want to be good leaders, you know, who really want to be part of the solution, part of helping things be better?

Speaker 2: 50:38

well, I know that, like, say, with my mom, my mom was always seeing what I was doing and she was like, look, don't be worrying yourself, but just leave your own life. And I get that as well. Some people say it will be what it is, and just you just do your own thing and just don't be getting stressed over these things. But how much better has the world got as the years went by. You can no longer ignore it. And even if you might think, ah, it's not going to affect me, what about your kids, what about their kids? And like the little changes. So I see, even from having people on, there's some like these corporations and they're bringing in meditation, they're bringing in different things and like that's middle management and sometimes that's kind of. And it's like if you see something that's happening in your company that you know is not for the betterment of mankind, don't turn your back because go, oh, I have to pay my mortgage, even if you have to do it on the quiet whistleblower, whistleblower. Don't let it happen.

Speaker 2: 51:32

Everything has a consequence. So you know, like saying with your kids, and like parents they bring their kids to McDonald's, thinking, ah, it's okay, we keep them happy and everything, like the chips are something like 14 ingredients. They're toxic. I mean, we see pictures of people. So I mean we see pictures of people, so everything has a consequence, the compound effect. You don't just take a hamburger from McDonald's and drop dead on the floor, cause if you did, that would be the end of it. It takes a few years and they're wondering why people are sick all the time.

Speaker 2: 52:03

So if you're working for these corporations, yeah, you might have a big bank book, but are you happy that all of your relations and friends and everything are going to be dying slowly because of this? It all has a knock-on effect and I mean, like you look at the food now in america, like this, people with bananas don't have bananas, just like everything. Blueberries that are like rubber, everything is like that. If you're part of this and you know about it, I get it that you can kind of maybe stop whatever level you're at. Why does it have to be like that? So even if you quietly whistle the blow and send it out to journalists and stuff like that, but don't just turn your back and say I'm protecting myself, I can't do nothing because you're part of the problem if you don't expose it.

Speaker 1: 52:40

Thank you a strong message. I'm very glad I'm not currently involved in something which is toxic for the world, because if I was, I would have to have a very strong rethink. So, um, roy, you've got your podcast and I know there's a variety of topics there which people can find when they go to that link. Um, are there other ways in which you're helping people at the moment other than podcasting?

Speaker 2: 53:07

yeah. So one of the guys that I've partnered with. He's helping people with anxiety addictions. Even he's got two programs. One is like that and the other is for like fear, procrastiving their moments of pain, and then they come up going I feel better next week. They're the exact same. That's. That's the kind of you know the band-aid. That's not, that's not fixing you.

Speaker 2: 53:44

So working with him or helping people he's even worked with prisons and stuff like that he's helped people heroin addict, get off the heroin, like even young people. There was one guy there recently. He's like 23 and he says my life has totally changed. So people that are soothed. So for me it's like the stuff that I'm working on is to help people. And the other guy I'm working with, arnold beck, is he's doing brain fitness gym, because a lot of times we go to the gym and we do all the weights and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 54:08

But what about the mind? What about the amount? And it's like everything we've talked about that we've put programs together and it's really good and it's like it's all about making the world better. And I was talking to them today, we were just going through what we're doing and it's like we're trying to put together now a program like that, a resource that people can go like to say advocating, and just only have the people that are knowledgeable to put in the information. So if you have an ailment you go in and check it and that you know, just donations or something. It's not something all you have to buy this. It's like somewhere that we can trust because, like I've always looked at that, it's like there's no point in complaining what's bad with the world, like the one thing that I got a pet peeve with now is the spraying like I know it. I know from patents, I know from freedom of information. The uk have actually even said oh, it's for blocking out the sun, for climate change. You know, so you know, and we see all the toxins that they're spraying. But in tennessee they've actually banned it and the sky is now clear.

Speaker 2: 55:07

So I'm trying to figure out what did they do and try to do it myself, because there's no point in living in hope. I hope it'll get better. I hope this politician with hope is not a strategies You're going to go. If there's something you hate in the world, figure out who else hates it, come together, because then you've got your little, you know, army of people that will support you, and okay, let's make a plan. What can we do? Because somebody worked out recently army of people that will support you and okay, let's make a plan. What can we do? Because somebody worked out recently I think it was a david somebody was telling me that it's something like for every mep it's like 170 000 people that they represent and we bow to them and they let them think that they're in control and you listen to them.

Speaker 2: 55:44

I mean, I look at the governments, the parliaments around the world, in the uk, in ireland, and you're like these guys are pathetic the way they speak, what they're talking about. There's people living on the street. There's people living in fairness, people in like this. There's people coming in, military men coming in. That gets free housing, get free money, free everything, and you have a pensioner that's worked all their life and they're choosing between feeding themselves and heating themselves. It's like so you get the people that don't like this and you start creating something that will change, and I mean protest, march and all this. I think you should surround the house of the councillors and that's what you do. Go for the individual, because they're the ones that are actually doing this to us Instead of thinking that they have control over us. They don't. They're serving us and we have to let them know that they're serving us.

Speaker 1: 56:33

Right.

Speaker 2: 56:37

Rantover Got it.

Speaker 1: 56:45

So please just remind us of where people can go to find you and all these different things that you're doing.

Speaker 2: 56:50

Remind us of where people can go to find you and all these different things that you're doing. So biolink slash podcaster is where everything my social media and all my podcasts and everything else that I'm doing- Fantastic, excellent, and has there been a favorite part of our conversation today for you, roy?

Speaker 2: 57:14

Honestly, from the moment we started speaking, I've totally enjoyed it all and I think, just on the stories that we're sharing with each other, that the most important is people can resonate with it. And when you like, for example like I was talking about the cleaning products and all the different things don't overwhelm yourself. You can just say, all right, this week I'm going to change my toothpaste, next week I'm going to change the floor powder, next week I'm going to do my gas. Oh well, don't try to do 50 things at once, don't overwhelm yourself. Just chill and just do it. And then try to get a few people involved. And I think by not getting too excited and thinking, oh no, everything is so bad, I need to do all this, just go okay. So that means by this time next year, if you do just one thing a week, look how much better you are next year and you start just feeling healthier, your mind, you get more productive and it's just, it's a knock-on effect. So I think all the different things that we've covered, I think people can resonate with the.

Speaker 2: 58:08

You know the loss and if, whether it's happening themselves and I think that's one of the things as well as when something happens, yeah, whether with the court, with with anything that are in a hospital, your fight is different because you first-hand experience, instead of hearing the story, or you read the book, and there's more and more and more people now going through this, where they're basically everything is taken off them, and then you're looking at the people that are just getting everything for nothing and you're going how is this right? And it's like don't accept it. But don't get angry, don't start fighting people. Don't start throwing rocks.

Speaker 2: 58:40

Just think get into a strategy, get the right people and everything can be changed. Don't don't throw in the towel. There is hope they're. They make so many errors and they believe in karma, so they tell you what they're doing, everything. I know people think you've got a magic ball. I don't have a magic ball, it's just they tell you what they're doing and once you can read between the lines and you know where to look, you know exactly what's coming, so you're prepared for it and you can stop them in their tracks yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 1: 59:07

Well, I think that's a very, very wonderful closing piece of advice for everybody. So, roy Coughlin, thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been edifying and fascinating.

Speaker 2: 59:18

Thank you very much for having me. I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.

Speaker 1: 59:28

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