Ep 164: Clive de Carle ~ Natural Health & The Power of the Mind

How does the power of the mind shape our health? Meet Clive De Carle, a rock star in the natural health field, as he shares his profound journey from childhood realisations about the mind's influence to overcoming severe rheumatoid arthritis through natural methods. His personal stories, including a life-altering out-of-body experience, will leave you questioning the conventional approaches to healing and the incredible potential within us all.

Explore the transformative concepts of gratitude and self-forgiveness as we delve into how every experience, no matter how challenging, contributes to personal growth. Listen to inspiring anecdotes about gratitude and how adversity can uncover unexpected strength. Learn powerful techniques from hypnosis and NLP (neurolinguistic programming) that can aid in personal healing and growth.

An anecdotal story about battles with depression and the discovery of niacin as a treatment brings us into a broader discussion on the limitations of conventional medicine and the growing awareness of natural remedies. We also critique one-size-fits-all health plans and emphasise the importance of individualized approaches. Clive's extensive experience offers practical advice and underscores the importance of effective communication and a positive mindset in navigating health challenges. Join us for an inspiring episode that champions the potential of natural health and the power of the mind.

Where to find Clive:
https://clivedecarle.com
https://secrethealthclub.com

Chapters

• 0:02 Healing Through Mind and Natural Health
• 13:23 Resilience and Self-Forgiveness
• 20:40 The Power of Hypnosis and Healing
• 26:22 Exploring Natural Healing Beyond Medication
• 34:56 Rethinking Health and Natural Food
• 49:31 Empowering Others to Lead Effectively
• 53:05 Effective Communication and Natural Health
• 57:42 Expressing Gratitude and Sharing Wisdom

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Truth and Transcendence, brought to you by being Space with Catherine Llewellyn. Truth and Transcendence, episode 164, with special guest Clive DeKalb Now Clive. I don't know if you've heard of Clive, but he's actually a rock star in the natural health space, although Clive, as a true Brit, prefers to describe himself as a bloke who knows some stuff. So you can take that any way you like, but Clive's actually been beavering away for over 30 years in the natural health space helping thousands of clients transform their health, and not in a mainstream fashion. So he's a man of my own heart, because that's how I was brought up as well, and I think this is becoming more and more recognized now that actually maybe the body can heal itself and if we help it, maybe that's a good thing. So today we're going to be talking about natural health and also the power of the mind, which is another of my favorite topics and something that Clive has a very strong connection with.

Speaker 1: 1:21

So I'm going to, right up front, tell you how to find Clive. The website is clivedecarlecom, c-l-i-v-e-d-e-c-a-r-l-ecom, and he's also got a secret health club, which is, if you want to find out all sorts of secrets about natural health that Clive is not allowed to publish in the public domain. You can join his secret health club, which is not allowed to publish in the public domain. You can join his secret health club, which is secrethealthclubcom, and I personally swear by his magnesium blend, his fulvic minerals and his iodine Highly recommended. So, clive, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Speaker 2: 2:02

Well, thank you very much for inviting me, catherine. Thank you, thank you so much for coming on the show. Well, thank you very much for inviting me, catherine.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Thank you. I've seen you in all sorts of videos and conversations all over the place telling people these marvelous things about how their body can heal itself with the right kind of assistance. But I didn't know until we spoke last time in the prequel about your connection with the power of the mind. So I'd love to ask you about that to begin with. So is this something you've kind of been connected to for a long time, or is it something that's more recent for you? I mean, what was your sort of earliest engagement with this idea of the power of the mind?

Speaker 2: 2:42

Well, when I was about 10, I was invited to go fishing and it was in waters that were crystal clear.

Speaker 2: 2:48

You could see the fish, you could see everything, and on top of that we had a bucket with a glass bottom which you could put in the water.

Speaker 2: 2:53

And now everything was absolutely clear, like wearing a snorkel mask, and uh, we reached fishing and I didn't want to put the live maggot on the hook to start with and I was dreading taking the hook out of the fish's mouth if I actually caught one person I was with caught lots of fish, just one after another after another, and we could see that the fish were totally ignoring my bait and were just going to his. There's a bit of frenzy around here's nothing around mine. We swap fishing lines immediately. Well, in a few seconds the fish realized, hang on, something's changed and they go over to what was my line and go mental. So he caught a whole bundle of fish. I just caught sunstroke and I realized that, while I couldn't read the fish's mind, it was apparent to me that they knew I didn't want to catch them because I didn't want to hurt them, so they weren't giving themselves up to me gosh, and how old were you then when this happened?

Speaker 2: 3:55

about 10, wow so I think, possibly the next thing that happened to me maybe was that, um, I suddenly am floating on the ceiling, all my cares and worries have disappeared and there's what appears to be my dead body lying in a very odd shape on the ground. So I experienced total release from all cares and worries and I realized that, uh, actually, if that was death, that it's fantastic and you'll still you. Uh, yes, you haven't got a body anymore, but that's irrelevant. So, um, over the years, you know I I took an antibiotic 40 years ago which left me with so bad, so appalling rheumatoid arthritis. I couldn't get dressed or walk and they shoved me in hospital for weeks. They tried to offer me drugs. I say I'm not low on drugs, it's not my problem and I worked out in hospital what was wrong with me. I'd, the antibiotic that I'd taken for something ridiculously trivial had knocked out my microbiome and I couldn't absorb food properly anymore. So I got wheeled out of the hospital, started taking vitamins and minerals and change my diet a little bit, and all the rheumatoid arthritis went away. So be careful of antibiotics. They're not as one might think anyway.

Speaker 2: 5:20

So that put me on a path of having healed myself. I was interested in healing other people, so I started studying, uh and learning about natural medicine and. But the interesting part, I think, is a few years back I had one of my best results ever. Um, somebody came to me. They were in pain, they couldn't see very well and they had brain fog. Anyway, I wired them up to four devices that I was using at the time. At the end of an hour they were completely fixed pain gone, eyesight clear, brain clear. And I looked over and I'd forgotten to switch the machines on.

Speaker 1: 6:02

Fascinating.

Speaker 2: 6:04

Out of the mind.

Speaker 1: 6:09

That's fascinating, isn't it? And presumably they thought the machines were on you both.

Speaker 2: 6:11

Oh, absolutely, and I wasn't about to tell them they hadn't been no that probably would have undone it.

Speaker 2: 6:16

But you know, prior to to that, you know, 20 odd years ago, um, if you'd asked me what do you do, I might said to you well, I use hypnosis as my primary tool and the use of words has been incredibly effective. And to give you an example, let's say I'm trying to get somebody out of pain With what I now know. I can usually get most people out of chronic pain in five minutes. It's not so hard. So what I do is I say how much pain you intense agony give it. Give us a number and they say whatever. One out of six out of ten they might say so after I've done a treatment with them, I won't say how's the pain now, for instance, I get them to look for something non-existent. I say has it gone? If you look for pain, you will find it. If you look for gone, there's nothing to find.

Speaker 1: 7:10

Ah, interesting.

Speaker 2: 7:12

So I always say has it gone Now? If they say, well, it's gone from 6 out of 10 to 3 out of 10, then I can say, well, look, we've only done a couple of minutes, that's fantastic, let's now get it to zero. So I'm constantly using the right wording to have to pre-predict the answer without saying you will. I'm using words like you, other people like you usually find, and then you can change your intonation when you're speaking to somebody to switch a normal sentence into a command. A lot of people like you often get better right away. Yeah, obviously, your command to get better right away. So I know I'm happy to use every trick in the book.

Speaker 1: 7:56

I don't care what gets people well yes yes, if I can talk them well, well, that's great so you're sort of predisposing them to the to the good results, rather than predisposing them to the bad results.

Speaker 2: 8:08

Well, exactly, I mean, what's the worst thing that can happen? Somebody goes to the doctor. The doctor says you've got three months left to live. And you believe it.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:15

If you believe it, you're probably dying in three months' time. Yeah, you know, loads of people obviously have just rejected that whole notion. Don't be ridiculous. And, you know, haven't died on time. One of the reasons, by the way, that they can say so accurately, you've got six months left to live is that nobody on the drug I'm going to put you on has lived past six months you've got six months left to live and I'm going to make sure of it by giving you these pills.

Speaker 1: 8:42

yeah, which is sad, we but it is sad, oh right. So I had no idea that you'd work in a kind of hypnotic way with people. You've got the perfect voice for it, clive, haven't you this?

Speaker 1: 8:56

marvellous resonant voice, which is delightful. So what do you think? Which is delightful? We had this brief conversation when we were talking before this thing about how different people respond to the same situation. I've known a lot of people take antibiotics and suffer as a result and not become natural health experts, not realize their body could heal themselves. So what do you think it is about you? That kind of meant that you took that path instead of taking the what you might call the victim path in response to that situation what you might call the victim path.

Speaker 2: 9:51

In response to that situation. Um, well, I mean years ago, 20 odd years ago, I was studying survivors. What was it that? For instance, let's say cancer or something what the survivors and there aren't that many of them long term I wanted to know what they'd done right, and I was expecting them to say things like well, it was a combination of vitamin c and vitamin d and magnesium or something. You know, that's what I was expecting. But literally nine out of ten uh, said the same thing. They said it was gratitude. I said what do you mean? And and they would say things like well, I hated it.

Speaker 2: 10:23

When this illness, whatever it was, first happened, uh, it was a nightmare. This could even apply to a loss of a child or something equally terrible. Um, I hated it. I, you know, it was just awful, awful, awful. And then suddenly I realized that, uh, illness doesn't happen to you, it happens for you. The body never goes wrong. The body might adapt to being poisoned, it might adapt to being malnourished, but it's never going to let you down, it's just going to adapt.

Speaker 2: 10:57

So if somebody gets some sort of illness, there is a reason for it. It could be that their diet has been rubbish. It could be that the water's not good. It could be they got raped as a child and never gone over it. It could be that they're married to the wrong person. It could be a whole host of different things. Um so uh, they got to the stage where, if you like, the trauma, for instance, had been released. They'd now changed or realized what they had to change in their life and actually become grateful to the illness because it woke them up. They realized it happened for me. It didn't happen to me. I'm not the victim. This was a wake-up call. If it's something serious, well it's a hell of a wake-up call. It means you've been getting things wrong for a long time eating, eating wrong foods for a long time, being in the wrong job, whatever it might be.

Speaker 1: 11:53

That's really interesting.

Speaker 1: 11:54

That just reminded me of a friend of mine who got some sort of horrible stomach cancer and he didn't realize he had the cancer until he'd had it for quite a long time, and so he was then dying and I used to go and visit him and he told me that he learned that one of the things that people who get cancer have in common this is what he was telling me was that they were not open to receiving love.

Speaker 1: 12:29

They had a block on receiving love, and when he realized that he cracked open and started receiving love and he experienced so much love in that last period of his life. He still died, but he had a complete transformation of his experience of being human in that last period of his life. That really, really struck me when he told me, because he was a wreck physically at this point. He could barely move, he was in real, terrible pain, but he'd had this insight and it took the disease to get him to reach out and do the research because he thought there's something here I need to understand. I can't ignore it anymore. Does that resonate with what you were talking about?

Speaker 2: 13:22

Well, very much so. I mean, you know, if there's a reason for everything, if everything happens for a reason, then surely if we get ill, the next steps should be to recognize the cause, remedy the situation, get better and teach others how to avoid it in the first place.

Speaker 1: 13:41

Yes.

Speaker 2: 13:42

So the second one was forgiveness. Obviously it in the first place. Yes, so the second one was forgiveness. Obviously, you know, after gratitude came forgiveness of the others and forgiveness of yourself, because at the end of the day, nobody's ever made a mistake. Right, it may seem like that in retrospect, but at the time, all the stupid things we've ever done, we thought it was going to be the right thing to do at the time. Yes, but stupid. So you never made a mistake made. You made some really stupid choices and people would be I made such a mistake, you didn't. You pressed the fun button and maybe you regretted it or whatever.

Speaker 1: 14:16

Yes, yes. Or you didn't let yourself press the fun button because you thought you should do something else, and then you learned from it, Just equally yes. I'm going to take that on board. Clive, actually that sort of went in. When you said just then about self-forgiveness and not having made a mistake, something in my spirit just went. Oh really, that's really nice to hear. That is a beautiful message. Actually, I think a lot of people. If they just actually reflected on that message, I can see how that makes such a difference you.

Speaker 2: 15:05

That was the old you. You can now allow yourself to say well, where should the past be? Is it right in front of my face? Am I thinking about the past all the time? The past should be behind you, right, and you can literally choose to put it behind you and be grateful to it, because the more mistakes you made, or the more bad choices you took, the better, because, I mean, you know, I got to stage at one point, having been very wealthy, to having nothing and having to start again, and at that point it was super useful because, although I didn't like it much, um, my ego got shredded in in, I think, a positive way. You know, uh and um, uh, yeah, if I haven't gone that far to the bottom, I don't think I'd be have been able to get where I am now, which is happy and content and and stuff yeah and being the better it could be do you think it changed your, uh, your, your sort of personal capacities or qualities, going through that experience?

Speaker 2: 16:08

well, I lost a bit of ego, which was pretty valuable. But I've had lots of really interesting lessons in my life. I mean, when I was on my way down, I was sitting at home on the floor feeling so sorry for myself. I was really in the most miserable place you can imagine. And the phone rings and I go over to the phone. Hello, and I'm so happily married but it's this incredibly sexy girl on the phone and I know that nothing's going to happen. But I'm so excited that this incredibly sexy girl is ringing me that I went from utter misery to exaltation in two seconds flat. I said oh my god, you know I did that. A phone call did that a bit of non-reality, did that?

Speaker 1: 16:58

surely I'm in more control than I had previously believed yeah, well, well, certainly capable of switching your experience from one thing to another. How did you know she was sexy if she was just on the phone?

Speaker 2: 17:12

I'd met her.

Speaker 1: 17:12

Oh, you knew her right. How wonderful. I love that.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Yeah, but sometimes it's these little tiny things that actually change the whole course of your life in a way.

Speaker 1: 17:23

Yeah, I mean that's very memorable. I can resonate to that because I've had moments when I've been sort of wallowing in my pain, the disaster of my life, and what am I even for All those thoughts, and then someone rings me up and goes hello, what's going on? And suddenly, oh, my life's terrible, I'm dying. Well, I well, I love you.

Speaker 1: 17:46

Damn it, they've broken my mood I'm so selfish of them I had a friend who used to say I've only got one friend, but he used to say that to all his friends if he had many right. So when I asked you the question about about what was it in you that sort of responded to the whole antibiotic nightmare situation in the way that you did. It sounds like you were kind of very curious. Would you say that was right. Why did you not just go oh right, I'm broken, that's it. Why did you not?

Speaker 2: 18:24

just go oh right, I'm broken, that's it. Well, because I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it. It was very interesting because as I got iller and iller and could do less and less and less, you know, stairs became impossible, and then cutting things I mean everything became really, really difficult. The weird thing is I would have previously said that if I ever got to that stage, I'd probably want to just commit suicide and be over. But it was the opposite. I I was sort of stronger for it. It didn't deplete my will in any way. I was expecting it to. I would have expected it to, but it didn't. Actually, and despite being incredibly limited in what I could suddenly do, I was still confident there had to be an answer. I mean, that's just how it seemed to me.

Speaker 1: 19:10

Yeah, so you were much more resilient than you thought you would be.

Speaker 2: 19:14

Yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:16

And do you think you know you've worked with a lot of people now Do you find that in the people you work with that they're more resilient than they think they're going to be.

Speaker 2: 19:26

Well, I think that is the human condition that you just adapt to where you are and get on with it. That's what it seems. I mean, obviously some people have misery guts and are going to spend their life enjoying themselves by complaining to other people who like suffering. And there must be some chemical in the brain that responds to suffering, because people like wallowing in self-pity.

Speaker 1: 19:53

Yeah, that's true, and I know a number of people who like to do that. I mean, I've got to say these are people I don't spend an enormous amount of time with, because it's not really. It's the opposite of what you were talking about in the way you talk to people, when you say has the pain gone, as opposed to saying so, how bad is the pain now and how much of your body is overwhelmed by the pain, which completely goes in the opposite direction, doesn't it?

Speaker 2: 20:24

I mean it must be miserable for you.

Speaker 1: 20:27

Yes.

Speaker 2: 20:28

Yeah, it is, I hadn't thought about it before.

Speaker 1: 20:30

Yeah, it's miserable, I can only imagine what you must be suffering.

Speaker 2: 20:36

Oh yes.

Speaker 1: 20:39

I love that. So did you actually train in hypnosis or did you just kind of?

Speaker 2: 20:43

Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1: 20:44

Right.

Speaker 2: 20:46

And there's a book called Get the Life you Want. Get the Life you Want by Richard Bandler. Richard Bandler has a mixed reputation because he's the guy who started NLP neurolinguistic programming but like anything, you know, a knife can butter your bread or it can stab somebody. Hypnosis can be used in any way you like. You know any direction. So a lot of people have used this in a direction that's been manipulative, let's say. But what I learned was fantastic and I don't. You know mainly the bits I've taken from it's all sorts of techniques, you know you could ask people questions to see where they look, see what part of brain they're responding, to see if they're telling the truth or not many things that I was taught, but I never used any of those.

Speaker 1: 21:35

I just used the words yeah yeah, that's so powerful yes, well, the thing you, the thing you were saying about wrapping the command within what you're saying, um, I remember learning that because we studied nlp back in the 80s as well, and I remember people were mostly learning to that, um, as part of being able to influence people to buy things exactly that's whereas you're influencing people to well, buy themselves by themselves, I suppose, to kind of activate themselves, to heal themselves, but using the exact same technique.

Speaker 1: 22:10

I mean, it's the first time I've heard somebody using that particular technique for that particular purpose. Yeah, did you come up with that idea yourself, or or did you know a?

Speaker 2: 22:22

lot of it I've inherited and I've read a lot of books by some of the famous siblings. Uh, so a lot of it. I've picked up from other people, most of it, and then you know bits and pieces I suddenly realized were embellished or whatever. But, um, you know, they're being really, really good teachers out there. Um, there's one one uh guy his name is mccall m mc c o double l, who has some fantastic recordings that he made and a couple of books, which is just brilliant. Uh, there's one that I read called hypnosis for conscious consciousness wow and that was very interesting.

Speaker 2: 23:01

I learned some of their techniques.

Speaker 2: 23:03

For instance, one of the techniques was um, uh, you, you take them up, you have them start in a beautiful garden, then you have them float up up the mountains up to a peak and they're really, really high. Then you allow them to, you know, take in the view and everything. Then you say that they'll set, they're safely going to go out into space and float about. And then you start suggesting that there's a star over there which is beaming sort of goldy, diamondy light and you're absorbing it right in so many many things you can play with. And you can get them to come out of their body and look at their body and watch nasty fumes and vapors of all different browns and nasty colors come out of them. And then you can get them, for instance, to see themselves the perfect version of themselves standing out there and getting them to embrace their perfect vision of themselves. Standing out there and getting them to embrace their, their perfect vision of themselves. You can get them to sort of turn around and they're all their ancestors, going absolutely back in time.

Speaker 2: 24:10

Get them to walk amongst them, because they will have messages for you yeah and you turn the other way around, say here are the future generations that that could be what would you like to tell. I mean you can do anything, I mean you can literally do anything, and then you have to take your time bringing them very slowly back. When I was first starting, I made the mistake of bringing people back too fast.

Speaker 1: 24:33

Now you know what, what's going on, you know, so I learned to do the bringing back bit quite slowly yeah well, I had no idea this was part of what you actually do with people, and all of those examples you just gave there are just utterly delightful. I felt myself going off on a little journey. Of course I didn't have my eyes closed, I'm not in a meditative space, so you didn't have to bring me back really slowly. I could just imagine it briefly, but very, very powerful. I feel inspired to ask you have you worked with people who are suffering from mental imbalances and problems where they're experiencing a lot of distress or PTSD or any of those things? Have you worked with people in those situations?

Speaker 2: 25:26

well, I came from a family of depressed people half the family anyway. So my half brother committed suicide when he was young, and so I got quite an interest in making people happy, basically yeah. And so because I felt at the time when my brother was getting ill that I could probably do something, but the only answer I had at the time was and I didn't do it was to give him something like LSD. I felt that was possibly something that might just enlighten him, but I was too scared that he might get worse yeah um, anyway, uh, so I started studying it.

Speaker 2: 26:12

You know schizophrenia, manic depression, bipolar, all the different sort of things, autism, you name it, and depression of all kinds. And I suppose probably the most powerful story about this relates to Bill W, the guy who started Alcoholics Anonymous.

Speaker 1: 26:30

Oh, yeah, and I don't know the story of starting it. No.

Speaker 2: 26:35

Okay, well, he was what they would have called then manic depressive, I think.

Speaker 1: 26:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:41

Oh, we'd call it now. And that was presumably the reason he became an alcoholic in the first place.

Speaker 1: 26:46

Yes.

Speaker 2: 26:46

With depression. Anyway, after he's created the 12 steps and everything, he's now pretty much out of his organization. It's running itself or whatever. And he goes to Dr Abraham Hoffer in Canada, who's a well-known psychiatrist, and says, look, can you fix my depression? Now, he went there because Abraham Hoffer was well-known for not using drugs like the other psychiatrists. He used nutrition and he gave him a bunch of vitamins mainly, but he focused on vitamin B3, which is niacin, and over about 10 days you have to start slowly and build up. He built him up to the level where suddenly he wasn't depressed anymore. He goes back to AA, says he wants to make niacin the 13th step and they sack him because they don't believe that vitamins are the answer. Oh gosh, yeah. So niacin still is as effective as it was all those years back and luckily now there are two types. The old-fashioned type gave you a flush and some people quite like that. You know he gets the blood moving and you're aware of it. Um, but there is a now a non-flushing type, and I I make a uh, basically a blend of several types of niacin and um. So I mean, for instance, the.

Speaker 2: 28:10

The average dose is very small. What your eye might need might be tiny. Let's say you were type 2 diabetic. Well, they're all low on vitamin b3, so you you might want to take just a small amount, the same amount that's in my multi b complex. That would be enough. But uh, there's one case of this woman several years ago, um, who was so depressed. All she did was sit in the corner and rock. That was it. And they built her up to I think it was 10 grams of the non-flush niacin, which is a massive amount, and from one minute to the next she's sitting back at the kitchen table as if nothing had ever happened. She got the dose that she needed, snapped her out of it, so the doses can be quite big. But there's a book by Dr Abraham Hoffer called Niacin, and if anybody has a depressive tendency and wants to look at Niacin, that book is absolutely blow-your-way stunning, because we've just scratched the surface of what vitamin B3 can do.

Speaker 1: 29:17

Do you have any idea at all how it actually does that, how it actually produces that result?

Speaker 2: 29:26

Well, I would suggest that in the old days we were perfect and that nobody had a mental issue. But when we started getting toxic with bad foods and poisonous chemicals and when we started getting malnourished with lack of vitamins and nutrients in the food, that we break at our weakest point. You know, for me it turned out to be rheumatoid arthritis and type 1 diabetes. For many other people it might be epilepsy, it might be, you know, any disease you want to choose. But at the end of the day, you know, the doctors say your body's gone wrong. I don't believe that. They say you've got this disease. I don't believe that either. They say you've got an autoimmune. I don't believe that. What I believe is that we're toxically poisoned and malnourished. We break at our weakest point and they say oh, you've caught a disease. You've suddenly got this disease with this name. No, that's how your body is trying its best to cope with being poisoned and starved I see right, and so are you saying we each have a different weakest point?

Speaker 1: 30:33

yes right, okay, so well, I'm immediately curious. Now I'm wondering what? What is my weakest point?

Speaker 2: 30:41

so, um, if I'm quite healthy, I'm healthy at the moment nothing, you don't have to answer this, but if one particular thing has gone wrong before you keep breaking bones, that might be your weakest point. You keep bruising, you you know, uh, but clearly some foods will poison people in exactly the same way and they'll all have a thyroid problem Of course, yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:05

So you've got a kind of a matrix of each person's got their own makeup, which means a different weakest point, and then certain things commonly have a similar effect on many people.

Speaker 2: 31:17

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1: 31:20

I've got a friend who recently told me they've got a bipolar diagnosis and my response when people say things like that is well, I never really trust these diagnoses anyway.

Speaker 2: 31:29

Um, but I wasn't able to give any suggestions, so I can now say you might try niacin that's one of many things I I could list a whole load, but can I first give you my definition of the word diagnosis.

Speaker 1: 31:45

Oh, please yes.

Speaker 2: 31:47

From the Greek gnosis to know, agnosis, not to know, di-agnosis two people not knowing.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Fantastic, I love it. Well, I probably won't use that when I'm talking to someone who's just had a diagnosis.

Speaker 2: 32:08

No, it takes the pressure out of it.

Speaker 1: 32:10

I suppose so.

Speaker 2: 32:14

Because it may be correct but it might not be. Yeah, I mean, so many people believe the diagnosis and actually there was a big study about 25 years ago I was reading about, where they reviewed what the doctors had said and at autopsy what had actually happened. Then they had other ones where one person would go to 10 different doctors and the differences of opinion between what the person was.

Speaker 2: 32:44

I mean, you know, there wasn't agreement between 10 doctors generally as to what was wrong with one person yeah, yeah but in america, for instance, with private medicine, let's say you come into the doctor's office, who's going to charge you money? Now they're not sure. Is that Parkinson's, or is it multiple sclerosis, or what is it exactly? They just look up in the insurance manual where you get $40,000 for that and $80,000 if you call it that.

Speaker 1: 33:13

Pause to reflect on it.

Speaker 2: 33:16

Horrible. I don't want to dwell on the horrible stories but it's worth understanding that uh, somebody on chemotherapy, uh, one round of chemotherapy might be tens of thousands of pounds. People do 15 rounds. It can be a million quid or something in drugs. And I interviewed a medical nurse who worked for a while with an oncologist before they quit and he said that somebody's got one week left to live Because in America they can get a commission on the drugs. She would see him prescribe a drug that couldn't possibly work in the last week of life but ka-ching, he makes ten thousand dollars or something yeah, that's very sad anyway, the good news is that there the body is self-repairing.

Speaker 2: 34:11

It just needs some help these days in in the modern world. So not poisoning ourselves with toxic foods and toxic chemicals. You're not rubbing toxic, chemical-ridden shampoo right into our brain, you know stuff like that. Be good, filtering the chlorine out the water, that would be good indeed, yes, yeah, eating delicious organic vegetables and things like that.

Speaker 1: 34:35

So I think I can see from what you're saying about this connection between power of the mind and natural health. So you're using you, you've traveled a of the mind and natural health. You've traveled a path where you've understood something about the power of the mind in your own personal experience and you've used that to help escape from the nightmare of the antibiotic thing. By the way, I was told by the dentist I had to take antibiotics for something and I said I can't take antibiotics. And he said well, why don't you just take something sweet afterwards, you'll be fine? I said no, no, no, I don't mean I can't put the thing in my body. I mean if I put it in my body, my body will put me on the sofa throwing up for four hours until it's out of my body.

Speaker 1: 35:18

He went oh, I said is there another option? He said, well, of my body? He went, oh, I said is there another option? He said, well, yeah, you could just rinse it with warm salt water. And I said well, why didn't you just say that in the first place?

Speaker 1: 35:29

And the reason he didn't was because he'd been told he had to tell everybody to take the antibiotics, and also because he was sure that people wanted to be told to take the antibiotics, because they wanted to be given a pill to take, so that would do the job for them without them having to do anything about it, which I do think that's a factor as well, isn't it? I think a lot of us were sort of and growing up, if I was not well, I'd be put to bed on a fruit diet until I was better, which might take six days, and other children at school might be given some pills. They'd be back at school the next day and I would resent this, but it meant that I was then much healthier after that than they were. But, of course, at the age of five I couldn't understand that.

Speaker 2: 36:24

But now I do. I met a private doctor some years ago who's had his own blister packs made up with you know his name on it and they were just chalk pills.

Speaker 1: 36:33

There were nothing but he gave them out like candy because people wanted a pill yeah, yeah, people want to feel better and want to not have to do anything about it, although I do think and I'm interested to know if you agree with this, I do think that the awareness of the importance of natural health is growing. Do you think that's true? Well, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 36:55

I mean pretty much. Everybody knows somebody who's experienced some damage from the recent ridiculousness.

Speaker 1: 37:04

Yeah, absolutely true. Yes, knows somebody who's experienced some damage from the recent ridiculousness? Yeah, absolutely true, yes, and I and I think I know more people now who would turn to vitamin d or vitamin c first before turning to um nurofen let's say they've got a cold, you know to suppress.

Speaker 2: 37:23

Nurofen and paracetamol are so dangerous People have got no idea.

Speaker 1: 37:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:28

It could be damaged and stuff. It can be frightening.

Speaker 1: 37:30

I know Sorry.

Speaker 2: 37:34

I was going to say. I think also people are waking up to the fact that the press don't usually tell the truth and politicians are psychopaths.

Speaker 1: 37:43

Well, I couldn't possibly comment on that, Clive.

Speaker 2: 37:46

In general. So you know, I think people are waking up to the fact that what we're being told is basically usually not true, and that they're telling people to be vegan, for instance, which can be great short term. If the government is telling you to be vegan, then I would be very worried about doing it long term.

Speaker 1: 38:04

Well, of course, the other thing is, we're all unique, aren't we? So how can one idea necessarily be right for everybody? I've had people say to me, catherine, someone said to me Catherine, I've just read this thing which says if I eat a bit of raw tomato and a bit of raw carrot and a bit of raw radish before every single meal, that's going to be really, really good for me. And I said, well, who told you that? He said, well, I heard it on a broadcast. Someone said that would be very, very good for absolutely everybody. And I said, well, that's just not true. That would be very, very good for absolutely everybody. It might be very good for a lot of people.

Speaker 1: 38:46

You know, he went well, he tried it and it felt good for him, you know, but that that sort of, I mind you. I'm very kind of biased on this, because when my father passed away, he was, he was a naturopath and osteopath, and we found this little box of cards and each card represented a different dietary regime. There must have been 60 or 70 different dietary regimes in there, many of them incredibly obscure, and he knew how to apply these to different people and everyone was, you know, banging on about. This is the one diet for everybody.

Speaker 2: 39:35

I think the thing that probably surprises people most is the value of when to use which diet. When I mean if somebody's overweight, for instance, and be eating badly, if they're type 2 diabetic, I'd be very tempted to put them on a low carb, vegan, raw veg diet if they could handle it for a short period of time, and they'll very quickly a few days stop being type 2 diabetic. But if somebody was weak, I might want them to put them on a raw carnivore diet if we're raw yeah somebody I met.

Speaker 2: 40:02

He'd been, he'd had ibs for like 10 years, couldn't go out in public, barely uh, and he tried every diet known to man raw vegan, you name it. He tried it. He went raw carnivore, fixed in two days. Uh, alongside a glutathione iv, those two things immediately fixed him. My friend, kerry Rivera, who's very well known for repairing children who are on the spectrum, she always used to say that chlorine dioxide was her number one remedy. She's now changed it with the children. She says she's having the best results putting them on a carnivore diet.

Speaker 1: 40:38

How interesting.

Speaker 2: 40:39

Really surprising. Yeah, she's been out here for 20 years.

Speaker 1: 40:43

Yeah, well, I myself I was sort of omnivore and then I went through many years of being vegetarian, which for those years really served me, and then I reached a point where suddenly I was feeling depleted and I had to bring back in animal protein and I immediately started feeling great again. And people were saying why are you suddenly eating? You know, we've just got used to you not eating meat after 20 years. Why are you suddenly? I said well, because my body needs it.

Speaker 2: 41:13

The same thing happened to me. I went off meat mint chicken sandwich and didn't want to touch meat again for 25 years. I'd even crossed the road, so I didn't want to touch meat again for 25 years. I'd even crossed the road, so I didn't have to look at the butchers. Then I was around at my dad's for Christmas dinner 20 years ago and there was roast goose. I thought, oh my God, that looks good. I went back to eating meat again. It felt fantastic.

Speaker 1: 41:31

Yes, so we go through different phases, don't we? So that kind of listening to the shifts in the body me, I think is terribly important, isn't it? And not just trying to externalize a solution.

Speaker 2: 41:48

that's the pill, like you were saying that people want a pill yeah, um, so we're in so much control mentally and physically actually we're in control physically not to buy the rubbish food that comes in a packet and try and go for the natural food that comes wrapped in skin yes an orange real cheese comes wrapped in a rind and skin.

Speaker 1: 42:11

You know yeah, absolutely well, or in a brown paper bag if it's brussels sprouts absolutely true, but it does feel. Somehow it feels healthier taking things out of the brown paper bag, which can then be screwed up and put in the kindling basket precisely I mean we need.

Speaker 2: 42:29

We need to be if we can't grow it ourselves, we need to be trying to find the farmers who care about the animals, about the welfare of the soil, the whole thing, and they're doing it properly. You know, I was an organic farmer for 10 years and I did other things as well. But if you expect organic food from the supermarket to be any good, you know you really got to think twice, because most of it isn't, unfortunately, and uh, so we have to support the old, the old ways, the old farmers. Uh, you know, somebody's willing to grow for somebody else.

Speaker 2: 43:07

I mean, so many people got a back garden that could be a food production unit yeah it would be nice to think that the most valuable profession in the future will be organic gardener for food, so that young people well, you, we could share it. Look, we could grow all these nice things and you know, you can eat as much as you like. There'll be enough for me to sell and make a bit of money. I'm not saying it's easy. Agriculture in England is not easy and a lot of the soil has been pretty much devastated. It's going to take a while to recover it. But you know things have got to come back to local. You know a lot of the things I do. I'm trying to talk on a community basis so that you know.

Speaker 2: 43:53

I've got various devices which are incredible for healing stuff, uh, but they're not cheap. But between 10 people, uh, they become absolutely affordable and one machine can go around a lot of people. You know lots of things. You might sit in it half an hour for every couple of days or something, because there are devices that reverse incontinence. Who would have thought that this is possible with just a few goes on, a very simple, safe device that's not even paid for or anything. People don't know what's available because the NHS, well, they're not taught, they don't know, it's not their delivery. Hiding it from you, necessarily. But nobody's taught the doctors.

Speaker 1: 44:36

Yeah, and it was very different when I was a child. Although there was this very strong social conformity to using the medicines that were being offered, it was really not uncommon for a parent or a grandparent to have remedies that were made out of something you could find in the garden or something that they'd put this in the bath or whatever that worked and they knew it worked and it was considered normal by a lot of people to actually know about these things.

Speaker 2: 45:11

It was survival. Our ancestors, before electricity, before whatever they had to survive. Your ancestors must have been very, very good at remedy. You cut yourself, they knew what to do. You burn yourself, they knew what to do. Thousands of years, our ancestors have got it right up until about 150 years ago, when it all got wiped away and they stopped teaching it?

Speaker 1: 45:36

Yeah, but fortunately there are people like you focusing on this and it sounds like you've done an enormous amount of… this is something I have great respect for in you and in others when they've done the work, you've done the research, you've done the experimentation. You've worked the research, you've done the experimentation, you've worked on yourself, you've tried things out yourself and you're now giving people help in a variety of ways. So if somebody is feeling that they need some help with their health whether it's physical, mental or they don't know which it is they just don't feel right.

Speaker 2: 46:20

How might you help that person? How might they avail themselves of your assistance? Well, there are several ways. I mean, let's say that they feel actually a few vitamins and minerals and so on would be a good idea. I supply a pack, the top 10.

Speaker 2: 46:33

You know pretty much all of us are actually low on the same stuff. We're all hit by chlorine, we're all hit by the vegetables and fruits aren't fresh, we're all hit by depleted soils, etc. So it's so much simpler now than it was 40 years ago when I sort of started looking at this stuff, because I recognize the symptoms that are common in everybody. Everybody's low on magnesium and basically everybody's low of the whole top 10 in the box. So I would suggest that within days or within weeks before the box is finished, 80, 90% of people will feel significantly different.

Speaker 2: 47:12

Maybe the brain fog is lifted. Let's say that women of a certain age, their menopausal symptoms have calmed down. It could be that they've just got more energy, they're sleeping better, aches and pains are going away. You know, really across the board. And it's not cheap. It's about 160 pounds, but that's sort of 16 pounds per supplement and there's a lot there. Um, some of it will last a lot longer than a month. Even though it's billed as a month pack, most people won't actually need it, need to finish it all in that time for it to be effective, so that's one way. Then, when I first got chucked off YouTube in 2014, I started a private members club because the government made me take all my videos down because I was saying things they didn't like. I started a private members club to put the information that the government didn't want me to talk about publicly.

Speaker 2: 48:11

It's called secrethealthclubclubcom I am a member hooray, and you know, over the last 10 years you know myself and and with the help of the people I work with we've put together really a bunch of information that is really useful in an a to z form and we've deliberately tried to keep um deep, editing it so that there's not too much. Because you go into google you're just overwhelmed with more information. How do you know where to start? Try to put the information in some form of order that will make sense, and most of the lots of the good remedies are either free, like sunshine, good water, whatever, or I mean for the cost of parking a car in a hospital. These days they'll buy you a supplement or something.

Speaker 1: 49:07

Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 49:09

And then waiting 10 hours to be seen, you know.

Speaker 1: 49:16

Frankly, a lot of us would pay money not to have to sit in a hospital waiting.

Speaker 2: 49:19

I do? I mean exactly. There's no way that you get me in front of a doctor unless it was in the emergency room yeah yeah, you know, the emergency room doctors are amazing.

Speaker 2: 49:29

I mean, there are doctors who are amazing. 30 years ago I was working in neurosurgery. I was working with neurosurgeons to make microscopes for brain operations, where they didn't have to let go of their hands. You bit a little thing and it floated. Anyway, I watched one particular neurosurgeon who was the most selfless, wonderful person I've ever seen. He would work on people until they survived. I watched him go through two sets of nurses. They'd all done their eight-hour shift and he won't stop. He carries on. So there are some wonderful doctors out there, but I just slag off most of them. People ask me are you a complementary therapist? I say no, no, I'm antagonistic. I'm not complementary to the doctors at all, or very rarely.

Speaker 1: 50:23

But you're right, there are some wonderful, wonderful people out there, and if somebody wanted to actually come and see you privately, are you also available for that?

Speaker 2: 50:32

No, no. So I stopped doing consultations in the main, and so what I'm saying to people now is well, look way cheaper than consulting me. Join the Secret Health Club.

Speaker 1: 50:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:46

If they say, well, I haven't got any money, I can't afford to join the Secret Health Club, I'll give away free memberships to anybody who's actually stony broke. Or if they say, well, I can afford half of it or something, just email me and my assistant will join you up, regardless of whether you can pay or not. If you can pay, then that's nice yes, fantastic, great.

Speaker 1: 51:05

Well, I respect that boundary and you know, because one can, when I only have so much time and energy for doing what one needs to be doing.

Speaker 2: 51:14

Well, exactly, and again, I'd rather speak to hundreds of people rather than one. But you know I've got existing clients and I make an exception for children most of the time. You know somebody who I already know.

Speaker 1: 51:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:28

There's only so much time in the day.

Speaker 1: 51:30

Exactly, and you do do your monthly ask, clive, anything I do, which sounds like a lovely thing to do well, um, it's fun.

Speaker 2: 51:41

Usually they last for three and a half hours, which is because the more people join the secret health club and discover that I do an ask clive anything every month, the more people want to ask me questions. Um, but uh, but you know, there are days I don't really have to do it again. Uh, but um, but yeah, I don't ask for anything, anything at all. I've been asked what I think about the flat earth. I've been asking everything you can possibly think of I can well imagine.

Speaker 1: 52:06

well, I look forward to joining one of those soon. Good, so, um, clive, I'm going to slightly shift because I I feel I could talk to you for hours and would really love to do so, but we have a time limit. So, if we think about what's happening in the world and everyone's got their own ideas about what's happening and what should be happening and who should be doing what, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah there are people who are trying to be part of the solution and some of those people are just genuinely trying to be good leaders in their own lives, and some of those people actually have leadership positions. They're trying to help other people, lead other people. Is there something you'd like to say to these people who are trying to be part of the solution? That kind of comes to your mind from where we are in this conversation at the moment, to these people who are trying to be part of the solution?

Speaker 2: 52:58

that kind of comes to your mind from where we are in this conversation at the moment. Well, yes, pay attention to the solutions and do your very best to ignore the problems. Don't get sucked in by. Oh my God, it's all going to go wrong next week, you know. Just keep folks focusing on what solutions are, and then there's non-violent communication. Do you know about marshall rosenberg?

Speaker 2: 53:19

I know about non-violent communication, but I don't know that name so he was the guy who wrote the book and made loads and loads of videos. Non-violent communication, I mean. I think everybody who tried to explain to people a couple of years ago that masks don't work, for instance, came up against a complete brick wall. So nonviolent communication is ways to get around the brick wall. For instance, if you say to somebody masks don't work, well, they're going to put up the brick wall. If you say look, I learned something really quite interesting the other day I don't know if you got the time to listen, but I'd love your opinion as to whether you think this could be right or wrong you know you've got past the brick wall.

Speaker 1: 53:59

Okay, there may be several further brick walls, but so it's just how to communicate in a way where you were going to give people a kind of a reflection question to take away with them to kind of reflect on over the coming week. Can you think of a reflection question you would like to give people?

Speaker 2: 54:28

Well, the big one I used on myself. I was realizing some 20 odd years ago that I was getting upset about stuff, and I realized that actually, a lot of what I was getting upset about was an assumption that I'd made, an assumption that somebody loved me, an assumption that this might go wrong, whatever. So I put a post-it note on the mirror in my living room saying is what you're thinking true or is it an assumption?

Speaker 1: 54:56

Love it Fantastic. Is what you're thinking true or is it an assumption? Love it, that's fantastic. So, clive, my final question, before we come back to reminding people how to find you, is has there been a favorite part of our conversation for you today?

Speaker 2: 55:15

um, the whole thing. I can't particularly think of anything in particular, but it it was. Yeah, the nice thing about being interviewed by certain people is that one can, one does, get the feeling you just talk for hours and you know that there are other people who, uh, you know, you, you, you meet somebody, you can talk to them for hours, other people. I've got nothing, I can't think of anything to say. My whole conversation is totally dried up. You know, uh, you're either, I suppose, resonating, you might say, at the same frequency or not. It was my dad. I found, and my mom actually found it incredibly difficult to have conversations with them. Random strangers were dead easy, but I don't know, somehow I don't know what that was. But yeah, so it's very easy to talk to you. So thank you very much.

Speaker 1: 56:03

Oh, bless you. Easy to talk to you as well, and I think that's another thing I'd like to say to listeners, which is you know, hang out with the people you resonate with. You know the ones where you really don't. You don't have to, you know, keep banging your head against a brick wall. Hang out with the ones you resonate with. So, clive, let's just remind people where they can go to find you. So you've mentioned the Secret Health Club, and there's also clivedecalcom, so would you just let people know what they'll find on clive to carlcom yeah, so clive to, carlcom is the shop that sells the supplements.

Speaker 2: 56:43

I cannot tell you any truths that haven't been permitted, a permitted truth to tell you about magnesium or anything else. You know the government allows you certain things you can say about each material, but you can't say anything else. The fact that I reversed my arthritis using magnesium, I cannot even though it's an absolute fact, you know prove me wrong. You know I can't say that. It's just ridiculous. So on the secret health club secrethealthclubcom, there's a section called supplements revealed, where everything I would tell you. On the secret health club secrethealthclubcom, there's a section called supplements revealed, where everything I would tell you on the shop is there and you have to pay one pound to create a contract to make you a club member. There's only one rule to the club, like one rule. It says I am in favor of total health freedom.

Speaker 1: 57:33

I love it.

Speaker 2: 57:33

You're a bad guy? Well, you're obviously not. I don't need 50 rules and conditions, you know just one rule.

Speaker 1: 57:40

Very nice, brilliant. So. Clivedecalcom and secrethealthclubcom. Clive, thank you so much for coming on the show and it's been a delight, and thank you for doing everything that you're doing and thank you for all the things you've done along the way that brought you to the place where you are giving these gifts to the world well, all that suffering's paid off, all right, thank you very much, katherine thank you.

Speaker 1: 58:07

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