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Hello, I am back here with Nicole Obata trainer in regards to her passionate about the mind body connection supporting a holistic person in her practice of a clinical psychologist. And even like, after our last conversation, we had a little more dialogue around you know what a privilege it is really to work in this field of supporting clients. And to me a lot of times, you know, the clients come in with the role of an expert and and educating me on where I can best support them. But from their point of view, even and Nicole, what are your thoughts like what you're learning from your clients as you support them in their holistic health?
Nicole O'Barto-Trainer:
Well, first of all, I absolutely share in that sentiment that my client is always the expert on their human experience and the expert on their health and what and what they need. And secondly, I try to educate them about the their innate health right like that the default setting is health, and that the natural propensity is for mind and body to move back towards health, and that there are other systems of health care even or conceptualization of health, such as air Vedic medicine, or Chinese medicine, that suggests that we need to be more curious about symptoms that we're experiencing. And instead of trying to mask our symptoms with medication, right, or to rid ourselves of our symptoms, we need to become more curious right to use one of my favorite favorite mindfulness terms, like we need to become more curious about what our symptoms are trying to tell us about some disruption within our body, right like that the symptoms that we're experiencing, are not just something to eliminate, they are something to be curious about, to try to ask ourselves, what is this symptom trying to get me to do differently? What is this symptom trying to teach me about something that's going on in my body at a more functional level, right, as opposed to just masking the symptoms, and then allowing, like whatever's happening at the level of functionality to just kind of deteriorate our health, right? Or at the level of epigenetics, right, where we know that genes get turned on and off based upon lifestyle and stress, right? So what is our symptoms trying to wake me up to to do differently in order to allow my body to get what it needs to restore its own health? Right, that, again, I think it's so important to consider that the energy that lives within us and how energy is moving through us and how the propensity of that energy is to move toward health, because that's our default setting? Well,
Sibylle Georgianna:
I think that is, I mean, such a rewarding aspect of supporting clients in the pursuit of health is that we are designed to move towards health. So it's not like a thing we're adding on or, you know, hopefully, we'll have enough time. But I really feel the really empowerment of the client is by helping them read the body, you know, what is my body telling me and find ways to not let it run your life, but on the other hand, use it as your ally and partner in, in really having the best life possible. And so what always comes to mind is now from my training in I movement, desensitization and reprocessing therapy, which is really helping identify the body memory and allowing the body to gently gently let go of that stress response. What is so fascinating is to see that the body is not stuck in one area, it brings up one piece, and then the next and then it kind of moves itself towards greater health. So so if there's clients, maybe that maybe not your clients, but who are maybe discouraged by the many attempts ahead towards moving towards more holistic health, what could be an encouragement that you know, you could share with them?
Unknown:
Well, I think you mean so you're asking if they've had experiences with other holistic modalities try
Sibylle Georgianna:
and do it or?
Unknown:
Yeah, they haven't been quite successful. Yeah, I think um, maybe going back to the basics of like, of, again, kind of self care, right, like and how are you taking care of your body on a day to day basis? And are you creating space for health right to show itself to you right, like, I think that we have a doing and striving mentality or mindset, right. And so we do the next thing or, you know, we look for the next thing and sometimes I think we have to step back into Do spaces of like non doing and non striving and really kind of get back to the very basics of like a like, you know, a lifestyle that's rooted in health, right so that I go back to saying, like making sure that you're sleeping, making sure that you're taking care of yourself, making sure you're making time for yourself care, right, making sure that you're eating whole foods, you know, like maybe pulling back away from certain interventions, right or, or specific interventions you might be doing, and just kind of getting back to the basics for a little while to sort of restate like restabilize. And then look to see, you know, what symptoms are coming up, be curious about those symptoms, and try to, you know, kind of lean in specifically to understanding what this symptom might be trying to tell me? And how, how can I kind of work with this symptom to move toward healing?
Sibylle Georgianna:
Yes, and that's what it's such an excellent point to really look at whatever the body presents more as a, as a little flag wave to get our attention rather than to be like something that we need to be scared of, or fight it, or, you know, I mean, we all have our default ways of, of tackling challenges. But indeed, I think sometimes going to mark keeping it simple, one step at a time, data time, can go a long way, especially when we all know that life does get more and more complex, it will not necessarily go to our to a simplified version of life, you know, as we can foresee it here in this what industrialized region that we get to be. So yes, I am so grateful for, for picking your your brain on on the support of clients, maybe from a lens that we don't really think of when we think about psychological support. So, yes, and we've also chatted a lot. So maybe like, at the very end of our time, if clients wanted to learn more about this cutting edge, or more recent research with regards to the microbiome, is there any place where you feel they could look up some more user friendly or consumer friendly information on the microbiome, the gut brain axis, for example? Do you are you aware of resources that customers or consumers can access? So
Unknown:
I think looking to, you know, looking to journals, a lot of times clients are intimidated by looking at research. But oftentimes, you know, there is pretty digestible language that's used, like in the summaries of research, right, or in the abstract of research, where you might be able to, you know, kind of gather some more information and some resources, some authors that are doing work in that area. So I always encourage looking in, like, you know, looking through Journal of complementary and alternative medicine, looking into, like Arizona Center for Integrative Medicine is a great resource. They have a lot of continuing education programs, they have a lot of programs that are geared towards general audiences. So I think looking for it, you know, looking at complementary and alternative medicine, looking at centers for Integrative Medicine, journals of complementary and alternative medicine, like these are going to be resources that are going to be on the cutting edge of the research that's being done on both the integration of nutrition for the treatment of mental illness, as well as understanding the role of the gut and the gut microbiome and its relationship to mood and mental health.
Sibylle Georgianna:
Those are excellent points here. And for sure, make a note to put that in the show notes as well as the contact information that you previously mentioned. So I can't thank you enough for you. And yes, I look forward to again, staying, staying in touch as to what you have as a pioneer in this world of connecting mental health and, and the whole body as a psychologist. What you keep exploring. Thanks so much. I really appreciate
