Big Dog Talk w/ Charles and Shayvon
The Downfall of Diddy? Addressing His Domestic Violence Scandal - Ep. 48 | BDTP
When the people we admire fall from grace, it stings like betrayal. This episode doesn't shy away from the hard conversations as we grapple with the disappointing allegations against Diddy, and what it means for our community when role models fail us. As we tackle the complex intersection of celebrity, accountability, and domestic violence, we also pause to honor the importance of mental health and therapy—a subject deeply personal to us, and intertwined in every discussion.
Turning the spotlight inward, we celebrate the victories that keep us grounded: Big Shea's birthday outpouring of love, and my partner's triumphant return to academia. Their stories aren't just feel-good moments—they're testaments to the resilience and support that define us. And amidst these reflections, we pay homage to Malcolm X, advocating for his birthday to be a national holiday, and toast to the transformative power of personal reinvention. It's an episode rich with introspection and joy, a reminder that even in the face of disappointment, we harbor incredible strength and capacity for change.
Yet, it's impossible to ignore the shadow cast by the darker side of our idols. We take an unflinching look at the harrowing video of a woman in distress linked to Diddy, and the ensuing scrutiny of his alleged actions. Through the lens of Cassie and Diddy's relationship, we dissect the chilling grip of abusive partnerships, especially under the glare of fame and power. This episode is a call to action—a challenge to dismantle the cycle of violence and manipulation, and a rally for the integrity of successful black men in a society fraught with pressures. Listen as we confront the uncomfortable, seeking pathways to healing, growth, and a better understanding of the complex world we navigate.
When the people we admire fall from grace, it stings like betrayal. This episode doesn't shy away from the hard conversations as we grapple with the disappointing allegations against Diddy, and what it means for our community when role models fail us. As we tackle the complex intersection of celebrity, accountability, and domestic violence, we also pause to honor the importance of mental health and therapy—a subject deeply personal to us, and intertwined in every discussion.
Turning the spotlight inward, we celebrate the victories that keep us grounded: Big Shea's birthday outpouring of love, and my partner's triumphant return to academia. Their stories aren't just feel-good moments—they're testaments to the resilience and support that define us. And amidst these reflections, we pay homage to Malcolm X, advocating for his birthday to be a national holiday, and toast to the transformative power of personal reinvention. It's an episode rich with introspection and joy, a reminder that even in the face of disappointment, we harbor incredible strength and capacity for change.
Yet, it's impossible to ignore the shadow cast by the darker side of our idols. We take an unflinching look at the harrowing video of a woman in distress linked to Diddy, and the ensuing scrutiny of his alleged actions. Through the lens of Cassie and Diddy's relationship, we dissect the chilling grip of abusive partnerships, especially under the glare of fame and power. This episode is a call to action—a challenge to dismantle the cycle of violence and manipulation, and a rally for the integrity of successful black men in a society fraught with pressures. Listen as we confront the uncomfortable, seeking pathways to healing, growth, and a better understanding of the complex world we navigate.
Did he? This mogul for the black community, this leader for umpteen years, this billionaire, this sense of hope and inspiration for not just the black community but for the entire world, he was a big mogul. To see him in that light and how he treats women, knowing that he has daughters. How do we go about this?
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Speaker 1:Slash big dog talk welcome back to another episode of the big dog talk podcast. It's me the one, and only put the lights on me. Let's go, charles.
Speaker 2:Hey y'all, what's up? It's your girl, big Shea, and I'm back in the building. Why are you like that? It's fun, I'm back in the building.
Speaker 1:It's fun, I'm in the building, it's nice outside, it's beautiful. You understand me. Energy good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you had your coffee.
Speaker 1:Nah, that ain't what I had had.
Speaker 2:Y'all saw the last episode, good I want to give a shout out to my man for mother's day. Okay, we'll talk about it. You did your big one for mother's day celebration. It was my birthday, yeah, and the carpet was laid out, yeah, the love was poured out, for sure, and my heart was filled up. So I want to say thank you You're welcome, baby For showing me so much love and appreciation. You're welcome, baby.
Speaker 1:Love you. Well, since we're giving shout-outs, I want to give a shout-out to my woman. I want to say congratulations to you for finishing the semester with straight A's. You know what I'm saying. That's me Full-time student, full-time entrepreneur, full-time wife, full-time mom, full-time. I got to tell them the story, though. I'm a podcaster Full time student, full time entrepreneur, full time wife, full time, mom, full time. I gotta tell them the story, though I'm a podcaster too.
Speaker 2:Y'all, he forgot that other job. Y'all, y'all.
Speaker 1:Listen, I gotta tell them the story right quick. Please tell them the story. Check this out Before we get into Diddy. Diddy do it Before we get into Diddy I wanna talk about. So my wife Ended the semester with is it three A's and a B, or two A's and a B? Well, how I almost ended. Let me tell my story Almost two A's and a B. So two A's and a B. Let me tell my story Two A's and a B. She received information on her grade uh, her final grade the night before.
Speaker 1:Um the final grade was finalized so she had all a's and she had a 89.5. Yes, this is 10 o'clock at night. She received this information instantly down. I'm like what's wrong? I got an 89.5. 89.5 in my eyes, I'm happy to pass. You understand me, I'm happy to pass. Listen, 10 o'clock at night.
Speaker 1:My wife sends an email to her professor. Professor, excuse me, how are you? Look, I'm a nerd and I haven't been in school in over 20 years and I was striving to receive all A's on my report card, my grades. Now you're the only class that I have an 89.5. Is there anything that I can do to get a 5 so I can receive all A's? 10 o'clock at night, 10.30,. The professor responds let's see, I'll tell you what. You can write me a one-page report. One-page report, 10 o'clock, 10.30 at night, just to get .5. Sure, my wife .5. Sure, my wife stays up. Sure, not only did she write a one page report, she wrote a one and a half page report and did Happily stayed up. Sure, did, happily stayed up. The teacher sends her email back the following morning.
Speaker 2:Well, she sent it that night, but I got it in the morning.
Speaker 1:Not only, did she get a? Don't start, stella, this is my story, not yours. The teacher gave her one point, so she went from an 89.5 to a 90.5. Ow, and what did she get? Straight A's, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2:I want to thank my husband. I want to thank my kids.
Speaker 1:I want to thank my team for supporting me through this, because without y'all I couldn't have got all A's supporting me through this because without y'all, I couldn't have got all A's After 20 years of being out of school, went back to school 20 years later. But it gave me a lot of insight, though, on why our children are the way they are. As well, it gave me a lot of insight on how you were coming up when it comes to education, education and being stressed out. You don't like the fact that it's stressful stressful, but you like the fact that it's stressful, like you were having fun being stressed out doing your work my teacher said.
Speaker 2:My professor said, shavon, look at you writing a paper under pressure. I said thank you for applying pressure, miss, miss Professor.
Speaker 1:Oh the mindset, oh my God. Yes, do you fellas? Do you see why she got?
Speaker 2:things to do. Listen, do you? She got things to do and accomplish and become more.
Speaker 1:Listen, do you see why it's important to get the right woman for you, man? The right woman is probably one of the best investments. No, not. Probably the right woman for you is the best investment of the rest of your life. Let them know Big Tom.
Speaker 2:You understand me, let them know.
Speaker 1:You understand, listen, let them know the mindset.
Speaker 2:Let them know Congratulations. Thank you so much, sweetheart. Thank you for the celebratory turn down. For what? Yeah, we had to celebrate that. Thank you for the celebration. This weekend has been litty it's been litty.
Speaker 1:So if you see, big Charles is really excited, I'm having fun. This weekend was litty because we had a lot to celebrate, a lot to celebrate. We had a lot to celebrate and shout out to Malcolm X too. Happy birthday, malcolm X.
Speaker 2:Yes, lots of celebrating, shout out to Malcolm X too Happy birthday Malcolm X.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, sir, thank you, sir, yeah. Thank you sir, for everything that you've done. Yeah, you know, thank you for the influence that you have on me, yeah, so thank you.
Speaker 2:Happy birthday, this definitely should be a holiday, definitely should be a federal one where the things are closed it definitely should be a federal holiday.
Speaker 1:Malcolm X, through your imperfections, thank you for what you've done Absolutely For the community, for the culture, for your people. Sincerely, yep, yep. Now on another note, amen, I have to introduce. We have a special guest today.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:And we've never done this before, and I call her by the name of Big Red. Look at Big Red.
Speaker 2:She brought out the A's Stop. That's Shea-Yonce. He got his own name for her, that's.
Speaker 1:Shea-Yonce for her, but this is Big Red for me. I met Big Red in Atlanta. I actually met her before Atlanta, but Atlanta is where she came out of Look at that.
Speaker 2:Y'all are blind. You understand me? I cannot stand you.
Speaker 1:You understand me, listen, listen.
Speaker 2:When she comes out, all bets are off. I'm showing out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm showing out when she come out. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was that kind of weekend. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:She looks good. She looks good. She looks good, thank you. Yeah, she's great. Yeah, I like her. I like her. She's good for the leo inside of me.
Speaker 2:She's very good she's good, she's good for me yeah ladies, switch it up sometimes, you know, have some confidence. Switch it up sometimes, give your man a new look. Yeah, because we can. We can do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because this weekend he has Shea on set and he love Big Red. Yo, big Red, don't come to play baby Yo, all the stops are stopping. It's also ego fact, but anyways, we digress.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we got to refocus. I'm sorry we got to refocus. So look, we got to refocus. I'm sorry we got to refocus. So look, we got to refocus. So I want to talk about today's episode. We're going to switch it up, because we usually don't talk about hot topics.
Speaker 2:Nah not too much.
Speaker 1:We usually don't do that, but I think every now and then we need to switch it up. And let's talk about this thing with Diddy yeah man. And let's talk about this thing with Diddy yeah man. The video came out with him beating Cassie in a hotel, grabbing her by her hair, pulling her by her shirt, kicking her. It was very disturbing, To say the least. Very disturbing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Where do we go from? Where do we go with? Because this I want to make sure I don't want to offend anyone, but I want to do my best to hit it diddy, this mogul for the black community, this leader for umpteen years, this billionaire, this sense of hope and inspiration for not just a black community but for the entire world, he was a a big mogul. Yeah, to see him in that light, and how he treat women, knowing that he has daughters. How do we go about this?
Speaker 2:First of all, let's just be clear. I want to say on the mic that on the Big Dog Talk podcast, we do not condone domestic violence. We do not condone that sort of behavior to anyone, and if there's anyone listening to us right now that are experiencing domestic violence, you can get out, because nobody deserves to be treated like that as a, as a woman. When I looked at the level of physicality that he displayed to Cassie, it broke my heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:As a woman, it broke my heart Because, as a woman, all that I can imagine is the fear in her trying to get away from him and trying to escape, and he's kicking her like a piece of paper or a towel that you just have laying on your floor and you like, get this out the way.
Speaker 1:In the video. I don't even think she had shoes on.
Speaker 2:She tried to put her shoes on. But the thing about it too, the thing that's also alarming is that he did all of this wrapped up in a towel. Wrapped up in a towel. It's giving monster vibes. I'm so sorry it's giving monster vibes'm so sorry, that's giving monster vibes.
Speaker 1:That's what I was. That's why I said it seemed she didn't have any shoes on, meaning that she was scared. She ran out of the hotel as if like running for her life a disaster was happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean, they said in the report that he was. He was allegedly asleep when she tried to, you know, gather her things and she didn't have her shoes on. She tried to put her shoes on quickly, but by the time she got half of her foot in one shoe, he was already running down down the hallway and around the corner because she had made it to the elevator right, he was already in a towel, so pretty much butt ass naked. This is tense. This is running after her to treat her less like, not even like a human being. Wow. And so now you know that original video that they released back when this whole conversation about diddy started, in 2023, where she was in a different hotel room, I'm assuming, and she was under that blanket Hiding. Yes, watching the video that was released Friday and then seeing that video now, it adds even more disturbance to the situation because she was hiding under that blanket with, again, so much fear.
Speaker 1:Why do you think that she was?
Speaker 2:so afraid Because she was being constantly abused, constantly.
Speaker 1:You think it's something that this is who he is? Could he have been under the influence? I'm not making that an excuse. No, I know, I'm not talking about just alcohol. I'm talking about drugs. Cassie's not the only person that says he's a monster.
Speaker 2:people have been saying this for years, that he's a monster, and no one has really believed those allegations until now until the video you know, I think, just as a as a community we have, we have to just be careful, like when we put people in limelights right based off of how much money they have, how much power they have, the status that they have. We have to be careful because clearly, behind closed doors people can be somebody completely different than what they are perceived to be out in the public eye.
Speaker 2:So I think that that's exactly what we're dealing with here Behind closed doors. Diddy has pretty much for a very long time been who we are now seeing on our screens. You don't just wake up one day and decide to video record you terrorizing somebody that's hiding under a blanket because they scare for their life, because you beat them all the time as if they are your. I don't know, nobody does, not even an animal deserves to be treated that way. She's hiding like a kid in fear under a blanket while you're recording it and yelling at her and making a mockery out of it. Disgusting, disgusting, and I'm not gonna hold you. When the situation first surfaced in 2023, I wasn't trying to make excuses for diddy, but I'm a person like I need a little bit more proof. Unfortunately, unfortunately and I apologize to cassie because me being a woman saying I needed more proof when everything was pretty much laid out on the table besides, the video should have been enough but I grow up. I grew up in an era where diddy was a big staple for me.
Speaker 1:Growing up, I mean in the 90s, I mean but to I to throw or give you some leniency. We also live in a culture where people do try to use the media and get rich off of millionaires as a way of a get rich scheme millionaires as a way of a get rich scheme. So I don't know if that's the reason why people didn't believe, because when she said it at first, most people were saying that, oh, she just want a paycheck Right, she just want a paycheck Right. Unfortunately, she had to get put in that box and judged based off of other people and their get rich quick scheme.
Speaker 2:But, big Charles, how many times have we had women say that they've been sexually assaulted, Right, or victims of domestic violence, and we say, well, what did you do Right, or that's not true, what did you do to deserve that? We have built up this thing in our mind where we always take the road of she had to do something to deserve that. It's kind of like how many years did we hear that R Kelly was sexually and physically abusing women, right? We dealt with that and dealt with that, and dealt with that, and dealt with that and dealt with that and made excuses for him until we could no longer make excuses anymore. And I feel like we're right back in that same scenario with Sean Diddy Combs. Oh, I agree, I agree. And the why? Why is that? Why do we do that?
Speaker 1:Whew, why I don't want to sound like I'm defending Cassie. I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm defending Diddy. Okay, I don't. Do we forgive him, though? Should we forgive him? Should we forgive him? How do we move on from this? Because I was taught like you never, never, laugh at a man's downfall, but I also was taught that if you do something, you deserve consequences, like. My belief is this I believe Diddy deserve a consequence for this, like he's been, and I'm not laughing at his downfall, but no man should put his hands on a woman or treat a woman at that level of disrespect. Listen, I have a daughter, I have a mom, I have a wife. That's zero tolerance. I don't care if you're on drugs. I do believe that he deserved a consequence, but do we forgive him as a black community? Do we forgive him as a people? Period.
Speaker 2:My struggle is like when he released his statement, you know, shortly after the video. My struggle is the credibility. Is it for real? Are you for real? Are you doing what your PR team is telling you to do to try to minimize the situation and find out, like you did all the other times? So, like his verbal, you know, apology, public apology. Like. How sincere is that?
Speaker 1:The only thing is, when you give a anytime, you apologize and you start off with the reasons case in point, but go ahead and finish this case.
Speaker 1:People haven't seen it when you start off with the reasons, like his words were I was in a bad state, I was in a rock bottom, I was in a dark place, I went to therapy. I'm sorry, when you start off communicating with the reasons why, with the excuses, it minimizes the and take away from the sincere apology. It doesn't really give off. I take full accountability Because a real apology is I did that that man should be in tears.
Speaker 1:I did that and I have to. I must be responsible for my doings, my choices. I have to take full accountability and what comes with it accountability, whatever comes with it.
Speaker 2:I have to deal with that it's the word accountability that you said. I don't feel that he with that I'm so sorry I didn't.
Speaker 1:I don't feel that's what he said, but I don't, I really don't believe that it's too soon to be so sorry that part it's too soon, with no consequence. With no consequence, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2:It doesn't work. That way, it doesn't work that way. You need a consequence to really feel the impact that you have had on her life. If there are other victims their lives you need to sit in.
Speaker 1:That it's too early for a sincere apology. It is, listen, it's too early for a sincere apology, and I'm not laughing at the situation, I'm not making fun of the situation, but we have to talk about it because so many women go through this, are going through this, are going through it, my goodness.
Speaker 1:This was like watching a scary movie scene. Yep and Diddy got to suffer the consequences he have to suffer the consequences he have to. He has to be given consequences. Well, it already shows that the LAPD already responded and say unfortunately we cannot. Oh, did they prosecute him because it happened in 2016.
Speaker 1:Oh, statute of limitations, which I do but I already knew that that was going to happen. Allegations say that Diddy paid them $50,000 not to release the video when it happened in 2016. I think in 2016. But unfortunately, diddy done messed up with some people, some bigger people, yep, that have more money than him. Which is why the video has been released. Which is why the video has been released now.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing, here's my thought. When you say something like that, okay, maybe he can't go to jail for it, but life is going to life. We need to make him as a people though, feel it, feel it.
Speaker 1:We need to, and I'm sorry that his children has to go through it with him. That's the other part His daughters that lost their mom, his son that lost his mom, the son that was trying to speak up for him because he's doing the right thing. That's his father. That's his father. That's my hero, that's my idol. That Nobody come at my dad like that. That, unfortunately. Unfortunately, my dad like that. That, unfortunately, unfortunately, the dad is a monster behind the scenes and you know, my heart really goes out to them.
Speaker 2:You know the children, all of his children, from the oldest to the youngest little baby that he just had. My heart goes out to them because, like you said, that's their dad, that's the person that they look up to as their father figure, their role model, their provider. You know their, that's their person, especially to the kids that no longer have their mother living on this earth. That's their person. So even for them to have to look at their dad in real like, in real time, behaving that way, that's traumatizing. Let's just keep it above. Oh for sure, those kids, that is not something that they will be able to, you know, just process easily in their minds about their father, because they might have thought it wasn't true. Right Now they got the facts it's true, they have proof it wasn't true.
Speaker 1:Right Now they got the facts. It's true. They have proof that it's true.
Speaker 2:It's true, so is everything else true, dad.
Speaker 1:So is everything. So this is the thing though Tough conversations. When you get caught in a lie I don't even want to say unfortunately, when you get caught up in a lie, especially to something so extreme, something so vigorous and something so traumatic, yeah, toxic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you are considered non-credible. Yeah, your word is a voided check. Yeah, my question is to the community, to the African-American community. My question to women, my question to men do we forgive Diddy for this? Do we allow him to prove that he is sorry for his actions or do he deserve a consequence? I really want to know, I really want to know, I really want to know how, women, do we really, do we forgive him for this? Do we, should we, because he's still ours, or is he not?
Speaker 2:He's still a human being, right and as human beings we do make mistakes. We do. This is just the God's honest truth. We do make mistakes and I do feel that, as a woman and as a human being who has made mistakes, I don't feel like it's my job to not forgive Diddy. But at the same time, diddy did not directly, he's not a direct impact to me. Diddy's not my hero and it didn't happen to you. He's not my hero. It didn't happen to me, it didn't happen to somebody close to me, it didn't happen to me. So my ability to forgive him can come easier because of just a person that I am. He deserves to be forgiven as long as he proves proves it, you know, proves that he's sorry, takes accountability. But he also deserves a consequence. He deserves a tough consequence for his actions. You do not get to behave like that to one victim or multiple victims and then just keep living your great life. You don't get to do that, you don't oh, I agree, I agree he needs a consequence.
Speaker 1:he definitely needs a consequence. He needs to go back to the drawing board. And how do we empower women who are going through the same thing to leave a relationship where they feel like they are afraid of their partner, their man? How do? Because it seems like it's a hard thing to do when you're being abused by a man, the woman still wants to tag along. I did read this Because it seemed like it's a hard thing to do. When you're being abused by a man, the woman still wants to tag along. I did read this that there was a time where Cassie saw that Diddy was victimizing another- Allegedly yeah, victimizing another yeah.
Speaker 1:Another woman.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And she didn't speak up about it, mm-hmm. She just was excited about her being the new woman on the block that's at the top of it. Is this her fault for staying around, or is Diddy that much of a manipulator?
Speaker 2:of a manipulator. See, I don't. It's such. What you're saying is so loaded, because when you originally started you know we're just talking about. You know, women, regular women when I say regular women that live a day-to-day life and fall into a relationship with a man that becomes physically abusive to her right, and they stay for a lot of reasons because abusers are oftentimes very to her right. And they stay for a lot of reasons because abusers are oftentimes very manipulative, right, they beat you up and then they find a way to really make it better, where you feel like you can forgive this person and trust and love them and they become your safe space. But the flip side of that is we're talking about people like a Diddy or like an R Kelly, where these women are extremely entertained and infatuated with being in the space of men that have money but are these vulnerable, broken women.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's hard to say, but I know the fact that these men have financial stature and power and fame is very sexy to these women. So to them, for Cassie to now be that number one woman standing beside Diddy probably felt like a dream to her, and plus, she was younger then she was young, she had just got into the industry.
Speaker 2:He was talking about her career. They got into a relationship. It never starts off how it ends, so it was probably really, really peaches and cream in the beginning. And then the abuser shows his face, but by that time you already caught up in the web of it and you already have so much invested into it, with your emotions, with things, the benefits that come with it, that when they say I'm not going to do it again, I wholeheartedly believe that women feel like they're not going to do it again until they do it again. And then it's a cycle that is really hard to be broken, really hard.
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to seeing how this is going to end. I'm looking forward to seeing how this is going to end. I'm looking forward to seeing how this is going to play out. Right, right. We can't deny the fact that Diddy have donated so much money to the African-American community Absolutely. We can't deny the fact that he has been a pillar and a pioneer in the music and the hip hop culture.
Speaker 2:We cannot.
Speaker 1:And this is does that take away, does that erase every? Does this moment of his downfall erase everything that he has done for the black community, for the hip hop culture? Does it take away from everything that he has accomplished in life?
Speaker 2:It doesn't take it away. It doesn't because he did it. It puts a big stain on it.
Speaker 2:Don't take it away because he did it and he accomplished it. At what cost it looked like. We're seeing at what cost right now. Right, and this is the same way that I felt about you know, the whole conversation with R Kelly. It doesn't take away that these black men are gifted and talented you know what I mean and did make a huge impact in the music industry, but we now see that they are who they are. Something is not right though. Something is not adding up from an internal perspective and the experience.
Speaker 1:We already know what R Kelly experienced, I know, but I'm just saying as a child, and I'm saying something is not right, because in the white community, this happens all the time, all the time. This happens all the time, all the time, all the time. This happens all the time, all the time, and it just seems like now, now, like black men that have reached a certain status is being targeted, and I'm not making an excuse for it, because whatever you do comes to light, whether it be you, anybody, but ooh, this does not look good.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a whole other layer, big Charles, like we just can't forget that we're still existing in a world that wasn't designed for us, and I think that the black man needs to become smarter and stop making choices like this. Well, here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1:I don't think he would have gotten to his place of status without selling his soul to yeah. Whoever he sold his soul to, the ones that's taking him out now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's at their mercy. He's at their mercy and he's feeling himself. He's at their mercy, he's at their mercy, he's feeling himself.
Speaker 2:He's at their mercy. It's like we watching a TV show Reality check Listen.
Speaker 1:you better sit down, boy.
Speaker 2:You know your place. We allowed you. We allowed you to become a billionaire. Which brings me to a point which is why you don't hear anything from certain people right now too, because they know they play.
Speaker 1:They know, they play.
Speaker 2:Stay in your place or you're going to be next.
Speaker 1:None of his friends are really showing up. I want to see if Stevie J is going to make a public video, like he did for Diddy when they raided his home. I want to see If they going out to lunch, if he going to.
Speaker 2:I want to see they going out to lunch. I want to see. I haven't heard. All that I'm seeing now is a lot of celebrities speaking against him when they wasn't saying anything at first. Well, some of them were saying the opposite.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing, though People Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, those people that can't say anything are in some of those videos that were allegedly this is big money problems, the big money, yeah. Yeah, this is big money problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the blindfolds are off that hip hop world is dark, the blindfolds are off and the people that aren't saying anything, their silence is already speaking volume, right, and we know who we talking about. We all know who we talking about Speak volumes. They're all a part of that society and they are being quiet because or you too will be next.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, though, because I don't want to take any light off of cassie and all the other women that has been victimized by weak men please find some help, please get some support, please tell your friend, please tell someone that can help you out of this dark hole. I couldn't imagine my daughter, my mom, going through something like this. I couldn't imagine, as a father, as a man, of what I'm willing to sacrifice to protect mine.
Speaker 2:Even shout out to Cassie's husband. He's married to someone that has gone through something like that, so they're going through this phase of her having to relive all of this. They're going through this together now.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said that because let me tell you something it says a lot about a supportive husband as well. Supportive man Because allegedly, people before they tried to speak out had their cars and things blown up In, which is a fear tactic. And which is a fear tactic? Yeah, it is a fear tactic. So for her husband to write a letter saying men who beat women are weak men, that's right. Men who decide to stay silent when they know that their friends beat men I mean beat women and torment women are weak men. Men who cover up things, uh, just for their friends to continue to progress in life, are weak men. Real men, strong men, support women. So for this man to publicly say that against the powers that be, knowing that there could possibly be a consequence for him being so supportive, for him to have the courage to speak out, stand on side of his woman, protect her. Salute to that man, amen.
Speaker 2:Amen. I mean even the chick from Danny D Cain been saying this for years about how Diddy manip and abused them and treated them really bad. She has been saying it for years about how Diddy Manip and abused them and treated them really bad.
Speaker 2:She has been saying it for years she has been, and she is. It really messed her up. If you see her speak now, you can tell that whatever she experienced in that time had an impact on her mental stability. You know, and vice versa. We talking about men putting their hands on women, but women do not have a right to put their hands on men either, and it happens more than we talk about that too. For sure, for sure. Nobody has a right to do that. For sure.
Speaker 1:For sure, and the only Disgusting when do we go from here? We're going to have to follow this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to have to do an update. We're going to have to follow this one. Yeah, we're going to have to do an update.
Speaker 1:We're going to have to do an update, yeah, but for now I just want to ask the question where do we go from here? Do we support Diddy? Do we not support Diddy? How do we empower and support Cassie and those who have been victimized by the love Dr Love, by P Diddy Love? How do we support? How do we move? Because how do we move forward? Because I've seen some pioneers in the black community to say Diddy is not us, but they weren't saying that when he was supporting us, though Bad.
Speaker 1:So how do we? Do we spit Diddy out? Do we forgive Diddy and allow him to go through the consequences? Do we, should the victims decide how Diddy should be punished? How do we move from here? Because it's a sticky, tricky situation, do we erase everything that Diddy done? Do we continue to believe every woman that comes out and say someone done something to me? We've seen that happen. How do we maneuver now? Yeah, how do we maneuver now? Yeah, how do we maneuver? How do we move? How do we separate the truth from the lie without seeing the visuals? How do we detect that? How do we determine this?
Speaker 2:Right, right, it's a bad situation.
Speaker 1:This is bad.
Speaker 2:It's a bad situation. I need us, as a community and as a culture, to really understand the impact. This is not the first, second or third time that we've seen the downfall of one of our own. So, yes, no, diddy is us.
Speaker 1:Well, that's your perspective. I'm saying that he is us. Yeah, but that's your perspective.
Speaker 2:Like you said, he was us when he was paving the way.
Speaker 1:He was us when he was the music mogul. He was us when he was doing X, when he was getting millions of dollars.
Speaker 2:He was us when he was partnering with certain brand names that we fell in love with, and every time we went out we wanted to drink it. He was us. Then we were proud to partake in all the partakes that had Diddy's name around it. He was us. Then, yeah, yeah, diddy's name around it. He was us. Then, yeah, yeah. So from my opinion yes, it's my opinion he should still be us, but as a people, we want him to be held accountable.
Speaker 1:That's tough love, yeah, but it's easy for you to say us, and you got to be careful. When you say he's us, though, you have to be careful with us.
Speaker 2:I explained why, yeah, but you still got to be careful though.
Speaker 1:I explained why, yeah, but you still gotta be careful, though, you saying that but I'm explaining it from my thought process Right, Right, Right.
Speaker 2:So we always you know we do want to be quick to throw people out. I'm saying, do whatever fits your rationale.
Speaker 1:You basically saying that if this was your child, you're still my child. I still love you, but unfortunately I have to watch you go through the consequences of your choice. You have to and it's going to hurt. It is, but I have to watch you go through. I can't protect you from this. I can't save you. You made those choices. You made those choices. You made those decisions.
Speaker 2:Stand on that, that and that's that on that.
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