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Balancing Art, Academics, and Activism: A Ugandan Poet's Tale
What sparks the journey of a young Ugandan poet balancing her artistry with the demands of a pharmacy degree and a budding sports career? Join us as we highlight Loretta, an inspiring student from Makerere University, whose story of passion and perseverance is both uplifting and instructive. Loretta takes us through her daily routine, sharing invaluable tips on time management and the importance of exploring diverse interests in your 20s to find your true calling. From her initial foray into poetry during her senior one year to her current multifaceted life, Loretta's narrative is a testament to dedication and self-discovery.
In this episode, we also address the pressing issues that impact Ugandan society. We unravel the complexities surrounding marriage and love, discussing why some women grow weary of their marriages despite having chosen their partners. Our conversation sheds light on the dynamics of blame and the evolution of relationships. Additionally, we tackle the critical topic of period poverty, exploring actionable solutions to make menstrual pads accessible and affordable. Through the power of poetry and writing, we aim to inspire community-driven change and raise awareness on these pivotal issues. Tune in for a rich tapestry of personal stories, societal challenges, and the transformative potential of the written word.
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Speaker 2:Hi Loretta. How are you doing? I'm okay. How are you? I'm good. You look pink, you look good Do?
Speaker 3:I Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2:Don't look bad yourself. So you apply makeup. You're like, ah, this one is thinking I need to like put on a video or something like that. Ah, no, you have to look good. Yes, you sound good.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Who are you? Who is?
Speaker 3:Loretta Loretta.
Speaker 2:Loretta Loretta is a woman that's Female man, at this point you have to do that. You have put it out straight. Are you straight? Are you have to be like oh I straight woman, I'm a straight female straight, I'm straight um, I'm loretta.
Speaker 3:I'm a straight female. I am spoken word assist and also written word. I'm starting written word. Um, I am currently studying pharmacy at mccarran. I play, for I play hockey. I play field hockey for a club it's called Kampala Hockey Club. I guess they're hearing hi guys.
Speaker 2:I mean, your place is full already From the things you've told me. You're a spoken word poet, you are a written word poet, you play hockey. You are a student. You're studying pharmacy at that. Do not ignore that, man. You are written word poet, you are. You play hockey. You are students. You're studying pharmacy at that. They're not. Ignore that, man. How do you get to juggle all these things in a day? Now you're here. Maybe after here you have to go and do practice for hockey. You're from church, you told me, maybe you have to go and read your books. Man, yeah, I cannot do that in a day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get to do that honest, I think it's just the grace of God. When I think about it, it's actually a lot. When someone says it back to me, it's a lot, but when I'm going through it it doesn't seem like it's a lot, because there's a way you can section your time appropriately. Put this here. Put this there.
Speaker 2:They tell you you have a show in the next two hours and you're supposed to be in class. So what do you do? Priority you have to prioritize.
Speaker 3:My priority is my education, then spoken word.
Speaker 2:And pokey.
Speaker 3:Those are my three. That's how I line them up.
Speaker 2:I hope your captain is not listening to you. No, my captain knows.
Speaker 3:I've told my captain this several times. So you've missed a lot of practice that means Recently, yes, recently, but last year I was a little more consistent Recently.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 3:have you been working on Currently? I've just been writing, writing, studying.
Speaker 2:So you're writing. You're like, man, I'm deep into this so I not going to appear today. What are you doing?
Speaker 3:I'm writing now my girlfriend is going to eat me. No, but the reason why, um, the reason why I stopped I first put a hold on hockey was I realized that I needed to first perfect my craft. There's also something else, there's another charity thing that I'm doing. So I realized I had a lot of my place, so I had to that I'm doing. So I realized I had a lot of my place, so I had to first remove color. Remove color some parts of the place and then I I increase my. It was cause when you divide your efforts up, you divide it, but we won't be giving things up. You need to give everything a hundred percent, but when your inputs are, divided.
Speaker 3:It's possible it's possible if you convince me. Yeah, if you prioritize.
Speaker 2:Let's say you're going to give a hundred percent to pharmacy, you come and give a hundred percent to poetry, give a hundred percent to hockey. You can't, it's not possible, that's why you have priority, a priority list. Yeah, I'm going to give my education a hundred percent. Then I can give poetry like 90%. Hockey comes in with 80%.
Speaker 3:I don't know which percentage we are talking about right now we are in degrees, but like 100% will look like this If I am able to do a bit of poetry for 40 minutes or an hour a day, if I'm able to write something for an hour a day or cram something an hour a day, if I'm able to write something for an hour a day or cram something an hour a day, that's the 100% I've given in my poetry, because by the end of a month I will have a lot of content and I would have improved my skillmanship, my workmanship. I get you, it's very possible. Also, I feel like I'm currently in your 20s. It's very important for you to try everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, try everything. Find what sets your heart on fire, try it. Don't stop until you've tried it. Give it some time, don't relax in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, let's talk about the heart of the matter today. When you start writing today, when you start writing, when you start performance spoken word, performances, the written one when you start doing this, when you start seeing that I actually have the ability to do this, I can actually go for it and I think I'm well, I can craft my skill. Eventually I'll be there when you start doing this when did I start?
Speaker 3:that's a very good question. Okay, I started in form in my senior one. My, I didn't start in my senior one, I got the inspiration in my senior one. There's a poet he's also one of the poetry nights called diego mwesewa ah, he's the love, the love, point. Yeah, the love point is super, super lovely very it's a very good laugh point.
Speaker 3:Everyone should check him out. He told me he he invited me for a show. We were friends. I was in form one, he was in form six back, who are family friends, oh. So he invited all of us. All his family friends were like neighbors at home, not from, I think there's a family friend. He invited all of us for a show. So we went for the show. We watched the show he was performing. Yeah, he was all of us for our show. So we went for the show. We watched the show. He was performing. Yeah, he was performing. He had made the show.
Speaker 3:It was called Love's Kachombali. So it was very mind-blowing. It was so nice. It was very exciting Because it was the first time I was ever introduced to spoken word poetry. I always thought it was like acting, but it's acting with more emotion and everything put in one and nice diction and everything, yes. So when I watched the show I told him I want to learn, but you know how, being a 14 year old and insecurities yeah everything like man, I don't think I can do this, I don't think I can do this.
Speaker 3:So that was the whole whole level, ordinary level, by the time I reached form five. When I reached form five, kagai actually came to our school kagai and gori, yeah. So he came to our school and when he came to our school, I remembered my passion for poetry and how I loved watching poetry and how it was something I would want to do. So he came to school and I was like I can't miss this. So I went. It was an optional event. You could come if you wanted.
Speaker 3:It was held by the writers club at my school. So, um, he came and he started teaching about poetry. He gave us very small prompts and the prompts were very like there were small prompts, but then you would write so much. Now he called anyone who had ever written poetry to leave the room and go get their poems. Then people who had never including myself, people who had never he told us to remain behind and he gave us prompts and he made poetry so like anyone can do it, which is true, anyone can do it. He made it so easy and he, as if, lessened my insecurities. He made my insecurities seem very meager, very small. So I decided to. He said now from the, from the promise of even you come and then perform. So we're like okay. So we came, so you wrote, you wrote something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's calling you to perform.
Speaker 3:Yes, ah, I get it yes, so when we came and we performed just a bit, um, he chose some people, which was like 10 people from the people who had performed and I was among. So we did some poetry thing. That was very new to us. So when we were rehearsing it, it was very. He had given us the idea and he and we, we had an idea of our own. But then he gave us another idea, a very theatrical poetry idea I hope I'm not talking for too long a very theatrical poem idea where we were running on stage and like it was very. It was very. When you see it in practice, you're like what are these guys doing? But when you see it on stage because the stage is your subconscious when you see it on stage, it's literally what is happening in your subconscious. They, they, they reflect and glue okay, they glue what they are doing to your subconscious to the extent that you won't question, you'll just feel so that is form five.
Speaker 2:You start serious work yes, form five poetry.
Speaker 3:Then I, uh, I reached form six. I was so busy with school. School was too much, so I decided to start In form 6, back you know what? Let me try.
Speaker 2:Going back to what you had talked about, you made these practices With Peter, so did you get to perform this? What are your friends saying? Are you going to really take this up? Do you get to perform it anywhere?
Speaker 3:Yes, we got to perform it at school and people were very entertaining because it was our first time. What's the word? We're amateurs.
Speaker 2:It was our very first time. I know the excitement that comes with that. Yes, yes, you can give it your all 100. Yeah, I get it, so you perform. Yeah, form six is here, you and you're not really into it. You're a little bit down.
Speaker 3:I am. I'm still very interested, but busy with school because it's a candidate class.
Speaker 2:So you get down with school? Yes, I get down with school.
Speaker 3:So in vacation now, yes, in my vacation. Now, in my vacation, I remember Form 1, me wanted to do poetry. I said you know what, let me just do it. I hit up Diego, diego Mwese. I'm like hi, diego, remember when I told you I wanted to do poetry? Now I'm very, very, very interested. So he linked me up with Luz the Poet, who literally taught me everything I know right now Luz the Poet. So, luz the Poet, I linked up with him. Luz the Poet was like okay, I have a show coming up, I have a poem, would you mind performing it? I said, whoa, okay. Now, remember, in form five, when kagaya came, he came and made us write poetry. Now, when he made us write poetry, I decided I could write. I just decided. I didn't think I could write. I decided you know what I can write. So I decided to start writing. So when I I wrote a piece but I had never performed it anywhere and I really liked it, it's the one I actually performed in the next poetry night.
Speaker 2:I make sense why you perform that, why you wrote that? Because loose the loose that I know that's what he likes, really the subject matter of your piece that you're going to explain to us after this.
Speaker 2:That's what it likes, because, okay, maybe the pieces that I've washed or loose of him perform. That's the subject matter. He's talking about Activism, poetry. Yeah, there's male, female. He's trying to fight for the males, of course. So yours it was the females trying to bring in the female side of the story. Let's talk about that. So how did you get to write this and this particular thing? Because you said you wrote it in Form 5. Yes, I wrote it in Form 5.
Speaker 3:Let's first talk about the subject matter. What it's about? Okay, um, it's about a woman who okay, in my form, five I was seeing, you know, children were always in the behind the curtains, as after behind the curtains or in our bedrooms when, like important visitors, come home and stuff. So I was not only in my relatives but in other people. I was seeing a lot of women tired of their marriages and for me it didn't make sense. Because you chose this partner. Why are you tired of your marriage? And they realised it could be their fault. That's number one.
Speaker 3:But the one I was seeing a lot was it was usually the gentleman's fault. The gentleman's fault, I get it, yeah, but again, this does not sway from the fact that it could have been the women's fault. It could be the women's fault. Marriages are two people contract, yeah, yeah, contract. So it's needs both of them to work together. But I just took the point of view of the woman because the stories I was hearing a lot were from the woman's point of view. Now I can go and hunt for stories in a man's point of view, I can write a piece in a man's point of view, but that's for another day. So I wrote that piece because of what I was observing, of how I I found marriage to be very interesting, how you fall in love with someone, but you enter marriage with them and then you start to hate them.
Speaker 2:I just found that about marriage to be very confusing, so I wrote something about it and this is full faith that you're talking about and, yes, seeing you getting interested in such topics would be, I don't know, not confusing, be like why? She's just young, she doesn't know what she's talking about. And these are stories you're hearing from people. Maybe they are lying, maybe, I don't know, that's true, that's what came to your thinking. You're like, let me just take the woman's side and I read it from that point of view, because the people whom I was hearing from were majorly women.
Speaker 3:People were telling me stories of their mothers at school. Because I enjoyed having conversations, those kinds of conversations. I hate small talk. I hate small talk so much so I prefer having societal conversations, conversations about what people are going through in society, and usually that's where I get the concepts to write in my pieces.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get to know that when you write about something, you start identifying to it.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So maybe I'm thinking, if you get to have a relationship, someone is going to be like, ah, she's going to think about me as I identify her from the other perspective that she wrote her piece. You get my point. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3:But I feel like this should go out to the audience. People should understand that I'm entering a character and I have to sell that character and I have to sell thousands of women who have been in that character before me. So, yes, people may think that, but maybe once you get to talk to me, you'll realize that I have a different view, or I have. I just know how to enter people's shoes. Well, I think yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you believe that people can actually fall out of love? You love someone. Eventually you fall out of love.
Speaker 3:But you're already married.
Speaker 2:So what do you do? You have an option, of course, of divorcing yes women do not do that. Maybe they have children yeah so you believe that people actually fall out of love?
Speaker 3:I really do believe people fall out of love. I don't believe so you don't believe me?
Speaker 3:convince me that you don't, I believe.
Speaker 3:I believe people fall in love and the problem is sometimes people fall in love with the idea of someone.
Speaker 3:So if you fall in love with the idea that this person, this woman, this man is going to become like this when I marry them, without seeing it firsthand, from yourself, by yourself, I feel like that's when the marriage becomes toxic.
Speaker 3:Yourself by yourself, I feel like that's when the marriage becomes toxic. If you're able to, if you're not able to have those hard conversations, to be able to find out if you're compatible enough and do the work, the problem is perhaps people, perhaps, I repeat, perhaps I don't have a statistic perhaps people sometimes sit with this human being and fall in love and and enter a fairy tale and they live happily ever after. But is it really happily ever after? I feel like there should be more work to be put in growing yourselves, in understanding yourselves, in the conversations, in your plan to find out if you're compatible enough, instead of being at the. You know there's a height. There's a height love gives you, there's a height affection gives you, and that sometimes people use that height to determine that, yeah, our relationship always be at that height no, I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that people fall out of love. Um, well, if I fell in love with a person, well at that point I'm falling in love with that person, who they are and when we get married, or eventually, even if we don't get married and actually fall out of love. What you say it is. I just believe it's people changing, evolution happening. I just do not like them who they are right now, but I still love the other person that they used to be. So I'm not falling out of love. I just do not like who they are right now, because evolution has happened, changes have come.
Speaker 1:Maybe the person has become more angry. Yeah, I do I do but you just say something has happened. Now, no, you cannot take the other person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is evolution. Changes are popping, but you still love the person. You're just going to move away because you hate who they've become right now, not like you've fallen out of love. I don't know if I'm making sense. You get it just changes, but you still love the other person. You get me? You get my point, I think. So, yeah, I just don't believe that people fall out of love. They just cannot take the changes that are that have happened to that person what is love?
Speaker 1:what is?
Speaker 2:love. I cannot explain nobody what what I'm saying. If they are strong enough to stay here, they can deal with that person. Because you have two options moving away and staying to love the person that used to love and accepting who they are right now. They can kill you, I know, eventually, or you can kill them. You have an option of killing them.
Speaker 3:Oh dear, this is going on record.
Speaker 1:I know, but that's my point.
Speaker 2:So you wrote that piece, you performed it. It was amazing. It was really amazing because we had listened to Diego. So we are transitioning to you to your point of view. That was really amazing because we had listened to Diego. So we are trans, we are transitioning to you, to your point of view. That was really beautiful, I must say thank you so what? When you get to write these things, I mean, where are you? Where are you writing these things from all the other pieces that you've written? How do you get to get ideas?
Speaker 3:how do do I get ideas? Usually it comes, as I said, it comes from conversation when I speak to someone about what's going on in their lives, and most times okay. One thing about me is that sometimes it's hard to write about what I'm going through. You know how people find it easier to write about a very overwhelming emotion, Overwhelming emotion. How people find it it easier to write about a very overwhelming emotion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, overwhelming emotion, how people find it very difficult to write about Very easy Like for them. When they feel that emotion, they want to go straight pen to paper and write it down. Personally, I find it extremely difficult. I can write about what I've gone through. Maybe after a month I've gone through it.
Speaker 2:So what you're trying to say, the easiest way for you to write something? You generate ideas from what people are yes, what people feel?
Speaker 3:what people yes or what is going on in society or what needs to be changed. But so ends up my own shoes. I'm more comfortable wearing other people's shoes and you're writing these things from their perspective or your perspective, their perspective. Sometimes it can be from my perspective, looking at them from where I am.
Speaker 2:But usually it is from their perspective.
Speaker 3:Usually it's from them. Yes.
Speaker 2:What if you're not in agreement with whatever they are saying?
Speaker 3:What if I'm not in agreement with whatever that's, when you get to write in your perspective, I will write in my disagreement. I'll write in my disagreement. That's the thing. I'll rise in my disagreement.
Speaker 2:That's the thing I'll rise in my disagreement I get your point. A lot is happening in society. A lot is going on. We are seeing marginalized people. So you, as a poet, how do you come to be in like, let's say, this is sex, I don't know, whatever they are called LGBT and stuff like that? There's race, there's refugees. You, as a poet, how do you come in to change the society? How do you come to influence these people?
Speaker 3:how do I count influence or?
Speaker 2:maybe that's not your motive. Your motive may not be influencing maybe entertainment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, obviously I have to entertain, because that's the uses for spoken word. Poetry is to use entertainment to educate, hence edutainment. I don't know if you've heard of that, but I think, from where I am, I guess I just believe I have power in the words I speak and where I stand. I believe by speaking them I could create a mental shift in someone, and that mental shift will result into conversations that need to be heard. You get it. So I think that's what I just have to write. I just write about it.
Speaker 2:Because one thing that is exciting poems are here to disrupt, yeah, or maintain how people think, yeah. So I think what you're saying, yours usually disrupt people, get them to say whatever they're not supposed to say, whatever they've been keeping to themselves, so they, through your pieces, they get to say things that they could not have actually say. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess. So I guess In a way, yes, like I guess through my pieces I am able to have people thinking, because you see, again, as I said, when someone is on stage, they immediately turn into your subconscious. Now you already have an understanding of something in your conscience, but when someone is on stage, it's as if gives you a battle between what the person is saying and what your views are, and that friction is good, it's very good. It's what brings about conversation, it's what brings about change, because when someone has that conversation, if people are mature enough not to get offended, yeah and to just speak the truth, it enables, it enables people to have those conversations and development will occur eventually.
Speaker 3:Development, uh change, respect for human rights, etc. Etc. Etc.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about your current pieces. What you are working on, what are they about? Are you producing them? Publishing them is the right term, I suppose.
Speaker 3:I beg your pardon your current pieces?
Speaker 2:have you any published work? Do you have any published work? Where are you performing? What are these things about the pieces that you're writing about? Same same thing as what you talked about earlier.
Speaker 3:Currently are. Some of my work is in. There is a Janet called the board general. There was a For button, its name something called smile. I think it's called smile. There's some of my work is published there. I think it's called Smile. Some of my work is published there A couple of my work. I'm working on collections, on different collections, the work that I am working on currently. It's generally my point of view. It's as if I make believe Uganda. I make believe like. If only it was as easy as I was saying.
Speaker 3:You know, change and development comes from ideas yeah when an idea is developed, when an idea comes about, it is then assessed to see if it's realistic enough. Now, me, me, my book is just full of ideas. That's that's that. That's my collection, that I'm maybe I could buy it.
Speaker 2:No, an idea yeah, right now.
Speaker 3:what's your book? Okay, I have this period poverty Period. Poverty is one of the biggest problems in Uganda Because, if you see, you cannot, all over Twitter, all over Facebook, all over Instagram, you cannot miss to see a poster where people are looking for funds to fight period poverty. Now my idea is why don't we find a way to make the pads in Uganda? One make the pads accessible for people who cannot afford them. So I have a piece on that you get.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 3:I have a piece on. Currently. The part I'm almost done with is how to help girls who are not privileged enough. Girls are not privileged enough to get what they need to succeed, so that's one of them that's what do we do.
Speaker 2:What do we do to make them at least get something? What do we do again? This is make believe.
Speaker 3:I repeat it's make believe, but it's an idea.
Speaker 2:An idea needs to be assessed. I just want to get into your mind and see what should we do to do that they should?
Speaker 3:be made cheaper. And by making them cheaper, we need to find a way to First of all, make them in Uganda, make those which are sustainable for them. If, instead of a girl spending, the question is, a girl spends 3,500 on a packet of pads every month All two packets of pads at Samedke why not find a way to make the pads as cheap as as what? As 100. They don't need to be free. Why don't you find a way to make them cheap? I think it's Scotland that has just recently made the parts cheap. Obviously, the economy of Scotland and the economy of Uganda is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it goes back to manufacturing production, all the costs. So what you're saying you should come here, you should be like a government organization doing that, so they should actually make them free. That's what you're actually.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying, like if there's any ngo out there, yeah, come and like. That's one way you can help girls out instead of them worrying spending that three, five now that you're making that idea.
Speaker 2:Do you think there are people who are going to implement it for you, who can actually come, come on board and collect some people that you can get to work with? And start working towards it. Just creating the idea and putting it there and you're like ah, whoever may see it, whoever it might concern.
Speaker 3:I don't think I am in a position to do anything about it. All I can do is write okay, okay, not all I can do. What I can do first is write about it, talk about it, have conversations about it. Hopefully someone who can have, who has enough, enough funds and enough connections so you've written about it.
Speaker 2:You're going to publish the collection, right? Yes, why don't you make the collection free so that people can actually get rid about it and maybe implement the idea? Because if you make it for sale, you're sure that a lot of people will buy it. So let's start with you. It starts with you. Make it free.
Speaker 3:Make it free, If I'm able to get funding starts with you make it free. Make it free if I'm able to get funding.
Speaker 2:No, no, no I mean you're making a change, you're just sacrificing yourself. I mean to get the funds. Uh, make this collection free so that girls can actually get to read it, or potential sponsors get to read it, and maybe that is my part, I played my part.
Speaker 3:I get what you mean, but again, this is my hustle so it goes back to those who are making pads.
Speaker 2:It's also a hustle, no, it's okay, it's.
Speaker 3:Yes, I understand it's their hustle, but what can be made to make them cheaper?
Speaker 1:like it's.
Speaker 3:It's like this. The thing is, uganda is still importing pads. Why don't you make them here? You get what can be done to make them cheaper, you know once a service comes to Uganda.
Speaker 2:let's say, we understand Umeme is going out, but the moment it goes out, electricity is going to be way expensive than it was. Do you believe that? Do you believe that? Yes, yes, it's going to be more expensive. So if we stop, uh, getting pads from outside the country and we give it to the hands of ugandans like a company like you're going to make past, they're going to make them more expensive and they're going to make you believe they'll give you a quotation like this is what we are doing. We're using this much money to actually make them. Yeah, you get my point. That is how Uganda is. I think it only gets back to us as people. It's not money that works, it's the heart. Yeah, it's the heart that works. So if we get into our heart, we're like we're going to do this, then you can actually do it. I think that's it. Yeah, it's not about the money, it's about the heart. So let's look at this, at poetry, as we come to a conclusion with this. How do you look at poetry from the monetary side of view?
Speaker 1:Do you believe it's?
Speaker 2:going to pay you at a point, or are you just making art for art, or that's? What you're studying it's just going to be passion, then I'll take my pharmacy to wherever it leads me, and then art will be just art.
Speaker 3:I believe I will benefit from it. I believe I'll benefit from it. Even though it's not monetary, I believe I'll benefit from it. Maybe another way I can benefit is I believe I'll create an impact. That's number one that would make me happy. That would make me satisfied. I believe I will create an impact. That's number one that would make me happy. That would make me satisfied. I believe I will let young people like through words, through art, you can make young people believe they can make it in whatever they do.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 3:That's another way. Yeah, when it's Harini currently in Uganda it's very hard to make money from poetry, like from what I've seen. Maybe someone can tell me otherwise. You can make some money but it's very hard to make it. But it is still possible if we as Ugandans come together and go the lengths to make poetry a respectable form of art.
Speaker 2:I get your point. Thank you so much for being here. It's really a pleasure having you here, loretta. What's your other name? Kansime Kansime, you're from the West. Yes, which part is that?
Speaker 3:Which part is that? Which part of the West Kabali?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, what's in the Shomba? I can speak a few things from there. It's a pleasure having you here. You're such a dreamer and I like it. Thank you, I can't wait to have you again, thank you my pleasure.
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