The Crawler Podcast Part 1 With Ore Babatunde From Uplink Robotics

In this podcast I am joined by Oreoluwa Babatunde Co-Founder & Head of Software @ UplinkRobotics LLC

John Laforme and Ore Babatunde discussed the latest developments in robotics for home inspections, including drones, rovers, crawl bots, and camera technology. They explored potential applications such as navigating tight spaces and providing detailed images. Later, they discussed starting a robotics company and potential uses in search and rescue operations. They discussed designing a customized RC vehicle for home inspections and improving a handheld inspection camera. Lighting was emphasized as crucial for camera functionality.

Contact Information:

https://www.uplinkrobotics.com/

(307) 225-9210

Transcript

John Laforme: 0:00

Buying a home. Don't panic. Just listen to the rest of this podcast. Okay, everybody. Today we're gonna talk robotics. I'm sitting here with a real Lua puppet Cindy. All right, I was gonna butcher that. That's why I wanted you to say, I tricked you. I thought had you thinking I was gonna say? But Ori, right? Yes. Okay, the easy way. So we're gonna call you or Ray, or Ray is with upblink robotics. And he makes really cool stuff. So you are one of the owners? Yes. So tell me about that. Tell me about your company.

Ore Babatunde: 0:40

So like you said, Our name is uplink robotics. And so we started about two years ago, two years ago now. And we're four owners in total. So myself and two guys, one girl, and we all went to school together and University of Wyoming. So let's well let's hear their names. Who are they? So Brady, Brady Wagstaff, Zoey, Wharton and then Christian bits us. Those are their other names. Okay.

John Laforme: 1:06

Excellent. I believe Christian is one that first contacted me he is yeah, I found you guys through Instagram. Because I saw your bots. And I was like, I've been using I'm a I'm a big bot user. So I've been using bots close to eight years. So I got quite a I got I got so much experience using these. It's not even funny. I've done everything to these you can possibly imagine. I've crashed them. The only thing I haven't done is caught them on fire. But we can work on that. So. So you're talking to somebody who uses these just about every day for work as a home inspector. Yeah. But I've been in the market. I've been in the market for a newer model. Because I mean, the one I've had the one I'm using now, which we'll unveil shortly here is, you know, I've been using that at least six years. That's been my workhorse. I broke it many times. I've had it fixed many times. But I'm not a mechanic with these. I can fix your car. But I can't fix these. I don't have the know how I don't have the tiny little tools that you need to fix these types of things. I only have a big soldering gun. I don't have the tiny ones. You know what I mean? Yeah, all those little things that make a difference. So. So as far as your company being very new, two years old. So how many products do you have?

Ore Babatunde: 2:32

So right now on our lineup, so this year, we're having quite a few in the channel, but mainly for home inspectors. We have about three in our lineup right now. Okay,

John Laforme: 2:41

for home inspectors.

Ore Babatunde: 2:42

So you you also cater to other industries, or we're trying to break out into other industries. Yeah.

John Laforme: 2:47

So I could see this maybe being used for search and rescue. Definitely. Yeah, I definitely see that. Yeah. Just like drones. Something ask us something about the word drone. Yeah. You're in the robotics business. And I'm not. People call my drone. A drone. The one that flies, yeah. But our bots called drones as well. I would say no. Okay, what would you how would you categorize them?

Ore Babatunde: 3:12

So I would say a drone is more when I think about a drone. It's more of an aircraft, like you said, like the ones that fly up, right around control. While these more common names are like rovers, what people would call

John Laforme: 3:25

them? Yeah. Mars rovers. Yeah, I get that a lot at work. Yeah, I get that a lot where but a lot of customers will see it will see the one I use and like, Oh, is that a drone? I'm like, well, doesn't fly. So I was correct. By saying that, so Okay, so I just wanted a little clarity on that, because I've never really had that conversation before. It's someone's like, in that in the industry. So it's like, Okay, understood. I've had many drones, I've only crashed one. Really bad get impressive. And guess what? I had to replace it. So the one I have now literally just started breaking on me the other day, and not because I crashed it, the swing arm just started it popped out of the body. So if I take it out this the one of the propeller arms, it'll just sag, but it still flies. Because as soon as you turn it on, it sucks it up. Yeah. And there's a there's a block and there's a block in front of it, so it won't go up and just crash. So I got lucky yesterday and used it twice. And I'm like oh this is this crash is it's gonna land on a tile roof. Not good. It's two stories was a two to a to two story homes yesterday. So I gotta send that off to DJI get that fixed. Maybe you can fix it while you're here.

Ore Babatunde: 4:38

I'll think about it.

John Laforme: 4:40

All right, so. So anyway, like I said, I saw your product. I've been looking for a new one. I reached out to Christian. He connected me with you. And you and I tried a few different times to get this going. But here we are today and we've got some unveiling to do we do now is there anything you want to add before we start on veiling?

Ore Babatunde: 5:01

Um, no, no, not a lot. I would just say I was excited to come up to talk about this today because you are really experienced. Like, he's like you said, you've been using this for a while. And I could tell from your YouTube channel too, that you're really into crawl bots. And so I was like, you know, taking our crawler to someone like you who's used crawlers a lot. Well, I'm calling the crawler because that's what we call this. Okay, I'm kind of jumping ahead a little.

John Laforme: 5:22

That's okay. I was gonna ask you that. What do you call it? You call it a crawler.

Ore Babatunde: 5:25

We call it a crawler. Okay.

John Laforme: 5:27

There's a there's actually another tool out there called the crawler. And it's just something you lay in.

Ore Babatunde: 5:34

Like you Oh, for home inspectors. Yeah. Oh, like,

John Laforme: 5:37

it's got four wheels. And the body you can buy it small, medium, large. Yeah. And you literally put your lower torso by your waist, yeah, in it, and you just pull yourself around on that house. And it does work. And I know a termite inspectors that do use them. I actually have one of my van in the event, I can't use my my workhorse. So that's it. So one thing I want to say about before we do this is a good topic to bring up is our bots going to solve every problem and a crawlspace? In other words, are they going to work in every crawlspace? That's a no, that is a big no. So anybody watching this, you got to understand these have limitations. Like when I need a screwdriver to unscrew something, well, I'm going to use a screwdriver. If I can use this, I use it just like a tool. It's not a guarantee. So when I show it to people's houses, and they know I have this already, they're like, hey, we want to see you use the bike. Well, that'd be great. But I can't use it. Because if I can't go rescue it and recover it, when it gets stuck, or flips over or the battery dies or whatever the hell happens or falls in a trench. If I can't go get it. I can't send it in. Yeah. So I do get a lot of calls from customers. Hey, I see that you have crawl bots and I have a really tight crawl space. And I'm like, Well, sir, can you get in there? Know? How big are you? He tells me his size and like well sound like you're about the same size as me. So if you can't get in, I can't send it in. And if I come out there, I have to charge you. Just to tell you I can't send it in. So it's not the answer. So anyway, just want to point that out, too. And I think any new home inspectors considering these, you got to really make sure you have experience crawling yourself under houses, because you're going to misinterpret things. So there are some ups and downs here. But today we're going to mostly talk about the ups. Because this is really exciting for me. So you have here one of your Is this one of your latest models.

Ore Babatunde: 7:46

So this is the one we've sold the most. So this is the original V 1.1. V 1.1.

John Laforme: 7:52

Okay, so how'd you come up with that name? V 1.1.

Ore Babatunde: 7:56

It didn't come up until we started making more. At first we just called it the Martin. So Mar tn. So we just call it the Martin. And then when we started bringing out other versions, like we should probably differentiate between all these other versions we're trying to bring up. So we just Yeah, that'd be a 1.1. All right, I

John Laforme: 8:14

can't take it any longer. Let's see this thing. All right, let's unveil this bill.

Ore Babatunde: 8:19

This guy right here. So this is the

John Laforme: 8:22

Martin Wow, look at the size of the tires on this thing.

Ore Babatunde: 8:25

And that's by design. That's for specific reason. This

John Laforme: 8:28

is my first time seeing this in front of me. I have not seen this yet. So I actually had or come in here and say I said, Hey, cover this up. I don't want to see it until we're recording this. Wow, look at the size of these tires. That's got to be what four inches there. Yeah, they're about four inches wide. That looks pretty robust, man.

Ore Babatunde: 8:48

Yeah, it comes at a monitor. And so we have like a little thing here in the controller where you just slide it in. Oh,

John Laforme: 8:54

nice. I like that part.

Ore Babatunde: 8:57

And you're good to go.

John Laforme: 8:59

I liked that. And this controller is that basically for like an RC vehicle? Yeah, yeah. And you just kind of you can just buy is so it's is it pretty compatible, like with different types? Because this is the this is the stuff that confuses the hell out of me. Yeah. Like, which one do I need? which frequency it is? There's a lot going on there. So it's like accounting, if you don't do it every day, when someone starts talking accounting, it's a little confusing. Yeah. So and

Ore Babatunde: 9:28

so we actually sent all this together. And so everything is preset, you don't need to worry about like what frequency do you need to change it to or whatever. Once it comes in the box. You can just turn it on and it's basically plug and play plug and play plug and play.

John Laforme: 9:42

Nice, easy and it comes in and gets on case. It does come with a custom case. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So I found if I remember correctly, I if I'm if I understand correctly, if you flip these over, it just keeps going. It does it and the camera adjust for

Ore Babatunde: 9:59

that. So the camera stays upside down in the view for now. Okay, we're working on that. But um, yeah, you can still drive it around. And that was our biggest, I would say focus when we started making these. Because obviously home inspectors are getting this so they don't have to go under there, or at least as much as possible. Like you said, it's not going to substitute a home inspector, sometimes you might have to, like go into there to look at things yourself. But at least you want to go there under there as least as you can. Right? Sure. Minimal. Yeah, exactly. And so when you send this in, we know that there's a chance that it might get bumped, something could get flipped around. And so that's actually the purpose for it's kind of like boxy design, it's symmetrical. And the way that if it flips over, it can still drive,

John Laforme: 10:45

it'll still go in the same direction, it will still go. So if you're going forward, and it flips, it'll still

Ore Babatunde: 10:50

while the directions that controls flip to with it. So forward is going to be backwards after and then backwards is going to be forward. Wow.

John Laforme: 10:57

So you just have to know that. Yeah, you just have to know that as the as the user. Okay, I got. Okay, so what's the way so,

Ore Babatunde: 11:06

actually,

John Laforme: 11:06

it's not bad? Yeah,

Ore Babatunde: 11:07

it's not too heavy.

John Laforme: 11:08

It does have a handle on the back. It does have a handle. Okay, that's handy. Yeah. Handy handle me ago. Yeah. And in front of me here, I'm looking at the camera. So let's point that over that way. Here's the camera. And now we go. Now, is that a what kind of Oh, I know what kind of camera that is. Zoom. Can I use the wrong cam? Yeah, the wrong cam. So you have the run camp inserted in here and it's very well protected. It is. Now the camera's not waterproof. No, no. Okay. Is any part of this bought waterproof or water resistant? This

Ore Babatunde: 11:42

one isn't but then mark two is water resistant. The one that we're coming out with this year? Okay.

John Laforme: 11:48

And does that have this concealed more than the cameras concealed? That's, that's what makes the difference? Yeah.

Ore Babatunde: 11:54

Okay, even the chassis itself, the body is more more smaller, smaller gaps. You see, this one has a little bit more gaps around it. So that one we really minimalize the gaps to in what what's inside that door here. So this is the door for the battery. It's not in there right now, because it's in the case. Okay. You open this up and you just slide the battery in here. And this is the connector. Okay,

John Laforme: 12:19

good. Yeah, that's a nice that's a nice big connector. I like that. I don't like these tiny little connectors. Man. Those are hard today. They were out. And they were out quick. If you yank them the least bit comes apart. I've had to do some soldering in the garage to save my save my week. Yeah, like, man, but they're so tiny. I don't I just don't like dealing with that stuff. So I'm just blown away at how big these wheels are. Because these wheels are literally double double in size, if not bigger than what I have on my current bot. So yeah, as you can see over there, you got some wire cut in that wheel. That's one Yeah. Yeah, like right here, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the that's one of the things that is a reality for anyone that has one of these doors thinking about buying one. There's all kinds of shit underneath people's houses that just that old that alarm wire. Yeah, none of these guys staple it to the floor joists, they just leave it on the ground. So you gotta be real careful. Because these Nabis pick up everything they grab that cable, they spin it in. I've gone on my latest crawl but video I posted I had to go on there and rescue it. And I left it in the video of me clunk crawling in the rescue. Cut the wires. So these are these are the realities of what can happen. The only way I'm always thinking in my head, like what would I do if I design one of these? The only way to keep that from happening is have something like almost like almost like a bumper come around the front of the wheels. Just kind of deflect those things from getting in here. Because that's the problem area. Yeah. And then maybe even something else here. Like an arm sticking out with like a tee, just to keep scars just to keep things from going in. But I'm sure that would have its problems too. Yeah. But it's probably better the way it is, overall, but I would love to see some somebody designed something like that just to see, well, is that gonna work a one? Because I've seen everything. I've seen all the problems now. I don't think I can create any any more problems with my box. So what else can you tell me about this that, you know, makes it exciting? So

Ore Babatunde: 14:33

I would say first of all, the handle is a big hit the handle where home inspectors can just pick this up and walk in? Yeah, they love it. It's like you're going to work with the briefcase. Yeah, so let's go and I will say the camera too is really great because you have these you see these two spotlights here. When we first started we didn't have that. So this was feedback from our customers when they're like you know what, it would be nice if the lights followed the camera as it went absolutely for looking around and so we Brady, he's our engineer who designs most of the body and everything. So he found a way to put these two spotlights here right by the camera. So that way once it's going up and down, it follows it. Yeah.

John Laforme: 15:11

Yeah, that's good. Because if you're right under a pipe, and you got to get a good shot of that, if your lights only going that way, you're going to be in the dark. Exactly. Lighting is super important on the So is this an LED? Yes, it is an LED. Okay. And these, these ones here, also LEDs? Yeah. Anyway, we can fire this up to see how bright they are. Definitely.

Ore Babatunde: 15:28

The power switch is back here. Okay, so you just flip it on, and

John Laforme: 15:32

it goes shooting across the table.

Ore Babatunde: 15:34

Thankfully, you will be surprised about how many things happen when you're an engineer, and you're making things Oh, I like this works perfectly. And then you take it in for the big moment. And then you turn it on. And he's like, what's going on? Why isn't it working? It works five minutes ago.

John Laforme: 15:50

Electronics man. Yeah, they're very sensitive. So

Ore Babatunde: 15:54

just going to, that's the camera gimbal going up and down. All right. That's the lights. I see that spotlight going with it. I see

John Laforme: 16:02

two different color temperatures on the lines there. Okay. Cool. All right, and have any feedback on the brightness being good enough now?

Ore Babatunde: 16:11

Yes. Yeah. So one thing actually, the one of some of the home inspectors told us was that it was actually too bright for them. And so we're like, Okay, we're gonna work on that. And so the next version we're coming out with has a control for how you can make it dimmer or brighter based on what you want.

John Laforme: 16:26

Right. So what I currently do with the one I use is I have a camera light. And I have LED light strip across the front. So if I'm in a spot, and it looks like it's too shiny, what they mean by too bright is that it's it's hitting a reflective surface, and you can't really see what's going on. So I just turn off the LED for a second. And the camera light typically gives me enough. So maybe consider just an a way to turn off one of the two light systems. Yeah, that's might be an easier solution than trying to create a adjustable thing. I don't even know if that's possible, but I'm just saying it works. I do run into that. So that's legit. That's a legit request right there. Awesome, man. Does it does this thing turn? Yeah,

Ore Babatunde: 17:12

I can turn to right now. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, let's try writing your eyes. That's all right. All right.

John Laforme: 17:21

All right. Cool. Can I see the monitor I just want to see, face it towards you. Okay, face it towards you. And then I want to see the image quality. Oh, and it's got a battery display on the back.

Ore Babatunde: 17:34

Tells you how your battery is. Okay, got it.

John Laforme: 17:37

And what's the what's the resolution on this camera?

Ore Babatunde: 17:40

So the resolution for videos and records forte. And then for images. It does 12 megapixels.

John Laforme: 17:47

Yeah. Let me show everybody the LED on the back of the battery. I don't know if you can see that. But it's got a light there shows you the charge. That's really cool. Yeah. That's really cool. I like that. So this one here obviously works off of that controller. Yes. And a separate monitor. Now, other other ones that you have that you have to use a smartphone. Yes.

Ore Babatunde: 18:11

So we have one. So this lineup is the Martin. So we have one that's called the mink. And that's kind of like our lower tier kind of make you call it. We call it them. Have

John Laforme: 18:20

you seen that video series on YouTube to make man? No, I haven't. Oh, this guy trained and trained minx to go chase rats. You got to see this. I mean, he has these, these, these, these banks work side by side with dogs. And they go to farms, where major rat infestations are. And the dogs don't mistake the make for a rat. Wow. And they know the difference they get out of the way. The owners, right, they're giving them commands. You got to see it. It's amazing. And that little mink, they just love going after rats, they'll go in their holes and fight them in there, kill them and drag them out and put them right in a bucket. He's got them trained like that. Even the dogs will bite them or shake them to death. Kill them and drop them in a bucket. That's you got to see if it flips over. Yeah, it just looks like that. Yeah.

Ore Babatunde: 19:15

And so that's why we have this kind of like boxy symmetric view. So once it flips over, basically keeps going. It's got

John Laforme: 19:22

it's got a good wide stance to it. That I like. I do like the wide stance. I'm curious to see how this is going to work on pipes. But don't worry, we're gonna do a little demo later. Under my house, right where we're sitting, we're gonna be under there jumping over pipes and stuff later. We're gonna see see what this thing can really do. I

Ore Babatunde: 19:41

was coming over here and it was like, you have a lot of John has a lot of experience with robots. I'm just gonna give you the controls and like, just drive it. Drive it and let me know.

John Laforme: 19:50

What's the miles per hour on this thing. It

Ore Babatunde: 19:52

goes around 1.2 I believe 1.2 Miles that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, not the fastest, but Right. So Oh,

John Laforme: 20:01

one thing I want to point out is in my years of using, I got my original one here. And I got the second one I bought, which I still use today. In the middle, I'm sorry, after No, no, after the second one, a different version came out from the person I bought this from. And it was a track version. So I was curious, and I went and tried it, and it was too slow. Why do you need speed, you don't really want speed to inspect? Yeah. But if I'm done inspecting, I just want that thing to fly out of the hole. So I can continue on with what I got a ton of shit to do. Sure. So there's a there's a time and a place for the speed because some crawl spaces are so wide open. Yeah, you can literally fly from one end to the other to get that little shot you need. Double check that pipe, that's maybe I'm inside the house flushing the toilet, I want to see if the rings leakin. So I'll do something like that. So the speed does come in handy. So just to get out of there, and maybe get in past a point you already saw. You don't want to waste a bunch of time because it's like watching waterboy. It's not fun like that. So speed is important. But to get you new guys go slow. There's a speed limit when you knew you have to follow it. So let's jump back to you for a minute. Something I wanted to ask you earlier. Yeah. How was your company founded? So how did that how did that go down?

Ore Babatunde: 21:27

So one, I think it was the summer of 2021. I in Christian who was the guy who reached out to you first time. So he's the CEO. He's the CEO of the company. That's his position. And we're both working internships that summer. And so we had a nine to five. And we were actually working from the same office space, because it was like it was about a year after COVID have started. And so it was everyone is still doing work from home and everything. We were working together. Internship, so two separate internships, but we're in the same room. Okay, and so we were working there and one day, we were just like, Man, this nine to five is really hard.

John Laforme: 22:07

Oh, that's so funny, young guys. What's work?

Ore Babatunde: 22:12

This is a lot of work. So we're like, what options do we have? And we're like, well, we could start a company. And it was honestly a joke or like joking around, we had a whiteboard in the same room. And so we got up and we were just talking like, Okay, if we started a company, what would we do? Or like, you know, we do like robots. We like playing around with robots and everything. So maybe we'll make it a robotics company. And so we kind of wrote it on the board. And then honestly, I don't know about Christian, but I walked back to my desk and like, Ah, that was really funny. And that was really fun to talk about, but then not really thinking much about it. And then we went back to work. And then some weeks later, actually Christian. Oh, and before I forget, Brady was also working an internship that summer, and we were all kind of in the same space. He wasn't in our room. But he was in a separate room. But all right, super close. And so he walks in with us, like talking about that, because it was around lunchtime, we started talking. And so he walks in, he sees us talking. And then he just sits there. And he just looks at us. And he's just listening. And then he was like, Yeah, that would be pretty cool. And then we all kind of talk and play around, right. And so that was kind of like the first time we talked about it. And then a couple of weeks later, Christian comes back and he's like, You know what, my dad's home inspector, and he told me, it would be really cool. If we could make something for them. That would go under crawlspaces.

John Laforme: 23:27

Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. And what's what state was he in? His

Ore Babatunde: 23:31

that? Yeah, Florida, Florida. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

John Laforme: 23:35

Well, wait a second. They even have crawlspaces in Florida. I guess they do. I guess they do. Maybe it's for trailers zone, maybe? As pretty sure everything probably. Yeah, pretty sure that's probably what it is. Because, well, I don't know. I don't live in Florida, but I've been there. I got relatives out there. And I don't recall seeing any race foundations. It's got to be trailers. But anyway, that's a good story. Yeah. Where's your accent from? My accent? Nigeria, Nigeria, originally from Nigeria? Yeah, your English is really good, man. How long have you been here?

Ore Babatunde: 24:05

I've been here about seven years. Wow. That's seven years. That's,

John Laforme: 24:10

I never would have guessed. That's crazy. Yeah. All right. So you call it a crawler.

Ore Babatunde: 24:16

We call it a crawler. Okay.

John Laforme: 24:19

The one I have is called a crawl bot.

Ore Babatunde: 24:22

Okay, I have to tell you this though. Okay. We were in a meeting this week. And we're talking about how I'm coming to do this podcast. And then Brady, who's the other co owners like tell him to make it maybe name it the color podcast now for this particular episode. I was like, I don't know if we can ask him to do that. But I was like, maybe I'll mention it the

John Laforme: 24:40

crawler podcast the crawler podcast are we gonna do this week?

Ore Babatunde: 24:44

I don't know.

John Laforme: 24:48

We're gonna do a alrea All right, or Ray's gonna do a lot of driving. So if we're gonna do this once a week he's gonna let a drive in to do but anyway, now that's that's that's a great story. I like I like Good hearing those types of things, how businesses started up and all that good stuff. Someday we'll talk about how I started mine. Not today. Okay, so you are the software engineer? Yeah. Okay. What does that mean? So

Ore Babatunde: 25:14

basically, the way I think about it, as we have our phones, right, we have where it is Apple or Android, you have your phone, the physical phone. And then what makes it actually interested in is all the apps and everything you can use on it like camera and like your text messages and GPS, GPS, your maps,

John Laforme: 25:33

my favorite thing, GPS, the non thinking app. Yeah.

Ore Babatunde: 25:38

Just again, I just follow the directions. Yeah. So that's, that's the way I think about it, especially for this. I'm constantly thinking, what can you have the physical crawler. So what else would be useful to make this even more cool? Okay, we know that you're avoiding crawling down there. A lot now that you have the color and you can move it around. But what else would be cool for you to be able to do

John Laforme: 26:00

with this that wrote the report itself?

Ore Babatunde: 26:02

We've talked about that. We have talked about that. We have a lot of ideas.

John Laforme: 26:07

Mapping? Yep. Have you talked about mapping? We haven't

Ore Babatunde: 26:10

talked about it, but it's been up here like you. You

John Laforme: 26:13

take this and go under a house and follow the perimeter foundation. Yep. gives you exact size. And then somewhere pops up on your phone or something? Yeah, now we're talking. Now we're talking. Just Just a little tip for you guys. So continue the software. So yeah. Inside here is the brains. Yeah. And there's the brain. You write that on a computer?

Ore Babatunde: 26:37

Yeah, we program. There's a chip in there. And we basically give it all the cool instructions on first of all directions on how to move it. And then all the other fun stuff.

John Laforme: 26:48

And where did you? Where did you learn how to do that? That's cool. That's cool.

Ore Babatunde: 26:51

They so I went to University of Wyoming, I actually started Computer Engineering at school. And so that's where I learned how to code, all the wiring and everything. That's where I learned that to the same with Christian and Brady, because we're all computer engineers. At school. I see

John Laforme: 27:06

pewter engineers. All right, Zoe, she's a

Ore Babatunde: 27:09

business person. So she basically joined us and she was like a missing piece. Because we're all like, yeah, ones and zeros, wires, this and all that. And she was like, You need a business plan. And you need this and good

John Laforme: 27:22

for her. You know why? Because just because you're good at your craft does not mean you're good at running a business. That's true. That's rule number one in life. Most people don't know that until they fail. Yeah, yeah. But I'm so good at building great. Why you got to work. Because you didn't think about getting the word out marketing. You know, paying the bills. Yeah, stuff like that. And it's super important. So I'm really happy to hear you found you found someone that to fill that void, because that's most business owners biggest problem. Yeah, they don't know how to run their business. Yeah. So good stuff. That's it. That is a great story. And I think you guys have unlimited possibilities with this stuff. You guys can grow so big, and do so many different things and cover so many different, like categories. Like you said search and rescue. Home inspectors, termite inspectors, yeah. Now termite inspectors have a problem with these. Actually, they're one of the original inventor of the ones I have, he was a term that he is a termite inspector. But you know, he had good points, it doesn't look up on a sill plate, there is no like, little arm with an eye on it. Like in the movies. That looks up the good dudes looking. Now if you come up with that, then you might satisfy a lot of termite guys. But termite guys when they see what I have, yeah, they're like, whoa. And that's one of the biggest pleasures of having this besides its ability is the reaction from customers. They just look at you like you're a rock star when you pull this thing out. Whoa, you got raw. You got a robot?

Ore Babatunde: 29:02

Yeah, like what? That's that's one of the things we thought of when the wow factor sizing this Yeah, we're like, you know what, if you pull up with this to an inspection, you're gonna look really cool. And official to your customers.

John Laforme: 29:14

Right, right. Right. So thanks again for coming out. And I expect you guys to send me one of those shirts. Yes.

Ore Babatunde: 29:20

Yes. I was supposed to bring one for you. You what