Childlike Wonder and Spiritual Leadership Explored

What if some souls arrive on Earth only 80% ready, needing the rest of their growth to happen here? We humorously explore this idea in our latest episode, sparked by a thought-provoking question from a listener in Jacksonville, Florida. We'll venture into the realms of reincarnation, pondering whether innate talents from past lives carry over. Is the population boom spreading souls too thin? Through analogies from nature and business, we paint a picture of "undercooked" souls and share our reflections on encounters with both extraordinarily aware and notably underdeveloped children. 

Next, we dive into the contagious joy of perpetual happiness and optimism, even amid life's struggles. How do such individuals shape our understanding of negative emotions? We'll touch on the importance of inclusivity within spiritual and religious practices, celebrating everyone's unique contributions, no matter their capabilities. From the simple joys of repetitive tasks to the dedication required in spiritual communities, we explore what true leadership means. Join us for a rich conversation filled with insights, laughter, a celebration of childlike wonder, and of course, coffee.

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Speaker 1 0:21

Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. If you enjoy our content, please consider donating and following our socials. Now here are your hosts, lady Abba and Lord Knight.

Speaker 2 0:33

Alright Lord Knight, I brought my own coffee. It's the cold kind because it's a thousand degrees outside.

Speaker 3 0:39

Not a thousand. It's close, it's pretty close.

Speaker 2 0:43

But it is definitely time to manifest with my iced coffee. So we have some questions that we're going to answer from peoples, and the first one comes from Georgetta McMullen. She's in Jacksonville, florida I assume it was Florida anyway and she was asking us to do a follow-up to the episode on souls, specifically those who are not ready to be here yet. Okay, the question's a little vague, but I guess she just wants our thoughts on it, opinions whatever, sure Well.

Speaker 4 1:25

I mean, this all comes from the idea that, well, remember, sometime after World War II we started getting reports of people remembering how they died.

Speaker 2 1:36

Oh yeah, that's been going on for ages, though.

Speaker 4 1:39

And again, we've even suggested that people that play piano and stuff like that, that just have these innate talents, this could be something from one incarnation to a next.

Speaker 2 1:48

Absolutely, it's possible. We don't know.

Speaker 4 1:50

Right, but does this mean that they can also bring over other baggage?

Speaker 2 1:55

Well, I think baggage always comes along for the ride. I don't know if I, you know, subscribe to it the same way that the Buddhists do, right know if I you know, subscribe to it, the same way that the buddhists do.

Speaker 2 2:06

You know that you literally are forced to learn from life to life what you failed to learn the last time. But I think the whole idea of undercooked souls or those that aren't quite ready, I mean I feel like we've all met someone where we have gone oh boy, you were a woodland creature right, right before this or, um, possibly even a turnip.

Speaker 2 2:33

It happens, and it happens often. There's two things that I think that are important to that. The first is and we've talked about this right, there's only as much energy as there is. Right, you cannot create more. Well, we are, as a population, booming. Yes, there are too many of us. So, inevitably, I think some of what gets used to incarnate souls is spread a little thin sometimes. So, yeah, turnip, it happens. I also kind of thought about this in a funny way now no.

Speaker 4 3:11

Would you also describe these same people as what they would?

Speaker 2 3:34

that you hear that these are the npcs of, you know, children, right, you can be anything. You can be the president, you can be. Somebody has to take out the garbage people. Somebody has to take out the garbage people. Some, right, I mean somebody. There's always going to be somebody to do the jobs that other people don't want to do. There's always the, the infrastructure, if you will, of of a, of a group. I mean look at you know, I mean look at nature, right, right, you have in the bug community, very clearly right minions, so to speak.

Speaker 4 4:07

Well, I mean, if we all know I'm a little bit more country, but if you see an animal get hit on the side of the road or something, there's a process that goes on first, more upper the hierarchy.

Speaker 2 4:19

Hierarchy starts.

Speaker 4 4:20

You got wolves and dogs, and then raccoons, and, and it keeps on going down until everything is broke down.

Speaker 2 4:28

Yep, it's kind of gross, but it's true. I also had a fun thought with this question because I thought it was quite lovely. Thank you, Georgina. It made me think of it a little bit from a business perspective and I went does God prescribe to the 80-20 rule, which, if you don't know what that is in business, there is a mantra for people who, like myself, tend to be a little bit too much of a perfectionist, too much of a type A perfectionist, too much of a type a, where we want things to be 100 before we introduce it.

Speaker 2 5:13

Launch it, you know, make it available. No, no, no, no, no. The any you know business person with let's experience will tell you it's 80, you launch at 80, the remaining 20 will be developed along the way along the way over those first few years. So I thought about that in relation to a soul. I'm like well, that kind of makes sense, don't it? You're 80 there, let's just go ahead and shove you back through the veil. The rest will happen as it happens and huh, maybe.

Speaker 4 5:48

Because We'll finish putting the ship together as we go along.

Speaker 2 5:50

Yes, and I mean I don't know about you, but I will be honest enough to say I have met in my time right even sometimes children. You look into their eyes and you go, oh boy, there is something missing, there is something a little askew. Yeah, they're a little underbaked, yes. And then there's other times. I have looked at some children and gone, uh-oh, I cannot spend time in a room with you, you will absorb way too much. And they follow you and their eyes track you, and I'm talking about littles.

Speaker 4 6:28

I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 6:30

Under the age of three.

Speaker 4 6:32

Like I know there's something.

Speaker 2 6:34

Yeah, one of my close friends' children, who, lord, when he was like two I was like whoa, this kiddo. He was just way, way, way, way too. All there, um, at such a young age and that really you know, it throws you a little bit. And then there's others where you're like, all right, you're gonna pick your nose for about 10 years before it all comes together, you'll be eating paste.

Speaker 4 7:01

All right, we we understand.

Speaker 2 7:02

Yeah, it happens. It happens. I don't know why. I mean again, we can theorize all day, but I think too there's something about the way reincarnation works, that's sure.

Speaker 4 7:19

I mean, I think there's a little bit of a mixed bag there. I mean because again you're putting this very powerful spiritual being into this body and you're not sure what's coming out the other end. How much info, how much knowledge are we bringing from that spirit, from that soul?

Speaker 2 7:36

Yeah, yeah, oh, by the way, I'm sorry I apologize, I called you Georgina, georgette, I'm sorry. I looked at my notes again I went oh, oh, whoopsie. I think too, we have to think about. How many times have have we I know I've done it, I think a lot of people have done it where in current life we have said things like I want to come back as a house cat. Oh, god, right, yeah, I want to come back as someone's spoiled lapdog. That if we form a strong enough bond spiritually with a particular animal, that maybe that's what happens, right? We kind of asked for it. We don't know what sort of choice we're given.

Speaker 4 8:38

Or is there some type of?

Speaker 2 8:38

level there to where a soul becomes so big or powerful it has to reside. Yeah, I mean, are you with me? Is there.

Speaker 4 8:41

Is there a capacity to our bodies to hold that spiritual energy?

Speaker 2 8:45

yeah, and I mean there we have long right. Human beings have long held that certain animals I mean right, cats, wolves, dogs bears, lions um Dogs bears lions, birds right.

Speaker 4 9:05

They hold a different spiritual place. These animals often seem to have more of a mindset where it's like that Sense8 show yeah. Where it was more of a collective consciousness.

Speaker 2 9:15

Yeah, there's just something more there and I mean we compare that to things like a prairie dog. Not the same right, you don't? There's not the same association I see, um, I think they're groundhogs.

Speaker 2 9:31

I see them here a lot and they're always over by rivers and things right and especially, you know, we have the Catawba River not far away and I call them brown chubbies because that's what they. They're brown and they're super fat. They're just chubby little and they waddle when they walk and they're so cute and every time I see one I always have the same thought in my head I would love to bring one home to one of my dogs who this is not I'm not being sadistic here. He loves his stuffed animals so much he never destroys them, he never tears them up, he babies them, and I'm like if I brought him one of these brown chubby things, he would be in heaven, he would just think it was the greatest thing he would probably love it to no end.

Speaker 4 10:17

Now me, on the other hand, I'm sitting trapped out in my garden to keep them.

Speaker 2 10:21

Well, but you know, but they're cute, but there's nothing there. I mean, and there's so many animals that I think fall under that. I hate to say it, but a lot of the herding animals, with the exception of horses. You've got a whole lot going on. I mean, I know, you know, the Hindus really revere the cow and I've always kind of gone why I don't understand that. Chickens, yeah, you don't hear a whole lot of that. Now people also say, right, pigs are very intelligent and they're trainable and that's lovely, but same thing, there's not that connection no, yeah, I mean there's.

Speaker 4 11:02

There's not that connection like you see when, where you're interact, when you see humans interacting with primates yeah, that's true I'm sorry, even in primates you can still see that oh absolutely. Oh my god, the eyes, the eyes and the whole yes, and the actual acknowledging of self.

Speaker 2 11:20

The capacity for emotion as well is, I think, one of the things that sets it apart. You know, like, I have a friend who we were just talking about a day before yesterday. She, her and her husband have chickens and they have a turkey. And I went what I'm like, so is it, are you just fattening it up for Thanksgiving? No, no, no, no, no, he's our pet. And I went what? And I said is he affectionate? And she goes you know not really I mean it's a turkey.

Speaker 2 11:50

Right, but I even I feel that way about goats too. I love them. I think goats are hilarious, I think they're just funny, especially the ones that scream and or faint. But any time I've ever been around one, there's not much going on there. It, the drive, is very simplistic right, right, sleep, water, defec, poop, like that's it. It's just very automatic. Yes, they don't seek out much else and it's funny because you know the association with the devil and you know. But I mean, that's just because their eyes are a little creepy. I mean, come on, it's not that big a deal. I see, believe it or not, I see more intelligence in a snake than I do in a goat. That's me. I think reptiles have a little bit more going on, but I don't know. But it does happen. I think that there are people who are new-ish and they're doing their best, and or I really do wonder if it's a choice we make. You know, I think sometimes if you've had a really hard existence, if you've had a very challenging life, you might choose the option.

Speaker 4 13:10

Let me just be a super go lucky. Yeah, I'm taking this round off.

Speaker 2 13:14

Why wouldn't you want to come back? As someone who lives a very simple existence that is relatively predictable and easy, I think that that makes a tremendous amount of sense. I think I mean I would do that, I would take a year off.

Speaker 4 13:34

A year. You know what I mean A lifetime. I'm taking this life off.

Speaker 2 13:38

Yeah, I'm taking it off. I'm just gonna chill here and I'm gonna, you know, get fat and sassy on this catnip and I'm just and when I incarnate.

Speaker 4 13:45

I'm not putting that much effort into it. I'm putting this very just, just the bare minimum. Yeah, I mean I I often wonder this.

Speaker 2 13:54

This to me also equates to certain types of illnesses or birth defects. People with down syndrome fascinate me mainly because they're so intelligent in so many ways, even though they're really seen as sub they are quite intelligent yeah, yeah. And the other piece is they're happy.

Speaker 4 14:20

Oh, no, no, Let me make it worse. Wonderful thing about Down syndrome people you can see it in their face and in their eyes. They never lose that sense of wonder. Kids have the optimism.

Speaker 2 14:31

yes, the wonder, the awe, the optimism.

Speaker 4 14:34

I mean that right.

Speaker 2 14:34

There is enough to be jealous over, yes, the sheer joy of living. Yeah, and I'm like shit man, I would yeah.

Speaker 4 14:42

Yeah, I can understand why I might choose that if, given the opportunity, Just for once, I'd like to go through the world and not have to fix anything or do anything.

Speaker 2 14:56

Or feel the burden, feel the weight or the burden or the desire to have to engage in that way. And you know, obviously as a society we've evolved, we understand that people with Down syndrome, right, they're not broken, there's nothing wrong with them. It just is so sure. Why not? I can kind of, like I said, understand it. I think sure it poses its own challenges at certain points in life. But even you know you, you see interviews with parents of kids with down syndrome and they're, their kids, are legitimately happy. What else does a parent want?

Speaker 4 15:39

I mean come on yeah I mean, I have been raised around this type of people and, and yes, they are generally happy.

Speaker 2 15:47

And that's wild, because the rest of us look like sullen shitbags. Thank you, compared to them, and they're the ones that have something wrong with them.

Speaker 4 15:58

Well, could that actually be the real reason? We don't want to see them?

Speaker 2 16:02

I don't know, is that we're actually more jealous? It's aggravating, yeah, yeah, it's annoying.

Speaker 4 16:09

It's annoying.

Speaker 2 16:11

There's another condition. I cannot remember its name, but literally it's similar but different. It's an inability to process emotions the way you're quote unquote supposed to process them, and it's basically an individual who is perpetually happy, perpetually optimistic Everything is great. The challenge that's posed is, of course, if something really wrong is happening, they have a hard time expressing it or interpreting it for others, because they don't understand it.

Speaker 2 16:44

Yeah, they everything's foreign thing I'm happy, I'm wonderful you're, you're bleeding, I'm okay, I'm okay, yeah, that's, that could, yeah. But to spend a day around someone like that, oh my god, that's a that's, that is a blessing, that is a blessing. And we don't, we don't spend enough time acknowledging that most of us really are just kind of you know, pessimists. I don't necessarily see the, the, the, the person who came back too soon as problematic. I just I do think that in certain spiritual circles they're gonna have a lot of work to do, right.

Speaker 4 17:28

That's where it becomes interesting and and the only problem I see on this is if you're using this as an excuse not to grow and change I can't do this. This is laden here in my psychological no right.

Speaker 2 17:43

There's another side to this, though, and you're very familiar with it because you've experienced it firsthand before, where a priest, priestess of a religion, is going to hold someone back because they feel that they cannot carry out the duties or evolve spiritually in a way that will be helpful. Well, fuck you. Who are you to make that decision? Meet them where they are, not the other way around. Right, we have initiated people in this tradition who in other I say circles loosely, I don't necessarily mean craft, right societal circles they would be seen as incapable right of carrying out the duties and I'm like, wait a second, everybody can do something right.

Speaker 2 18:32

So that's crap right there. But yeah, we have an obligation to meet them where they are not to expect them to always rise to the same level as others, because then we're pitching our people against each other. Yeah, it's not a competition. No, you're going to have different spiritual levels inside of your circle, and some people yeah, they're not quote, unquote old souls, they're not coming to the table with this wealth of deep knowledge.

Speaker 2 19:04

It's something extra the rest of us don't have right, it's not their rituals are not necessarily going to be earth shatteringly what's the word I'm looking for, you know? Deep and meaningful, but they might make you feel good, they might make you laugh, they might right, they might bring a a sense of childlike joy. Yeah, and that's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 19:30

Seriously, when was the last time you got into the forum and played with Legos, I mean and actually played?

Speaker 2 19:35

Yeah, I mean, it's funny too that you say that, because I think about my friend's seven-year-old who basically tasked me with finishing an art project that she had lost interest in, sort of thing, and I realized I was doing homework for a seven-year-old.

Speaker 2 19:53

Like I was. You know, I was doing a chore that she didn't want and I was like this isn't play, I don't like this. I'm like this isn't fun, I want to play. So I had to divert her attention and I literally ended up going teach me something. And she went huh. And I said, libby, teach me something, show me. And she went okay, and she taught me how to make a bracelet. It was these rubber band things, and that was fulfilling. But yeah, I mean, you're right, just being playful, being silly, being unencumbered, most of us don't get enough of that. So you know, hug your newling, your yearling whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 2 20:38

It's great. These are also often the people that find a lot of peace, yes, in things that are very basic and damned if that's not right. The place we should be striving for in a lot of ways makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 4 20:56

So anything to add people teaching the joy of watching grass to grow.

Speaker 2 21:02

Yeah, paint the fence right right, yeah, I mean, it really is finding meaning joy in, potentially, things that are repetitive and that, yeah, we again we have that tendency as an advanced society to go oh, that's beneath me, no, it's not. No, it's not no, nothing, nothing is beneath you.

Speaker 2 21:28

That's a ridiculous idea and I think the minute we lose sight of that, especially in craft, we have sort of crossed the line there yeah, it's a funny thing about you know traditional craft, because we hear so much about this idea of neophytes and first degrees right Putting in a lot of the grunt work and helping out more and being very active hands on right Helping to clean their temple space, setting up. You know things chores basically, and you go, yeah, but those chores simply evolve into more complex things as your spiritual path grows. But I have yet to see the one time I did see it I was actually shocked is when you see someone who gets to a place where they go well, that's below me, that's a first degrees job or a neophyte's job and I'm like whoa, uh-uh, nope, there's no such thing.

Speaker 2 22:29

No, and that's it's something we always have to be aware of, because any task, anything that you're asking any member of your group to do, you should be willing to do yourself Exactly. Yeah, usually, the reason you're asking them to do it is because you're at an age where it's physically difficult.

Speaker 4 22:49

Right.

Speaker 2 22:49

Yeah, hence the elders. But you know it's not about again, it's not about servitude, it's not what it is, but it is about dedication to all of what it takes to run a spiritual group. Ain't easy.

Speaker 4 23:08

Nope.

Speaker 2 23:08

And sometimes you need those people that come in as a ray of sunshine.

Speaker 4 23:12

Yes.

Speaker 2 23:13

And, let's be honest, they don't accomplish a whole lot, but they make everyone else a little less grumpy.

Speaker 4 23:20

Yeah, I think that that's okay, and when you're sitting and trust, okay. And when you're sitting and trust me, when you're sitting there setting up because you got two or three elders from different temples coming in to witness something you're like. I know I need every little bit I can get absolutely, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 23:40

Oh so, thank you. Thank you for the question um. I hope we answered it. I hope so, or at least explored it for you a bit. Guys, we love the questions. Please send them.

Speaker 4 23:50

More.

Speaker 2 23:53

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Speaker 4 24:24

Let's go get some coffee.

Speaker 2 24:24

Go back to manifesting with my coffee.

Speaker 1 24:30

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Speaker 3 24:57

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