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The Art of Reboot-Quills
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Richard and Karl explore the emerging phenomenon of "reboot-quills" - sequels that remake the original story with new characters. They discuss how these productions allow studios to secure funding by pitching familiar IPs while attempting to capture new audiences.
• Richard shares updates about attending a student gala and his transition between academic programs
• Karl discusses watching "The Bondsman" starring Kevin Bacon, prompting a conversation about media recycling
• The hosts coin the term "reboot-quill" to describe sequels that essentially remake the original story
• They analyze successful examples like Top Gun: Maverick and Tron Legacy alongside failures like Matrix 4
• The financial motivations behind reboot-quills are examined, highlighting how studios secure investor funding
• Various franchises across movies, TV shows, and anime are analyzed for their reboot-quill approaches
• The episode concludes with random questions about outsourcing experiences and renaming Earth
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Hello galactic travelers. Slash monster hunters, space Rathalos Jedi. I don't know. Picture Darth Vader as a Rathalos. Anyway, I'm Richard.
Speaker 2:And I am Carl, the co-host of this currently unnamed podcast, because who knows what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:I mean I did have to like have someone look up our podcast today because it came up in Natural Conversation and Deep Space and Dragons is pretty solid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean, that's the actual title. In case anyone was confused over 100 episodes in about what the title of our podcast is it could be.
Speaker 1:People are fascinating for their ability to not pick up on things.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:People are fascinating, Never underestimate human anti-ingenuity Right right, like never underestimate human anti-ingenuity.
Speaker 2:So this is normally where I ask what's new with you, but I want you to ask what's new with me first this time. Ooh, spicy, mixing it up, All right. All right. What's new in the Richard verse?
Speaker 1:Nice, you even did the verse. I'm so proud of you. So, having wrapped up my semester for whatever audience is listening to this I've stumbled my way into having a bunch of things to do this week. So, to those uninitiated, I'm basically in a break between my bachelor's degree and my master's program, and one of my good friends was saying you should come to this gala because it happens every year and it's our last year and we're graduating and I said I'm cheap, so right I now have a ticket.
Speaker 1:So now that I've been given a ticket, I must go to this gala, because the problem view that I'm cheap defense is if someone then gives you a ticket, you can't really. It's game over. I've been trapped, you've been trapped.
Speaker 2:You've been trapped.
Speaker 1:Although, to be fair, it's kind of like an ultimate hustle because I want to wear a suit and go to a gala. That is more my scene than going to a club or a bar. To be honest, I'm more likely to succeed at waltzing than I am at. I can't even think of a contemporary dance. I was about to say Gangnam Style.
Speaker 2:That shows how unqualified I am for this. So wait, are you going to wear your green Riddler suit?
Speaker 1:I am considering it because it's Easter.
Speaker 2:And this gala is Thursday night. Yeah, alright, I think I could right.
Speaker 1:Like I think if I go like green suit, purple undershirt, like I could get away with it, yeah With, like I could get away with it. Yeah, like a pastel tie, but I might just wear a suit suit because it's a gala, but I think I'm going to go green vest either way. So like there's a little bit of that there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but so like what? Even? What even is a gala?
Speaker 1:So a gala can mean many things In this context for the student union. Put redacted College, putting on this scala it's you pay your 50 bucks, you sit down and have a nice meal, there's an open bar and you dance and chat and it's not overly loud, so it's more like a classy dancing situation. Picture a wedding. Actually it's a wedding, but no one's getting married.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I mean, I guess that does seem up your alley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's like oh, I can sit at a table and make small talk with my classmates while sipping. And then my friend brought up a really good point this gal is $50 with an open bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Current prices. How much would it cost if I went out and had a couple drinks?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean the meal plus two drinks. You've already made your 50 bucks back.
Speaker 1:Right. So it's efficient to go, but it's one of those things where it's like the Stray Cat I am. I needed to be specifically invited. I fully intend to pay them back for the ticket.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But it was the concept that's like I will buy you a ticket to come to this thing and then you could pay me back someday. Then like, oh, you genuinely want me there enough that you would wait till the fall when I get paid to pay me back for this ticket. Therefore, I feel justified to come to this thing and will in fact reimburse you for your ticket after the fact, because for me it's the ego boost so so, gala aside, you said the master's you're going into is a fairly small program.
Speaker 2:Are there any other students that are in your current program that applied for and got into the master's, or do you know?
Speaker 1:So what's interesting is in my relatively small program and this made into the school newsletter of 60 students, about 15 made it into various master's programs. Okay, that's pretty good, none are going into mine, but a good friend of mine is going to a very similar program at a different university, To the point where technically in our co-op semesters it might be possible to do a cross-university project if we wanted to.
Speaker 2:To work together on our final project, Okay project if we wanted to, to work together on our final project.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's entirely possible that me and my friend then make a science fiction magazine together between our two colleges to have a larger pool of resources and submissions. That makes sense. No one that I'm aware of is going direct. I know of one person who's going to my school but is going going to a different program because the one I'm going to offered communications, languages of modernity, sorry literature of modernity and professional communications. I picked one and then one of my friends is going into a different one.
Speaker 2:Makes sense.
Speaker 1:So screenwriting is the one I didn't end up doing, even though I considered it, because it was like they had a section for game screenwriting. But screenwriting isn't my forte. It's one of those things I'm sure I could do and happily take a paid job doing.
Speaker 2:Wait, is there a master's of screenwriting that you'd be able to go into?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's three master's programs I was talking about specifically.
Speaker 2:Master's of screenwriting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, master's basically just means I'm good enough to teach people with bachelors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So if you have a master of screenwriting it means you can train screenwriters, where if you have a bachelor of screenwriters it means you can screenwrite, kind of sort of.
Speaker 2:Wait, can you get a doctorate in screenwriting?
Speaker 1:Probably. I haven't had any experience so far. No, I know you could get a doctorate in communications and you could get this interesting hybrid doctorate of, like a literature communication hybrid doctorate. I'm staring at. We'll see how much school I feel like doing after this one Right right, Because the odds that I stake in school until I have a doctorate and see if the world's still standing afterward or not Zero.
Speaker 2:Even in the apocalypse, you'll be able to call yourself a doctor. Someone will be having a medical emergency and they'll be like, is there a doctor in here? And you'll be like, yeah, I'm a doctor.
Speaker 1:Technically, sure, pretty much. That is a great endgame. There is a certain irony that if I, of all people, had a doctorate, to you personally it'd be the funniest thing imaginable.
Speaker 2:It would be pretty funny.
Speaker 1:So because I have my little four-month stint between programs, I'm signing up for as many things to do as possible. So next weekend I go to the indie author convention because I got like funding to go attend this convention of independent authors.
Speaker 2:Of which you happen to be one. So that's right. So a nice segue to plug your books.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, but no, like I'll do it after the conference, because one of the lectures is literally how to plug your books better.
Speaker 2:OK, I mean, I guess that's fair. I don't want to plug your books on our podcast in a mediocre way I mean I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 1:Yo, if you're 112 episodes in, buy the video of sorcery and waltz of blades. We have entertained you greater than the length of, I think, all of gundam, like all of them. Right, because we do like hour-long pod. That's 100 hours of content. You can buy a book. Come on cheapskates you're gonna book.
Speaker 2:Come on cheapskates. You're going to learn not to call people cheapskates when you go to the convention.
Speaker 1:No, that's probably going to be the exact tactic because you make chicken noises until they buy your book Like as much shade as my classmates throw at me for being like Mr Self-Promo in my first year it worked Like a friend of mine was like well like how do you ice break?
Speaker 1:I'm like you walk up you say you hand them a business card and say want to hear about my book, because they'll hate you but they'll remember you till the day that you die. So yeah, I'm heading to that for, like, some various lessons and conferences and things. So hopefully, if I play summer right, I'll be able to survive on writing commissions for the summer.
Speaker 2:That'd be pretty good.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'd be so happy I mean I say survive loosely If I end up as a writer and end up making sub-minimum wage. But I did it writing. I'll probably still be pretty happy about the outcome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be impressive.
Speaker 1:So that's what's new with me is transitioning between life phases, signing up for classes, being forced to go to a gala. I got through the door like five minutes ago because it was my last class of the semester, so we went to the Friend Zone Club.
Speaker 2:The Friend Zone Club.
Speaker 1:So it's supposed to be like an icebreaker cross-program get to know each other, sing some karaoke, play some board games, mixer type club. Okay, that is terribly named.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is a terrible name.
Speaker 1:Like me and my friend enjoy poking fun at it, but we determined the best use of your calling something the friend zone is it should be a lesbian only podcast.
Speaker 1:I said there's like enough levels to irony to that to make it not a cringy statement that's pretty funny because it's like yeah, no, like anyone who's ever said the phrase the friend zone is a bad person or an uneducated person, and I hope most of them are uneducated so I can then educate them that the friend zone doesn't exist. Buddy, there's no amount of hitting the gym and power thirst that'll undo this, because it's not a real thing. But good try.
Speaker 2:Power thirst.
Speaker 1:I stand by the power thirst callback. So, all in all, I'm in a pretty high spirits right now, despite the fact that I could be spending the next week doing nothing, but now I have to go do things right direct tour between the introvert. I actually am in the extrovert.
Speaker 2:I pretend to be on tv you can only pretend for so long before it becomes true no, firmly disagree.
Speaker 1:Looking at the state of world politics, I firmly disagree that if you believe in something long enough, it becomes true. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. If a person pretends to be something for long enough, eventually it becomes true.
Speaker 1:No, like we got someone pretending to be a king right now Deporting their citizens, and we cannot let them pretend he's king Until it becomes true.
Speaker 2:That would be bad, it would be bad, it would be bad, but I'm saying it could happen.
Speaker 1:I think it did happen, though I think that's why I'm fighting so hard back against this is I'm pretty sure he did just pretend to be a king long enough until he gained the power to somehow ignore the entire Supreme Court. Hypothetically, if we were talking about such a real-world figure, guess who we're talking about? Geared zombie. Who are we talking about? Such a real-world figure?
Speaker 2:Guess who we're talking about Girid Zabi or a current American politician?
Speaker 1:It's tough to say oh man, I swear, real world's more ridiculous than fiction. Eisen's got nothing on some of these politicians.
Speaker 2:Well, Eisen had no political ambition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Eisen's hypnosis was less effective than some news organizations at convincing people of things that are just blatantly untrue, Like I don't even think Aizen's kogetsu sigetsu could convince somebody that repeated market crashes while people were doing mass insider trading was good for the price of their groceries.
Speaker 2:Well, anyway. Also this is a parody podcast. Don't sue.
Speaker 1:Don't sue us, please do not sue us, do, do I should actually record a pre-reel, like the technologies there that we could do a we're a comedy, don't sue us.
Speaker 2:Disclaimer and auto put it retroactively on every episode I mean we, we definitely, maybe we should at this point. I mean, we try to avoid politics, but eventually it'll come up in some way or another.
Speaker 1:It's so hard to avoid politics as a writer, so like right now, one politician wants to defund the CBC Canadian Broadcasting Company and replace it with nothing, which will result in foreign media, predatory algorithms, meta and darkness filling more news stories. The other side's like no. Public broadcasting is good because it keeps our Canadian culture alive. As a writer, my side is spoken for.
Speaker 1:I can't vote against the person who wants Canadian literature to succeed versus the one that wants to slash it completely. Because CBC does a lot of book publishing, book promotion, radio promotion and probably employs some of the most creatives in Canada of any business. And the arts need funding from the Canadian government or they die and we don't have arts. And if we don't have arts we get culturally indoctrinated and then we get aforementioned people talking themselves into being literal god kings.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:Coming out saying my physical says I'll live till I'm a million, despite being visibly fat, so it's so hard. I personally try to keep my social medias and things anti-political. One party's gonna fund me, the other one's not gonna. I think I have a vested interest and there's not a whole lot I can do to stay impartisan on that one that is fair like.
Speaker 1:imagine if you're in my situation where one party will give a tax cut to small business owners at pizzerias and the other one's going to defund pizzerias, ban them and deport you for working at one. Who are you voting for? Because?
Speaker 2:they say that pizzerias quote encourage people to be corrupt. That would make my vote clear.
Speaker 1:Pretty easy. Right, they made it easy for me, but I digress, that's enough about me for now, I suppose what's new with you?
Speaker 2:Oh, uh have you heard of the show the Bondsman with Kevin Bacon?
Speaker 1:I've heard of Kevin Bacon. I heard he was one of the Avengers.
Speaker 2:He did get kidnapped by the Guardians of the Galaxy for the Christmas special.
Speaker 1:Marvel deep cuts aside. Rest in peace.
Speaker 2:Marvel Universe, it ended in a game my fiance. She, is a big fan of Kevin Bacon and his work.
Speaker 1:Honestly Based.
Speaker 2:So we saw the show the Bondsman. I believe it's on Prime TV. I don't know. We have so many streaming services. I never know what's on what.
Speaker 1:I don't really want to make a Canadian streaming service. That's just Canada TV, that's just Canadian content, that's clearly labeled.
Speaker 2:That would be pretty excellent.
Speaker 1:We could sell people house hippos again. I would absolutely put those history moments on the streaming service instead of commercials. It would be great.
Speaker 2:So we decided to watch the first episode. We ended up watching the whole series.
Speaker 1:That's usually a good sign or a really bad sign?
Speaker 2:It was good. After watching the first episode, I found myself thinking that it was like more gory and violent Supernatural.
Speaker 1:Oh good, because Supernatural was weirdly PG-13 for what they were trying to do. It really was. It's the cw effect. Like the cw will be like. Well, we'll have people die in graphic gun violence. But, oh man, does everyone sleep wearing a sheet around their body in full clothing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but so I mean, the basic premise of the show is that this bondsman, bailiff bondsman, he dies, goes to hell and then gets brought back as a demon bounty hunter.
Speaker 1:You know what? I think we should do something new for our podcast going forward, I think we'll go what's New With Us and the Can't Be Show Reviews, but then we're going to go New Show of the Week and then go into our proper podcast.
Speaker 2:So that way we each say what's new with us and then give like a new show and then go into our normal topic. Well see, I really enjoyed the show. Just a quick recap. I would recommend watching it. It was a fun watch.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about it. I'm saying we need to acknowledge this in our runtime. So these chapter markers are accurate.
Speaker 2:But, as I said, I likened it to Supernatural, which is somewhat untrue, but it got me thinking about I don't know I can't cite where I heard this, but it kind of seems to be anecdotal. It seems to be anecdotally true that markets for cinema don't want something new. We want reboots, we want sequels, we want spin-offs. What's just the?
Speaker 1:safer financial investment to pitch to your backers has never been about us. It's a movie studio can get their funding easier if they know they have a certain guaranteed audience. That's it. That's all it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. I just I'm wondering, because it almost seems like it's some sort of like Stockholm Syndrome, where the mainstream media, a lot of the mainstream audiences, have come to believe that that is what's good for us is, are these reboots and remakes?
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to give my hot take and stop you on that one. So here's what's actually happening with these reboots and remakes?
Speaker 2:And I would bet hypothetical money on it.
Speaker 1:I have a bachelor's degree now I know things. So here's what I think is happening and I'm going to put this in the disclaimer. This is just my theory. When you go to make a movie, no one ever uses their own money for anything anymore. Like you know that billionaires just borrow money based on their assets and then borrow money to pay off the money in an infinite circle, so they don't pay taxes, right? So to pay out the money in an infinite circle, so they don't pay taxes, right? So no one owns anything and no one buys anything. When you go to make a movie, these days you don't pay to get your movie made. You pay investors to invest in your movie. If you have an existing IP, you can show those investors numbers and projections, right?
Speaker 1:So if you say okay, iron man 3 gave this much money, let's do iron man 4 or iron spider, and we can assume iron spider would fall somewhere between iron man 4 and iron man 1. Now it doesn't actually matter. The movie does that good. What matters is that the investors will give them the money to make this movie so they don't have to use their own money to make this movie. Which is why we're in this basically proto-ai slop of regurgitating concepts is you can pitch an existing concept. Even when pitching new novels you're recommended to go x proper property, xx property, as your pitch. Like. My new novel is Ghost in the Shell meets I don't know the Canterbury Tales. I think that's the actual one I used in class. My upcoming novel is Ghost in the Shell meets the Canterbury Tales. So that way the people have like an idea of what you're doing. But the studios are too lazy to blend two ideas and they just say I'm doing Spider-Man in space.
Speaker 2:Okay. So yeah, even like going back, say 35 years did good, old 1990 when Jurassic Park was published. Jurassic Park, the movie came out in 1993, a great box office success. But it's there's like a ton of of movies that are are still just pitches for the books, like even before this studio influence that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, it's so much easier to make two things. First, there's still always been investors Like. You can't go back far enough that you don't try to get investors Before we had as long of a catalog of movies. What do you base your movie on that you already know is successful? Fair enough than they make on the actual book sales.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people will deliberately write books to be optioned as movies, because they'll pay you for the rights to it and never make the movie, but they might want to someday. And if you're making a $20 million movie, giving some dude $220,000 for their thing is a small cost of the movie.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 2:$20 million would be an extremely cheap movie by modern standards oh yeah, but if it's my book but so I mean, um, as it turns out, I've been thinking about a lot of, like, my favorite movies. Um, so it's like the princess bride was based on a book. I've read the book. I like to read the book versions of movies. Uh, but the bride, the, the secret of nym, that was a great movie, I like. I read the book too. Um, shawshank redemption yeah, oh man, I didn't realize. Apparently that's based on a stephen king book. Uh, so now I haven't haven't been able to find it. It's probably not that hard if I actually really want it, probably not, but I mean medic can find it to find it.
Speaker 2:It's probably not that hard if I actually really want it?
Speaker 1:Probably not. I mean Meta can find it and scrape it for their AI so you should be able to find it legitimately.
Speaker 2:But the main reason they actually brought up Jurassic Park is because that is an incredible. The first movie was incredible, the second movie was alright, the third movie didn't really need to exist, and then Jurassic World as a whole. They're coming out with the fourth one. I didn't realize. The third one did well enough To even support the idea of being in the fourth one For Jurassic World, but apparently, but I'm actually I'm curious where it all started. So I was trying to find this, a copy of Jurassic Park the book. Yeah, we went to the used bookstore and they didn't have any copies there. It was too bad.
Speaker 1:Still proud of you for going to the used bookstore in general.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean tangent. Well, I mean tangent. I bought that one book at the used bookstore called A Magical Girl Retires. Yeah, that book was absolutely fascinating. I thought you were about to say changed my life, and then you did no, it didn't change my life, Are you sure? No, I'm not going to like go out and try and cause or fight climate change by using the power of time, Are you sure?
Speaker 1:If you had the ability to do so, don't even be. Don't have me with this nonsense I call bullshit. You'd absolutely go do this.
Speaker 2:Just be careful, because magical girl powers awaken through tragedy, yeah, but your life's been pretty chill.
Speaker 1:So like your tragedy would be like you open a muffin and then it falls on the floor.
Speaker 2:And then I become the magical quote-unquote girl of time I was going to say gravity. Because I wanted to turn back time.
Speaker 1:Right where, like my life, it's a problem I have to be traumatized. Like like different people require different amounts of traumatized. Like one of my good friends puts my trauma to shame and I'm like, oh, your aunt just ran into the jungle. It never returned. Huh, oh, I don't want to know what it did take to traumatize you. Oh, anyways, to traumatize you Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Unfortunately they did have a random South Korean translated novel, but they did not have Michael Creighton's Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1:I think you won in that exchange. One of those sounds far more interesting.
Speaker 2:Well, but so then we went to Indigo, a Canadian bookstore. Do I have beef with?
Speaker 1:Indigo. I don't think I can have beef with Indigo.
Speaker 2:Anyway. No, you don't have to, they're Canadian.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but what have they done for me recently? They ate Barnes Noble who stock my book. Hmm, what have they done for me recently? Like they ain't Barnes Noble who stock my book, although, to be fair, after I go see the seminar, they might tell me how to get into Indigo. Yeah, I'm not going to pick a fight with Indigo. That seems stupid. That seems very unfortunate.
Speaker 2:Yeah who knows, maybe one day they will sponsor our podcast and then we'll actually be some sort of writing podcast Also there's like very decent chance I do a book signing at Indigo.
Speaker 1:Like why would I pick a fight with Indigo? That's just foolish. I do have beef historically with chapters, but that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 2:Hmm. Anyways, it turns out that Indigo does have new copies of well, quote-unquote, new copies of Jurassic Park. I say new copy because they've never been read, but I picked it up it was only $15. It's pretty cheap and actually, if I am so inclined, I feel like I could get most of that back in credit at the used bookstore and then just buy more used books and pay it forward, you know.
Speaker 1:I support this life hack. This is such a good infinite money glitch because it's actually just infinite text glitch.
Speaker 2:Right. But I grab the book, I pay for it and then I look at the cover and it says it's the 25th anniversary edition.
Speaker 1:That would have been like 2015,.
Speaker 2:Maybe, yeah, yeah, like I said, said the book came out in 1990, so the 25th anniversary oh, 2005 would have been 2015. I have a bachelor's degree so that makes me wonder. And actually, what's new with me ends with a question for you there, richard spicy. Um, was this book just sitting on the shelf at chapter or indigo for 10 years? Like what do they do? What do bookstores even do with the overstock of things like that? Where?
Speaker 1:it's like, this is like a full class, but oh man, I don't know. This will be hard to give you a succinct answer because there's some variables. But in essence how it works out is and one of my professors got a negative invoice on one of their book sales because of this Because bookstores order copies of books right. And then after a certain period that's in the contract for that book expires, they get sent back to the publisher Then the publisher can either pulp them or try and purge them on a discount.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:So in the case of this Jurassic Park book, what probably happened is it actually probably has been sitting on the shelf the entire time, because if it wasn't selling, they would have shipped their shipment of them back to the warehouse and if they had the storage, they would have shipped their shipment of them back to the warehouse and if they had the storage, they would have kept them stored. But if they're a small publisher, they would have popped them down into fresh paper.
Speaker 1:I see there's probably just a massive warehouse for when they release this book with a probably Jurassic Park movie, that just has infinite editions of this book and when they run out, they just order from that stock of them.
Speaker 2:I kind of thought that this Jurassic Park book was supposed to be in line with. Like I said, I saw a trailer for a new Jurassic World movie Jurassic World.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, it's a complicated question. I'm not sure I did the answer justice Because there's a lot of factors, like for someone like me, for example, because of how my books are ordered there is no like printer to get shipped back to. So I can't get charged overage. But it's entirely possible for like people to Chapters which I had beef with earlier, for the thing they did in the late 90s, early 2000s is they'd order tons of books to fill up their shelves and then after the period expired, return them all because they were ordering more books and they knew they would sell to make their shelves look more full, to look like a bigger store.
Speaker 1:And then these publishers would take massive losses Because chapters opened a distribution center, also named Chapters, so they could get distributor prices to then distribute them to their own bookstore. So it's basically they made a warehouse, bought at warehouse prices to sell to themselves, knowing it wouldn't sell, to then send back to their warehouse, to send back to the publishers to eat up the damage.
Speaker 2:I see that does seem a little bit seedy and I haven't.
Speaker 1:I think I might be paraphrasing this because, like I said, it's weirdly complex and, despite this being like a degree in publishing, I'd have to look into the specific story of this book and the specific story of this to give you the correct answer because it's a surprisingly complex process but yeah, basically what's new with me is that I've been on a tirade of uh reading books that have movie adaptations, and my sites are set on jurassic park, now nice but yeah.
Speaker 1:So, man, I really feel like I didn't answer that question justice, but it's true that for something like if a smaller press like Redacted Press that one of my professors works at, sent out like 50 books to Indigo, a time period would expire where they want to pull those off the shelf and put something else on because they're not selling. And it's in the contract of what that period of time is for them to send that book back so they can then stock 30 copies of Twilight in its spot. And then the publisher if they're too small and don't have the storage to hold all of their books ever will then try and flash sale them and sell them and if they still remain to not eat up the storage cut, they'll either cut the covers off the book and send them to super bulk stores or literally pulp them back into fresh paper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah that's just your book. Lesson Did that answer your question.
Speaker 2:That answered it adequately. I mean, yeah, like you say, the specifics of this 35-year-old book that's probably been on the shelf for 10 years, we don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying, saying because it probably hasn't been.
Speaker 1:What happens is they would have looked at literally their inventory system and be like we're low on Jurassic Parks because it's an evergreen title and they just order more Jurassic Parks and the version of Jurassic Park they get is whatever version they happen to have from that distributor.
Speaker 2:Because they do have the storage space. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:And then you get some of these sketchy things like Lord of the Rings being like we have the Rings of Power edition, so if you order those, we'll send you these ones that promo our new movie. And then booksellers will be like no, I don't want that version. They're like too bad, the older version costs more Because we got paid to sell this version.
Speaker 1:Jeez oh yeah, got paid to tell this version, jeez, oh yeah, it's an interesting industry, to say the least. So on to our topic. Half an hour in, now that we've talked about the Bondsman and you never told me if that was based on a book Like the tangent, didn't really go anywhere other than it's a cool book.
Speaker 2:A cool show. Well, I mean, that tangent was more so just about like the general state of movies, I guess, and movies and television where we just seem to be eating up this regurgitated, remade content.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to the point where.
Speaker 2:I'm guilty of that.
Speaker 1:So they released a new Gundam series on Prime last week.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It's Gundam G-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-E-X. There's a bunch of U's in it, gundam.
Speaker 2:Quicks.
Speaker 1:And the premise is that it's an alternate retelling of the One Year War. Not really, zeon won the One Year War and that's where this series starts. So the premise is Char successfully stole the Gundam, so the One Year War is different and we're following this alternate timeline. On one hand, that falls guilty to your criticism of it's a remake, but it's also not a remake because all the characters in this are new, because it's not in that timeline other than, like maybe Char we don't actually know if he's in the Gundam and a couple obscure Zeon side characters that I recognize and no sane person should.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it's like, on one hand, it's not really a remake and on the other hand, if anything deserves a remake, it's 1960s Mobile Suit Gundam, because I've tried to watch that trilogy and it does not hold up Because of graphics alone, like just production quality.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like Just an interesting thing to me that it's Even when I saw something new, I immediately compared it To something old Namely supernatural, and then, actually watching the Bonds menu, it's like that's not actually A fair comparison at all.
Speaker 1:Well, here's where it gets interesting. It's mnemonic evolution, right? Like we throw a lot of shade at show and jump for this because you can, because we've been old enough to watch show and jump in our lifetime, it's really easy to see what shows are ripping off, what shows supernatural is just jonah hex yeah, okay and dc's.
Speaker 1:Jonah hex is probably the closest thing to the bondsman of undead cowboy hiding monsters in the wild west. And supernatural is like. Supernatural is a monster hunting western set with 90s tropes, or well, I guess more like 80s tropes right but it's a western, by the way. Like they wander into town, kill the monster right right off on their horse, which is a chevy impala right so I'm not surprised your brain instantly went there.
Speaker 1:But that's just how your brain sorts information too right, like I could be like freeruns, like lord of the rings, about autistic elves, it's like no, it's not. Not every fantasy is lord of the rings. In fact, most fantasies aren't lord of the Rings at all.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:If anything, free Run would be Dragon Quest with elves or like straight up D&D. Like a good homebrew D&D location is probably closer to where Free Run takes place than Lord of the Rings is, since there's mimic chests and book tomes. Yeah, all right. So what do we want?
Speaker 2:to talk about. There's mimic chests and book tomes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So what do we want to talk about? We didn't really discuss this. We're down to two topics you feeling show and jump roundup. You feeling weird superpower matchups Because I'm not as prepared as I should be for weird superpower matchups or do you have an interesting third topic? Do you want to just keep talking about book pulping and reboots that aren't really reboots of things?
Speaker 2:well, I mean in that vein. It's like, since I'm in the brain space of Jurassic Park, it's like Jurassic World was almost a shot forshot remake of Jurassic Park, but it was also a continuation, for, like the Star Wars, the Force Awakens was almost a shot-for-shot remake.
Speaker 1:I was just making that verbatim.
Speaker 2:Yeah, almost a shot-for-shot remake of A New Hope, but it was still like a continuation sequel and I was like I don't know how many more examples there are of that, but that's still like a continuation sequel and I was like I don't I don't know how many more examples there are of that, but that's kind of a weird trend where it's like a reboot sequel so like the reboot quill yeah, I'm gonna call it a reboot quill.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of funny, is it's like? When we're talking adaptations, there's like the terrible ghost in the shell reboot, which wasn't a reboot, well, it was just ghost in the shell, but we whitewashed it and made a live action. But reboot quills are interesting, the idea where it's a sequel, but you're also redoing the story. So the sequence of the seven deadly sins anime is an interesting one, because they basically are like.
Speaker 1:So they made a sequel anime to seven deadly sins, called four nights of the apocalypse okay and the main character follows percival has nothing to do with the main cast, but it basically boils down to every one of the Seven Deadly Sins kids teaming up to form their squad to fight King Arthur, who's the evil emperor. And then you realize that the premise of Seven Deadly Sins, of oh, I need to find this elite troop of knights to save the kingdom it's like they kind of rebooted it while making it a sequel.
Speaker 1:So I wouldn't hesitate to call that a reboot brute quill, because yeah this episode's on reboot quills now, because this is going to be a fun thought experiment. Games are also interesting for this, so I recently binged the devil may cry anime. Okay, the devil may cry anime is awesome. There is a scene and I'm gonna have to use up my f-bomb here where the game, where the show knows it's Doofy.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it knows it's trying to be edgy, which is why it has Linkin Park sing the OMV when it opens. There's a scene where Dante drives this motorcycle off the back of a ramp truck right.
Speaker 1:Does a flip, grabs the handlebars midair, the enemy says that's so fucking cool and then gets hit by the motorcycle. Okay, and it's like for the Reboot Quill idea which could have went into our earlier adaptations idea. But in this one it's like okay, they want to take characters' concepts and locations for Devil May Cry, but they want to make it fresh. So it's like there's a scene in the original Devil May Cry where he shoots a pool ball to hit a bunch of pool balls in there to hit a bunch of enemies. They do that scene in this Devil May Cry.
Speaker 1:But this Devil May Cry isn't attached to the old one in any way and it wasn't like they retold the story of Devil May Cry 1. They retold a story with different characters that fits the themes and the basic setting of Devil May Cry. So it was more like proper adaptation. But reboot quills are interesting because it's when you do that while keeping your previous show intact. Somehow, like Boruto wanted to be a reboot quill so bad it did it desperately wanted to do that Yashihime the Inuasha one did a reboot quill where it was like they had.
Speaker 1:Shishomaru's kid Desperately wanted to do that Yashihime the Inuasha one did a reboot quill when it was like they had. Shishomaru's kid fall through the well to meet the demons, to collect the MacGuffin shards, so like it was like a sequel, but like they literally, magically sealed away all the characters that would be strong enough to just solve the problem. So they just had to had to go on their adventure. It wasn't as good, but I think it would fall in reboot-quill territory. I was actually really disappointed in Yashihime for a dumb reason.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So Inuasha had slow pacing and was shockingly violent. Right, the sequel show had fast pacing where every episode was one, being like one episode. It was one episode thing happened instead of Iwasha's two episode things happened. But the slower pace is good for building anxiety and horror in a way.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying.
Speaker 1:Iwasha was a horror series but I'm saying giving the mad switching doctor a couple episodes to breathe kind of made things unravel at a pace. So Yashihime is running through the show but also it just doesn't have blood in. It just doesn't at all, like no one ever bleeds or gets injured and I'm like, alright, inuwash wasn't the edgiest show in the world, but you're a direct sequel.
Speaker 1:You should be as violent as the original yeah so it's like his attack, where he like, cut himself and threw blood blades, was just like lazy particle effects. I'm like why do you look worse? Inuyasha wasn't a high bar, the bar for quality that was. Inuyasha was on the floor. Why is this lower quality?
Speaker 2:So does Rurouni Kenshin or any of those. It's been redone a few times, hasn't it? Are any of those reboot quills, or are those all just reboots?
Speaker 1:If we're going reboot quill, you know that last chapter where Yasha's hero runs out and is like the new Kenshin and doesn't want to draw a sword and catches someone's sword in their hand.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That felt like it was heading in that direction. But you know what's a reboot quill the heading in that direction. But you know what's a reboot quill the fourth Matrix movie? That's a perfect example of this trope.
Speaker 2:A perfect example of how most often the reboot quills aren't actually as good as the original.
Speaker 1:That's Because it's like people don't want to watch a shot-by-shot remake, so making a sequel canon but hit the same. Plot beats like. I see the strategy but also they forgot to have, like Keanu, do any cool martial arts.
Speaker 2:He, like force pushed people, for the most part on the back of a motorcycle well, I mean that might also have been due to scheduling conflicts, because he was like so busy doing martial arts and stuff for John Wick at the time also, there's no reason to release a Matrix movie while John Wick's still going.
Speaker 1:That's just a mistake.
Speaker 2:I agree. And then it's like I can tell you the basic premise of all three Jurassic Park movies, and they all kind of follow the same themes about genetic manipulation and whether or not they're trying to profit off of it. By Every time they go to the island someone's trying to steal data, genetic information, to be able to profit off of these dinosaurs. But so then the reboot quill. It was like okay, it was Jurassic Park 1. Jurassic World 2, I don't even remember what that one was about. I'm pretty sure it was like a shot-for-shot remake of Jurassic Park 2, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I actually just thought of a good reboot quill, though.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Tron Legacy. Ooh Because Tron Legacy? Ooh, because Tron Legacy was a direct sequel to Tron.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Tron 1982's Tron was not a good movie. It was an interesting movie. Tron Legacy in 3D in IMAX with moving chairs in 3D, while slightly toasted, was a fantastic movie. But it's like it was new characters, new visual style, new everything. But also they had to like beat for beat, explain. This is Tron. You're in the computer, here's the circuits, here's the hover cycles. But also the character Tron was a character in Tron Legacy. So I'm going to say Tron Legacy was a good reboot quill, because I think one of the hallmarks of a reboot quill is you get bonus rewards. A good one. If you watch the original, you get bonus rewards, but you don't have to because, like Star Wars, force Awakens, you don't have to watch any other Star Wars movies for that to work. Like another good example would be X-Men, days of Future Past.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that one was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1:Because it was like an x-men origins movie, while being in the past and also the future um, yeah, that one was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:I think the best example of a good reboot goal, though, uh, is Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, that was a good one, mmm tasty, that one was so much better than the original movie.
Speaker 2:It was even based on Tron Legacy, I guess, falls in that same category. But oh man, top Gun Maverick was so good.
Speaker 1:Like Tron Legacy. I still stand by Tron Legacy. I'm telling you, go buy some legal edibles and watch Tron Legacy at 2 in the morning with friends. It is a good time. But these prequels are probably why I have to give like 8 qualifiers. You know what's terrible for being? I just blanked on our word for this Reboot Quill. But not a terrible movie was Jumanji. Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:So, being a video game with the Rock body swapping, it had nothing to do with Jumanji.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It just wasn't a good Jumanji sequel. It was just a different kind of doofy movie.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:So I didn't hate Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle but I don't think it worked well.
Speaker 2:Right, it actually had no business being a Jumanji movie.
Speaker 1:Kind of like no blatant reboot Quill. Ghostbusters, Afterlife, Blatant, Blatant reboot Quill, Not even trying to hide it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they did not even try to hide that at all. It was 100% a shot-for for shot remake of the first one. Uh, but then all the characters except for spangler showed up, because his well, I mean he did show up as a so here's probably the most like renowned reboot quill that's come up recently Cobra Kai. Cobra Kai.
Speaker 1:Have you seen Cobra Kai yet?
Speaker 2:I have not seen Cobra Kai. I'm a little bit curious if I need to watch Cobra Kai to be able to understand Karate Kid Legends, which is a reboot quill proper. That's like a double reboot quill, it looks like, because Mr Miyagi and his student and then Jackie Chanagi and his student and then Jackie Chan not his student anymore. But you know, like rebooting and sequeling two different Karate Kid movies.
Speaker 1:Cobra Kai was sick, though Just turns out Karate Kid works better as a series. Who knew?
Speaker 2:As a series about adults, because you do always talk about how aging up the protagonist just makes sense.
Speaker 1:Well, it's also a rebuke rule because, like the adults, they're still the actual kids, like. That's the point. Is each one, like Romeo and Juliet trains up their fighters to like learn nothing from the karate kid, Like both the good guy and the bad guy, training new fighters to beat each other up means neither of them learned anything from their movie, and that's kind of what makes it great okay, how many seasons of Cobra Kai are there?
Speaker 2:I think there's four.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed Cobra Kai, so I'm just trying to think of some other like reboot quills because it seemed to be like a pretty like tight one. Here's a good one for me that I don't know if you'll have any relation to. The Neo Genesis Evangelion movies was wild. So it looked like they were just doing HD remasters of Evangelion, like they re-released the Evangelion 1.0, and you're like, oh, it's a retelling. And then you realize they changed a few things, like okay. And then by the end of it you realize it's a direct sequel to Evangelion and it's the 13th time they've wiped out humanity and you see the dead bodies of the other protagonists floating in space. From the last try at it.
Speaker 1:It was such a good reboot Quill, because not only did it catch me off guard, it ended well. I am satisfied with how Neon Genesis Evangelion ended.
Speaker 2:Despite being one of the most convoluted series in history.
Speaker 1:Despite being a reboot quill of the most convoluted series in history, with a questionable fan base, a suicide watch director, Like the fact that they did it and and it ended and they landed the plane is insane. They took like nine, like it took like 12 years to get through that sequel series or like 15 or something did not think it was gonna land the plane.
Speaker 2:There's a bad one Terminator Dark Fate ooh yeah, terminator Dark Fate was, was not what see it? Terminator Dark Fate was not. See again, I understand why studios or creatives need to pitch existing ideas to be able to get funding to actually make their idea, but it just makes me so sad if you have a cool idea and like, it makes me sad that you can't just believe in the strength of your idea and make something good, as people have their dollar right, like as we're talking about the minecraft movie the other day you can't make these movies exist.
Speaker 1:You have to either invest in them, make them or watch them, but, most importantly, not watch the garbage the moment you buy a ticket for the Grudge 2020,. You did this.
Speaker 2:I mean that is fair. I not exactly hate watch, but I do frequently watch video game adaptations just to see if they are as bad as I expect them to be.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing the Minecraft movie did better than any other adaptation in history. Therefore, they're going to make more movies like that because it made the billions of dollars. I actually brought in Minecraft-themed plates to our wrap-up party today because I wanted to see how people reacted. They're like, who brought the Minecraft plates? And I was like like going to myself minecraft is a big deal. I had someone look me in the eyes, be like minecraft is my favorite intellectual property of all time.
Speaker 1:What, unironically, and I'm like it's kind of funny to be like one of the ogs where minecraft was just nothing yeah, minecraft was literally just creative mode and there like weren't even any enemies or anything like and like we mean, you played minecraft pretty freaking early into the pipeline, as it were. So yeah, I was gonna dragon ball super, not a reboot quill no no, I I would say there's a movie at the end of gt that's like about goku jr and vegeta jr. That gets close.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:And Not Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood it's weird, but it wouldn't count.
Speaker 2:We already talked about how the Brotherhood doesn't land emotionally without the first one. But you kind of have to stop watching the first one partway through because otherwise you'll get messed up, you know what kind of works, though.
Speaker 1:Yu-Gi-Oh GX as a reboot quill is actually a fair argument.
Speaker 2:That's fair, I got an interesting question. Well, maybe not interesting, but I got a question for you.
Speaker 1:It's probably interesting. If not, we wouldn't do Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2:I guess actually the Harry Potter TV series wouldn't actually count as a reboot quote, because it'll just be a reboot.
Speaker 1:But it's so funny because they're going to cast Snape as a minority and not realize the implications that Harry Potter's jock father bullies the only minority in Hogwarts. The internet's loving this.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I guess that doesn't really count as a rebootquel, because it just seems like it's going to be a straight reboot.
Speaker 1:Right, like a rebootquel would be like Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, where you just have his son go through Hogwarts but it's have all the same plot beats. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Um, I would say a good reboot. Cool though, was william not william shatner, star trek, the one without william shatner. When they did it like a star wars style movie, I think they just called it star trek, and then they redid wrath of khan afterward.
Speaker 2:Rathacon afterward oh, the Into Darkness. Yeah, star Trek Into Darkness.
Speaker 1:That trilogy. That was a decent reboot Quill Because technically it was canon, because old Spock time-traveled back to create the new timeline. It was a whole thing and I'm like, yeah, no, that's legit. It's easy to do a reboot Quill of time-travels. That's straight up plot point.
Speaker 2:I mean, that is definitely true. Um, and I I would say that I personally enjoyed those movies. Uh, I feel like they got a pretty negative review from actual fans, though, like not that I am somewhat of a fan of star trek, but I'm not like a so here's the thing about star trek fans.
Speaker 1:there's real star trek fans that are human beings that watch star trek, and then there's internet star Trek fans that are human beings that watch Star Trek, and then there's internet.
Speaker 1:Star Trek fans that have been so used to be bullied for their Star Trek takes that they get offended that normal people like Star Trek now. So it's just like. No, like actual Star Trek fans don't get mad at Star Trek properties. Actual fans of anything don't typically get mad at that property for existing and tell other people they're wrong for liking it. That's just some sort of like nonsense. I think like another reboot quill that comes to mind, but I don't think I made you watch this one is Macross. Frontier is interesting because it's like a direct sequel to Mac, is interesting because it's like a direct sequel to macross. But also it's like hey, we have the dynamic at the pop star, the pilot, the aliens. It's like they have like a lot of like similar story beats even though they have different aliens I see but they do reference that.
Speaker 2:It's like a thing to a thing you know I it's been so long since I watched Macross and Macross itself. Is this weird amalgamation of two other series?
Speaker 1:Oh no, I'm saying Macross, not Robotech. Robotech's the amalgamation.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I've watched Robotech, but I don't know that I've watched Macross.
Speaker 1:It was nearly impossible to. Just recently, Disney Plus managed to pry the rights for everything except the original, and if Disney can't get it, if Disney somehow cannot get something they want from Harmony Gold, it's over. They're the most powerful force on the planet. Disney failed to get the original Macross from them.
Speaker 2:What do they even want for it?
Speaker 1:You to not have it. They've decided that their weird amalgamation anime is pure art and there's no force on this planet that will have them give back the pieces they made into their amalgamation. They're like no, you're not going to release my crossover here. It'll conflict with Robotech, and I'm like did Disney not offer you enough money? Cause, like, or is it just a pride thing? Now, I hope it's just a pride thing, I really do. I hope Harmony Gold's just like no, we'd rather die than acknowledge that Robotech was three separate shows and give you back the Macross junk. We refuse, we worked hard on this. Like, this is just such a fun mental picture. Also, you know what we didn't count as reboot quills, yet there's like constant of them Every horror franchise that has more than 10 movies.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's definitely been lots of reboot quills of horror movies Like.
Speaker 1:I'm failing to think of examples but, like I'm sure, freddy and Jason must have reboot quilled at some point.
Speaker 2:I'm failing to think of examples, but I'm sure Freddy and Jason must have a reboot quilt at some point. I know Scream has Rob Zombie's Halloween movies. Those are straight up. Actually, I don't know if they're reboot quilts or not.
Speaker 1:It might just be. Reboots X, I think, was literally there's just a new Saw.
Speaker 2:That would make sense. You are probably right that they reinvent themselves. Well, because the original actors are like long gone.
Speaker 1:Well, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre I think did it, where they had the legacy characters show up, but new teens are the focus of it.
Speaker 2:Hmm, I don't remember. I've definitely watched the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and that was one of the first two-thirds of the movie was one of the most unsettling movies I've ever seen. Then there was a remake in the 90s. I think I'll have to look up when the remake was. But I don't think I'll have to look up when the remake was. But I don't think that had any reference to the original. But I do believe there has been another remake which might be a reboot, as you're saying.
Speaker 1:It's quite possible.
Speaker 2:I'll have to look it up. Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Speaker 1:I do find it funny for Yu-Gi-Oh to make the criteria of all things, because like yeah, like yeah, no, they reboot Kool-Aid every year, like every they'll like, run a Yu-Gi-Oh series for like five years and then have to refresh it.
Speaker 2:Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2022. Hmm, so that would be the third. The second remake 2022. Hmm, so that would be the second remake. Yeah, I'm not counting into a conflict with a vengeful survivor of his previous murders. Okay, so that does, in fact, sound like a reboot.
Speaker 1:Gundam Unicorn might count, because Gundam Unicorn is very close to the plot points of the original Gundam. Unicorn is very close to the plot points of the original Gundam.
Speaker 2:It is. I mean, the Gundam Unicorn is just straight up the replacement for the Gundam right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like Gundam, does this a few times. Seed and Seed Destiny is probably the fastest reboot call ratio. Because they just do it and then they just do it again. Right, like Gundam's probably ripe with reboot calls of do we have protagonists run up and jump into a Gundam and then go through a war, conflict and then have a psychic love interest? Like Gundam, reboot calls itself like the original Gundam franchise where Universal Century's just like yeah, no, universal Century just runs on a loop it sure does.
Speaker 1:But I think that's most of the ones I can think of that come to mind, which is good because we're right in time for our random question of the week.
Speaker 2:I love random questions.
Speaker 1:Did you solicit any of your viewers for a random question?
Speaker 2:Oh no, I don't solicit people, for I just passively am like oh yeah, I got to record a podcast tonight and everyone's like oh, you record a podcast. I'm like yep.
Speaker 1:I mean, my quote today was as a white male over 35 years old, I'm legally obligated to have a podcast, fair, okay, so here's one. If you could outsource one human experience to an intern to experience instead of you, what would it be? So there's one thing you experience that you don't want to do anymore. So you make an intern, do it.
Speaker 2:Make an intern do something that I have done? Oh man, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this question.
Speaker 1:All right, so the question is and I'll have to give an example is so you have? The aspects, that are you, carl, the person like you eat, sleep, brush your teeth, go to work, et cetera, et cetera. You can take one aspect of your life, like eating lettuce, for example, and then make an intern have to eat lettuce for you. So you don't have to because you've outsourced it.
Speaker 1:So if it's something, like for example, it's like I'm going to outsource sleeping to an intern. I'd hire an intern just to sleep for me. But part of that's like how mean do you want to be to this intern and how annoying is that human experience?
Speaker 2:Because I mean having an intern.
Speaker 1:Think of it like like a shadow clone thing, where the intern does the task and then it gets done on you magically updated, like if the intern flosses for me, then my teeth would be flossed yeah, yeah, okay, okay but remember though, it's an intern and they're not paid and they're getting trained and experienced. So be kind to your intern, don't just be like pain. No, no, no, I to your intern.
Speaker 2:Don't just be like pain. No, no, no. I, I, I like pets, I like animals, but I personally feel like I am not a particularly responsible pet owner. I don't have the time and bandwidth to dedicate to an animal that it deserves. So I personally my fiancée she wanted a cat. I was like I will love that cat, I will pet and cuddle that cat, but I'm just a terrible, but it's your cat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is her cat. Whenever the cat does something that she doesn't like, then the cat is my cat. Anyways, I would outsource pet ownership.
Speaker 1:Okay, which is funny, because that's a thing you could actually outsource to an intern.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean it wouldn't be unpaid in this hypothetical situation where, for the human experience I'm outsourcing to an intern because I'm less of a good person than you is absolutely morning yoga. So some people love that and it'd be good for my body. So I'm this intern, do morning yoga, so I get the benefits and they don't Because they're getting paid in experience or even paid paid if I have a company in this scenario and they're just doing my yoga for me. So my bones and joints and things are all nice and stretchy without me having to do the work.
Speaker 2:And here's our second random question. Alright, alright.
Speaker 1:Which fast food chain has the energy of an ex who won't stop texting?
Speaker 2:Which fast food chain? Uh, I would say, um, so the energy of an ex that won't stop texting, so something that you don't want, but you used to love Subway, but it to love Subway, but it's everywhere.
Speaker 1:Subway Subway.
Speaker 2:Subway is a pretty good answer.
Speaker 1:They're just everywhere and they're like want a footlong sub for $20? I'm like, no, no, I don't Drop that down by a quarter. They're like this is why we broke up. I'm like, no, we broke up because you took all my money and left me. I am fine with this hypothetical divorce with Subway. If Subway wants to sponsor this podcast, maybe you'll give me a sandwich a quarter of the price it is currently and we can talk.
Speaker 2:Well see, the problem is.
Speaker 1:You still enjoy Subway. You didn't break up with them.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean A. I can't use the same answer as you.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Subway is the perfect answer. Nice, because it is something that I see advertised regularly, hence the text, but it is something that I don't have very often.
Speaker 1:There's a Subway in every small town in Saskatchewan, somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I much prefer Quiznos yeah because it's better.
Speaker 1:So it's like Subway's only advantage was price and they just lost that in the sandwich race.
Speaker 2:I prefer Firehouse subs personally, but oh, I was disappointed by Firehouse subs here in Saskatoon Because it was just better in here. Well, I mean, this is a complete tangent, but I went to Firehouse Subs and I thought that's in our podcast Wild. And I thought that they would have cheddar broccoli soup, but all they had was chili and I was like, okay, that's sad, all they have is chili.
Speaker 1:Although, to be fair, chili in a firehouse is completely rational.
Speaker 2:It's rational, just not what I wanted. And then it may be because it was still a fairly new location. But we stood there for probably a half hour and it looked like there were like 20 people and it looked like they were all working. They were all doing whatever, but sandwiches just weren't being made. I don't know what they were doing, but it was just like it just took forever. Everyone looked busy, but no one seemed to actually be doing anything.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to gonna lie. If this was your pick for an ex, it really sounds like you fell out of love with this person. It was brutal. This is an ex.
Speaker 2:You're not over well, I mean, I only had firehouse subs one other time, and that was when I was in toronto.
Speaker 1:It was delicious, it was delicious, they had it was delicious.
Speaker 2:It was delicious. They had cheddar broccoli soup. The sandwich was piled high with cheese and meatballs. I mean, I guess the sandwich last time I went to Firehouse Subs wasn't terrible, it was just. The overall experience was like oh, but yes to the original question. Energy of an X that wants to have text.
Speaker 1:sick Pizza is an Ex that wants to stop texting. Pizza is pretty aggressive with their advertisements.
Speaker 2:There just always is one in my inbox. Yeah, yeah, I would say for me, partly because I eat so much pizza all the time at my workplace. But pizza places in general, they have tons of advertisements, like Little Caesars.
Speaker 1:Fair, very fair.
Speaker 2:It's cheap, but it's like.
Speaker 1:It's not as cheap as it should be.
Speaker 2:That's why we broke up Little Caesars. You're just too cheap.
Speaker 1:Well, for me, I go to Little Caesars, so here's why I like Pizza Hut came to mind. It's a weird problem. So Pizza Hut right now is actually more efficient per slice than Little Caesar's, cost-wise. Oh really, yeah. So it's like I'll order like the Pizza Hut triple box whatever that's like 40 bucks for three medium pizzas, and then I'll order like three Little Caesar's pepperoni and they'll be like 12 bucks each somehow, and then plus tax it'll still hit 40 bucks. I'm like, well, I'm gonna get the good pizza, okay, basically the same price. Like pizza hut had this dipping pizza which was like a rectangular pizza cut into strips with like four different dips the thing was like 20 bucks.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's how much pizza is supposed to cost guys. It should feed me and Jeremy for 20 bucks.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And all right, we got one last random question for the week before we wrap things up.
Speaker 2:All right, all right.
Speaker 1:This one's a quick one, so you ready. You got your reflexes up. Okay, you get to rename the Earth Go.
Speaker 2:Oh, dang it. I'm not ready for this at all Like this full stop between Earth and go isn't the question.
Speaker 1:You get to rename the Earth Full stop, go, full stop. I think I got the energy across right. I get to rename the Earth, so I have two options and I'm going to pitch them both to you and tell you what you think.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So, option the first if I just name it Donald Trump's big shiny orb, that might satiate his ego enough that he goes away, Okay, Okay. And option the second I kind of want to name the Earth Carl with a K. I think it'd be really funny to someone who would just wake up. And it's just the planet Carl.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go with Gnome.
Speaker 1:Gnome. Okay, okay, that is a deep cut. I see what you're putting out. I briefly considered Terra. I also considered the digital world, but I think I'm just going with calling the planet Carl.
Speaker 2:Oh, what was it? It?
Speaker 1:was? I think it was. It was a space movie, Titan AE, I think it was, when they named the planets. Like what are we going to call it? I think New Earth is like Bob, and then it's like New Earth brackets Bob brackets Can't name a planet. Bob, Watch me.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I would go with Gnome, depending on what mythology you're going with. Gnome is an Earth spirit, so it'd be funny for Gnome to have Gnome powers.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it Like there's just good stuff that happened here. It's a good answer and thank you everyone for tuning in to Richard and Carl. Presents Deep Space and Dragons. Buy my book Like come on.
Speaker 2:I thought you weren't going to bother plugging your book because you did it mid-podcast, but I guess at least this time you didn't call them cheap.
Speaker 1:To be fair, I had an epiphany mid-sentence where I'm like you don't have to and then I'm like we're over a hundred episodes. I think that justifies four dollars. That feels reasonable at this rate. Guys, come on, it's like such. That's like the cheapest content you can buy. Like even you think about. We don't have youtube ads in our podcast, right? So like you can't even watch all of yugioh abridged without paying as much time and energy as our podcast. I watch so many streamers and things who are always like subscribe to my Patreon. I'm like no many of our episodes I don't say anything. I feel it this time they should buy a book. I'm sorry, I use the money right now to go to Gallus.
Speaker 2:Completely altruistic. We just need the money right now to go to Gallus. Completely altruistic, we just need the money.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be honest, like if I got a massive psych of sales after this, because I do not think that would work I'd probably be like hey, Carl, I'm ordering you a pizza because you earned it.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You're going to order it from Pizza Hut, aren't you?
Speaker 1:Actually, to be fair, if I was going to spend our ill-gotten gains on book hawking on this podcast. I think it would be, because we're not getting Switch too rich on this podcast. It's not making us a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:I think it's blizzards.
Speaker 1:I think I'm ordering us each a blizzard that feels like a reasonable, that seems us a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:I think it's blizzards. I think I'm ordering us each a blizzard, ooh.
Speaker 1:That seems like something solid.
Speaker 2:I mean it sounds reasonable, but blizzards have gotten expensive.
Speaker 1:I need to sell a fair number of books to get us each a blizzard Like damn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you sell one book. You can't even afford a mini Oreo blizzard.
Speaker 1:Man, why did I choose to be a writer again? Bye, bye. I enjoyed that. The Blizzard tangent had to be in the episode. It's funny, though, because I'll check my royalties and be like, ooh, $10, and I'll go get food court sushi and be so happy.
Speaker 2:Do you still get any passive income from your teespring shop?
Speaker 1:on occasion, but I usually turn it into more merch ah I.
