#128 | Jamal, Fab, Omar | Social - Cuisine - Life |

Welcome back to another lively episode of Rizzology hosted by Nicky Rizzles! In today's jam-packed session, Nick sits down with a trio of dynamic guests—Jamal, Fab, and Omar. These engaging personalities delve into a colorful discussion that is sure to pique your culinary curiosity and tickle your funny bone. 

From contemplating the delicacies of the world such as camel meat and Rocky Mountain oysters to diving into their personal tastes and cultural experiences with tongue tacos on Cinco de Mayo, the group explores the fine line between exotic tastes and the common palette. In addition to their eclectic taste adventures, they playfully confront societal issues, share insights on the social media landscape, and humorously break down personal anecdotes. 

So grab a seat, perhaps a unique snack to munch on, and join the fun as Rizzology grants you another entertaining glance into the fascinating and humorous realms of culture, food, and society.

00:00 Lamb balls
07:18 Navigating YouTube's demonetization policies
14:51 TikTok View Growth Challenges
18:16 Support Your Community
22:11 "Osskiii's Full-Circle Journey"
26:58 Promoting Ethical Halal Practices
31:40 The Perfect Fit with Nick
40:24 Excluded During Family Gatherings
43:27 Weight Gain and Loss Journey
51:45 Parental Nighttime Reactions
56:21 Personal Struggles with family
58:25 Confronting A Parent
01:03:52 Parent-Child Bond: A Learning Journey
01:16:56 Determined Self-Reflection
01:21:07 Mental Limits in Fitness Training
01:28:08 Hypocrisy in Ye
01:32:48 Celebrities Losing Respect
01:35:40 Subjective Opinions on Sports GOATs
01:42:58 Calm Debates vs. Ignorant Arguments
01:46:57 Parental Conflict Over Career Choices
01:54:23 Exciting Content Plans Ahead

Guests:

https://www.instagram.com/mr1ntensity/

https://www.instagram.com/_osskiii/

https://www.instagram.com/bodily_success_/

Transcript

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We used to violate him so much. I ain't gonna hold you. Hey, you say y'all, I'm gonna report you. What he said last episode. He said, y'all report you for eating camel meat. Selling camel. Selling camel meat. Camel meat. Low key. Sound like a bus. You wouldn't eat camel meat. Nice smoked. That's what I'm saying. Look it up, bro. You eat alligator? Alligator's good. Alligator. Frog legs is good. Frog legs, I heard, is five. Yeah, Cook it up. I ate lamb. Test it. If anybody. If I'm gonna eat it. Wait, what if I'm eating lamb testicles? They grilled it. It's a video. Yeah, what I said. Sound crazy, though. It's a delicacy in some countries, but this ain't. Not in New York. Nah. But, bro, my son hit it. My son marinated, hit it on the grill. Had it all grilled, busted down, they call that. What's the texture? Rocky Mountain oysters. Kind of like a scallop. You can talk about that. Oh, that's Rocky Mountain. We're already on. That's Wallace. Yeah, I already got all that. Yeah, I don't even, like. I already got all that. Whether you. Yeah, whether you want. I mean, it's on there. It's on my page, so it's not like it's ever whether you want. Yeah. No, the video went viral. Are you eating testicles? Yeah, it was. It was Kagistani food, and then a lot of Kakistani people were against it. It was like, nah, we don't do that. Who says what you eat? So if Kakistani people say they don't do that, I'm gonna be real with you, though. Growing up in Egypt, there's a plate called mahasi, and it's. And it's actually lamb testicles. So we. They don't waste anything in, like, say. You use all parts of the animals. Native Americans used to do that. You got to use everything. So people eat tongue. It's like cow. Ain't nobody had that. But that's a Caribbean thing. I never eat it. I love real old school thing, yo, But I never did it. I don't know. Never ate it. They could keep that there. I ate. Yeah, he think he catching. Yeah, he here with the tassels on. He think he. He's special today. You eat testicles. It was me eating testicles. On your page? It was my page. It was debunking. Not even. It's early Right there. Lambo's. Oh, you labeled it lamb balls, too. Yeah, I Ain't Cap. He's a big social media buzzword guy. Yeah. Easy, clickbait. Anything for followers. That's crazy. Not even. I wasn't expecting. I went there to order. They had Chinese. I'm glad you didn't call me for that one. Yeah, it's Bro, it ain't so. Wait. I'm still waiting for it to go. You know what I think it is with the kind of stuff is more so like the thought of it, the name of it. Like if someone. A psychological effect of it, you know. You don't know what it is, you're gonna eat it. Be like, oh, wow. Exactly. So even growing up in Egypt, I knew that it was always around, but I never ate it. You get what I'm saying? This is my whole life here. I'm. The other day, I'm putting out in a predicament to see it and eat it. I said, eff it. This is taught. This is part of being a chef. To enhancing palate, understanding texture and flavor. So I say, yo, let me. I'll try it. Was that a huge fan? Not really. It tastes like scallop. Though it probably wasn't as bad as, like, mentally, you're making it seem. Exactly. Because we don't. What's a scallop? We don't know. Fab. Don't look at him like that. Yeah, you got it. Yo, yo. Like you said. You said dudes do worse, brother. I tell you that. Talk about dudes. Freaky activities. They done worse. That's all I'm saying. Some dudes have a motto. When the rents do. The rents do. Exactly. I mean, this is. Again, it's culinary. It's culinary. It's exquisite. What was it? Culinary experience. So you mentioned. You mentioned like tongue as well. So when I. Tongue. When I first moved into Huntington area, it was. It was like the first or second weekend, it was Cinco de Mayo. And I was, you know, just walking around the village and every Mexican joint packed. Packed as. As it always is. You know, because like, especially white people, they just forget that. Oh, shit. Like I can have Mexican food. Like, it's. I gotta celebrate today. It's like, you could have it every day. Cinco de Mayo. But so. So they go like that. We're walk. I'm looking around, walking, Kenji. And I see I'm definitely gonna butcher the name. It's AKA Oaxaca or Oaxaca. Oaxaca. Oaxaca. So it's like super authentic. So it's like I go to Basito. Cause I know the owner of Besito. Like we've been there. Great food. Or I can go, like, real authentic spots. So I go there and they're like, yo, it's like an hour wait for anything, even takeout. Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I live two blocks away. Perfect. I put my order in, walk home, hang out, and go back. And while I'm looking at the menu, I saw beef tongue tacos. And I said, all right, I guess we gotta get, like, real authentic with it on Cinco de Mayo. You tried it? They were delicious. I'm telling you. I put. I. Yo, I started, like, fooling my boys. Like, I'd literally just be like, oh, you wanted some beef tacos? Yeah, yeah, sure. I go get the beef tongue tacos. They'd be like, yo. Yeah, they're eating it. They're like, yo, this shit's good. I'm like, beef tongue. They'd be like. But all of a sudden. But once they find out, yeah, they're just like, oh, no, it's gross. It's the worst thing ever. It's like, I don't know, man. You were getting down on the other day. The other day, I went to a Yemeni restaurant, right? So you eating balls, but you don't eat ass. Now I'm just gonna get clarity now. You eat he butt. You gotta eat. But, brother. Brother on camera. It's crazy, right? You don't eat. That's what I say. People, people, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't change it up right now on the table. Listen, man. Listen, man. Listen, man. You don't eat booty. Hold on. I eat balls. Hold on, everybody. You only eat. Bon supposed to be my. My dude. He only eats things that are considered a delicacy in foreign lands. Listen, man, it's okay. You gotta put a bib on it. Anything. Now live your truth. You do it. Don't worry about it. Your truth, bro. Two different things. This is a cuisine served for you. Of course. I mean, freakiness is freakiness. Whatever you do with it, you do with it. You keep that at home. You know what I'm saying? Who don't do that, though. That's very adult of you. You get what I'm saying? It's very adultery, but it's cool. On camera is crazy. He's trying to set me up. Saving my YouTube monetization for me. That's what I'm saying about the crucify out there. They're gonna be like five minutes in. You wait. Is that right? It's like. Is that. Yeah. You get in trouble on YouTube. N words. N words. Be careful with the N words. I don't know if you beep it, but I don't think they care if. That as long as if it's a black individual that says it. If I say it, then. Wait, so if you. If you talk about eating butt, you get in trouble? I don't know. YouTube I got. But we have to re. Go through the. The guidelines, but the guidelines are pretty strict. Like, you can't say. You can't talk about. Like, you technically can't say P O, R, N. Technically you have to say Korn. Like that's what a lot of these big names. Why can't you. Because they'll demonetize you. It's a big platform now where a lot of. And that's where I started learning, obviously, when I was doing my YouTube thing. It's a big platform where there's a lot of kids and if they ask you, is this made for kids? But there's. I always say no. And there's people who come in and tune in. Whatever. Yeah, of course. But in terms like this, I feel like this is kind of a funny subject. Yeah. So might not, but you just never know. Do you demonetize anything? They find a way to. Yeah. I gotta be careful in that guess. Oh, so you're saying. So basically you're saying you don't eat ass. You don't eat the dog part of the banana, but you eat balls. Wait, dog part with a banana? What brought the duck porn and a banana? I'm just saying. Back to it, right? Yeah, I didn't need clapping. Back to it. He listened to it. He just mixed up the lingo. He just. He just changed the verbiage. So he just. That's crazy, dude. Here's AI. Here's AI giving. Here's AI giving me the breakdown. So. Inappropriate language. That's every podcast episode I've ever put out. So they can go fuck themselves. Hate speech, violence, blood, injury, or graphic violence. So already we're three things down. And I'm just like, you know, I'm like, so have they actually looked at every video that's on their site? Shocking content, content that may upset disgust or shock viewers? Drug and tobacco related content. That's crazy. Firearm related content. That's why when I did so, I did an unboxing of my holster, my new competition holster. I was so hesitant to put it up there because you have to be so fucking careful with firearms on YouTube. They freak out. I have to. You have to show that it's totally empty. You got to like actually say there's nobody behind the camera. Even though I'm pointing it at the camera. There's nobody behind the camera, dude. It's crazy. It shows you the legal activities behind these games though. Like it's some real deal. Misleading metadata, predatory behavior, malicious attacks, harmful or dangerous behavior, conspiracy theories. So just like, you know you're not allowed to post anything, Anything at all. Have a platform? Like, no, but they. I think it filters based off words, so they probably have. Yeah. If they hear you, especially in like short form, if they hear you cursing or going crazy, like right at the beginning of the clip, which, I mean, dude, it's everything. It's everything. I post certain curses, like the F bombs. I think they over it. I had a couple videos that went viral that I dropped the F bomb in it a couple times. Well, I mean, ESPEC and like with ironically. I mean, MET is trying to make up big time for like how much suppression they've done over the years. Just in general with like everybody. Yeah. So now they're going and they're saying like, oh, no, no, we're. We're pushing to like not, not suppress or not show firearm related content. Now they're trying to Zuck's on like a I'm a good boy type campaign lately. That sounds like Zuck. I don't know if you've seen any of his shit. Like, not really. Don't pay attention. He's really trying, like to overdo it. Kissing ass, this and that, you know, uncovering and showing all the receipts of like, oh, no, the White House told me not to say this or to suppress this. I swear I didn't. But like, brother, you did it. Like, regardless, you did it. It's okay. No fact, live with what you did. Like you did it. But like now he's on this campaign tour of like trying to reserve everything. Everybody getting money. That's what it is. Oh, that's the thing. If you paired their pockets the right way, they'll do whatever the fuck you want. Especially at that level. You seen that? Everybody catching a check. Everybody catching a check. So now you want his. Of course, of course. And especially after buying ig, buying this, buying that, there's money to be made. And you know, he was trying to buy TikTok and everyone was just like, absolutely not. Yeah, that was another thing that just blew up out of nowhere. Especially how that shit happened when they closed it. Now bringing it back, it was just like, what's going on with that? Well, so they brought it back. However, if you deleted, I'm gonna have to push my camera back. I think my big ass head's cut off. If you. Is it cut off? Fab. Nah, I think I see a hat. Am I like, right at the top? I think you're right at the top. Just making it. I got a little bit of headroom. Pause. Yeah. Okay, Just move it. Just push it back a little bit. Just a little bit. You trust him with that equipment? I do. Oh, man. You're not. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. He want to talk about the dark spot. About the banana. Pause. No, no, no, no. Go the other way. Fat other way. Yeah, there we go. My head's in there. Pause. Okay. Dark. Spotted a banana. Nobody clipped that. I swear to God, nobody clipped that word. That's the best part. Antidote. That's not. Hello. So, no, it got nothing to do. It's just how. What it got to do with that? How? You talk about we reversed again? No, no. I'm just confused with that question. Y'all are really trying to kill this. Monetization for naive and not even. I said it in a respectful manner. I said, but. And then he bring a banana and then. And ball sack. Nah, you just put it up just now. No. Cause that's what the questions you asked me. So I'm trying to understand, like, so thinking about it, that visualization you had going in your head is kind of crazy. No, but anyways, back. You get what I'm saying? Individuals. Yeah. Cause he brought a butt, banana, and balls. It's just like, what you thinking about there? Fab is a little naughty boy, brother. I'll tell you that. Fab is a little. Y'all watching Fab? A little freak off over there with the tassels. So good. It's so good. Back to my boy. Back to my boy. My boy was preaching. Like. My boy was preaching. My boy was preaching. So what I. How do you follow up with that? So what I find Crazy. Tassels do look good, though. Yeah, it do. It do appreciate you. I tell you. Just don't shake your shit. Don't shake it. Yeah, don't shake it. It'll start snowing outside again, so don't do that. So what I found interesting, though, is that they. They banned TikTok now. There were a lot of people that just sat there and they were like, yo, fuck TikTok. And they deleted the app off their phones. Even though you can see the apps after they revived it, you could see them in the store still. You can't redownload them. So now, phones, if you have a phone that has TikTok on it, they're going for like 10 bands, 20 bands on. On ebay right now. If you sell the phone with TikTok. A bit too soon, that's what happens when you bite. That was another thing. No wonder why somebody hit me. Wait, wait, Tick. There's no longer a TikTok. No, it's still there. It's still there because this is how much I. Because Trump. Trump put in an executive order to. Saying that you can't just. We're not just going to shut it down like that. Listen, in truth, that's the right move in a lot of different ways, I think there's a lot of bullshit on TikTok, without question. But I also feel like there was also good on there. There's a lot of good because there's a lot of eye opening. Like, you look at. They got. They had the STEM program. I don't know if you look at the most. You look at, like a lot of the government, they're trying to hide a lot of the shit that people were exposing on TikTok and all these social platforms that weren't getting suppressed, like. Like meta, meta. You couldn't talk about anything. Your video would get suppressed and pushed down. You wouldn't get the views and all this shit. TikTok's one of the only platforms, like, I listen to a lot of G. TikTok's one of the only platforms that has that organic growth still. Like, even though. Even though somebody could follow xyz, if my content is doing really well and it somewhat falls in line with what this person usually watches or likes, TikTok will automatically show that person and be like, hey, you may. You'll probably like this. That's another thing. If you ever clock certain TikTok influencers or content creators or whatever you want to call them, their following sometimes is crazy, like three, four miles. And then they got their Instagram link there. The same content that they're posting on TikTok is getting posted on Instagram. You go on our Instagram, they're not even hitting. Probably like 20k. Dude, that's me. Yeah, that's me. It's not. I'm not. No, no, no. I didn't mean it like. That was zesty. Love me some zest. We almost locked. Figures. Lemon peel. That's real. I just saw his whole childhood. That's crazy. So pretty rough. Still handsome, though. So. So I. He was a fat boy growing. Damn it My bad, my bad. Insert picture here before, after. So media team is on it. The media team's on it, right? Yeah, yeah. Is she here? Body shaming is crazy. Body shaming 2025 is crazy. Is Jay's media team in the room right now? So, so what I. What I found crazy is that I'll post podcast clips on Instagram and I have. I've been right, like, literally 7,000 followers around that area, almost to eight for a long time. Like, it grows, then you lose 10 followers. It grows, you lose 10. I'm like, whatever, I don't give a fuck. But TikTok, once I started posting the podcast clips to TikTok, I mean, for a long time I stopped. I stopped posting, like six months. And then they shadow banned me for a while, but now we've had a couple of clips go viral. What a shadow ban me? Shadow band basically means, like, inconsistency. They want you to prove that you're gonna start. Start posting. Okay, yeah, they want you. Listen, in theory, your TikTok, you have an account that's doing really well, right? Somebody has a lot of followers, they're posting regularly daily, what have you, and they're interacting with followers and other accounts. They go on a. They go on a hiatus for six months. Now. That six months goes by where that person's followers may not be. Maybe. Maybe they were like a diehard fan. Now they're not on TikTok because that person's not posting. So as TikTok, you're looking at that as well. They're not keeping people on the platform. They're not doing this and that. Why are we going to keep, like, showing out? I don't think they intentionally go, yeah. That'S just how the algorithm works. I got you. I think they just have it programmed in there that, you know, you have to have some type of consistency again until you start getting those numbers again. There was a while where people were getting 200 view, 200 view, 200 view, until they started breaking out, and then they started getting a lot of views. So it's pretty interesting to see from that perspective. But so, Yeah, I mean, TikTok posting the same stuff as Instagram. I think I have 53,000 or 52,000 followers on tick tock7000. I mean, it's great. But, like, does that, does that. Here's the problem, though. When we talk about followers, does that equate to, like, if I came out with a drink next week, does that equate to 53,000 sales that I'm going to make. No, I think so, though. Hear me out. Hear me out. Only 10%. Only 10%. If you're lucky. If you're lucky, you're looking at 10. No, no. You want to make 10% if you have a thousand followers. Right. I'm just drawing a reference. Make the numbers just open and even thousand followers. They usually say when it comes from a marketing standpoint, we're trying to do some things that's going. You're in your. On your, on your best day. You're looking at appealing and getting sales from 10% of your followers, which is a great number. It's still a great number. It's a wonderful number if you're the millions. Right. But now 10 is great. Some people only get 2, 3, 4, 5. It's still beneficial. But I also, I think, Jamal, it's also the product you're putting out there. Of course it is. But the product is good. Once again. Yeah. Yes. If the product is good, it's a lot get people. I think there's a lot of great things though. And I don't mean to cut you off, Jay. I think there's a lot of great products that get suppressed. Like just, I mean, let's, let's, let's. Let'S, let's free some of them. Let's, let's use, let's use Jay's pre workout, for example. I think Jay has created a fantastic formula. I just think that it has taken off the way that it needs to in terms of international and, and, and, and sales. Let's be honest. Let's use any brand in general. Compare it to Jay's. It's the marketing and the branding that comes behind it. Of course. You get what I'm saying. Jay is very independent now. And that's what I'm saying. But I think. But once again, we go back to. He's got a great product. Yeah. And if the product is amazing. But it's more so. Okay. I'm competing right now. You're competing with top dogs, right? These top dogs, C4, they're throwing anything exactly. Into the market. I can't. They got cars driving around with the C4, you know what I'm saying? Like, of course, with a C4 bottle is coming out of a wrangler. But that's also what I'm saying though. So now we're not buying. But let's see. 4 I believe is personally, I think is an inferior product to Jace. And, and I'm sure you agree with we all. I'm not Saying it because it's mine. No, I'm not either. But also biggest thing ever. And it's always going to be a thing. And this is what I learned, obviously through business and through life. Convenience. I'm walking, I'm opening. I'm walking. Cvs, Walgreens can't come people convenience. If Jay had the convenience. Because if you buying a. Some people don't even want to keep walking with the powder or do this or do that. You know what I'm saying? It's not ready rtd they want exactly ready. Ready to drink. You're going to do it at the end of the day. That's. It's more so. Okay, this is convenient. I'm just going to pick this up. I got to pick. Buy one, get one off or say that. Yeah, exactly. It's more so that. That you're competing with. I don't think people are competing against the problem. And then humans. I don't care what people tell me. As much as they love you, they still going to find easier, most convenient, cheaper. Oh, yeah, without question. I mean, that goes no matter how. Much they love you. Well, that goes to anything. If anything, you had your chef and your cooking business. Exactly. Think about the people that you know. And it's not because they don't like you, but they just went with other. Meal companies and you can't knock it. And. And same thing with me with video and photo work. Like, it just is what it is. Like other people are going to use other people. I do. I do. I can't. You know what I mean? I don't knock people for not buying my shit, but I knock people for not buying my people shit. That's what's funny. If you're telling me you're doing food, you're looking for food prep. I'm giving you back in the day. I'm giving you his math, right? And I'm telling you, let him know that I'm sending you. I'm not telling him that for me to get a discount. I'm telling them that. So knowing him, he's going to make sure and treat that person like I'm cheating you. Exactly. And that's as it should be. So if you don't go and buy from my boy and then you go and two months later be like, yo, I was buying from such and such meal company. That shit is whack. I'm like, that's good for you, motherfucker. You should have got fucking food poisoning too. You should have went to my man. I Told you that from day one. I'm a big believer when it comes to buying stuff, bro. In terms like, that's when we talk about it. Like if you share something, right. Say I'm watching. Say you guys started on you on. On TikTok and now we're posting on TikTok Shop. Right. Oh, the intensity by here, which I personally think so because Tick Tock. Tick Tock Shop is big. Yeah. We're about to do something a little bit different. As far as the intensity goes. I think we're going to go down a route with a little bit more apparel too. So that's what I'm saying. We'll. We'll talk. We'll talk about that off camera. And I think that that's. And I don't want you to lose your thought. No, for sure. As a side note, I do think that that's something that we should be talking about. Guaranteed. I just told him the other day, when we get things together, we're gonna have you come in and do a one whole day photo apparel shoot and just. Is he gonna take his shirt off as much or is he staying hoodied up? Secret shredded man. Oh, yeah. I'm a pill. Oh, yeah. Secret shredded man pill. I'm about to make some sales. I'm about to make some sales. That's what I need. No Diddy, but. No Diddy, but I need some sales. This is what I'm glad. This is what I'm glad about. I don't have to anymore. We're good. You too, bro. I'm getting ready. I'm getting back. You see these two gentlemen I'm sitting in front of? I used to somewhat be in the middle. That's why he's got the trench coat on still. Now I'm embarrassed. Now they got me embarrassed. But going back to the topic. No, no, we still. We, bro. Chill. Don't do it. I know y'all see what's going on. We talk about that later. I'll send you out a workout plan. Don't worry. But in general, with Tick Tock Shop, people actually, like abuse it. People literally go on Tick Tock just to buy stuff like, oh, I'm selling this tripod. Oh, I'm selling this shampoo. Oh, I'm a guy that's selling dude, but perfumes. And then people actually abuse it. Now in terms of what how I believe a successful route for that is more so everyone knows. Jamal, you're posting without even looking on TikTok. I know it's raw content. Basically. I Don't want to use man up as a word, but just toughen up. This is life, bro. They love his dude. They love his dude. And it's more so like as. As real as possible. You know what I'm saying? I know these two. If anytime I'm sitting on the table, it's the realest. There's no sugar coating, there's no in the middle. Nah. But you. It's as real as possible. People connect to that. That's when how I see a successful businesses run is having a concept, right? Intensity is connecting to how intense this man is in terms of, of what message he's delivering now in terms of adding that relationship with the product. That's what people buy. It's not. You go to a spot and product is so 5. You come in and you see people, man, standoffish. Are you gonna go back? Nah, it's the hospitality. It's that it's like knowing like, you know what, this guy speaking facts. I like it. It's creating a relationship. Any product could be dropped. You could drop anything next to this product right here and probably compete with it. But what has this product from terms of branding, marketing, and on top of that, a connection between the consumer. That's how I see. It's all about connection. Think about when you buy a, like you buy a Ferrari. You watch these videos of these dudes dropping, like, they drop all the money. They go, they order the custom Ferrari, they order the custom Mercedes, what have you. They get there mad early. We was talking about it before I came in. They walk in, salesman greets him at the front door, hey, customer service. Can I get you like a glass of champagne? Can I get you something? Like, bro, you're just hanging out there for like three hours before you even driving out the lot with your car. At the end of the day, that's how it's always gonna be, a circle. Cause me and him was talking about it. I said, bro, when I started the meal prep, I had none of that. Remember when I first started the meal prep, I had none of that. It was just on me. In fact, I had some definitely great knowledge in branding and marketing. And it's just how people approach me. And I was always that smiling face like, yo, oh, we buying cause of Oski now this guy Oski's dope, Whatever, yada. I'm trying to be modest as possible. I'm not saying I'm the greatest man on this planet Earth, right? I'm just saying Jamal will send me somebody. I'll treat that person, if anything, better than he. I'll treat Jamal. On top of that, though, you took pride in your work. Pride in working big time. Big time. But it was love behind the food. I remember being in the kitchen taking some photos of you. Yeah. When I was flattered that you asked me to do so. And watching him with more than a full plate, get like of work to do, literally be in there and doing the thing himself as well, instead of just like outsourcing. No, you can't. And it's at the end of it, because that's the product. And now to connect with the consumer is not only how good the product is, it's how good you're treating them because you're competing with so many. That's why I keep telling Fab you can't sell the Intensity shirts to all your gym friends, bro. He's having them. The. The wild out dude's wearing the clothes, man. It'd be bugging out. Yo, he about to go buy a shirt. I'm like, damn, son. That dude. Why? Yo, listen, Fat William friends. So I don't fuck with you. You gotta have terms and conditions. Fat William friends. If you're actually intense. No one's paying full price, though. My new brother. Anybody paying full price? Yeah, my new brother want a shirt. I'm like, damn. New brother's crazy. Yeah, fat be having new brothers. This dude flexing in the mirror all of a sudden. Oh, that's it. You friends with him now? He got a twin at the gym now. You ain't never seen nobody look like me. That's a fact. So who the twin? Never. Except I don't know his name. Oh, word. He was having a whole conversation with homeboy yesterday. He bought up sneakers, too. He's a man, son. He bought up sneakers, too. Now that's him. I ain't see a sneaker yet. I ain't see a sneaker yet. When they first met. You heard about the story when they first met. He paid for that. That wasn't free. Yeah, but he just heard. He looking for Yeezys. Next day, my man showed up with the Yeezy factory. Open up the chug, yo. Whatever you need. I used to sell kicks. Ok, so it was a few guys in the gym selling kicks, but they couldn't get everybody their size and what they want. Had the Red Octobers in my cart back in the day. I had a plug for those. I was pissed. Had them in my fucking cart. I was not to cut that. But I want to hear what you're Saying, but I had them in my cart. I was checking out, and they just went, boop. Gone. One of the greatest sneakers of all time on some real dude. I was like, what? Also, my dumbass. That's like, one of one. I bought ten and a half for years, thinking that that was my shoe size. And I was like, why is my toes always feeling, like, in these Jordans and like that? I need 11s the whole time, my dumb ass. I kept buying 10 and a half for some. Some. I was stuck on it. I'm like, nah, I won't buy 11s. I need 10 and a half. It depends on the sneaker, though. The shoe size, it was same. Yeah. As you were saying, you had the. Game, clip kick, Fab def had the plug. So he was struggling. So I just. I was struggling trying to find p. Him and a couple other. Find a home in a place in a place in a place for somebody trying to work out, you know what I'm saying? Saw his face where he said he was struggling. He took his. He got. Oh, yeah, no doubt. I said, oh, no. No doubt. That's how we met. It was him and two other guys. They couldn't. So I was like, yo, I could get you that. They like, yeah, right. Like, two, three days I popped up. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, Amy. From that point, I was like, all right, bet. Yeah. I was like, we gotta work. We gotta work on your weight, but cool. Yeah. Never. He's like. He's like, you gotta work on your size, nigga. But we cool. I'll take you under my wing and. Call you got you never. Your muscles should at least match your beard. We got to work on it. It wasn't as. It wasn't. It wasn't as big, but it was coming in. It was coming in. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Well, he. He had a couple people giving him new beard oils. You know what I'm saying? Big girls. You like them big girls. Watch out for the big girl. Watch out for the big girl. It's over. You scrap the episode. Anyway, I appreciate everybody for. With us anyway, anyway. No, but yeah, 100. Marketing wise, that's key. We got to bring it right back. No, we got to bring it right back. In terms of marketing, we could all sit here. But, bro, I've seen, like. I'm gonna use a prime example. I've seen a lot of spots get marketed like. Like, I. Oh, I only eat halal. Right? So it's like. It's very. Just, like, kosher. What does that mean? I was gonna say what does that. Exactly is how you kill the animal. Okay. So you cut at the jugular vein with the animal does not suffer. Gotcha. You get what I'm saying? I know, I know. Kosher. I didn't know halal was the exact same thing. So when you say so when, when they say like halal food, it's just like, guys, it's just, it was all technically kosher food. Technically, that's all people think when, now when people think halal, they think chicken over rice. That's what I think. That's what I'm saying. Because those were the pioneers of really putting halal out there in terms of like that we were using halal meat. But anywhere you could, you could stop into Mickey D's and they'll probably have a halal like the OE we source from a halal vendor. It's just how you kill the animal. So there's no. Because Tyson Foods, for example, there was an article that came up that they pin gunned the chickens in their head. To us, that's cruelty. You don't want no animal suffering. You don't want to see the next animal even if you're killing. For example, I'm sacrificing a goat. No other goat should be around to see the other goat getting sacrificed because it causes mental stress. So that also affects the body of the meat. Affects the meat. Native Americans used to also kill the same weight. But now the question is, do you think that there's an. I would. I think that shooting, shooting the thing in the head with a pin gun is obviously horrible. I think though, like at the other side of the spectrum is like letting the animal just bleed out slow. No, once you cut the jugular vein, the soul is gone, the bleeding out is gone. You get. I'm saying. So once the jugular vein is gone to sit, there's no life in it. It's just going to, it's off of, off of just reflexes and nerves. That's you going to see them kick in and whatever, but they're gone. It's the. That's it. You get. I'm saying even like you read, you see them reading on it or like, you know, just speaking to it calmly before and then do. And it's done. It's not more so. But what about for example, the dude that was on the ice? You ever see that video? It was fucking crazy. The dude was back in the day. He's the goalie with the tripped and the jugular vein nicked. He was alive that whole time while he's bleeding. Nicked. Not completely cut. Was it Completely. Because this is certainly life has to cut through the jug. Living. It wasn't. It wasn't a complete cut. It wasn't. No. So it was just. It wasn't a complete cut. Yeah. So that. And I'm thinking of just like, okay, it's bleeding out regardless. Now, the meat. The meat also changes in terms of like. But when. When the way it's killed, it tenses up. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So everything about the butt leads out to also, like, bacteria and because when you let the blood out, you're letting the bacteria flow out. If you've ever seen, like in cooking, they tell you if you're throwing meat, for example, let the water flow. Don't leave it sitting in water because then bacteria could accumulate in that water. So when you let it flow, it's like a river. Why does people think rivers are like the purest water? Because the water is consistently flowing. Touching on rocks. No stagnant filtration process. So that's the same thing when you're killing something. Once you let the blood out, it's a filtration process. But if you look at most halal spots, everybody doing what? Hot chicken tenders, chicken over rice. Chicken rice, chicken tenders. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Barbecue sauce. Now, in terms of marketing, anybody could come out there and just post the chicken tender, be like, oh, I had this Chicken tenderness. Better than that, mind you. It's the same damn recipe just floating around. But what makes that. Now, forget the marketing. Now what makes that brand special? You're going to have to look at branding. The man behind the branding, the face, the person who's pushing it. Okay, I could connect with this guy. I actually, I think this dude is dope. I want to give the. Once people like you, they're going to give you their money, bro. That's my biggest theory in life. Once people like you and they respect you and they like what you're doing, how you carry yourself, you take it all day. Money. When I work sales, it's the same thing. People like you. It's about liking you. I want to go to him because I like him. So I'm a buy with him. It's beneficial for him. You could. Emotional connection. Yeah, it's literally that. You know, I use this example all the time. You line up 10 videographers, and we all have the same quality, we all have the same style, like what have you. It's who you connect with. It's the person, though. Like, maybe somebody enjoys working with that person over me. Maybe more people enjoy working with me. Whatever it is, it's just like. It's exactly what that is. Being a trainer. Same vibe. Like, look into. Look into, like, the brands, right? So we create an intensity account by itself. And then there's Jamal. Jamal's personal brand as the CEO is always going to have more of a following than just the brand itself. Because people are buying into Jay. That's really what it is. If we look at all the certain stuff, like my cookie dealer. Why people buy it because of Juan Diesel. Right? There was a connection with Juan. If there's any brand that popped off, there had to be a face there that. Look at. Look at when Kanye went. Perfect example. Red October's. But when he shifted to Adidas, stocks was up. Why? Because we want to buy. Yay stuff Jordans. Why are we buying Jordans? It's because Michael Jordan wore it. It's not because. Oh, because you got LeBron. He wearing kicks, who's really more iconic, you know, Ball, who's really more. In terms of kicks right now. You gonna buy a pair of LeBron's. You still buying Jordans. Yeah, exactly. If you chopping a pair of 11s next to even rip Kobe the prototypes, you. The Kobe's. Now the Kobe's are stunning. Cause he's gone. He's gone. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like y'all, these. These perish somehow. But like the Miamis and all those different. Yeah, but you still. You still rocking back in 12. Remember, they did the. Nothing could ever come near what Jordan did. I would say the Shaqs. Shout out to Shaqs. Cause it was affordable. I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't gonna hold you. Shaqs when you was young. I don't care what anybody tell me. I pulled up. You mean the pumps? The Shaqs when he used to go to Walmart and you rock the Shaqs. Yeah. And the Iverson and the Stephon Marbury's. He's not talking about the pumps, though. But when the Reebok pumps came out, when The Shaq Shaquille O'Neal Reebok pumps. Came out, or the Iverson. The questions or the answers, whatever. Those were fire. Those were great pieces. But they still ain't live to the ones and the threes and the fours and you get what I'm saying? So it's all about your face and what you emotional connection you created. Like exactly what you said you could work with 50 videographers and everybody has great work. But, you know, at the end of the day, Nick knows what I want. It's like going to a barber. The barber, it's an emotional connection. Barber knows what you want. The barber. Know how. How crazy is that? When you have to switch up barbers. For some reason and it's like you feeling the dude. Dude's on it. Baldy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Turkey. Not that much. Can I just say, Turkey, not that much. You could come back looking like me. Yeah, yeah. Can I just say I love that. Good. I love when some out of pocket shit gets said. And Fab and I, we're just on a brain. We just look at each other like. Wait, I'm only certain people could pull off the baldy, though. You seen Fab bald? Did I? Yo, he snuck it on everybody too. He hasn't been able to see. I was like, yo, my man, you gotta grow that back, bro. You gotta grow that back. Yo, that's just scary. That shit scared me. Yo, everybody thought he was sick. Everybody thought he was sick, bro. I thought we were selling Maltesers in the gym. I said, what's going on? Oh, you supposed to let your father know what's going on, son. You supposed to let pops know what's up, man? What's going on? You tell me. Nothing. I was confused. I'm like, I was not wearing the duo with the Baldies. Yes, you was. You was wearing the durag with the Baldies, son. Yeah, you were. I definitely was. Yes, she was. He was hiding it, hitting the one. Strand with the comb. Oh, bro, he had wearing a hat. A silk line hat. That's all I was wearing. Silk line, bro. It was shining. Yeah, that's the deal with it was shining. You see how beer shined? Same thing up top. Use the same grease. Yeah, it was glary, bro. Shout out. Fab, though. He pulled it off, I gotta say that. I gotta say that when he left the house, his girl hit him with elbow shine. Who was the girl? Oh, man, there's no girl doing this. There was no girl doing that. One of those. Never. But again, not anybody could just pull off the Baldi. Personally, I just think it's. Oh, dude, if I. If I start losing my hair, so I'm not. There's no shot that I hang on to the remains of what was once a great civilization. I'm out. I'm starting fresh. Listen, the moment I seen a little bit, I was like, yo, be gone, nigga. I'm out. I'm done. My dad's chrome dome. I'll be honest with you. I can't picture with hair, bro. I've seen the picture. It's fantastic. For real. I feel like this fits him. Nah, it's an intensity look. Low key. It does, Yeah. I can't, like, currently, like, imagine Jamal. With a half fade. I'm confused now, pretty boy. So he had curls. Oh, wow. This dude. You didn't. You didn't. What's wrong with curls? You didn't have curls. Hold on. What's wrong with the curl? Did have curly hair. Yeah, I'm saying that Mic. He didn't. No, no, you can bring the mic, too. He didn't have. He didn't have no straight hair. Nothing. I was about to say what's wrong with the curls? Tyson didn't like that, I think. Oh, who's Tyson? His old mentor. His modeling mentor. Tyson, don't listen to this man, bro. Was this the naked bartending guy? Nah, Naked bartender came from Titi. Tyson Beckford was his modeling mentor when he started off. Who's Tyson Beckford? The model. The real. The real Tyson. It's a picture here. Be careful what you show. I don't got none of that. I was going to say, I don't know what kind of picture you about to pull up. Yo, Jamal. Who? Tyson Beckford. You don't know the old Ralph. You a baby. You young. You used to be the old Ralph Lauren. Mo. If he talking about Ralph Lauren, we. Talking about his era, though. That's not. Yeah, but Ralph Lauren is still like, that's a pioneering fashion dog. Without seeing him. I got him. That was his mentor. Oh, that's. He was an actor too, right? I think he acted a little bit. Yeah, he definitely did movies and shows. You see. Yeah. Tyson Beckford. Of course, I don't know him as a model. I know as my actor. Definitely wasn't my mentor. Yo, he wasn't. He wasn't. He was not my mentor. I could see the similar styles. No, it's a good thing. I don't know what fab is cooking. I can see. All right. Yo, that's a good compliment, though, huh? That's a good compliment. That's a good compliment. You can't call Tyson Beckford. Can't take. I can't take that. I can't take that as a compliment. It's better. It's better than when on Tick Tock they call him Joe Budden. That's better. Oh, yeah. I can't. I can't take that. Huh? They call him Joe Button on TikTok. Yeah, we got Jack Joe Budden. Jack Joe Budden be getting violated. He be getting bodied in person. That's what I heard. You don't be hearing academics and stuff. They literally get bullied around. Joe Button get bullied around. I don't think you don't give me Joe Button. No, no, no. Look wise, not how he acts. I mean. Yeah, okay. What you about to say? Yeah, he was about to say something. What? I thought you was about to say something. No, I said I don't see Joe Button in Jamal. That's Joe. He looked better is what he was about to say. Are you trying to. How you doing, my brother? You look better, my brother. Good looking, baby. That's what I'm talking about. You look better, my brother. That's my brother. Of course, you just mad you got compared to Tyson Beckford. Of course not like it's a bad thing. Never. You got who you get compared again? What was Sonny's name? One on one. Nah, the bouncer, remember? Bouncer? Bouncer. Who you talking about? Of course he got Simeon Panda. Bouncer, Bouncy hunter. Bounty hunter. You see? Bounty hunter. That's who Fab get compared with. Fab got. He got. He got a couple. Couple comparisons. No comparison, dude. The dude from Coming to America. Here we go. Here we go. Soul Glow. Except, you know, he just reversed it. You know what I'm saying? He got the glow right here. Here we go. And it glow up. I got the picture. You need to drop the view of some beard oil routine. I ain't gonna hold you. You do, you do. It's in the works. Don't worry. That's all right. That one come out with his own. W. In the works. Little comment, you know what I'm saying? Little. Little comit. That's the dude. That's the new. That's the new. Not that, but that's the new way. You could create a comb too, for it. Yeah, we could always put a video. Of Fab combing his beard on TikTok. Make millions. Be hard to trademark that. Why the fab wooly not. Cause what I use. Beard oil got him crying. You can't trademark like, oh, Maplewood. Oh, we could just put up. We could put your own flare on it, though. Yeah. You don't use no. So you mix oils together. Flare on it. Yeah. This man's a. This man's a scientist. He worked in the lab. He's a chemist when it comes to his beard. Yo, we could tell. We could tell. We could tell. Call him at the wrong time. I can't do it. I'm in the lab right now. I was talking to my brother one day about. About beard, like, ingredients, bro. I was like, what the. What is going on? Do you know anything about very intricate jojoba oil? Yohaba? I knew he was gonna correct me. O, J, O, J, O, B, A. What is that? It's a natural. What is it made out, yo? Haba bark or something? Nah, go ahead. Come on, man. Come on. No, you don't talk. Come on, learn us. He just want to troll in the back. That's what he want to do. Yeah, he does. He want to sit amongst 50 of it. Yo, talk about the. A lot of natural oils I use to help promote hair growth. Better skin, to keep the follicles open. Promote moisture, and some of those are. Oh, I can't. I don't give him my ingredients. Ask him. I don't. You don't. The only person. The only person I ever heard him actually say some of the things that he uses verbatim is my brother. But that's family. But anybody random, I'll give him the three basic ingredients, like Haitian castor oil, tea tree oil. No, I don't use rosemary. Rosemary, I don't like it. Has a strong scent. I don't like that. I kind of like the scent, though. You can sit back and bring that mic to you. Yeah, that same scent when you get in the. When the Uber. Yeah, yeah. You're good. You're good. I'm good. Right there. That same scent in the Uber car. I don't like that scent. They use strong rosemary. A lot of Indians. They use a lot of rosemary oil. For real. That scent's strong. It's not. It's not. I love rosemary in my cooking, I'll tell you that. A nice piece of steak with some rosemary on it. It's good. That's herby. That's why I like it. It has strong herbs. My dad's sister is named Rosemary, and I just. I hate her. So I. That ruined. That ruined the herb for me. So. Rosemary, I hope you watch. I walk. I hope you watch. Yeah, I hope. Hope she's not on this earth anymore, but I. Jesus, I'm not wishing harm on her. I'm just saying. I just. You know, I just wouldn't be upset if I found out she wasn't here anymore. Would it phase you? Wouldn't phase me. What did she. What? What did she do that she hated like that? I'll Break it down my. Here we go. We're going to get into a therapy session. Exactly. Segment. Aunt Rosemary, my father had. How many sisters does he have? He has four sisters. Four or five sisters. You can't keep track of like all the witches of the east, you know what I'm saying? Can't keep track of all of them. So when my parents got divorced, my father's side just were super nasty to me and my mom. Especially to me because I was my mother's son. That's crazy. My dad always took his family's side over my own. So my grandmother at the time used to like shut the door and make me stay in the basement when there were certain family things going. Like, it would be subtle, it wasn't all the time, but she'd be like, yeah, go downstairs and play and like shut the door. Because my dad had his apartment downstairs at the time because he was living with it with my grandparents at the time. So I would be forced to basically go downstairs and be by myself when they would have like get togethers and. Whatnot with the family. Just because your mom was technically an out, they didn't rock with you. They didn't like my mom because my mom divorced my father because he just was on a self destructive type of path and he wasn't a very good human being to be around. So they took that on you? They took that out on me when I was around, but they just hated my mom. Like during the divorce, they threw up a red X on my mother's front door. Like, they're just nasty human beings. They just suck. They just are nasty. But that shows you that could really affect the kid's childhood. Oh, yeah, no, it fucked me up. You know what I'm saying? It fucked me up. Somebody probably watching, probably going through. Yeah. What does a child have to do with. Yeah, that's the, that's the. That drives me crazy though. That's why I asked you. I was like, you really are a bad person when you start doing things like that. No, they're shy. They're shy. So. So I got along with one of his sisters. She was always okay, but they were all just equally. And at the head of that, at the head of the snake is his mother. So she was just always really just nasty. And I just, I just never, it was just never an enjoyment. And how, how old were you grandmother and grandfather? I used to call my father's side of the family. Well, I still do the grandparents because. I just, I call my grandma grandfather, mom and daddy for A while? No. Yeah, no, same same. My son is like when he sees. My mom, that's, that was basically my, my, my mother's father and, and mother. So my mom's side of the family I was super close with. I basically grew up as them. When did you start clocking this though? What do you mean? Like when did you start realizing like okay, I'm the, I'm the ugly duckling. I've you, you notice and you just don't want to be around them. But because your parents are split up. Like like how old, what age did you really and really realize like once. You started realizing like going back to your mom, like I don't think I want to go chill with dads. You know, it's not even a matter of like I don't want to go chill with dad. It's just I would come back a different person. I'd be nastier. I'd be like mean and angry because. I should be hurt. I dealt with all weekend there. Well you were pent up and it. Was, and it was unrestricted. My dad wouldn't take me to do do really any exercise or anything like that. He'd buy my affection a lot of times buy me the newest Pokemon or the newest like video games just. And feed you crazy. Feed me like crazy. And that's why I gained all my weight when I was younger. That's why at, at, at 10th grade I was 270. Bro. That's 270 in 10th grade. No, remember he, he was saying that he, he ended up losing almost £100 to do. Well I was 270 in 10th grade. I thought that was later on now. Well, I was 270 in 10th grade. Then I dropped down to 190 in senior year. 11 10th to 11th grade that summer I dropped from 270 down to 190. What you do I would do. Truthfully I did like a keto diet. Before I even knew what keto was. I was doing like ham and cheese roll ups for lunch. I was walking the track, I was playing a ton of handball. Like I was just, I was active. I was just doing a lot and my body just sucked it up. Like literally just got crazy. It was, it was, it was what? It was quite the transformation. And then a couple years later I started dating my, my long term girlfriend at the time got comfortable, stopped training as hard. Like I just, I was hanging out with her eating, you know, just like first relationship man fast sells boop explained it. And then I just, and then I went up to 240 when I was. By the time I was in college. So now it was 240. And then we broke up, and I just said, all right, it's time to, like, get back on. So I went from 240 to 150 in a year to compete on. On stage. Wow. So, yeah. Yeah. So it shows you, though, no matter what life throws at you is how you really try to approach it, because you. What you. What you learned from it. Yeah, it's like, a lot of options. It's not a loss. It's really more like a lesson. A lot of obstacles are faced in terms of, like, even the closest thing is affection. Right. We could all. You could tell someone who lacked affection growing up. Like, you could tell from, like, you said, you would come back aggressive. You'd come back this. Because you just. You're holding all that in. And my mom was grounded, man. I'm very lucky. My mom was mom and Dad. I mean, you both have met. Your mom is amazing. Yo. If she wasn't like that, I would have been way different than I. And how'd she cope with it? Because, of course, a mom, unfortunately, my mom had to be a career woman. So because she didn't have a man to, like, support in that aspect of just being able to raise the child or whatnot, she had to, like, go above and beyond in terms of, like, money making, you know, constantly working. So, I mean, there were plenty of times where I grew up literally sleeping on my mom's office floor. Like, I would just be there all night. I'd be sleeping all the time in her office. And your relationship with your pops now, how was that? I haven't spoken to my dad in over a year. Wow. Yeah. My dad has multiple sclerosis. So he's been sick since my entire time that I've known him, like, since I was born. So he has Ms. He lives down in Freeport. I don't know if he's still alive. I'm pretty sure he is. It's sad to think that I just. I don't care. My breaking point has been just listening to his nasty rhetoric about my mom for years when my mom. Yeah, you can't do that. When my mom. When my mom is not a saint, but she has broken her ass for years to stay afloat. Yeah. And he's wasted a lot of money in the divorce, like, making her drag out the proceedings and all this shit when he didn't have to. Like, that money could have went to me later on, you know. What I'm saying, she could have saved all that money. She even says that all the time. She's like, that could have went to Nick, but instead, almost 100 grand in fees of court hearings and whatnot. Yeah, he dragged it out. He wouldn't sign paperwork. He's a dick. My dad is a very stubborn human being. The problem inherently with my father is he doesn't know how to be a dad. That was his problem. Got you. Like, I see Jay with his kids, pushing them, being a beacon of, like, masculinity for his son and strength for his daughter. That's something that a lot of families, number one, don't have. But looking from the outside in from me, which I really had, no father, technically, you look at that, you're like, damn, what would that have been like if I had a dad that pushed me a little bit? Now, listen, my dad was sick. He couldn't do a lot of those things. Yeah, yeah. So I. It's also the mentality and the energy. Correct. Like, I could understand. I could understand some things. Like, I used to get upset because my dad couldn't, like, throw a baseball with me. Like, that hurt for a long time because I see the other dads that could. And I was watching my father get progressively worse. I was watching him have to lift his own leg up in the car to hit the brake pedal when he was driving. Got you. I watched him start to. That's dangerous. Very dangerous. I started to. I watched. He was an iron worker. He could. He started. He had Ms. And he started. You sleep while you drive. Same. Almost died twice. He told me, that's dangerous. It's crazy. I could picture tomorrow too. I could fix it tomorrow too. That day was. Nah, he don't. He don't say my fault. He tried to act like nothing ever. Nah, nah, I ain't gonna fight there. So you still have the car? It was one time we. We drove from ac and I hate to say this, we drove from. I picked everybody up. We drove all the way to ac. We, Ed. Fought, you know, ring of combat. And then that goes on till 2 o'clock in the morning. So Ed for chill. After we went, we ate afterwards. I was like, you know what? I got work early in the morning. Let's go, let's hit the road. We get in the car, we driving. Why did you just let one of them drive? Hold on. Yeah, that's. He needed his. I'm driving. I'm thinking, I'm all right. He needed his third driving. All of a sudden, there's nobody on the road. All of a sudden, I'm just like. And I drift off, I hit the. And I jump up. And I said, damn. You see Nigga trying to roll me off the road. That shit crazy, son. I'm up and I'm sitting there like. Son, you about to hit the turnbuck, dude about to hit the turnbuckle, yo. Ain't no other lights or nothing. You know Russ? Who? Russ. Russ Knob. He sleep cave. Was it that time, too? Yeah, it was, because I never had to switch. No, it stayed. Cause he was out there. He was out there. Tire rip, the tire. Yeah. We ended up getting a flat. We pulled over. Yeah. So after that, he was like, yo, pull up. I'll drive. I said, all right. Bet. I get in the car, sit down, we driving. I'm like, yeah. Finally. I'm actually closing my eyes right now. Fab. Look, wide awake. I had to close my eyes. Tire bus. So then my other man in the. Back seat, he sleep the whole time. Yo, when I took my sleep, never woke up. We pulled over, changed the tire. Changed the tire, Jacked the car up, change the tire. Had his car door open the whole time. Yeah, yeah. Knocked out the whole time, put the car back down. Boom, boom, boom. We driving. He wake up. Yo, we almost there. We bamboo. I'm like, yo, we had to change the tire and everything. He said, what you mean? You should walk me up to help you. I was like, God, you were sleeping so nice. The door was wide open. We was making noise. I had to empty my whole trunk. To get the Jayce hitting the side of the car with the jack, trying to wake him up. Was he really knocked, though? That's the question. Cause, you know, sometimes you see that. Yeah, he had one eye. Yeah. He didn't want to change the tire. Nah, I don't know. I think he was asleep. I think he was asleep. What time of year was it? This is now. It wasn't cold. Cause I had on the T shirt. He had that sleep apnea, snore. I was outside the car, changing the tire. With a T shirt. Yeah. I don't care about. I don't like the cold. Like, it was like March, April. Yeah. Car sleep. Car sleep. On top of that door open, lifting. Was he a big dude? Yes. Yeah, he a big dude. Nah, he didn't work out with us. No, no, he's a big dude, but he didn't work out with us. Oh, he said lifting. No, no, no. You guys. Lifting the whip eyes. Changing the tire. Mass shaking going on you trying to tell me you ain't feel that? Nah, it's not happening. I don't know. Zeus, come to the light. Zeus, come to the light. You get reported for some problems. I don't think. I don't think. I think he was just knocked out. Nah, he definitely hit y'all one of these. But maybe. Yeah, so, yeah, I definitely fell asleep on the road that one time, and. You were sitting in the back. You. You sitting in the back moving, bro. What? Watching me. He was watching me sleep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Watching me sleep. No, son, Sleeping. Oh, yeah. Whole time. Normally, if I'm. If I'm falling asleep, my body jumps like crazy. You get the jump, I get the crazy. My whole body flares like crazy. Flinch. Yeah. Yeah, but that's a response. I went to sleep easy. That's a natural response. Yeah, your body does. To, like. Because it thinks that you're getting so relaxed so quickly. It thinks that you're almost, like, dying. Yeah. It sends this signal throughout your body. That is crazy. Sometimes that happens. Like, especially. You're like, oh, I must knock Fab out in the car. Once I was in the passenger side. He's driving. I'm falling asleep. At the Barclays. Yeah. Why would that. You know, I was falling asleep. I'm driving. Because he fighting his sleep, fighting his demons, right? Yeah, well, he only gets. He only gets 20 minutes a day. So you twitching. I feel like everybody twitching, but it's not a regular. It's a. It's like a. But we in the car. So I'm driving. He just. So I'm like, yo, what music playing did. I'm like, yo. But now he's snoring, so I'm watching. No, I'm watching while I'm driving. Hands come grab his. Yo, son, you bugging the out. Like, come on, son. I'mma hit you, son. For real. I'm knocked out. I'm knocked out. I don't know where I'm going. He don't hear me. So I had to wake him up. So I called Big baby, like, yo, son, Jamal, and I'm making. I'm dropping him off on the Jackie Robinson right now. Son, come get him. If he hit me again, I'mma. Violator. Just lean him up against the. The divider. Like, what you do when you sleep next to the kids? You don't. Well, no, my kid. My kids, they sleep with pants. They'll literally be like this. They'll be like, well, they know now I've scared them before by mistake. Like, that's just how I wake up. If you were like, yo, daddy. I'm like, what the fuck? Who's here? That's. That's just how I get up. I get up like that almost killed his old kids. My. My babies would be crying. I'm like, oh, my God. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Now they come in and they'd be like, they'd be like this daddy. And I'm like, huh? They're like, can I get in bed with you? And I'm like, yes, yes, come on in. And it. But straight fear, bro. Yeah, I nah, I twitch. I talk a lot in my sleep, though. I once. I be talking a lot in my sleep. I'll be having full blown combos, bro. I'll be at. My mom recorded me once too. Wife, you recorded me once too. I be talk like. I be full blown conversation. Like, yo, you was bugging out and I'd be cursing. I'm like, what? And one time I heard it and it's a full blown conversation. One time I was talking about a soccer game. You know it was you. My soccer. You know it was you. No, I'll be hearing the conversations and I'm just like, yo, bro, this really me knocked out. And one time. Sometimes I wake up and I see crumbs on the table. Sleep eating. I be sleep eating a lot. Damn, that was a bad habit. I had to. That's why sometimes I used to cut snacks from the crib. Brownie crumbs on the table, Ritz crackers, peanut butter, peanut butter, spoon counter. He's got ambiguity. You sure you asleep? He was asleep. You know that feeling when you had a sugar in the middle of the night and it just. Yeah. Wifey wakes up, he's got a little. He's making s'mores with a little fire. Pause that. But you know, you. You know what I mean. Like, I don't know what you mean. You definitely know what it is. I've never done that. When it hit the palate. Now Fab has no idea. I've never done Fab definitely know when you hit the palate. No. Nah, man. Fab just capping. He just capping for never know what you're talking about. Fab is just tasseling. Come on, goy beef at 2a. Not capping. I walked in, just. We came. I said, yo, what's going on with the tassel? Yeah, he's tasseling n the tassel's fire. You violate mongolia beef at 2am I'm. Saying, why are we Doing this podcast here. We should be doing this in like, you know, Dubai or something. Yeah, for real. Come on. You walk around with that ting all the time. He be going to Sparta with that, right? And I used to. When we used to go to Bevs, I always had that head wrap on. I got mad videos like that. Yeah. So I'm saying he been. Had the tassel on today's just a little tassel, a little extra. He. He clipped on an extra few. It's clean, though. He got it for me. He added a couple. He added a couple for the camera. Stitched them on and everything. You gotta do it for the. Nah, but, yo, I really like what you said with the. With the whole growing up stuff, because someone probably out there definitely listening to. This and probably going, they need that. And they need that going through the same. Because they probably going through the same. And it's like that feeling because that we have kids, so we know that feeling. Like once with my son, I'm so protective. It's like, yo, like, sometimes I worry, like when he grow up, when he go to school and someone try to say something. Just his feelings. So I could feel for you. Like, damn, how you at a gathering, like, yeah, go play downstairs. And you just shut the door. Like, that's isolation. Yeah, that's like, you're a Cyclops, baby. I want nothing to do with you. Yeah, yeah. Dealt with a lot, man, over the years. My dad would just. His best friend, who will go unnamed. His best friend had a son about the same age as me and just like, want to talk about more. Like the dude who never grew up from high school. Like, he was the varsity team. Like, this guy just could never get past. Like, that was his peak. And I seen the TikTok about that the other day. Shot. That's homeboy from. From the show that. That I was send videos of Al Bundy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that same. Same rock. Like. And. And his son was just a piece of shit. But my father would go and obviously talk shit about me, my mom, to them. And then he would come to school. They would. I wasn't even in school with him. I would just be like, we just get together and he just always have something to say. Or they'd say something nasty about my mom. Or they'd be like. Or they'd be like. They'd be like, your last name isn't Rizzo. Like they'd say to me, because that's my mom's last name. Yeah, we. My dad's last name is on my Government id. I don't use it. Rizzo is my mom's last name, which is on my government id, too. So when I started really just calling myself Nick Rizzo, it's funny because, like, before college, it was. Because it was high school still. Every, you know, Best Buy, I used to work at Best Buy. I had a couple jobs. Everybody called me. Pooya is my other last name. So after that, though, it was like the distance between my dad and I just continued to grow. And then I was just like, all right, Rizzo. I'd rather carry on my grandfather's last name than my dad. So that's kind of the route that I've always just been on. So, you know, they used to, like, message me like, yo, your last name is Rizzo. Like this and that. Like any. Any out of pocket shit. They would just, like, try to, like, dig in random shit. So Rosemarie, the one that I don't like, one of my last straws with her was my dad was sick in the hospital. I was calling my dad every single day. I just didn't go down and visit him because he lives in the South Shore. I was busy with work, but I called him every day and I spent. I'd be on the phone with him for about an hour. Not because I had to, because I wanted to check up on him, see how things were. And he was fine. She messaged me this whole nasty thing. You're fucking disgusting. You should be down here by your father's side. Fuck you like all this shit. Okay, that's crazy. But no one was by my side when I was. Yeah, nobody's at my side. You locked me in the basement, fam. So that was kind of the last straw. And I've talked about. And I'll say it for this just for, like, the refresher for people that haven't heard it. So it was. I would. I used to call my dad daily. I wouldn't go visit him every time because he's down in Freeport. And I just. I have a lot of shit to do. But I'd call him daily and just see how he was doing. Once again, it was always a struggle. My dad and I don't really have anything in common. We don't really have. But you tried, though. I tried. I try to watch videos with him. I try to, like, make him laugh. I try to show him things that, like, I'm doing the bodybuilding he was, like, somewhat interested in. He'd ask me about, like, fitness and whatnot. But, like, other things. I Try to, like, include him on that I was getting into. And he would just be like, yeah, I just don't really care. Like, okay. Like, you know, just kind of like dealing with that shit. Yeah, it was very cold, man. Very cold. So I. We were talking and my mom and my. My aunt's husband passed away a long time ago. My mom's sister, and that's the only sibling that she has. So it was like, right by Thanksgiving of 2023, I think now. Yeah, 2023. It was like two days before Thanksgiving. And so we're taught. Him and I are talking and he's like, what are you doing for Thanksgiving? I said, oh. I said, I'm going to go to Angela's house. I said, you know, mom, grandma, everybody cooking this and that. And he just goes, oh. He's like, oh, wow, the Rizzo sisters are actually going to get off their asses and do something. I was like, bro. I was like, leave it alone, son. I was like. I was like, yo, where have you been? Like, my entire life, they've done all the cooking, so. Oh, no. When I was around, I go, when were you around, mom? And you got divorced? When I was two. What were you around two years before that? When were you around? And he starts, like, you know, backpedaling a little bit. And I said, and he. And he. And he starts saying some more out of pocket shit. And my response was, and it's unfortunate that I had to go this route so you. But I had to speak to my father like another grown ass man that I don't know. And I said, let's just be very clear about something. You always got something to say about my mom. You always got something to say about my grandmother, my. My aunt, shit like that. I said, going forward. I said, you watch your fucking mouth. Like, I'm not playing with you. I was like, I'll come down there, I'll slap the shit out of you. I said, I'm not playing. Going on and on. I was like, yo, you understand me? And he's like, he's not. I said, no, no, no. Like, this is. This is when you answer. I was like, this is when you say, I understand, Nick. I go, I don't play that shit. I go, don't speak about my fucking mother like that ever again. I said, you got it? He goes, got it. That was it. That was it. I haven't spoke to him since. He hasn't reached out. He followed me randomly on TikTok a couple months ago. Like six months ago, five months ago. You're not a man, bro. You're not even gonna reach out, say, hey, yo, listen, you gonna drop this snippet on TikTok? I fucked up. I'll drop this on fucking TikTok, I don't give a fuck. What's he gonna do, send some of his beta nephews after me? The fuck out of here. Hate and nephews, I mean, when they. Walk in, they see Jamal and Fab. Maybe Meal, they'll try to do something. They see Jamal and Fab, I don't think anybody doing anything. Maybe me, they'll try to bully us a little bit, but we'll be all right. I still got something to take. Still got it. You still got to keep it yours. We ain't forget. We ain't forget. Still got something to take, you know. Listen, man, at the end of the day, like, just to like. It's unfortunate that that's what my childhood was. However, it did show me what I don't want to be. Should I become a father one day? I don't want to be like that. I want to lead by people. I want to be a strong influence for my children. I don't want to be like this non existent dude. That's. I mean, you can't be. You can't. Well, but you can be because there are so many. You can. But I'm telling, I'm telling you, you can't be. You can't be. If you really love your children and you want the world to succeed, you can't be like, I probably feel the same way. All we say is to do it. Go ahead. Some more weak minded kids. Weak minded kids on the way here. That's what I'm talking about. I can't. I can't stand that. That's one thing I cannot stand. You want more Coca Melon and iPad Kids? Nah. Yeah, line them up right. We need more of those in the world. No, I don't know how it is. IPad is low key. I mean, we'll get into that conversation. It's not a digging. It's not a dig at people that utilize it. You could use it in a very. Good idea to sweat drip off his forehead. I swear I'm not that dad. Like, yo, here's the iPad and just walk away. No, you can't be. It's more. So there's a lot of information on YouTube, bro. Especially for kids. That's why there's YouTube. What'd you do, Ms. Rachel? No, no, Ms. Rachel. A different. Yeah, you know, I heard Ms. Rachel's good. But I do, for example, mostly Arabic stuff, right? Because I want him to learn culture, learn roots. So obviously, at home, we all speak Arabic, but with his mom, he don't. He. He really don't. She don't speak Arabic. So it's like, I don't want that separation gap, too, where it's like, okay. Like, he's missing out on that. So I try to put that in front of him just to get an idea, because this is the age where they're, like, spongy. Yeah. They sponge. You know that. It's the age where, like, everything old. Is he now, he fooled. Other day, I dropped the egg, and I was stressed. And he comes up to me, he goes like, it's okay, dude. Bro, I had the best day of my life. Yep. I swear to God, I had the best day of my life. The mere fact my son just told me, it's okay, dude. First of all, I don't know where the hell he learned dude from, but you got it. And the way he said it, he looked at me, you know, the chief is out now. It's okay, dude. And I was like, for him to tell me, it's just the egg. Life moves on. That's from a child. You could still learn from children. Yep. So that's why I'm not. That's exactly what my son did. Zion literally one day was talking about. He was looking at something on YouTube, and he was explaining it to me, and he was like, but he's a Beta. And I said, what? He said, yeah, he's a Beta. He was like, yo, Sigma life. I said, what are you talking about, Sigma life? Yeah. And I was like, all right, whatever. But he. But it's. It's. You know, I'm a very stern, and I'm not, like, crazy strict, but I don't like weakness. Yep. Like, I really don't. I don't like stupidity, and I don't like weakness. And ironically, a lot of that's. A lot of that starts. What you laughing at? You definitely don't. You don't like stupidity. You don't like weakness. I don't at all. It'll drive me crazy. So with my kids, I'm starting to. Start at the home, though. I'm rough, but at the same time, I give them a lot of affection. Yeah. And like, you said it. Russell said it. A lot of people that don't know me aside from, like, Fab. Fab's like, this is family. Right? So he knows me around my kids. He knows my Kids like he knows me overall, but the people that don't know me around my kids, like the first time you ever seen me with my kids and Russell and stuff like that, you guys said the same thing. And it makes me feel great, like I'm doing a good job, but I'm always in fear there's gonna come an age when, you know, they get older teenagers and they're not gonna wanna hang out with me no more, right? And I'm like, damn, fuck am I gonna do? You know what I'm saying? These are my little motherfuckers right here. I really love hanging with them. I love having them around. Because right now, even if we're having a conversation here, you know, my kids will be where right here, engaging the whole time, having a conversation with you, talking, soaking it all in, right? And I'm like, one day it's gonna change. And one of my cousins said, you know what? I don't think so. He's like, your kids want to be around you for different reasons than most kids just want to be around their parents. Most parents want to. Kids want to be around their parents because they want the attention and they are trying to soak in as much affection as possible. You give them all that they still want to be around because they're soaking in their learning, right? And it's so important for us as fathers and as men to continue that. I mean, like I see the kids that I train and the kids that I work with and the kids that my children go to school with and they are soft. But not only just soft physically, but I'm talking about like soft minded. Everything is just complaining. They lack the problem solving skills that we ended up having back in the day because we were, we were, we, we had to struggle to make things work. And I hate that shit. I can't stand it. It's all part of the upbringing. And that's like, that's my course now. It's more so the stuff I could have, I could have avoided when I was younger, you know what I'm saying? That's the stuff that I could have probably do it. My boy said tissue he needed. That's like when I was raising my son, he was very weak minded and emotional. Why are you laughing? I'm being serious. So when I first found out, oh. I'm one of the most strong minded individuals you ever met. Was it someday? Someday. How you get there? How you get there? How you get there? Exactly. Some days, some days you have patches, you know, and fab, fab for some reason, he had bulletproof. You don't have patches, right? He had a few patchy ears. Yeah. Crustables. Yes. Every time you come, you have a rough day. You can't come here. I have a rough day. Was good. I just gotta eat crustables. You just eat crustables and brisket. You had a few patchy ears, though. Like. Nah. Sometimes you get the emo runs, you know? If Fab was there, you ran for like three years though, though. That's crazy. My boy said weak Egyptian son. My boy said weak Egyptian son. That's crazy. Weak Egyptian son is not. Nah. It just his upbringing. I wasn't there for from 0 to like 10. So once he came a teenager, he came to America, I was able to be more hands on. I got him. Right. I appreciate Uncle Fab. I'm a daddy fan, baby. Appreciate you so much for saving my life. You're welcome. Nah, Fab was definitely good influence. It was always. Again, both of these men was just always straight. There's a difference between what your father's gonna tell you and there's a difference team when you got a small circle and what they gonna tell you. And that's something we. I feel like I value with both of them or just certain crew in general. It's just like, sometimes you need to hear that raw answer in life, and I don't know if somebody else is hearing that or somebody else needs that. Sometimes that raw answer is gonna take you from this level to that. I think everybody needs the raw answer. Everybody needs the raw answer. Sometimes even the person giving the raw the wrong answer. And that's how we were like, the wrong answer will be here. And then it would be another situation that we would assess amongst each other and speak about it and we would direct. I'll be like, nah, you got to do this, bro. That's just the reality of it. Yeah. Because just like how you look out for me, I'm have to look out with you with the reality. So I feel like a lot of circles lack. Yeah, there's a lot of people like that. They. They try to. Oh, I don't want to hurt sugar coat. Well, that's what they're. Yeah, I'd rather hurt your person. Yeah. As your man or what it is pussification. I would rather hurt you. Your feelings by. You should hurt my feelings coming from you. Exactly. Hurt your feelings. Exactly. Exactly. Well, that. Well, a lot of guys don't think. That I'd rather you. They'd rather just tap dance around like the Actual advice that they have to give. Just don't lie to me. I've always given my. I've always given my boys. I've always given, like, my. My even family. I've always given them the hard truth when it comes down to it. Like, it. It is what it is. Like, just. I. I can't. Yo, crazy. What are you about to say? No, I. One day we were in the gym, and I definitely had an off day. And I leave right in my mind. I have an off day, yo. So I'm driving home, you being real pussy. I get home later on at night, I get a message. I look down, it's fab. I go to click the message, and it's a voice note. It's not even a message, like a written. It's a voice note. And I'm like, this nigga, I'm never leaving voice notes, all right? I'm like, yo, he lost. He's something wrong. I click it. He was like, yo, he discovered a new feature. He was like, yo, discovered a new feature. I gotta tell you, man. What was the pussy. I'm not gonna lie to you, bro. He was being mad pussy today. He was a whole pussy today in the gym, bro. I'm not gonna hold you. I'm not gonna hold you, son. I gotta let you know, he had. An old U moment. He just mad emotion. Oh, you is crazy, son. Owed you, ho. Why you act like. First of all, when we first met, I really wasn't that emo, so I moved like I was like, on some. I see shadows in my room. You move like. I used to pull up on you like that. What was your go to line? Oh, we want risk injury today, every day. Oh, risk injury. Yo, who came like. Yo, who came in? Oh, I was walking down the stairs. He did. He did say this. He screwed his leg up. I said. I said, brother, it's all good. Because he was working away when he first came. Never, never, never we come in. Used to be sitting there talking to himself in the mirror, yo. Oh, I come in. I come in. It's all good. Cried that first workout, right? Yo, hit me up like a baby. Never, yo. Hit me up. Never a man can make me cry. You had a rough day. You had a rough workout the day before. First thing. Yo, let's leg press. I sound good. Yeah, we gonna warm up three plates. For 50 reps. That's too much. Ah, brother, you gotta stay. You can't be. Even my ligaments. That's what I'm saying. All of a sudden, it's eight plates. He was being nice. Let's do 30 reps. He was being nice, my brother. This is not realistic. I can't even do the three for 50. What's gonna make me do that? Yo, you beat emojis. Ah, brother, let me. Let me break my leg at this point. Have you ever seen. Have you ever seen me train with them? Nah, I just film them. I'm out, bro. There was one time. That's just scheduling. I'm gonna never forget this day. There was one time we had the gym I go to now. Kings and Queens. It used to be called retro, bro. One time we had the whole gym just stopping and watching. We had 16 plates on the leg press. It's too much for rep. Fab is talking about 20. It was 20. 10 and 10 here for 20 reps. Oh, there you go. Even worse. Superset with squats with one play on. The squad, and he's 25 on the slack. And you know what's sad though, Nick? Tell me. He did it, but he did it. I can't bend over get shit no more. At this age, I really can't. My legs is not the same. That's your posterior, wallahi. My legs is not the same. Hey, you want to hear something funny? That's a weak posterior chain. Hey, you know what? You know what I get told? You know what I get told? It's cause you emo a weak son. Ah, brother, my fault. He was negative before the set. That's how. Yeah, I kinda gotta say yeah, the. Supplements, we can get you to fix that. But this day, son, we had a plate on the ball. Now, you know he don't. All right, go ahead. I'm gonna let him tell this shit. Nah, go ahead. It's the truth. I had a fucked up day, bro. I really did. And I gotta tell you right now, out of all the years of my life, that gotta be one of the most fucked up days I ever had. And that's cool. But what was the issue, though? I'm good with that. What was the issue? This. It was all mental. Nah, I don't think it's more mental. No, no, no, for me, I'm telling. You, for me, it's 135. Here's the thing. Bent over, bro. Bro, let me tell you right now, let me tell you right now, that. One time I went to do back with y'all and I got bodied by a girl. You're not gonna talk about that. Yo, let me. Let me tell you right now, this was this Was the whole. This was the whole. He's slipping now. That was mental. That was meant. Because that's what I'm saying. Like, there's no way. Jamal, go get body. I got body by. By now. Nah, but that was mental. It's context to that. Like. No, no. So what happened was we was doing a warmup and we were saying, this is gonna be our new warmup, right? So we would go through our shoulder routine like we always do for the warmup. And after each shoulder routine, we would go over to the bar. We would start with one plate and do renegade rows, bent over rows, right into deadlift with the same bar. How much was the rep range we were doing? With one plate, it was 10. Rep was 20, 20. No, with one plate it was 20. 20, 20 to start. Well, that day was 10, 10. Hold on. I did 10, 10 and 10. I was fucking up, my knees already aching. But either way, it was bent over rolls, renegade, bent over rolls regular, and then right into a deadlift. Same bar, same weight, nonstop. That was the first set of the warmup. Second set, we go to 185. Third set, we go to two plates. Fourth set, so on and so forth. We would get to the point where we were doing bent over rows, Renegade with 315. Bent over rows, 315. Deadlift 315. And that was. That was the, the, the. The. The fifth sequence. That's what we were doing. One day I came in there. I was in my bag, bro. I. We did it deep in the bag. I'm not gonna lie to you. You know what I'm saying? You ain't never seen me weak in all the years. You. You know me. Never. I went out there, he seen it one time. Cool. That was the day I'm doing. I get through. I only do 10 reps of the one plate, renegade, bent over rose deadlifts. I put the bar down. I'm like, yo, damn, man, I can't. This, bro, you know, but going on. Man, how the fuck. Nah, beating me like this. But hear me out. Something ain't right. It wasn't just. This is my thing, though. It's okay to go through that. Yeah, it's okay. The 135 once in a while. No, no, no, no. We do not promote. We do not promote mediocrity. And that was. Listen, that's what you got to be right here, son. That's what it is right here, son. That 135, I get it. But at the end of the day, he's a group. What Is that. Do not. It's. I think it's okay, though, bro. You're not going to be. I'm falling off a building. I got. LeBron. Don't win every final. He don't win every game. If it was four plates. Don't matter. I ain't LeBron, Jamal. Okay. This is what I do, bro. Yo, if it was four plates, maybe even 315, I might have gave him a pass. It's a foggy mental day if you doing this consistently. He been working out for 40 years. Then that's not okay. Yeah, so let's break that down for a hot second. Come on, son. How many days? Let's put it like this. How many years you been training? 45, right? That's crazy. He not even. It's a range between 42, 47. Okay, so I say 45. Okay. All right, so 45 years. Jamal, how old are you? 47. 58. Oh, you wasn't in for the first party at the gym? He had the liftoff party. Taking anything with 50. He about to be 60. Yeah, 58, Jamal. Esque. Anyway. Anyway. So out of how many years you've been training. Not 45. Since he was 13. I've been training since I was 13 years. Okay, that's 45 years. Yeah. So. So this is the one time. Yes. And I. But now, check it out. Now I leave, and in my head, I'm just like, yo. In my mind, I'm like, yo, come on, what's going on here? He's. And I. And I began to tell myself, yo, it's all good. Just like, good for 58. Just like the movie players up, too. Today wasn't my day. Came back, I was willing to let it be. He went back to the gym that night, didn't he? But I've never, ever let myself be. He should have. Dude. When I came back after my surgery, if I couldn't do something, bro, what would I be doing? I'd be in the back room by myself in Sparta, cursing myself the fuck out, wilding out, bro, to the point where you walked in the back like, yo, Ma, you just got out of surgery. I would curse you the fuck out. My kicking your stomach. Leave me alone. Get out. Glad I met him in Leave me alone. Straight up. So. So I was willing to be like, yo, you know what? I'm. I'm. It's all good. I'm allowed to have a bad facts. It's okay. Well, if you've been working 45 years, 135 pounds, why don't you say 45 though? Stop doing the 45. Give me time. He said. He just said it. He missed woken up since he was 13. Yeah. You see his straight face? He's great. He's great. He's awesome. So as a grown man, you work out seven days a week, risk injury, 45 years, 135. Or any exercise should never phase you. Now. He's 100% right. No, I agree with you. I agree with it. There's days where you come in and. What you do the day before, it's a fucked up moment, bro. You get

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15, you have your days where it ain't moving. 135. And you sleep. You got bodied by a chick before. No, excuse me, I did. So, so basically. So basically I. And it's his favorite muscle group. Well, second favorite muscle group. Back day. Exactly. Legs and anyway, either way. So I basically was willing to give my own self a pass. And as I'm doing that, I get a message. Fab just did. He had that telekinetic Fab was like. Yo, yo, how does it feel to you? Light. What are we talking about? That's different context. You did that? Yeah, I had to see in the mirror. I was struggling. But now, see, there's this. So now here he is. I get the message from this dude and I wasn't even thinking. I get the message from this dude. And he was like, yo, my man, you was. You was a whole today, bro. What the fuck is that? I never seen that. You need to chill, bro. No edit turn up. Yeah. So boom, I'm putting this on TikTok. I'm putting. I'm putting all four of our faces one after the other, just. I never seen that before. Hung up the phone and I hit him back. I said, yo, I bet you right, you 100% right, good looking. I needed that next day. No, no. At that point, I sat there and I was like, yo, why did I feel this way today? There's no fucking way this should have beat me. And I was like, you know what? Something's wrong. Something's wrong with me, yo, it's gotta be. But I was determined to find out what was wrong. Not to mention I was drinking a thousand milligrams of caffeine. When I was drinking caffeine, I didn't realize. And it dehydrates. You having. Having baby panic attacks. I didn't even why I don't drink caffeine like that. But all of a sudden, I think it was bang Came out with a flavor

that had that I liked. I got up at 4:00 in the morning. 3: 1:17:32

45 in the morning, like cherry vanilla. Drank a bang pussy pink lemonade. Oh, that's what I want to make, bro. I'm telling you right now. My next. My next flavor is pussy pink lemonade, bro. I'm telling you, bro. He's just gonna say, pussy pink grapefruit. Pussy pink grapefruit. There we go. So I'm like, you see those videos. Of those fat chicks fucking? I'm sitting there and I'm like, yo, you know what? It's the caffeine, you hear? But it's like. I'm like, I'm not drinking caffeine no more. We gonna go in and we gonna see. So I was like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna tell Ed to come down and hold pass for me. I'm gonna kickbox. I'm gonna do some strong man in between. I'm gonna push myself to see if it's really something wrong with me or if it's all mental. Oh, this is that same day you told this? Yeah, well, it wasn't the same day, but he wasn't the same day. But right after that, that day, I was like, nah, man, something's up. Cause that day first. But I needed this. I needed the truth and I needed it raw. I don't need somebody to be like, yo, Ma, but, yo, son, you the man. You could. You did this. It's okay to have an off day. I don't need that. That doesn't work for me. I'm dead ass. I have the worst to be speaking to, son. Well, yo, when you was kickboxing, we was training, right? And you was just like, yo, son, you know that. That time I had to fight in Madison Square Garden, you know? Shit, I wish you was there. I needed the. What? Yeah, you needed me raw in your head, like, yo, son, come on now, stop playing. You know what I'm saying? Yo, that was crazy. It's. No, it's the truth. You need. You know how a lot of people say it's mental? I also think it's more heart. I think it's definitely more heart than mental. Cause the heart is what speaks to the whole body. Without the heart, your body's not focusing right. Your body's not gonna function. I put up a quote the other day. The work starts after the motivation leaves. It has to be here. I think there was times where I'll come in and just my, like, when we be working out with Fab and my heart was not about. It's not about the mind. If not I think, I think that's. Nah, that's man's mind. No, I think it's your heart. I think as you're on your way, you're like, you know, I ain't really sleep good. I ain't got this pre workout ain't hitting. It's also what your heart telling you. You know when you get your heart be telling you like a thing you be driving. What if your body's giving you the signals that it just ain't hit right this second? Cuz there's times when it does happen. There was times where Fab boy, pull. Them panties up and get out there. What if you wear a G string? What if you wear a G. It's. Exactly what I got my huggies on. Whatever it is I got my huggies on. Turn them backwards. N. What? No, I didn't say. I said what if you wearing a G string. Fab. You got tassels on. Fab. Don't make that face. Fab. Stop it. You wear a G string in the gym when he's working. Pause. Boy howdy. It comes to your mental wait because. Dudes be doing it. The bodybuilder dudes be doing it. How you know that they be talking about it? Because they could. They could. It don't feel uncomfortable. Film this too. That's why you never saw him bend over to pick something up. He always picked it up like this at a squad. Good for like a hex bar deadlift to really say. I really feel like it's all. It's of course mental, but the heart speaks to the mind. And I just feel like more so it's like, like that's when you would tap in. It's not always my mom, but you tap into Pause. You getting into me. I know it sounds crazy, but you. That's what Fab used to be getting crazy. And I'm just like, ah. Cause the body can go further than the mental. Because also sometimes I'm the type someone's keeping. Or it's a mental that pushes the body further. Well that's the thing. No, but I'm the type the body can endure more. It's your mind that's like I'm feeling the pain, the stinging. Yeah. Burning. But in terms of body not clocking. Goggins. Goggins says some shit. Anybody. When you start dying out, let's say you do 50, 100 reps or something. It start Burning. You feel the pain, but your mind, you're like, nah, keep going, don't stop. Your body still performs well. Another, it's the mental that was gonna stop you. Similar to that, if we get in the gym and you do something, I tell you to do 20 reps of it, and you get to 17, they'll start burning a little bit. You knock out the 20 you like, all right, I got to 20. But then this next week I'd be like, yo, you know what, listen, let's try to get a hundred straight. You like a hundred? You talking about? I'm like, listen, do what you got to do to get this 100 reps and you fail at 45. That is mental. That's not heart, that's mental. Your mental knew 20 was a number. So you started to feel some type of way at 17 and finish at 20. And you were good. But literally you had 37 in your, in the bag. You understand what I'm saying? So that's why I feel like David, I'm not a huge fan of, of Goggins like that, but he says he's an interesting cat. He says that, you know, when your body wants to stop, you're only at 40% of what your physicality. And that's the truth. Because your mind wants to stop. You remember, it starts to build up. What does lactic acid do? It cuts off the afferent efferent nerve connection from the muscle to the brain and the brain to the muscle. There you go, right there. That's where the brain telling your body to do something, all right? And your body's not getting it and your muscles aren't reacting, they're not answering the bell, right? But if you keep telling yourself this, you keep pushing. That's why sometimes when you don't count, it actually works. Productive. Like, not counterproductively for you, but productively. Think about training an athlete in the 40 yard dash. They'll run the 40 on their own and run a 4, 5. But I guarantee you, and they're pushing it, or they think they are. Then you tell somebody, here we go. Start on the line. I'm going to start fab five yards ahead of you. I need you to catch him or beat him. He's slower than you. You should be able to do it. Meanwhile, fab defines the same speed clock hits. He runs a four. Four. Why? Why? Now you're pushing yourself, now you're going that extra mile. Exactly. Sometimes you need a different motivation to find the gear. So if you can dig deep here Right. You'll find that extra gear. A lot of people can't dig deep. A lot of people. Literally, the moment the lactic acid sets in. Oh, damn. That was. All right, cool. Bet. I've been there. That's me. I've had many people. I've had many people. I've been there. I ain't bullshitting. I've been there. That's me. What's my. You got somebody. You got somebody in your area. Yo, come on, stop playing. Let's go. Two more, two more. Two more. Like my crew. And all of a sudden you got extra. How much extra reps in you that you didn't even. That you didn't even know. Meanwhile, by yourself, you'd have quit long time ago. I would have been in the sauna already. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta. I think. I think your mind is telling yourself. And if your mind is weak, your body's weak, you know what I'm saying? I'm sitting there. Just remember, even, like, how Navy SEALs train, that's more of a mental thing. It's more to. To control. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because the first thing is they're not trying to break you physically, they're trying to break. You mentioned. Yeah. The hours that they do in the. In the. In the early morning at Buds, especially, where they have everybody lined up and the waves are just hitting them over and over again. Cold as. Freezing cold. That's all mental hours, bro. They're out there hours. The waves just hitting them in the face. They're just. They have to. Just. Because then any. That. That makes the. Uncomfortable. Comfortable. Yes. And. Well, Bruce Lee stand. Bruce Lee saying, yo, learn to feel comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah, it just. It just. That's what's gonna make you. It just makes a normal occurrence that would normally suck like a flat tire. It sucks a lot less. Because you've been through worse. Yeah. You know, exactly. Exactly. You've already been through, you know, getting nearly damn, damn near drowned. It's like, oh, this ain't. We're good. That's why, you know, trainers, fighters, you could speak on that easily. You know, just the dudes that have been in the arena that have done it before that. That little. Those little things ain't nothing now. Perfect example. If you think you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose. Yeah, for sure. That's it. I have roll. That ain't hard. That's mine. Think about Roy Jones when he got knocked out by Antonio Tarver. He told his. He Told his cornerman while they were walking out, he was like, yo, I don't think tonight's my night. You're right. You're right. You went out with the same tenacity you did the rest of your career. You would have been good. You put it out there, and that was the energy you had, and that was in your mind. So the moment you get clipped, you're done. Your mind already told you. I'm not even supposed to be here right now. I don't feel right. I don't feel the way I used to. So you know what? Maybe tonight ain't my night. You can't go out there feeling that way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you could go. If you guys want to keep. You want to keep talking. It's whatever. No fans. Well, not fans, audience. I got it. I had three topics that I wanted to get to, but it's okay. Well, next time we'll do another one. Yeah, please. I gotta head out. We'll talk. Why? We'll talk. We'll talk. Yo, listen, Plug, just. Where can people find you? Social just. Y'all know where to find me. Underscore o ski. They do. You get what I'm saying now? They do. Underscore o ski. Top Chef in the building. Pop. Mr. Pop out for this one. Shout out the boys. My boy Jamal. My boy Fab in the building. We gotta run this back. We will. I feel like there's a lot on my chest I still got to hold down. There is, man. Let's do it. Tell the streets I'm back. That's all I'm gonna say. Tell the streets I'm back. That's all I have to say. That's a good ending. Yo, y'all keep talking. I'll see y'all. Yo, when you gonna start back working out? Oh, I don't want to just get shirtless in front of you. You good with that flavor? I love this. Okay, cool. I love the hospitality. Of course. Of course. You want one of the rain. You want one of the rains to go? Okay, cool. Yeah, hit me up. All right, later. Yeah, let me know about that. We were gonna talk. We were gonna talk about the. We were gonna talk about the McGregor. I want to bring up Yay. Because I wanted to get Jim Jamal's perspective real quick. Yeah. Going crazy with the. With this girl at the. At the event. You saw that shit? Nah. Oh, you didn't see that? What did he do? She had on. She was naked. Lack thereof. Oh. When Kanye brought the girl There. The ex he had. I heard she likes being naked. The girl he had before, she had a similar outfit on. Jesus. Yeah, he's dad. The girl he had before was a little thicker. I think it. I mean, I think it's a little extra, but it is what it is. Yo, is that ad real? Which ad? Oh, the. We can't say it. Yeah, we can't say it. Cause that's part of the Monetiz Demopho's. That's his ad. The Hitler thing, right? No, the one where he has one T shirt. In this, it's the hand with the middle finger up. Nah, in the hand is a. Is the. I think it's a star David. And then under it it says, yay. Oh, well, they're doing a cat. I don't know. Wait, who? Who? Hold on, let me, Let me think. Let me rewind. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I. For people that don't understand, Kanye did a. He did a Super bowl commercial where he's. Where he like said some, like, I spent all my money on. On this and this and that. Just go to my store and on his store. You saw that? No, no, I didn't see that. On his store was only one T shirt and it had the swastika. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Dude, he's bugging. Yeah, yeah, Nah, Crazy. So white tea with the other ads. Because of the shit he had said before about the. About the. Yeah, about Jewish people. Yeah, yeah, Just like, damn. Now here's what I find interesting about that. And interesting because it's fucked up. What I find interesting is the whole fact that you go into gospel singing and you're sitting here like, I'm a man of God and all this stuff, and you do shit like that. Now there is something called freedom of speech. Whether you agree with a guy or not. Like, you know, you could say shit, but there is that. Stuff like that. There is that very thin line of like. Now, come on, man. When it comes down to you're in. Sight, you're inciting, that type of. That is. That's. That's crossing the line. Now, I can't. I can't promote. I love the fact that he, He, He. He trolled Jada Pinkett Smith. But aside from that, what he said to her on Twitter was great, but, ah, man, I can't. That's how. Yeah, that's that, bro. Dude, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. But once again, anything promoting hate, I just don't like Exactly. But. But it links up to. Even if I don't like you, it's. Linked up to what you had said originally, which, like when we were talking earlier on about marketing and you say some out of pocket shit, you do some out of pocket things. Wait, the super bowl played that commercial? No, they didn't show the shirt. It was just him sitting there saying, go to my store. And then when you go to his store, that's what he was selling was, oh, wow. They didn't go to the store first. And before allowing them. Maybe the link wasn't. Nah, they. Of course they didn't care. They made the money. Well, I think he had. And I could be a thousand percent wrong because I didn't watch the whole super bowl to begin with, but I'm pretty sure he had all his merchandise up there. And then maybe when the ad finally ran, he. He switched it so all the shirts went down and it was just one. I would assume that that's what happened. It's smart, though. If that's what he wanted to get. Across, that's what he wanted to get. That's what he wanted to show. It's fucking crazy, dude. It's crazy what some people do just. But once again, it's crazy what people do just to stay in the limelight. But it's a video. I don't know if it's real, but it's like Adam Sandler. Oh, yeah. All the people. Mark Zuckerberg, if that. If that was wearing this. What? Yeah, White tea. Yeah, yeah. The hand with the middle finger up. Star David. So you saw it? I just. Yeah, I just find it. What is. But isn't. Yay him. Well, they're saying you. Because they're Jewish. Because they're Jewish. So it's a Star David. It's a middle. It's a hand, middle finger. Yeah, this is there. That was like a counter commercial that they made within the hand. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So everybody's went, wait a minute. That's the one that Drake was wearing it. Everybody. Those people wearing it. I don't know if Drake. Yeah. Was that. Was that a real commercial or was it. Matter of fact, 50 posted it, but he took it down off his account. Yeah, stuff like that. I don't know if it's real, though. Stuff like that. People start getting crazy with like, they start. They start really. I don't know if it's real or. AI, but 50 to take something down. Fuck yeah. For 50 to take something down, it's gotta be crazy. Yeah, I found that Very, very wild. I just. For me, it's like, you pray. You claim to be a man of God. You claim to be all these different things, and it's just like, come on, man. What are we doing? Kanye's a troll. Troll. But, yeah, I get it. But like, once again, like Jay said, inciting hate, inciting that type of. You can't be doing that. Because guess what? He wouldn't like it if people flipped it on him and they started hating, like, his people, his culture, something like that. He'd be the first one to stand up and be like, no, no, that. I feel like that's why he's doing what he's doing. Maybe because he feels. Well, now he feels. But. But, you know, now he'll be like, people have been, yeah, now he's a billionaire. Now he can afford to just do whatever the he wants. Kim's. Kim's been draining him dry. He just dropped his new. I don't even know why she. I'm not gonna get into that. It's all money. It's all money. She got her own money. What you need is. You don't give a. More is more. You always want. Exactly. It's. It's money that she don't have to spend. Two billionaires fighting over how much child support is hysterical. Hysterical. I could. I could. I couldn't. I couldn't get a measly $600 check or whatever the check was out of my dad for my mom when she Billionaires fighting over the child support, which is the amount of a Rolls Royce each month. That's crazy. Oh, my God. Different. Different. Different problems that I haven't had the luxury of having. But, yeah, I found that. I found that crazy. First off, I found that crazy with his girl. Like, I don't care who you are, who you girl is like that. Like, if you let your girl parade around out like that, you don't care about her. Like, that's my. I'm not. I'm not. I wasn't the first time on. Regardless, I don't share my. I. I don't like. I don't date community goods. Who was she? Who was she before him? I forgot. I can't remember the name of his ex, but she had a similar outfit. But was she a celebrity before she got with him? Oh, she was. No, not the ex. The girl she with now. The one that. The one that wore the outfit. I don't know. That's his girl now, right? Yeah. I pride myself on not following up anything. I don't really, I don't really pay. Much attention or Hollywood, because I just. Don'T really pay much attention. I just don't care. And I actually love seeing that Hollywood's actually kind of being dismantled at this point. People are just losing more and more respect for celebrities. People really just not fucking with them anymore. And I can ride out on that mentality because you got to stop caring about what people that make millions of dollars and don't give a fuck about you. You got to stop caring what they care about, care about what you care about. Don't worry about what these people think. Just because they say it doesn't mean it has to touch home for you. It's weird. The idolization of, like, celebrities has always been a weird topic to me. All these people's on the pedestal of most people's minds. It's so weird. It's strange. It's like, dude, really, you're. You're a grow. Like, okay, so can't find it. All right, let's, let's, let's do it. Let's switch up in a different subject of that, though. What I found crazy was the clips of you and Dr. Eugene debating over Jordan LeBron. Do you know that I still have grown men fighting in my comment section on TikTok? Yeah, I think it's about which grown man is better. It's an ongoing debate, but regardless, I'm like, guys, please take a breath. You're going to be okay. Listen, it's okay. If he thinks that LeBron is the go. It's okay. It is. It's all opinion. That's crazy. Michael Jordan is all opinion. He is the goat. You know, the thing is, the thing is, we had this conversation just yesterday. So, like, if you, if you arguing. If you like cheerleader shit. Boxing, right? If you like boxing, there's your pom poms. That's a fact. If you like boxing and you look at the way the style you like in boxing, if you like to watch bruises, just go at it. Brawlers, go at it. You're not gonna sit here and like to watch or think that Floyd Mayweather is the best. Yeah, it's a completely different style. It's not in your opinion. That's not what you like. So you're not going to choose that. If you like to. If you like someone that has embodied the sweet science of boxing, you're not going to say, oh, I love Joe Frazier over Floyd Mayweather. The art of the sweet science of boxing. That's. That's Floyd. Hit not be Hit it. That's it right there, right? So it's all your opinion and what you like to see. So when I sit there and it's just like, I say the reason I choose LeBron, and that's my opinion, he's going right in. No, no, no. It's because of how I like to see the game of basketball played. Right? That's all I'm saying. And what I said yesterday, I would rather you just say, I just like Jordan better. I like watching his style of basketball better. Cool. I'm cool with that. Dr. Eugene came to debate, but he brought none of the facts with him. And I was just like, he was not ready. Like, he brought it up, too. I know he did. I like Eugene, but, man, was he not ready to go toe to toe with Jay on. On debate. It's all opinion. You guys see some of the comments on TikTok? It's wild. The funny thing to me is they keep saying, like, the white dude doesn't know he's talking about. I'm like, I'm the white guy, just letting everybody know. I. I actually don't know what I'm talking about. That's why I didn't say anything. But I. I just. I think it's a matter of opinion. You know, if you're a running back and you love running backs and you have a favorite running back of all time in your mind, somebody else brings up who you think is the best running back, you're always going to go to him, even if his numbers are better or whatever it is. That's what you like. That's what you look at, right? That's your opinion. That's your shit. You know what I'm saying? So, like, people say Tom Brady is the goat cool. If that's your goat and that's how you feel, great. If somebody else thinks something different, it's not about it being wrong. Remember, it's an opinion. It's not about it being wrong. You know what I'm saying? In my eyes, I'm looking at this right now, and I think that's the greatest thing I ever seen. Because you don't agree, that means I'm wrong? Nope. Everyone's entitled. This is why I get so uprooted about it, is because this era, you're not allowed to have a fucking opinion. No. The moment your opinion doesn't align with mine, we're enemies. And it's not like that. There is no need for all that. Nothing wrong with disagreeing. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing. We could agree to disagree. There's nothing wrong with it. Do you find common ground or you don't? Just like. Just like dudes, like, oh, who is this clown? Say that to me in my face. They will not. You won't. But over there, you want what? Cause I have a different fucking opinion. You want to call me a clown? Yeah. Okay, homeboy. That's stupid to me. It's just a difference of opinion, man. You're allowed to have that. Can I tell you my opinion? Yeah. My opinion. Have you seen Bill Belichick's 24 year old girlfriend? Yeah. Bill Belichick is having regular sex and I'm not. That is fucking insanity. Probably on the blue shoes, though. He's not. I don't think. I don't think you can revive that thing. Yeah, he's. You don't know how long somebody been on Viagra, Cialis. You don't. Dawg, he got money. That money is different. I couldn't believe. I mean, I've seen it before. I just couldn't believe that shit. I'm sitting here like, wow. I'm sitting here. You start tricking, your life will change. Start what? You start tricking. Tricking. Yeah, your life will change. So that could mean a couple of things. Immediately. Immediately your life would change. And how do you think he should trick for his life to change? Yeah, go ahead, give me some tips. Pause. There's two ways you could do it. You could be the nice guy in trick, or you could be an in trick. I say go. I think I'm at the point of. Being an just being either way, though. And that's not even. That's gonna. You're gonna. You're gonna win. I don't like it. You just win more with one. I don't like that, that. That kind of mentality and approach, but it's. It's the one that works. It does. I know it does. A guy that's always spending money, throwing money at women, that's what he leads with. Oh, I'll pay your rent. And you're always gonna get taken advantage of. Always. No, that guy is. Oh, you're always gonna see that, man. That ain't me. For female, that ain't me. Ain't happening. Little Belichick, he got money so he could choose. She's gonna. Yeah. Like, do you really think she was, like, looking at him like, oh, he's so hot. No, the money. He's so. He's so handsome. It's gotta be his personality. No. Yeah, exactly. You know, he Got a killer personality. The so he don't got a personality. He old. He don't yo his. He got a fucking potbelly. I knew he was gonna say something about that. I was waiting for it. So what? So what? So what is it that drew you to him, sweetheart? Well, she knows that she's in her prime now and she's ready to capitalize on that. Exactly. She's not even in her prime. And he don't care. 24. Oh, she's 24? Yeah. I thought she was 34. No, 24. He don't care. Crazy. He don't care. He knows deep down she don't love him. Oh, yeah, yeah. You don't care, though. What do those conversations look like in the study? What'd you do today with the money I gave you? Crazy conversation. Whatever you want to talk about. I don't even think he wants to talk. She's not. She's not giving him lip in a negative fashion. Yeah. Not combative. No, no. Whatever you want, honey. It's crazy when you see some shit like that from the outside. It's crazy. It's crazy to watch it unfold. That's true. I was listening. I was listening to the. I gotta show you some clips. You've probably seen him before. The whatever podcast. You ever seen that? Whatever. That dude, Andrew Wilson. He debates all the girls. He's awesome. Wait, wait, the guy, the guy, the old guy who's usually on a camera. Yeah, the little box. He's hysterical. Yo, I got ruthless. His mic wasn't muted. Yes, he said, laughing. Yo, I love that dude. Yeah, he's great. That was the guy. That was the guy. That whatchamacallit, Wes Wilson or whatever his name is. What's that guy's name? Wes. Whatever. On the Fresh and Fit podcast. He attacked that dude, Myron Gaines. Myron's the host, but the guy, Wes, the dude with the tattoos, he just got in trouble for beating up a guy in Elevation in Miami. You told the guy that they had a platform at some forum. Yes, and he got him. He's trying to be tough. Yeah. And was screaming at that. That. That same guy you were talking about. Oh, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. What is it? Wes Watson. Yeah. Andrew Wilson's great. Yeah, he's great. He's a. He actually has like a course on how to become like a really, like, well rounded debater. When you're going against somebody like. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm actually very interested. But he, he. Dude, he just got away with Words, man. He just gets his point across. I mean, he's very intelligent over it. What I get, he's very intelligent. What I get. Not envious of, but I want to get better at is his ability to like be in a heated debate, but never raise his voice, stay calm. I gotta be able to do the same thing. Oh, dude, it's so hard, man. I fucking get mad. Oh, I get so mad. I'm always ready to. I'm always ready to. And I hate that, man. I really do. I try not to get involved, you know what I'm saying? He's always like, yo, come on, man, you don't. You need to call cats out and do. I'm like, nah, nah, nah, I don't understand. When I do that, it leads to me throwing hands. I don't have the difference in energy. Am I lying? Even the LeBron and Jordan debate we had with an associate in the gym, it went from, yo, that's stupid to you, a whole dumbass. Cause the person I'm arguing with is a dumb ass motherfucker, bro. He's like, for you to be in the field, you in and you say what you're saying, it got real personal real quick. Oh, they're still going. Yeah, they're still going. That's more traffic though. So, yeah, I'm cool with it, but it's just crazy. It's, it's. I don't have that middle. I either am staying to myself and I'm quiet, but like I said, I don't like stupid. So if you're telling me facts, if you're telling me facts, I'm willing to listen. I got a. I got a community guidelines violation and they took my video down on TikTok. Which video? Removed for integrity and authenticity. It was Andre talking about fasting. This is what I'm saying. These fucking people, man. These social sites, they're such bullshit, dude. They're such fucking pussies, bro. What, what, what was said in there? That just. You talking about fasting? Yeah, I gotta listen to the clip. It's probably a vegan on the other end. Probably. How is it not authentic? That's the crazy part. I don't know. Nah, but yeah, I wish, I wish I could, I could stay calm too, but I think it goes back to me saying like, I don't like, I don't like stupidity. So if you're having a real debate with me and you're spitting knowledge, I don't think I raised my voice at all. I think I would talk to you. You know what I'm saying? But if. If you're gonna just talk stupid shit, then I'm gonna get angry. Yeah. What was the second you say something stupid or your response clearly shows you didn't comprehend or you didn't even try to listen to what he just said prior it's over. That's why I don't like doing that. I don't like doing it. And I know me, I know me. I'm not to his extent, but I just get heated and I start trying to keep my voice. I just want to be like in debates like that. I just want to be like, okay, well, you know, I understand what you're saying, but like. And I want to get back to like the point. But like, my voice gets a little more edgy and I'm just kind of like. And then we cause motherfuckers to lose business. That's a fact. A whole other issue. I can't. I can't. I wish I could do that as well. I wish I could do that as well. Because once I'm in combative mode, I can't come out of it unless I get what I want. Yeah, I'm spoiled like that. He's made it like that. Exactly. That's it. If you push me to that level. Set up his chest piece in the prime positioning afterwards. But is what it is. But he, he's hysterical because thing is, he's not only funny, he's extremely smart and factual and his facts is always specifically catered to the person. Yeah, it's not even catered to the room. He's intentional with his verb. Oh, he knows his shit. Literally words, things individually. I'll play a clip after. Like, when we're done, I'll just play a clip because it was fucking crazy watching that shit. But was it the logic comment? It was, it was just. It was, it was. It was a. It was a girl just trying way too hard. Like, she was. She was trying way too hard. She was intelligent, not dumb, but trying way too hard to, like be overly intelligent. And he's just breaking things down. Like, no, no, let's get to the root of this. Like, what do you mean when you say this? Because it doesn't make sense. And you know, they tap dance around a lot of the. A lot of the answers. And yeah, it's very interesting to watch somebody like that go on a panel and debate people. And then I was. Wait, they were doing it live last night. Seven hour podcast. They were doing it live. That's crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Panel Whole panel, like eight panelists on there. The dude on his. Yeah, he. I mean, he was. It's not his show. It's not his show. It's the other guy. He's very calm too, as well, Brian. Yes, yes, yes. But they had that chick, Lily Phillips on there. Who's that? She's the one who just slept with 100 dudes in 24 hours. Oh, I told you about that. The blonde chick filmed it. Yeah. There's another one that did a thousand and they took her video down. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean? Yeah, I told you. Is this girl I seen on Instagram a while ago, this girl, she was talking about how she's going to sleep. With a 100 guys in 24 hours. 24 hours. I'm heartbroken right now. I'm heartbroken, bro. F totes. He wasn't included. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not heartbroken. That wasn't the side of. I'm heartbroken that your life has come to this. Yeah, well, the other one did a thousand. And this is what you're doing for money, Jay? A thousand? You're thousand in 24 hours? Please don't tell me any of these girls have kids. No, not yet. Wait. Maybe same girl did a thousand. We'll check back in in a month. The same girl did a thousand? No, a different one. The girl she hangs out with. Come on, man. Yeah, and then. And then onlyfans took her video down. That's what I loved. Who, Phillips? Or the other chick that. That fucked a thousand dudes? Because what are you. What's her name? I'm not giving Billy Phillips the other one. Yeah, it's enough. It's a thousand we talking about. Fair enough. I gave her clout. Not that it matters now. She already was making loot. Yeah, she's already making loot. It doesn't matter if my. My. My little name she made says anything about her. She'll give a fuck about me anyway. You making loot. But Andrew was talking. Listen. Andrew was talking about her. He's like, I have. He's like, I have a daughter. And you know, and they're talking about the morality of, like, if. If she went to her father and said that this is what I want to do. Like the. The. The. I don't know if you're allowed to say. It doesn't even matter. I'm not monetized like that. The sex work of. Of what she does. You know that even though her father, Andrew was making the point that even though your father can still love you, he can turn his back on you because he doesn't agree with that type of shit. Yes. He's not going to enable it. She's saying, no, that's your. That's a parent turning their back on their child. I want to throw up. I want to fucking throw up. If my. Yo, I failed. Don't even say it. I failed. If anything like that would have happened. Yo. Yeah, I agree with that. Oh, God, I can't even think about it. Your daughter to come to you. That means no. You already lost weight before that. 124 hours. There was another video that she did. We're getting, like, real vulgar right now. But like, we talked about ass eating. Three minutes into podcast, not even. There was another video. 30 seconds in, there was another video where she had spunk all over her face from. From like a group thing that she did. And she was walking around the streets seeing if people would notice. Cause it's fun for her. I see that video. It's fun for her. No, no, she's. She's got something going on. Something's going on. Yeah. She was abused as a child. It has to be. There's no way. No, no, I'm serious. She was sexually abused as a child. There's no way. It has to. There's no way. What makes you think it is to that extreme? Anything for cloud. That's what I'm saying. Anything. Anything for anything for just a look. And the sad thing is, like, I get irritated with some of these OnlyFan chicks because I hate that it's like an actual thing, truthfully. Like, yo, generally porn is free. Like, if you really want corn. If they say that. We all know what you mean. If you know, if you really wanted to watch it, it's free. The problem is you have dudes that will enable this shit and they'll pay. These girls, just like you were saying, like, Belichick, what do you need? What do you need? Because I'm sure that that's the type of thing. So other girls think that that's. That they. They too can be like that because they got. They got dudes that are paying 3.99amonth because they'll just take a couple of lingerie pics and they don't realize that they go to a different website. It's free. We know people like that. We do know people like that. We do know people like that. He was just here. Well, not him. No, not him. Not him. No, no. He didn't suffered enough. Prior to that. Not. Not him. Yeah. So, you know, leave. Oh, out of that one. So. Yes. And that, unfortunately, you know, that. That is a pain point for me because I'm just like, why are we enabling these people? We have the power to stop it. Guess what she does? She does 100. She does 100 dudes in 24 hours, and nobody lets her post that video anywhere. That's it. It ends there. She gets zero. Likes you did your horrors. People want to see it. Like, nah, you could have did that. The halls were filled. They showed, like, a video going up the stairs. And the dudes just all waiting their turn, bro. What? What? Who was 100? What sad soul was the hundredth one? Like, can't wait to get in there. Really, dog? Okay. And they all. They all bust off. Yes. I don't know. Nah. Nah, man. Yeah, dude, it's crazy, dude. She got an infection. Oh, yeah. Definitely infection in there. Oh, she has a multiple seminal fluid, bro. You has a penicillin endorsement, probably. Yeah. She's got a Pfizer. She got a Pfizer sponsor. I think she got. I think she got an insides removed, maybe. I mean, dude, the other. I don't think so yet. She young. She's 23, 24. What? Yeah, bro. She. Her prom young whores. Yeah. We got to go back to publicly shaming people. What happens now? What happens now when she realizes, you. Know, 15 years you want to get married? I want to get married and I want to have kids. Yeah. What happens? Some simp is going to go in there and he's going to marry her. Yep. And he's gonna be like, oh, she's changed. You know? You know who had her on his podcast, and he was. He was talking all this because he's a man of God now. Russell Brand. Who? Russell Brand, the actor, Yo. He's a comedian, yo. He's funny as shit. He is. But if you've watched some of his newer shit, he's a conservative. Yes. He's very, like, Christian dude with the long hair. Yeah. He played get him to the Greek. He's very like, man of God now. He had her on. He had her on his podcast. He's like, I want him. And he's being Zed series. Like, I want to extend, like, help to you. Like, is that. I'm like, bro, the worst thing you could do is give this bitch more fucking publicity. That's the problem. We gotta leave this dead in the. Like, just. I mean. But I can understand to an extent if he's looking to Help from a. If he's genuine. If it was genuine, I like the. Guy, but at the same time, let's. Say he is genuine about it. He's also looking to help his own podcast by having her on. Cause if you're a religious dude now, you ain't having conversations with this girl. I wouldn't have her on my shit. I don't care if you tell me either. Come on, Jay. We get this amount of views, we get this amount of following. Cool. I'll have the rock on here or somebody like that. I'll beg one of them dudes to come on for the views. Not. Not that bitch. Because I don't want her following. I don't want no people. I don't want that. Nope. Listen, there's been engaging with that bullshit. There's plenty of people that I could have had come through that probably would have boosted my numbers. And I just. I'm not interested in it. I'm really not. I'm not interested in the people that they. That associate with them. Just not. It's just not my. If you're gonna have controversial conversation and heated discussion and debates, I could understand certain types of people you'll have come in for content and for legit debates, but what are you debating with her? Well, so Andrew was going back. I was waiting all night. I was literally falling asleep in bed, and I heard him go, all right, Lily, so let's talk about the more. I was like, oh. And then. No, the dude, Andrew Wilson. I was like, oh, it's on. I was like, sitting there with Kenji on the bed. I'm like, get your popcorn. And he's just. They're going back and forth, and she just. She just would not break from her standpoint that she would be doing it regardless. She's like, I love what I do for work. Okay, Guess what? I'm telling you, she's. Something's wrong. He's saying, would you. You know, and basically he's making the point. Her receptors is down, man. That is crazy. Theo Vaughn, your receptus is down, man. It's so hot. Your receptus is down. It's crazy. That's one dude right there. I folks, with Theo. I gotta show you a Theo Vaughn clip. Did I show you when he has a Katt Williams statue in his house? Yes. With Drew Ski. Yeah. Did you see that he had Cat Williams on the podcast? Yeah, Cat almost crying, bro. And he goes, what kind of deal did Michaels cut with you? What did Katt Williams say? He goes, they just used me for my likeness. Yeah. Nah, I was glad he had Cat Williams on. Cause in the show, he said, God. Damn it, that's a Cat Williams. That's. Dude, that's damn Cat William right there. Cat William right there. Yeah. He's like, that's not. That's a black nutcracker. He's like, nah, that's. He's like, then I want my fucking money back. He's the same size. He goes, then I want my fucking money back. He's a life size Cat William. And then I think my favorite part was he goes, he goes, this has to be racist in some way. He goes, racist. He goes, if anything, I'm putting the culture on. He's like, it's in my house. You around. Yo. He's hysterical, son. He's the funniest dude. He grew up trailer park, Louisiana. That's. That dude. This. He's probably. It don't get no real. It don't get no real crazy. He says the wildest. I like when Joe Rogan was telling me. He's like, he's like, man, he's like, you're that guy, man. You get. You get in on anything you do. He's like, oh, yeah. He's like, I'll be like a peeping Tom. I'll watch you. Like, I'll watch your whole family eat dinner. Yeah. He's oh, he's like, you get a few mantles. Yeah. I love that guy, man. I gotta show you. I gotta show you off camera. I gotta show you that stuff. So. All right, so let's, let's. Let's wrap this. We'll do another one. Yeah, we gotta get old back on here. I appreciate you boys for always coming down, hanging out. We got. We got more. We're gonna get more and more going. Like I said, the live setup's gonna be coming eventually. I keep saying it every episode. We got more on the way, more regular content, more shows. I want to do some. Some like, format type stuff where we could watch some things, respond, laugh, have a good time, drink some energy drinks, you know, just with the homies. I appreciate you guys. Let's do that. Cost a couple of dollars. It's gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna put a. I'm gonna put a hat outside, see if someone starts donating. I've been entertaining you all this time. You want me to tap dance? What do you want me to do? I'll do anything. Please. Throw me a couple schmeckles. Do a hundred girls in 24 hours. Oh, God. You got the space? I do have the space, but this carpet is not going to hold up. Oh, no, you have to. You had to go all the way or tile. Actually, truth be told, I'll be shooting dust after the third one. So we're good. Doesn't matter. Nothing left. It's all about the. It's all about the action. All you hear is you, you, you in it. You in it. You and you and you and you. In the camera. In the camera business, man, you gotta. You gotta. I gotta maximize these. Maybe, you know, maybe they got something going for them. Maybe they. Maybe I'm changing my ways. I'm gonna start being on that filth tube, the filled tube. Oh, man, money to be made. But I appreciate you boys, as usual, for everybody. Hope you enjoyed. And obviously keep doing the damn thing of liking, subscribing, sharing, commenting. If you liked it, if you didn't like it. It helps the algorithm, it helps me to continue sitting down with amazing humans like, oh, Fab J. On that note, I appreciate everybody for fucking with us, but for now, peace.