Really Important Fictional Things

Pooh Is Kind Of Dumb (Legally Blonde)

• Really Important Fictional Things • Season 1 • Episode 13

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This week we check in on what we’re watching including our obsession with Yellowjackets. Then we dive deep into the 2001 classic Legally Blonde, talking funny things, cringey things, and how fictional stuff ages to become problematic or not. Then we look at Esquire’s top shows of 2021. Listen to the episode here.

Next week, we’ll chat about web series, a few of our favorites and the concept in general. If you want, check them out ahead of time: The Gay and Wondrous Life of Caleb Gallo, Quarterlife, Broad City, Awkward Black Girl

Some topics covered:

Things we trailed:

Where to stream:

  • Yellowjackets — Showtime (available as a Prime add-on)
  • Flight Attendant — HBO Max
  • Desperate Housewives — Prime, Hulu, Apple TV
  • Sort Of — HBO Max
  • Cheer — Netflix
  • Don’t Look Up — Netflix
  • Inside — Netflix
  • What We Do In The Shadows Aussie — Apple TV, Prime

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Rosey:

All right, welcome back. Welcome back. Hey doing Rosie. I'm good. I have much more.

Avery:

Good, good. I'm super tired. My name is Avery. This is really important fictional thing. So podcast where we talk about movies, TV books, anything that's not real, but is really important to us. And culture and culture. Stuff that's like changed how we think about the world. And today we are going to talk about Legally Blonde, Legally Blonde. It's a really good movie and really important.

Rosey:

It is really important. Yeah.

Avery:

So we'll get into it.

Rosey:

Here we go.

Avery:

Okay, so last week, we watched the trailer for Yellowjacket. And I.

Rosey:

So I watched what we watched. You heard our reactions to the trailer, but I was like, it looked good. But I was like, oh, no, I can handle it. There's a handful of shows like that. If Avery then watches it, and then it's like, okay, but no, you have to watch it, because you've done that with a few shows. But not every series that you watch.

Avery:

Yeah, no, sometimes I'm like, no,

Rosey:

no, don't do it. You got me. She got me. And she was right. I think I'm only four episodes. Okay, we're gonna have to do an episode about yellow. Because oil, anything, I can't spoil it. And also, it's very spoilable

Avery:

So spoilable.

Rosey:

And also, I watched, so I had to run out to something yesterday. So I had like six minutes left, and I couldn't finish up. So I was really upset. And then I came back and just watch the remaining six minutes. And in those six minutes, I came up with like 18 different topics. So she got me, though my watch is similar to how I watched flight attendant. Yeah, which was also really good in that like, it is so good. And the emotions are so much that I really can't watch. Like, I personally can't watch that much of it at a time. Like I watched three in a row. It was like

Avery:

it's really a rich text. And it's like eating like a really rich chocolate cake. That is what it feels like. Yeah, yeah. So good. And also, like I recommended to Rosie and I recommend it to people that like things like the flight attendant, for sure. But I also it's very genre bending and it like mashes up a lot of different kinds of feels. Yep. And so I really think that like very many people would like this show.

Rosey:

I agree. Like I think the the acting is super Oh, good. The writing is so powerful.

Avery:

Writing is incredible.

Rosey:

It's blowing my mind. And then it's clearly we're obsessed with it. Like it's mostly women

Avery:

it Yeah, in the 90s Yeah, love it.

Rosey:

Yeah. Every thing like covering every box, everything is covered. And then the other thing which I'm less than two, I guess whatever, the music, I can't I keep noticing the music. Like they are doing such a good job with the music either. It doesn't match the scene, really at all. And you're like,

Avery:

What am I getting? Yeah, or Well, I

Rosey:

guess this is always true, but sometimes the music's very serious and like, we're just gonna have sex, like, Why do I feel scared with the music is very scary. It's the music I would expect if like, a girl was walking into a basement in a horror movie, right? But it's like, what is the sex scene that you like, are okay with like, it's not like, well, you as a viewer, you're okay with it. Yeah, we could get into the whole whatever.

Avery:

It's so it's so good that way because it's like, forcing you to have theories about what's going to happen. Because you just you're getting all these breadcrumbs along the way, but you don't know like, what the breadcrumbs mean, yet.

Rosey:

Yeah, it just I don't I don't I mean, ya know, though, I have no no this guess. Like I'm not watching it with a bunch of theories now. So absorbed that I'm not. That's how I felt about flight attendant. I like wasn't trying to solve the mystery. I was just like, I don't know, girl. What are you gonna do? I'm just with you. And we're trying to figure it out.

Avery:

I gotta say, I watched the whole thing. I got to, you know, up to now. And so while I was waiting, I was like, Oh, the theories because that's the other thing. You couldn't bend it all at once. It's coming out weekly, which is like so

Rosey:

that is good for this show. Like that's better for this than if it had been all at once.

Avery:

No, I agree. And I also wonder if they strategically did it, probably for a lot of reasons. But also, it's written like there's going to be at least a second season remaining, maybe more and it wasn't picked up right away. So I wonder if they needed it to like they needed some runway. Yeah, getting into it in order to be like pick us up.

Rosey:

It also makes sense to me. It's on Showtime. It just feels like it fits the Showtime vibe. Like it's dark. I guess it could be on like HBO or something. But it's not a network show. And no, no, like it couldn't be on

Avery:

Fox. Although some people have compared it to last night. I've never seen I watched like three seasons of

Rosey:

it. People don't really so obviously people are really into it and like the way that someone won't listen to music once the band goes mainstream once a show people are obsessed with it I have like, I don't know if it's snobbery or that I'm like, I don't know if I'm afraid I won't like it. We could die. I won't watch it that like now I won't watch last year's like some weird. Are there other shows like that? Mad Men being bad Game of Thrones, but these are all shows. I

Avery:

don't think you would like

Rosey:

Yeah, so like, it's fine. The one that I didn't watch because people were super into it that I am curious to watch now, especially for this podcast is Desperate Housewives. Maybe that's the whole thing because I don't know. But when I was doing all the research for finales it's what people love the finale and I was like, satisfying, apparently. And I never I don't really even know the premise

Avery:

is that some housewives somehow killed people. I think like, oh, Are they

Rosey:

murderers?

Avery:

I really don't know. I hope that's not a spoiler. I think that's maybe one plotline. Oh, one point. How many seasons are there? There's like six. Yeah, lots going on. Yeah. Yellowjackets is great. Yeah. It got me into Reddit. I've never been read.

Rosey:

Reddit can really I go to Reddit went for things like this. Like I was so I, we lived together when I was younger. Yeah, I couldn't like then I

Avery:

because you didn't know anyone.

Rosey:

That's where I should go for as always extraordinary.

Avery:

There's definitely your there's no way no one else is watching that show. No, it's beloved clearly. Yeah, I gotta get into that. But yeah, so I went to read it. And it's really funny. Uh, you know, I didn't, I don't get read it. I get it. And like, every time I go there for something, I'm like, disappointed. I don't know people like love it that people would like a worse version of Live Journal. To me. I was like, when I was in like middle school and on Live Journal and getting like quality content and like, good opinion. Yeah, that's what I want and read it. Like people don't have the attention span or something. I don't know. It's weird.

Rosey:

There's so many sub Reddits too. It's got to depend, like there's got to be some that are. That's true.

Avery:

There's got to be some good ones. Anyway, yellow jackets, people who don't have the level of scholarships that I want. On this show, I went looked at some of the theories and I was just like, You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. You're obviously wrong. Like they

Rosey:

were to like baseline for you. And you're

Avery:

also just like, totally off like, we watch things really closely. That's the whole point of this podcast.

Rosey:

We watch this really closely. And we did study this Yeah, like there is sometimes like, like how we were saying about the finales again that some of the finales you don't like feel like cheaper, like they did a big twist for some reason. And you said like, that's, it's lame writing like, yeah, it's BS better than that. Yeah. About, and that's how I feel watching. Well, I feel the opposite of that watching Yellowjackets where I'm like, there are so many steps ahead of me, and I'm loving it. Because it is somebody's fun to watch something that you're like, I know, everything's gonna happen. But also, it's usually kind of boring. Yep. Like, I feel like it's not but this is why I can't watch Emily in Paris.

Avery:

Yeah. Let's talk about that in a minute. I'm still on Yellowjackets. Yeah. No,

Rosey:

no, I don't want to talk about Emily Paris.

Avery:

We're skipping, I'm skipping it. But the interesting thing about like the technical side of Yellowjackets, which you're talking about is like, nothing feels unearned. So there are things that happen that are like you, you're there, like unforeseen or you didn't expect but then looking back, you're like, Oh, that makes a lot of sense. So what I did, I watched the whole thing up to episode eight, and then I started again. Yeah. And like, it's so good. Like, every single piece of it is intentional for something that happens down the road. There's not that so far, there's not been a single moment that doesn't have two or three or even four purposes. That's interesting. Like obviously it's feeding the scene in the moment that you're in, but it's like foreshadowing something or it's literally using the same words like someone's saying, I've noticed your words. Yeah, it's so fucking good. Yeah. It is interesting that you say like, we study this too, because we definitely do like, like even you noticing the music and specifically calling that out. It's like, I used to feel like having studied stuff like this. It made it harder to watch stuff because I couldn't just like some stuff it does for sure. But other things I'm like, I really appreciate it.

Rosey:

I agree. It lets you be much more. Yeah, appreciative respect. I feel like I'm like damn, look what you've done.

Avery:

I think I enjoy it more because I know how fucking hard it is.

Rosey:

Yeah, like I don't look any of this up. So I don't know if you did this on Reddit or not. It's not plot related, but like the because they're showing the characters in 1996. And in 2021. They are seamless, like it does feel like I'm watching the same the same person. And I wonder if the actress As if any of them connect. Okay, otherwise

Avery:

I have thought about that because the way that Juliette Lewis is acting she is saying things with the same cadence as the younger guys hang out they must hang out they must have studied each other and talked about and I've found a

Rosey:

way to be Yeah and I've I've

Avery:

thought about that a lot like what order did they shoot this in? Because I think Juliette Lewis is an older actors is probably molding her character on the Younger Actor

Rosey:

Probably. Probably. Well,

Avery:

I don't know the younger i don't know i Now I want to see her and other stuff. So you can see how much of this is her personality because she has really weird unique line reading. She says things in weird ways.

Rosey:

She seems I mean, yes, she does. But that she seems so not a que I mean, they're not okay, so like, but yeah, yeah, it's very,

Avery:

it's really intentional choices for the character, I think. But I can't tell if it's built around an acting style of the younger actor. Yeah. Because it's so weird.

Rosey:

It's very strange. It's okay. It's so good. So just to say, Yellow Jackets is about a tiny school.

Avery:

Yeah, don't spoil too much, though.

Rosey:

I'm just gonna say, like, well, you can edit around. I was gonna say what we see in the trailers. I was gonna say, Yellow Jackets is about a team a soccer team. Yeah. girls soccer. Yeah, Yellow Jackets is about a girl soccer team that makes it to Nationals and flies there and their plane goes down. Yeah. And then it's watching that which happened in 1996. And what happened after in the wreckage? And yeah, just so people,

Avery:

just some people survive. You see them in the future. You don't know what exam you don't see. So you don't know what's going on. You don't know what's happening. And it's chronological in both timelines. Yes.

Rosey:

It had vibes of Cruel Summer which you didn't watch right? Do not watch that. This is so much better than Cruel Summer in my opinion, but maybe the only similarity is that some of the teenage girls you're like, I really don't trust you. Like right away like I really don't like I really really don't

Avery:

like which ones don't you trust I'm curious without spoiling just tell me the name Misty. I don't just trust Misty is a fucking psychopath. Yeah, yeah. She knows she's

Rosey:

known just like instantly she Yeah, I don't know yet. On the other ones who I don't maybe trust isn't the right word. I guess unsettled by wanna

Avery:

do a mini talk about like, things

Rosey:

like I think we have to do a separate. I would do an episode by episode with this show. I would love to do that would be okay.

Avery:

Let's do that. Okay, so

Rosey:

that's coming up. Coming soon. We'll wait till the season's over. Because then people have a chance because I recommended it to a friend and was like, they were like, I don't know if Showtime because that's the thing. And I was like, wait till the last episode comes out and then get the free shot. Yeah, I get that. I don't know for weeks enough time. But to

Avery:

your point. I wonder if it's gonna be a game changer for Showtime because I don't know anybody that has Showtime. Everybody's on the HBO train. Yeah, this is like very good. Everything about this goddamn show. I hope you can hear in my voice how excited I

Rosey:

am. It's so good. It's so good. The amount of times I've like smacked like thrown my hand across my mouth because I'm like and a few times I was eating and notice that my fork was halfway to my mouth and I was just holding it in the air like it's really gripping. So watch Yellowjackets you can get the Showtime bang thing through Hulu or Amazon Showtime through Hulu or Amazon.

Avery:

It's honestly like kind of a dark version of sex. It's like sexualizing college girls if they were

Rosey:

Lord of the Flies that like yeah, to some degree, it has a similar I think if we were only watching them in 1996 I'd agree with that more that element of seeing them in the future is like not rolling the whole thing totally. And it's like two different

Avery:

shows. Yeah, but it is I guess the one thing that I was thinking of that makes them similar to me is how we we mentioned that like in any scene, the women are still gripping no matter who else is there. That is very much the the vibe here

Rosey:

honestly. This might be intentional, I don't know. But most of the men so far. I'm like actively bored by them being there. Like they are add nothing

Avery:

like Travis. I think Travis is hot.

Rosey:

I like Travis too. But he's the only one. Yeah,

Avery:

he is the only one.

Rosey:

The husband is boring. Yep. Intentionally. So I think yeah, the coach is representing something else. Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to say too much else. But like there is yeah, it's yeah,

Avery:

it's so good.

Rosey:

Okay, we gotta go. Yeah. So one other thing that I watched that I meant to bring up multiple times, and I didn't. It's on HBO max. And it's called sort of and it's a non binary person of color. And it's so good. It's just one season. They're 30 minutes. They are a nanny for a mostly white family but the mom is Asian anyway. It's like it's just it's it's so good without it being like this is about a non binary person. maelys Brown, which seems to be held some of those, yeah, characters are handled. I mean, the fact that they're brown is a big deal because they're think Pakistani. I don't know if I go there, I definitely South Asian. And so there's stuff about that because like being trans and their parents have a really hard time with it. And like that is a storyline and how they dress and how they like feel themselves in the world. But it's really good. It's a comedy, but there's like emotion.

Avery:

So they're non binary and trans. They use

Rosey:

both, because I think they don't know. I mean, it reminded me a little bit of when we were talking about feel good. And like, me keeps being like, I don't know, is that a thing? Can I be that? What's that? And that's sort of similar.

Avery:

I opt out of girl or boy, I opt out. Yeah. But like, what? There's not it's not. It's kind of whatever you want.

Rosey:

And yeah, and I mean, each person obviously would feel differently. But non binary does sort of feel like I'm in another category. Yeah, they say they say both and say they both say involved.

Avery:

Is there a transition? Not in not? Okay.

Rosey:

So yeah, it's good. I recommend it. And then the only other thing I want to mention, because we watch this together, it's not fictional, technically, but cheer is back. Do you remember

Avery:

that? Yeah. Oh, my God. Okay. This is all by storm. Yes.

Rosey:

So it's back. I don't know if it's following the exact same team. The only thing I read about it, which is very sad, is remember the guy we really liked, who was like, just so high energy he sexually assaulted.

Avery:

That is so sad. So sad.

Rosey:

So anyway, but I'm quite curious about the show. But I also was like, Avery might just have to come over. I'm not sure I'll

Avery:

watch it. Otherwise, we gotta protect these gymnasts and cheerleaders. Yeah, they're like Joe vulnerable. Oh,

Rosey:

my God. They're such powerful athletes. And then like so vulnerable to attack? Yeah, really?

Avery:

Well, it's kind of like brainwashing. Like, that's, that was some of what was disturbing about the first season. It's like, you're watching these adults in positions of power being like, yeah, flip around 20 feet in the air and maybe break your neck. And yeah, they do it because they love her and they want her to love them. It's like, so weird. It's really

Rosey:

weird because they come down and like, their ankle would be not okay. Or they're near their elbow or whatever. And then they'd be like, Well, do you think you can do it again? And like, there was a right and wrong answer to that question. Yeah. supposed to say yes. And do it again. Like, like

Avery:

ribs? Broken. You can't do anything for your ribs,

Rosey:

but rest them which they're unwilling to do. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. And

Avery:

what kind of grooves are you putting in those young those kids brains? I think the one who, whose ribs were broken was like, really? Yeah. And she already had messed up relationships with her parents. Yeah. So what are you teaching that kid that like, Oh, you just have to fucking kill yourself to get love. Like, that's how you deserve love.

Rosey:

Yeah. And your pain is not there. It's more important. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good messaging.

Avery:

It's almost like more pain you go through the more love you get. It's not good. It's not good. And the woman the coach is like kind of lionized, like people really love her and think she's a good person. I don't know. It's bizarre. It's

Rosey:

so interesting, because and again, we won't go down this road, but it brings up all that kind of stuff. We're like, what they're doing is wildly impressive. And like, it takes a lot of positive skills like determination and fortitude and endurance and like you are learning some teamwork. Trust, like you're learning some things. Good. Thanks. On the other hand, the reason she's such a champion or so idolized there is that she's like, tough love and keeps winning cheerleading awards. Like it's like, it's cheerleading words. Yeah, like you're fine. I don't know. There's other things to do with this isn't the end of the world. I just feel that way about not just sports, and things like that, in general, people get so much attention and like, so many accolades are like yeah, they're gonna like this one thing.

Avery:

Yeah. But then on the other hand, if you don't do it's like we don't really as humans have much purpose.

Rosey:

What are we doing? What are we not doing?

Avery:

So like I see that and I feel that but on the other hand, it's like what else are

Rosey:

you gonna do? You might as well achieve something Yeah. I mean, I would balance I guess that's what it's like everything you need to feel like stick I

Avery:

would prefer that people put it all personally I would prefer that people put all their energy into like, finding clean

Rosey:

power source

Avery:

stuff you imagine Yeah, if you put all that energy it's all to girl gave those people actually yeah, and made them popular for doing things like that, but they'll know that'll never happen. That'll just never happen people don't care about it's like interesting. It's shiny and fun. I'm I think it's shiny and fun as a human to watch people

Rosey:

flip love home renovation shows like The before and after. What if we could all get together and do like a before and after with like the floating trash Try

Avery:

actually clapping for that.

Rosey:

After oceans clean, love that idea

Avery:

what we did, hey, whoever out there produces reality shows that's what we need to do.

Rosey:

And we can fight at the same time. Yeah,

Avery:

no teams, we could have teams gonna be the same way that like a way that they're like reality shows about like competition yeah like chocolate school chocolate or whatever. You could have this because there are multiple ways you can do it. You could like go the manual way of just like picking everything up again or you could like to plant mushrooms on it.

Rosey:

And in what way? Are they going to do it?

Avery:

What were they going to do it and which is going to happen faster and

Rosey:

you could have sob stories. Okay, but how long have people been watching survivor? That's true. Imagine if all the people in survivor instead of doing survivor we're cleaning up the trash island just added to

Avery:

the problem with cleaning up the trash Island.

Rosey:

Put it I don't know. And

Avery:

it should because there's nowhere else to go. That's why I think the mushrooms in the way that I told you. I watched that documentary on mushrooms. I can't remember it's called Nova. It's on Netflix. And There literally is a TED talk of a guy that's like yeah, there was like nuclear waste or something crazy. He just infected it with mushrooms and they ate all of it and they turned it into its own ecosystem like not only was the was the waste gone, there was like beautiful grass and like butterflies came and birds show ideas

Rosey:

just called mushrooms. Yeah. And we figure out which mushrooms can solve which a world problem.

Avery:

It's called fungi.

Rosey:

It's really about families for some reason they want families to be involved like a match like like like Family Feud except family mushroom cleaning.

Avery:

Well, wasn't there a family thing? What was my Extreme Makeover or something? Wasn't that about family? I

Rosey:

don't remember. Anyway, we gotta get our bed. Honestly, not for nothing if TV producers did decide to solve these problems they would solve instead of watching bachelor fucking again. There's a bachelor with the group ladies on the Treasure Island. That's where the date is each like group date is just cleaning up trash. I don't watch The Bachelor. I did watch one season I get the appeal. So don't get offended people who listen who do like the bachelor. But there's this comedian Jared freed. Who does like reaction videos like Instagram stories are super quick. I never watched them because I'm like, I don't care about the show. I got stuck on them. I watched like four minutes of his reactions. It is so funny. I couldn't watch the show. If I was watching it the way he's watching it. He was like watch her become a villain. The group date was a kid's birthday party. Like what?

Avery:

traumatizing for

Rosey:

what part anyway, this one girl like won't help. And then Hillary Duff is at the birthday party.

Avery:

What is Hillary's kid?

Rosey:

Because I watched this thing and it's not her kid. It's just the random

Avery:

she performing is Lizzie McGuire.

Rosey:

Know what the faces when they find out the kid's birthday party not excited the girls faces when Hillary Duff arrives. They all lose their goddamn mind. So the whatever this is one contestant who like isn't helping she pulls the guy away at some point while they're all prepping the birthday party. They literally like blowing up all the balloons like they're doing all the work. They're random ideas. Yeah, takes the guy to the side. They like make out 100 Noodle at the kid's party. They like hump by the pool. And then they go back they cut I mean, I'm not watching the whole episode. I'm just seeing the scenes he chooses. So then he's doing a bit and he's like, this girl has decided to be the villain like she came in with a plan. Her plan is to be the villain. She didn't help at all. And then she by herself sings happy birthday and brings the cake out and then drops the cake.

Avery:

Yes, you know what? She got a rose? Of course she did. Well, that helped him by the bad girls win. Yeah. Anyway, like that girl. reweigh always gonna win. Honestly, Rihanna is probably a great person.

Rosey:

Rihanna. Yeah, probably. Yeah, she seems very,

Avery:

very balanced. Very balanced. She seems like the whole Chris what's his face thing? She seems like she's, you know, she's just smoking weed all the time. She's What is his name? You know, the bad guy? Yeah. Is she who like battered her?

Rosey:

I can't remember his name and I feel okay about that. Brown

Avery:

Brown. I was about to say Chris Reuleaux but it's not.

Rosey:

So if you see that he got Jason Derulo. Jason Damona. No, because someone thought he was Asher. And so he like up he like beat a person up there. So your name so often to me to Jason's not okay

Avery:

he's like my name is very important

Rosey:

the middle and end of every godets great. You should be is he great? I don't know. He is great. He should be so lucky. Anyway Anyway,

Avery:

trash Island

Rosey:

one I would I would be on it 100 People the crossover between environmentalists Yeah. on reality TV yeah

Avery:

I also feel like there's a little bit of wipe out in here somehow for sure because like what if you like go through the

Rosey:

okay but also with Wipeout, like why don't you just stop building their own things and just use trash for just bring what's back.

Avery:

We partnered with other reality shows to bring them the trash. Yeah, they use that. Yeah, your sets. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

Rosey:

We are going to solve all just get grid on our side. Greta Gerwig. Kind of Gerwin. The teenager who's solving it? Oh, yeah,

Avery:

Greta. Yeah, sir.

Rosey:

I forget number Turnberry or something. I can picture it spelled but I don't know how to pronounce it. Exactly. Anyway. So that's what we're

Avery:

watching right is burned out. She's like she's doing now and she's done. It's so tired. She's literally carrying us on her.

Rosey:

Me a 30 open. I'm just like Greg has got it. Can I help you? Oh, what do you need

Avery:

all those kids that are protesting school? They got it? Yeah, I don't need it. I'm just trying at like to compost.

Rosey:

That's more than most try not to contribute. So.

Avery:

You just got a laugh at this. Really? Did you watch don't look up really not good? No, I haven't. Oh, isn't Ryan Zeo Don't ya? Yeah, we just gotta get the media on it. The whole it's all about spin. Yeah. Anyway, we can do it.

Rosey:

Okay, and now we are going to talk about Legally Blonde came out in 2001. So Reese Witherspoon is a sorority girl, or I should say Elle Woods is a sorority girl. And she decided to go to Harvard because her boyfriend dumps her and says he needs to be some more serious. And her response is, I'll take the LSAT and be a lawyer too. And then you can

Avery:

marry me follow you.

Rosey:

But not just follow the Harvard like, I'm gonna get into Harvard, right, which I think is important only because she's really a badass and really just believe she can do whatever she thinks she can do. Yeah, I

Avery:

have some thoughts about this. Okay, go ahead. Well, I think the way she gets in Yes, she has really good test scores. But the way she gets in is instead of doing it a sh she makes a video and it should be in a bikini and then the sea which I'm not judging her for being in a bikini but this scene where she they like have the conversation of whether or not she should get in they have her headless torso in the background wearing a bikini as these old men are talking is not in it her heads not and, and obviously like some of the men are arguing for her because they want this hot girl to come to their campus, which he doesn't really

Rosey:

obvious though, just because they're men, and it's like, no, the way

Avery:

they're talking about it is one guy being like, oh, no, no, and then like looking at her and Makini being like we really need diversity. Interesting. That was the vibe that I got is like she had a leg up because they wanted to fuck her kind of.

Rosey:

Yeah, I guess that could be true. I guess I could beat you I guess at that like doesn't bother.

Avery:

It doesn't Well, I don't know. It's it's not necessary, like, bothers me. Because we've talked about Yeah, don't like use whatever you have to go Yeah, people are writing her off. So right that what she needs to do fine. But when I was watching it, I was kind of like, okay, so we're not letting someone into this very because of her URL because she's taking that slot and it feels very, like fair. That feels like really like upper class white privilege.

Rosey:

That is true. I think that's true. I guess that bothers me more than the idea that like she got in because she's hot. Yeah. Because I don't think that's the only reason she got in but you're right there was someone somewhere who busted their ass for much longer with much less and didn't get in because she did

Avery:

and there's just I think it was like a little it was just like a little little for me like how that was kind of glossed over like her getting in was just like not hard at all.

Rosey:

Well, that's the whole point. What like it's hard. Like that's the whole

Avery:

joke of the but it's not hard. her because she's a rich white.

Rosey:

So I mean, I guess I, I went onto your downbeat in a good mood and then just saw everything as a good spin. Okay. Which doesn't mean that's how we should talk about it is negative spin. It was just injury. Yeah. No, that is interesting. I don't think we need to talk about it just positively either. Like, that's the point. The version of this movie that would come out now would not have that. I don't wish it wouldn't have gotten. Yeah, probably not. Yeah, probably not. Or it would be like three years later, she gets in because she does like other shit to try to work on anything.

Avery:

Yeah. I mean, but it is what it is legally. One is what it is.

Rosey:

So I mean, isn't that I think the entire I don't think there's a single character of color and the entire thing. No, there. Yeah. So it's a 2000 and the forgiving 2001 version. Yeah.

Avery:

The only queer woman. Only queer character is a lesbian who literally organized a march for like lesbians against drunk driving drunk driving. Yeah, like, that's her, like one or two lines.

Rosey:

Yeah. I mean, it's it's a movie from 2001. So it's very few 1001.

Avery:

It's just so interesting how quickly things have changed. I mean, I know this was 20 years ago, but we remember this coming out. Like we remember watching this when we were young, though, when I watched it. I don't remember watching it thinking it was like, doing anything. I just thought it was fun.

Rosey:

Like, I don't remember what I mean. I definitely wasn't picking up on any of the things we just mentioned. But I also wasn't watching it thinking like, wow, how surprising this movie is actually kind of feminist. Yeah, like, I didn't have that thought. I just was like, Haha, funny jokes and cool clothes. And like she was Yeah.

Avery:

And then on the good side, you know, feminist wise, it is interesting that like, women, the whole point of that, I think, especially knowing Reese Witherspoon, whether it's been was involved, like what's in her head while she's in this is showing that a woman doesn't have to be any particular thing to like, be successful or be valuable.

Rosey:

And it was her decision to do the pink like to always be wearing pink, like, literally constantly. And she basically had that point. She was like, you can wear pink and do whatever else you're doing. Like your clothes are relevant. And that was like part of it. You don't have to go into one box. Yeah, and I did like that. And yeah, it's fine. Like the she's constantly just subverting expectations, which is cool. And there's a lot of women supporting women that I feel like wasn't happening in a bunch of other movies around this.

Avery:

Yeah, you know what it reminded me of again, just watching it. Yeah, like, cold I haven't eaten so many years. was clueless.

Rosey:

Oh, yeah, they right they they that's in purpose. They like pitched it as clueless meets the white papers, I think. Okay, which was like a movie about law school.

Avery:

Yeah, I got that immediately. And it's interesting that you said it's there's a lot of women supporting women because clueless doesn't really have that. Know, they're shitty to each other shady to each other. That's kind of the point and she, she realizes like, Oh, I'm being shady to my friends. But you don't see women like enjoying each other?

Rosey:

No. Even like the two like ditzy sorority girl characters immediately you're like, Okay, this will help you study for the LSAT, then I don't really get why you're doing Yeah, they're so

Avery:

the entire sorority is so excited for her. Yeah, so into it.

Rosey:

They're equally excited to help her do that as they were when like the guy came over and thought she was getting engaged. Like they're just excited for their friend. We didn't seem to just be just be about getting the guy. It was a lot about that. But not only yeah

Avery:

he was kind of like a weird straw man. Like he didn't have a personality. Yeah, he was like was his name he was a white like yeah, like a cardboard cutout of a white man. Yeah, like on purpose. Yeah. Apparently that actor Matthew Davis was just like completely in love with

Rosey:

really great Blair.

Avery:

Blair.

Rosey:

I think Vivian the one who plays with it. Yeah. Yeah, he like couldn't like they had to keep like restarting scenes and you'd have to like calm down because he couldn't be here my

Avery:

God.

Rosey:

And the woman who plays Paulette, Jennifer Coolidge was just obsessed with the like the quote from her was something like I'm so I was so in love with my UPS guy, but he's married and has kids so I had to shut it down. So there's just like, crushes flying on the Sun illegally while it

Avery:

is very fun. Yeah, I loved the scene where they he like comes to pick her up for their day and they kiss and it's like kind of long kiss and like all of the girls are just lined up around them like a semicircle. Yes, yes. That's when Warner comes together. Yeah, yeah, that'd be really funny.

Rosey:

Well, what I was writing down was I have this similar reaction as to when we watched I love you man. And like, there were just so many lines that I was like people say this like I just hear this. Oh, like what like it's hard like that gets quoted a lot. I guess this isn't quoted but the scene like so the opening scene when she gets upset in the restaurant because he's not proposing he's breaking up with her. That cry is like, I love it. I just think I was like, laugh out loud like it She's very funny.

Avery:

Yeah, Reese's. Really good comedic timing. And it's really funny. She brings that even to her dramatic pieces. Like she's very funny. A Big Little Lies. Yes. Like she has like that

Rosey:

thing. Yeah, whatever that is. Okay. So yeah, I feel like the other. So what I was gonna say about Elle and Paulette so Paula is Jennifer Coolidge when the manicurist when they're one of my favorite scenes of them supporting each other, well use the mostly l supporting Paulette, but she helps her get her dog back. Do you remember that scene? She like just says a bunch of legal words that like don't make any sense to confuse the guy and then they take the dog and I thought that was hysterical that they both are just holding their dogs. She brings that dog everywhere. She does bruiser Bruiser, the Chihuahua.

Avery:

I wonder if this was one of his Paris Hilton a thing? I think around because Paris Hilton always had a purse dog. They called them personal. So

Rosey:

I wonder if they were copying that? Yeah.

Avery:

And then you have to think like how much of this? I don't know. I like to think about how much of the the thing was inspired by what was really life happening in in Hollywood right then? Because we know now that Paris Hilton is extremely smart. Yes. So

Rosey:

I think a lot of it was it sounded from like the one article I read, which I'll post in the show notes. It sounds like they were like they were doing a lot of things very, very intentionally. So they were trying to make a point, like all the time. And then what did you think of Luke Wilson skipping initially, because so there is a lot like he's a quote unquote, love interest, though. They never kiss or like, go out on a date, or even talk about dating each other, but they just like, have a lot of eye contact. And you're like, he's really cool. But basically, he's cool just because he like, believes in her like, she'll be like, I think this thing and he'll be like, Okay, you should try to do that. Like spoon. He just treats her like a person. Like he treats everyone sort of in a loop. Well, so anyway, he really felt like he was just playing himself. Yeah, always kind of Yeah, it's like he's just sort of like aloof but earnest. The same time he so apparently, they cast him because they were having trouble casting the character. And they just kept calling him to Luke Wilson character. And then someone was like, well, let's see Luke Wilson. He was like, show my love as really, it was supposed to be really raunchy. And they took a bunch of stuff out of it. Like there was a bunch of lines the women were supposed to have that they were like, No, so that it like slowly became a more of a feminist story, as they like, took other things away. And there was like a bunch of alternate endings. So they shot the actual ending of the movie, like, almost a year later.

Avery:

Oh, that is weird. Do you know what the original ending was? So

Rosey:

there's a couple of one of the alternate endings was it ending with them kissing and they did a bunch of screens of it and ever all the women walked out being like, that's not what that fucking movie was about. Like, what the hell was that? Oh, that's

Avery:

interesting. I

Rosey:

hope that was interesting in 2001, because most of those movies ended with a kiss.

Avery:

Yeah, cuz I watched a lot. And you would think like, if there was tension and eye contact, by the end, you'd be like, Oh, kiss instead, the

Rosey:

end was her being? Well, I'm glad they didn't make her the valedictorian because I would have been really hard to believe, but she was a class elected speaker. So she speaks at the graduation. And then they show like caption so they show that like her and Vivian are best friends now. And then they show him and it says, they've been together for two years. And he's gonna propose tonight, but you never see but like you don't watch their romance just like happening in the background is really cool. Yeah, I liked that. And I love that women leaving. We're like, watch. Now. We don't need that. Wilson's kiss. No, like, that's fine. They'll just see

Avery:

Luke Wilson's eye contact and projected confidence in us. That's all you need. Yeah. And

Rosey:

then the second Cheetos was a big the like one thing that I also thought was interesting for its time, because it kept the article I read came out in 2021. So they were talking about the me to movement a lot, because there was a scene where she is helping her professor with a trial. Like they're all helping, that's the big trial in this whole movie, like the main point and he calls her into his office to talk about her future. And then it's like, slowly telling her like watching it today, you're like, he's going to hit on, he's going to touch it. But she's like, earnestly, like, okay, like, wanting to take notes on like, his advice, which is like how to work hard and pick your direction in law, whatever. And then he puts his hand on her knee and like slides at upper thigh, and she immediately bats it away and says, Are you hitting on me? And he's like, he says something gross. I don't know. Like, yeah, but you got to go after what you want or whatever. And he was, she was like, okay, so all that was a lie. And you don't think I'm smart than I'm out of here. And she just immediately leaves and quits the case. And I feel like that's a cool way to show that scene. i It's would be very hard to actually do like, I liked it. It was just an instant like, no, and then Vivian does assume like, I love when people do this movie. She like sees it through the like door cracked open, and immediately is like you're a whore. I didn't like that. And then she tells she does. l doesn't say anything. And Vivian sees her leaving catches her, like as she's getting in the elevator, and was like, I don't know something shitty door. She doesn't call her horror, but says something shitty of like, whatever going after whatever you want her like bah, blah, blah. And then l just leaves and then sees Luke Wilson and tells him and he believes her instantly. That's nice. So that was nice.

Avery:

So I'm getting a little bit more your reaction to what I brought up earlier. Yeah, she only got into Harvard because she was hot. Yeah, I don't think she only got into Harvard. But like a big buck. Yeah, I don't know. That's weird to me that they would then that they would use that plot device, but then also show I mean, she's a little bit oblivious to it. She doesn't think that that had anything to do. She thinks it's all her personality, which is also an interesting yes thing. And I mean, her

Rosey:

personality in that. So like she's in, like bedazzled bikini. I'm not saying that the men weren't interested in that. But her. The the brazenness was, which she like holds herself is also hot. Like I feel like there's something about her that is very enticing. Yeah. Which isn't maybe white. She also hired like she has a line of saying she like hired a famous like she's from Bel Air. Yeah. And she hired a famous director to like, shoot that. Yeah. So your point about privilege is also true. But I think that is Yeah, part of my. They let her She is very smart. They let her be very smart. Yeah. Which is also interesting. Both are true. Yeah. That should that get you a spot at Harvard when you decided to go like three months beforehand? I don't know.

Avery:

Or in reality,

Rosey:

I guess what did in reality? Yeah. Yeah.

Avery:

This isn't reality. It's Legally Blonde.

Rosey:

Which I never said, for some reason you saying that reminded me there's a musical. Oh, really remember that? It was like on Broadway. Oh, I know nothing about it. Interesting. I hope it was good. The two themes I wrote down were women supporting women and that she just has like, unwavering self belief. And that was the main other thing when I was like, looking at the internet to see what the internet says that it was just like, she really did just believe she could do whatever she tried. Some of that probably is to your point from privilege, like she's never been told she can't. But because she's a dumb blonde. She was people consistently thought she was gonna be stupid. And I feel like this movie was her being like, well, I know. I'm smart. So Oh, ha ha, he was become dumb if you want to, like, I don't really care. So I thought that was really interesting.

Avery:

Does she I forget does she end up having like a passion for law? Yes. Okay. That's interesting to me, too. I'm glad

Rosey:

that Yeah. And they show her studying a lot. And they show her with case files a lot. And they show her like, they show her in class. And they'll ask her questions, because they call on her only, like every time. And you can tell you, I feel like they do a really good job watching, like how much she's learning and how interested she is in it. And then when they're showing the case, she connects to the defendant right away, because the woman is a delta new, like they're from the same sorority, and immediately wants to, like, help her but I think that's where they really show like she does care about people, like the character of L cares about people. So she really immediately wanted to help. And I think that was part of the law, too. She was like, Oh, here's a place where I have power and skill and I can like make change for you. But the moment where she actually wins the case is hysterical. And stunning. Like you don't see it coming. Everyone knows it now like ammonia, fake oxalate or something is in your hair if you get a perm, and so you can't get it wet. And that's how she figures the whole thing out, which is very fun. That's a good, great twist.

Avery:

Yeah, the writing is good. I recall it being good. Yeah,

Rosey:

it's good. And it's quick.

Avery:

Did Reese do any? Did she produce it or anything?

Rosey:

I didn't read that. But I don't know. I think it was before it was like after Cruel Intentions. So she had like some star power but she wasn't.

Avery:

I mean, I think this was a huge part of her becoming that's what famous I agree.

Rosey:

That's what the article I read that. So it was written by two women, Karen McCullough Lutz and Kirsten Smith and that it was directed by a guy Robert, luda tech, Luca tech. Never. And it's based on a book. You also didn't know. And it was produced by No, not her. Marc Platt and Rick kidney. Who wrote the book. Do you know Amanda Brown looks like she's written a couple of Nope.

Avery:

That was Wow, she made her move. Well, I'm only looking

Rosey:

at the way Oh, she recently released her second book in 2003. called Family Trust. Oh, in another one. Okay. So she's written a handful anyway. Yeah, I didn't know it was written on a book but they changed the end of the book is that her and Vivian dyes her hair blonde, and they start a like, I forget what it's called, but it's like blondes and legal. It's a I don't like that ending. When you don't need to be blonde. I feel like the message was be who you are. I thought the ending of just them being just them graduating was That's That's enough and that her and Vivian are now friends. Like it says they've been best friends. And then it says Warner's graduating with, like, no honors. No job offers and no girlfriend because he fucking is

Avery:

garbage. Yeah, he's so boring. So basic. So

Rosey:

he he there's this whole thing when they break up, he keeps calling her poohbear And I wrote down if he calls her poohbear One more time, I'm gonna stab him in the face like it's I don't know. I mean, I guess if it means something to you any pet name from a loved one is like nice, but poor. I don't like it. And then the best part to me is that when they're at Harvard, he calls his fiancee poohbear Like, you can't even come up with a different pet names. Like why are you calling girls like

Avery:

What do you mean? I'm like a fat bear. That was funny. He gets like stuck places because I'm so

Rosey:

dumb like that. I recently watched some

Avery:

kind of hot kind of dumb

Rosey:

recently watched it with my nieces. I'm like, he really one track mind for that honey.

Avery:

He loves piglet. Honey keeps getting stuck. Yeah, he's

Rosey:

constantly no because he wants honey.

Avery:

You would think that he would know his limits by now. Just collect the honey

Rosey:

and bring it out and then he did just reach in

Avery:

you don't need to leave and it poo.

Rosey:

I'm not going to take control. I don't think you need to be like tracking your honey on new. I just think you need to have a better strategy of use your head. Ella smarter than Pro I wouldn't be insulted. I don't like poohbear. And no one ever called me.

Avery:

No, we're not a fan. Although I do love who I was when I was little. Like right to the things. Yeah. Who and Scooby Doo are my favorites. And a little bit Barney but which we've already talked about. Barney would come up multiple times.

Rosey:

That's interesting. Yeah, I guess I did it on purpose though. I had him use Pooh Bear twice because that again, lame. He's

Avery:

supposed to be lame. Yeah. He also has character traders that he doesn't really have any personality of his own. He's just like, following what he's supposed to do.

Rosey:

Correct. And he also didn't get in the first thing he got waitlisted but she's straight on it

Avery:

straight on in that bikini. slitter. Right.

Rosey:

The one thing I wrote down because you made the comment about the one lesbian lawyer who like just keeps talking about how she's a lesbian. But they never like show her in a love. They never show her and

Avery:

vaccines SVN which is a thing back then you either had sexy lesbians who were secretly straight or the like

Rosey:

she was like the butchy butchy I don't know it was yeah, that I noticed and wrote down and then there's a handful of gay men at the hair salon. I shouldn't get I don't know that flamboyant and who I assumed they were trying to portray as gay who like we're wearing like, like mostly unbuttoned sequenced? Like shirts. sequined Yeah,

Avery:

yeah, I say sequenced.

Rosey:

Well, I was just kind of Yeah, that's incorrect. What I said it's like biopic. I saw that the other day and read it as biopic again.

Avery:

I was like, Rosie, I like it.

Rosey:

Anyway, they made them really like they're during the whole bend and snap thing which apparently they hired a choreographer who done like, a ton of music videos. And he was like, all I'm ever asked about is bending. It's like a minute long, like, I don't know. That's ridiculous. But um,

Avery:

do you think that Alexis also has her foundations and Legally Blonde a little bit in show watch from Shakespeare? Yeah.

Rosey:

Maybe a little bit. I what I've read about her is that she's mostly based on the Kardashians. Okay. But that doesn't. Or how much an Paris and how much are they based?

Avery:

So maybe, maybe they're the same?

Rosey:

I feel like she would have a purse dog if she

Avery:

could. Yeah, but she said she likes secretly. Yeah, that was what I was gonna say. Yeah, she

Rosey:

has a turtle she like leave

Avery:

it in like a hot car.

Rosey:

She really the fourth thing,

Avery:

she's no one gets

Rosey:

to die or have anything else which is funny because she works at a vet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, she's not good with the pet. She hates that good with anything there.

Avery:

She's not PRs better for fit for her.

Rosey:

Yeah. One thing I wrote and I'm curious, I know you haven't seen it at all. But I wrote down she's somehow not floody like there's something maybe it's just because it's recent. She has the like, big eyes and like she's sexy. And she's flaunting that but I feel like she doesn't come off is zero. I don't know.

Avery:

Like the character of Elle is not sexy. She's she's attractive. Yes. Like you said earlier like I kind of want to be Around Yeah, yeah to be her friend, but I don't think she's hot.

Rosey:

She's like alluring somehow. Yeah,

Avery:

she's like skinny and white. Yeah. And that way she's hot and blonde.

Rosey:

Yeah, but even the scene where she's walking around and like bunny ears and basically lingerie, you're just like, well, you and those cool reads.

Avery:

Oh, you Yeah, no, totally. Totally. She Yeah, she doesn't have that like, Megan Fox. No, she does it all which, somehow nth degree but like, somehow How does hell no matter what you no matter what she's doing? Be like, she

Rosey:

is funny. That woman is funny. Yeah. And I've seen her be funny. And you're so like, You're so hot. Yeah. Sorry.

Avery:

Angelina Jolie has it too. Yeah, just that thing where you're like, you were just like, oh, you can't even listen. Time. Yeah,

Rosey:

it's too much. Yeah,

Avery:

Reese doesn't have that. She's very wholesome. Which I think is important. Your point to your point. I think they needed someone like that for this character. Yes. Which is also kind of fucking annoying, because that's part of people taking her seriously, I think. Yeah. Seriously?

Rosey:

Well, yeah. And the character I mean, maybe yes. I don't know if I think that's annoying or not, but like with some of the other things she does to stand out aren't like, she like she doesn't flirt with people to get what she wants. She instead printed her resume out on pink paper and sprayed it with perfume. Yeah. Which is a good different she's kind of the whole she's kind of night. Yeah. And the whole thing is a murder trials. No, no, no, no

Avery:

one cares that someone was killed. Yeah, it's fine. Who killed him whose daughter Oh, by mistake.

Rosey:

Because she the whole thing is she's asking her questions really, really fast as they do in movies. Maybe they do in real life. I've never seen a murder trial. But she figures it out like you watch l realize something and ends up being the hair perm thing. But she is asking questions really, really fast and is basically like, you obviously didn't take a shower because your curls are still there. So that means you would have seen her hide the gun because the story is that the daughter comes down and sees her covered in blood with no gun over her husband spotty. And finally she blurts out, it was me, but I thought it was her coming through the door like the stepmom because it's that mom's her age. So she was gonna kill her I guess. For that, for that reason. Just saying you don't explore that. That's not the point. The point is that L one. That's all that matters.

Avery:

They took a baby step they took a baby steps, right?

Rosey:

Well, I don't really think of anything else say what Legally Blonde? Do you?

Avery:

I don't think so. It just makes me want to go like, Watch More Luke Wilson stuff

Rosey:

more Luke Wilson. And honestly, everything just makes me want to watch the sexualized

Avery:

thing does. Yeah, yeah. That will be problematic in the future.

Rosey:

I mean, everything we could find reasons it's problematic. Now, like, I don't know, it's important to notice the problems, and some are much more glaring than others. But sometimes also, like, just let it well, nothing

Avery:

can be perfect. Yeah. Especially things that take risks and try to move the Yeah, move the what's the word move the needle? Like those are definitely on the edge. Like I think some of Broad City is problematic. And I was like, groundbreaking to be watching that. Yeah.

Rosey:

Well, also, to our point about things being going down to the individual level, no matter what you're talking about, like, is that okay? Is that not okay? Can we say like, should we not say that, like, someone could see a scene as problematic, and someone else could be like, I don't think that's a problem, right? And even if one person identifies with the offended party in the scene, they might still not think it's a problem, right? Like so then you're like, Okay, well, maybe we don't have to say something's a problem or not a problem. That's true just exists. And like, all of our interpretations are important, but I don't think we're ever all going to agree. On any.

Avery:

No, and that wouldn't be interesting. I'd be fucking boring. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you just got me thinking about like, feeling guilty for liking things that are problematic. Like, I really like American Pie. I've seen American Pie many times, and I enjoy it. And it's bad. Yeah. It's like bad for women. But I like it. Yeah,

Rosey:

I there's plenty of things I like that I don't think are good for anybody. Particularly Well, I think it depends on like, I feel like the important part is that awareness, you're not watching that movie being like, I'm gonna go I'm gonna take what I've learned from American Pie and operate in the world that way.

Avery:

I mean, I did when I was younger. Yeah. Because you had no this I know other things. You know, things are a representation. Yeah. This is why representational things are important. Important is not a there's no judgment involved in his judgment. There's no inherent value in the word important, if learned can be negative, positive, neutral that have a huge impact. Yeah. It reminds me of Dave Chappelle when he said, I'm not doing comedy anymore. Because I realized people were laughing for the wrong reasons.

Rosey:

i He was never my taste of comedy. Yeah. Like I just didn't, I feel like I didn't get it or something. So maybe I was wondering, laughing at the wrong thing,

Avery:

or maybe the right thing you were like, I don't know, this makes you uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah,

Rosey:

I don't know. Like, it's not for me. I wasn't into it. But some people were so into that last special that I know we've talked about a little bit, that then they went down a rabbit hole, because on a podcast I listened to they were super into him. And they're usually like, overly politically, or like really conscious of having conversations about political correctness and stuff. And then when you read the articles about why people were upset by it, it seems legitimate. They were upset, like, I don't have an opinion really on. Well, I haven't been canceled or not. Well, he said a lot. Apparently, he really upset the trans community. I don't know the details. But it just felt again, like, well, I don't it's what so can we not watch it? And like, what's like, what are the rules? I mean, we've talked about that removing the, like, removing the Creator from the Yeah, what is the thing I'm trying to removing the

Avery:

Creator from their work? Yeah. But then also, it's like this runs up season, sorry, a little bit, because he's talking about this. You also have to look at like the context like in his standup, he's like, 10 years ago, people were just throwing around the word gay, like everywhere, and you're constantly you're gonna dig up a tweet from 10 years ago,

Rosey:

it was the last thing he done. No,

Avery:

I did that in 2016 2017. Yeah, maybe 28? I don't remember. Yeah. But in his standup, he talks about canceled culture. And that's when he's like, does anybody remember how fucked up it was 10 years ago? Like, how can we get people to not be a product of their environment?

Rosey:

I agree. I agree. That was another thing. I was listening to armchair expert. And he was interviewing Brooke Shields and was like, there was a really intense Barbara Walters interview where Barbara wasn't great or whatever, like, didn't treat Brooke Shields very well. And he was like, I'm not even judging her like the pool. Like, we were all swimming in this dangerous pool in the 80s. And she was also in the pool. So like, the problem, or the interesting thing is the pool, not like, Barbara individually shouldn't have asked that question. And I feel like that's the way to look at a lot of this stuff to like, oh, that's representative of the time.

Avery:

Yeah. And I think the really best work, but it's really hard to consistently produce it and really expect many people to be able to see the pool. But I think the best fictional stuff is like look at this pool. Yeah. Like, don't look up is like that. You should watch. Yeah, it's very much like, What the fuck is going on? Let's take a breath. It's really good. Okay,

Rosey:

all right down also. Oh, my God, you saying that? I watched Bo Burnham.

Avery:

What did you think?

Rosey:

I had trouble breathing.

Avery:

Which fun. Do you remember?

Rosey:

Like lying in the bed and he's very upset. He like, tries to record that he's like a year in and he keeps crying and having to like leave the room. It wasn't even one of his specific pieces. So I don't remember everything you said to me about it. I mean, the impressive part is that he did it all by himself is like, I don't really understand that how that happened.

Avery:

The level of talent, the level of talent

Rosey:

and dedication and when I think about just editing this podcast, I get to, I really only go through it twice, maybe three times. And I'm like, oh my god, I can't listen to a say this again. Like, just because you're hearing it over and over the amount of times he had to like watch back himself. Uh huh. My house a mess of

Avery:

them. Yeah. One of my favorite sketches from that is yeah, you do your you know exactly finding it. Yeah, the analyzing your own behavior and then analyzing your analyzing, oh, my nausea, and Oh, guys, it's so smart. That was good.

Rosey:

I mean, all of it was so smart. Like, that was really good. I loved the white woman's Instagram was really good. There's a lot of like, he did a couple that were like, like, you should stop talking. The white man needs to be quiet. But I'm a different kind of white man. Like that was really funny. Like, I'm a listening white man. But it was fun. I was aware, obviously, which is like most

Avery:

of it, which I think is crippling for him in real life.

Rosey:

He doesn't seem well. You are and I hope I'm wrong. But watching it I was like, I mean, also he's alone. He's alone. Like he's not like, yeah, maybe in the I don't really know. I did actually look him up on Instagram. He doesn't post very often, which is probably good. And also if I had just done this, I don't want to look at my face. Yeah, for a while. That's

Avery:

a good point. Like,

Rosey:

I'm done with me. I'm done with, like interacting with me or being entertained by me. I mean, so yeah, phenomenally well done. You were right. It was heavy. It seemed like a lot. He seemed like he went through a lot

Avery:

mentally. I feel like not to like get off a go but I'm feeling that way again. Yeah. me, and I'm not even like really hardcore quarantine because I live by myself. I'm taking tests all the time. Like, I'm still like going to grocery stores and still go out to eat like, I'm not really quarantining in any way. But like, mentally I'm like, back there mentally I feel like trapped. Yes. So I do too. I guess I'm bringing that up. Because even if he was going places, the psychological experience of it was like being trapped. Yeah. And

Rosey:

like, I'm wearing masks again, right now. We wear masks when we go to the places to have to wear them. Like we're following all the rules. But like, the, the feeling in the summer when you saw people's faces, like I miss people's faces. Also, I'll only see part of like, when you see their full face, it doesn't look like the top of their face, like, oh my god, they're a whole human all of a sudden now. And I saw I started a new job. And I saw my boss in person. And it was like, wow, I've literally only seen you on Zoom. And then the one time I saw her in person cheetah mask, like I've still never fully seen Yeah, her yet. Weird, I canceled. I'm over. Zoom. I don't think this is a hot take. But I feel like this is like people don't want to talk about it. remote work is not all it's cracked up to be folks. I hate it. There's pros

Avery:

and cons to it. Because sometimes I'm like, I love it. Because I control my own time. Yeah, I can like do a lot of other things. Yeah. But then the days that I do go into the office, because I do go sometimes I'm much happier. I'm so much happier. And I can focus Yeah, in a way that I can at home. Like I'm always like, low key mad that I'm working when I'm home, because I want me to do right now to all your other things. Yeah. Whereas when you're at work, it's like, Nope, I'm here. What I'm doing.

Rosey:

I also get up earlier, I get there earlier than I get to log off earlier. It's not like I I'm not at me personally, I'm not actually more productive on the days I work from home. Like in my other world. It's not like, I don't do my laundry during the workday and then folded at lunch. I do it when I log off and then watch TV like I'm not I'm not getting more done. And then I work out. Because I started going to work at classes. They're all at 630 or 730. At night. So I'm whether I go the office or not, doesn't have like, impact. Yeah, I

Avery:

think I always want to have the option because it's I agree, I agree. It's really nice. If I have like something I have to run out to do for like an hour. It's really nice to just be at home and not feel like watch. I agree. What I do hope happens is I hope that employers have more trust of their employees. Like if you show up and you get all your work done, like I don't care if you're at your at your desk. You know, like Ruth, I don't know if that's

Rosey:

true. And I think the option should always exist because for some people, it's changing their lives. Like it's changing how they have to deal with childcare, or like someone else they're caring for, or they're able to work two jobs more easily, like whatever your case is. So I definitely agree that the option should be there. I'm just a little tired of the idea of like, we're so lucky remote works the best. Yeah, cuz I started a new job and like, I don't know, my like, team. Like, there's not like it's so hard to build relationship connection from zoom. Did you? I mean, you start a new job during the pandemic, too.

Avery:

Yeah, I mean, I am very sensitive to people. So in some ways, I like being able to put shop computer Yeah, be around people. But it sounds weird, because it is business but your relationship is so business like yeah, because you're only talking to it's like hard to be like, let's just have a happy hour on Zoom. Like no, it's fucking weird. Yeah. So yeah, it is very like, only focused on work. And then when work stuff doesn't go well. It's like your relationship doesn't go. That's all you have. Yeah, I don't know. But then my last job was pretty much all remote. We had a great time. So I don't, I don't know. Again, it probably comes down to individuals. Some people are like, Zoom is so much like changing the world. It's so much better. It's not better. I'm worried that we're losing. I'm not the only person thinking this way. But like, I think people are forgetting how to like be with other people.

Rosey:

Will they forget? Yes. And I think they're also forgetting the value in it. Yeah. And sometimes I wonder how much of that is self preservation? Like, how much of that is like true. I have to lean in and like act like this is good, because I can't think about how bad it is. That's true. Yeah. That like, so I mean, it's probably, again, different for different people. Some people probably are like, this is great. I don't like being around people. Now. I don't have to

Avery:

Yeah, but I but I also think that we're truly in the age of the narcissist. Like I think and not pathologically. Yeah. People are just so about like, like, I heard a stat a statistic the other day that 1/5 of millennials are cutting off their parents, like a strange thing, their parents. And I worry that yeah, and not just about parents, but I worry that there's like a demonizing of other people happening when you're like, and I Do it when I'm like, not happy and around someone else. I'm like, it's that person's fault. Yeah. Or like, Fuck

Rosey:

you, I'm gonna look out for myself. Exactly. I'm

Avery:

gonna like that's kind of that's a thing. Like, that's a pop culture thing right now to be like, like you see it on Instagram as like inspirational quotes, like, all you got to do is look after you and just take care of yourself and let the people go that aren't supposed to be in your life. And like, if somebody's not making you feel good, that relationship isn't for you. And like, I'm scared. Everybody is talking like that. And thinking like that. I don't

Rosey:

think everybody actually is like the Internet gives a skewed version because the people who aren't on fucking Instagram aren't thinking like, there's one if you aren't, I do think it's probably a trend and like, generations go through trends. So maybe that not go through trends, but like, maybe that is going to be a thing that has to like, swing back. But what I was gonna say obnoxiously is yet again, it's a fucking balance, like, yes, some people in your life, probably you should let go. That doesn't mean if your parents piss you off sometimes or like, gave you a couple bad habits, you should cut them out of your life. Like, fine. I feel like

Avery:

someone that spent six months not talking to him. Like that. I feel I'm I have also done this. And it was Yeah, great.

Rosey:

No, it's It's like, I mean, I don't know my mom used to always tell me like you have different friends for different things. Like each friend doesn't have to fill all things. And the same is sort of true for family. Like whatever your family dynamic is. They are who they are. So I think it's more about learning how to accept that then be like, you weren't whatever the storybook parent I thought I should have had. So bye.

Avery:

Yeah, and destroy. If a parent doesn't exist. No parents probably would

Rosey:

have annoyed you anyway. Because like,

Avery:

because growing up is hard. And it's much easier to just blame other people for that.

Rosey:

It is. And also it? I don't know, it feels like we're not that old. We're only 30 but I'm like children, you poor things. Like they were kids too. I feel like the older you get, the more you're like, okay, they had parents What was that dynamic? Like? We always need to try to understand each other not to have a little understood everyone else. Yeah. You know, who took everyone as they were and let them be? That was to bring us back. Just be a little more like Elle Woods. Yeah. Except don't like put on a bikini and send a video to a bunch of men. But otherwise, she did some good stuff. Or maybe

Avery:

do that just with eyes wide open.

Rosey:

You do you

Avery:

we support you.

Rosey:

We support you.

Avery:

We just don't want you to get hurt

Rosey:

so this week instead of more we're basically just off the Netflix train. We might go back someday but not for we

Avery:

just disembark Yeah, Netflix train. So this is Esquire. Which I'm really interested in this. It's like a men's magazine. A magazine. Yes.

Rosey:

I mean, I don't know. I'm sure other people read it. What does that even mean? Oh, no, there was another list I found. That was men's health. Yeah. And but

Avery:

is it just that men are on the cover instead of women?

Rosey:

I guess so.

Avery:

I don't know anything about Esquire. Are men truly just never on the cover of like people or gland.

Rosey:

They're on the cover of people, but not glamour. I don't think and not like Cosmo. Yeah, that

Avery:

was what I meant. Yeah. That's weird. I want to change. I don't

Rosey:

know. Okay, so this is Esquire and it's the best 10 Best TV shows of 2021. So they do have some honorable mentions as well. And they wrote we're not going to read the whole like intro but we were proud of our wall not proud. I don't know interested to say excited excited to see that. We they called it the year of gene smart love hacks. Yeah. Mayor of East town.

Avery:

Oh my gosh, really? Yeah.

Rosey:

Because there was hacks in the Middle East. Well,

Avery:

who's writing this? I need to be dating the people that

Rosey:

Justin Kirkland.

Avery:

Justin Kirkland hit me up.

Rosey:

And of course it was Ted law. So just be into law. So it's all like they're into it.

Avery:

I think Justin should guest on this show. Justin, if you hear us follow us on. organizational thing.

Rosey:

I now just want to read his words to you. But we'll post this in the he says at one point he goes Am I being cheesy? Yeah, I'll give you that. Blame it on Tiglath. Oh, nice. So good job. All right. So honorable mention reservation dogs. This is made honorable mention a lot and

Avery:

I don't really get why it's not on the list.

Rosey:

I don't know quite good. We aren't gonna watch the trailer because we watched it a couple episodes back but it's on Hulu. It's FX Hulu show. A re seen it. It's still on my list. It's about season

Avery:

two. New is is already picked up. So there will be more.

Rosey:

And then I haven't heard much about this, but I knew it exists. Shemekia Dune, the video you're gonna watch is a story.

Avery:

Celebrities are having

Unknown:

some issues and challenges in their relationship. They crossed the bridge and they're lost in a town that is an old movie musical flies they are not quite in the town is in an alternate universe. The town is a musical. And now they're stuck in that musical. Why is music coming from everywhere? The people in Sweden don't sort of realize they're unusual. They don't realize they're singing either. Which is hilarious. That was a very handsome song.

Avery:

Let's forget that Alan Cummings. American Yeah, me

Rosey:

too and fun.

Unknown:

And everything is there know how much I hate musicals. People don't just burst into song and real life in general. Of course, as we get to pull the layers back a little bit you get to see that it's not so perfect as it might look from the outset. The whole thing is supposed to feel so surreal. There's this beautiful mix of present day reality and very much an old world sensibility. It is we the Mothers Against the future. So you're against the passage of time. It's a star studded cast. It's so good at musical theater and really bring

Avery:

like a mix of Zoe's playlist and the good plays a dazzling

Rosey:

cinco everything they do and saying I might have a hard time I

Avery:

liked about st goes it does seem a little over the very fun a lot. But I like all of the people that

Rosey:

are every single one. And it's a lot of like Broadway. So what's the plan Josh,

Unknown:

look for someone new. I'm not having a discussion that's part of a musical number. We're also fortunate that Barry Sonnenfeld was the person who signed on to direct us and it's so stylized and beautiful.

Rosey:

Oops, okay, I think we're Yeah, we get the idea. I will all check it out. It's on Apple TV, not Pico.

Avery:

I'm just shocked I've never heard of it at all.

Rosey:

I only heard of it I guess because it kept being on like the banner on Apple TV when I was going there to watch. Okay, another honorable mention is Big Brother. Which is on season something 23 or 24

Avery:

People love this show. I've never gotten into it.

Rosey:

I agree though. I did here because my friend watches it and a the all the black contestants like worked together to game the system to not ever vote each other out until they were the only ones left. That is cool. That's cool, but I've never actually seen Big Brother I've only seen like, clips. Okay, now we're into the actual so it's a countdown so it starts at 1010 is made. We love me love made watch made. It's on Netflix, and you can listen to our whole episode about it. What We Do In The Shadows. We also watched a trailer for this before Did you ever end up going back to it?

Avery:

No, I don't really I'm not into the English version of it. Really? Like if you're gonna do what What We Do In The Shadows. Look for the original title a TD? Australian one.

Rosey:

Is that the movie? It's a movie? Or is it a series?

Avery:

I think it might be both. I don't remember exactly. Clearly. I only watched it once but it's very funny. Also, you know who doesn't live in accent who doesn't

Rosey:

have an accent? Eight is Ted Lhasa which we also did a lot. We're like really unlikely to ask. It strikes me. Okay, so Apple TV we also have

Avery:

what is high on the hog.

Rosey:

Okay, this is on Netflix.

Unknown:

Soul foods. Food both type of food. Yes, you could feel when you eat it. The truth though I'm on a lot of American food has its

Avery:

degree and I needed to eat meat right now what's interesting about that today, can you see it already smells like mac and cheese. This standard yummy dish has a really old history.

Unknown:

I'm Steven Satterfield my journey of American food and meet the new generation preserving our history. We charged him with hair preserve okra as African because it made the voyage with us. It did. We brought it to the new world. Despite the fact that we were in hell, we were suffering someone's boss and above that nonsense. We created a cuisine. Is this something that would have been served to Jefferson and Washington by their enslaved ships? Absolutely. Hercules and Hemi store foundational to the foods that we love today. When you understand your history and understand what You come from that understanding gives you purpose trying to keep the culture going as a player from your turnip greens have transported me back in time we have a deep tradition that you're honoring and what our legacy isn't found in statues or history books that lives on in the people who guard the gates of our culture wow this is a showstopper our story

Rosey:

is American is apple farm Well that looks

Avery:

great. And does

Rosey:

I've had no heard of that. Okay, came out in May. The chair Have you seen any of this?

Avery:

I think I tried to watch this. Does she work at a at a university? Yes.

Rosey:

Says trigger warning for those who work in higher education.

Avery:

I tried watching like the first two scenes of this and I didn't really love it.

Rosey:

Yeah, I've heard mixed things I've heard it's tough to watch it so super into it. So number six is the charity you want to watch the trailer?

Avery:

No. It's got Sandra o in it. We have Sandra Oh,

Rosey:

five is the White Lotus, which we've talked about and I'm opting out of four is we're here. I don't know what this is either saying reality as well. Yeah, does. Yeah, it looks like it's a reality TV LGBTQIA world. Oh, it's a docu series. As people try drag for the first time. Gonna be good. Well, apparently it is good. Number four. Do you have a

Unknown:

theme for Evansville Indiana is American patriotism. The craziest part is always trying to like navigate in these towns low Indiana. In these full on hide lab look. This area is bananas. America. There's the Fourth of July families everywhere gawking at us like we're the only patriotic divas pyre contrary tees have the drag queens Statue of Liberty Eureka loyalty and then here I am looking like the Star Spangled Banner all over the place star star star star if Bob would have poked me with that star one more time I was gonna push her on the ground in Evansville, Indiana Yreka decided to be red.

Avery:

Why didn't they just do they go to different like Statue of Liberty?

Rosey:

Yeah, this seems like specifically about their

Avery:

it seems like they go to different places. So it says

Rosey:

it's hosted by through drag queens and then they follow through subjects to try drag for the first time so I think it's them showing like introducing joins so it's dry

Avery:

clean clear. I

Rosey:

Yeah. So it looks interesting. Okay, number three is squid game. We also them said with that

Avery:

he went real fast

Rosey:

I did I did I have nothing else to say. Scroll. Okay, number two maybe sound which is still am I listening? Yeah,

Avery:

can we watch this trailer? Yeah.

Rosey:

HBO I don't know what

Unknown:

finally Miss lady Hawk herself

Rosey:

just realizing I never watched this trailer.

Unknown:

See this yet? Big right up in the Tribune? I'm going to frame it hang it up in your office. Yeah, please jump. My daughter has been missing for exactly one year and the police aren't doing anything because your mother doing Nero Laura house my ex husband's move into he has to buy the one right behind mine.

Rosey:

Well I've already got a really good deal on Jean smart hey

Unknown:

he's town police department. reporting the dead body in creating Creek. We've decided to bring in a county detective to assist with the case. How do you like working with my mom so far? We're just getting started out in tips below or you're expecting expectations. This is outside.

Avery:

All right. That's great. Evan Peters.

Unknown:

Good. Are you friends with these people? Yeah.

Rosey:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. He's an adult basketball game.

Avery:

I really hope in some show. I think this is gonna be good for your career. Yeah.

Unknown:

terrible events of this past year have ravaged this community. Within this I got the son of a bitch

Rosey:

so weird. Yeah, I mean everything in the show but it is getting it

Unknown:

is. I can't feel it. This expectation from people to be something I don't think I'm good enough. Do

Rosey:

you feel like you're showing the tone? Do you think you're here? Before

Unknown:

you're a lot of things I don't like that you're

Avery:

not afford the music doesn't fit the tone of the show the things the boy

Rosey:

just feels like trailer music example you're worth saving.

Unknown:

recommit yourself

Rosey:

find out everything. Every thing they spend a lot of time in that foyer and the what? And like the foyer like the front. There's like a lot of scenes. Okay, I will watch that. That will watch it.

Avery:

It's yeah, it's about a like rundown female detective that lives in Philly. And she's in a murder investigation. She's like a little off the rails. So they assign her somebody from a central or something. And that's Evan Peters. And it's their investigation of the murder. But she know the cool thing about it is that it's a small town and she knows everybody on the town. So every like, suspect that she's talking to is like a frown or someone she went to high school with or something.

Rosey:

So it's interesting. It's really good. And then he's the outsider. He's the outside. Yeah.

Avery:

And he's just their relationship. He's just so blown away by her. Oh, well,

Unknown:

she's a really good detect. Yeah, so

Avery:

not spoiling anything, but like, he's like a young guy like a young pitcher. And he comes in and he's just like, so enamored. That's how they write it, just how they write it. And then also Evan Peters, who said like, yeah, and I was really like yeah, I just love

Rosey:

it. related video is Tom Holland on hot ones. And like, I really want to watch. Okay, number one is one division. That's sort of surprising. Yeah, I just don't see enough of a top 10 list.

Avery:

It is very smart, though.

Rosey:

It is very smart. It is very good. And I think people like I know people liked it. Who didn't? Like aren't Marvel people.

Avery:

Yeah, I'm not a hot diehard Marvel person. And I thought this show stands alone. Yeah,

Rosey:

it does. Yeah. Because some most of the other shows don't really. So yeah, one division number one. I don't think we have to watch the trailer for that. No, no, but it's very good. Yeah, either way, and it's so smart. And I just like something about it being one of like, the Olsen's younger the twin Olsen's younger sister, it's fun.

Avery:

She's so good. And she's, she's like, really,

Rosey:

I've read a lot of interviews of her being like I almost didn't do this because I was so worried everyone would just think I was copying my sisters. But I'm glad she did.

Avery:

I forget that she

Rosey:

was me too, that she's theirs. They're not

Avery:

it's they're not important anymore. We love them. But I mean to her they're not No no,

Rosey:

no, and they're not. They're not really acting they like did their kid thing. And then they

Avery:

I think they really had to decline anyway thing.

Rosey:

From my limited knowledge. Okay, well then that that's Esquires top 10 of 2021. Well done,

Avery:

Esquire. Yeah, that was great. I agree. Okay, so next week, we're going to do another theme episode. I love a good thing. Rosie loves to see you. I do too. And we're going to be looking at web series. Every every breaks. I'm really excited.

Rosey:

I'm excited too. I just didn't I'm have less connection. Yeah, I

Avery:

just think it's so these are BI web series. I mean, like TV shows that only exist on YouTube, like creators just made them themselves and put them out themselves. And they went places or they didn't Yeah, and I think that's really interesting. Yes. So the ones we're gonna look at we might dig up a few more but we're definitely going to be looking at quarter life. The gay and wonders life of Caleb Gallo Broad City before it was picked up on TV and Awkward Black Girl which is easy to raise. Yeah. Getting

Rosey:

before became well became bed secure. Yeah. Anyway, very exciting. I will watch them and look at we double check. They're all on YouTube. So if you want to watch any of them. In the meantime, you can find us on Twitter, at the rift pod Instagram at really important fictional things on medium or you can email us at the rift pod@gmail.com That's it. See you next time. Bye.