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Before We Hit Record With Jason Brown, Creator of the Five Year Millionaire Movement
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I have a chat with Jason Brown, the mastermind behind Power Trades University and the Five-Year Millionaire Movement. Jason shares his incredible journey from investing with a student loan to becoming a successful stock market coach and trader.
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Speaker 1All right , welcome back to the Before we Hit Record segment , and I have a special guest . You might not know him . His name is Jason Brown , he's the creator of Power Trades University and he's the founder of the Five-Year Millionaire Movement , and you'll get to hear from him what that's about in a moment , because he'll tell you . But you need to know like this is one of the guys who was very influential in my decision back in 2018 to quit my job that was full-time , when I was teaching as an international teacher in China and pursue my first online business teaching people who live in China how to learn Mandarin Chinese , and I reached out to his executive assistant and he agreed to be here , and so , first of all , I just want to say thank you , jason , for being here and thank you for helping getting me started .
Speaker 1There was a few podcast episodes that I listened to , and yours was one of them , when you were a guest on the podcast , when it was Rick's podcast and it's not just me when I say I listened to . Back then it was . I don't know if you've done this , but it was . I listened to , got excited , told my wife she had to listen to this because if she wasn't on board , I wasn't going to jump ship , so to speak , from the day job . So thanks for being here thanks for having me , man .
Speaker 2I mean that's super cool . Like you said before , we hit record like I didn't know that . So that's like a full circle moment for me , because the first person that really inspired me to be online , like we became really good friends and we hang out and stuff now and it's so funny . So like I remember going up to him like man first time . You know , you changed my life . That really changed how I look at business and made me go for it . So to be on the receiving end of that it's like wow . Like yeah , I have the impact that someone had on me when I was just listening to podcasts as well . You know , not a guest didn't have my own . So that's just super cool . The power of words , the power of sharing this information , the power of being willing to , you know , just get on camera and share and realize like it's not about you , it's about who you can potentially help .
Speaker 1So thanks for sharing it . Yeah , for sure , so . So how would you introduce yourself to the listener who doesn't know much about power trades university ? Because you in power trades university , you , you teach people how to make . I would just say in plain terms make a fortune with options . So how would you introduce yourself ?
Speaker 2Gosh , I would probably introduce myself . I typically say I'm a stock market coach and option trader . That's how I see myself . I'm a stock market coach . I coach people and help them get started in the stock market , help them get past their hurdles , help them get past their losing streak or their gambling addiction that they have with the stock market . And then you know I'm not just a coach . I actually trade my own real money . So I'm an option trader , primarily trade , I would probably say , 90% options , 10% stocks , but I primarily just trade options . So that's why it's stock market coach and option trader . That's how I would introduce myself .
Speaker 1Okay , no , I like it . I want to come back to what you had said , like when you are doing something you're passionate about and you realize that you're making a true impact on other people's life , because I remember , as you were saying , that I thought of my first time when that happened to me while I was in China . But before we get there and go there , I want to talk a little bit more about you specifically . In your bio , it said that you started trading with a $10,000 student loan , and so what I read is that that's how it went down .
Speaker 2Yeah , I mean , there's a story before that story .
Speaker 1but yes , so we got to hear the story before that because I read that and I'm like would you do that again ? Was this just like luck , dumb luck ? Would you tell people to do that , like without mentorship ? Now I'm very curious and that's the cliffhanger . So all the admin , housekeeping stuff .
Speaker 1If you're listening to this episode , you the listener for the first time . There is a link in the show notes below . There's actually three links . One link is to a podcast episode . If you're like , where the heck did Rick go and who are you ? Well , he is talking about what he's doing . It's a really cool AI project .
Speaker 1Rick has always served very well the online course creator membership and coach and he's still doing that just via AI and helping you figure out how to use AI . In interviews me and you get to hear more about my story and how I came to be the host of the Art of Online Business which , by the way , still will give you tips and tricks and strategies and behind the scenes business peaks scale up your online course creator business from low six figures to high six figures . The last link is to the next episode with Jason . We're recording it now and it's going to be two segments and , as you've come to expect , you're really getting to know him before you listen to the next episode where he'll be sharing about his membership .
Speaker 1I have not yet had somebody on the podcast who has a successful membership and had had one for quite a long time . So if you're interested in the difference between the strategies that it takes to build a membership and some of the scrappy techniques that we all kind of have to go through in the very , very beginning you know , before we make it and arrive versus the strategies to maintain a successful membership , you're going to want to come back . Click in the show notes below , head over to YouTube , subscribe , watch that episode with him and it'd be a good time . So , jason , now that you've had a chance to think about the response to that , the story behind the story of how you took $10,000 in loads and went for it and was it just blind faith Would you tell your past self to do it again ? Would you tell others to go that route Like I want to hear it all .
Speaker 2Yeah , great question . I actually don't need much time to think about it because it's my real life and how it happened . And so the story behind the story is we grew up pretty poor , uh , in Detroit , and we always had love , all that good stuff , but we didn't really have any money . So I was always trying to figure out how I could make money , and as early as I could work , I worked . So I think I started working at 14 , 15 , like as soon as you could work . I was working because we , you know , needed to earn money , and so I spent most of my life at that point , from 14 to like age 20 , 21 , just working in retail . So working at McDonald's . I worked at Mervin's of California , worked at Best Buy , worked for Sprint PCS yeah , most people don't even remember Mervyn's of California . I do , but I worked at Sprint PCS selling cell phones , and so when I was like 18 , to back it down , I took my graduation money from high school , took $2,000 .
Speaker 2I would hear stuff like you know , if you want to be rich , you got to invest in the stock market . And so you hear stories like had you invested in apple or this and waited 10 years , 20 years , 30 years you'd been rich , or microsoft . So I was right around the tech boom stuff or a little after that , but so it was . I was just like why don't everybody just put two grand away and come back in 30 , 40 years and be rich like ? I thought it was just that simple Just put two grand away , come back 30 , 40 years , we're rich . So I did that . 18 , took $2,000 of my graduation money , put it in the . I went to a well-known bank . Lady was like why do you want to invest ? I'm like to be rich . Why else do people invest ? Thought that was a silly question . And so she says so you want aggressive funds . I'm like , yeah , I . I come back two years later . I'm like , all right , how's my investments doing ?
Speaker 2My investments was down to 700 bucks . I'm like y'all lost $1,300 of my money . And so I'm like pissed off because I'm like where am I going to get 1,300 ? Like that was all of my graduation money . I'm not about to graduate high school again , so where am I going to get two grand from ? Then I was like I thought the professionals don't lose money . And that was a very important turning point for me , cause you're you're programmed to be like . These people went to school for it . They have a series six and 63 license . And that was the first time I realized like they lose money too , like they just lost $1,300 of mine . So I literally told the lady I was like , hey , give me , how do I withdraw my 700 bucks ? I'll do this myself . So I withdrew the 700 bucks , spent 200 on some gym shoes . I think I bought some Jordans .
Speaker 1So I have $500 left .
Speaker 2What'd you say ? You still got those Jordans . You know , I ended up giving them to my cousins because it's funny like I don't really wear that many gym shoes and I'm more of a casual shoe guy now , and so I was like my little cousins was all google over my jordan so I gave them to them . Now jordan , they're like they're retro jordans now I probably should have kept them , could have sold , right .
Speaker 1I was gonna say that that would be , that would be the way to get rich . Just Just keep a couple .
Speaker 2I mean I had the black and white patent leather ones . I had the red and black ones , like I had the classics too . But my little cousins enjoyed , so I bought some shoes . I have 500 bucks left . I'm working for Sprint PCS making eight dollars an hour . So on the Saturday , on a Saturday , eight , eight hour shift , 64 bucks . You take taxes out , I make $50 take home . So I'm at this point . I've been working retail all my life . I'm like if I could just make $50 , I won't have to work Saturdays . I'm missing all the barbecues , all my friends texting me like are we out ?
Speaker 2here . I'm like I'm at work . So our stock at Sprint was $5 a share and I have 500 bucks left . So I'm like I can get a hundred shares and all I needed to move is 50 cents . It moves 50 cents . I make 50 bucks . If I can do that four times a month , I don't have to work Saturdays . So I bought the stock at $5 . It failed a four .
Speaker 2I'm like , oh man , this doesn't work . Stock goes back up to five and I'm like , okay , I just need to go to five . 50 turns around again and goes down to four . I'm like the stock market rig . They know I needed to go to five , 50 and won't let it go . So I just was pissed , I was frustrated , I was irritated . Then the stock went back up to five and I was like I've seen this before and so I'm like I'm going to get out at five and break even and then I'm going to get back in once it goes to four .
Speaker 2So I got out of five , broke even and went down to four . I got in at four and went back up to five . I got out , made my first $100 . I didn't know that that pattern was called a channel in stock and so I was like what other patterns don't I know that exist ? So I got really good .
Speaker 2I started studying , putting in hours learning these patterns . I got really good at growing my 500 bucks . So I was like , wow , if I had more money I could , you know , I could do the same thing , just get a bigger return . I'm like if I had five grand , I would have made this much If I had 10 grand . I'm like if I had five grand , I would have made this much If I had 10 grand . I'm like I would have been rich . And so I was like , where am I going to get $10,000 from ?
Speaker 2So I had a scholarship to the Mike Ehrlich School of Business , wayne State University here in Detroit , michigan , and my friends was getting like their student loan checks and refunds . So I went to the you know , financial aid advisor . I'm like , how does this work ? Because I'm like how does this work Because I got a scholarship , but I know we poor enough . You know we call it financial aid . And so she was like , basically , we'll apply your student , you're not so long , we'll apply your scholarship and then , once it covers tuition , this , that and the third , it's like it doesn't cover room and board . You have a books and tuition scholarship . She was like but if you want to live on campus for living expenses like that , then you would get a refund check from student loans to use for living expenses . So I'm like I live at home .
Speaker 2So , I'm like bingo , I'm going to get the student loan $10,000 refund , I'm going to put it in the stock market . And that's how I end up taking a $10,000 student loan and putting it in the stock market . I was already going my account with 500 , proving off the model , and I was like just how do I do it with more money ? And I think this is an important point to discuss , because you said like would I do it again and would I recommend it for anybody else ? Would I recommend it for anybody else ? It just depends . Here's my thought process that I think everybody needs to go through , and that's what we're not really taught , which is how to evaluate risk versus reward . To go through and that's what we're not really taught , which is how to evaluate risk versus
Borrowing Money for Stock Trading
Speaker 2reward .
Speaker 2I looked at it and said , okay , I'll borrow this $10,000 . If I lose it , I'm just like everybody else . Number one I got four years before it even starts to kick in with interest , because interest doesn't kick in until we graduate . Number two payments don't kick in until we graduate . So I'm like I got four years to figure out how to pay this money back , four years before the interest starts and even if the interest kicks in . It was low interest . I think it was like 2% . At that time it was super low . I don't know what it is now . So I said I'll be like everybody else , I'll just pay it back over time , right .
Speaker 2And then I asked myself would I ever make $10,000 in my lifetime ? Sure , and be able to pay that back ? So that was the risk to me , which wasn't that much risk , like I got four years to pay it back . It's low interest . And will I ever make $10,000 ? Of course , on the other side , I said , if just $10,000 works , the way that I'm already flipping my $500 account , I'm like I'm rich and I can live like nobody else , like nobody else . And that's what happened at 21 . I grew that $10,000 to like a hundred and I think it was $13,000 , as a 21 year old college student Whoa , what did that feel like ?
Speaker 2I felt invincible . I felt , why am I in school ? I just made more money without a degree . I made more money not working . So in my mind I'm like I'm finna , drop out , I'm finna , become a trader full of time . So I mean plus you , young too , making that kind of money . So I thought I was on top of the world .
Speaker 1You couldn't tell me that A hundred grand .
Speaker 2Back . What year is this ? This was like 2001, . 2000 , 2001 .
Speaker 1Okay , we're about from the same era , so all right Dang . So then , what kept you in school ?
Speaker 2I didn't , I dropped out , you did drop out . Yeah .
Speaker 1Oh yeah . I was like why am I ?
Speaker 2here . I legit dropped out of school , became a full-time trader for the next three years , trading in the stock market . And again I was just like , why am I in school Like I was going to be an engineer ? I'm like , why would I want to be an engineer , 40 plus hours a week , maybe make 50 , 60 , 75,000 . I'm like I'm making a hundred grand on my own terms , not working . And it was more prestigious then to be like , yeah , I'm a stock trader , you know . Okay , so it was . It was life-changing , it was life-changing money . So I dropped out to pursue it .
Speaker 2Now everything just wasn't rocket ship to the moon , but that was my , you know . That's how I came to borrow that ten thousand dollars . And so when you think about what , I recommend that to other people . You know I used to read . Rich dad , poor dad . I used to read . Rich Dad , poor Dad . I used to read I don't read it every year , once you read it you kind of understand it , but I would listen to the audio books over and over again .
Speaker 2He really talks about like money is not what you see with your eyes , and the moment you stop working for money , you'll see opportunity all around you . For me it was like I had to think of a way to come up with $10,000 where most people would just be like I can't do it , I'll never get that kind of money . I guess this won't work . I had to close my eyes and stop looking at just what's in front of me and think outside the box . And outside the box for me was the form of a student loan . And so sometimes you got to do whatever you got to do to get the money . Because when you think about investing , if you were to open a McDonald's today , what would you do ? Would you come up with I think it's like $2 or $3 million to open a McDonald's or would you go get a loan for it ? Right , if you were to open a car wash , would you just come up with $300,000 for a car wash or would you go get a loan ?
Speaker 2And so we get loans for a lot of stuff in our life . You get a loan for a car , depreciating asset . Now it has some value if it helps you get to work and get to that job that helps you make whatever you make . But the point is the car itself depreciating asset . You buy a house , got to pay taxes on it every year , upkeep . It doesn't really put money in your pocket . You hope the value goes .
Speaker 2You know , the point is we borrow money for a lot of things in life , but when we say we're going to borrow money to invest in the stock market , people are just like oh , whoa , wow , isn't that risky ? And I'm thinking define risks . I mean , if I got $10,000 , I can put it with Apple , I can put it with Amazon . How is that different than borrowing money to open a McDonald's or opening the car wash ? I'm putting it with some of the biggest companies in the world , the smartest brains , the biggest employees , the best technology . What's risky is putting $10,000 with your uncle who cook macaroni and cheese and want to go open a restaurant , but he don't know nothing about running a business and food costs and signing the lease agreement for a restaurant . That's risky , but that's what people go do , put money with a homeboy or a homegirl to start a business .
Speaker 2But if you tell them I borrowed money to start investing in some of the best companies , it's funny how our mind works . Like aren't , isn't that risky . It's like , yeah , you gotta , you gotta learn how to evaluate what real risk is well said but how was college you having these kind of ideas though ?
Speaker 1was it a book that you were reading ? You said rich dad , poor dad . Was that the first time you read it and that sparked the idea ? Was there somebody in your life who gave you the idea ?
Speaker 1I'm asking because I was in a very similar situation but completely missed the opportunity , because I started off like my working career in tech with the at Intel actually 1998 , 1999 , intel , so like before , I guess , not before the boom , but right at the beginning , right before well , not the beginning of Intel , but right before the dot-com crash . But they offered tons of stock and I never took it because I was like , what is the stock market ? Just go ahead and give me all my money in cash so I can go to the bank . You know they're like , yeah , we can give you these . So I missed that boat because intel went on the split and split , and split and split , and then also , like they just paid me a good amount of money , like way more than my friends were making at the time , and I think I just wasted it on a nice gaming computer which what was I even doing ?
Speaker 2So I didn't have a gaming computer with an Intel processor .
Speaker 1Pentium three and I had one of the best Pentium threes when I moved into my college campus in fall of 1999 . So I'm , like I know for a fact for me , like I didn't have anyone in my family who knew a thing about money . I love you mom , I love you dad . They're not listening to this podcast , but they'll openly say like they didn't pass on , they didn't have financial education to give to me and I wasn't reading any kind of books . So I made that mistake , blew the money , never did anything with that , yet you didn't . So what do you feel like was the determining factor that kind of pushed you in the right direction ?
Speaker 2several things . Just growing up poor , I just was always interested in money , like why don't we have any money ? I remember we slept in sleeping bags when we were growing up . We didn't have like a bed . We thought beds was for grown-ups . I remember going to my best friend house and I was like , whoa , you have a bed , he's house . And I was like whoa , you have a bed . He's like yeah , I was like we don't have a bed , I'm sleeping in a sleeping bag , right . And so at a young age I was just always aware of these differences .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And so I was just curious about money . Number one . Number two I started getting into network marketing as early as I could have you ever been in any network marketing company .
Speaker 1Multi-level marketing company For sure .
Speaker 2The biggest thing they said yeah , they have you reading books . They have you learning about residual income , passive income , time leverage , people leverage . Those were the first times I was ever introduced to these kind of wealth concepts . They would recommend books like oh , we're all reading Rich Dad , poor Dad , we're all reading Think and Grow Rich this month . So like it was always books that they were kind of having us read as network marketers that really helped our mindset . Okay , and so you know , those books started exposing me to thinking about . You know risk .
Speaker 2But specifically Rich Dad , poor Dad , was the one that you know . He talked about the kids and how they wanted to work that job . But they decided not to pay him . But because they didn't pay him , they thought of other ways to make money . So it kind of was all about thinking outside the box .
Speaker 2Like if somebody takes your paycheck from you , you'd be surprised how creative you get . You know you'd be like I don't know what I'm gonna do to make money . Let them take your paycheck from me . All of a sudden you're like , yeah , why don't I get sponsors for the podcast ? And then why don't I do this ? I'll be an affiliate . Like all of a sudden , all these ideas that have always been there , kind of come flooding to you . So that was me . It was like the money was already there . It was up to me to open my eyes and see how I could use it . And then also , to some degree , you know , you ever heard that saying . I think it was Lincoln that said , if I had to cut down a tree , if I had five hours to cut down a tree , I'd spend four hours sharpening my axe . Okay , all right .
Speaker 2And so yeah , he's saying basically like people just come chopping the tree down with a dull axe , but I'd be sharpening my axe getting prepared for the opportunity right .
Speaker 2So when I strike a blow , it counts I mean for me I was trading at five hundred dollars and doing that for so long like six months to a year to where I was sharpening my axe with the 500 . So so by the time I got to 10,000 , I wasn't like , how does this work ? And what if I lose it ? And I think that's what happens when a lot of people come to the stock market . We tell people like they say , how much money do I need ? I say none , because it don't cost you no money to practice . But people be like , well , I want to practice , it don't feel like it's real . I want to practice . That don't feel like it's real . I want to do it when I get some real money . And I'm saying , okay , when you get some real money and you blow it all , you go , wish you had a practice .
Speaker 2There's no different than the lottery winner who comes into an inheritance or a lottery win and it's like they have never been prepared for this moment to manage money . And then all of a sudden , the athlete gets a million dollar contract , a singer , rapper gets millions of dollars , or you hit the lottery . You almost immediately go broke because you still got those broke habits . You haven't been sharpening your ax all these years . So for me I was . I was been getting prepared for that 10,000 . I didn't know it , but I was preparing the whole time . I was just investing $500 and trying to figure out how this thing worked , so it was no big deal . When the opportunity finally came , because my ax was sharp at that point Makes sense .
Speaker 1So I also did yeah , back in 2008, .
Building Success Through Network Marketing
Speaker 1I was doing Amway , a multi-level marketing company selling products .
Speaker 2I remember Amway . They started here in Michigan , Grand Rapids .
Speaker 1They started in Michigan , right , yeah , the bosses , but I will never forget because I was doing a lot of reading and then once my so very , I don't , yeah , actually . So once my wife and I got married , we actually went to China , believe it or not , to build an Amway business , because at the time China was the biggest market for that company . And I was already in China during college and then came back when I graduated and then when I met my wife , after we dated for a couple of years , I convinced her , I tricked her to go . You only have to trick somebody once and it worked . She married me and I took her to China , much to , yeah , her dad is from Michigan . Actually , I think they're right up the road from you , romeo , michigan , oh , romeo , yeah , that's not far from here , Right , and so , like they were not happy being from Michigan tooling industry , right , china's stealing our jobs , but at any rate , we're in China .
Speaker 1And why did I bring this up ? Because , fast forward 10-ish years in China , we were at the school that we ended up teaching in as international teachers was a Christian school in China and they had like a network of schools and they were really big into taking . So , like every school is like for profit generally and they were really big into taking so like every school is like for profit generally and they were really big into like taking some of the profits and using that to help leaders , like Christian leaders in China , just because , for lack of access to resources , they didn't necessarily know how to run a business and so like they could take this passion that they had like to know Jesus , but they didn't necessarily know how to like balance their books and keep a church open , so to speak . And so I got to have a dinner with one of the guys who was on the leadership board and this is like one really cool to be in the same room as these guys because they're doing this . Really cool to be in the same room as these guys because they're doing this , but they're they're doing it on like a stipend , like a missionary stipend , I think 40 something thousand dollars a year plus , like their housing is paid for . And these are guys that are overseeing like an organization that's in china , that's in like the uae too , like a multinational organization like easily could go somewhere else and make $300,000 , $400,000 and have everything else taken care of in their package , in their compensation package .
Speaker 1So I'm sitting at this gentleman's dinner table and looking at his book and asking questions about the books on the shelf . And then I remember when he came to our house and he was talking with my wife and I , he looks at our bookshelf and he sees a bunch of marriage books and his first question was was just like , in a humorous way , was oh , like , how many problems have you guys had , you know ? And I'm looking at the shelf and I'm like you know actually very , very few . But it was because I was in Amway and reading all these books and I didn't know it at the time , but I was reading tons of books about marriage because , like the whole thing at that time was you have to read and change the person who you are , to attract the kind of person that you would like to have in your business , attract the kind of person that you would like to have in your business . And so we were consuming all these books about marriage .
Speaker 1But in like the first six months , 10 months of our marriage , like we didn't have kids , we were in a new place . You know , it's like we were just reading all these books and it really helped us . I still am reaping the benefits of that because it's just , it became who we were as a couple and so many things we read about and so many of these you know , tough conversations that can come up inside of a marriage , like we had those early , early on . And so , like I always thank the people , my sponsors , who got me into the Amway business or presented me with the opportunity and I chose to do that because the books really did have a huge impact on my life .
Speaker 2Yeah , I mean it's network marketing by far has been like the best personal development program to really you know for anyone who can't go to , like a leadership school or something like that .
Speaker 2You know , I mean , you just pay a 99 bucks or four 99 and join some program and network marketing and you really learn sales marketing , how to talk to people . You learn a lot about yourself , a lot of personal development . I sometimes like going to a good network marketing presentation just to hear what are the latest quotes and sayings . You know or you know because they always quote in the book or something special or , yeah , saying something that makes you think you know yeah , exactly you know they always had those quick one-liners like you can't be broken .
Speaker 1Skeptical at the same time you're taking me back to the whiteboard at somebody's house .
Speaker 2Yeah right , Sitting in my living room .
Speaker 1I look fondly on those times . Those were good times . So I think we're going to jump from this episode into the next one , where I start asking you more questions about what went into building up your membership Because to me it's quite successful and I've seen a good as a Facebook ads manager , especially now , like I've seen a good number of online courses and their memberships and you're putting out some good numbers and to let the listener know what success and what it took to get there and how that differs from , like what it takes to maintain that's going to be a good episode . So you ready ? Oh yeah , sounds good to me . So the listener , you're listening .
Speaker 1You can head down to the link in the show notes below and that episode should already be linked up as you hear this . And if you are listening in the two days before the episode comes out , just hang tight and that episode will be live in two days , but the link it does work . In the meantime , you can go and subscribe to the YouTube channel .
Interview With Jason Before Recording
Speaker 1And , jason , thank you for being on this segment of Before we Hit Record .
Speaker 2I feel like Drake , we're going back to back .
Speaker 1Thanks for having me . I got another story for that in the next episode . We'll talk soon . Until the next time you hear from me or see me , be blessed and take care . Bye .
