The Chasing Daylight Podcast
280: Rory's US Open Drama, Bryson's Comeback, and Golfing at Bali Hai
Ever wondered if an all-day golf pass for unlimited play is worth it? We muse over its appeal and practicality, sharing our thoughts on Bali Hai’s possibilities of hosting night golf and the logistics of playing amidst airport operations. Plus, we break down the thrilling moments from the US Open tournament, analyzing Rory's performance and Bryson DeChambeau's remarkable back nine, while tackling the general criticism Rory faces despite his undeniable talent.
Bryson DeChambeau's rise to stardom, Rory McIlroy's journey, and the grueling conditions at Pinehurst are at the forefront of our tournament recap. From Bryson's fan engagement to the impact of his move to LIV Golf, we explore the broader implications for both players in the golfing world. Tune in for a spirited discussion on the emotional toll of high-stakes competition, the intricacies of the U.S. Open course setups, and why we relish watching top golfers battle against tough conditions.
We hope you enjoy this week's episode, and if you do, please consider leaving us a review on either Spotify or iTunes. Thank You!
Ever wondered if an all-day golf pass for unlimited play is worth it? We muse over its appeal and practicality, sharing our thoughts on Bali Hai’s possibilities of hosting night golf and the logistics of playing amidst airport operations. Plus, we break down the thrilling moments from the US Open tournament, analyzing Rory's performance and Bryson DeChambeau's remarkable back nine, while tackling the general criticism Rory faces despite his undeniable talent.
Bryson DeChambeau's rise to stardom, Rory McIlroy's journey, and the grueling conditions at Pinehurst are at the forefront of our tournament recap. From Bryson's fan engagement to the impact of his move to LIV Golf, we explore the broader implications for both players in the golfing world. Tune in for a spirited discussion on the emotional toll of high-stakes competition, the intricacies of the U.S. Open course setups, and why we relish watching top golfers battle against tough conditions.
We hope you enjoy this week's episode, and if you do, please consider leaving us a review on either Spotify or iTunes. Thank You!
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Speaker 2:What is up every now? What can you hear me, dan? Yeah, okay, oh, you know what Cause I turned the volume down. Ah, there, all right, what is up? The intro is a little loud in my ear so I gotta turn it down. I forgot I turned it down. Like holy crap. Oh, what is up everybody? Welcome to another episode of the chasing daylight podcast. Uh, there's just two of us here right now. Joe is somewhere lost in the high desert. He may make it back in time, I don't know. Uh, jeremy is, uh, just got home. He'll be on here shortly. Um, thanks everybody for tuning in, so you're stuck with dan and I.
Speaker 2:So you know sorry guys you may find out that you enjoy this better. You never know. Uh, as all, as always, let's uh. First thank scott russo from unwritten law for allowing us to use that intro. Um, oh, jo Joe's watching, so he's. Yeah, he's still in the car. Wait, trey's joined also. How are they doing that? That's?
Speaker 5:And driving. Yes, that's not safe. Come on.
Speaker 2:Come on, we need you here, not safe at all. And also the golf stop. Golf stop, the premier indoor track man lounge in Wes Henderson. Please check them out, go in, hit some balls, because it's freaking hot outside right now. Uh, today was refreshing. It was only 69 or 71, something like that. In my backyard this morning as I was doing trash duties, uh, little cold, cold front came through, so that was incredibly pleasant today. I wish I was building Steven Jackson's clubs today, not when it was 110 over the weekend. So thank you to those two, scott Russo and the golf stop, for their continued support for the show. We really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2:There is a poll question up right now on YouTube. Here is the question Was Rory wrong for not sticking around and congratulating Bryson on his win? A lot of heat he took for this, quite a bit of heat actually. I was a little surprised that he took so much heat from it. So we'll be talking about that, but that if you're interested in the poll it's on youtube please join. You can do that.
Speaker 2:I'll uh throw these up every now and then to uh, you know, hey, go vote in the poll. Um, to remind everybody if you have not. Uh, it's pretty basic this week. So, no, no craziness. Um, we what we're gonna get to some, uh, local golf before. Oh, roars is in the chat, I didn't see that. Uh, I didn't did. Did the panthers come back and win roars? I, I haven't looked. I know they weren't doing well, so, um. So we got some some local stuff that we're going to talk about because, uh, dan, jeremy, joe and myself were out at Valley High on Friday playing in the hey, let's tee off at 11.30. And it was late. No, it was. What time, was it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like 11.10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it was. Wow, it was hot. It was hot. Let's see, we got some chats coming in here. What was hot? Let's see, we got some chats coming in here. What do we got Trey, yes and no Bad sportsmanship, but shows grit and being pissed off about the result of not winning. Okay, rob Chapman, oilers won 5-3 on game six. Uh-oh, there you go. I don't know if you want to play game six in edmonton edmonton's finding the their offense.
Speaker 1:Now, man, it's what?
Speaker 2:yeah, last couple games, I had the panthers in the under and lost both sides, so that was not good. Um, all right. So bally, high dan, uh, did an awesome thing. He won a free round on social media, on Instagram, and he said he talked to them and said, hey, like can we bring the whole crew out? They said, yeah, let's do it. So we went out there. I I don't hate Bally, I know, joe, it's not Joe's favorite course in town. I don't think it's any of our favorite course in town. It has some things that you know we don't like about it. Mainly it's because they like to charge 300 to play it and it's not a 300 golf course but what it?
Speaker 2:is. It's a tourist. I don't want to call it a trap, because it's. It's a. It's cheaper than when. It's cheaper than Shadow Creek, so it's a place where people can get the Vegas experience. It's right there, there's Jeremy.
Speaker 1:Every golf course is cheaper than Shadow Creek.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is true. That is true. We just started talking about Valley High what up?
Speaker 3:Jimmy Gotcha.
Speaker 2:What's up, and I was saying how it's not everybody's favorite course but it's kind of a tourist trap, but they do it really well. Um, for the tourists, the pro shop is fantastic. Um, the the food is excellent and and the course is fun. I mean, you do you have to deal with airplanes and you have to deal with, you know, some of the uh, the vagrants that like to uh walk around the golf course, that come through the tunnel, tunnel people, tunnel people, as they're called Occasionally, which was really. Did you guys see all the golf bags in the tunnel?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:The hole closest to the 15? Yeah, there was like four golf bags they looked like rental bags just in the corner of the tunnel.
Speaker 3:Maybe, we got some night golfers yeah some tunnel golf
Speaker 2:some tunnel golf oh okay, that's what kat said to trey. Funny, I think, rory, it doesn't sit well with the public eye to do what he did. Uh, if valley high was 80 for locals it'd be worth it. That's very true. It would be worth it for a buck. I agree with that, um, especially compared to how bryson handled it to pga just a few weeks earlier. Okay, and bryson turns babyface hero and rory gets heel villain, just as a golf world expected oh I guess you're talking about rory taking off right yes
Speaker 1:that's the thing with rory too. There's like no in between with that dude. You either either are a fan of his or you really don't like him. There's like. There's like no in between, and for the people that don't like him, it's just time to pour it on right now it was fuel for the fire.
Speaker 2:See, see, he's a dick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like he's been having to deal with not having won a major for a decade. Now, right, he hasn't won a major in like 10 years. Yeah, shit, like that. Yeah, you know. So for him to get so close and to slip through his fingers again, you know he's like fuck, now I gotta listen to this for another decade. You know, like I get why he left. I do get it, you know, and like I told you guys, I probably would have left too. Like you can call it bad sports, you can call it whatever you want, but until you're in that moment and you go through four exhausting rounds of US Open and only to lose it like that, you're not going to be super cheery and be like, yeah, awesome bro, congratulations. Super cheery and be like, yeah, awesome bro, congratulations, even though it might be, you know, the the pg thing to do. Me personally, I probably wouldn't do that. If that's the case, why did the third place guy stick around? Why the sixth place guy?
Speaker 1:yeah yeah you can make a case for everybody who didn't win, to stick around and congratulate him, tiger but yeah, I agree with that for sure you didn't see tiger hanging around and congratulating the winners.
Speaker 3:He they weren't in the same group. I'm sure. He sent him a text. They all have each other's numbers, I'm sure he congratulated him yeah, but I mean it's like everyone's bryson. He's the guy that hangs around jt. He hangs around ricky's, the guy who's notorious for hanging around Rory's. Not that guy.
Speaker 2:I just don't get why he's not at all the critic?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 1:It's easy to be critical of Rory.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 1:It is definitely, it definitely is, but that was an awesome open and that was one of the most exciting finishes I can remember in a while. I mean, I know there's been some close finishes, but that one stands, that one stands out. That was really good, yeah. And and to add some downs, bryson had that back nine unbelievable short side himself like three or four times and just plinking it right up there making that. But it's like wow, I mean that's what you got to do to win us open. You got to make those, you got to make those up and downs.
Speaker 2:You know what, to add a little more fuel to Rory's. Not a dick, he was leading the tournament by two strokes on the back nine and you know, 489 for 489 from three feet on the season and you miss that first one and then Bryson misses his. So it's like okay, wash. But I mean Brandl said it as soon as the ball finished where it did. He's like you don't want to be there, that is not where you want to be. So you know, having the lead squandering it, then leaving yourself in a bad spot to close it out, you know, yeah, I'm sure he was fucking fuming.
Speaker 2:So yeah, hey and yeah bryson had that thing.
Speaker 3:Like what was he up by three going into the final round and he lost that lead completely. Yeah, so I don't know, I I don't. I'm not a critical of anyone. I I'm happy bryson won. I just hate the hit that that stuff that rory gets for that.
Speaker 4:It's just yeah, because at the end of the day he's a human.
Speaker 3:He he was. You know it's easy to criticize people for sure I get that but I don't think he deserves the hate that he gets all around. Yeah, I agree, all right.
Speaker 2:So, for the people that are just hopping on, we got the poll question. Please answer that if you wish to. You know was Rory wrong for sticking around, so we got some more US Open talk coming in later. So this is our first time playing together. I looked, we thought it was black desert, but actually we played boulder creek earlier this year, um, where we all, we all got together. So it's been a while, um, as as frequent as all of us play. It's crazy we don't play more. But you know it's hard getting four people on the same page all the time. So it was awesome to play with you guys. Um, valley high was in it's in good shape. It for it being, you know, 110 degrees right now. I thought the greens were fantastic. Yeah, you know, they were receptive. They, they, you know, repaired well, because we were fixing our pitch marks. Um, that's right. Uh, I, you know we didn't have any pace issues. The group, let us go with a couple, three, four holes left. Let us go ahead of them.
Speaker 5:We were riding them.
Speaker 2:We were kind of riding them, but one guy was like happy to let us go and I think the other three guys he was playing with were pissed. Um, but you know, I was telling, I was telling Joe when I cause I got there and uh was was hanging out, didn't go to the range. I was waiting for you guys to get there to go. You know, hit up the amazing range at valley high, um, and I was watching all the people come off the course and it was nothing but rental set after rental set after rental set after rental set after rental set. I mean, they get so many out-of-towners at that place. I totally understand why they don't have a great deal for locals. Why would we? We don't need to. Um, you know, maybe at two o'clock in august, um, you know, uh, it would be, it would be okay, they just don't need to. This is something that Joe and I have talked about before With the night golf, you know.
Speaker 3:You have epic to go there at night.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. But I think the reason why they don't is because they get so much play during the day at such a high rate. When you when is the course going to heal? You know you have, you have that much play and night play, that course is just going to get destroyed and it's, you know, not already a great conditioned golf course. So I mean that I think to have night play you're gonna have to not have some day play, and that is just too much money they're throwing away do you?
Speaker 3:I wonder if the airport's too close to like they can't put that many lights right by the end of the runway. Do you think that's a possible issue?
Speaker 1:possibility. I think that could be a possibility for sure well, yeah, maybe you never know dude it was good
Speaker 2:they had one of the maverick plane there, one of the Maverick helicopters was landing as I was driving to the course and it's like this helicopter is just hovering right off the like, it's like right next to you. So there's so much action going on right around there, they would charge the same as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they'd probably charge more to play at night they should do like if they were to do that, they should do like all day pass, you know, like a flat rate, be like 400 bucks, play all the golf you want one day or something like that. I don't know if it would be worth it or not still, but that'd be kind of cool to have that option. Is joe working late?
Speaker 2:I don't know, trey, where's joe you're chatting. Where's joe is he? Is he driving or are you driving? Uh, but cool for logos to play.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hope trey's not driving yeah, I hope trey's not driving.
Speaker 2:Uh, we like sweetens once a year worth every minute from ryan uh works at sweet and co. Yeah, I mean. Um, I mean Sweden Cove is nine holes and it's not getting near as much play as Valley High, because I mean that tee sheet was packed and it was blazing hot. So a little different world, a little different world. But night golf, I think out there, the only places that we say it would work would be there or Desert Pines, just because it's so uh tight back and forth. You know you can put one string of lights between two holes and light both. Trey's not driving, since he's driving to utah friday, oh yeah nice, all right uh, so I, I again, I.
Speaker 2:I'm on a heater right now. I played another good round of golf. I'm not going to lead it with breaking news like I did last week, but I had another putt on the 18th hole for a personal best and missed it.
Speaker 1:Lift it, lift it, just lift it A little bit more speed yeah you're still playing well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm really happy with how I'm playing right now. The the driver's working well, the irons are are dialed, the new wedge shafts uh, the legp wedge shafts are absolutely fantastic and I've been playing the Wilson staff ball, the new one, the 2024 version, and I gave one to Jeremy to play the. X model, the, the firmer one, the X model, and and Jeremy, give us a minute- I love it and staff model X.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like if, if there's anything in the bag that I do not even change or look at or try new things, it's the bag that I do not even change or look at or try new things, it's the ball. I've just played the Pro V1X for probably 10 years, um, but yeah, he gave me the Wilson and it was. I mean, I could tell immediately it was. It was harder, for sure. It took it took a little getting used to, but man, what a. It's a great ball. It's super durable. The spin is just right for me. I don't get a lot of spin, I'm already kind of a low spin player. Great ball, it's super durable. The spin is just right for me. I don't get a lot of spin, I'm already kind of a low spin player. I could spin that thing around the greens. It goes straighter, it goes further. I love it. I need to go buy me a couple boxes, but yeah, that's awesome I never, ever.
Speaker 2:I mean this is like breaking breaking news. Yeah for sure, jeremy, not playing a Titleist golf ball and enjoying not playing a Titleist golf ball. I'm kind of happy because I like the Odin golf ball. Nobody else picked up on it. I stopped playing it just because I was trying to get a little bit more performance. I've been playing the triad for a couple months now, been really happy with it and, thanks to kevin forness, he had some staff model balls. He's like you need to try these. So he gave me a sleeve of each. The x is, I mean it's it's 104 compression golf ball. It's just way too firm for me to do anything with it. Um, but jeremy said, yeah, I'll give it a shot and and had a hole out with it. Uh, shot, uh, even round. Um, we had hole outs going in all over the place. You know I almost hold in on the whole. Jeremy did dan hold in for eagle on the first hole um, yeah, that was sick yeah, so, uh, it was.
Speaker 2:It was fun out there, and Kat sent me a picture. They're watching. Thanks, kat, so are you going to keep playing it? Is that the plan?
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nice.
Speaker 3:Yep, I will. I got to go, like I said, I need to go buy a couple dozen, and so I've got them, but I think I still have the sleeve. You gave me the rest of the sleeve, so, but yeah, I'm excited to try it again tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3:See how it goes.
Speaker 2:We're going to be out at a cascada tomorrow with Rocky and Gino from the golf fathers. That's going to be a blast playing that, so all right. So that covers Bali high, jeremy. You were out at Boulder Creek with Trey you.
Speaker 3:Hi, jeremy, you were out at Boulder Creek with.
Speaker 2:Trey, you had a two-man event. How did that go?
Speaker 3:It was fun. It was a 27 hole so we played. The first nine on Desert Hawk was a shamble, and then a scramble on Coyote Run and an alternate on Eldorado, and it was fun. We definitely had a lot of missed opportunities. We missed a few short putts, so you just wonder why you would miss something like that in a scramble or so we, we shot. I think we ended up shooting 11 under on the first two and then two over on the alternate shot. But dude, we were like on eldorado alternate shots already tough and we were just like it was hot it was. We were just both of us had no energy and we made it through, but it was so much fun Probably could have definitely done better. We just it was just a lot of fun. I like that format. I love alternate shot. I think it puts a lot of pressure on you and it really trusts your friendship that you have with people. But yeah, I love it. It was such a blast. I'd love to play in it again next year.
Speaker 2:Nice. What? What was the winning? Winning score.
Speaker 3:I don't know. We took nine, we shot nine under and we took seventh. So I don't know. We both want to CTP, though I think I can't remember what Trey won, but I won a golf travel bag which will come in handy. But yeah, I can't even imagine what the score was. You know how they go. They're probably someone shot a 49 or something 89. Yeah, 89. It was fun though I enjoyed it. That's right. It was 27 holes, 80. 89, yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1:Was that 19 under yeah?
Speaker 3:something like that 36.
Speaker 1:Part 36 is right. Three courses, that's 108. So 89, yeah, that's 1900. Good lord.
Speaker 3:Which we definitely had. Probably 10 strokes we could have easily improved on just from putts, but it was fun. It sounds fun though, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. And then, uh, joe, uh, we'd ask him how, uh, his, his, uh, golf was today. But, trey, maybe you could fill us in, since you're sitting in the car with him right now. How, how was uh, what did he say? Uh, moval Marino Valley today. But, trey, maybe you could fill us in, since you're sitting in the car with him right now. How, how was uh, what did he say? Uh, moval merino valley. How was the golf there?
Speaker 3:you can leave his message. Was it victoria club? Is that the one? I think that's what I saw, yeah, yeah, it looked pretty fun looked really nice.
Speaker 2:so, and was that tracy mcgrady's bag that you shared a picture of? Is that the TMAC, or is that some other TMAC that I don't know? Aa Rick in the house on Instagram. Thanks, sir, for joining us. Vibes were excellent. Yeah, that's a Joe response, that's not a Trey response.
Speaker 1:That's the same response I got earlier in the text Course resolved vibes or pure vibes or something like that.
Speaker 2:Was it a good routing? Okay, all right. Uh, let's see what are we at. Where are we at? Where are we at 21 minutes? Okay, let's, let's do the uh, let's do our las vegas golf superstore ad and then we'll come back and start chatting there's something that binds us all the joy of connecting on and off the course.
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Speaker 2:I don't think get there is gonna like take off.
Speaker 3:They need something there get there don't work for me get down, get down here get to the chopper yes
Speaker 2:okay. So, as I was sharing with everybody, we have the poll question. This is over on YouTube. So if you're watching on, joe said he'll be here in like 15 minutes. Okay, if you're watching on Instagram, just get off Instagram and go over to youtube and answer our poll question and, uh, yeah, keep reminding everybody go vote in the poll. Uh, so I looked at is.
Speaker 2:We had a little bit of talk about bryson earlier, which I mean we can continue that here if you would like. Oh hey, what's up? People, he came over. So I, I, I looked at the, the open. There there was three, three big stories that I thought of. One is Bryson to Rory and three pinehurst in general, the, the, the course.
Speaker 2:We saw this type of you know, fast greens layout with LACC, but just wasn't the same. The greens were definitely not as challenging. It reminded me of how they burn out Chambers Bay, but the conditions just weren't great because they let it go too much. You know I love Oakmont and I think is my favorite US Open course. I do love pebble when they grow the rough incredibly long and make that course really tough and the guys have to play it for four days, unlike at the, the pebble beach pro-am. But oakmont, for me, is just hard-ass golf course old school, classic. Thick rough, makes you think around the course the whole entire time, challenging greens, and this was very different in the fact that the greens were such an incredible challenge for everybody.
Speaker 2:Holding fairways was a challenge. Hitting out of the native areas and the wire bushes, the wire replants, uh, so annoying um it. It was a challenge for everybody and it's not the type of golf these guys play a lot. You know they're playing premier golf courses in pristine conditions and this is it's kind of more of a hey, we're gonna let the course fuck with you a lot and let's see how well you do, which is a very unique challenge. And I think it's one of the reasons scotty scheffler did not play so great, because it really took away from him his. You know what he does and that's hit fairways, hit greens and make putts. Um, he, he wasn't hitting fairways, he was all over the place, he wasn't hitting greens. His short game is good but it's not that good and his putter I mean those greens just wreaked havoc on him and a lot of people, not just him. Um. So those are my three storylines that I think.
Speaker 1:Was there anything else that you guys thought may have, um, you know, jumped up in there, that that's worthy of a talk uh, one thing for me a little bit would be the um sunday battle between the amateurs with uh, oh, shipley, yeah, shipley and um and luke clanton way to clean in the same group together, kind of battling it out head-to-head.
Speaker 2:That was pretty cool to watch. Way to not show enough of that guys. Yeah, for real.
Speaker 1:They aired them like two or three shots, but I was still kind of following on the US Open app.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what would have happened if they would have tied? Who would have won the honors if they would have tied?
Speaker 1:You know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Good question, I'm not sure. Good question, I'm not sure, because the the other kid had the putt to tie it on on 18 and missed um wasn't the only one who missed a putt on 18. Um, it's true. So yeah, that was. That was another good story I love, I love the amateurs at at the open. That's one of the great things about it they get to challenge. There was only two or three made the cut. Was it just those two? It was small, it was small.
Speaker 1:But still for Shipley to be low-am there and he was low-am at the Masters, he had that crazy side camera.
Speaker 2:He's given himself quite a little resume yeah. Does he have another year of golf or is he turning pro after school?
Speaker 1:do you know?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure either yeah, I'm not really big on his uh he's ohio state guy, right, I know he wears the the jack nicholas apparel.
Speaker 3:He's big um yeah, he's gonna have a deal with golden bear or something yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:See it. See, if it that was his senior year, if it's his yeah I don't, I don't recall so all right.
Speaker 2:So my question to you guys bryson has found this new life in being the star um. I, I think when he was at um the arnold palmer and he, you know, tried to drive that the well, not try to drive it, he just hit that ridiculous drive on the whatever hole that is and, you know, raised his hands and was chasing after it. Yeah, that was like opening the door to his stardom. And, uh, not being on the pga tour I think has kind of helped him, because when he plays in these events and he does, well, it's, it's fresh in people's eyes, it's new, it's not. Oh well, bryson, thank you.
Speaker 2:Trey six hole. Uh, you know, bryson finished 23rd last week. Uh, you know, oh, bryson missed the cut here. You know he plays so many events and it's just like he's, he's living up to these expectations and performing well and just soaking it all up. I've never seen anybody take advantage of these situations like he is, because you don't see any of the other Liv guys doing this. You don't see any of them hyping themselves up. Well, they're not playing for shit, so it doesn't really matter. But how much do you think of this? Is genuine bryson or it's? I need to do this to help people forget that I left for live, or do you think that's even in his mind?
Speaker 3:I think it's probably in his mind, but I I feel like it's sort of the real Bryson. I mean, he does have the YouTube stuff and does all the stuff with the other good good and all those guys. But like the, I think he, I think he must have gone through some sort of transformation where he either realized maybe he wasn't popular with the people and maybe figured out why, and maybe the whole YouTube thing is part of that. It's just to to like refresh his image. But I don't think it's a fake thing, I think it's. I think it might be the real Bryson.
Speaker 3:He, he's always sort of been the villain before, but now he's sort of the hero and maybe he just it's just a change that he made and I think it's refreshing. Honestly, I think it's awesome. I liked him as a villain but I think it's cool that he's sort of a fan Like he just really he can relate with the fans and he put, you know, he just the interactions he has. I think that's important. I think it maybe makes it more human and I think dialing back the whole power thing that he was going through the last few years of gaining weight and not eating, you know, eating weird stuff, and it was just like all about speed and power. I think he'd probably just had a transformation of a person and his game and it all came together at the same time.
Speaker 2:Hi Joe.
Speaker 6:What's up A?
Speaker 2:little tired, buddy A little tired.
Speaker 6:We're at 430 this morning and yeah.
Speaker 2:Just drove out. So we're right now we're I don't know how much you were listening to as you were uh getting getting on, but uh, we're talking about bryson and his resurgence as a popular, uh fan favorite. Um, people chanting usa, usa, bryson. I mean he is doing all the right things, right? He's saying all the right things.
Speaker 6:He's doing all the right things right.
Speaker 2:He is for sure. He's saying all the right things, he's doing all the right things. He had a big comment where he was talking about his faith and religion. He is staying after and signing autographs. Cinco wants to go for a walk. He's hanging out in bunkers with Johnson Wagner afterwards he's going on Fallon and just people are touching the trophy. I mean he's, he's doing everything right and it just, you know, in the back of my head I want to believe that this is him being true, but it's also. Is it for views? Is it for clicks?
Speaker 6:is it for I mentioned this to trey um, because he is doing everything great right and maybe you know with what live provided him like the freedom to do more and um doesn't have to stress about that, yeah, I don't know like he's doing everything right. Yeah, I don't know Like he's doing everything right, is it true? I don't know, and maybe that's just him, like his personality.
Speaker 3:Maybe that's just his personality.
Speaker 6:Like he comes off like not truthful and I don't know, but he is doing it right. Um, and it's good to see Cause. I wasn't the huge crisis man, but he's turned me over a bit as of late.
Speaker 2:By doing and saying all the right things. It's hard to not be a fan or to like him. Aaron Pusey had a great post today where he was talking about some of the interactions that he had with him back in Texas, and it's like those stories aren't out there enough of of him being amazing with fan base being amazing with, just you know, average day, joe golfers, um, and you wonder how many of those stories aren't known? Um, right, and why? Why aren't they known you?
Speaker 3:know I I read an interesting article. I I can't even remember who said it, but it was like golf has always sort of been reluctant to like, accept new minds and different ways of thinking in golf and bryson's definitely like with his equipment and his you know, know, chase, you know what he's chasing, speed, and all that a few years ago. I think there's part of it that maybe he's not. He doesn't fit the conventional mold of a golfer, like a pro golfer. When he came you started doing all that. But I think after COVID with the explosion of golf, you have a bunch of new people that don't know the history of golf or don't know those traditions, and you have this person that relates to them, does YouTube, social media, you know, gets pumped up with the fans, talks to them, interacts with them. I think that's he's sort of the savior of golf for them, for that sort of group of people maybe.
Speaker 2:Yep, I see that 100 percent.
Speaker 2:It's. It's not a bad thing, um. You know, to rob rob made a point here. You know the rider cup and golf and olympic golf team needs bryson representing usa. He's a very big pro usa guy and and that would be awesome and cyrus in a or.
Speaker 2:Cyrus made a post earlier on instagram talking about how it's a disgrace that he's not representing you know, and I said to him he chose not to play and he goes what? What do you mean? He chose not to play. Yeah, as soon as he signed that live contract. You know, he chose not to play in the writer cup. He chose not to play in the olympics. Um, owgr points is how they decide it. Is that the greatest way to decide it? Probably not. Um, I think the, the country, should at least have a say in who they want representing um on their team. But it's, you know, that's, I think, in order for the golf to get back into the olympics, the, the olympic committee, said we're going to go by the world ranking points and that way there's no questions. You know there's no uh. You know there's no uh.
Speaker 2:This person getting in that shouldn't be in there, not deserving whatever. I don't know the exact reasons why, but that's why he's not there, that's why he's not going to be in the Ryder cup, because, well, I, he could be on the Ryder cup, he, I could see him being picked. Yeah, he can get a captain's pick, as long as Zach Johnson's not. That's a year away. It's a year away, of course it would be. Yeah, it would be totally more entertaining. You know, he's doing all the right things. I still can't believe he won the US Open and threw that ball to the crowd. That's I mean. Yeah, going in the pockets open and threw that ball to the crowd. That that's I mean. Yeah, going in the pocket no, I mean yeah, wild stuff.
Speaker 2:So all right. So the next. The next topic was was rory and uh. So uh, for those that are just tuning in, possibly uh, have a poll question on the youtube channel. Um, was rory wrong for not sticking around and congratulating Bryson? Let's see if I can see what the I can't see right now. Did we lose Joe already?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess so. So Rory's taking the heat for this. Dan, you've already said it. Okay, dan, you've said it. You think he's winning the open where it's at Royal Troon. Is that where it's at? Royal Troon where did where is the? Where did he win the open at? Trey will know where did he win the Open at Trey Trey's on? Trey will know. Oh, he's probably driving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Trey's more, Was it Port. Yeah, it was Royal Port Rush I think you want to be.
Speaker 2:Well, do you want me to send you the link? Are you home yet, Trey? We can get you on here. Joe's checked out, so there he is, so much to say.
Speaker 1:There's Royal Liverpool.
Speaker 2:Royal Liverpool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Greenlee, I'll send you the link too. You guys want to hop on. We got room for plenty of people here.
Speaker 4:If you guys want to get on and chat about this.
Speaker 2:You know, rory, there's a lot to talk about with him. There's still a lot to talk about with Bryson. We haven't even gotten to Pinehurst yet. We were waiting for Joe for that. So here you guys, tell me what your thoughts are on Rory. You know we kind of talked a little bit about him leaving and whatnot. But I'd me what your thoughts are on rory. Um, you know we kind of talked a little bit about him leaving and whatnot, but I'd love to hear what you guys think about how he played. I mean, he's got a bunch of second places now in majors. I think he's up to four, um, and and so let me hear it, let me hear what you got, and I'll send these guys links see if they want to come on. Don't everybody talk at once?
Speaker 3:He played. We sort of talked about it a little bit, but I don't think sticking around is a traditional thing for most players. I mean, if he was good buddies with Bryson, sure he'd be one of the guys waiting for him, but it's just not who he is. It's not who Tiger was, it's not who a lot of the guys that are like that are. They don't. I mean, of course he was like devastated and he choked or whatever you want to call it. I mean he whatever, and I don't think I think it's a non-topic. I think people make a huge deal out of nothing just because it's Rory and he sort of was the bad guy with Liv. He's been the guy that's maybe not the most friendly with fans overall through the years. I just think he's the villain and he's an easy target for people to criticize Everything he does dan which I also think like they can see the good side, like I see.
Speaker 3:They see all the good things he did. He played well. There's a lot of people that love rory and there's just a lot of people that hate him, just like everyone else yeah, um, I I agree 100 with, uh, what j said.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just, I don't know. He's just got a string of bad luck right now when it comes to the majors and you know, until he makes those short butts and wins a major, he's not going to get that monkey off his back. And you know, I 100% agree on just people just wanting to be nasty to him. You know, because that's what media and social social media does. You know, it gives people a platform to just dump and shit on people and for clicks and for likes and stuff, and I think a lot of it's about that. I will say this though some of these memes that they put out right away, that were pretty funny, oh my God, it was some good news. I will say that.
Speaker 3:They do it anytime, for sure, and it's pretty awesome in that aspect.
Speaker 1:But but you know there's always going to be, you're always going to have naysayers, no matter what you do, and unfortunately it's going to continue now, for the better part, you know, for more than a decade now.
Speaker 2:For Rory it's going to continue until he wins another major yeah, yeah, the last hand of the night and the dealer pulling King 6-5. Yeah, that was a great one. That was a great one. What do we got here? They need to be nasty about LeBron leaving early. To be fair. When did LeBron leave early? What am I missing here? He always does. He always leaves, leaves. That's not. It's the bounce and Rory step that makes him more unlikable. He's playing great. Who wouldn't have loved to see the playoff?
Speaker 6:I mean right that would have been great. I mean, I had money on Bryson, but I would have loved to see a playoff. I mean right, that would have been great.
Speaker 2:I mean, I had money on bryson, but I would have loved to see a playoff the the biggest proponent of pga tour against one of the you know the big names in in live. Uh, for the us open.
Speaker 1:I mean god, that would have been just amazing um, kind of wish they still did the 18 hole playoff. Oh, I would have been sick. Just straight up 18 holes.
Speaker 2:Straight up 18 holes against bryson you know, a monday 18 holer, oh yeah, oh, oh. We gotta know he hated losing to a live player. And also bryson celebration. I, I was fine with the fist pumps. I was fine with the yelling. I was fine with the high fives. I didn't like the little circle jerk bouncing up and down like like they're at a kid and play concert with his little cronies. Yeah, that was fine with the high fives. I didn't like the little circle jerk bouncing up and down like like they're at a kid and play concert with his little cronies. Yeah, that was, that was a little much, um, but uh, yeah, I know you won the us open. I mean, yeah, I, I ran around like a fucking teenager when I had my hole in one and that's just me, you know, with you guys, I couldn't imagine being in front of you know 40 000 people to win the us open god, yeah, I mean I think there's a lot to that with bryson too, like he lost his dad fairly recently.
Speaker 6:You know he's a big fan of pain, stewart, that's why he wore the cap and the history of pinehurst with pain, and you know, I think he really wanted that one and I think that, and after that, up and down like sick is up and down, yeah, okay, so did it?
Speaker 2:did it hurt or did it help that johnson wagner in the dark stuck it closer? Well, that was secure it was the second shot he played it one over, almost under the fucking clubhouse.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I thought that was just the first one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was just pure dumb luck, that second one.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Uh-oh, here we go, coming to the stage Trey, trey. Oh shit, mr Greenscreen. What are you on Billiards table there, trey, he's laying down on the billiards table. He's got the green screen.
Speaker 1:Hey guys.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe not. Trey, are you there? Come in, trey.
Speaker 5:I don't know why it's a green screen.
Speaker 6:Damn, he got home fast dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, ish this is when you run red lights. Okay, let me see. Oh, I got it, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 5:You got it, okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:That was on my other camera.
Speaker 2:There we go, all right.
Speaker 5:So are we still on the Rory topic.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, still on, rory yep.
Speaker 5:So when it comes to roar, my two cents on this are yes and no. God, look at my hair anyway. Uh, you want to see.
Speaker 2:You want to see some hair.
Speaker 5:Look at this so here's the thing I, you know I have I played in high level competitions like us open, no, but I've played in a lot of competitions in my day and I think a lot of people are referencing what bryson did at the pga for the sole fact that if zander missed that putt they would have went into a playoff. So he was. He was already on the range hitting balls, like waiting for that to happen. If he missed that putt now, if bryson was down, you know was four away from the lead, I guarantee you he may have been on the back of the green or he would have left.
Speaker 5:Yeah 100%, you know. But talking about, you know, was it the right thing to do or not? In the public eye it was absolutely the wrong thing to do because we know Bryson had stuck around and congratulated Zander. But from the sole fact of what Jeremy said earlier when I was listening in the car, to stick around is not necessary or mandatory. Really. It's definitely a sportsman like thing to do. Because in other sports it's different.
Speaker 5:You know, in basketball, hockey, football, whatever you're on the field, you're all on you know, you're all on the field, all in the rink with the other team, so you're already saying you know, congratulations and all that. You know some people that are more pissed off about losing than others don't say anything and they just leave, and I think that's their right to do so. And when it comes to this in particular, what dan said, it just allows for everybody, every golfer, non-golfer to have the opinion and dump their two cents on social media, which the five of us have definitely seen the comments on social media on whether it's good, whether it's bad or indifferent.
Speaker 2:So I believe that I think people care way too much about that stuff. Correct, I mean it's so irrelevant?
Speaker 5:It really is, and I think it having the opinions that these people have, it doesn't fucking matter. You know we're not Rory, we're not. You know we're not the one playing for that. And you know the fact that he did what he did, had three bogeys, the last seven holes or eight holes to lose. The thing just goes to show like, how much, like I don't know if it was Dan or Jeremy, but you have so much invested into four days at a US Open and with him being in the lead for three and a half, you know, getting the lead with nine more holes to go To do what he did, everybody would have left. I don't care who you are, I would have been gone, you know.
Speaker 5:And Rory was the second to last group, so it's not like he had the time to run over to the range and warm up for what it could have been a potential playoff, which it didn't turn out to be, so it was like, all right, he ended. Bryson was making 20 million practice swings next to a tree root and so there wasn't exactly time to run over and warm up for 20 minutes, so it was like, ok in, I'm leaving, you know, not to mention all the stuff that happened with his wife, you know, divorcing, not divorcing that going on in his mind, and then also what just happened. Like you know, he'll probably take every week off until the British opener, the Scottish open.
Speaker 2:Scottish open. He said he's not playing until then.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so he'll. You know he's going to probably not touch the clubs until the Scottish open and you know, just put every a bit of mental energy and physical energy into playing those two weeks to get ready for the playoffs.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think if he had like time, like if he was like four or five groups ahead, like he would have had time to come to terms with what happened. Yeah, it just happened, so you know yeah, If he finished, if he finished blame himself for anything.
Speaker 2:If he finished 30, 40 minutes prior to Bryson being on that hole and he's at the range and he's warming up, maybe a different story yeah, correct, I mean especially with the range being at the cradle, he could have very easily walked over there.
Speaker 5:Hey, congratulations. You know you played your heart out and that was the best up up and down I've seen in five years.
Speaker 2:Bad break for Rory. I think he was 498 from that distance, so impressive.
Speaker 5:I mean that's a hell of a stat. I mean that's Tiger-level, donald-level stats right there. As far as putting is concerned, yeah, and you know much like the Augusta. You know pretty much every major when it's this tight doesn't really start until the back nine of the fourth round.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm 0 for 2 from three feet to shoot a PB.
Speaker 5:It's hard, man it's not easy it's tough, and especially when you're trying to do that, I mean hell. Tom Brady is arguably the best quarterback of all time, and he still lost two Super Bowls to the Giants. You know and that's a sport, you know, michael Jordan lost in the playoffs until he made it to the finals in 91, and then he rattled off six in a row. It could have been eight in a row. He just had a break.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know so. And all these comments, I see you know I've been bad about it lately. I've tried not to comment on on social media. I'm really refraining from not being a big asshole on social media, but it's, you know all these people, all these people on social media. Like you can't break 90, so get over yourself good lord.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I all I know is the crank driver driver's going on ebay.
Speaker 6:So oh this is the perfect time to sell the crank driver time to sell the crank driver I'd be. I didn't hear some news today, so we'll probably have to tell you on what yeah, I would keep that news offline for sure.
Speaker 5:You know I'd be. I was. I don't know what post it was it might have been rapaport or somebody I saw on instagram last night and and they talked about crank, having different drivers for swing speeds. And exactly Rob, exactly hey, we get to play with eight-inch cups in two weeks so that should be fun.
Speaker 5:You know as a golf nerd, you know if you're the mayor of Tinkertown and I'm the deputy mayor of Tinkertown, I'd be interested in trying it out. I wouldn't say I'm making a switch, I'm hitting the tireless driver, probably better than any driver I've hit in the last five years. I would love the opportunity to try maybe not Bryson's five degree version, but a version that I could. I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2:I got it. I think it's an eight degree or in the eight or nine.
Speaker 5:If they had a nine degree or even an eight degree, I can probably buy. That's not six hundred dollars and I'd probably mess around with it.
Speaker 6:Is that Trevor's old one or no?
Speaker 2:I don't remember where the hell it came from.
Speaker 6:Because Trevor used to poke that thing. Trevor used to have one right.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's where it came from. I have no idea. I have no idea. Some of the stuff I look at in the shop. I'm like where the hell did this come from?
Speaker 5:I'd be willing to try that driver in like a regular like a 46 to 46 inch regular.
Speaker 2:It'd be a fucking be a spaghetti noodle. Oh, that would be hilarious, it's. Maybe it's remember uh uh miles played it when, because he didn't have his club, so I put together a set and he played it out at matt's walls, that's right thing is obnoxiously loud oh, I imagine but it's not.
Speaker 2:You know, nike squash loud, it's, it's just, it's just doesn't sound normal. It's kind of it's got that de marini sound to it. So all right. So the less the last thing does it come in a lefty julian. You know you're not gonna play a crank driver um now, when he gets his gloves for free.
Speaker 2:Yeah, last thing on the. So I'm sure you guys heard when we were talking I said the three main topics were Bryce and Rory Pinehurst and then Dan added the amateurs, but the golf course. So let's talk about the golf course. And we waited for Joe to be here because we know he's the the architect nerd of the of the group um, and I I said earlier that you know this wasn't your.
Speaker 2:These guys aren't used to playing this type of golf. You know they're, they're. They're used to lush conditions, maybe some thick rough, maybe some short rough. Uh, greens that you know hold the ball. Um, that pretty much the effective green is what you see, not this illusion that donald ross created. Um, so I'm curious what you guys think of of this type of event for, uh, our national championship in golf. If having the guys have this type of challenge where they're playing that, this type of golf that they don't normally play, is, is a good for the U S open.
Speaker 6:Yes, yeah, I thought it was fantastic. I mean I make it. I mean it obviously is hard. Make it as hard as possible because you know, in Adam, in our chat thing, you know they're all playing the same golf course. Okay, nobody has an advantage playing the course. Right, make it as hard as you want to. Who cares? They're all playing the same thing. Let them complain, let it be borderline. You, you know. Still, the cream is going to rise to the top at that given week. I thought it was fantastic. I I love seeing balls come back at him and them missing in bad places, because it made the good shots even better. Yes, bryson, getting up and down from some of those spots. We, like you, can't tell on tv how hard some of those shots were oh and for him to do what they did.
Speaker 6:I mean you, they are hard, you can tell right, but if you're there in person it's way harder than you actually think it is. You know, and I thought, I thought it was great, I loved it.
Speaker 5:yeah, you know, being fortunate enough to play there in 2019, I was talking about it with my friend that went with me and it is probably the top two hardest golf courses I've ever played in my life. Now I obviously I wasn't playing in like prime us open condition, but when you miss the fairway like, you're fucked Like and for Bryson missing as many fairways as he did oh my god, he got he got he got very lucky.
Speaker 5:he got very fortunate and really lucky to be able to have the ball in the places that he had it, and even he said in interviews that his clubs are so upright that him being able to hit certain shots based on where those I don't know what they were calling it those bushes or those, whatever the hell, we'll just call it Wiry grass.
Speaker 1:Wiry grass.
Speaker 5:You know, with him, being able to have clubs that are more upright is a lot easier to possibly get through the wiry grass than a standard lie angle. You know.
Speaker 5:Golf club eight iron, seven iron, whatever you want to call it. So that is, you know that. And when it comes to those style greens, joe's right, it had you know. This is the hardest test of golf 9,000 people are qualifying for this to make it to a U? S open, and next year's at Oakmont, which is arguably the hardest venue of all venues, you know. I think just Dustin Johnson wanted it like five under, six under. So it's great to see a us open, not get to 10 under par. You know, after they shot an opening 65 on the first day, I'm like shit, we're gonna see another 15 under us open, but the usga, you know, clapped back. And Joe is right, cream will rise to the top, people will miss cuts, and it's just being able to put the ball in the right spot at the right time.
Speaker 2:Here's my question, though the PGA Tour and I know this isn't a PGA tour event, but the the PGA tour plays the whole season. Not on a golf course like this, Correct, Not. Not with native areas like this, not with greens that were designed, you know, for playing golf in, not this era. I mean no disrespect to Donald Ross, arguably one of the greatest golf architects of all time, but that that those greens, being that fast it's, it's not the the really, really good shots don't get rewarded because these guys, those shots that they normally hit on the golf courses throughout the rest of the year, they get rewarded for that. I mean, I saw so many balls where they're hitting an 8-iron into the green. It lands 10 feet short of the flag, bounces, stops, rolls and then it's 60 feet off the green. I mean there's.
Speaker 6:Yeah, but here's the thing is. At that point you're not hitting the shot that the course is calling for at that time yeah, no, I, I get that, but I'm.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is, though, is is that why bryson won? Because he was hitting the shots the course called for, or I don't know? I just I, I think it's, I think, bright.
Speaker 6:Bryson got really lucky off the tee. He that could have been really bad incredibly, bryson won because of his up and down game around the greens, correct?
Speaker 6:and clutch putts at at certain times like that, up and down on what was that, eight, nine, I can't remember where. He was in the back he had to make a 10 footer, like at that point in the in the tournament. That could have been a two, three-shot swing If he didn't make that. It was like 12, 15 feet something. It was a monster putt and he drained it. I think Bryson won it because he made some killer up and downs that last day from some tough spots. That's where he won it.
Speaker 2:He didn't win it off the tee, that's for sure. Oh god, no, no, I don't. I don't think he won it off the tee. So many people know weren't in condition contention because of the tee I just I just I, I think it's.
Speaker 2:It's such a unique challenge and a lot of these guys aren't aren't used to playing golf like that, and so how quickly you can adapt to it and how quickly your mindset changes and how quickly you can get into the, the game mode that you need to be into and and adapt, I think that is amazing. Yeah, um, I mean I'd like to see more of that type of challenging golf on the tour yeah, instead. Of once every five, six years at Pinehurst.
Speaker 5:Well, I think leading, and I think the tournaments leading up to the U S open, the Memorial, bay Hill, tpc. Well, Scotty shot 64 in the last day at TPC, but still a hard golf course. You know the Memorial had on-normally a lot of wind it had a lot of wind that week and Jack was saying that over the weekend and you know Scotty won what 9-under, 10-under, something like that instead of probably what could have been 16, 17, 18 under without the wind. So I think there should be a balance of scores. But at the same time, you know, I'd love to see what scores were back in the nineties and early two thousands, you know, before Tiger. But Tiger won the U S open or you know, the British open at St Andrews at 18 under. And I think when Tiger did what he did for as long as he did, it had to raise everybody's level to be that much better. And that's what. That's why kids are destroying these golf courses now. I mean, look at, they said, gordon sergeant led the field at like 350 yards for the week. That's ridiculous. The kid weighs 175 pounds.
Speaker 5:Going back to Joe's point, a US Open is designed for you to be the best you can possibly be that week to be able to perform and place and win. And it requires you what's up, little man. It requires you to be the best golfer that you need to be to perform. And sometimes you're right Hitting an eight iron that goes over because you landed it where you wanted to land. It was the best shot you could have hit. You're right hitting an eight iron that goes over because you landed it where you wanted to land. It was the best shot you could have hit. But if you landed it eight feet closer it might have stayed on the green or 12 feet away instead of 10 feet away.
Speaker 5:So I believe that that test is what is that? That test is what is the U? S open is supposed to be about and what it has evolved to. And I think it was a fantastic showing of the USGA really putting together a quality golf course. And you're right, you know, every course, every course that we see week in and week out, it's lush, it's green, there's very little brown spots, certainly no native area. You know, I think the most brown we might see on a golf course week in and week out, maybe every time they go play the american express in uj west you know, because they because they
Speaker 5:oversee it. It and and the and the rough is dormant. So I think for the U S open, it has to be the hardest test in golf, because it is. It's just, that's just how it's been and how it's always how it's always been, and I think the tougher they make it, the better. Now, obviously, there is a line that can be crossed. You're not going to be putting, you know, mitch's revenge to 2022, mitch's revenge kind of pin locations out there, but it shouldn't be an easy task. I should say that you know, 2019 might've been an easy task for most of those guys, but it rained a lot, you know, and that's something that the USGA has no control over, and they do their best with what they got.
Speaker 6:Did you see that post where um the crowd was billing the guy watering the greens.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 6:I mean that says it all right there, man.
Speaker 5:The fans wanted carnage yeah, I mean that says it all right there, man. The fans wanted carnage, yeah, and I think, oh, they got it, they did you know. I believe that is, uh, that is the way to go in a us, open for sure, and watering the green like that just allows for it to be playable, probably correct, not as difficult but still on a level that requires the perfect shot at the right time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, yep all right.
Speaker 5:I mean dan, dan, you've played, you know you used to play some, you know some high level events, and same with jeremy. I mean, what's your thoughts on, you know, playing a course that is not unplayable but is the word of the week, borderline?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I don't, actually, if I can really recall any course that I've ever played in any kind of tournaments has been borderline. I can really recall any course that I've ever played in any kind of tournaments has been borderline. I've seen a lot on TV, especially when one that comes to mind was the US Open at Chinnokuk I think that was early 2000s where they were literally syringing the greens in between groups, like one group would play 15 and then a crew would come out and squirt that green. The next group would come up and play. It was nothing like I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:But like you said, trey, it's the US Open. It shouldn't be easy to win. This is definitely the biggest and hardest event to win and unfortunately, yeah, you don't ever want to see a course get lost, but also that's kind of what you need, because these guys are that fucking good. Um, you know, even if you were to have one of the toughest, hardest courses, you get a night of rain. They're gonna tear it up the next morning. You know that these guys are just they're. They're the best at what they do, they are the best to at adapting to the other sets. And that, mr, it's for the day.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, hell yeah. Dan was saying something like oh shit, hell yeah. Ike too. But, like I said, these guys are the best at what they do, so they can easily adapt to whatever situations come up. I thought that this US Open was absolutely perfect. Like this is the way it should be. There shouldn't be 10 under 12, under 14, under 18, underscore. It should be even. That's what they used to say back in the day. You put four rounds, even together, your chances are you're going to win the US Open. I don't know if it's because of technology, because of the different courses they use now, but I love to see golf courses kick their ass. I love to see these pros bitch and I want to see more of that. Unfortunately, it doesn't really work like that, because these courses are kind of few and far between, and you know Well, it's after this.
Speaker 2:And seeing the feedback from everybody how much they enjoyed it. I can't wait to see what they do at Oakmont. I mean, I don't want to see Oakmont dried out. Oakmont is stunning. No, but, I would love to see some bring those fairways in even more and make that rough, even thicker.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, six-inch rough, six-inch, eight-inch rough. And then bring those fairways in about five yards on that rough, even thicker. Six inch rough, six inch, eight inch rough. And then bring those fairways in about five yards on each side.
Speaker 5:I think Oakmont so high did I think Oakmont has the sub air system underneath the turf there and to Dan's credit and what we've been talking about is the US Open you should be severely may not be the right word, but you should be highly punished when you miss the fairway at a US Open. When you missed the fairway at a US Open and there was a lot of that with the native area at Pinehurst and it worked in Bryson's favor all day Sunday, missing nine, ten fairways that he missed to be able to do what he did and come away with it. Because when he hit it in the bunker on 18, I immediately thought, oh, that's a five, that's what I thought. But I'm like playoff, you know, and for any of us I mean lord knows, like smiley kaufman's tweet, lord knows, I probably would have hit it over the freaking over the building into the damn parking lot because did you see pinehurst response to that?
Speaker 2:no they covered it like. That's why we constantly retrieve balls from the roof and they're gonna start retrieving a lot more, because you know everybody's gonna go out there and try that shot now.
Speaker 5:But but the crazy thing is oh yeah, I mean it's. Pinehurst is gonna be a six hour round now, because everybody's just want to go to that bunker and try that shot.
Speaker 1:With a tree root. Right.
Speaker 5:No, I mean no one, go over there. You're going to be needing a new golf club. I've done that and it sucks. It hurts a bit like a motherfucker. But going back to what I was saying about Donald Ross greens, is every Donald Ross golf course I have played the greens are the exact same. Now, exact same with some room. Obviously they're not all going to be a US Open quality green, but they're all turtleback and they're, all you know, within five, six feet of the edge of the greens. They're all going to roll off and you're going to be on collars and rough and bunkers and all of that.
Speaker 5:And there was an awesome golf course in Southwest Florida called Sarah Bay that all four of you guys would love. It was next to a small airport but that was the most Donald Ross golf course I'd ever seen golf course I'd ever seen. It's thick, bermuda rough and just real humpback greens that just if you know the ball, if the pin's in the right spot, you've got to hit the correct shot on the opposite side of the hole to make sure you got yourself 15 to 30 foot putt for at least for a birdie or a par. So you know, congratulations to the usga creating a tough challenge and the winner only being six under was fun to see because on sunday, you know a lot of these guys, they had a tough time with it, and even finow, you know finow short-sighted himself on what was that 16, I think it was um, and he, you know, he made that triple and you know that's, that's the us open, right there.
Speaker 2:you, you know, and bryson just yeah, ludwig, I mean he was playing fantastic, just destroyed him well, welcome to the us.
Speaker 5:Open and and the crazy thing is is, you know a lot. For a guy like ludwig hopefully rory too this is a learning lesson, you know, and that's the only thing that guys like that can do from here is like there's no sense in getting down on yourself. Now it's over, so time to take a step back, evaluate what you did, move forward and pray to God for Rory McIlroy. Hopefully Port Rush becomes the one that he can convert and win another one, because if he's got to wait another year to try and grab another one, social media is not going to be very kind, but at the end of the day, he doesn't give a shit either. So If he's got to wait another, year to try and grab another one.
Speaker 2:Social media is not going to be very kind, but at the end of the day he doesn't give a shit either. Hey, jeremy, if you can look up and see where Rory finished at Oakmont and I'm sure was Bryson playing then, because DJ won that- I know DJ won that one.
Speaker 5:That was 2016, and I think Bryson was an amateur still, because I think he won the US Amateur.
Speaker 2:US Am, so he played in it then.
Speaker 5:I think he might have played in it.
Speaker 2:yeah, Curious to see, Look that up and see. Hey Joe, you weren't here when we asked you how was Moreno Valley?
Speaker 6:Well, we stayed in Moreno Valley. Trey was with me, of course. It was good man, very quick trip, but yeah, it was a lot of fun. Got to eat some portillos, stayed at that. La Quinta in Moval yeah, it was a good day.
Speaker 6:We went out there to play golf at Jared DeAnda's club, victoria Club, special place like just vibes, a lot of vibes, real cool, nothing super drastic, same designer as Lakeside, which I know Dan's played, but it was a lot of fun. We got to play with, uh, justin eldridge, who is from um 33. What is it? The 33 company? I forget exactly what it is, but he makes the, the, the teas with the flavor, like the little small teas, like the toothpick.
Speaker 6:Oh, I forgot to give you some, oh, yeah, um, but yeah, he used to be a pro skateboarder which was like super cool because I used to skateboard. I used to give you some, um, but yeah, he used to be a pro skateboarder which was like super cool because I used to skateboard. I used to watch him in freaking skate videos growing up, you know. And then his brother played with us, chance, and of course, jared. It was a good day, man, um, awesome dudes to play golf with and the course was fun. Uh, went over to jared's house after jumped in the pool, jumped, jumped off the roof. Uh, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, do we get that on?
Speaker 5:video? Yeah, definitely, and we got both of us on video doing it. Yeah, Um, it was. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was. The golf course was fantastic.
Speaker 5:The greens were really good. Thick, the Bermuda rough around the greens. Greens was um, typical. I think it was bermuda rye mixture. I'm not a grass expert, but um, it was very cool, you know, and it definitely reminded me of being a member of my own club, hosting your friends and your buddies coming over. And I mean for him too. It's a, you know, he can literally ride his bike right around the corner. He takes it right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean he takes a right and a left out of his house and he's right there at the golf club. So but it was very cool because, especially for a guy like Jared, he almost sticks out like a sore thumb at that club where there's a lot of older military members and things like that. Then you got this guy who was the voice of formula drift that's got straight Cali vibes coming in and long foot, you know the long hair and the loud personality. But you know he, they all you know from the people that were interacting with him, they all love them at that club and it was very cool to to be there and just, you know, kind of take a day out there. And you know we missed you, dan, I know you couldn't make it, but uh, it's definitely available to go down there and even maybe for you guys and uh, possible guests like myself to to go down there, even do a full pot at jared's, in jared's backyard. You know he would be open to it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, that's for sure his house is so cool, uh, I mean it's, it's a sick crib, yeah, but when we were leaving he you know, I've told him he said he was down to jump on the pod, so we'll have to have him on soon. Um justin from um the number 33 number 33. Yeah, yeah, um, really good day, like just like a really cool. It felt like a classic, like sunday with your homies, like just like it was. It was really fun, really fun yeah, now back to work I'm off tomorrow, so oh yeah
Speaker 5:yeah, I'm working tomorrow and thursday and then utah on friday. Yeah, that's why I didn't drive, because all the boys are hopping in the telluride Friday to go up to Utah. So I told Joe I was like I need you to drive, bro, or else we're putting a couple thousand miles in a week on the telluride.
Speaker 6:I got my brakes fixed finally.
Speaker 2:Hey.
Speaker 6:Nice Joe Well done.
Speaker 1:That's always good to have some brakes when you're hauling babies around.
Speaker 6:I didn't want to put up to the private club that the voice of Formula Drift is. Who's?
Speaker 1:this guy.
Speaker 6:Jay was like we'll pull up Ace Ventura with the head out the window.
Speaker 5:Well, the funny thing is is we pulled up to the club this morning and I guess like part of the sign was broken to press the buttons to get in. So Joe's pressing all the buttons and none of them work at all. And then this soccer mom pulled up right next to us with three kids in the car and we look at her like yeah, yeah, we're just trying to play golf with our friend today. Can you listen? But it was, it was. It was very cool, definitely. Uh, when I think of la you know, besides all the nitty-gritty shit that most people think about when they think of la when I think of a decent part of la, that's not calabasas and Thousand Oaks, like that's what I think about is that kind of that area where it's, you know, you got a lot of the mid-century homes built in the fifties and sixties and you can kind of see where old LA used to be.
Speaker 6:That's converted into a newer LA and you know, obviously it felt like Riviera meets like San Clemente, like because the clubhouse is on top of a hill. So you got that like hill vibe of Riv. And then, you know, number one goes down. It kind of had that vibe to it. It was, it was awesome.
Speaker 1:Have you been to Riviera Joe?
Speaker 6:No, no, I mean from what I see on TV. You know, hey Moore said he played sarah bay.
Speaker 2:How? Why are you still up? Go to bed, man. Go to bed, jeez still playing a game uh, love to see crazy tough open conditions. Beth paid rider cup.
Speaker 5:Yep, that would be amazing vibes brah yeah, brah vibe yeah, and do they have a captain for the Ryder Cup next year? They have, pick one. I mean, I know there was talk about Tiger doing
Speaker 5:it, yeah, yeah, I mean with him with Bryson winning that and them using the Ryder Cup points based on how much money you make. Yeah, I mean with him, with Bryson winning that and them using the Ryder Cup points based on how much money you make. I mean as long as you know, and he's he got what top five in the second at the last two majors.
Speaker 4:Yeah, or second, I don't know what he Sixth in the second Sixth in the second.
Speaker 5:So he's made enough money from those two to make sure that he's on. Yeah, I think enough money from those two to make sure that he's on. Uh, I think you know he's on the team for next year. So even if he doesn't make the top six like if you don't pick him this time around, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah luke donald is going to be the european but they haven't chosen the us one, yet oh, did you get the rory oakmont stat yet?
Speaker 1:yeah, he missed the cut bryson uh, he, he finished t13. He got in through sectional qualifying because he he missed the cut.
Speaker 3:Ooh Eight over Bryson Bryson. Uh he, he finished T13. He got in through sectional qualifying cause. He he had an exemption from winning the U S amateur, but he lost it when he turned pro right before that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and then they changed that.
Speaker 1:What year was that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, 2016. Yeah, they changed that rule, so now, uh, yeah, they changed that rule. So now you know, if he turns pro, you can still play.
Speaker 2:You can still play, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and I believe earlier and I don't know if you saw my comment because I was still in the car with Joe Shipley was a grad transfer to Ohio State, yep, and he went to a different one, transferred as a grad. Correct and he has PGA Tour America status. So he is in Canada this week playing in PGA Tour.
Speaker 4:Well, it's not PGA Tour Canada, but we're going to call it that.
Speaker 5:Yeah well, not the Canada Tour, it's the PGA Tour Canada. There is a Canada Tour, but not affiliated.
Speaker 2:And then other side notes. John Daly II is playing this week in Corn Ferry. Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah, travelers, this is another elevated event. So big money, big points. No, rory, I'm curious to see if Scotty has a whole new bag set up.
Speaker 6:I think you get fined for not playing in events.
Speaker 2:Right, you do you do if you miss. If you miss more than two, I think you're allowed one to where you decide. Hey, I'm not gonna play this one if you give him a heads up status, but yeah, he'll be fine for this one yeah, yeah, but he will be fined or he'll be fine no, no, he'll be fined. He's going to have a deduction from his bank account.
Speaker 5:I think he'll be all right. I think he's going to be just fine, because he's not going to have to pay alimony anymore Did you see that.
Speaker 3:PGA Tour made the exemption for Tiger to play in the elevated events for lifetime achievement Good for him.
Speaker 5:They need that because, whether he plays well or not, he still moves the needle.
Speaker 2:Yep, 100%, he does 100%.
Speaker 5:It's not like he's going to play this week, but it allows him now, in 2025, to cater the schedule to those, Didn't he say he was going to try to play once a month?
Speaker 2:That was I mean it was before he found out that his leg is is not of this earth anymore.
Speaker 5:He technically has played once a month.
Speaker 1:And then he says now his last event is going to be the the uh open.
Speaker 5:He played February, April, May, June.
Speaker 2:Stop it with the golf carts. Okay, Stop it.
Speaker 6:He won't play. He won't play if he has to ride a car. He said that before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, professional golf is a walking tour.
Speaker 5:I don't even think he's going to play the senior tour honestly, even with a cart, because the senior tour plays with a cart, except for the majors.
Speaker 1:He doesn't need to play senior tour. He should go over to live when he turns 50.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is if he, goes if he plays on the senior tour and wins the senior US Open, he'll be the only person to ever win a junior, an AM, a US Open and a senior Open, so that is an accolade that he could shoot for.
Speaker 5:I guess That'd be a hell of an accolade that he could shoot for. I guess, I mean, that'd be a hell of an accolade, that's for sure. But I don't think it's that important to him because I think once he hits 50, I believe charlie is going to be right around 18 and you know, I would allow him to focus on charlie and helping him maybe he'll go to live and then the live team will draft Charlie, kind of like what LeBron's doing with Brawny.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's ranked 250th in the state of Florida. Tiger Doesn't matter, we're drafting, charlie.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I know Miles Russell, and you need to be able to be competing with him, to Tiger's kid or not. You need to be able to compete with with him, to tiger's kid or not. You know you need to be able to compete with him and that kid's just filthy.
Speaker 2:All right, gentlemen Trey, thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 5:Thanks for having me hopping out Dan see you Friday.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir and Joe, you know, take us home, I guess. Yeah, we're done.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I'm beat, I'm tired.
Speaker 2:Oh Trey left. Yeah, Trey has left the building.
Speaker 3:He didn't stick around to congratulate us he did not stick around at all.
Speaker 2:He said he was out, so he's out. He's out.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it was a long day for him and myself. So glad I was able to at least jump on late driving in. But good day yeah thanks for tuning in. I hope you all enjoyed the US Open. Find her shine. I think it was fantastic. And until next week we'll catch you later. Get out chasing daylight Later, later, bye.