283: Is the PGA Tour Losing Its Spark? Paiute Tournament Recap, New Golf Gear, and Ryder Cup Captain Keegan Bradley

What if the PGA Tour's traditional tournaments are losing their allure? Join us on this week's episode of The Chasing Daylight as we debate the pressing need for innovation in golf to keep fans engaged. This episode kicks off with a fun jab at our friends in the Pacific Northwest for griping about mild weather while we roast under the Vegas sun. We recount our recent VGN Paiute tournament, showcasing how even tough conditions couldn't dampen our spirits. We also let you in on some exciting news— from hunting for a new producer to revealing the fresh LA Golf shafts being added to Matt's bag, and we question the relevance of the John Deere Classic sandwiched between major events.

Will revisiting iconic courses or introducing fresh venues reignite the thrill of PGA Tour events? We discuss how tournaments like the Shriners, Harbortown, and Kapalua spark our interest and the unique joy of watching competitions at courses we've played, like Torrey Pines. Yet, the need for new, captivating courses to maintain viewer enthusiasm is glaring. We delve into how innovative broadcasting and course rotations like LIV Golf could rejuvenate the PGA Tour. We weigh in on Tom Coyne's intriguing foray into golf course design with Craig & Coyne and what this could mean for future play.

Finally, a big shout-out to our Paiute tournament champs: Aaron Pusey, Alessandro Giampaolo, Rhett Michelson, and Chris Phillips! We relive some memorable moments, including an initially embarrassing shot turned positive with five birdies. As we look ahead to the Wildhorse tournament, we bring you a spirited conversation about the unexpected yet exciting appointment of Keegan Bradley as Ryder Cup captain. His humble acceptance and potential to bridge the gap between veteran players and emerging talents could signify a significant shift. Don't miss our insights on the importance of playing iconic courses like Bethpage Black and the camaraderie it fosters.

Links for this episode:
https://www.instagram.com/landscapesunlimited_llc/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/craigandcoyne/?hl=en

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We have a new partnership with The Golf Stop. Be sure to stop by their new facility and check it out! It's a great spot to practice, hang out, or get some swings with the boys!
https://thegolfstop.com/

Please check out FN3P Golf, one of our show supporters. You can save money by using our code "CDPODCAST" when you check out.
https://bit.ly/3yWe9pl

The Las Vegas Golf Superstore
The premier retail destination for golfers in the Las Vegas Valley!

The Golf Stop
An indoor Trackman Lounge in the south end of the valley featuring four bays, a snack bar, and beer!

Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.

We hope you enjoy this week's episode, and if you do, please consider leaving us a review on either Spotify or iTunes. Thank You!

Transcript

Matt: 0:30

Thank you. What is up? Fans of the Chasing Daylight Podcast, Welcome to another episode. How is everybody doing this evening? It's hot as balls in Vegas Record temperatures. I think it's hilarious that our friends in the Pacific Northwest are complaining about 96 degrees. Yeah.

Joe: 0:48

Yeah, jp, it's more humid up there, though, for sure.

Matt: 0:53

Oh, absolutely. It's more humid and 96 degrees up there is a little wild, but still I mean come on. Come on, come on, uh-oh, let's see what say boy, these three minutes. Oh, I'm sorry, rob, you can see there's, there's only three of us right now. We're waiting for somebody and you know it happens we're hiring for a producer.

Joe: 1:18

If, if you're available, the pay is zero yeah, it's, it's, it's lucrative, lucrative internship yes internship, yes, anybody interested?

Matt: 1:29

and wants to take this on, because let me tell you, it's not easy sitting here. Joe's gonna find out in a couple weeks when I'm gone. Um, it may just be a uh, an audio version of the podcast, because what's up, jay?

Joe: 1:44

hey, I'm smart, I could figure it out.

Matt: 1:47

I'll be fine is the hat the right way this week, or no, nope it's still backwards.

Jeremy: 1:51

No, I'll just, I'll just keep it up here there you go.

Matt: 1:54

Nobody can see it. Uh, welcome to the show, jay, how you doing, I'm good. How are you guys? Uh, little, absolutely wonderful.

Joe: 2:05

A little, absolutely wonderful, a little absolutely wonderful.

Matt: 2:09

Check your mic, jeremy, maybe on your AirPods instead of your studio microphone. So hey, so a lot going on. We had our VGN tournament over the weekend out at Paiute. It was absolutely fantastic. It was hot as hell, but still, paiute never disappoints. It's an amazing golf course. It was fun playing the Wolf course out there for the first time with the VGN. Most legends never die Great, great conditions. The wind, I think, dan, I think we had the worst of the wind. We were hoping. I was hoping at least, that it was going to get nasty.

Joe: 2:54

And it didn't um, it didn't uh.

Matt: 2:54

So you know, yeah, we were a group behind you guys and yeah, I think we, I think we faced the brunt of it you know, I think, yeah, I think, when we were on six, seven, eight and nine, it was the nastiest and I know a lot of people weren't on the course then yeah and uh, because I mean I know nine was, it was stiff in our face yeah, us too.

Joe: 3:10

Yeah, that's.

Matt: 3:10

That's a long hole into the wind, so yeah because I hit this was I hit the same two shots that I hit, uh, thursday for the practice round that I had out there and I was pin high with my 5-wood and I was short with it and yeah, it was, it was brazy, but then it died and it was just hot. You pay in bean and cheese burritos.

Joe: 3:35

One per week, one per week allotment, for sure Gotcha, the price has gone way up, too high.

Matt: 3:43

So something else we'll be chatting about. Keegan bradley was announced as rider cup captain for next year, so curious to hear anybody's thoughts if they want to chime in on that. Um, I've got my final two shafts from la golf coming to complete my bag from putter through driver. Um, that'll be for the three-wood and 5-wood Bandon man. We're close, it's close.

Matt: 4:08

Yep, we're close the John Deere. Is this a tournament we need to even have anymore? It's getting to a point it's had more first-time winners than any other tournament. You know, a lot of the live fanboys and robots say, uh, it's a horrible product, it's a glorified cornberry event. Um, yeah, I mean, say what you want about that. These are pga tour players. They've earned their spot on tour. Um, so, besides the amateurs that are tearing it up, um, but I'm curious, you guys think that, uh, you know, maybe a little bit not interested in the John Deere anymore.

Joe: 4:49

I think the struggle for John Deere is it's in between, like the majors and it's like, okay, we're so hyped on all these majors, and then there's this tournament that it's like we're just getting excited for the Open, you know, the British Open.

Matt: 5:06

Yeah, that's why I was glad to see the Detroit Country Club, or whatever it's called, redoing the greens and giving something for us to look forward to in that dead space between majors. I have a lot of guys that don't play uh guys, that don't play.

Joe: 5:29

And yeah, on an architecture tip. I don't know if anybody saw this or if you were tuned into it, but you guys know tom coin, right, tom coin. He writes for golfer's journal. He did the, the books on uh walking scotland and a course called america, a course called Ireland, a course called. You guys know Tom Coyne, right, I see Dan and Jeremy knowing.

Matt: 5:51

I don't read publications, so sorry. Wow, what a loser.

Jeremy: 5:56

I just know him from the beginning I read books.

Matt: 6:02

I read golf books.

Joe: 6:04

Tom Coyne is a huge golf fan, right, he played basically every course in Ireland. He wrote a book about it. He played many courses in America. He wrote books called, you know, a course called Ireland and he wrote about his experience. But I saw recently that he launched a golf course design company called Craig and Coin and they are building. They actually have like three projects in the works which I'm very excited about. His, his partner walked in the same footsteps as some scholars, like AW Tillinghast that, that walked it back in Ireland. But yeah, they bought a property. I'm pulling it up right now, sandy Hills. I can't remember exactly where it is, I think it's Nebraska, but they got a cool piece of property with like a snake river in between. But really, really cool to see Tom Coyne partnering with Colton Craig to to start a design firm and I'm I'm really curious to see what they, what they build, because he's played everywhere, everywhere, so that's going to be cool.

Matt: 7:15

Something to look forward to.

Jeremy: 7:17

Joe, if you didn't have a family to take care of, would you be an intern with like a golf architect?

Joe: 7:24

Yeah, I mean if I, if I could have my same situation right now, but if I started earlier in the game of golf, I would have loved to just be in like a bulldozer and like shaping greens. I, I think I missed my calling, unfortunately, you know shape shaping greens.

Joe: 7:42

I like that, you know in greens and spinning lps yeah, I know I, I mean I wish I found it earlier, but like a lot of us, we do not find it as earlier, as early as we hope, but, uh, glad I found it. You know, um, it would have been cool to if my dad bought those clubs for me back in the day and, uh, I was I started, I kept with it back then.

Matt: 8:07

But yeah, I love it rob's got a good question here. Honest question, he says outside of the majors and the players and the waste management, maybe the tour championship? What pga tour events do you actually get hyped up for? Well, shriners, because it's here. Yeah, um, let's see Harbortown.

Jeremy: 8:27

I love watching Harbortown.

Matt: 8:29

Harbortown. I love Kapalua. I love watching that one because I played it. Uh, torrey Pines, um, I like the Palm Springs stuff because it's a, it's a shootout. It's like the first event that everybody's at. Uh, see, I love the. The Florida swing is good.

Matt: 8:45

Um, I mean, it's tough to get hyped up. You know, majors kind of bring it all but, uh, I don't know, there there's some that I I think at this point in the season with so much going on, uh, you know, you just had the nhl just wrapped up, the nba just wrapped up, wimbledon's going on, f1 just had a huge race. Um, you just had the NHL just wrapped up, the NBA just wrapped up, wimbledon's going on. F1 just had a huge race. You know, the Euro is going on, copa Cup's going on. I mean there's a lot of sporting events going on in the world right now and you know, a mediocre field at a track that isn't like on anybody's bucket list that I know of, um, I don't think it's going to resonate big with. I would love to see what the viewership was this this week, because you know tons of comments I got from you know who, who are these guys? What about you guys?

Joe: 9:42

I don't think there's anything I get really hyped up on anymore other than the majors. Um, you know it's. I think that the tour needs to go to new spots and show new courses and new you know, new routings or or new spots to entertain the people that have been watching for a long time, because there is too much content out there that you can watch, whether it be YouTube or live or whatever you're into to find something new. And you know we don't learn anything new every year, like, and I think we're in the day and age where it's like we need something new, we need to be entertained. Um, it's just, it's the same thing, like I don't mind the john deere, but I wasn't. Like, hey, I gotta tune into the john deere because I like green hats. You know that wasn't. That's not why I'm tuning into it.

Joe: 10:39

Um, I think there needs to be more curiosity and new things happening. Shout out Detroit Golf Club for Rocket Mortgage, like what they're doing. I will definitely tune in next year for that, because I want to see something new. And yeah.

Joe: 10:57

I don't know. I just you're stuck in this season, right, it's like the summer and it's it's major season and it's hard for people to stand out because there's so much going on. That actually does mean something and, um, I just think they need to bring it to new spots, like who cares if the course is short? Or like we're in the day and age where it's like people are traveling for golf and you need to bring new aspects to the game because there's been so many people that have jumped in and and bring us something new. I've been watching I've only been in golf for six years and I'm I loved betting on golf and watching every single shot, and I'm I'm almost tired of these like uh courses that are like, okay, it's you know, nothing too special about it, and I think there needs to be some some, some specialness to the game coming in dan what's your thoughts?

Dan: 11:56

yeah, I would agree with joe on that aspect especially. Uh, like with the new golf courses. Like I don't really get geeked up for these tournaments I get. I get more geeked up to see how the course is looking and how the course is playing, like especially with, like you know, like riviera, you know courses like that, courses I've played tory pines.

Dan: 12:15

I want to see those courses. You know I could give two shits on who wins the tournament, I just want to see those courses kick their ass. Yeah, so yeah, unfortunately now it's just to the point where I mean it's awesome to see these guys shoot 24, 25 under because everybody likes to see a lot of birdies, but also for a while, you know, for a bit, you want to see a true test of golf. And these smaller tournaments like the John Deere's and your Valspar's and your stuff like that, where these guys shoot 20 plus under, you know it, it's kind of losing its luster a little bit. So yeah, I totally agree with joe, if they can just find some new courses, or or these golf architects actually build like tournament worthy courses, like literally I'm going to build this course because I want to, I want this course to host the us open or I want to build this course because this course is going to host pga. Like I want to see tough as tracks built for these tour guys.

Matt: 13:16

But is that what happened, though with it's, not with what they're doing in?

Dan: 13:20

frisco. Frisco it could be. I mean, that's a brand new. It is a brand new track and it's hard as shit, but still I haven't really seen any tour guys go out there. I've seen a lot of the best club champ, club pros in the country playing that course and some of them do pretty well still have a feeling the tour guys would probably go out there and still somebody's going to shoot a 64, which, yeah, which you wouldn't think after me personally, after after walking that course for a few days, I wouldn't think that's possible. But that's what those guys do, you know they're that good. So, yeah, I would love to see some tougher tracks get, get in into the. You know, these in these, in these like fall stops and these smaller tournaments. But you know, we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Joe: 14:01

Well, that's the thing. The newer wave of golf architecture is not building it for golf tournaments anymore exactly, it wasn't. No, not at all like in the 80s when pete die was building sawgrass and you know they were building championship courses for the tour to play on them.

Matt: 14:18

And now yeah, buddy's trips weren't a thing then.

Joe: 14:21

Yeah, they're building golf courses as a destination for your homies, absolutely. I saw Gil Hance Caveman Design is building a new course in Florida that's going to be private, on the Citrus Cove. It's like 1,600 acres. I mean, if they kept that in mind and they put tee boxes where it could be played, I think they should do that, because there's going to be a turn where it's like we're done with this and we need to see some new stuff. If they keep that in mind when they're building these courses.

Joe: 15:01

And we need to have a tee box, you know, 100 yards behind this one. Like, if they could keep that in mind to build it that way like house, I mean land man. I mean we've never been out there. I want to get out there, but like I think a knowing king collins, like a tournament out there, would be sick. Or like a gilhance did build frisco and they are going to come out there for the pga championship in 26, I believe. But there is so many projects happening and if, if they could build it to where it is adaptable, to where championship golf could be played on it, I think there is a revolution right behind that door jeremy, what do you think you're on mute buddy.

Jeremy: 15:50

Okay, collect my thoughts. I think one of the problems and maybe it's not a problem, but you can consume golf content everywhere you look, whether it's social or YouTube, you're constantly. If you've been searching for golf or if you're into golf, you're going to be completely overwhelmed with golf content. So maybe, and I think a lot of the new golfers and this is you know, I don't like to speak for them because I'm not a new golfer but I feel like they relate more to good, good and the newer content, golf, like the newer golf I don't think a lot of those people care about PGA tour events, especially the ones that aren't majors.

Jeremy: 16:34

So I mean, one idea is you could uh, shorten the season a bit or maybe have weeks between events, but they kind of already do that. They have the special events where they're elevated, and then they have the regular events where the smaller or the smaller named people playing them. So I don't know like it almost feels like there's too much golf content out there, but it's really your choice on what you consume. Like I'm more of a watch golf on tv person because that's how I've been my whole life. I don't care about the social media, golf as much I don't. I don't really follow or or pay attention to any of that unless I'm looking for it, like to get banned and inside info yeah so I don't know.

Jeremy: 17:18

There's tons of golf out there.

Joe: 17:21

It's just maybe different demographics are interested in pockets of it yeah, and it could just be the day and age where it's like we are, we're golfers, right, and that's what we look for, and we're just like completely absorbed with everything that's out there. And maybe we are just inundated with too much content nowadays, because that's the way the world is nowadays, and we're not as excited to see davis thompson play in the john deere, you know, um, because I go on youtube every day and there is for sure at least one golf video that is presented to me on my home page, you know, along with a lot of kendrick lamar videos and a lot of people shitting on drake videos, um, but you know, there's brown videos and there's.

Joe: 18:11

There's so much out there, there's so much out there to where you don't have to watch golf on tv anymore. If you want to consume golf, you can consume in other ways ie, instagram, youtube.

Matt: 18:26

However, I'd like to see them go. Okay, this is the field you had. This is their world ranking points. This is your TV ratings. You finished last. So we're going to go somewhere else and we're going to give somebody else an opportunity. And you know, have have some. Uh, you know, regulation where?

Matt: 18:49

uh you know a tournament. Hey, you had your shot. You know it's. Yeah, you've been there's a staple. It's been around for 30 plus years but nobody gives a shit about this. Why are we continuing to do it when there's places people would give a shit to watch? Yeah, I mean, that's the bad.

Jeremy: 19:09

The bad part about that is all of those small tournaments like the john deere. Oh, that's historical. They have historical moments in that tournament, like spieth winning his first event there in dramatic fashion or every single one of those tournaments have how long do you hold on? To several examples, nobody cares yeah, I mean probably.

Joe: 19:31

It's a tough thing yeah, nobody's around that remembers prohibition anymore, really, so it's like you know what I mean. It's true, yeah, do you remember Prohibition? You reach for some shit so far. Sometimes it's hilarious, I'm just saying, and it depends on what the PGA Tour values represents.

Matt: 20:00

They value TV time because that's all. The money is made from ads, so they want viewership.

Joe: 20:07

So the PGA Tour does not give a shit about legacy. They do not care about legacy. They care about Rolex paying for ad time. So if they want viewers, they need to highlight courses that people want to go play, and I think the switch is going to come at some point.

Jeremy: 20:28

I don't. I agree with that and I think that they should move in that direction, but I think there's a lot of golfers that don't care about seeing different courses. I don't know.

Joe: 20:41

And there's a lot of golfers that don't care about Spieth winning at John Deere for the first time either. It's true, it's true.

Jeremy: 20:49

But I mean, I don't know if that would improve things like going to Landman. That's just an example, but I feel like there's a specific type of golfer that is wanting to feel that experience through watching a tour event at a course like that, not the masses of just people that are just no I know it's our small little click yeah but it's also, there is an older demographic of golf fans that are leaving.

Joe: 21:24

I will say it like that people are dying, we get it yeah, it's gonna have to change at some point.

Joe: 21:31

It's going to. If the pj tour wants to be adaptable to the current states of the industry, they're going to have to adapt at some point. I'm not saying that like they need to go play landman or broom sedge or wherever the wherever it is for me to be a fan or a viewer. What I'm saying is, at some point there's going to be a turning point where they're going to have to change, and I don't know when that is, but it's going to happen at some point and it's going to have to happen at some point well, it's, it's when the sponsors are going we're not getting back what we're putting in for this.

Matt: 22:10

You know it's, it's when fedex is gonna go, dude, we've been giving you guys a shit ton of money and we're not getting anything out of this. And you know, same thing happened with nascar. I mean, how many sponsors has nascar had in the in the past 15, 20 years when nascar was going crazy? It was the next hell cup and then the sprint cup and then the. You know it used to be the. It was the winston cup forever, you know, but that was cigarettes and that's bad. So now you know, and it's I don't even know what it's called now, but, um, yeah, it's, it's when the sponsors go okay, this isn't working for us anymore. And I mean john deere, where they host, it's. It's when the sponsors go okay, this isn't working for us anymore. And I mean John Deere, where they host. That, it's in their home, it's, it's. It means a lot to the community.

Matt: 22:53

Um so they're willing to pay for it. But some of these other venues that you know, it's just I don't know. I still see a lot more people going to the PGA tour events than the live events. So I don't think the the live model is is going to change anything and make the PGA tour try to do what they're doing. I just I think there's gotta be something that's got to bring in more viewers for events. I mean they're, I think they're trying. You know they've got some sick drone footage. The camera work has been great.

Joe: 23:33

They're doing the walk and talks, which I think are awesome. So Drop on Instagram said do you think Liv is doing that with their course rotation Rumor they might go to Chambers next year. I think that, no, that they're playing shit courses.

Dan: 23:47

Yeah, but.

Joe: 23:48

Orange County, I mean.

Matt: 23:49

God.

Joe: 23:50

Yeah. But I mean, like when they played pumpkin Ridge, I was like, oh, I would love to get to pumpkin Ridge, I would love to get to this course. It looks sick, it looks cool and Fucking Gary player shitted on chambers Bay During that and fucking Gary Player shitted on Chambers Bay during that US Open and it hasn't been highlighted since and it is a really cool venue. If they get there, I think I don't know, usa is GA shit on Chambers Bay and also Pga tour plays a lot of courses that we can't play, which also I think hurts them. You know, if, if they played courses that the public could actually play, that could help. You know, because you're like, oh, I've, I've played chambers bay. I'm gonna watch chambers bay on tv because I've played it. I've never played Quail Hollow, like, and I probably never will, but I'll watch it, I guess.

Joe: 24:51

But if I've played a course, it makes me more engaged to want to watch it, because I know I was short-sighted on that in that bunker. You know, at that flag or, and I think that's where it's like a relatable thing, at that flag or, and I think that's where it's like a relatable thing, you know, if you, if you can actually go play the course, like you can go to a baseball stadium for every baseball game and join as a fan and you've been there and witnessed it and seen what happens and you understand the environment. If you can go play a course, it makes it more relatable to you and I think that that could be like a situation where you know, if I can play the course, it makes me want to go play the course. But if I can't play the course, like do I care about it as much as I would if I could go play it?

Matt: 25:41

that's a tough pill, I I don't know because so you tell me, you're, you're telling me that oh, what am I telling you?

Joe: 25:50

enlighten me if there's a course that you've played, it doesn't make you more in tune to want to watch it on tv.

Matt: 25:58

It for sure does that that doesn't make me not want to watch the other ones. No, no play it.

Joe: 26:04

No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you can go play the course, you want to watch it more because you've been there and experienced it.

Matt: 26:12

That's what I'm saying well, I'll say this if I'm going somewhere, I'm not gonna look up to see if the pga tour has played there, so I can go play that course. You know now, if it happens that, hey, we can get on that course, and that's what. Hey, okay, great.

Joe: 26:28

That's why everybody wants to go play TPC Scottsdale because the tour plays there. It's not even that great of a course but everybody wants to go play it because they can relate to that course if they've played it and you can go play it. I think the crowd, the whole the atmosphere, that's a little bit you're going to try and play where they play the Zurich, because that's the course out there. That tour plays.

Matt: 26:56

Not, really not, I mean.

Joe: 26:57

I think that's how a lot of people think. Though, if you can relate to the course Dan's fading, help me out guys Is it not more relatable If you can go play the course? It's more it's more relatable.

Matt: 27:12

But I just think it's. It's kind of a bad analogy, because you're saying that the courses that you can't play mean less to the viewership. And I don't agree with that.

Joe: 27:24

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I think if you can actually go play the course or if you've played the course, it makes it more enjoyable to watch. I enjoy watching Torrey Pines now more than ever because I've played it. So I'm going to watch Torrey Pines every year because I've been there.

Matt: 27:44

Yeah, I feel the same way about Torrey Kapalua.

Joe: 27:47

I'm not watching Wells Fargo every year because I've never been to Quail Hollow, but that's why you're not watching, then you just proved my point no no, I'm not saying. I'm not saying that's not why I'm watching. I'm saying I'm I'm going to. I'm more into watching if I've been there or if I can go there whoa, whoa adam just said the live courses are better than the PGA courses.

Matt: 28:13

Dude you're. Adam with the hot take. Adam, you're drunk, go home.

Joe: 28:18

Adam's trying to get live at Cannon Gate.

Matt: 28:20

He's trying to get live For real the shark at gregnormancom.

Joe: 28:26

Go email him bro.

Matt: 28:32

Good lord. Hey, they're in Valderrama though that's, that's impressive, that's gonna be, that'll be see, now that I've never played there, but I want to watch that because I've played it on track man and that horse goes around a volcano.

Joe: 28:50

Yeah, good lord I'm just saying if, if, if the courses are accessible and you've played it, you're more likely to watch it because you've been there or can go there.

Matt: 29:04

Yeah, but the pga tour can't rely on joe public playing all these courses as a reason why people tune in. No, I'm not saying that.

Joe: 29:11

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that they need to switch it up. It's going to happen at some point. It's going to happen at some point.

Matt: 29:18

All right, hey, I forgot to say thank you to the Golf Stop for their continued support for the show. They've had some great videos on their Instagram channel lately. Make sure to go check those out. Some got a hole-in-one the other night. It was pretty cool, uh also, uh, big thank you to scott russo from underwritten law, for uh allowing us to use the intro um, let's run, uh, let's do our ad for the the week for uh, las vegas golf superstore and we'll be right back there's something that binds us all the joy of connecting on and off the course.

Las Vegas Golf Superstore: 29:54

Get there the way a little heckle can be just the push you need. Get there A love language marked by admiration and respect. We're all bound by two words said by golfers worldwide Get there, visit us at your local Las Vegas golf superstore or shop online at worldwidegolfcom. Worldwide Golf. Get there.

Matt: 30:18

Yeah, get there All right. So back to. That was a fun debate. Thank you, joe. I like stuff like that. You're always entertaining. I want to give some love to the Paiute winners. Mr Aaron Pusey, alessandro Giampiolo, rhett Mickelson and Chris Phillips were our winners out there. Congrats to all those gents for their stellar play.

Joe: 30:44

I don't know, no, Alessandro. I know an AG, though.

Matt: 30:47

Yeah, ag photo right there, right there in the wild shirt. They're all kind of matching light blue, blue trophies, blue shirts. It's not. Uh, yeah, it's like they planned it. I was really happy with the way I played. Uh, not the first shot that was. That was a little embarrassing. It was funny, dan. Dan is last week on the show. Dan says you know, I think one thing that's changed, matt, those missed shots that you haven't. You're not having those. And so what do I do? On the first tee, cold stone topped it right into the thick of the shit. God, that was embarrassing, but but I fought back.

Joe: 31:27

You pulled through.

Matt: 31:28

I fought back, I got three birdies on the front, a couple birdies on the back five birdies in a round. I think that might be the most I've ever had in a round. I was sitting pretty at a 77. Then I just watched my name go down the leaderboard as everybody came in because a lot of people played well. A lot of people played well and you know, I think the conditions didn't get tough which allowed that to happen. But hey, you know that's what happens when you play golf Not everybody's on the course at the same time. Always Wasn't a shotgun. So we had tee times and, yeah, fell a little short. Ended up in 10th place with a 77. My best tournament round.

Joe: 32:15

So next tournament. Every everybody in the field is playing the hole at the same time. Same conditions for everybody.

Matt: 32:23

Same conditions for everybody. We're having 60 players on one t-box at uh, but uh, yeah, it was a good time. Um piute is always a great host and uh man, that bacon cheeseburger is still absolutely amazing dan had the biggest biggest salad in the, the history of salads, that thing had more protein on it, I mean good lord seriously great food out there.

Matt: 32:54

So if you, if you uh play around out there, stick around, get some food, because it's it's quite tasty. Um, next up we have uh wild horse, which is uh not this weekend but next. We got 60 players in the field and uh yeah that's gonna be another good one.

Matt: 33:11

uh, the horse is going to be a challenge for some people. I know I've got to practice around. Boyd hasn't played it yet. Me, him, daniel Gian and I can't remember who the last person is are going to play out there on Saturday morning early, and so it'll be a fun experience for Mr Boyd.

Joe: 33:32

I'm going to have to try and sneak out there post-Darden era. So I'm going to have to try and do that.

Matt: 33:39

Yeah, it's. I mean, like I said, I posted that picture you guys would know because you don't ever go on Discord, but I posted an aerial of it and the fairways are striped and you know it was looking pretty good.

Joe: 33:53

I'm a big fan of Wild Horse. I am a big fan of wild horse. I am a big fan of wild horse, and if you've never played it, you might get horsed. I don't know if there's a term yet for it, but you might get wrangled, angled or rodeoed. I don't know, but something might happen. By who is it germaine? Hermaine, hermaine hermaine yep, yeah, yeah, you might get egg battered and deep fried, you know what I mean.

Matt: 34:26

Yeah see, like joe's a local taco mexican food expert, matt's the expert after round grub after round grub are taco spots yeah, joe wouldn't eat food because he was like I'm gonna go find something somewhere else exactly which is like three robertos on the way I.

Jeremy: 34:47

I asked sean sean got uh, the tacos.

Joe: 34:49

And I was like Sean got the tacos and I was like how does the meat taste? Is it? How is it? Is it good? I asked him like five questions.

Matt: 35:02

I was like oh wait, he also said he ordered it off the kid's menu.

Dan: 35:12

You're muted, dan. I will say that the taco meat did not look quite right. It right, it looked off. Yeah, I wasn't quite sure what it was, and that's that was the most off-putting thing when you look at. When you looked at a taco meat, you wanted oh yeah, it's ground beef.

Matt: 35:23

Yeah, that's chicken, that's you know, yeah, that was kibbles and bits I was like what is that fucking hamburger helper?

Joe: 35:29

yeah, it was odd for tacos it looked like, uh like, waterlogged, waterlogged, chopped up beef jerky it looked like you guys remember.

Dan: 35:40

Yes, that is a great yes thank you.

Matt: 35:43

Thank you, yes, beef jerky sitting in water for 24 hours and then chopped the only thing would have been better if they had, like, some velveta slices on top of it yeah, for real, oh gosh, oh, I would have ran yeah, but no, hey, uh, the burger is amazing, so burgers are good at pie.

Dan: 36:05

Yeah, burgers are amazing, and the salads are good too yeah, the salads are good, it's just you know, I made for a party of four, four people.

Matt: 36:12

Good Lord. So, and then after Wild Horse, we got Sky Mountain. That's a travel event up to St George, utah. That's going to be a fun one. Then, after Sky Mountain is the last major of the year at Coyote Springs. Already have 53 people confirmed for that one, amazing, amazing. And uh, we'll wrap up the regular season at legacy in october after the overseed, looking forward to checking out that place. So, uh, vg and season midsummer coming to an end here, but still, you know, have quite, a, quite a bit of golf left.

Matt: 36:50

Um, I mean the who was it um a yeah, so uh, red, this was his second tournament. He's a new player. Um it was aaron's first win, um it was alessandro's, I think. Third, and it was chris's first win, so ag going to gross shot on ag moving up the ladder.

Joe: 37:09

That get ag going to gross shot on AG moving up the ladder.

Matt: 37:15

Did that get AG going to gross? That's hilarious. Him and Trey were battling man.

Matt: 37:20

It was fun to watch sitting there in the clubhouse as they were coming in. Alright, so let's get to Keegan. We got that done. We got that done. We got that done. Were you surprised at this? A little yeah right, a little bit I mean it. I went wow um. But then I kind of went wow, okay, yeah, um. Don't really know if it's right, you know, if he is somebody that has it in him to do this job, I guess we'll find out. I don't think anything worse can happen.

Jeremy: 38:07

It can be worse.

Matt: 38:09

Yeah, I was going to say we're only looking up, so take a risk. I mean the guy's got more passion about Team we're at. You know we're only looking up, so, uh, take a risk. I mean the guys got more passion about team america than you know team america did you guys see his like uh reaction video to how he was asked?

Joe: 38:28

he did press conference. You didn't see that no, I just heard.

Matt: 38:31

He said that he didn't know anything about it until they called him and told him he was a captain. Yeah, so I saw the press conference. You didn't see that.

Joe: 38:34

No, I just heard he said that he didn't know anything about it until they called him and told him he was a captain. Yeah, so I saw the press conference and it was kind of like I was in complete shock. I had no idea. Uh, I didn't talk to anybody, um, and he said I I kind of at first I felt bad that some of my like idols were passed up before me and I didn't know how to take it. Um, he was kind of like he said, uh, well, it's someone said it's your time to step up, and he said you're right, it's my time to step up. But he kind of felt bad that he was.

Joe: 39:14

He was like, you know, the chosen one because he felt like other people deserved it more than him. So, like that made me, that made me love it, love the pic, I think I. I think he's gonna do great because he has so much passion and netflix is writing the story of the writer cup now. I think Full Swing is in full swing of content management for the Ryder Cup because it plays directly into their show last season it should be called Full Swing Ryder Cup.

Joe: 39:47

Yeah, but I think Keegan has a ton of passion for it, which we saw on Full Swing, and I think he will do a great job. But I love how he almost felt bad for being chosen because he felt like others were passed up before he was chosen.

Matt: 40:07

Were they passed up or did? They not want to do it.

Joe: 40:09

I don't know. Last I saw was that's the $100,000 question yeah, I don't know.

Matt: 40:12

Last I saw Tiger passed it up. Tiger didn't want to do it. I don't know Last.

Joe: 40:13

I saw was that's the $100,000 question. Yeah, I don't know. Last I saw Tiger passed it up. Tiger didn't want to do it. According to Instagram, yeah. Whoever is the purveyor of Instagram.

Matt: 40:22

I could see Tiger not wanting to do it right now, though I could see that, yeah, for sure.

Joe: 40:27

I did see the video of Stewart Cink saying he was kind of disappointed he wasn't chosen, but he felt like Keegan will do a great job. I can see Stuart Sink being a co-captain for sure, because he is a sneaky motherfucker and he'll snatch a win right out your ass. You know what I mean. It'll kill your bet real quick if you didn't bet on him. That's a throwback, um, but, but yeah, I, I, I think it's a good pick and it might just be a um, a nod to the younger generation. It might be a nod to things changing.

Matt: 41:09

I don't know all right, jeremy, who did you want and just like who. No, no like deep thoughts about it, but just like who do you think would have been a great choice.

Joe: 41:17

Jordan Spieth.

Jeremy: 41:22

I don't even know, I have no idea. Dan, dan, I mean Phil, but that wouldn't have happened.

Dan: 41:36

You're on mute, dan, dan. Sorry, I have a cough so I've been putting the mic on mute but yeah, man I don't know, I don't know who I'd want in there. It's a tough choice. I'm okay with yeah.

Matt: 41:48

Freddie's going to be a perennial because how well he does with the American, with the President's Cup.

Dan: 41:55

Yeah, they could have gone like a Davis Love route or some shit like that too, but I think Keegan's a nice pick. I mean that guy's got fire in his belly and he literally got robbed, so maybe he's going to turn this into a little bit of a motivational thing. Like you know what, you guys didn't take me last time, when you should have. You got your ass handed to you. Now I'm going to show you how to go out there and win this fucking thing.

Joe: 42:20

That's how I do it. Yeah, totally, yep.

Jeremy: 42:25

Exactly.

Joe: 42:26

You think?

Dan: 42:29

he's going to play.

Joe: 42:31

I thought that he's got to get his game in form.

Dan: 42:34

You know Tiger was a playing captain at the president's cup. But you know it just depends on if Keegan gets his game back in shape or not.

Joe: 42:43

Yeah, I don't think he will.

Matt: 42:45

I would love to see a playing captain, Cause you know you have so many people with you to assist and help.

Joe: 42:51

I think that he's going to. He's going to work his ass off to try and qualify as a player. That way he can choose himself. I don't think if he's outside of the. You know the nomination not the, not the 10, he's not gonna. He's not gonna choose himself he's not gonna pick himself.

Matt: 43:09

No, no, no he'll.

Joe: 43:10

But if he's in, he will play that's how I feel like, yeah, and I think he's gonna work his ass off to try and get to there there's gonna, there's some.

Matt: 43:22

Uh, golf has got some amazing talent up and coming. You know, everybody talks about the good people left for live, but I mean these young kids that are coming up, I'm just unreal talent. The amateur, that too. He had back-to-back top 10s. That was amazing. Um, that, that 15 year old kid a couple weeks ago is just he's gonna be a stud. Um, gordon sarge, I mean there's so many up-and-comers coming, up-and-comers coming.

Dan: 43:53

I read that that Luke Clanton kid is the betting favorite this week.

Matt: 43:58

Are you serious? Is he playing in the Scottish Open?

Dan: 44:04

No, what's the other event?

Matt: 44:06

Oh, they're playing an opposite field event, aren't they? Yeah, is there two opposite?

Dan: 44:10

fields, I think so I could have swore that I said after his second place finish they said something like he's now the betting favorite going into this week. Wow, I just don't know for what event it was.

Matt: 44:25

It's got to be an opposite field. I didn't know if they did one for the Scottish, but maybe he's playing Corn Fairy.

Dan: 44:33

It's the ISCO championship. The one at Keen Trace Is that Corn Fairy. No, it's PGA Tour. July 11th or the 14th is the opposite. One of the Scottish, Scottish yeah.

Matt: 44:52

Yeah, since everybody's going to be there Makes sense. It was nice We'll get some late-night golf. Haven't had that in a while.

Joe: 45:03

Waking up at 2 am.

Matt: 45:06

I'm up at 5 anyway, so just miss a little bit.

Joe: 45:08

Maybe, I'll get up at 4.30 instead.

Matt: 45:12

But then we got the Open Championship the following week VGN Tournament. I'm going to Boston, philly and DC.

Dan: 45:22

Your cousin from Boston. Yeah it's right there. Sorry, matt, but Luke Clinton, he's plus 1,000 right now. Wow. I don't know if you can see this or not.

Matt: 45:37

Lucky that Wow.

Joe: 45:40

That's great Good for him.

Matt: 45:43

Is that Thor Bjornsson in second there? Yeah, that's another college kid that just came out, mm-hmm Wow.

Dan: 45:52

Yeah, that's crazy, so much talent, so much talent.

Matt: 45:57

Uh, let's see what's uh the poll. I don't know if anybody saw that the poll result. I don't want to end the poll. Uh, 75 say yes right now.

Joe: 46:05

Um yes, for what? Uh, it was keegan the right choice I.

Matt: 46:09

I didn't make a I just I just have. Uh, you know this, go go vote in the poll. In the poll is keegan the right choice, yeah I think it'll be fine, yeah I don't know if it's the right choice, but I think it's a good choice.

Dan: 46:24

It's a good choice.

Matt: 46:25

Yeah, if he wins, or if the team wins, let me rephrase that not him, if the team wins. It was a right choice.

Joe: 46:33

What's funny is like if he wins, is he the captain again because he's younger. So it's like is this a new age? Are they trying to create a new age of captains, or I think I think if they win that, yeah he's gonna.

Dan: 46:51

He's gonna have his name in the hat again for the next one.

Matt: 46:55

Yeah, I like going younger. I like because he's kind of that in-between right now between the old KG guys that are playing the last couple years of their careers, the guys that have been around for 10, 15 years and the young kids, I think he can collectively resonate with all three of those groups where I don't think zach johnson did that very well no, yeah, I don't think so either.

Matt: 47:22

So, see, but there's some big names I need to step it up. I mean, we got a year. Got a year, yeah, yeah to get our shit all right.

Joe: 47:30

Best page black. It's gonna be sick. Oh, hopefully when we're in New York, because we're going to be right by there for the wedding. I hope I can get on. I'm going to have to sleep out in a fucking tent and a sleeping bag, but I'm going to try and play it when we're up there in September.

Matt: 47:48

Are you going to play it from the back? Tees, fuck yeah.

Joe: 47:53

I don't care about score. You know that I'm playing it where.

Matt: 47:58

Clearly based on Paiute.

Joe: 47:59

Yeah, I don't care. Ouch, you care about score.

Matt: 48:07

Well, I'm kind of on a heater right now, so it's kind of important to me right now. Yeah, because you care, I care yeah, absolutely I do.

Joe: 48:16

I want to care I don't think my handicap's going up quick enough, honestly that's because you don't post scores, joe.

Matt: 48:23

That's why it happened.

Joe: 48:24

I have been, yes, I have been, because I've been playing like shit all right, do I do?

Matt: 48:30

I need to do this right now? I looked at it the other day. It may have fallen off, but I think Chambers Bay was still on your list of scores that were counted towards your handicap.

Joe: 48:40

That was last July, I'm serious. It was July last year or something like that.

Matt: 48:50

Let's see Shout out Liv playing Chambers Bay next year let's go December 27th last year or something like that.

Joe: 48:52

Let's see joe keith the last shout out live playing chambers bay.

Matt: 48:54

Next year, let's go so december, december 27th, what is the last round on your list? So you posted that and then you have uh, four in january also katie went back to work, so I'm not playing as much golf as I used to in march, a couple in april I'm playing every other week now yeah because you know, I'm a dad and I gotta be here for my children good for you makes me happy to hear you say that, as

Dan: 49:30

is, as anybody asking for a tea time.

Joe: 49:32

It's like let me find a babysitter hey but I'm playing, I'm about to play. I'm about to play like 47 rounds between august 3rd and august 6th, so let's go yeah, I told I was telling the.

Matt: 49:44

Uh, I think I was telling rob. I said I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna post a 90 at every round at bandon, just not really going up there to shoot scores, just gonna go have a really good time. But I think I'm going to shoot a 90 every round just to help me out at the end of the season.

Joe: 50:00

See, that might be what fucks me up, because when I'm up there I'm just free and I'm just like I've been known. I've only been up there twice, but I play well up there because I'm just so, I'm happy. You know, I'm happy to be there and I'm just he's not happy with us.

Joe: 50:22

No, no, no, I'm no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I'm like free from work. You know I'm free from obligations and you know I just can just be my true like soul golfer self. You know, like I'm there to play golf and I'm just, I'm just happy to be there and I'm not worried about making a birdie, I'm not worried about, you know, making a score, I'm just, I'm just playing, I'm in, I'm, I'm, I'm in free mode, I'm in. What does Bryson call it? What's that state that he says? That's where you are, because you're there to golf, you're just there to play, you're there to scoff.

Matt: 51:08

Mute, mute, mute, mute, mute. You missed it. What'd you say?

Dan: 51:13

He's just living. Yeah, l-i-v he's just living.

Matt: 51:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true, yeah, man hey, we got some, uh, some nice uh, vinyl cdp stickers got done. Thank you, miles, for helping us uh, facilitate these. So, um, if you're here, if you're here in town and you want one of these, reach out, let me know. I'm not mailing these. I'm not gonna do what joe did and spend 75 and shipping for a 10 cent trinket. But, um, yeah, if you want one of these, hit me up.

Joe: 51:44

Bro, you can put that in an envelope and throw a stamp on it. That's 30 cents stamps are like 90 cents now serious no, they're no, they're not oh they're like 50 right yeah, it's.

Matt: 51:57

It's ridiculous, I know I do. I bought a book. I bought a hundred yesterday and I I can't remember how much it was, because I couldn't even tell you the last time I put a stamp on anything.

Jeremy: 52:06

I know, right I bought forever stamps in like 1999, so i'm'm, I'm set.

Matt: 52:12

Yeah, we did that a while ago. Just had graduation so had to send out. The graduation now meant announcements had to send out. You know the thank you letters now, so we went through all our stamps.

Joe: 52:30

Yeah, If you're in town, you want one of these, let me know, and if you're not in town, maybe I don't even have one yet Cause you left.

Matt: 52:36

You don't want to guys. I need that logo.

Jeremy: 52:38

We need that logo on a new era hat yes On a billboard.

Matt: 52:42

A billboard, yeah, right next to Glenn Lerner.

Joe: 52:48

Yeah, on the Valley high billboard.

Matt: 52:51

Yeah, that would be amazing. The Tiesta one, yeah.

Joe: 52:54

This place is overpriced.

Matt: 52:56

CDP-ranked Valley High 35th. That would be amazing. Oh Too funny. We'll have to get. Who is Donovan Donovan? Wasn't he in uh billboards? Wasn't he in signage? Um, yeah, I think so yeah, I have to reach out to him and say, hey, we need this somewhere.

Matt: 53:22

Yeah, that'd be amazing, so that'd be cool uh, you guys got anything else you want to chat about? Oh, I got my. Uh, my final two la gp golf shafts will be here tomorrow. That will complete my set from a driver all the way through. Putter Got the the DJ fairway woods coming for my three and my five Super excited about those. I know I'm going to be using that three with a lot at wild horse. So, yeah, looking forward to seeing what that does, and also with that five wood. I don't I have the big tax red in that and I'm just I mean it's nice but looking forward to seeing how these do so.

Matt: 54:07

Joe, how did you hit the three iron at all?

Joe: 54:10

I did a few times at a piute. Um, two times didn't work too well. Third time worked really good. So I just need more time with it. So, because it it is, it's stiffer than it, than the stamp, so I just got to feel it out a little more, figure it out. But yeah, I hit my, I hit my three iron as far as Plummer did his driver off the deck so felt good about that. Whoa.

Matt: 54:43

What hole did he DOD on.

Joe: 54:46

What was that? 15 is the island right? So 13? Oh, really yeah.

Matt: 54:56

Why do you go? Oh well, yeah, I guess, guess I talked him into it kind of.

Joe: 55:00

So not his fault, but my, probably my influence.

Matt: 55:06

So, coach matt plumber, if you want to get financially free, hit him up oh he was talking mad shit about your skittle golf ball collection he didn't fucking know what he's talking about, bro.

Joe: 55:23

He didn't know. I hit a yellow, I hit a white ball in that hole the whole time. It was all white that whole time. Maybe that's why because I don't play white balls often, but yeah, he was throwing some fucking shit at the wall and did not stick.

Matt: 55:43

You need to stop having all these adulting obligations so you can go get some new golf balls.

Joe: 55:53

I know I need to go. I haven't been able to go yet.

Matt: 55:56

Yeah, and pay your entry fees and stop worrying about breaks and AC and all that stuff.

Joe: 56:02

Yeah, yeah, it's been a rough month or two.

Matt: 56:06

You know it's bad when Joe's playing white golf balls.

Joe: 56:09

Yeah, that's when you know.

Jeremy: 56:13

As soon as we start seeing vice balls, we might need to pitch in a little bit I've got a collection here of white golf balls that you can go through too, bro.

Matt: 56:22

They're, they're, they're in good shape.

Joe: 56:23

So hey, look out when I start playing logo balls.

Jeremy: 56:27

That's when it's really bad you start seeing spots behind in that thing, behind you you start playing spots for cell farm go ahead and go back a road logo.

Joe: 56:38

Balls I'm getting rid of yeah, that's what you're talking about, the clearance selection no, that's when it's really bad, bro, that's when it's really bad. Yeah, don't ever do that don't ever do that.

Matt: 56:52

I've got so many golf balls in the closet oh, that's hilarious I thought you were in that golf galaxy going yo, you got any logo balls man, you got any logo balls? Talk about that. Oh, right here, here it is. Yes, yes, yes 100%. Dan Tough Asian LA Wedge Shas for your new SM10s. Yes, they are absolutely amazing.

Joe: 57:17

You're going to see Matt on Q qbc soon. This is slang in latp I got that.

Matt: 57:24

I got my. I found my banner cleaning out the garage. Oh, I don't know if you guys saw those videos that I posted, but I I found a a seven iron, a wilson cb7 iron that had fallen behind the shelf. That that was hilarious. I found my zero stamp that I didn't even realize it was gone. That was, oh man. So no more of that happening. I've remedied that situation. The garage is set up really good right now to knock out some work. I got a seven iron shaft coming, coming for kevin forness. He's gonna throw one in one of his mirrors and, uh, give it a try. Um, so, yeah, it's. We're making better golfers here in vegas out at the garage. So, so, yeah. So yeah, hit me up for lagp, let's go all right. Anything else, joe, you got anything.

Joe: 58:23

Jeremy, you mulling over anything I'm rolling a little bit oh, he's all in he's mulling sounds like a seinfeld episode. Let's go.

Matt: 58:32

Haven't had a mulling, a mulling for a while so this this is something Joe mentioned.

Jeremy: 58:37

Of course he's the don't care about score golfer, so when you go to a place like Bandon I know everyone's so tired of hearing about Bandon, but Never. It's just exciting.

Joe: 58:50

If you're tired to hear about Bandon, you're not a friend of mine.

Matt: 58:55

You're not a fan of the show.

Jeremy: 58:58

So if you go when you cause, I haven't been to a lot of like destination experience golf trips, so, and I can, I'm kind of thinking like Trey. I'm thinking how Trey will be, and Bob, who maybe they don't necessarily play for score, but I think a lot of us maybe play for, to play our best sort of how do you balance the experience with trying to play well or can you joe, you want to go why don't you go first, dan?

Matt: 59:36

Yeah, this could turn into a long.

Dan: 59:39

Well, that's a very good question actually, jay, but I don't know, it's just one of those places that you just kind of got to soak it all in. Even if you don't play well, even if you're trying to play well, you still got to soak in where you're at. You still got to soak in the people you're trying to play well, like you still gotta soak in where you're at. You still gotta soak in the, the people you're with, the architecture, just the specialness of that place. And I know it sounds like cheesy as shit, but it's kind of true, it's true. Um, yeah, you either gotta it's almost like you gotta you kind of gotta pick one either to try to play really well at all the golf courses, or are you just going to be like you know what? This is my first time here I'm going to soak it in, I'm going to just have some fun, I'm going to be, you know, have a blast with my guys, and then maybe the second or third time I come back out here, you know, I'll worry about playing better.

Dan: 1:00:37

I don't think there's any right answer to that question, especially in particular with Bandon Dunes, just the place itself. But yeah, man, it's hard. I mean, it's just it's kind of like Joe said, you know, when he goes out there and plays like he plays his best out there, there's just, maybe there's just something about being in tune with those kind of vibes that bandit provides and uh, I don't know, I've always played pretty well there. Um, it's not, they're not difficult courses. Um, they're pretty, pretty generous as far as fairways go. Um, there's no rough.

Dan: 1:01:16

Yeah, there's no rough I mean there is some, a few spots where you can get in the trees, out at uh, out on trails, and a little bit of the gorse, bushes and stuff they have there, but that's really about it. That's really the only course you like possibly like lose a ball on the rest of them. It's just, you know, you got this expansive huge fairway and these rolling hills everywhere and just just put it out there and let it roll where it rolls. You know, because you're not going to get a shitty line in the rough, you're not. You don't really have to worry about losing your ball. So it's uh, yeah, that's a really good question, jay, but um, but uh, but yeah, that would be. I don't even know if I answered it or not, but you know, but that's what you got to do. You're either going to try to soak it in the first time and play well the next time, or you're just going to try to play your ass off and kind of forget about where you're at. So I don't know.

Jeremy: 1:02:11

I think what Rob said I think is correct in my view.

Matt: 1:02:17

Embrace the experience. Yep, so I've the. The first time I went I was by myself and I was just kind of soaking it all in. I really didn't care what I shot. Um, then, the other times that I've gone it's been with a solstice, so it was a lot of just screwing around, having fun checking out the place. Is that you know cause? We played Emerald Valley one time. We played uh Eugene country club. One time. Joe and I played uh diamond. What was it called Diamond?

Joe: 1:02:46

woods, diamond valley, I think, or diamond woods.

Matt: 1:02:50

Um, you know, and then played Bannock crossings one time. So, uh, outside of the solstice, it was just enjoying the time, um, and then the solstice, it was just enjoying the time, um, and then the solstice, you know you're, it's such a different experience because you're just it's, it's a marathon and you're just looking to get to that finish line, um, so the golf can be kind of a little distracting for what's going on. You don't really get to soak it all in as much as you thought you'd be able to because you know it's it's go, go, go, go go. You're not reading putts, you're walking up and just putting it and I've never, ever, putted well abandoned, ever.

Matt: 1:03:32

So I'm looking forward to playing where I can chill and kind of read the greens and try to play good golf without having the pressure of, hey, let's go, let's go, let's go. We've got to finish in three hours because we've got to get on the next course. So that's what I'm looking forward to, not really trying to go out there to shoot personal best or anything like that. Just like Rob said, embrace the moment, embrace the camaraderie that we're going to have, having, I think, seven other guys that I'm incredibly close with on this trip. They're just going to make it such a memorable experience and if good golf happens, awesome. If shitty golf happens, I'm still going to have a absolute blast because, uh, after the round the conversations are going to be incredible, hearing what the the new guys have to say about walking around the courses for the first time, afterwards hanging out, and it's just going to be incredible.

Matt: 1:04:24

So I wouldn't worry too much about your play just just do you and uh, you know you're going to hit some amazing shots you're never going to forget. You're going to hit some shots that you hope you forget right away.

Jeremy: 1:04:38

Yeah, and let me say something quick before, cause I want to get Joe's thoughts. So for me, when I play golf, I whether I whether you guys know or not I try to compare myself to how someone else is playing. Like, if I play with Dan a lot, I kind of know his game I sort of compare and try to play well against not against Dan, but with Dan or Trey or Bob, and I've only ever played with them in rounds where they play well and I'm trying to play well. So for this time it's not going to be about maybe playing well, it's more about the experience. So I was just thinking how how do I go there expecting to play well? You know what I mean Because, again, it's the first time.

Matt: 1:05:22

You're a good golfer, so yeah, expect to play well because you're a good golfer. It's not different, the game's still the same, it's just. The course that's out in front of you is just incredible.

Matt: 1:05:37

The course that's out in front of you is just incredible, and it's a unique experience, that one you'll be able to experience with us. You'll be able to visualize it, you'll be able to see it, you'll be able to remember it, but you're also going to be able to test your skills against Lynx Golf that you've. You know, you said you know. You said you've never played links golf right.

Jeremy: 1:06:04

Yeah, never. Yeah. And I it's not that I've always been driven a golfer that's driven by score, it's always been uh, do I perform to my ability? Um, and I told Joe this and he's just like, and I told him maybe I'm going up there and I'll have a life changing, like my perspective will change on golf, which maybe that's what I need, because I've always been not about the score, but whether I played well or whether I played how I feel like I should have played. So I'm trying to. You know what I mean? It's. It's a weird, it's a weird topic, but for me, I want to make sure I enjoy Bandon and not be the old Jeremy where I because I don't want to care about score, but it's always been an important thing to me because that's sort of the grade that you get at the end of how you played, sort of in a way, bob driving us there is going to scare all that out of you, so don't worry about it.

Matt: 1:06:56

Very true.

Joe: 1:07:02

Uh-oh, here we go. So I get, I understand what you're saying right, but you are. You're about to face conditions that you've never played on terrain that you've never experienced. It is very firm. The greens are not perfect. They are not, you know. They're not shadow creek greens, rolled at 14. They are bumpy and they're along the ocean's edge and you'll get a good break and a bad break and I am a firm believer that bandit will give you what you need. I've said this for a long time If you need to play well, bandon will give that to you. If you need to play bad to understand it, bandon will give that to you. So you have to understand anything that's going on in you internally, like it is a spiritual place. All the courses are very different and if you can go in without expectations and understanding it is as an experience with your friends you will come out a better person in the end.

Joe: 1:08:17

It is not about good golf. It is about playing some of the best golf without worrying about score that you ever will in your life. It's about creating moments. It's about being on the edge of the ocean and understanding the vastness beyond you to the West and understanding the closest thing to you is Hawaii. It is a walk undiscovered that you will find.

Joe: 1:08:54

It's my favorite place in the world and Matt told me my first time before going. I was worried and I was asking all these questions and I'm telling you, like Matt told me, he's like don't worry about it, you're gonna love it and nothing else will matter except the moment while you were there. You're gonna love it. Don't get too excited on the courses. Just understand that you're going with some of your closest golf homies to a place that a lot of people will never get to and a place where we had to book in fucking a year and a half ago because it's. It's a place that is it on the fucking side of oregon and you have to drive two and a half hours, where we're driving five hours, but it's not easy to get to and it is a. It is a pilgrimage and you will love it. Don't worry about your score. Don't worry about because you're you're going to face conditions like you've never played. Okay, it it's about the time spent at one of the coolest places you'll ever see.

Matt: 1:10:06

You're going to have a tougher time deciding what to get at the gift shops than on the golf course. And also if you shoot 110,.

Joe: 1:10:14

None of us are judging you. Oh, I will judge you 100% if you shoot 110. None of us are judging you.

Matt: 1:10:20

I will judge you 100% if you shoot 110.

Joe: 1:10:23

Matt might there's no way you're shooting 110 so if you shoot 110, he's not going to. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that's where score doesn't matter. If you shoot 110, none of us are going to judge you in any way. That's what I'm saying. I'm not worried about judgment it's more of a personal hey, you're not breaking any records abandoned, so who cares?

Matt: 1:10:50

enjoy yourself while you're there, because oh I think we should find out the course records and see how many guys can go after them, because you know, with trade who knows the next time you're going to be there, who knows the next time you'll ever be there?

Joe: 1:11:02

That's my thing, like when I booked this trip a year and a half ago, I was downstairs pacing out and I started crying because I'm like, who knows, dude, seriously, seriously, it's my favorite place in the world. Like, literally, it's the favorite, my favorite place I the world. Like, literally, it's the favorite, my favorite place. I've ever been. This in yours and this could be our last trip to Bandon, because who knows what's going to happen tomorrow. Very true, seriously. So enjoy it while you're there, like that's the attitude.

Matt: 1:11:32

I'm going into Wild Horse on Saturdays could be last time I play it it's true.

Jeremy: 1:11:36

It's true very beautifully put Wild Horse on Saturday.

Joe: 1:11:43

This could be the last time I play it, it's true. It's true, very beautifully put.

Matt: 1:11:45

No, jeremy you're going to be fine. Yeah, you're going to love it, you're going to be fine.

Joe: 1:11:48

You're a golfer, you'll be fine. It's going to hit you right here. You're going to change, bro. You're going to be a different person. Yep, hey, and Scotty D. You're gonna change, bro, you're gonna be a different person. Yeah, hey, and scotty d is gonna buy it. This guy's gonna buy, buy the shack that's on wild horse number six and just live out there, and he's gonna be a greenskeeper. Oh wow, no internet connection, just rolling greens yeah, I had a I'm so excited.

Matt: 1:12:27

I'm so excited I had a conversation a couple days ago with scotty d. Uh, he's got a loop on saturday morning at pebble and then he's gonna be heading up and so he will uh be on property, uh, while we're up there. So he will be on property while we're up there, so it'll be fun to hang out with him. And yeah man, good times are coming.

Dan: 1:12:45

Good times are coming remember when we used to joke about oh, you know, ben is going to be here in 500 days. We have 500 days.

Matt: 1:12:57

And now it's what? 21 days, 24 days, 24.

Dan: 1:13:01

25 today.

Matt: 1:13:02

So yeah, we're going to get 24.

Joe: 1:13:06

I ran into one of the dads at daycare today and he's like what's up, man, how you doing? I was like just counting down the days and I said 24 days, said 24 days to ban.

Matt: 1:13:17

He's like, oh, fuck you so jealous ah, there's gonna be a lot of people that are upset yeah, oh it's gonna be fantastic.

Joe: 1:13:28

Man can't wait.

Matt: 1:13:30

It's gonna be one for the books hell yeah, 80 people said on the poll that Keegan was the right choice and that poll. Thank everybody who voted in that Mucho apreciado. Yeah, 80%, yes, 20%. No, we'll find out. All right, joe, I don't know if we need to wrap it up after that. That was great, great question, jeremy. You need to come with more of these. Yeah, it's been a while, been a while. So all right, joe, wrap it up, let's get out of here yo, thanks for tuning in.

Joe: 1:14:08

Chasing daylight podcast, episode 283 correct, yep, correct. It's been a long time. Uh, we'll see you next week for another episode. Always live Tuesday nights at 830 pm Pacific Standard Time on Instagram and YouTube. Tell your friends, tell your wife and your burrito dealer we're here for you. You.