Navigating the Whirlpool of Office Rumors and Workplace Gossip

Ever wondered why you can't resist a juicy piece of office gossip? How a simple suggestion can spin into a scandalous rumor that reaches the CEO’s office? Brace yourselves, because in our latest episode, we dive headfirst into the whirlpool of office rumors and workplace gossip. Tune in for an exciting, humorous, and insightful exploration of gossip and its impacts. We unravel the most scandalous pieces of workplace chatter, from senior employees falling for phishing attacks to secretive car park activities. We also consider how these rumors can create ripples across power dynamics and personal lives in a professional setting.

What happens when a misunderstood suggestion turns into a rumor about the supervisor fuming over cameras being placed around the warehouse? Or when a simple candle from a bathroom in Ibiza spirals into wild tales about Mark always travelling with candles? Our discussion takes unexpected turns as we take you through the misunderstandings and misinterpretations that fuel the office grapevine. We have a good laugh at stories from warehouses to oil and gas contracts. However, we also delve into the serious side of gossip - the role it plays in relationships and its deep-rooted existence in human evolution.

No one likes to be the last to hear a rumor, but being a passive participant in the exchange of rumors can have severe implications. We shed light on this in the final part of our conversation, where we discuss how rumors can shape perceptions and the need to understand their sources. We also consider the potential of using gossip to benefit our podcast and come up with a unique take on how to navigate it all. So, get ready for an amusing, intriguing, and enlightening journey about gossip and its impacts. Don't miss it!

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hey man, I might just use the bathroom. They're like Mark's taking a shit in the parking lot.

Speaker 2: 0:03

What, what? I just Hello everyone and welcome back to this new episode of the Needlemore Podcast. Today we're talking about office rumors and how do we go around them.

Speaker 1: 0:20

OK. So, as per usual, I've got a story to start us with. This one's not so much a story as multiple responses to a thread on Reddit, which is what is the juiciest piece of gossip you have at your work right now? Let's find out what they are. Ok, so one that the head of our cybersecurity team fell for a phishing attack which resulted in a major security breach. Oh shit, One drop. Oh, he had one job. Literally, I like imagine the email is one of the comments. Want to learn more about cybersecurity? Click on the link now. Oh my god. Ok, so at my last job, they had a large company meeting. Leave your credit card details here and this man's like oh, of course that's the wildest of all the jobs you have to do. That's the so OK. Next one At my last job they had a large company meeting talking about phishing and scams and a more senior employee said the junior staff needs to be more careful. Our IT head said actually it's all the old senior employees who have been falling for it. That's one thing. The boomers can't complain about the younger gen four. Again, I don't think people know what they mean when they say rumor. That's just facts. The IT confirmed it. A guy at work was found to have an only fans. He started doing things with some customers. That's a rumor. That's a rumor. It sucks that it's probably a. And now? But the comments? They decided to say that this guy was a veteran veterinarian and the customers were the animals, which is weird, scary implication, but, by the way, it's not.

Speaker 2: 2:00

It's gossip, right? So gossip can be true or false. True, so it's the things that just happened, right? Yeah, it could be things that happen, it could be things that are fake, it could be rumors or it could be actual facts.

Speaker 1: 2:13

Let's check this one out then. Not me, my job is boring, but my husband? That's a weird sentence. That's literally not me. So it's about her there, the OP's husband. He has a co-worker who has a boyfriend that also works with them. She has a picture of her boyfriend on her computer monitor. Well, apparently she's also been sleeping with another co-worker. The one she's having the affair with doesn't know. She was dating the other guy and has been asking everyone why she has a picture of him at her computer. That's going to blow up. Ok, couple that were dating were having sex in the parking lot after work. Two other guys who got fired were doing coke off the dashboard of their car while on lunch break Security cameras caught that one. Another couple were caught in the parking lot giving oral and got caught by a CEO. At a company picnic. A manager got drunk and belligerent, went out to the parking lot and started pissing on people's cars. He did not get fired because he agreed to go to rehab per the company's orders.

Speaker 2: 3:13

My job has great luck with parking lots, I guess Also you know what I need to make sure At least the car has got cleaned right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:21

But I also realized I need to make sure, whatever I get caught doing anything bad, I'm just like I'll go to rehab. They're like, sir, you're pissing on me, I'll go to rehab, just let me. Let me live.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Hey, man, it could open up like a whole new set of jobs. You know there's people that pay good money for golden showers.

Speaker 1: 3:37

But do their cars, though that is a whole niche by itself. Right, I'll pee in your. I'll pee in your rooms. I'll make them green rooms. Previous employer want to file a case against me for working at my current employer. He insisted that what I did is break in the contract I signed. He's saying this while not paying for benefits and mandatory we should have the last three years. Fuck you, lucy. Eat shit, damn. Ok, I'm going to do two more and then I'll tell you about some gossip that was in my previous workplace.

Speaker 2: 4:06

Ok, I can give you my gossip myself, if you want.

Speaker 1: 4:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The head of one of our free departments got two other workers fired when they went to HR about his drug addiction being not only dangerous for the company but the safety of other workers. They were fired immediately and department head was asked to not come in too high anymore. Wow, too high? They said. Why are you snitching Snitches? Get stitches Fired. The ones who snitched and just said hey, man, calm down, that's wild. I did not expect that to be the end. Ok, last one. Let's see if this worthwhile Management level is getting great bonuses while the rest of us are getting shafted so they can keep their bonuses. Basically, they aren't raising wages on any non-essential positions and we're being bled dry. Collapse of our business is imminent, with many 20-plus year employees considering leaving. We are having record earnings, like crazy, and same profits. Nobody in management seems to care. We can barely keep the doors open and barely function. That is a rumor I hear a lot in different companies.

Speaker 2: 5:08

To be fair, so let me tell you about mine, right. First job as a manager, I'm in the warehouse and I've assigned the first set of overtime shifts. There is something I've noticed, however. The thing I notice is that we always have to work in Paris, so you can't just give overtime to one person, you have to give overtime to two people. That's from a health and safety perspective, just in case someone falls ill. And so I was like how can a smart house manager save money on this? And I thought, hmm, you know, if I wanted to try and increase safety a little bit, maybe what I could do is put a couple of mirrors around the corner of the warehouse, right? So if one walks in one area, the other walks in the other area, they can keep an eye on each other, so that if someone, let's say, falls sick, falls on the floor, faints, et cetera, you can see it. I've made that suggestion to one person, just thinking they deal with it loud. I was feeling quite good about this. For like a whole five minutes Give it three hours. The rumor, or that suggestion went around the whole warehouse. Yeah To the supervisor that works for me. He comes to me fuming, f-ing and blinding, saying you are not going to put fucking cameras around the warehouse. I was like what, what are you talking about? Like seriously, like pause a second. You want to put cameras around the workplace. You want to be checking on us, you want to see, like, how much we're working. That's unacceptable, it's against the EU law. And I was like hey, man, what are you talking about exactly? And it turns out it was a bunch of. Is the game called Chinese Whispers?

Speaker 1: 6:50

You're not supposed to say that anymore. They're yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:54

Is it called the telephone game?

Speaker 1: 6:56

It's not yeah, something like that. But I understand what you're talking about is, yeah, whispers, let's just call them the whispers.

Speaker 2: 7:02

The whispers. The whispers went around the office and somehow it changed from me wanting to put a mirror up for health and safety purposes for when people do overtime, all the way to me putting six cameras around the warehouse so that I can check on people and see how much work they're doing and I can monitor them on my screen. I love that it exploded.

Speaker 1: 7:21

This always tends to happen where it's like oh yeah, hey, man, I might just use the bathroom. They're like Mark's taking a shit in the parking lot. What? Where did I say this? Well, you're standing near the window, so I figured you was going to go outside, and well, things tend to grow from that. That's exactly what happens, I swear to God. To be honest, I've had rumors. I can't remember any like that, because that seems like the ones where at least reach back to you, because sometimes you don't get to hear what happened. Right, you just know people are looking at you like you're fucking filthy.

Speaker 2: 7:52

I hate your guts. Well, it's interesting, right? So that's interesting, that observation, because the rumor didn't actually come to me directly right away. It only came up to me because I noticed the supervisor was being well pissy. It was well annoyed. I was like you know, mate, what's wrong with you, what is going on?

Speaker 1: 8:12

And then he blurred out everything that he had in his mind.

Speaker 2: 8:15

Yeah, exactly. But otherwise, if I hadn't addressed it, that rumor or let's call it like juicy gossip, because by that time it was juicy gossip would have gone all the way to the publishing director and gotten no small conversation over the head with them.

Speaker 1: 8:28

Oh my, God I don't have the ones in work, okay. Okay, I've had rumors in my previous jobs where, okay, when I worked in oil and gas, there was a rumor where in our contracts we were going to be drug tested, right, and so you just never knew when. And if you knew me in that time, I was scared to go to Amsterdam, I was scared to do anything because I was like it didn't happen at any time. And then the rumors that would go around was that, like, there was a Scotland office and that's where, like oil and gas in the UK is like the hub, right, and they said they tested people there and everyone was positive for cocaine. They were just like everyone was positive for cocaine there and they had to fire every single person. And there was too many people.

Speaker 2: 9:13

They didn't even go Amsterdam, they went straight to the heavyweights.

Speaker 1: 9:15

Literally they were, but that was like the head office. So then they were like well, we can't get rid of everyone, we just have to get rid of key offenders. So they must have given a bligh like a pass to the people who'd done weed. I was like this is too strong, how can so many people be doing cocaine? But again, this is a rumor. I only heard this with the mill. I don't know if it was true, but it had me nervous as shit Cause I was like, oh no, I can't do any drugs forever. So there was one trip I took to Amsterdam. People like you want to get involved in this is like no man, I want my job for now. I just need to stay employed.

Speaker 2: 9:45

I can imagine you like going to a coffee place is like, okay, can I have a coffee, can I have the lovely brownie? And then the brownie comes over to you and then you ask about six times has he got anything special in here?

Speaker 1: 10:00

I'm scared they'll swap it out and be like now it does no, no, no, no, no, I can't get fired. I was so scared for the whole time. It's probably driven to why I don't like use anything that much now, because I'm all right, all, because I'm just like you never know they be testing us. You never know.

Speaker 2: 10:14

But they're watching me.

Speaker 1: 10:16

So there was a rumor this one was funny when I went on holiday so not even work related and this one came back around to me and it was funny how it happened. So I went to Ibiza with my friends and while we were there I went to the biggest room and it just so happened that in like the walking closet area of it, there was a candle there, and so I was like cool, the bathroom, because it was on suite, that everyone came in and would use because there was like two bathrooms in the place, so I'd let everyone use it. I took that candle, put it in the bathroom because we didn't have air freshener, and I'd like it and be like fuck it, there's a candle, it can make the room smell nice. Who gives a shit? Now people make comments about the candle and I was like yeah, it's fucking candles. While that this candle was here, right, I literally say this. I come back and months go by and then I'm talking to my friends and I think I've done this on a podcast that we never released where they were like hey man, hey Mark, do you always travel with candles? And I was like what the fuck are you on about? The candle was there and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, the one you brought. I was like I did not bring a candle, this candle was already in the place. They're like it's too late now, mark. We've told everyone, and they were telling me how they would justify it. They'd be like, oh yeah, mark would travel with a candle and he'd light it and it makes sense because he travels so much. So I just assumed it was his. And they told so many people this without asking me hey, is that your candle that I'm known as candle mark? I have never traveled with a fucking candle in my life, but it's too late now. I might start doing it. It's over for me.

Speaker 2: 11:51

This expends a lot, mark, actually, because Mark and I just came back from a stag do and in the bathroom downstairs of the Airbnb there was about six candles. Now I know that they came from you. Thank you for admitting it. I will destroy you.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Also, I never even touched that goddamn bathroom. I just come and put it in other people's head. This is the word. It's not even too bad, but it's like people, because once I corrected them, you know how a lie will spread a thousand miles before the rumor even gets attached to the truth. They're not even correcting it. They're like it's too late. Now, Mark, you need to own up and just accept the fact that you're candle mark now.

Speaker 2: 12:23

I think you kind of deserve it, though. I think you deserve it because you 100% deserve it, and the reason why you deserve it is because once upon a time in my second year of uni, I went through a traumatic experience of being broken into my house and my laptop was stolen. Some money was stolen they stole your candles and the perfumes were stolen, and this dick on the other side of the microphone. It keeps telling people that people broke into my house and all the store was my perfumes, my half empty perfumes. So I think this is payback and I think you deserve it.

Speaker 1: 12:58

Firstly, the fact that the thief took your bullshit and your perfumes OK, that's the main thing. It tells me how musty they must have been. They were like yo, is this half used? That's enough for me. I like the thing that they sprayed the room before they left, because you deserve that. That is nothing to do. Also, if you had candles, they probably wouldn't have stolen your fucking perfumes. Ok, they would have just taken the candles, used them in the bathrooms. I was not the thief. I did not vote an over narrow in that year, so you can't even blame me. I found out about it like three years later. Ok, it's a laughable offense. Three years later, four years later, doesn't matter. Yeah, it's a laughable offense by this point in time, but also shame on you. You shouldn't have the good perfumes. What were they? I'll buy them now. I'll give them to you as a birthday present. All right, candlemark, let's move on, fuck you this bullshit, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:51

I'm going to end this episode with and this is Valerio- and Candlemark.

Speaker 1: 13:55

I'm going to cut it. I'm the one who edits it, though You'll fucking make the memes, it doesn't matter. What I was going to say was. So in now, the biggest rumors that I keep hearing about is the return to office, right, where all I keep hearing on Fred's, on Reddit, on LinkedIn, is the difference, where a lot of big companies are pulling people to go back to work, and at least around me, it's not about when or how frequent, but no, it's about when and how frequent in the future. Because what's happening now? There's a lot of announcements coming and they're like OK, come for three days, don't come at all for your team. And so I was in this meeting where they were like, hey, are we going to have to go to the office? And the answer that was given was practically the sense of I don't know, man, I ain't heard of rumors yet. Literally, I've simplified it down but they're like, hey, we're hearing rumors that it's going to be every day we're going to have to return to office, and they're like, yeah, I haven't heard those rumors yet and it's literally driving the big meetings around me and stuff. So I feel like that one's coming because everyone's hearing the same rumors, which makes it sound like it's true, but there's no formal or physical evidence to say that it would be.

Speaker 2: 15:04

And it's interesting, right? Because once upon a time you used to work for a company. The only rumors that you really got was from your colleagues, maybe people in the same office give or take, or someone that you might know in a different apartment. Now you can just go on Fishbowl Glassdoor, like any of those websites, and you will find the rumors directly there from people in departments that you never heard from. So if you work for a big company, there is so much information being thrown at you, and this is pretty much the essence of this episode. It's all about how do you deal with gossip and, from an evolutionary standpoint, there is a believe it or not. There is a gossip researcher and her name is Elena Martinezco and she looks into gossip and whether it serves a useful function in society, and she actually explained that, from evolutionary theory, humans have developed gossip in order to facilitate cooperation in a group. So if you think back to caveman theory and when all the humans or the man back then and the women used to be together in the same cave, let's call it they developed that ability to talk to one another and talk about groups, talk about people, talk about facts, and that's practically what gossip is all about and he helped them try versus society more forward. So it's something that was developed out of necessity, but it's interesting that fast forward I don't know, thousands of years later and now we are cooked up in an office or cooked up in an environment trying to earn a livelihood through work, and gossip is still the center stage of some of the interaction take place and and it's interesting that evolution, you know, we moved on so many years. We moved on from hunting, gathering and living in a cave to living in fancy flats or houses and we still have the same element, the same string that pulls together people, positively or negatively, whatever, whichever that is, it's funny that there's a whole gossip expert.

Speaker 1: 17:01

By the way, I'm still stuck and you saying, hey, this person exists and their whole job is just to figure out gossip. How do you get them, like the skill level to do this? Like you know what? I think I should do this for a living and I didn't know it was like an A requirement in terms of the evolution, that part. I was unaware of it completely, but now I'm worried people will justify it like hey, it's not my choice, it's part of what I need to do to survive. It's gonna a wild wonder me. I don't know for me I tend to. It's funny with gossip, I think, and it goes the same with, like certain trashy TVs where I try and stay out of it, but when you hear it, it's so juicy. It's so juicy that you just like tell me more. You're singing grease. Tell me more, tell me more. Did they shit on the floor or some bullshit? When it comes to that, I don't, um, I don't know where it started, but I do know that it becomes very I don't know life orientating. Like imagine, say, the, the baseline is you going into work on a normal day and then a peak is when someone says did you hear about Kimberly? She got naked in front of Jeremy last week and it seems like she's gonna cheat on his wife, some shit. And you're like I did not give half a fuck about Kimberly or Jeremy. Finish your story.

Speaker 2: 18:19

Suddenly, I'm invested.

Speaker 1: 18:21

Yeah, you like you're higher than now. Be like please shut the fuck up once you finish telling me more about what the hell is going on there, because I didn't even know that and I've heard so much shit in like my, my work, career and life, where it's just what. I don't even know this person and it can always start with and I'll notice how much I give a fuck by. Hey, do you know John? No, I was gonna tell you that you know he's. He's been attacking the offices behind everyone's back. What do you mean? Attacking the offices? You can't leave me with these cliffhangers. Who is he beating up buildings?

Speaker 2: 18:56

It's. It's. It's super interesting because the two examples that you provided, they're probably like classifiers, let's call it like negative gossip, whereas if you think back about you know, take you back to to thousands of years ago caveman theory Probably, the gossip developed as a safety mechanism. So, for example, I don't know, john will go speak to Brandon and say, hey, man, don't go sleep in Martha, she's got lice. Wow, and that was a mechanism that you know. I give you a bit of information, I help you out so that you don't get lice. I mean, this is a very extreme example, um, but at the same time I've helped you in a way, and there is probably an element of let's go like positive gossip. Perhaps you hear something about the company uh, maybe layoffs are coming around, or maybe there is a, a job opening up and you go tell a person that could relate to that and that gossip, perhaps the way that I see it, is probably probably not as negative as talking behind colleagues bag. It's a little bit more helpful because you could, I could be telling you about position opening up purely from the perspective of I want to help you out because perhaps you want a different role and that, in my mind is what makes a good interaction, but it's definitely not called gossip. We don't see that as gossip. We see that as a me sharing information with you. But then on the flip side of the argument is that you've got what is it? Do you call it John coming around building our buildings? That's probably more of a negative gossip, because we're talking about someone, unless they deserve it. Right. We're talking about someone behind the back and having a bit of a laugh behind it or having a bit of a cheat chat, but it doesn't, let's say, have any useful input that comes with it. But it's interesting because in both cases I think what's important is that the interaction of sharing is what helps to build a relationship. So, whether it's useful or not useful as a gossip, whether it's juicy or not juicy, it's a way or a mechanism for people to earn trust and build a relationship one another.

Speaker 1: 20:57

So it's doing it with intention, which is the difference, I think. And it's kind of interesting that you say that, because I'm thinking of the stories, well, the stories from like my life and previously where I've done that, where I've used gossip to like promote myself and it's like branding, marketing. So if I take myself back to school, like high school, I remember going to people who were younger and just being like, oh, my name's Superfly. I'd never go by whatever Mark or anything, but I call me Superfly. And they'd be like and the way I'd say it sorry, wouldn't be my name is or call me, it would be they call me. Who the fuck are they? But I realized, by saying they call or they do, suddenly people just assume it's a bigger thing than it is. No one called me by Mark, they just call me Superfly. But I had to go to the people who are younger because of course, the elders and the ones of my year already knew my name is Mark. So I went by Superfly because they call me that. The people who heard it suddenly became the they. And so when I go back into the present mode and I go to like work and I think of two scenarios, one of which is a person who, if a rumored spreads or gossip spreads that this person is getting promoted, and then it reaches leadership and they're like, oh, who's promoting you know? But it becomes on their radar that maybe it's happening. It's not happening. Why isn't it happening? You know they have to start asking questions that could then lead to that promotion. Or, you know, check it and if they are doing the work, it could put them in a good light where it's like, wait, why aren't we doing that? I thought that was happening, I heard it was part of happening and it's literally just gossip spreading. That might not be true, whereas if it's a matter of, hey, like you say, giving someone a heads up, by the way it's, you should put yourself in the running for promotions. It seems like you stand a chance. I've heard that boom, suddenly it can go around and be like oh, I hear Markson running for promotion, he stands a good chance and all that. And it can get to your manager so that you could be like hey, I think I should be put in the running. If you're hearing what I'm hearing, I'm in a good state. So I think it's funny that you can use it as a quip, as a tool to say you know how do I social? I don't know social currency. Yeah, you know workplace currency. Part of that is the ability to gossip in these ways, and I didn't think about giving people information. One piece of information that I use is the ability to, like, get discounts depending on which workplace you're in. When it comes to travel or hotel bookings or stuff. It's like a freebie, but while it's a throwaway, something that you can do, and I spread the word, people hear about it and then I tell them how to do it. People remember me in that light. Hey, this person helped me. I'd been this level before and now I've been leveled up and I didn't realize I was engaging in gossip. Where is me? Because of the negative connotations of the word.

Speaker 2: 23:38

All I'd like to clarify out of everything that you just said is that they call you candlemark.

Speaker 1: 23:46

I don't think you're cool enough to do it, but I'm sorry. But you know you could try. We'll see. If anyone calls me candlemark, there's a level to this shit.

Speaker 2: 23:54

And you said it too seriously. I wish I know this.

Speaker 1: 23:58

Fuck you.

Speaker 2: 23:59

I wish I'd known about this before the stag too.

Speaker 1: 24:03

They call me Mark J, and that is true, if you noticed, for someone who's called Mark, I'm called Mark. The least Mark J is the name everyone calls me. Why? Because they do. Who are they? Shut the fuck up, I'm asking too many questions. It's my name, god damn it.

Speaker 2: 24:18

But anyway, spoken about gossip, giving you a couple of examples, but let's look at the stag. So there is three things that I think are super useful when it comes to gossip. The first one is tone of the conversation. When someone comes around and they may be talking to you about something that is happening, there is two things that you could think about, and this is from a stag from the Harvard Business Review. Look at the tone of that conversation. Is there someone coming to you and telling you they gossip because they are upset, because they want to open up to someone, because maybe something else happened that has affected them negatively? For example, mark would be coming to me because someone else got promoted and he thought he was going to get that promotion. He's allowed to be upset, he's allowed to have feelings about that, and it could perhaps come to me and maybe talk a little bit of shit about someone else, and that's okay, it happens. And spotting the difference between someone coming to you and coming to release the monkey in the head Now I'm referring to the chimp paradox. Yeah, exactly, coming to release a little bit of upset in their brain and what is happening to them, it's actually okay and you don't see that as a gossip. But on the flip side, if you've got someone always coming to you to give you the juices, gossip maybe question that, is that the most effective conversation that you could be having? And perhaps look at that as actual gossip. So understand that tone of conversation. The second takeaway I'm going to put in here is understand what the sources are, because if you're going to be on the receiving end of gossip and it could be something that is useful go back to the part where we talk about usability. Perhaps you want to understand where the sources as they come from management, or as they come from John in the stores department, or as they come from Sandy that works in the in the reception area. Really try to understand what those rumors come from, because if you're especially going to be repeating it or if it's something affecting you and you want to challenge it, you don't want to come across as unprofessional and you don't want to come across, as you go, your wires crossed, because that's not great and it places you and it doesn't place the person that is giving you the gossip in into negative light. And the third bit of element which I think it's worthwhile thinking about is the topic of conversation is unaware. So when gossip is exchanged, there is very little chance that this subject is present to listen in. So be conscious of that, right. So if someone is talks behind the back of someone else, unless someone is trying to release upset for one reason or the other, then that can become a very negative conversation. And when that happens too much, that's when we move a workplace from being a workplace to being a toxic workplace. And be aware of it, right, because just being a passive participant in gossip also makes you complicit, and it's something that it's worthwhile bearing in mind and something that certainly I'm going to be bearing in mind going forward as well. Because point three I hadn't really thought of. I don't know, mark, if you had, but I think I've been complicit in the past and it's not great.

Speaker 1: 27:31

I think the most likely chance I've had of receiving gossip which I didn't call it that then was when I enter a workplace, department whatever, and someone gives me information, the ongoings, you always want to know what's the situation here, and that's when they'll say hey, this is where you can do this, here's how you can bypass this. Fuck that guy, love this girl. You know what I mean. And while it's super useful, depending on that person, you will firstly form pictures of the one telling you like they talk too much, I ain't gonna tell them shit. Or you'll form pictures of the entire environment right Before you've managed to, like, set your ground and determine things for yourself. But in both cases, when someone new comes and you're the person saying, hey, by the way, walk this way, talk this way, do this dance, and also fuck that guy, love that girl, suddenly you are like part of that system that just keeps running on. And I think that's funny because, like you know, it's like getting your ground, it's like a body, but it's also being self-aware to be like I'm part of it and there's all these impacts to consider when it happens. So I guess it's key, but it's interesting to think about.

Speaker 2: 28:41

It's a great point that you raise, because it's not just about the information, it's also about where it comes from. Like if you always hear the gossip, or if you always hear the inside coming from one person or specific individuals, be sure that anything that you tell them will also be going out of the direction. So I think that's an excellent point towards bearing in mind. It's not just about the information, but also the source that you need to be aware of.

Speaker 1: 29:01

Fully agreed. But if what I'd like is for people to gossip about us and let's try our best to get people to gossip about the medium of this podcast, you know everyone calls them candle valerium.

Speaker 2: 29:11

I never knew that until now, but I've got many names about candle valerium Definitely wasn't one of them.

Speaker 1: 29:18

It's too long, I'll call you candle valve, candle valve, candle. I'm going to call you candle until people ask me why. And I'll be like, oh, because he brings candles everywhere. There's five candles in his bathroom. I can make this happen, it's happening, you're welcome and it's golden. This is the lesson I took from this episode.

Speaker 2: 29:36

So you just went ahead and like, took the negative aspects and you're going to be implementing them. Thanks, mark.

Speaker 1: 29:42

Like you make me feel great about all the research that we put into the podcast my fault, hey, I'm not the one who brings candles to random, air being these.

Speaker 2: 29:52

And cause it a day. Okay, anyways, that's been the end of the episode. I've been one of your host, dave Valerio Tomasso, joined by my co-host, just Mark J. Will do the co-host, Mark J, and until next time. Adios.