Interview Doc Malik: Don't Fall for the Fear

INTERVIEW DOC MALIK: DON'T GIVE IN TO THE FEAR


MAY, 5TH, 2024      AARON SMITH      SEASON 1      EPISODE 69

 SHOW NOTES: (AI generated)

As I, Aaron Smith, join forces with Dr. Ahmed Malik—a former surgeon who swapped his scalpel for the mic—we strip away the veneer of healthcare conformity to share his raw, transformative journey. Together, we navigate the choppy seas of speaking out against medical norms, daring to pull back the curtain on the industry. The costs and triumphs of such audacity are laid bare in our candid, sometimes explicit conversation, which might not be suitable for our younger listeners but is true to the spirit of challenging the status quo.

This episode isn't just about the personal—it's a reflection on the societal threads unraveling as civil debates decay into acrid disputes. I share my own dust-ups with contentious figures, including Chris Elston, to showcase the emotional landmines that litter the landscape of modern dialogue. From digital echo chambers to the courage it takes to stand steadfast in one's convictions, we dissect the importance of embracing authenticity and engaging in discussions that respect our differences. Because maintaining the ability to respectfully disagree could be the cornerstone of our society's future.

Our health—often relegated to a footnote in traditional education systems—takes center stage as we champion the power of sleep and the potential of fasting. We raise concerns about the gaps in our institutions where well-being should be paramount and consider the ancestral wisdom that might just hold the keys to a healthier life. From fasting's role in tackling insulin resistance to the nurturing embrace of sleep, we encourage a reconnection with knowledge often overlooked yet crucial for optimal health. Dr. Malik and I don't just share insights; we impart experiences, hoping to empower you on a path less traveled, but perhaps more fulfilling.

SUBTLECAIN SPOTLIGHT AND LINKS TO DOC MALIK'S WORK:

https://substack.com/@docmalik

https://docmalik.com

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/support-doc-maliks-right-to-me

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Subtle Cane Podcast. I'm your host, Aaron Smith, broadcasting from the Aorta of America, beautiful festival city, Oshkosh, Wisconsin, where we pump out reason and pierce through the propaganda. Here we go. Hoy es domingo 5 de mayo 2024. The days are getting longer, along with the noses of our dear, dear leaders. Despite all the ominous declarations of impending catastrophe, we are once again wading into the fray with another great interview. If you're new to the Subtle Cane Podcast, thank you for gracing us with your virtual presence. If you're a returning listener, thank you for your continued support. It is much appreciated.

Speaker 1: 0:54

This is episode 69 of the Subtlecane Podcast Interview with Doc Malek. Don't fall for the fear. There are people that you meet who have a certain grit about them. They know who they are and what they believe. They're open to new ideas, but they aren't willing to abandon their ethics just to make people comfortable. That takes courage and a level of introspection that's quite admirable. I've had the pleasure of meeting various individuals in alternative media who display just those attributes. One of the most kind-hearted and open of them is the focus of today's interview. Dr Ahmed Malik is what he jokingly refers to as a defrocked orthopedic surgeon. Ahmed is the host of the Doc Malik podcast. I have previously featured Doc Malik in the Subtle Cane Spotlight, if you remember. I hope you took the time to check them out. If not, strap in and listen as we delve into this fun and sometimes challenging discussion about the state of things.

Speaker 1: 1:55

I will just add a quick note. I am somewhat loathe to do so, but I'm going to. You may notice that I click the explicit language button when I publish this, but there are a couple of swear words and racial slurs used in this episode. I did not edit those words out. The language is not gratuitous, and Ahmed was speaking about his own life experiences. The only reason why I bring it up is because I know some families that have children that also listen, and I didn't want any surprised parents. It isn't in any judgment. It's just that, like I said, I don't want any surprised parents, so there's enough censorship out there, though, and I don't need to bring any here. Let's get into this fantastic talk. Here we go. I did start recording, but I'm really happy that you decided to come aboard here. You'll have to excuse me. My voice is a little rough this morning. It's all right, but it is five o'clock in the morning my time, so Dude, it's very early in the morning and I really appreciate you doing this no, not at all.

Speaker 1: 3:07

I I appreciate you coming on the show. So, um, in the intro I will have given a little bit of information about you, ahmed, but, um, if you want to just introduce yourself, tell us, uh, a little bit about yourself, what you do, why you do it. Just get get the train rolling that way, how's that?

Speaker 2: 3:30

that sounds great. Okay, fine. So very, very simply put, um, you know, I'm 48. I was a doctor and a surgeon for 25 years. I decided I didn't like my scrub hat and I wanted to wear tinfoil hat instead. And I I didn't quite like the title and I wanted to wear a tinfoil hat instead. And I didn't quite like the title doctor, I wanted to be called a quack instead. So for that reason I left medicine and surgery and now I'm a full time professional grifter speaking out against, you know, talking about all these weird conspiracy theories, because it's such a better job, it's so much more lucrative.

Speaker 2: 4:07

I've always wanted to be this, even as a kid, in nursery school. I just wanted to be a conspiracy theorist by the way, I'm joking, anyway. So basically, yeah, that's where I am now. I'm just on this rollercoaster ride. Sometimes I feel like I am not in the driving seat, I'm just a passenger in life and just it's going all over the place. But yeah, here I am, I am shaping some of my own destiny, so I'm speaking out against all the things that I see wrong in the world.

Speaker 2: 4:38

Um, I've turned my little hobby that was doing a podcast into now my main career and I'm enjoying it now. You know, I did get pushed out of my my practice by all the hospitals and life was getting very difficult, working in mainstream medicine and also criticizing from within. I realized you can't do that, you can't be calling out and exposing all the problems and stay in the system. They won't let that happen. So I'm not outside the system, which does make me a lot more free, and that's what I'm doing, you know, because there's a lot of things wrong in this world, aaron, which you probably know about.

Speaker 2: 5:19

Yeah, a lot of things wrong. So that's it in a nutshell, basically.

Speaker 1: 5:34

I don't know how much more you want to me to explain. Yeah, uh, well, I was, um, I was hoping if you would walk us through a little bit about, um, what it looked like for you as someone who was practicing medicine when all this stuff happened with, uh, we started getting the reports of the covid and and the escalation of things. I know what it looked like for me in nursing school and clinicals and in practice as a nurse, but, and in the united states. But what did that look like for you? And and how did that?

Speaker 2: 6:02

yeah, so those were some dark times yeah, I was in a private hospital working part-time, working for myself, and, um, you know, I wasn't in this busy hospital anymore. I left the nhs system, so that's quite a loud plane overhead. Sorry about about that. I've kept my door open so I got some fresh air in and so, basically, you know, I was quite isolated. I wasn't seeing acute medicine, I was just seeing fractures, sprains, you know, bunions, arthritis, so I didn't see anyone getting sick. I just started hearing reports on Instagram. I just started hearing reports On Instagram and Some of my friends were posting On WhatsApp groups and I'll be honest with you, I kind of fell for the fear porn and I'm totally embarrassed to say so. But for about 3-4 weeks I was like, oh my god, what's happening? There's this weird thing happening. Oh my god, the government should do something about it. I was such an idiot.

Speaker 2: 7:05

And then, when the actual lockdowns happened and I was stuck at home in my garden with the kids, I had time to reflect and I was like, no, this is really bizarre. Like you can do treatment, you can do fluids and antibiotics and vitamin d and sunlight. And I think what really made me snap out of it was when I kept hearing stay at home. Stay at home and then, when you're really really sick, come up and we're getting ventilators. And I was like what? Because that just doesn't make sense. Like what about early treatment, preventative care? And we've treated respiratory illnesses and ventilation is a really bad thing. And like is it like it's fraught with complications? Yeah, and when they kept saying there's no other treatment, there's no other treatment, I was like that's not true. And but then I was like, oh, you know what, two weeks it's fine, you know what, just whatever bloody one, two weeks and then we just get back to normal life.

Speaker 2: 8:02

But then it didn't. It dragged on and I think that's. It was literally you know three, four weeks. I fell for the bullshit, but there's a reason for that. I was mentally not in a good place. I'd just come out the brexit campaign, I was very bruising psychologically and financially for me, and so I was in a very vulnerable position when, when it all kicked off. I think if I was in a very vulnerable position when, when it all kicked off, I think if I was in a stronger position mentally, I would have been like this bullshit. But because I was not in a strong position mentally, I fell for it. I'm very ashamed and embarrassed of myself, but it's three, four weeks. You know, I'm just human. Well, I think.

Speaker 1: 8:39

I think probably give yourself a little more grace than that. That's a probably give yourself a little more grace than that. That's uh. When you're, when you're told from every angle and then they're showing videos of people dropping like flies in the in the streets of china and things like that, I myself was like wondering wow, is this? You know, because if it was what it was presented as well, that that is something to be really worried about. But yeah, there was a total.

Speaker 2: 9:09

I know, aaron, but I've spoken to so many people like you know, like just bricklayers and carpenters and you know just, you know working class people, and they're like I saw those videos of people falling down like, and I was like no one does that. That's a pile of crock of shit and I and I wish I had that common sense at that time because actually, yeah, now when I look back at those videos, it's so stupid, so theatrical. No, it is embarrassing to think I fell for it and that there was actually so many people right and mainly uneducated or you know, not, not, not not stupid, smart, but uneducated people and you know who haven't got university degrees or stuff like that, not professionals who went.

Speaker 2: 9:57

This is an absolute joke, but actually the funny thing is all the doctors and lawyers and engineers and accountants, all the people with the fancy degrees they all fell for it hook line and sinker, which makes me think who are the smarter people? Uneducated people are definitely the smarter people. We're dumb, unindoctrinated, unindoctrinated, mate. Seriously, that's what it's all about anyway. So basically I got very isolated because I was not working. My colleagues were all like at home, you know. Their operating lists were all canceled. They thought it was brilliant.

Speaker 2: 10:34

We had an amazing spring and summer. They're at home with their barbecues, getting paid full pay to do nothing, and I'm at home getting paid nothing because I'm self-employed. There was no handout for me. It was really tough, it was very stressful and it just felt like it's going to drag on forever. Um, and very quickly. You know there was words on my whatsapp groups and telegram channels and that you know they want a social distance. I don't know what that was. They wanted to mask us up and force us to mask all the time.

Speaker 2: 11:05

They were going to bring in the vaccine and I thought that was crazy. I was like, how can you get vaccine for respiratory illness? Like you know, the cold doesn't work. You've never had a vaccine for the cold and coronavirus is, you know, one of the cold things. And I knew for SARS, the one they tried um a vaccine and they had problems with antibody defense and enhancement. And there's actually papers. You can find them. Well, maybe now you can, but at the time I was able to find papers and the findings from like 10, 15 years earlier were like we've tried this vaccine for this SARS virus but you know, we recommend caution and there's serious complications and the animals all died and we don't recommend it and we don't think it's feasible. And I was like what's changed? What's changed Doesn't look like anything's different.

Speaker 2: 11:57

So I was very skeptical and a bit wary and when I started like reading and joining all these groups, it wasn't just the pandemic I got exposed to. It was crazy stuff like adrenochrome and you know just other stuff and pedo rings and and depopulation and such at the time, such crazy topics that I was like, nah, what is this garbage I've fallen into? Because you know I'm really quite normie. You know, I was just doing my job, I was like living my life and I was like this isn't real. This is just this crazy talk. You know graphene and vaccines and digital ID and passport. I just thought I can't believe this is all garbage. So I actually switched off all social media and just tried to get some mental sanity. But turns out all those things I read about were actually all true. How bizarre is that man.

Speaker 1: 12:56

it's very bizarre and it's a it's a difficult uh excuse the pun, but it's a difficult pill to swallow the whole red pill situation and unfortunately there's there's a lot of distractions put out there too, and so you always have to be on guard and challenge everything. And that's one thing that I respect about you is that you really do stop in the middle of what you're doing and ask for clarification, and you're willing to go down whatever path, but you want to make sure that it's legitimate. So you're always asking questions, you're always challenging narratives. All the guests that you have on you're always polite and caring, but you're not afraid to ask them for clarifying questions or or or to figure out is this something that's that makes sense to me? And, um, that that's something that's a good lead by example thing that I see you doing, that that I really respect.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Thanks. Well, the the thing is, do you know what it is? I don't know if you found this, aaron, like you know, I'm quite new to this and um, there's a lot of eagles out there. Man, there's a lot like I didn't realize how many eagles and um, and there's a lot of people are very easily triggered and I think I miss the day when you could have a chat with someone and agree to disagree and walk away with a handshake and a smile and just say, yes, you know, it's fine, you think this and I think that, and it's all right, it's all good. Life goes on.

Speaker 2: 14:37

But, like in the last 20 years, something really weird has happened where if you don't agree with what the other person is saying, like you're an enemy, you're someone to be despised and hated, and they don't want to talk to you. They get, they get viscerally upset in front of you, the blood pressure, the veins are bulging and they're angry and and either they storm off or they just start shouting at you and you just kind of think man, why can't we just have a chat and like, I hear your perspective, you hear mine, my opinion might get changed, your opinion might get changed. Maybe none of our opinions get changed. Maybe we'll get even more resolute in our own opinions after speaking to you like it's a win-win, just just go with it. It's just a chat, for goodness sake.

Speaker 2: 15:26

But you know, I don't know if you know, recently I had this guy called Chris Billboard Chris Chris Elston, I think his name is, or whatever and just the whole the conversation just took a dive. I mean, I had a little bit of concerns because he kept talking about left wing, left wing and, to be honest, I don't believe in left or right wing. I think these are all constructs to divide us and it's all just ridiculous. Um, and then he started talking about right, conservative, right part, you know, and I was like, okay, here we go. And then he started talking about judeo-christian values and I'm like, okay, and who keeps talking about that? Your Douglas Murray's and your Jordan Peterson's, and it's all about this clash of civilization. You know we're better in the west and those dirty Muslims and Confucians in China they don't know anything about culture and sophistication and it's not that simple. You know, yes, there's a lot of really great stuff that came out the west, but I actually came through the enlightenment and actually I would say, not religion.

Speaker 2: 16:28

You know, religion was trying to stifle open debate and education. They didn't want people to get educated, they didn't want the bible in english, they wanted it in latin. They wanted to hold on to the knowledge and the power. And there was a pushback and um, you know, religion was used by all people. All religions have used it to conquer others.

Speaker 2: 16:48

Islam did, christianity did colonialism, you name it slavery. Everyone's used it to justify, you know, converting the heathens because we're the better people. You just need to look what they did to the native americans and the aborigines, how they pulled them out their families and stuck them in Catholic schools or whatever. You know, religion's done a lot of really bad stuff and good stuff. But it's not that simple. And just talking about Judeo-Christian values, it's kind of like I think it's a bit of arrogance but a neo-colonialism and a bit of racist undertone to it, like no one else is as good as us, we're, we're the best, and it's like it's not that simple. But then he he went off to talk about how, oh, there's all these people chanting for genocide in israel, and I had to push him back, said dude, you know it's not that simple. I don't really think so.

Speaker 2: 17:38

I think people just want liberation and and he got really angry and he got very triggered and and then he hung up on me and then later on twitter he called me a terrorist sympathizer goodness and so I was really quite shaken up by this, because what made me really sad was you know, here he is campaigning against trans activists and you know he's talked to me about how you know they they shut you down, they don't want to listen to you, they talk over you, they get triggered, shut you down, they don't want to listen to you, they talk over you, they get triggered, they get emotional, they start name calling You're a transphobe, you're a homophobe or whatever it might be and either they shut you up, walk away or cancel you.

Speaker 2: 18:18

And he just did the exact same to me that he was complaining about and I was like why can't we just have a conversation like and agree to disagree, like why can't we just do that and be civil and be polite? And things are so nuanced and complicated, you know, that's why I get sad, you know. I just feel like we've missed that. I missed the time where we could just chat and talk, you know. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1: 18:48

I find in my own life, um, if I reflect, the times that I'm most emotionally um attached to an issue is generally the times when I have the least amount of rational reasoning to support whatever it is I'm upset about.

Speaker 1: 19:11

You know, if I'm having an argument with my wife about something stupid, if I know I'm in the wrong or I know I don't have a really a leg to stand on, that's when I'm like the most emotionally charged about it. A leg to stand on. That's when I'm like the most emotionally charged about it. But when you have, when you're confident in your position or you're um open to other positions, you don't. You don't get that. But we have so much propaganda and we have so many emotionally charged narratives that we're bombarded with and I think that that emotional reaction is it's almost like a telltale sign, like a symptom that you can watch out for, or like a sign that you can watch out for that says OK, this person is more emotionally attached than rationally convinced of the argument that that they're proposing. I, in in my own life, I noticed that when I'm most um self-righteous is generally when I don't know what the heck I'm talking about.

Speaker 2: 20:16

A hundred percent. You know, like, for example, there's a lot of um TV celebrity doctors here in the UK pushing the vaccine left, right and centre, on Instagram, on Twitter, on their shows and GB News or Talk TV or whatever it might be, good Morning Britain. You know all these breakfast shows and I've done an open letter on my sub stack. I've gone on Instagram, I've messaged on Twitter, I've messaged them privately, dm them. I've said to all these doctors and there's a lot of them, you can check my open letter on sub stack and I said look, you guys are all pushing the jabs, whether it's COVID, childhood vaccines, you know now measles and even more recently another doctor's come out with we should look into these mRNA jabs for cancer and I'm like come on my show, come and talk about why you think, because I'll be honest with you, I don't.

Speaker 2: 21:12

I'm not a fan of them, I'm very critical of them, and these are the questions I would ask you. I've actually even I've even listed the questions so that you don't feel like I'm I'm going to trip you up or catch you out. Like you know, let's have an honest debate and since you're pushing these jabs, I would think that you, you jump at the chance of you know talking about why you believe in these and why they're so amazing. And, and you know, all I've received is pin drop silence, and every single one of them has just blocked me. And, and this is what I mean, like you know, this is how propaganda works. Okay, it stifles the truth. The truth flourishes in the open air. You know, honesty and debate is like oxygen for truth. It keeps the fire burning.

Speaker 2: 22:07

But you know, lies, lies need censorship. Lies need to hide in the shadows. They do not like the light being exposed and shone on them. So lies, to survive, need censorship, do not want debate, do not want a scrutiny or examination, and I think that's the tell. You know, if you can't talk about something. If you, if there's a no-go area, or if you've got benjamin netanyahu coming on tv and saying oh, you can't be talking about this and blah, blah, blah and you know what, then you need to examine it, you need to scrutinize it. Like what is going on? If you can't question climate change and you start getting called funny names, there's something there they're hiding from us.

Speaker 2: 22:57

You know, whatever my podcast, I'm covering all these topics because I think there's too many people who are just single ticket issues, early treatment for COVID or whatever, or trans. Just talk about trans and actually you know what? No, no, no, the world is very complicated and actually it's multifactorial problems which are all in some way, shape or form linked. And we need to talk about the banking system. We need to talk about the climate scam. We need to talk about big farmers unhealthy influence on us. We need to talk about the dangers of vaccines and the lack of safety in them and what they're trying to do. We need to talk about the fiat money system.

Speaker 2: 23:37

We need to talk about the fact that everywhere in the west, we have a uniparty system at least, least the goddamn Chinese are honest about it. We have one party and it's communism, and this is what you're going to do. I mean the West. It's deceit, it's a lie. We're actually worse off because people think we've got this illusion of choice, when actually there is no choice and all the people are actors serving other masters and we're just left fighting amongst each other, and so the list is this many. The list is long. I mean, I had a chat with aman jabi. He's a fellow american from in, originally punjabi, indian, but he's an american. Now he's living in montana and he's telling me you know, I'm at, you know they, they, whoever are, have got us designing and building our own digital prisons in which we are happily marching into.

Speaker 1: 24:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:32

You know, these are the things we should be talking about, all these issues. So that's why, you know, I'm just that's what my podcast is trying to do is just trying to raise awareness for people and trying to put a bit of fire back into people's bellies. Because, again, one of the things that a man said that really made me sad was he goes. I heard you talk about america and it's, you know, a last hope for mankind. You know we've got guns here in federal system. He goes. I live in montana. The average person's got 10 guns. I can tell you, I've been to so many meetings and all the men are emasculated. None of them have got any fight in them. They'll roll over when the government tells them to, and that made me really sad.

Speaker 1: 25:12

I made me really sad yeah, yeah, it's not like a bunch of white herps riding around anymore.

Speaker 1: 25:19

Um, it can be, it can be a little disheartening, but another thing that I really like about what you do is you're always trying to find the silver lining, and one of the ways you do that and and I just wanted to bring this up because I wanted people to when they check you out, I want, I want them to pay attention to this you spend some some of your interviews, at least more often than not, as of late, I think, you spend a little time at the outset talking to your son, and I think that that is one of the most refreshing, beautiful things ever those conversations and it's part of your personality. You're just an open, honest guy, who, who really just doesn't put on any pretenses and and that's what I found so intriguing about you because there are so many egos out there and there's so many people trying to present themselves with this certain flair, and you're just you and that's that's not easy to do, um, in this environment. It really isn't so, um, thanks, man, you're, you're a family man and you're really you're. You're yourself definitely dude.

Speaker 2: 26:39

I actually have to say, um, I've actually got two daughters, and some of them might be my daughters. My son's only done one, my girls have done three or four. Okay, but yeah, I know, when you're at that age it's difficult to tell whether it's a boy or a girl.

Speaker 2: 26:55

I mean they're eight, seven and five. And my five-year-old boy, you know he didn't want to do a podcast. He was quite nervous about it and then suddenly he chirped up because my eldest said dad, I've been thinking about this. And I was like, yes, I think, you know, I like coming on your podcast. I want to, I want to say lots of things and I want to come on again, but I think you should pay me. And I was like, oh, she's like, you know, I'm doing a job and I'm, you know, I think I think I should get five pounds. I was like, okay, can we negotiate on this? And she went no, it's five pounds or nothing. I went, baby, five pounds it is. I love that. I love the fact that you value yourself and um, and what you, you do. And then you know, definitely, let's do it. She went, okay, great, well, dad, that means you owe me 15 pounds already, but but I love it. I was like this is what I want. I want, I want my kids to be strong and confident, and you know, know what they want.

Speaker 2: 27:53

So my little five-year-old boy heard all this conversation. He went daddy, I want to come on the podcast. Do I get five pounds too. I went, can we negotiate? He went. No, I went. Fine, let's do it, it's okay. But um, yeah, I, I just wanted them to express themselves and and I thought it'd be nice for people to hear because I, yeah, I'm just trying to be, you know, I'm just trying to be me, me, I'm like. There's no nothing fancy or schmancy about me, just being me. But the funny thing is, in this world today, everything's a filter, everything's covered up in makeup, everyone's wearing a mask you know, you know and everyone's trying to be someone. They're not. And I think the problem when you do that is it eats you up inside. You know you're living a lie, whether you know it or not, and so, no, don't just be true to yourself and accept yourself, warts and all, and love yourself for who you are, you know short break here.

Speaker 1: 28:59

As you know, the subtle cane podcast operates on a frankly irrational value for value system. That means that rather than asking you to return your time, talent or treasure to me, I ask that you lend your support to someone else in a paid forward fashion. Each episode, I feature someone in the Subtle Cane spotlight. This episode the spotlight shines on well, doc Malik. I know I featured him recently, but there's no reason to complicate things and I generally ask guests who they'd like to propose for the spotlight, and I totally dropped the ball in asking Ahmed before I did this recording. So, in all fairness and in any event, the links to Ahmed's work are in the show notes and I hope you take the time to check them out. I really do appreciate and love this guy.

Speaker 1: 29:47

Another side note, quick, before we get back. I've been working on the next episode in my For Prying Out Loud series and I wrote out a ton of notes and, to be honest, I scrapped the whole lot. I just scrapped the whole lot. It went off on a tangent and so it was back to the drawing board for this guy, but I have a much better idea about how to go about things. I do appreciate your patience and I'd rather make sense to you than myself, if that makes sense. In any event, back to the discussion yeah it.

Speaker 1: 30:21

It's hard, it's hard to do when you, when people live in a virtual world and they're given all of these unrealistic expectations and they're presented with all these, like you said, filters and you have to look a certain way and have certain things and, and this, uh, consumer mentality is just, uh, it's very unhealthy. Um, you call your podcast honest health and, um, I was reading a little bit and it was talking about how you had found, as you were after you lost your father, was it? You had found out that there was a lot of things about medical that you didn't learn in medical school, about being healthy, and do you want to share something about that little journey and and what the kind of things you discovered?

Speaker 2: 31:17

yeah, I mean, doesn't that sound crazy like I discovered things about how to be healthy that I didn't get taught in med school. And, honestly, I look back now and I think what did I get taught in med school? And it's very much like school. Um, you know, what did you? What did we learn in school that we actually use on a day-to-day basis in the real world? You know, let's go back to school. Did you know?

Speaker 2: 31:41

If I was to, if I would want to come out of school today? I would want to know how money is made, how to save money, how to make money, how to pay my taxes, how to be a good citizen, how to have meaningful relationships, how to have a healthy, loving relationship, how to safeguard my health and my mental and physical well-being, and how to have purpose in life and how to navigate how. How does government work? How does local councils work? How does local government work? You know what are the laws and rules that are important that we need to know about. How do we hold governments to account? You know practical things how to grow things, how to grow your own food. You know how to survive. You know. These are things that I would want to know, I didn't get taught any of that in school.

Speaker 2: 32:36

None of it, none of it. And it's the same with med school. You know you'd think, as a medic, how do you look after your body, how do you maintain after your body, how do you, how do you maintain it, optimize it? And actually, when I think about it, I didn't get taught any of that med school. So what did I get taught in med school? I got taught the anatomy of the body, which I found fascinating. It was one of my favorite subjects. And we got taught physiology as we know it. How does the body work? We got taught pathology, which is what goes wrong in the body. Oftentimes we were told it's genetic or we do not know what causes it. And then, um, we got offered the treatment, which was drugs, mainly. There's always drugs.

Speaker 2: 33:16

Actually, I didn't get one lecture on nutrition, one lecture on sleep. I didn't get any lecture on physical therapy. I didn't get any lecture on exercise. I didn't get lecture on any of this, or you know, none of this mental well-being. And it's kind of bizarre actually, because now I've discovered what it does take to be healthy and guess what? You know, you do not need to pay hundreds of dollars in supplements and pills or gym memberships or operations and injections. People on the alternative media will go on about things like oh you, this is the latest thing you need to try and stem cells and this and that I mean it's all money making, everything's money making or this supplement and this will protect you and this will treat your spike protein. Do you know what the human body is? Such a resilient, amazing creation. God created us and we are beautiful. Tell me the most expensive car that you know. Tell me the most expensive car that you know. What's the most expensive car that you know of?

Speaker 1: 34:28

Oh, I don't know cars very well, maybe an Aston Martin or a.

Speaker 2: 34:33

Right, okay, let's take an Aston Martin.

Speaker 2: 34:34

Yeah, that's quite expensive, is it? If you? If you put milk in the Aston Martin, what would happen to it and and and to it? Instead of putting gas in there, you put milk. What would happen? It would sit in your driveway. What about orange juice? Same thing. What about if you put diesel in there? Instead of unleaded petrol gas, you put diesel. It wouldn't work, would it? This most sophisticated, sophisticated, expensive technological masterpiece would just sit in the driveway. You'd break it.

Speaker 2: 35:11

And now take, take the human being. You know, we're so away from our ancestral evolutionary diet. We're eating absolute garbage your little twinkies, your fast food garbage, your corn dogs or whatever it is processed, full of chemicals, seed oils, and when you eat it, do we go? Not so much, but we do, don't we? We still function. I mean, we breathe, we move. What I'm trying to say is, even though we pollute our bodies, we still go. But what happens is, over time, we get fat, we get mental fog, we get lazy, our testosterone goes down, we get mentally unhappy, we get depressed, anxious, confused, sick, tired, aching, but we still go, still doing better than that A martin.

Speaker 2: 36:06

So I realized actually what it does take to be healthy and you know what. It's not complicated. I'm actually teaching my little kids and if my little five-year-old kid can digest the information and understand it, you can imagine how easy it is. And then you also understand that actually this isn't rocket science and the powers at large also are aware of this. And then you ask yourself well, why are they not teaching this in school and why they're not educating all of us?

Speaker 2: 36:34

And then you realize how dark it is, because they don't want you to be fit and healthy. They're not patriots, they don't give a damn about you and the citizens and the public, they don't care about the health of the nation. They want you sick and dependent and easily controllable and they want you to be basically cash cows, you know, for big pharma, where you know a cured patient is a customer lost, anyway. So what are the quick things? I mean? I would say, do not underestimate the power of sleep. A lot of people might be like well, what's the point of that? Can I ask you something, aaron? Do you go on planes much? Do you fly much?

Speaker 1: 37:17

No, infrequently I do go on planes, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 37:22

You ever been on the tarmac looking at the plane at night and see a plane in the hangar? Yeah, you know, like a big jet's in the hangar, all the lights are on. What are they doing to that plane at night? Servicing it? Yeah, do they ever service the plane while you're sitting on the tarmac ready to take off?

Speaker 1: 37:41

Yes, do they. A couple times just some quick tune-ups.

Speaker 2: 37:50

That's not good. Well, do they ever service it while it's flying up in the air at 30 000 feet? Uh, negative. What I'm trying to say is the human body's like that plane. It needs to be taken into the hangar at night and all the crew comes out to fix it. You do not heal, repair or build tissue during the day or when you're exercising.

Speaker 2: 38:13

It's at night you have these anabolic hormones that come out melatonin, growth hormones, growth hormone and stuff like that and you have the, the catabolic hormones like cortisol, going down and there's this beautiful circadian rhythm to it all you know we've got these internal body clocks in every cell and every cell is a beautiful orchestra. It's just playing in tune and everything's done properly, and but we, we mess it up. We mess it up because we go to sleep late, we watch tv with blue flickering lights, or look at our phone or ipads, um, and then we have ems, and so our sleep is disturbed and we wake up sluggish and tired and then we wonder why our bodies aren't healing, and even just poor sleep will then cause increased insulin and you actually put on weight just because you don't sleep properly or you go to sleep too late. You have more cortisol. You have higher risk of cancer and heart disease if you do night shifts, for example. So you know sleep is important, but a lot of people think sleep is for the weak, and sleep takes away time that could be spent doing something else. Actually, you know, the most important thing you can do for your health is prioritize sleep, and then the next thing I would say is when the biggest bang for your bucks is fasting and so time-restricted eating.

Speaker 2: 39:36

And what I mean by that is, you know, every day, every day, fast. So right now my stomach is, you know, gurgling a little bit. I fast every day. I fast for, for you know, on average 20 hours a day. I'm just checking my app now what it's going to say 20 hours every day, that's how much I fast. So I you know that's quite a lot. I'm not saying everybody should do that, but at least a minimum of 16 hours. So what does 16 hours means? It means you've got eight hours in which to eat, so 10 o'clock to 6 pm, I mean that's. I mean you basically just miss breakfast. I mean, it's easily doable. And and one of the things is that we as a people have forgotten what it's like to just be hungry all the time. Hunger is our natural physiological state, not not sated, not full. That's not healthy. We need to be hungry most of the time, and fasting again, affects your hormones. It gets rid of insulin resistance. You should look into insulin resistance, by the way.

Speaker 2: 40:42

Insulin resistance is when you're always eating, your body's then used to always having sugar and whatnot in it and then it pumps out the insulin and because the feedback mechanism. It just gets fed up of that high level of insulin all the time. It ignores the insulin, doesn't really act on it. So what causes insulin resistance? Chronic stress, ultra processed foods, lack of sleep, sugar, refined carbohydrates, all those breads and buns and desserts and pastries, sedentary lifestyle, seed oils. And then what does insulin resistance lead to? What? So these are all the things that cause insulin resistance. So what does insulin resistance cause? It causes heart disease, sarcopenia that means you lose muscle mass as you get older Erectile dysfunction. So all you men up there, if you want to keep it up, forget Viagra. Get your insulin resistance sorted. It leads to strokes, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, certain cancers, fatty liver, gout, shortened lifespan, inflammation, alzheimer's disease, arthritis, dementia, osteoarthritis, obesity, polycystic ovarian disease. Do you see how dangerous insulin resistance is? I mean it's bad.

Speaker 2: 41:53

So, fasting fixes that, and that's basically just learning to have delayed gratification. We live in an era where everyone wants that instant dopamine hit, instant gratification. Do you know what? No delay, don't deny, just delay. Delay that gratification so fast. And then I would say, just watch when you start fasting and say, for example, example, like my wife and I have one meal a day when you get to that point where you're fasted 20 hours, do you think I want to put garbage inside my stomach? Or do you think I want to feast?

Speaker 2: 42:24

and it has to be amazing, it's going to be a feast, right so then you, you naturally start thinking carefully about what you will put in your mouth and you will gravitate towards healthier, more wholesome foods that will fill you up. So you know, whatever it is, I know there's a lot of people push the vegan and people push the carnivore. I think, personally, we're omnivores, but we're heavy we should be heavy animal meat and fat products and minimal carbohydrates and um, certainly no processed carbohydrates and ultra processed. So you know, that's the diet you should be aiming for. And you know, learn to cook for yourself. Just cook your own meals.

Speaker 2: 43:07

And then I would say, the last two I would say is you know, and this is a very simple guide, by the way, exercise. Everyone should move. We're meant to be moving all the time. Preferably move in the sunlight, in nature, in the woods. You know, exercise a little bit every day and the biggest bang for your buck is strength training. You don't need a gym, just 15, 20 minutes every day. Push-ups, press-ups, squats, lunges, swing. Every day. Push-ups, press-ups, squats, lunges, swing some kettlebells. Lift some weights. Do some farmer carries I mean single arm farmer carries just carry a load, walk up and down, up and down. I mean, this is just great if you don't move and lift weights, you will just get older and weaker and it will lead to cognitive decline, physical decline and it ain't good.

Speaker 2: 43:52

And the last one I would say is love. Learn to love yourself, not in a weird selfish, narcissistic way, but in a wholesome way, one that you know. Like me, I didn't love myself. I was too short, I got a little bit of a hooky nose, I got a hairy back, you know. I just you know a bald. I just didn't like who I was. No, just God created you and we're all imperfect and it's in the imperfections lies the beauty.

Speaker 2: 44:22

And love yourself, because if you don't love yourself, you won't be able to receive love from others and then you won't be able to give love to others. So when you're in a healthy state, then you will love. You will love your children, you will love your wife or husband, and that's really important. Love is so important. You'll be able to love your fellow man and woman and your neighbors, and love nature and love animals and love the world. You know love is very important. I mean, I could go on and on, but, aaron, that's pretty much it. In a nutshell, and honestly, you do all this, you can keep 95% of chronic illnesses at bay, yeah with the fasting especially.

Speaker 1: 45:05

I typically eat one to two meals a day and you know I work with on the floor with a bunch of nurses, and so many of them I work with on the floor with a bunch of nurses, and so many of them that I work with are like aren't you going to eat something? And I'm like I'll eat later on. And they're like I don't know how you do that I get so angry and I get so I'll start feeling dizzy and weak. And I said you know well, I felt like that a little bit when I started doing this, but over time now I feel actually, if I eat before, like the early afternoon, I feel really sluggish and I'd rather just have a couple of cups of coffee and just go about my day and I feel great. But if I try to eat a big meal when, when my body's not expecting it at this point now, I, it really weighs me down. I want to take a nap, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:02

Yeah, the people that you're talking about, those nurses, right, and they're the same. Over here in the UK Everybody's become quite big and large when you're, you know, running on carbohydrates and you've got insulin resistance. And I know because I I was the same person, you know it's. You know good 12 kilograms heavier. I don't know what that is in pounds. You american do pounds, but you know my waist size was 34, now it's 28.

Speaker 2: 46:27

I would literally be waking up in the middle of the night to eat a bowl of cereal, and literally did. I know that the bowl of cereal was just a bowl of sugar and that's because I was dipping, I was crashing and even in my sleep I'd have to wake up and get it. And you know the people get headaches and brain fog and sluggish because their sugars drop. They've got insulin resistance and they need that next fix. But when you fast, like you are and like I am, you don't run on gluconeogenesis, you don't run on that glucose pathway. You're running on ketones.

Speaker 2: 46:57

Ketones are the optimal brain fuel, optimal fuel source, produce a lot more energy than glucose does in that ATP mitochondrial cycle, and so you're basically running on jet fuel. You're just constant. You don't go highs and lows, highs and lows. You don't don't get foggy brain foggy, you don't get those migraines. And so you know the your colleagues who are overweight and have insulin resistance. They're struggling. They don't understand how can you not eat, because for them it's actually a painful state when they get into that dip. They're literally breaking down. They need that next fix um, and that's why it can be very hard to start the fasting. But the way you do it it's just very slowly, in small incremental chains.

Speaker 2: 47:43

Aaron I tell everyone, just everywhere you look in your life, make small, incremental changes, you will have an accumulative gain over time, which, which is massive. So you know, start fasting 12 to 12. Now some people say, oh yeah, I could do that and I'm like, of course you can, it's just like a long sleep. You know, you go, you don't eat anything from 8 pm to 8 am. I mean, how hard is that? It's not hard. You know, after you've done that for three, four weeks, and you know, get an app. I use the app called zero, z-e-r-o, z-e-r-o or z-e-r-o, zero, and then just clock on, clock off, clock on, clock off, and you'll get into the habit and don't break. And then, after you've done, you know, three, four weeks of 12 hours maybe push it up to 14 hours for three, four weeks and then, once you've done 14 hours, get up to 16 and once you've done 16 hours that You're doing intermittent fasting, boom, and never go below that again. And then keep pushing the envelope. Keep pushing it and in a year you might find something.

Speaker 2: 48:38

You're just doing one meal a day, and don't get me wrong, my wife and I still have two meals a day, but it's once a month when we want to, and sometimes we're fasting 16, 17 hours and sometimes we're fasting 24 hours, but the average ends up being, you know, 20, 21 hours a day. Yeah, um, and it, it's massive. You know it's so powerful. But you know the companies won't tell you this. They'll tell you eat certain foods, have special shakes, protein bars, a new diet or fad, or you know what, or take olympic, whatever that drug is. You know they tell you all these things because that's how they profit.

Speaker 1: 49:20

You don't make money by telling people not to eat money from that you can always exercise the rule, too, of just staying on the outside of the grocery store. That's a good place to start to get rid of all those preservatives. So you have a few different places. I'm going to have links to your stuff in the show notes, but you have the podcast. You have a sub stack. You have your website a sub stack. You have your website and on your website I found this crowd justice says, support Doc Malik's right to medical free speech. Is that still an ongoing campaign that you're working on?

Speaker 2: 50:05

Yeah, so currently I've taken three hostels to court. It's very slow, aaron. The legal system is so slow and so expensive and it just takes forever. And so I think right now, you know it's gone through the tribunal system and then the hospitals came back with a rebuttal. My solicitor responded I think then they'll set a date and you know it just takes forever. But basically, yeah, I mean, you know, will I get justice? I don't know. But I didn't want to go down without a fight and I think people need to be aware, and I'll be.

Speaker 2: 50:45

I'll be doing a sub stack in the next three, four weeks giving everybody an update as to what's happening and the particulars of my case, because when people realize how these hospitals have been working, um, it's quite sad. So they didn't like me talking about the vaccine harms. They didn't like me talking about the climate scam. They didn't like me questioning the transgender ideology. Um, they don't like any of this. They just want me to be a quiet doctor getting on with my job and not questioning anything. And you know, even though these hospitals are private corporations, I don't think enough people realize that we now are living in essentially a fascist west where there's been a complete blend of government and corporations. They all are doing the same thing, the same agenda. So have you heard of things like ESG and DEI, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:46

So they need to hit their targets and they maybe find it's too difficult to have a doctor speaking at with a platform and you know, going against official narratives, it will be bad optics for them and metrics, so let's just shut them up. So you know. Again, going back to the Soviet Union and communist China, you know at least they were honest about it. At least they said look, these are things you can't talk about. You know no one will say to me, you know you don't have freedom of speech. You know they'll couch it in such a way and trip me up in technicalities or say that I've offended some anonymous accounts. You know, and that's why they're doing it, and and they value diversity and because they value diversity, they can't have me speaking out, because that's wrong and it's like that. You know you just contradicted yourself. You know diversity is diversity of thought. You know you can't have everyone just agreeing on the same thing. I stand by Ukraine or I support transgender ideology. Maybe I want to question it and maybe I don't agree with it. Why can't you respect my diversity of thought? But then apparently that's hateful comments and I'm just. You know, it's just all hypocritical, it's just this weird inverted world we live in and censorship is rife, thought crime is real and the uniparty system is real. And you know it's not all negative and miserable, because what I'm trying to tell people is look, it's better to know than not know. And when you do know, then you can stay out of the clutches as much as possible of this harmful system. So, for example, being healthy and taking personal responsibility for yourself and not abdicating your health and and you know wellness and that of your family to institutions and individuals who care nothing about you is, is how you stay out of the system and stay free. And that way, you know you fight back, you know you don't play with their rules and their stupid game.

Speaker 2: 53:58

I mean, take, for example, in America, 500,000, half a million Americans go bankrupt every year, mainly due to medical bills, and the vast majority of them actually had health insurance. So it's not like these are bums and these are just. You know they deserve not to get medical care. They don't have any money. No, these are people who are working, who've got jobs, who've got insurance, but you know what? The medical system's a racket and they, you know they drive up the costs and the fees. I mean half a million Americans going bankrupt every year. I mean, if that doesn't make your heart weep, I don't know what does. It's desperately sad.

Speaker 2: 54:32

So, guess what? Don't get sick, don't get medical problems, don't get cancer. And they want to tell you that it's all in your genes and you can't avoid it. No, it's a lie. Cancer rates have gone from 1 in 5 to 1 in 2, almost in 20 years. Something's driving it and, like I said, it's the chemicals. It. And, like I said, it's the chemicals, it's the toxins, it's our lifestyle, it's our diet, it's the stress, it's the radiation, emf, whatever. So you know, stop playing their stupid game and get fit and healthy. I mean, there will be some things that will happen. You might, you know, break a bone, you might have a traumatic injury, car crash. Obviously that needs, you know, care. But what I'm trying to say is 95% of disease and illnesses can be prevented.

Speaker 1: 55:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:16

So you know, don't take their shot next time they offer it. If they say it's mandated, say no. If it means you lose your job and you have to find a new job, do it. You know, don't. Don't. Because now everyone I know is getting sick. One of my cousins came over from LA there's a wedding here and they all took the shots and and you know she was saying to me you know, I'm 44, I feel really sick and old. Everyone that I know who had the shots is unwell now. They've all got autoimmune problems and she goes. You know, we just, everyone just accepts it as normal, it's just normalized, um, and she was like how you, you guys look great, you and your wife looks so healthy. You know, what are you guys doing? Please tell me. I want to get healthy. I just, every day I just feel the decline and it's accelerating yeah sad man it is.

Speaker 1: 56:06

I'm actually going to share a paper with you that brings to mind, uh, a paper that I've been working through on prion-like disease caused by the spike protein encapsulated in a lipid nanoparticle crossing the blood-brain barrier. I think you'll find that interesting. I'll send that to you. One of the things that sticks out to me from what you were saying is there is this hyper focus on what is externally diverse in order to slip in an internally aligned narrative. You focus on the external so you get the and I don't anybody who wants to dye their hair whatever color that's fine, or pierce whatever they want to pierce, or get as many tattoos as they want or whatever.

Speaker 1: 57:03

But when you're focused so much on the external things, or who you have sex with or what, you don't touch the core principles of what your ethical framework is. That is a non-negotiable with this ideology, that's pervasive. Yeah, but as long as you have all the focus on the external, you don't have to focus on the internal. And I hear you saying that what's internally is what's important and then, once you have that sorted, then you're able to interact with people in a healthier way rather than being so hyper-focused on the external. You smashed it, you smashed it.

Speaker 2: 57:54

You smashed it 100%, dude, you know, for my sins. My wife suggested last night, you know, oh, should we just watch a little bit of TV? I was like, all right, sure, and we've just finished watching Yellowstone, absolutely loved it. She went, oh, look, there's some Star Trek thing, and you know Discovery, star Trek, and you know I used to watch Star Trek as a kid and I was like, yeah, sure, let's put it on, dude, you know, I was so upset with the first this episode that I watched.

Speaker 2: 58:20

So you know it was all tokenism, it's all identity politics and it's just nonsense. So you know all the lead characters. The heroes are female. So you know the captain, the, you know all of them. The navigator, the, the weapons of the person, the engineer, um, they're all brown, yellow, black, you know whatever um, there's. You know the. There's one or two white females, um, and there's no white men. There's, you know, chinese men. Black man is the lead character. There's one white guy who's gay, there's a couple of like non-binary type characters.

Speaker 2: 59:04

And what I'm trying to say is like, I'm not racist, dude, I'm brown, right, my parents are from the Indian subcontinent. I was born in Scotland. I grew up in the 80s where I had a lot of, you know, experience of racism. You know you're packy, you're nigger, whatever it was, it's fine, I don't care, you know it toughens you up. But the vast majority of my interactions with people were wonderful and most people were great. But you know, I had my fair share of name calling and this and that. And you know I used to watch Star Trek back in the day and I'd be like man. I wish I could just be like Jim or Billy or Bob or Andy. Why do I have to be called Ahmed Malik? Why am I different? But you know what? Now I feel sorry for the straight white kid. You know, now it's like they're on the receiving end. The pendulum has gone all the way around to the other end, and then so this Star Trek was complete nonsense. It was basically United Colors of Benetton, except straight white guys. You know you can't have that. You can't have a strong male role model.

Speaker 2: 59:56

No, it's all about women and you know, pushing this narrative and agenda and I think it's kind of dangerous and it's actually racist, because what you're saying is, you know, we just want people of colour. We don't really care what your merit is. You don't care that you're, you know, good enough to stand on your own, and you know. And? And it's racist because you know we, all we're doing is looking at your color. You're superficial, you know. If you really don't want to be racist, you don't see color. You don't see color, you just. You just see people good people, bad people, clever people, smart people, innovative people, that's it. It, the color of their skin is meaningless to you. But these people are hyper focused on color and identity and that to me means that they're racist. That means to me they're not right.

Speaker 2: 1:00:43

And then you know, if I was a straight white kid, I would be really angry and upset. Like where the hell are we? Like what the hell? You know? And if you look at America and Britain, i'm'm sure still, you know 70, 80 percent of the population is white. You know. That means like 40 of that is.

Speaker 2: 1:00:56

You know, white guys, most of whom are straight. You know where are they now? On tv, you hardly ever see them. All the ads and promos. It's always a mixed couple or this.

Speaker 2: 1:01:05

And that I mean look like I said, I'm a brown guy and I find this weird. You know, this isn't right't right. And I think what would this do? It would foster hatred in white guys towards people like me. They'd be like oh, that would be the natural outcome.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

I mean, it's fundamentally wrong what we're doing. It's all about superficial identity. It's not about meritocracy. It's not about an individual's character or morals and ethics and their values. It's all about just identity. And this is so dangerous. But it's by design, it's deliberate, it's to weaken the men in the West so that they can't protect their families, they can't resist the state, they are nothing, they're emasculated. It's just desperately, desperately sad.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

And and you know, what I would say is you know, that's why I'm a keen advocate for strong men. You know, strong men are more immune to evil. Weak men tend to be cruel and evil and nowadays we're surrounded by weak men. And and then we really need strong men back in this world. And I'll tell you one thing even the feminists they might, you know, I believe women should have rights and and equal opportunities, but there are differences between men and women and we should celebrate them rather than say they don't exist and they're all just social constructs, because that's bullshit. There are biological differences and we need to celebrate them. And if you really love women and if you really love men, you celebrate the differences that each bring and to the table. And you know, I, I, I cannot find any women out there who say she wants to be with a weak man.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

You know none you know, that's not a sexy attribute to have, no, but that's where we are nowadays, mate, so it's kind of sad.

Speaker 1: 1:02:58

We need to fight and push back against all this nonsense well, I can say that I'm glad that you're your own unique, strong, beautiful self and I appreciate you. And I'm going to flip the script on you a little bit and I'm going to say you've lived a long and fruitful life and you're lying in bed in your families around you. What advice do you give them?

Speaker 2: 1:03:25

I think, oh god, there's so many and on one day it's different. But I would just say, you know that quote by that one of the founding fathers of america I forgot his name, I don't know if it's thomas jefferson or not but you know, like, don't trade temporary, short-term convenience for your liberty. Don't trade your liberty for short-term convenience, because then you deserve neither liberty or convenience and freedom. You know, just don't, don't fall for the trap that you know what, oh, today, it's not me, it's someone else. I don't need to worry, I don't worry what happens to them. I don't need to stand up and say anything, it's not my problem, just keep my head down, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

No, we all, we all actually have the power, but because we're so fragmented, because we're so scared and to do the right thing, and we're worried about being cancelled and losing our jobs or whatever it might be, we just stay quiet. So a small minority are able to rule us and divide us and imprison us. We all need to take response, responsibility and say and we're more powerful than we think we are, and so stay united, don't fall for the fear and the division and the hatred and the othering. You know, oh, those unvaccinated, oh, those Palestinians, those funny Muslims. We don't know who they are. They look different from us. They've got funny names, funny skin colors.

Speaker 2: 1:04:59

Do you know what? I've traveled all around the world. You meet people and I'm telling you right now the vast majority we're all the same. We're all the same. We all want the same things we want to be loved. We want to love back. We want to take care of our families, play with our kids, see them grow, grow up, be secure, have good jobs, marry nice people, have purpose in our lives, have a roof over our head, have a nice meal in our belly. That's what we all want, and it doesn't matter which country you go to.

Speaker 2: 1:05:25

I mean, one of my friends is an American. He's just come back from Iran. He was shocked. He's like dude, they're just like us. They're so cool, they've got malls, they love their food, they love their families, they're so hospitable. They're joking around. I thought Iranians were all psychopaths, fundamentalists. It's just the government. And they hate their government just like we hate our government. I'm like, yeah, we're all the same. The enemy is not your fellow man or woman, the enemy is the government. Anyway, I think that's a very long answer. I think I said a lot of things there, but that's it, buddy.

Speaker 1: 1:05:58

Well, thank you. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for coming on the show. I am quite honored that you were willing to do that and I hope that we're in touch and I really look forward to talking to you again. Please reach out.

Speaker 2: 1:06:15

Yeah, well, dude, I love you, so thank you for getting up so early in the morning. It's really early five o'clock where you are, so everybody needs to know that I mean, you're a man who's dedicated. You fit me in and then woke up early. You got your own shift to go to now, so I really appreciate it, but you're booked in in september, so thank you for gracing me with your you know your presence on my show.

Speaker 1: 1:06:36

I'm really looking forward to it, buddy how unfortunate is it that we see so many people avoiding difficult topics and choosing to allow the various agendas and narratives to extinguish all debate. Whether or not we agree with someone, we should be confident enough in our positions to withstand some scrutiny and humble enough to recognize our own ignorance to hear someone out. I remember my first philosophy professor giving us the assignment to pick a topic that we felt deeply passionate about and then having us argue against our own position as effectively as we were able. Ahmed's kindness, perspective and humility are evident in his interviews. His passion and integrity are evident in his actions.

Speaker 1: 1:07:21

I can't imagine what it took to walk away from a career in surgery. I remember the pressure I faced when I almost lost my ability to work as a nurse after refusing to accept the vaccine into my life. I admire Ahmed's courage and backbone. He's willing to challenge loudest shouts while listening to the softest whispers. I end with this quote by Winston Churchill Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. For all you listening, you are valued, you are loved and you are worthy. God bless and good night. Guitar solo. I'm startled by my lack of fear, as the world I love turns to ashes here, and the dancing flames are so alive.